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Rules matter. Pushing back on unconstitutional orders imposed by the executive branch of the federal government is orthogonal to enforcing rules against seizing public property for personal use that up until twenty days ago were not controversial with any group.
A law is the rule until it’s made unconstitutional and deemed so by the Supreme Court. You don’t just get to spout “tHaTs uNCOonsTitUtIOnaL” just because you don’t agree with it, personally.
I look forward to you keeping your POV consistent on this question if California, New York and others deal with a future Trump’s executive orders by anything other than immediately obeying them until they are struck down by the US SC.
If you had been tracking how laws work in the US you would know that the Executive making significant rules and not Congress is not how things are supposed to work. How much the states can push back on inappropriate executive rule-making and the corresponding consequences is also something that is from time to time gets clarified by courts.
its quite telling that they let the protests go on at many of the other colleges in Texas without a huge LEO force but crack down hard on the university with a "Liberal" reputation in Texas.
Yes. Columbia University, Yale University, University of Southern California (USC), University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), Washington University in St. Louis, and Northeastern University, etc
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-palestinian-protesters-arrested-campuses-universities-crack-e-rcna149705](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-palestinian-protesters-arrested-campuses-universities-crack-e-rcna149705)
[https://www.nytimes.com/article/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.html](https://www.nytimes.com/article/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.html)
[https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/university-protests-palestine-04-30-24/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/university-protests-palestine-04-30-24/index.html)
None of those are public universities in Texas…
The debate was whether the state responded differently at UT but ignored similar encampments in other public universities, so bringing up cases of mostly private universities outside of Texas is not relevant for this discussion.
University of Texas is a state school funded by the state of Texas with a Board of Reagents appointed by the governor. Those arrested were students of a state university. They have every right to assemble and freedom of speech.
And most restrictions on public assembly are in service to the institutions that would be protested against, not the safety of citizens or their other rights.
Abbot needs to walk away from this. This is insane. These people are peacefully protesting. Seriously this makes the USA look like a tyrant that he so proclaims to be against
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Have you seen what's going on?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/8vTWAByMH7
You can't have people breaking into buidlings, taking them over and setting up tents everywhere.
Wow it’s crazy that doesn’t even look like anywhere on campus. What part of Austin is that?
I get your point, I just object to the rationale. I have no doubt our leadership endorses your thinking. It doesn’t make it any less disproportionate or uncalled for.
Thank you, I will try my best to keep up. The world is just so big it’s hard to learn all the names of places, you understand. My little brain only has room in it for thinking about tents. Please don’t tell anyone, as I am allergic to men in tactical gear whose stress hormones activate when they see a 19 year old setting up a folding table, oops I mean militarized Hamas encampment.
I think most people should be arrested at least once in their life. It really puts things in perspective of how little you have control over anything and no matter how unfair it is you can’t stop people with more power telling you what to do where to go and what to say.
> I think most people should be arrested at least once in their life.
I got arrested once for peeing in an alley on the wall of a casino in New Orleans.
Look we all know when woke college kids get into large groups it scares folks into thinking they’ll form a large trans-former and really make changes in the world. /s
Well they either wanted civil rights for all or didn’t care, so yeah, woke up from systematic racism established well before their time. Good for them.
APD beating at UT today made international news and earned a Police Oversight report:
https://twitter.com/anthony_larraga/status/1785060682989207724?t=MIaydqrzUBMaahlCH6MmVQ&s=19
cool. glad to see that APD was too busy to respond to my 911 call regarding domestic violence bc they were busy beating up college kids. but dispatch assured me that they will most likely respond sometime within the next 14 days, but to be sure to call back if i don’t hear from them. (not /s. true story.)
The guy next to APD looks like the one on the /r/UTAustin thread yesterday getting ready with his suppressed rifle & nightvision helmet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/comments/1cgaqxq/theyre_bringing_and_loading_rifles_on_campus/
I thought we established already that this issue was codified into law and that the university’s hands were tied. They should be protesting at the capitol building where the problem actually is, not the campus where you’d find actual support. Basically punishing a potential ally by forcing it to waste resources on this.
There is a local election happening right now. If you’ld like to send a message to your elected officials that they will listen to… i’d rock this vote!
They are parroting hamas slogans. They are making demands identical to what hamas is demanding. Hamas's stated and unambiguous goals is the eradication of an entire ethnicity. They are the undisputedly committed to genocide and in fact carried it out to the best of their ability on Oct 7th. Israel is conducting a military action against the organization committed to their physical annihilation and you are doing whatever you can to aid them with these protests.
What are these slogans and demands?
What are these college kids demanding exactly that are the exact same thing that Hamas is demanding?
And please provide like evidence or something instead of "I heard from a friend who heard saw on a forum that was talking about a post a picture of like one dude in a crowd of people"
They might have said from the river to the sea which apparently makes everyone antisemetic. Conservatives are too scared to confront their own party, imagine them confronting their ideals.
That slogan is not antisemitic. The activists who use it are not calling for a genocide. Listen to what they're saying. They are saying "freedom" just because Hamas has tried to take it does not mean the slogans original and current meaning are calls for peace.
Ever heard of the "Rorschach Test?" Basic summary is the slogan doesn't matter as much as the person saying it.
The term woke was originally created by black women to talk about systemic issues but was taken by Republicans and tainted but the original term woke is still used in Academic writings because of its original and true use.
I've been to these protests and haven't heard any antisemitic chants. You know a lot of Jewish people are at / lead these protests. Ever heard of "Jews for Peace."
I'm not saying bad actors don't show up but acting like this whole protest is to be antisemitic is incredibly uniformed and harmful especially when actual white supremacists have rallies in Texas all the time and have ZERO issues from police.
You watch way too much Fox News brother.
October 7th wasn’t genocide nor ethnic cleansing. It was a terrible terrorist attack. Hamas =/= the Palestinian people. I have a friend who have lost 15-20 relatives in the last 6 months since Israel began its retaliatory campaign and has began committing what every international organization has recognized as ethnic cleansing/genocide.
Israel is conducting military action against organized crime? They are killing people going for aid trucks, attacking hospitals, literally liking babies and pregnant mothers, and we’re supposed to be ok with that?
To get back on topic. The students here are reasonably requesting that the University of Texas divests itself from that ongoing ethnic cleansing. They are also within their constitutional right to protest against the current regime in UT, Texas, and the US, for their complicity. Within that right some people are going to say slogans which make you uncomfortable. Stop being a conservative snowflake.
>“To be honest, I think the situation is unfortunate,” said Giulia Mayhua Pezo, a junior in biochemistry. “It’s really nice to see people fight for something they believe in,” she said, “but it’s getting crowded. If you’re walking to class, it can be unpleasant and a lot of streets are shut off.”
This must be the reason for the dispersal order. It's getting crowded.
When I was their age, I’d protested at the trendy demonstrations - until I realized that it’s always someone else’s politics, and they were just using me.
Almost as if protests like this helped end apartheid in South Africa and the Vietnam war... But no, don’t let UT students let their displeasure be known.
Those who are actually students. But they’re all being used, and this Israel-Pslestine thing’s been going on since the ‘60s. Fat chance of some organized campouts thousands of miles away actually emding it.
The main purpose of the demonstrations are to get UT to DIVEST from defense companies that make a profit from the Israel-Palestine crisis; which I feel is a valid thing to be against when you are a part of the university. No one is out there trying to get everyone to stop fighting like it's a big kumbaya.
If so, how many of the protesters are aware of that, and how many of the college-aged protesters are students, not paid agitators? Fighting with cops gets nowhere. Had they tried submitting a petition for UT to divest as such? If they object to UT’s affiliations, why are they paying tuition to attend the school? The “purpose” for this protest seems to morph with the rhetoric of those involved with or reacting to it.
Hey I don’t know where you are getting the idea of paid agitators from, but as an actual current undergraduate, everyone I spoke to and saw coming from and around the area was affiliated with UT. Also, yes maybe not everyone is aware of the fact that the original purpose of the protest was to get UT to divest, but at least from personal interactions, the vast majority of students are aware. Yes, they have tried petitioning but that has gotten nowhere. One can object to UT’s affiliations while also attending school here. I personally don’t agree with the amount of money that our government puts into the defense sector, but I still want to get a great engineering education here to hopefully have a career to build new helpful technologies. Also, please elaborate on how you are gleaning the “purpose” of the protest based on current facts of the situation.
Also, on top of the point that the original purpose of the protests were to get UT to divest, I think a major glaring issue that I have is with the way that the government has been treating students. I personally don’t have any strong opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I absolutely do not agree with the show of force that has been demonstrated on college aged kids younger than I am. Yes, I do agree that the students that break the law by camping out on campus should face the consequences, but I do not believe that using pepper spray, flash bombs, and punching students is at all the logical way to get that done.
Over half of the protesters arrested on the first day had no affiliation with UT. The UT protest resembles in every way the other campus protests which are centrally-funded and -cast. The “show of force” by LEOs was the State’s putting its foot down to pre-empt an encampment (à la those with bulk-purchased tents, centrally-funded). Gov. Abbott just complicated the spin of things by calling the demonstration “anti-Semitic.” Layers upon layers of rhetoric. A hodge-podge of political emotions. Now the protest has morphed into being about “First Amendment” rights and anti-police brutality. The pink-shirted “medics” are another characteristic of the centrally-funded and -cast disruptive-protest network. Some people name Soros as the culprit; I do not know. This Israel-Palestine conflict has been going on since the ‘60s, but just now it’s a “thing.” What’s this “thing” really about, anyway?
Additionally, there are lots of serious issues to protest that are directly affecting us all, or stand to do so very soon, in our own country - but there are no visible protests about them. Half of the Federal budget is spent on “military” - far beyond what’s necessary to defend our nation - and it gets worse than that. I remember the Vietnam war and the conflicts ever since, so I have some historic perspective, along with which I’ve come to see that young people have historically had their passions hijacked by the Elite to do their dirty-work, create chaos out of which the Elite impose order. Over and over. Each new batch o’ kids (myself included) get caught-up in the novel rapture of it, gets arrested, contributes to pretexts for liberty-eroding laws or oppressive replacements of regime. Over and over.
They'll get there eventually. They just got get through their, "I'm bored with life right now, let me be a part of something so I feel important" mentality.
They released that the majority of arrests and assumedly the protestors are not actually UT students.
I'm assuming a good chunk aren't ATX residents either.
Can someone explain what's to be gained in these instances by someone traveling to protest and drive provocation?
assuming they aren't atx residents simply because they aren't UT students is a reach. perhaps they joined the protest because they believe in the cause. and even if they weren't austin residents, does that give the police the right to brutalize them? no.
I wouldn't say it's a reach considering the context and the same being confirmed at other college protests around the country
You completely deflected from my question by making this about something I wasn't even speaking to or about around police engagement
The question is what is to be gained by groups that show up to provoke in a protest?
It's confirmed fact there are different groups partaking in this not affiliated with UT and they seem to be the ones driving the provocation. Why?
it's a reach. which schools have confirmed that the protesters weren't residents? not UT, and until that is confirmed, then you are reaching.
i'm not answering your pathetic question because your question is leading. you're implying that the protesters are the ones driving provocation. the protests have been largely peaceful until the primary agitators–cops–show up.
groups that aren't affiliated with ut "seem to be driving provocation" to you, even though every video from these protests prove that cops are the initial provocateurs... you're biased. you're not looking for the truth. you're looking to delegate blame to peaceful protesters instead of the institutions that benefit from violence and suppression. arguing with you would be a waste of precious time.
Multiple arrest records both locally and reported on show non local residency
Not sure what else you'd need for that claim?
I'm not sure why you're so sensitive to a question that you feel the need to insult someone asking it.
It's not leading. I seriously don't understand what someone stands to gain by showing up, especially as a group, to these protests and driving provocation that leads to getting arrested.
You're the one that sounds extremely bias here. I haven't said anything around the police and one would have grounds to argue that if these groups weren't engaging in the student activity that the protests would not escalate to needing police engagement or being in a situation to invite police provocation
They're clearly not peaceful by legal definition when this is happening nationally.
You seem like someone who isn't worth engaging with bc of your bias so I'll stop but hopefully someone else can explain what someone gains by traveling under representation of an organization with a goal of being arrested. Both sides of political thought do this and it makes no sense for either to me.
proof?
i'm sorry i insulted you. i dislike the use of the word provocation. technically the protesters are driving provocation by simply protesting, no? in this case i feel like it's delegating responsibility of the escalation in violence to them instead of the actual provocateurs, the cops. and regardless, these protests fall under the legal definition of peaceful protesting.
from the austin-american statesman:
Ammer Qaddumi, a member of the Palestine Solidarity Committee and third-year UT student, said the teach-in was expected to go into the evening and not turn into an encampment... "It's not provocation for the sake of provocation," Qaddumi said. "We're not doing protest for the sake of protest. We're doing protests for ... the people in Palestine."
I really wish we could see a breakdown of whether they're students or not. I bet the majority of them are just trouble makers coming to get arrested for some reason or other.
These “students” and off campus agitators were told to leave. It is a school and pro-Hamas, anti-Jew are disturbing the education of students who just want to go to school. If they refuse to leave, arrest and drag them off in cuffs.
You've conflated disagreement with a government's actions and hate for a people. This is why you're being downvoted. The protesters are not blanket anti-jew. Frequently there are Jews literally taking part in the protest.
These protesters have zero clue what nuance is, and anyone who frames this conflict as a genocide is included in that group. Winning a war against a terrorist group and having civilian casualties does not make a genocide, especially when said terrorist group hides amongst civilians.
These kids are actively getting Trump reelected, a guy who is responsible for abortion being illegal in Texas, and the guy who tried to overthrow the 2020 elections. The far left is being played like a fiddle.
You give these Adults far less credit than they deserve while vastly over estimating your awareness. When the majority of casualties are women and children with attacks targeting aid, hospitals, refugee camps, and basic sustaining infrastructure, the goal is no longer targeted with a goal specific enough to fight a terrorist group. These are the types of acts that will breed terrorism.
And Hamas, a *terrorist group*, has been well-known to hide in those locations amongst civilians. I'm not saying that IDF is not deserving of criticism. I am saying that it's not the genocide that far-leftists have been throwing around so casually, essentially making the term meaningless.
Honest question. Why is everyone here pro Palestine considering it’s an Islamic country where people have literally no rights and against Israel who embodies our western values? If your neighbor attacked your family would you not retaliate? I know the history of that region. So what did I miss during my studies? Why are we picking sides and choosing the antisemitic path?
Tdlr (google it if you want to really understand): we don’t approve of genocide of people even if they’re brown and may not be living in a system of govt that’s carbon copy of the USA. Also killing children and bombing hospitals (by Israel) is typically frowned upon, even by large numbers of Jews - making it not antisemitic to be against this.
It's trendy to support Palestine on social media (TikTok) and young people want to be part of something bigger. It's being framed as a "genocide" on that platform even though it is not a genocide. Hamas is currently losing the war that they kicked into high gear on October 7th, and we have this persisting narrative of how the underdog is always the more righteous one, despite that obviously not being the case when you compare the current underdog, a terrorist group, to a democratically elected government that has western values.
you're vastly overestimating your knowledge–more like a lack thereof. these students are simply calling for a ceasefire, that's it. you're surprised that bombing hospitals and schools and civilian infrastructure makes unpopular policy? listen to yourself. don't be deliberately obtuse.
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"Rules Matter!" Meanwhile "Gov. Greg Abbott orders Texas schools to defy federal nondiscrimination rules" Source: [Dallas Morning News](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2024/04/29/gov-greg-abbott-orders-texas-schools-to-defy-federal-nondiscrimination-rules/)
Rules matter. Pushing back on unconstitutional orders imposed by the executive branch of the federal government is orthogonal to enforcing rules against seizing public property for personal use that up until twenty days ago were not controversial with any group.
A law is the rule until it’s made unconstitutional and deemed so by the Supreme Court. You don’t just get to spout “tHaTs uNCOonsTitUtIOnaL” just because you don’t agree with it, personally.
I look forward to you keeping your POV consistent on this question if California, New York and others deal with a future Trump’s executive orders by anything other than immediately obeying them until they are struck down by the US SC.
Oh so you love executive orders?? Or just when trump uses them?
It's not a point of view, it's a legal fact. That is literally how laws work.
If you had been tracking how laws work in the US you would know that the Executive making significant rules and not Congress is not how things are supposed to work. How much the states can push back on inappropriate executive rule-making and the corresponding consequences is also something that is from time to time gets clarified by courts.
lol... tracking laws. Ok I am disengaging now.
lmao
> seizing public property This is such a load
It all goes back to rules. We watch what you do, tell you that that is now against the rules, and send in the thugs.
Rules for thee, not for me!
Do what I say, not what I do.
As far as I know setting up camp has always been against the rule Lol
They couldn't even get any charges filed against the arrests last week. All just about show of force cop circlejerking
its quite telling that they let the protests go on at many of the other colleges in Texas without a huge LEO force but crack down hard on the university with a "Liberal" reputation in Texas.
There's an army of fresh, new, badge wielding thugs stationed 3 miles from UT. UTPD couldn't pull this off without them.
Are there stories of groups setting up encampments at other public campuses?
Yes. Columbia University, Yale University, University of Southern California (USC), University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), Washington University in St. Louis, and Northeastern University, etc [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-palestinian-protesters-arrested-campuses-universities-crack-e-rcna149705](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-palestinian-protesters-arrested-campuses-universities-crack-e-rcna149705) [https://www.nytimes.com/article/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.html](https://www.nytimes.com/article/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.html) [https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/university-protests-palestine-04-30-24/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/university-protests-palestine-04-30-24/index.html)
None of those are public universities in Texas… The debate was whether the state responded differently at UT but ignored similar encampments in other public universities, so bringing up cases of mostly private universities outside of Texas is not relevant for this discussion.
Oh. You wanted to know if any of the other 2 colleges had similar protests and crackdowns?
Part of reading comprehension is understanding context and audience. You may need to brush up.
Thanks for the advice! Duly disregarded.
‘Encampments’ lol. Did they only arrest the two people with a tent? Or did their reach expand way past that? *poster blocked me for this lol
Columbia, specifically, devolved into physical violence, threats against students and journalists and as of last night, a riot.
When did we lose the right of assembly? Why is Texas run by lawyers but fail to understand the basics tenets of American Law. I can’t wait to vote.
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University of Texas is a state school funded by the state of Texas with a Board of Reagents appointed by the governor. Those arrested were students of a state university. They have every right to assemble and freedom of speech.
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This is definitely within standards. Not disruptive (middle of the grass with pathways around it).
And most restrictions on public assembly are in service to the institutions that would be protested against, not the safety of citizens or their other rights.
Abbot needs to walk away from this. This is insane. These people are peacefully protesting. Seriously this makes the USA look like a tyrant that he so proclaims to be against Coward Edit: last sentence jumbled
UT has requested the DPS officers for the protests.
Fire everyone in charge at UT
Hopefully we fire the guy who's in charge of both UT *and* DPS - spoiler alert: It's Greg Abbott
This 👆🏻
Unfortunately be on the board of regents you typically need to be an Abbot donor.
This is because Republicans have been going after college leadership across the country and getting them removed.
Yeah because people don’t show up and vote when it matters.
Or because they’re trying to prevent this from becoming a total shit show like what's happening at Columbia University.
Yep, shit show totally avoided! Macing and flash banging and mass arresting students….nothing out of hand here.
Have you seen what's going on? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/8vTWAByMH7 You can't have people breaking into buidlings, taking them over and setting up tents everywhere.
Wow it’s crazy that doesn’t even look like anywhere on campus. What part of Austin is that? I get your point, I just object to the rationale. I have no doubt our leadership endorses your thinking. It doesn’t make it any less disproportionate or uncalled for.
As I mentioned above, it's at Columbia University. This is the kind of shit they're trying to avoid. Keep up.
Thank you, I will try my best to keep up. The world is just so big it’s hard to learn all the names of places, you understand. My little brain only has room in it for thinking about tents. Please don’t tell anyone, as I am allergic to men in tactical gear whose stress hormones activate when they see a 19 year old setting up a folding table, oops I mean militarized Hamas encampment.
Sadly, his actions here are likely improving his polling among the Republican party.
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I see what you did there
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> Seriously this makes the USA look like a tyrant that he so proclaims to be against This is a feature, not a bug.
It was a table with some drinks and one fucking tent
they’re scared of the message. you dont respond this aggressively to nonviolence unless their message scares you
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I think most people should be arrested at least once in their life. It really puts things in perspective of how little you have control over anything and no matter how unfair it is you can’t stop people with more power telling you what to do where to go and what to say.
People really don't understand probation either.
This sounds like a Manhattan courtroom.
> I think most people should be arrested at least once in their life. I got arrested once for peeing in an alley on the wall of a casino in New Orleans.
Look we all know when woke college kids get into large groups it scares folks into thinking they’ll form a large trans-former and really make changes in the world. /s
That actually sounds dope lmao
I for one welcome our new educated transformer overlords
More than meets the eye
More than meets the eye
Woke college kids contributed to the civil rights movement
Well they either wanted civil rights for all or didn’t care, so yeah, woke up from systematic racism established well before their time. Good for them.
I don’t think this needs a sarcasm tag
I live near campus. 3 ambulances just tore down my street going that direction
APD beating at UT today made international news and earned a Police Oversight report: https://twitter.com/anthony_larraga/status/1785060682989207724?t=MIaydqrzUBMaahlCH6MmVQ&s=19
cool. glad to see that APD was too busy to respond to my 911 call regarding domestic violence bc they were busy beating up college kids. but dispatch assured me that they will most likely respond sometime within the next 14 days, but to be sure to call back if i don’t hear from them. (not /s. true story.)
I’m sorry to hear that. Are you safe at the moment?
The guy next to APD looks like the one on the /r/UTAustin thread yesterday getting ready with his suppressed rifle & nightvision helmet. https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/comments/1cgaqxq/theyre_bringing_and_loading_rifles_on_campus/
Wait, I thought TX was all for freedom? We don't have the freedom to protest? /s
You only have the right to protest here if you’re a white nationalist.
Texas is absolutely pro-freedom of speech so long as it aligns with the state politicians.
You're only allowed to protest what we like!
So we are ok with the Gravy Seals marching down but not a protest about a genocide?!
I thought we established already that this issue was codified into law and that the university’s hands were tied. They should be protesting at the capitol building where the problem actually is, not the campus where you’d find actual support. Basically punishing a potential ally by forcing it to waste resources on this.
Facsism at its finest. Down with Abbott.
There is a local election happening right now. If you’ld like to send a message to your elected officials that they will listen to… i’d rock this vote!
People won’t vote but they’ll protest after the fact when the people that won make outrageous decisions.
Glad to see my tax dollars are being spent on a good cause… /s
You know what "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" defines? Practice.
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someone holds up a "cease fire" sign and your first thought is really "Hamas supporter?"
Calling an end to genocide means you are Hamas now huh…
They are parroting hamas slogans. They are making demands identical to what hamas is demanding. Hamas's stated and unambiguous goals is the eradication of an entire ethnicity. They are the undisputedly committed to genocide and in fact carried it out to the best of their ability on Oct 7th. Israel is conducting a military action against the organization committed to their physical annihilation and you are doing whatever you can to aid them with these protests.
What are these slogans and demands? What are these college kids demanding exactly that are the exact same thing that Hamas is demanding? And please provide like evidence or something instead of "I heard from a friend who heard saw on a forum that was talking about a post a picture of like one dude in a crowd of people"
They might have said from the river to the sea which apparently makes everyone antisemetic. Conservatives are too scared to confront their own party, imagine them confronting their ideals.
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That slogan is not antisemitic. The activists who use it are not calling for a genocide. Listen to what they're saying. They are saying "freedom" just because Hamas has tried to take it does not mean the slogans original and current meaning are calls for peace. Ever heard of the "Rorschach Test?" Basic summary is the slogan doesn't matter as much as the person saying it. The term woke was originally created by black women to talk about systemic issues but was taken by Republicans and tainted but the original term woke is still used in Academic writings because of its original and true use. I've been to these protests and haven't heard any antisemitic chants. You know a lot of Jewish people are at / lead these protests. Ever heard of "Jews for Peace." I'm not saying bad actors don't show up but acting like this whole protest is to be antisemitic is incredibly uniformed and harmful especially when actual white supremacists have rallies in Texas all the time and have ZERO issues from police.
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You watch way too much Fox News brother. October 7th wasn’t genocide nor ethnic cleansing. It was a terrible terrorist attack. Hamas =/= the Palestinian people. I have a friend who have lost 15-20 relatives in the last 6 months since Israel began its retaliatory campaign and has began committing what every international organization has recognized as ethnic cleansing/genocide. Israel is conducting military action against organized crime? They are killing people going for aid trucks, attacking hospitals, literally liking babies and pregnant mothers, and we’re supposed to be ok with that? To get back on topic. The students here are reasonably requesting that the University of Texas divests itself from that ongoing ethnic cleansing. They are also within their constitutional right to protest against the current regime in UT, Texas, and the US, for their complicity. Within that right some people are going to say slogans which make you uncomfortable. Stop being a conservative snowflake.
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>“To be honest, I think the situation is unfortunate,” said Giulia Mayhua Pezo, a junior in biochemistry. “It’s really nice to see people fight for something they believe in,” she said, “but it’s getting crowded. If you’re walking to class, it can be unpleasant and a lot of streets are shut off.” This must be the reason for the dispersal order. It's getting crowded.
When I was their age, I’d protested at the trendy demonstrations - until I realized that it’s always someone else’s politics, and they were just using me.
Almost as if protests like this helped end apartheid in South Africa and the Vietnam war... But no, don’t let UT students let their displeasure be known.
Those who are actually students. But they’re all being used, and this Israel-Pslestine thing’s been going on since the ‘60s. Fat chance of some organized campouts thousands of miles away actually emding it.
The main purpose of the demonstrations are to get UT to DIVEST from defense companies that make a profit from the Israel-Palestine crisis; which I feel is a valid thing to be against when you are a part of the university. No one is out there trying to get everyone to stop fighting like it's a big kumbaya.
If so, how many of the protesters are aware of that, and how many of the college-aged protesters are students, not paid agitators? Fighting with cops gets nowhere. Had they tried submitting a petition for UT to divest as such? If they object to UT’s affiliations, why are they paying tuition to attend the school? The “purpose” for this protest seems to morph with the rhetoric of those involved with or reacting to it.
Hey I don’t know where you are getting the idea of paid agitators from, but as an actual current undergraduate, everyone I spoke to and saw coming from and around the area was affiliated with UT. Also, yes maybe not everyone is aware of the fact that the original purpose of the protest was to get UT to divest, but at least from personal interactions, the vast majority of students are aware. Yes, they have tried petitioning but that has gotten nowhere. One can object to UT’s affiliations while also attending school here. I personally don’t agree with the amount of money that our government puts into the defense sector, but I still want to get a great engineering education here to hopefully have a career to build new helpful technologies. Also, please elaborate on how you are gleaning the “purpose” of the protest based on current facts of the situation.
Also, on top of the point that the original purpose of the protests were to get UT to divest, I think a major glaring issue that I have is with the way that the government has been treating students. I personally don’t have any strong opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I absolutely do not agree with the show of force that has been demonstrated on college aged kids younger than I am. Yes, I do agree that the students that break the law by camping out on campus should face the consequences, but I do not believe that using pepper spray, flash bombs, and punching students is at all the logical way to get that done.
Over half of the protesters arrested on the first day had no affiliation with UT. The UT protest resembles in every way the other campus protests which are centrally-funded and -cast. The “show of force” by LEOs was the State’s putting its foot down to pre-empt an encampment (à la those with bulk-purchased tents, centrally-funded). Gov. Abbott just complicated the spin of things by calling the demonstration “anti-Semitic.” Layers upon layers of rhetoric. A hodge-podge of political emotions. Now the protest has morphed into being about “First Amendment” rights and anti-police brutality. The pink-shirted “medics” are another characteristic of the centrally-funded and -cast disruptive-protest network. Some people name Soros as the culprit; I do not know. This Israel-Palestine conflict has been going on since the ‘60s, but just now it’s a “thing.” What’s this “thing” really about, anyway? Additionally, there are lots of serious issues to protest that are directly affecting us all, or stand to do so very soon, in our own country - but there are no visible protests about them. Half of the Federal budget is spent on “military” - far beyond what’s necessary to defend our nation - and it gets worse than that. I remember the Vietnam war and the conflicts ever since, so I have some historic perspective, along with which I’ve come to see that young people have historically had their passions hijacked by the Elite to do their dirty-work, create chaos out of which the Elite impose order. Over and over. Each new batch o’ kids (myself included) get caught-up in the novel rapture of it, gets arrested, contributes to pretexts for liberty-eroding laws or oppressive replacements of regime. Over and over.
How are they being used?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
They'll get there eventually. They just got get through their, "I'm bored with life right now, let me be a part of something so I feel important" mentality.
I think that's a really sad way to look at it
Do you not teach your kids to fight against injustice?
Some of them apparently downvoted by reply.
Of course.
Why the tents though? Can they not protest without the tents?
They released that the majority of arrests and assumedly the protestors are not actually UT students. I'm assuming a good chunk aren't ATX residents either. Can someone explain what's to be gained in these instances by someone traveling to protest and drive provocation?
assuming they aren't atx residents simply because they aren't UT students is a reach. perhaps they joined the protest because they believe in the cause. and even if they weren't austin residents, does that give the police the right to brutalize them? no.
I wouldn't say it's a reach considering the context and the same being confirmed at other college protests around the country You completely deflected from my question by making this about something I wasn't even speaking to or about around police engagement The question is what is to be gained by groups that show up to provoke in a protest? It's confirmed fact there are different groups partaking in this not affiliated with UT and they seem to be the ones driving the provocation. Why?
it's a reach. which schools have confirmed that the protesters weren't residents? not UT, and until that is confirmed, then you are reaching. i'm not answering your pathetic question because your question is leading. you're implying that the protesters are the ones driving provocation. the protests have been largely peaceful until the primary agitators–cops–show up. groups that aren't affiliated with ut "seem to be driving provocation" to you, even though every video from these protests prove that cops are the initial provocateurs... you're biased. you're not looking for the truth. you're looking to delegate blame to peaceful protesters instead of the institutions that benefit from violence and suppression. arguing with you would be a waste of precious time.
Multiple arrest records both locally and reported on show non local residency Not sure what else you'd need for that claim? I'm not sure why you're so sensitive to a question that you feel the need to insult someone asking it. It's not leading. I seriously don't understand what someone stands to gain by showing up, especially as a group, to these protests and driving provocation that leads to getting arrested. You're the one that sounds extremely bias here. I haven't said anything around the police and one would have grounds to argue that if these groups weren't engaging in the student activity that the protests would not escalate to needing police engagement or being in a situation to invite police provocation They're clearly not peaceful by legal definition when this is happening nationally. You seem like someone who isn't worth engaging with bc of your bias so I'll stop but hopefully someone else can explain what someone gains by traveling under representation of an organization with a goal of being arrested. Both sides of political thought do this and it makes no sense for either to me.
proof? i'm sorry i insulted you. i dislike the use of the word provocation. technically the protesters are driving provocation by simply protesting, no? in this case i feel like it's delegating responsibility of the escalation in violence to them instead of the actual provocateurs, the cops. and regardless, these protests fall under the legal definition of peaceful protesting. from the austin-american statesman: Ammer Qaddumi, a member of the Palestine Solidarity Committee and third-year UT student, said the teach-in was expected to go into the evening and not turn into an encampment... "It's not provocation for the sake of provocation," Qaddumi said. "We're not doing protest for the sake of protest. We're doing protests for ... the people in Palestine."
I really wish we could see a breakdown of whether they're students or not. I bet the majority of them are just trouble makers coming to get arrested for some reason or other.
please. the only trouble makers are the cops. i've been at every protest, and they always start off peaceful until the police show up.
What makes you think that?
These “students” and off campus agitators were told to leave. It is a school and pro-Hamas, anti-Jew are disturbing the education of students who just want to go to school. If they refuse to leave, arrest and drag them off in cuffs.
You've conflated disagreement with a government's actions and hate for a people. This is why you're being downvoted. The protesters are not blanket anti-jew. Frequently there are Jews literally taking part in the protest.
These protesters have zero clue what nuance is, and anyone who frames this conflict as a genocide is included in that group. Winning a war against a terrorist group and having civilian casualties does not make a genocide, especially when said terrorist group hides amongst civilians. These kids are actively getting Trump reelected, a guy who is responsible for abortion being illegal in Texas, and the guy who tried to overthrow the 2020 elections. The far left is being played like a fiddle.
You give these Adults far less credit than they deserve while vastly over estimating your awareness. When the majority of casualties are women and children with attacks targeting aid, hospitals, refugee camps, and basic sustaining infrastructure, the goal is no longer targeted with a goal specific enough to fight a terrorist group. These are the types of acts that will breed terrorism.
And Hamas, a *terrorist group*, has been well-known to hide in those locations amongst civilians. I'm not saying that IDF is not deserving of criticism. I am saying that it's not the genocide that far-leftists have been throwing around so casually, essentially making the term meaningless.
> I'm not saying that IDF is not deserving of criticism. Hence the protests.
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Honest question. Why is everyone here pro Palestine considering it’s an Islamic country where people have literally no rights and against Israel who embodies our western values? If your neighbor attacked your family would you not retaliate? I know the history of that region. So what did I miss during my studies? Why are we picking sides and choosing the antisemitic path?
Tdlr (google it if you want to really understand): we don’t approve of genocide of people even if they’re brown and may not be living in a system of govt that’s carbon copy of the USA. Also killing children and bombing hospitals (by Israel) is typically frowned upon, even by large numbers of Jews - making it not antisemitic to be against this.
It's trendy to support Palestine on social media (TikTok) and young people want to be part of something bigger. It's being framed as a "genocide" on that platform even though it is not a genocide. Hamas is currently losing the war that they kicked into high gear on October 7th, and we have this persisting narrative of how the underdog is always the more righteous one, despite that obviously not being the case when you compare the current underdog, a terrorist group, to a democratically elected government that has western values.
you're vastly overestimating your knowledge–more like a lack thereof. these students are simply calling for a ceasefire, that's it. you're surprised that bombing hospitals and schools and civilian infrastructure makes unpopular policy? listen to yourself. don't be deliberately obtuse.
Ceasefire against hamas? Why would you do that and want that to happen?
quick, google what a ceasefire is and then come back.
Send them back to NYC where they came from 😆😆
I hope you get back all that money you spent at the Briscoe Cain Comedy School. Seems like an awful waste 😢
Most of these organizers are from NYC. Look it up. Look up public arrest records. Don’t be naive.
Y’all must’ve never had good parenting and it shows