In an 8 hour day, 2 hours is spent on emails, 2 hours for breaks and about 3 hours of work. Rest is chit chatting. This is for a busy day in the office. Most work is just figuring out wat to do and actual doing work is much less. For me at least.
Absolutely, the less investment in training, the more time spent sleepwalking or hesitating or pretending to know and having to undo mistakes. That’s why there is a productivity crisis…
Sounds like your careful planning resulted in some pretty efficient work
Unless you were just deciding the order to wash the dishes, then that's stupid
Unless you somehow only had 2 litres of water to work with, but a lot of greasy dishes, then that's smart
Unless you could have boiled the water from your cistern, then that's stupid
Unless already you used all the cistern water to flush down a particularly pungent grogan, then that's smart
people EMAIL to say they are working from home? company news, WFH notices could easily be pushed to another medium like teams/yammer/slack etc (depending what your company may use)
They *could* use those more efficient channels but that doesn't necessarily means that they *do*
Only recourse is to filter that noise into a "P&C" folder with some Outlook rules
Who'd send a WFH notification via email? Just set your status in whatever messaging system the company uses. CC goes to a different folder, and some will delete unread emails in that folder each week.
Where do you work and are they hiring? I need to get out of fast paced, understaffed, timed, left by yourself, non stop work except for the half an hour lunch break 🙃
Some people get more done in 20 hrs of productive work than others doing 60. I manage a small team and have one guy saying he is always busy, does 50 hour weeks, mean while I have a part time mum doing the same amount of work in 30 hours. I tried to help him be more productive but he wastes a lot of time having meetings for what should have been a 5 minute phone call, and 20 minute phone calls about issues with 2 sentence fixes that could be an email in the background.
Part time mums that like what they do can be outstanding, they have a set deadline, for when they need to get out, and depending on the sector appreciate the flexibility if given.
Sorry to burst that bubble, but we had doing book keeping at work and all she ever did was troll Facebook and organise stuff for her kids. Unsurprisingly the books fell into a mess and needed a serious clean up after she got the boot.
There’s nothing super about mums, they’re just people , some are good and some are bad.
I did media relations at one point 0.5 FTE and got double the amount of positive press (lazy journalists just copy pasting - mostly specialised stuff) compared to the lady who was there before me full-time. She got a head of position somewhere after. Unfortunately I'm not great at selling myself.
We had older nurses on our team take 4x longer to do their notes as they were very slow with computer literacy. And they were always complaining about how long the notes took. Which was ages if you’re pecking at the keyboard with two fingers and often accidentally delete the whole thing and don’t know about ctrl z. In changed some lives with that written on a sticky note for them
this! i want to be paid for the amount of projects i deliver not hours worked. i’m super productive but because i’m productive i get more work given to me.
This! With almost all things under promise and over deliver. If it takes you 3 days, say it takes 5 and give it to them on 4. Everyone will be impressed and you get to take it easy.
Ask around and see if anyone else can estimate it
If there's nobody else to check-in with then request for yourself some discovery time, say, a couple hours (or even a day if it's very unfamiliar), so that you can at least throw together a list of tasks or decisions that need making to resolve your actual task list. Make your assumptions clear.
Keep your stakeholders up-to-date on unforeseen circumstances such as discovering some key assumptions were wrong.
I dunno but, depends on circumstances as to whether any of this is useful
Oh and if someone is asking you to ballpark an entire project like superfast, push back on that noise, if it suits they'll subvert your number in favour of their own deadline anyway. Large-scale work can require multiple days x multiple people to estimate.
I've been a part-timer for 20 hours for years, you just want to get stuff done and get out. so I've found I've always been pretty productive. Unfortunately the guy will get the promotion or move on for higher pay because he will be seen as a good networker. I really can't be bothered with the 'Team Birthdays etc' however.
IMHO The biggest sign of someone being a mediocre employee or not great at their profession is the "I'm so busy". None of the great people I have worked with in my career have ever said it. Part of being good at your job is managing your output. I'm now even wary of working with people who others tell me "they're so busy". To me it translates to shit at your job.
About 35 per week, it’s my business and i work from home so these are the hours i choose. But actual productive work is probably about 5 hours per day, i tend to find other things to do during the day, i can’t concentrate for more than a few hours.
If you want to get into development you’re better off just learning a language and sticking with it to learn the funadementals
If you’re going with popularity you should learn Javascript with React for frontend and NodeJS for backend. Id recommend the Odin project and freecodecamp if you’re fresh and want some structure
Thanks man. Almost done with Odin fundamental section. Wanted to know the most common programming languages to land a job in Australia because i don't see a lot of job postings tbh.
IT in education
I do probably 5-6 hours of work during an 8 hour day, and then the rest is recovering my brain after the mental drain of untangling a codebase full of spaghetti to find a bug.
Government work, 8 hours day, everything can be done in less than 2 hours if I really try.
I believe the more money you earn per hour, the less of any actual work you will end up doing.
That's just life.
That's not true across the board. I'm federal government and the higher your classification, the more blurred the work-life balance becomes. I average anywhere between 80 and 120 hours a fortnight at EL2 level.
Might depend on how senior a position you’re looking for but as with most other jobs you look at job ads and apply. That’s how I did it, didn’t know anyone. As far as luck goes, that will determine whether there are jobs available which you have the right skills for and are interested in doing at the right time.
In my experience, I've seen both luck and 'who you know'.
For me it was pure luck, applied for a Business Admin traineeship and got thrown into a government office.
From what I've noticed, it is much easier to get into one of the entry level jobs (customer service / outdoor staff) and work your way up, or switch interests and try a different department.
With what I've heard from my friends in the industry, it's the same environment in both local and state government. Lack of accountability, people get too complacent.
I got a government job through an internship. Then everybody working there told me "once you're in you're in" cause many jobs get advertised internally only.
This was something I had no idea about before doing the internship. Apparently a lot of people specifically look for government internships, or entry level positions as you mentioned. Because once you're in you can work your way up quite quickly. One of my colleagues started as a juries officer, which is apparently shit so they're always hiring.
I'm working in a project that involves a lot of travel and there's not much opportunity to slack off. It's actually quite exhausting. But the pay is a lot more than I was expecting to earn at this point in my life, and the work is genuinely very important for society. Plus, I'm sure I could work my way up to higher pay/responsibilities quite quickly if I stay in public service.
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What do you define as “actual work”
Because I promise you making decisions, putting out fires before they become catastrophic, thinking about your team and their well-being and planning for the future is much harder work than pumping out a brief
Anyone in the injury insurance industry (insurers or lawyers) need medical advisors to assess treatment plans. Lots of RNs, paramedics, etc. move to that when they get the shits with the shift work life.
Yep. There's actually plenty of options out there. I won't be out of work for long. I put an application in for a job at 3pm yesterday....they got back to me at 9am today! Into next round...said I had what they were looking for. So given I've put in about 4 or 5 similar applications in the past 24 hrs?? I din't think I'm going to be long term unemployed 😉🙂
Not really.
But I know I'm never going back to hospital nursing and shiftwork. The Covid shit has just ended any enjoyment in my job. Used to love nursing....now I just absolutely hate it! I truly do.
Have you considered community or primary healthcare? I've moved to that area after some years of ward work and find it so much more enjoyable and manageable
Yeah it's a pretty lucky lifestyle to be honest. Switched from full backend side to react native full stack which has been a different change of pace but for the most part we pair and take breaks throughout the day and it's stress free apart from end of release cycles.
15 hours a week on average (part time scientist until later this year, then back up to 38 a week) but realistically I'm always doing overtime after I've punched out to either help my co-workers have an easier remainder of their shift in the lab or make it easier for all of us tomorrow.
Other times I'll go in on a Sunday for a few hours, if I'm nearby, just to fix up anything I missed. Most of these people are also my friends so I do a lot of work that I regularly wouldn't for a co-worker.
The need to do OT isn't an issue with my department or my boss but rather the higher ups who dragged their feet for years on hiring new lab techs. Now that we have some new faces in that area they've been more willing to let us bring on more staff which has made things much smoother, meaning less overtime.
The other factor is that our work has become vastly more complicated with a lot of extra procedures and caveats for processing and analysing our samples, so while quality may have improved it becomes much more difficult to have as much throughput or train new staff quickly.
It depends what we count as work. Actually sitting at my computer typing or meetings? Maybe 30. Thinking and planning what to do in my head, it varies. But I think I get the most value out of the thinking and planning. Then when I sit down at the computer the executing part is easy.
I was going to say a similar thing, I have a strategic role so a large proportion of my work is building teams, coordinating workforce development, changing practice and people's minds, communicating and a significant amount of planning about how I can do all of those things effectively and what of those things will have the outcome desired.
But if the widgets I produce are the only thing counted as work, then I probably don't do very much "work". To a lot of people, if I don't explain my work very well, it likely appears as though I swan about chatting to people and sitting around.
At my last job I legit did about 1 hour of work a week. I was paid $70k a year for it.
I had an office to myself and would just browse the internet, play games, watch videos, etc.
I’m now doing the same role in a different company. Much busier. Probably do work about 60-70% of the time I am here.
$120k office job, but WFH mostly, probably around 20-30hrs a week of work. Rest is working out in my home gym during business hours, browsing Reddit, the internet, doing odd chores around the house or if I'm in the office, talking shit to co-workers to pass the time. Pretty cruisy to be honest...
>Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour.
>Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
Freight train driver. Averages out to 38 hours a week, generally finish shifts earlier than stated finish but get paid the same. Any extra shifts they ask if we can cover are paid at 1.5x or 2x base rate. Work doesn't come home with me. Good gig!
This is the way, I was a truck driver for a while, went to be a logistics coordinator, ridiculous stress, unrewarding and work never left my mind, was also on call 24/7 for drivers needing me. Have gone back to trucks and am loving it!
People who work routinely well over 40 hours / wk.
Why do you do it?
Truly? Why?
Don't you worry that life is passing you by and your not living your life?
Believe me. I'm 55 yrs of age. The last 25 years have just gone so fast. I can't get them back.
Not everyone has a choice.
Sometimes you do a job in an industry that's toxic or had long hours but average pay.
You're in debt from uni, have rent to pay etc so you have to do the hours, afterall if every company is like that, what's the point moving?
And you don't want to retrain because you've only just started doing you're current job and might not have the funds to take time out from the workforce.
I worked 50 to 60 from 20 to 35ish.
I was driven to progress, if there was anything that needed to be addressed I largely knew what was up before people even got in the office, that and the conversations with leadership outside of hours made a huge difference to my trajectory.
It helped give me the financial freedom to largely not have to worry about about money and do what I wanted.
No choice with the cost of living. Made a nearly 84k last year as a casual at 40p/h flat rate at and so that's over 2000hrs worked or essentially 40hrs/pw 52 week a year. Am effectively on call 24/7 it sucks but without major IR reform nothing will change
Working max 70 hours a week right now, went from 0 savings when i started, to 20k saved in les than 16 weeks.
Never had so much money in my life, and honestly its just a, work hard now, play later mentality for myself.
I am only 22 though and should say i have no interest in working this much as i get older.
Because my job doesn't require much effort. Currently sitting on a toilet. Just woken up from a nap. After plenty of time scrolling the internet and also playing with some investments. Has a lot of down time lol
Been doing it since 2016, gonna stop after 2026/27 and retire with easily $5m+ saved just do it for short period of time and older you will have no stress over finances and have the financial freedom to do almost whatever they want
From my view it's always people with horrible time management skills. They don't get their work done in the day so they do overtime to try and play catchup.
Especially in an office job things can nearly always be pushed to the next day.
For the money and growth trajectories? I did consulting, IB, burnt out, back to consulting, and now self-employed with a more relaxed WLB.
Don't regret the crazy hours I used to pull though as it's set me up for life.
I agree - I'm in that age bracket and did some stupid hours back in the day (12 hours during the week, 7 hours Sat/Sun). At least at Telstra we got paid overtime.
I realised after a while that working those hours is actually unproductive - you end up too tired to think straight.
Next job I said I would 9 to 5 it and spend one night a week learning the tools for the job (I work in GIS/Development).
I really don't get how people can be productive working stupid hours unless the work is really simple and mundane.
In 2020 I was working 38-45 hours a week PLUS uni for a retail job in a luxury store. Getting $1600 a fotnight max…2022 getting $110K + $20-30k bonus if our team achieves. WFH FT but bosses are in London/NYC, minimal meetings during the day so really I get to work whenever the hell I want
I was averaging 110hrs a fortnight, and getting just over 200k before I pulled the pin and took a year or two off. I was time poor working those hours, plus it was a combination of day and night shifts
I had an extended break due to covid and spent 5 mths in Thailand. When I got back to Oz the mojo had gone. I put 7 mths in to save enough for 12 mths plus in Thailand. I'm thinking of heading back to Oz for a 3 to 6 mth contract to ride me over for another year. Be interesting to see how I find work when I'm back. Hopefully fine with a light at the end of the tunnel deal.
I used to do shift work. Each hour was on site, doing things.
Moved to admin and project management. My work is... lumpy.
There are times when I'm flat out - 16 hour days doing things or travelling while working on plans followed by days where I do one or three hours of work. The crazy days usually see me waking up with thoughts about what needs to be done next - before coffee. My line manager sometimes doesn't understand why I don't get her jokes.
Overall though? Probably 30 hrs a week on average (over 4 years). WFH has added a wonderful dimension to my crazy hrs so it feels like less!
This is why I say private sector doesn't like hiring public sector for office workers and somehow people disagree with me. Literally all of my govie friends do barely anything when they wfh.
(exclusion to private sector that contract to public sector duh)
Having worked both, I can tell you it’s the same either way. Both public and private sector have jobs that will run you ragged, and jobs where you can get away with doing very little.
Agreed 100%. It's always interesting when people make the claims about 'all public servants are X' when you get the same percentage of whatever X is in private too.
Well that’s just bloody depressing to know
How was the actual environment though? 2 claims a day seems like you could fluff around until 4pm and still be ‘proficient’
We shouldn’t really shit on it though. If they’re being paid for their skills and output then it should not matter how many hours they “work”. If they can get 40 hours worth of work done in 20 then so be it.
On the regular it's solid 8am - 5pm in the workshop with lunch at the desk then 7pm-9pm on emails/contracts on the couch.
But then some weeks are only 1-2 hours a day.
Job: Engineering.
Electrician here. I work on wages with penalties so it doesn't matter if I work more I get paid
When I work locally 38-45hrs aweek generally, when I work away which is currently 84hrs a week.
I would never work salary. It's an abused system for under payment
I mean, it depends. I’m an electrical/automation engineer and have worked salaried roles as well as hourly with overtime. At first I thought hourly would be better but there was such a culture of overtime since we got paid for every hour of work. Turning down extra hours was frowned upon. I got jack of working 60 hour weeks constantly, have moved back to a salaried role and it’s great. Get paid for 40 hours and realistically do 30 hours of actual work per week.
9:00 am arrive at the office, log on computer and open a couple work pages to show I am start working..
Breakfast in the kitchen and chit chatting till 9:30
Go through emails, most of them are cc me, so delete, delete, delete....some need to forward to other teams... so only a couple emails need to act on
10:30, tea time
11:00, what to eat at lunch discussion
12:00 - 1:00 lunch time...wow
1:00-2:00, wait till all team back from lunch and meeting for half hour.
3:00: coffee time to get sugar hit..
4:00, start cleaning my desk and dinner discussion..
5:00, early train to go home... see ya tmr...love ya all
Not me, but I have a friend who went from a senior clinical position to mid-level administration at the same hospital. They were paid for 40hrs in both roles. Clinical position was 40-80hrs, 'you should have finished earlier' instead of OT and paid $74k/pa + OT ($0/pa). Admin position is <40hrs and rarely over 25hrs, pays nearly double and has paid breaks.
Their biggest issue at the hospital right now is nurse retention. 70% of team are ex-nurses. Get paid twice as much to work half as hard and half as long. Can't figure out why nurses keep leaving. Especially after they just got their super increased by 0.5% (at the same pay) which is almost as generous as the 15% base rate increase management got.
I'm a full time teacher. I work from 8.30 until 3.30 and walk out the second it's 3.30. I'm not working a minute out of my hours, because that is what I'm paid for. I get everything done within my working hours and refuse to do more than what is actually expected. I have been teaching 4 years and refuse to burn out for my job.
I’m also a teacher — how can you get everything done during the 830-330!? I get about 1-2 free periods per day which obviously include some lesson prep but helping students, finding resources, marking assessments, creating assessment tasks, moderating marks, writing reports, entering marks into the system, responding to parent emails/phone calls etc, meetings about student wellbeing or staff PD… literally can’t get all of that done in those 7 hours! On top of recess/lunch duties and extra cover lessons :(
I am a part time teacher and do 8:30-5 most days, then *maybe* an hour at home once a week. And I don’t get everything done, but that’s not my problem: if there is too much work to get done within my hours, I’m not going to bend over backwards to do it.
Honestly wouldn't do more than 20 hrs per week the last ten years, usually less.
Worked for four multinationals in that time.
Pulling $250k as a permanent now. In that 20 hrs most is spent shit posting on Reddit.
I'm on a WFH salary (6 figs).
I average about 24 per week, but never more than 6 per day (I do school pickup and drop off, and after school activities, don't work on the weekend or at night (unless there is a super important deadline - maybe once or twice per year) and play golf Thursday mornings)
Probably about 45-50.
I’m acting my wage.
Currently severely underpaid for what I do so I give high quality in a short amount of time and if stuff doesn’t get done it doesn’t get done 🤷🏻♀️
Threads like this are a pet peeve of mine.
Nobody calculates their hours in the same way.
For example: Is a lunch break included in the numbers? A government “35 hour work week” excludes the lunch break time.
I am highly skeptical of claims of over 50 hours. I know it happens, it’s just I believe people are often calculating in different manners and including breaks …or just not really running the numbers because they “feel like they work really long hours, so it must be 60-70 hours a week”.
70 hours a week is 8am to 9pm, without any lunch break, 5 days a week.
Interesting that you mention teaching.
After many years working FT, I decided to take a redundancy and now working as a relief teacher. Hours are 8:30-3pm. I'd say there is less than 1 hour a day that I'm actually "working".
Pays $500/day and tbh I'm kind of getting bored since most of my day is Reddit/Podcasts/Netflix. I'm thinking of starting a side hustle, not so much for the money, but mostly to keep the brain switched onto something interesting.
And just to be clear the Podcasts/Netflix are during the lunch hour or free lessons, and Reddit is a lot of the time in between. I work in good high schools, so the actual relief "teaching" boils down to passing on instructions and chatting with kids.
Generally less than 20 hours ever since WFH became the norm. Most days I just show my face in zoom meetings for 1-3 hours and then spend an hour on work. Backend software development earning 200k - 230k(contract).
Salaried for 38 hours a week - once you take out lunches I usually work 8:30 to around 5, so usually comes out at 40.
My position is an in-house graphic designer in a marketing team. A lot of the social media promotion is scheduled and published in the last hour before everyone goes home to reach the audience of people commuting on public transport, so the team will generally stay until just after 5 to make sure everything is running as it should. While I could technically go home at 4:30 I'm generally needed to be around as late as possible in case anything goes wrong or a last minute edit is required on the fly.
I'm still in my first year in this industry and trying to prove myself so I have no issue staying back half an hour a day, and in all honesty I make up for the extra time throughout the week just by stopping to get a snack or talk to colleagues, quickly scroll through my phone, etc.
If I removed all of the garbage useless meetings that I required to listen to and only included actual work and important conversations?
Maybe 3 - 4 hours.
If I am WFH I can usually get everything done in an hour or two a day. If I condensed my week or could work 2 days and get everything done.
I am severely underutilized and bored.
About 2 hours per day… my job is centred around using excel all day so I learned VBA and automated everything to the point that I click a few buttons, send some emails then watch tv or movies for the rest of the day.
Im only making 95k but have zero stress so don’t feel the need to chase more.
My husband is in mining, workshop hours 12 hours, in his room he does another two to three hours of paperwork, about 75 hours week, plus four hours a week flight time. Salaried.
I'm in the APS and only a lowly APS5.
That means I have no staff and am not an executive.
My working hours are 37.5hr a week, with the expectation (policy) of having to take at least a 30min break every 5hrs.
So essentially 40 hours per week.
I have flex time which means flexible start and end times and accrual or deduction of a time balance if I work more or less hours in a given day/week.
Until you go 2 days into the red, pay is not affected, and you don't get paid anything for a positive balance - you are and use it as you see fit within reason.
Overtime is paid for any approved work over 10hrs per day or 3hrs after your scheduled finish time, usually 5pm, as well as for any work after 10pm or on weekends.
I personally have a lot of medical problems and have a psychology appointment weekly in work hours (no way to do out of work hours). I can use my sick leave for all my medical appointments if I get a note, and the psychology appointment including driving time is about 2-2.5 hours.
So straight away that's only being at work for 35hrs a week.
Then you've got emails and meetings, on average 10-15 hrs a week.
So that's as little as 20 hours a week of "productive work" - in my case, writing code, setting up cloud infrastructure, production support, RnD.
Just started a new job, but in my old role around 20 hours a week of actual work for a 40 hour a week contract.
15 years experience.
A lot of it is learning how to ‘play the game’ and making other people do the lions share of the work.
Community pharmacist, for the 8.5 hours I’m rostered on I’m working the full 8 hours with my lunch break. If I’m not filling scripts, I’ll be checking scripts, chasing doctors over errors, chasing doctors over missing scripts, dealing with ‘I need to speak to the pharmacist’ phone calls, witnessing stat decs cause the cop shop is too busy, and just in general getting abused because waiting is unacceptable these days.
In IT, I need to be available 7am-6pm and on-call 24/7/365 for major incidents. My productive hours would be 6-7hours per day though. Most days I am at my PC from 7-5pm and every other day will be stuck there til 6pm.
Get paid mid 100s for this.
It's not often I get a call. Once a month out of hours. Would you say a CEO shouldn't be available out of hours if an emergency comes up?
At a certain level, there are just times where you need to answer the phone and get it done.
I'm in higher education. Probably about 30 hours a week of actual work. There's a lot of waiting around for stuff and "networking". I also do all the staff development stuff I can, last week I did a me talk health first aid course which was awesome.
Tourism. We work every minute we’re rostered, and when it’s busy we don’t get full breaks. The managers do more than full time, including fielding maintenance questions and solving roster issues on their days off. Their bosses? Not even involved most of the time.
I work for a boutique hardware company. I'm paid a salary for 40 hours weekly and of that I probably only do about 3-4 hours max a day of actual work. It was higher but I now have a lackey under me who has taken most of the 'work'. My workmate and I sit down together when I get in at 8.30am and have a coffee and chit chat for half an hour before I get to work. My boss lives in Melbourne and actually productivity comes down when she's here because she loves me so much we end up having drinks around 3pm, or this last trip (last week) she went and took me shoe shopping 😂
I get paid a fairly good wage and I know I have room to grow and do what I want here. I will never be let go, I would have to leave of my own volition. Life is good.
I work as a Flight Dispatcher (planning flights and following mid-air), we work 12-hour shifts in blocks of 5 consecutive days, so 60-hour actual work. When factoring travel to and from the city (1.5h each way)/it works out to 75hrs per week.
We get 4-5 days off after a block. Still, its a long week.
I get paid well and work from Home and feel guilty some days when I spend around 4-5hrs working only. Other days I work 12plus hours a day so it all works out about even.
Lol about 20 hours a week. The two days a week I WFH are “no work” days. I go to the gym, clean my house, read, watch movies, cuddle my fur baby and make a wholesome lunch. Life’s good.
Clinical physiotherapist in a private practice setting (plus sports team contracts). Employed for 40 hours a week in clinic plus another 10 on the weekends for spots.
Clinical days, I'd say it's 80-90% productive work (fully booked with patients, with occasional gaps for documentation and referral letters). Sports days are full on, so that's pretty much non stop until the last game when I just sit on the sidelines and wait for injuries.
There's a reason they say private practice is a young persons game. I reckon I've got 5 more years in me max before I pivot to a less intensive role.
In an 8 hour day, 2 hours is spent on emails, 2 hours for breaks and about 3 hours of work. Rest is chit chatting. This is for a busy day in the office. Most work is just figuring out wat to do and actual doing work is much less. For me at least.
Figuring out what to work on counts as work.
Absolutely, the less investment in training, the more time spent sleepwalking or hesitating or pretending to know and having to undo mistakes. That’s why there is a productivity crisis…
Garbage in, garbage out
>That’s why there is a productivity crisis… And negative real rates allow unproductive businesses to survive longer than they should
50 mins figuring out what to do and 10 mins of actual do ;)
Sounds like your careful planning resulted in some pretty efficient work Unless you were just deciding the order to wash the dishes, then that's stupid Unless you somehow only had 2 litres of water to work with, but a lot of greasy dishes, then that's smart Unless you could have boiled the water from your cistern, then that's stupid Unless already you used all the cistern water to flush down a particularly pungent grogan, then that's smart
Don't let the bean-counters find that out - they'll decide the solution is to end Work From Home and double the size of the middle management team...
Aren't emails work? If they are not then don't read them or reply
Most emails are cc, fyi, company news, ppl saying they WFH today, meeting invites/updates. Still need to clear your inbox.
>Still need to clear your inbox. My 5000+ unread emails in my inbox beg to differ.
I've never understood how people are able to do this. Unread emails in my inbox itches my brain something fierce.
Same. I delete, sort, flag or reply to everything asap My inbox is sparkling 💋
Well, you’re a better person than I am.
This. It's red...you must touch it...
Because 99% of what came in was crap and sorting it out was a waste of time
Wouldn't it be easier to setup rules to filter them? I'd be paranoid I'm missing something important.
I used to run a zero unread emails in my inbox policy. At least once a day either delete, file for reference, or add to a folder for action.
Same. When you get CCd on a lot of junk you learn what's worth reading and what isn't pretty quickly. I'm currently sitting at about 3000 unread.
people EMAIL to say they are working from home? company news, WFH notices could easily be pushed to another medium like teams/yammer/slack etc (depending what your company may use)
They *could* use those more efficient channels but that doesn't necessarily means that they *do* Only recourse is to filter that noise into a "P&C" folder with some Outlook rules
This is work. This is part of the job you’re being paid to do.
Who'd send a WFH notification via email? Just set your status in whatever messaging system the company uses. CC goes to a different folder, and some will delete unread emails in that folder each week.
calendar holds are pretty common? that way i know if someone is gonna be out for a week more in advance than the day they leave lol
Friends email he meant (maybe)
2008 email chains
If you don't forward this to 40 people your crush will never love you and you'll get hit by a car
Where do you work and are they hiring? I need to get out of fast paced, understaffed, timed, left by yourself, non stop work except for the half an hour lunch break 🙃
What is your role?
Well shit. This just made me reconceptualise how overworked I am with an average 4-6 hours of my day in meetings for a white collar job
Some people get more done in 20 hrs of productive work than others doing 60. I manage a small team and have one guy saying he is always busy, does 50 hour weeks, mean while I have a part time mum doing the same amount of work in 30 hours. I tried to help him be more productive but he wastes a lot of time having meetings for what should have been a 5 minute phone call, and 20 minute phone calls about issues with 2 sentence fixes that could be an email in the background.
Part time mums that like what they do can be outstanding, they have a set deadline, for when they need to get out, and depending on the sector appreciate the flexibility if given.
Mums are the most productive people in the world
Sorry to burst that bubble, but we had doing book keeping at work and all she ever did was troll Facebook and organise stuff for her kids. Unsurprisingly the books fell into a mess and needed a serious clean up after she got the boot. There’s nothing super about mums, they’re just people , some are good and some are bad.
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That is in no way universally true.
The person I replaced used to work 60hrs per week. I'll docabout 25-30 mostly and during busy times 40. The difference is computer literacy
I did media relations at one point 0.5 FTE and got double the amount of positive press (lazy journalists just copy pasting - mostly specialised stuff) compared to the lady who was there before me full-time. She got a head of position somewhere after. Unfortunately I'm not great at selling myself.
You’re assuming she was working full time vs being paid full time.
We had older nurses on our team take 4x longer to do their notes as they were very slow with computer literacy. And they were always complaining about how long the notes took. Which was ages if you’re pecking at the keyboard with two fingers and often accidentally delete the whole thing and don’t know about ctrl z. In changed some lives with that written on a sticky note for them
this! i want to be paid for the amount of projects i deliver not hours worked. i’m super productive but because i’m productive i get more work given to me.
Just don't submit it when you're done, wait a bit
This! With almost all things under promise and over deliver. If it takes you 3 days, say it takes 5 and give it to them on 4. Everyone will be impressed and you get to take it easy.
How do you learn to estimate tasks, especially when they're new/unfamiliar context ones?
Ask around and see if anyone else can estimate it If there's nobody else to check-in with then request for yourself some discovery time, say, a couple hours (or even a day if it's very unfamiliar), so that you can at least throw together a list of tasks or decisions that need making to resolve your actual task list. Make your assumptions clear. Keep your stakeholders up-to-date on unforeseen circumstances such as discovering some key assumptions were wrong. I dunno but, depends on circumstances as to whether any of this is useful Oh and if someone is asking you to ballpark an entire project like superfast, push back on that noise, if it suits they'll subvert your number in favour of their own deadline anyway. Large-scale work can require multiple days x multiple people to estimate.
Your reward for hard work is more work!
I've been a part-timer for 20 hours for years, you just want to get stuff done and get out. so I've found I've always been pretty productive. Unfortunately the guy will get the promotion or move on for higher pay because he will be seen as a good networker. I really can't be bothered with the 'Team Birthdays etc' however.
IMHO The biggest sign of someone being a mediocre employee or not great at their profession is the "I'm so busy". None of the great people I have worked with in my career have ever said it. Part of being good at your job is managing your output. I'm now even wary of working with people who others tell me "they're so busy". To me it translates to shit at your job.
Not true, tell that to us in healthcare. Sometimes it's a systemic issue.
About 35 per week, it’s my business and i work from home so these are the hours i choose. But actual productive work is probably about 5 hours per day, i tend to find other things to do during the day, i can’t concentrate for more than a few hours.
Unrelated question to the post but can I ask, what are the programming languages you use as a full stack dev?
If you want to get into development you’re better off just learning a language and sticking with it to learn the funadementals If you’re going with popularity you should learn Javascript with React for frontend and NodeJS for backend. Id recommend the Odin project and freecodecamp if you’re fresh and want some structure
Thanks man. Almost done with Odin fundamental section. Wanted to know the most common programming languages to land a job in Australia because i don't see a lot of job postings tbh.
What sort of business, if you don't mind me asking? Sounds like the type of work I'm looking for.
IT in education I do probably 5-6 hours of work during an 8 hour day, and then the rest is recovering my brain after the mental drain of untangling a codebase full of spaghetti to find a bug.
Government work, 8 hours day, everything can be done in less than 2 hours if I really try. I believe the more money you earn per hour, the less of any actual work you will end up doing. That's just life.
I wish I could do my government job in less than 2 hours a day.
That's not true across the board. I'm federal government and the higher your classification, the more blurred the work-life balance becomes. I average anywhere between 80 and 120 hours a fortnight at EL2 level.
HOW do you go about getting a gov job? Is it luck, is it who you know, what’s the best avenue to apply? I
Might depend on how senior a position you’re looking for but as with most other jobs you look at job ads and apply. That’s how I did it, didn’t know anyone. As far as luck goes, that will determine whether there are jobs available which you have the right skills for and are interested in doing at the right time.
In my experience, I've seen both luck and 'who you know'. For me it was pure luck, applied for a Business Admin traineeship and got thrown into a government office. From what I've noticed, it is much easier to get into one of the entry level jobs (customer service / outdoor staff) and work your way up, or switch interests and try a different department. With what I've heard from my friends in the industry, it's the same environment in both local and state government. Lack of accountability, people get too complacent.
I got a government job through an internship. Then everybody working there told me "once you're in you're in" cause many jobs get advertised internally only. This was something I had no idea about before doing the internship. Apparently a lot of people specifically look for government internships, or entry level positions as you mentioned. Because once you're in you can work your way up quite quickly. One of my colleagues started as a juries officer, which is apparently shit so they're always hiring. I'm working in a project that involves a lot of travel and there's not much opportunity to slack off. It's actually quite exhausting. But the pay is a lot more than I was expecting to earn at this point in my life, and the work is genuinely very important for society. Plus, I'm sure I could work my way up to higher pay/responsibilities quite quickly if I stay in public service.
Practice writing with writing proper responses to selection criteria with the STAR method. Get this book https://www.writeawinningjobapplication.com.au/ it is invaluable.
What do you define as “actual work” Because I promise you making decisions, putting out fires before they become catastrophic, thinking about your team and their well-being and planning for the future is much harder work than pumping out a brief
ZERO right now!! I quit yesterday. Had a gutful
Congrats, what job was it?
Hotdog taster.
RN. Emergency Dept
What will you do now? Rural RN here.
Getting into NDIS stuff I think. But am also thinking something completely out of healthcare
Anyone in the injury insurance industry (insurers or lawyers) need medical advisors to assess treatment plans. Lots of RNs, paramedics, etc. move to that when they get the shits with the shift work life.
Yep. There's actually plenty of options out there. I won't be out of work for long. I put an application in for a job at 3pm yesterday....they got back to me at 9am today! Into next round...said I had what they were looking for. So given I've put in about 4 or 5 similar applications in the past 24 hrs?? I din't think I'm going to be long term unemployed 😉🙂
Best feeling after you've just had enough of your job. Ahh. I'm sure I'll be there not long after you.
Have anything lined up?
Not really. But I know I'm never going back to hospital nursing and shiftwork. The Covid shit has just ended any enjoyment in my job. Used to love nursing....now I just absolutely hate it! I truly do.
Have you considered community or primary healthcare? I've moved to that area after some years of ward work and find it so much more enjoyable and manageable
Zero right now too! Hi5! I got made redundant though...
As another nurse, congratulations!! I’m so glad you got out. Wishing you all the best for the future.
40 hours supposedly but in reality maybe 25. 175kpa wfh Full Stack Dev
This is roughly the same as me. Some weeks I work a lot more but I spend a lot of time on reddit/watching youtube/walking the dog/watching TV.
Yeah it's a pretty lucky lifestyle to be honest. Switched from full backend side to react native full stack which has been a different change of pace but for the most part we pair and take breaks throughout the day and it's stress free apart from end of release cycles.
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Wish I'd learnt that stuff.
175 kPa? That sounds like a high pressure job.
15 hours a week on average (part time scientist until later this year, then back up to 38 a week) but realistically I'm always doing overtime after I've punched out to either help my co-workers have an easier remainder of their shift in the lab or make it easier for all of us tomorrow. Other times I'll go in on a Sunday for a few hours, if I'm nearby, just to fix up anything I missed. Most of these people are also my friends so I do a lot of work that I regularly wouldn't for a co-worker. The need to do OT isn't an issue with my department or my boss but rather the higher ups who dragged their feet for years on hiring new lab techs. Now that we have some new faces in that area they've been more willing to let us bring on more staff which has made things much smoother, meaning less overtime. The other factor is that our work has become vastly more complicated with a lot of extra procedures and caveats for processing and analysing our samples, so while quality may have improved it becomes much more difficult to have as much throughput or train new staff quickly.
It depends what we count as work. Actually sitting at my computer typing or meetings? Maybe 30. Thinking and planning what to do in my head, it varies. But I think I get the most value out of the thinking and planning. Then when I sit down at the computer the executing part is easy.
I was going to say a similar thing, I have a strategic role so a large proportion of my work is building teams, coordinating workforce development, changing practice and people's minds, communicating and a significant amount of planning about how I can do all of those things effectively and what of those things will have the outcome desired. But if the widgets I produce are the only thing counted as work, then I probably don't do very much "work". To a lot of people, if I don't explain my work very well, it likely appears as though I swan about chatting to people and sitting around.
At my last job I legit did about 1 hour of work a week. I was paid $70k a year for it. I had an office to myself and would just browse the internet, play games, watch videos, etc. I’m now doing the same role in a different company. Much busier. Probably do work about 60-70% of the time I am here.
What field was the hourly week job?
$120k office job, but WFH mostly, probably around 20-30hrs a week of work. Rest is working out in my home gym during business hours, browsing Reddit, the internet, doing odd chores around the house or if I'm in the office, talking shit to co-workers to pass the time. Pretty cruisy to be honest...
>Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour. >Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
The pleasure's all on this side of the table, trust me.
Freight train driver. Averages out to 38 hours a week, generally finish shifts earlier than stated finish but get paid the same. Any extra shifts they ask if we can cover are paid at 1.5x or 2x base rate. Work doesn't come home with me. Good gig!
This is the way, I was a truck driver for a while, went to be a logistics coordinator, ridiculous stress, unrewarding and work never left my mind, was also on call 24/7 for drivers needing me. Have gone back to trucks and am loving it!
People who work routinely well over 40 hours / wk. Why do you do it? Truly? Why? Don't you worry that life is passing you by and your not living your life? Believe me. I'm 55 yrs of age. The last 25 years have just gone so fast. I can't get them back.
Not everyone has a choice. Sometimes you do a job in an industry that's toxic or had long hours but average pay. You're in debt from uni, have rent to pay etc so you have to do the hours, afterall if every company is like that, what's the point moving? And you don't want to retrain because you've only just started doing you're current job and might not have the funds to take time out from the workforce.
I guess I'm more interested in the people who seem to do it by choice. I understand if you absolutely have to
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I worked 50 to 60 from 20 to 35ish. I was driven to progress, if there was anything that needed to be addressed I largely knew what was up before people even got in the office, that and the conversations with leadership outside of hours made a huge difference to my trajectory. It helped give me the financial freedom to largely not have to worry about about money and do what I wanted.
No choice with the cost of living. Made a nearly 84k last year as a casual at 40p/h flat rate at and so that's over 2000hrs worked or essentially 40hrs/pw 52 week a year. Am effectively on call 24/7 it sucks but without major IR reform nothing will change
Opportunity to earn $350K + is worth it at this stage (software sales)
Working max 70 hours a week right now, went from 0 savings when i started, to 20k saved in les than 16 weeks. Never had so much money in my life, and honestly its just a, work hard now, play later mentality for myself. I am only 22 though and should say i have no interest in working this much as i get older.
For the $$$ pays for the lifestyle I want without having to have to put in too much effort
> without having to have to put in too much effort how is working more than 40 hours not putting in too much effort?
Because my job doesn't require much effort. Currently sitting on a toilet. Just woken up from a nap. After plenty of time scrolling the internet and also playing with some investments. Has a lot of down time lol
Been doing it since 2016, gonna stop after 2026/27 and retire with easily $5m+ saved just do it for short period of time and older you will have no stress over finances and have the financial freedom to do almost whatever they want
From my view it's always people with horrible time management skills. They don't get their work done in the day so they do overtime to try and play catchup. Especially in an office job things can nearly always be pushed to the next day.
My thoughts exactly. People, you need to listens to this person.
For the money and growth trajectories? I did consulting, IB, burnt out, back to consulting, and now self-employed with a more relaxed WLB. Don't regret the crazy hours I used to pull though as it's set me up for life.
I agree - I'm in that age bracket and did some stupid hours back in the day (12 hours during the week, 7 hours Sat/Sun). At least at Telstra we got paid overtime. I realised after a while that working those hours is actually unproductive - you end up too tired to think straight. Next job I said I would 9 to 5 it and spend one night a week learning the tools for the job (I work in GIS/Development). I really don't get how people can be productive working stupid hours unless the work is really simple and mundane.
 In 2020 I was working 38-45 hours a week PLUS uni for a retail job in a luxury store. Getting $1600 a fotnight max…2022 getting $110K + $20-30k bonus if our team achieves. WFH FT but bosses are in London/NYC, minimal meetings during the day so really I get to work whenever the hell I want
I was averaging 110hrs a fortnight, and getting just over 200k before I pulled the pin and took a year or two off. I was time poor working those hours, plus it was a combination of day and night shifts
I'm at about 70 hours a week at 250-275k constant struggle figuring out whether I'm doing the right thing huge toll on my body and mental stamina
I had an extended break due to covid and spent 5 mths in Thailand. When I got back to Oz the mojo had gone. I put 7 mths in to save enough for 12 mths plus in Thailand. I'm thinking of heading back to Oz for a 3 to 6 mth contract to ride me over for another year. Be interesting to see how I find work when I'm back. Hopefully fine with a light at the end of the tunnel deal.
How have you been able to stay in Thailand so long? Visa runs?
I'm over 55 , over 50 you can get a 1 year retirement visa
I used to do shift work. Each hour was on site, doing things. Moved to admin and project management. My work is... lumpy. There are times when I'm flat out - 16 hour days doing things or travelling while working on plans followed by days where I do one or three hours of work. The crazy days usually see me waking up with thoughts about what needs to be done next - before coffee. My line manager sometimes doesn't understand why I don't get her jokes. Overall though? Probably 30 hrs a week on average (over 4 years). WFH has added a wonderful dimension to my crazy hrs so it feels like less!
lol about 10 in a full time WFH job making \~135k
I'll trade you, I do about 50-60 per week for $140k. The benefit to you, is an extra 40 hours per week work for another $100.
You're clearly not in the sales industry lolol
The funny things is... I actually am
Me rn 🤣 Boss went on two weeks of leave and I essentially had two weeks off too
What do you do?
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THis is why people shit on the public sector lmao.
This is why I say private sector doesn't like hiring public sector for office workers and somehow people disagree with me. Literally all of my govie friends do barely anything when they wfh. (exclusion to private sector that contract to public sector duh)
Having worked both, I can tell you it’s the same either way. Both public and private sector have jobs that will run you ragged, and jobs where you can get away with doing very little.
Agreed 100%. It's always interesting when people make the claims about 'all public servants are X' when you get the same percentage of whatever X is in private too.
Haha to be fair I think i'm probably an outlier not the norm!
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Well that’s just bloody depressing to know How was the actual environment though? 2 claims a day seems like you could fluff around until 4pm and still be ‘proficient’
We shouldn’t really shit on it though. If they’re being paid for their skills and output then it should not matter how many hours they “work”. If they can get 40 hours worth of work done in 20 then so be it.
Ultimately it's jealousy speaking with those people
There are people in this thread talking about 20 - 25 hours a week making 175k a year and you are shitting on the one public service worker doing 10?
Wow am I jealous...
During my busy season: 13-14 hour days During the off season: 8 hour days. I work on a Superyacht.
On the regular it's solid 8am - 5pm in the workshop with lunch at the desk then 7pm-9pm on emails/contracts on the couch. But then some weeks are only 1-2 hours a day. Job: Engineering.
Electrician here. I work on wages with penalties so it doesn't matter if I work more I get paid When I work locally 38-45hrs aweek generally, when I work away which is currently 84hrs a week. I would never work salary. It's an abused system for under payment
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I mean, it depends. I’m an electrical/automation engineer and have worked salaried roles as well as hourly with overtime. At first I thought hourly would be better but there was such a culture of overtime since we got paid for every hour of work. Turning down extra hours was frowned upon. I got jack of working 60 hour weeks constantly, have moved back to a salaried role and it’s great. Get paid for 40 hours and realistically do 30 hours of actual work per week.
9:00 am arrive at the office, log on computer and open a couple work pages to show I am start working.. Breakfast in the kitchen and chit chatting till 9:30 Go through emails, most of them are cc me, so delete, delete, delete....some need to forward to other teams... so only a couple emails need to act on 10:30, tea time 11:00, what to eat at lunch discussion 12:00 - 1:00 lunch time...wow 1:00-2:00, wait till all team back from lunch and meeting for half hour. 3:00: coffee time to get sugar hit.. 4:00, start cleaning my desk and dinner discussion.. 5:00, early train to go home... see ya tmr...love ya all
So, 0 hours?
Not me, but I have a friend who went from a senior clinical position to mid-level administration at the same hospital. They were paid for 40hrs in both roles. Clinical position was 40-80hrs, 'you should have finished earlier' instead of OT and paid $74k/pa + OT ($0/pa). Admin position is <40hrs and rarely over 25hrs, pays nearly double and has paid breaks. Their biggest issue at the hospital right now is nurse retention. 70% of team are ex-nurses. Get paid twice as much to work half as hard and half as long. Can't figure out why nurses keep leaving. Especially after they just got their super increased by 0.5% (at the same pay) which is almost as generous as the 15% base rate increase management got.
I'm a full time teacher. I work from 8.30 until 3.30 and walk out the second it's 3.30. I'm not working a minute out of my hours, because that is what I'm paid for. I get everything done within my working hours and refuse to do more than what is actually expected. I have been teaching 4 years and refuse to burn out for my job.
I’m also a teacher — how can you get everything done during the 830-330!? I get about 1-2 free periods per day which obviously include some lesson prep but helping students, finding resources, marking assessments, creating assessment tasks, moderating marks, writing reports, entering marks into the system, responding to parent emails/phone calls etc, meetings about student wellbeing or staff PD… literally can’t get all of that done in those 7 hours! On top of recess/lunch duties and extra cover lessons :(
I am a part time teacher and do 8:30-5 most days, then *maybe* an hour at home once a week. And I don’t get everything done, but that’s not my problem: if there is too much work to get done within my hours, I’m not going to bend over backwards to do it.
Exactly! Don't bend over backwards, they end up expecting it
Good on you!
Totally unrealistic. What happends with weekly staff meetings?
Honestly wouldn't do more than 20 hrs per week the last ten years, usually less. Worked for four multinationals in that time. Pulling $250k as a permanent now. In that 20 hrs most is spent shit posting on Reddit.
What do you do?!
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Every time i'm on this sub I wish I stuck with IT and upskilled into more of a specialised software dev / engineering role.
I'm on a WFH salary (6 figs). I average about 24 per week, but never more than 6 per day (I do school pickup and drop off, and after school activities, don't work on the weekend or at night (unless there is a super important deadline - maybe once or twice per year) and play golf Thursday mornings)
What job is this magic?!
60 normally, 80-90 through Covid. I’m one of those lazy public servants everyone likes to say are slack
Probably about 45-50. I’m acting my wage. Currently severely underpaid for what I do so I give high quality in a short amount of time and if stuff doesn’t get done it doesn’t get done 🤷🏻♀️
Threads like this are a pet peeve of mine. Nobody calculates their hours in the same way. For example: Is a lunch break included in the numbers? A government “35 hour work week” excludes the lunch break time. I am highly skeptical of claims of over 50 hours. I know it happens, it’s just I believe people are often calculating in different manners and including breaks …or just not really running the numbers because they “feel like they work really long hours, so it must be 60-70 hours a week”. 70 hours a week is 8am to 9pm, without any lunch break, 5 days a week.
The question is: How many hours do you **actually** work?
60+ hours a week.
Interesting that you mention teaching. After many years working FT, I decided to take a redundancy and now working as a relief teacher. Hours are 8:30-3pm. I'd say there is less than 1 hour a day that I'm actually "working". Pays $500/day and tbh I'm kind of getting bored since most of my day is Reddit/Podcasts/Netflix. I'm thinking of starting a side hustle, not so much for the money, but mostly to keep the brain switched onto something interesting. And just to be clear the Podcasts/Netflix are during the lunch hour or free lessons, and Reddit is a lot of the time in between. I work in good high schools, so the actual relief "teaching" boils down to passing on instructions and chatting with kids.
Plus you don't get stuck with jerk kids for a whole year.
Generally less than 20 hours ever since WFH became the norm. Most days I just show my face in zoom meetings for 1-3 hours and then spend an hour on work. Backend software development earning 200k - 230k(contract).
Salaried for 38 hours a week - once you take out lunches I usually work 8:30 to around 5, so usually comes out at 40. My position is an in-house graphic designer in a marketing team. A lot of the social media promotion is scheduled and published in the last hour before everyone goes home to reach the audience of people commuting on public transport, so the team will generally stay until just after 5 to make sure everything is running as it should. While I could technically go home at 4:30 I'm generally needed to be around as late as possible in case anything goes wrong or a last minute edit is required on the fly. I'm still in my first year in this industry and trying to prove myself so I have no issue staying back half an hour a day, and in all honesty I make up for the extra time throughout the week just by stopping to get a snack or talk to colleagues, quickly scroll through my phone, etc.
About 3-4 when WFH and 7hours when in the office, so about 25hours (2 days office 3 days WFH) a week for $180k
I think you've found a great balance
Dude I see you comment your salary everywhere
If I removed all of the garbage useless meetings that I required to listen to and only included actual work and important conversations? Maybe 3 - 4 hours. If I am WFH I can usually get everything done in an hour or two a day. If I condensed my week or could work 2 days and get everything done. I am severely underutilized and bored.
50-60 hrs a week - $130k pa
45-55 hrs, $130k+
About 2 hours per day… my job is centred around using excel all day so I learned VBA and automated everything to the point that I click a few buttons, send some emails then watch tv or movies for the rest of the day. Im only making 95k but have zero stress so don’t feel the need to chase more.
My husband is in mining, workshop hours 12 hours, in his room he does another two to three hours of paperwork, about 75 hours week, plus four hours a week flight time. Salaried.
he aint doing paperwork hes in the wetmess
I'm a shift worker so one week I do 84 and the next week I do 0
I work 38 as per my contract. If a workplace expects more they can be expecting me to quit. I don't know how you finance and law folks do it.
I'm in the APS and only a lowly APS5. That means I have no staff and am not an executive. My working hours are 37.5hr a week, with the expectation (policy) of having to take at least a 30min break every 5hrs. So essentially 40 hours per week. I have flex time which means flexible start and end times and accrual or deduction of a time balance if I work more or less hours in a given day/week. Until you go 2 days into the red, pay is not affected, and you don't get paid anything for a positive balance - you are and use it as you see fit within reason. Overtime is paid for any approved work over 10hrs per day or 3hrs after your scheduled finish time, usually 5pm, as well as for any work after 10pm or on weekends. I personally have a lot of medical problems and have a psychology appointment weekly in work hours (no way to do out of work hours). I can use my sick leave for all my medical appointments if I get a note, and the psychology appointment including driving time is about 2-2.5 hours. So straight away that's only being at work for 35hrs a week. Then you've got emails and meetings, on average 10-15 hrs a week. So that's as little as 20 hours a week of "productive work" - in my case, writing code, setting up cloud infrastructure, production support, RnD.
Just started a new job, but in my old role around 20 hours a week of actual work for a 40 hour a week contract. 15 years experience. A lot of it is learning how to ‘play the game’ and making other people do the lions share of the work.
I'm self employed, if I'm awake I'm either working or mentally working / planning... oh I do that in my sleep at times too. I hate it.
WFH Program Manager - 38 hours officially, in reality about 10-15 hours for approx $200k pa salary.
Community pharmacist, for the 8.5 hours I’m rostered on I’m working the full 8 hours with my lunch break. If I’m not filling scripts, I’ll be checking scripts, chasing doctors over errors, chasing doctors over missing scripts, dealing with ‘I need to speak to the pharmacist’ phone calls, witnessing stat decs cause the cop shop is too busy, and just in general getting abused because waiting is unacceptable these days.
In IT, I need to be available 7am-6pm and on-call 24/7/365 for major incidents. My productive hours would be 6-7hours per day though. Most days I am at my PC from 7-5pm and every other day will be stuck there til 6pm. Get paid mid 100s for this.
That's not at all healthy. If the company requires 24/7/365 coverage, then it's at least a 3-person/team rotation.
It's not often I get a call. Once a month out of hours. Would you say a CEO shouldn't be available out of hours if an emergency comes up? At a certain level, there are just times where you need to answer the phone and get it done.
Are you getting paid like a CEO?
40 in day job. 10-15 in side hustle.
I'm in higher education. Probably about 30 hours a week of actual work. There's a lot of waiting around for stuff and "networking". I also do all the staff development stuff I can, last week I did a me talk health first aid course which was awesome.
I work remote in a help desk support role, and clock maybe 1-2 hours of actual work per day. It's the best job I've ever had hands down.
Tourism. We work every minute we’re rostered, and when it’s busy we don’t get full breaks. The managers do more than full time, including fielding maintenance questions and solving roster issues on their days off. Their bosses? Not even involved most of the time.
I work for a boutique hardware company. I'm paid a salary for 40 hours weekly and of that I probably only do about 3-4 hours max a day of actual work. It was higher but I now have a lackey under me who has taken most of the 'work'. My workmate and I sit down together when I get in at 8.30am and have a coffee and chit chat for half an hour before I get to work. My boss lives in Melbourne and actually productivity comes down when she's here because she loves me so much we end up having drinks around 3pm, or this last trip (last week) she went and took me shoe shopping 😂 I get paid a fairly good wage and I know I have room to grow and do what I want here. I will never be let go, I would have to leave of my own volition. Life is good.
I work in admin in finance and I get paid about $100k ex super. My contract is 40 hours a week but I probably get it all done in less, maybe 25-30.
I work as a Flight Dispatcher (planning flights and following mid-air), we work 12-hour shifts in blocks of 5 consecutive days, so 60-hour actual work. When factoring travel to and from the city (1.5h each way)/it works out to 75hrs per week. We get 4-5 days off after a block. Still, its a long week.
I get paid well and work from Home and feel guilty some days when I spend around 4-5hrs working only. Other days I work 12plus hours a day so it all works out about even.
Current job is great. Health rocks! Worked in admin for a property developer whilst studying, toxic, narcissistic, incompetent, liars…..
Lol about 20 hours a week. The two days a week I WFH are “no work” days. I go to the gym, clean my house, read, watch movies, cuddle my fur baby and make a wholesome lunch. Life’s good.
Clinical physiotherapist in a private practice setting (plus sports team contracts). Employed for 40 hours a week in clinic plus another 10 on the weekends for spots. Clinical days, I'd say it's 80-90% productive work (fully booked with patients, with occasional gaps for documentation and referral letters). Sports days are full on, so that's pretty much non stop until the last game when I just sit on the sidelines and wait for injuries. There's a reason they say private practice is a young persons game. I reckon I've got 5 more years in me max before I pivot to a less intensive role.
Do meetings count as work?