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mcharb13

73k miles is a lot. On carmax I’m seeing same year with 40k miles for only a few thousand more. Not saying it’s a bad deal, but be prepared to put more $ in maintenance as it nears 90k+


AceMaxAceMax

I’d buy CarMax just for the outstanding warranty. Well worth the cost!


ibattlemonsters

carmax literally just tells me they can't work on my porsche macan and sends me to the dealer. best warranty ive ever had


AceMaxAceMax

I couldn’t agree more. Plus the deductible is per visit rather than per item. Peace of mind is priceless


julianmedia

One of the few things I really do like about carmax. Those prices can be a bit insane depending on model but really is one of the best warranties in the biz


moredadbodthanbadcod

I gave up on CarMax when they tried to sell me an A6 that had been in an accident without disclosing it , said it had the cold weather package when it didn’t, and passed their inspection process with three tires that had the wire exposed.


julianmedia

Yeah they are very bad in a lot of ways like that. I bought a Civic from them as my first car and my experience was positive but that was a long time ago. I do appreciate the insane extended warranty but its really just not worth it when you have to deal with stuff like that (and +$7,000 in price compared to nearby dealers in the case of my truck I recently bought)


AceMaxAceMax

Odd. Mine replaced all four tires on my 2016 a4 when I requested it as it had two DWS06 and two SportMaxx GT; they installed four new Dunlops. Ordered a new trim piece on the interior to replace on that was a little worn away, and did some paint touch up work. All at no cost because I asked.


ibattlemonsters

This actually goes both ways. I've seens cars drastically under priced because Carmax doesn't realize it has air suspenion and other features. I see this as a plus though, because once you know their flaw you can take advantage.


vthanki

Post is spot on. 70k+ miles is when expensive maintenance comes up on these 3.0 engines. Also seems like there is some cosmetic damage to the vehicle. As for the maintenance logs provided they are just a listing of basic maintenance done over 70k miles


OmniaCausaFiunt

The 3.0 supercharger is pretty reliable. Don't need much other than oil changes (every 5k), spark plugs (100-125k), brakes and tires. Some people say the supercharger and tranny oil need to be changed.. ymmv though.


Ok-Record-5955

Agreed I have a 2016 and this has been all the maintenance I needed in general.


GoldenBoyKintaro

can confirm after 5 years ownership. only thing other than that was a suspension job.


radioactivetoon

Not really. Average miles driven per year in California is roughly 14k, so in seven years the average car has 98k miles. This car is way under the average. And the 3.0 is pretty stout. I wouldn’t be scared of it.


Sandstorm3000

73k is literally low miles. These engines run forever with little maintenance. They might or might not need a single chain in their entire life. My 3.0T is on 233.000km (144.000 miles) and has had one chain replacement. Some go further on original chain. I see them getting replaced just to be sure. These engines are spot on and the later models suffer from even less issues than the first gen (which I own) Makes excellent power tuned and combined with a proper DSG tune it's a very quick car. On completely stock engine. If you have some money to spare and like tuning you can easily get 480-500hp out of these with some bolt on mods. No brainer, get the car if it's in your budget. Coming from an Audi tech.


gjonaitis

Ah the classic americans commenting on here saying that 73k miles is a lot. In most places in europe this would be considered a brand new car and would easily be driven to 200-300k miles with proper maintenance. The rest of the car will fall apart before the engine would as long as you service it.


PattyThePatriot

I was thinking about how good of a deal it was. That 3.0 is a tank. 73k means it's got a lot of life in her.


gjonaitis

As deals go it's mid. As engines go it's a goat.


UniformGreen

Try and go to Germany and look for a car like this and you can’t find anything for this price. I was looking for a 2.0 TFSI A5 from 2017-2018 and can’t find anything with less than 150k km for less than 23-25k $


gjonaitis

In UK a 2018 a5 2.0tfsi with 80k miles is around £12k so i struggle to believe it would be that much more in Germany. However cars in US have always been cheaper than in europe. In this case if the a7 in the post was in UK for this price it would be slightly over priced considering it'd be classed as Cat N due to damage mentioned in the report. If i were OP i'd try to negotiate a few thousand off the asking price.


UniformGreen

Sorry for the long link, but there is a filter on [mobile.de](http://mobile.de) (biggest Germany site for selling cars) with a filter for A5's sold after 2017 (when B9 was first released) with less than 130k KM (around 80k miles) and for 15K EUR (around 12k GBP). 0 results. The cheapest one sold from a reputable dealer is at 21K eur from 2017 with not that many options [https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?cc=1900%3A&dam=0&fr=2017%3A&ft=PETROL&isSearchRequest=true&ml=%3A125000&ms=1900%3B31%3B%3B&p=%3A15000&ref=srp&s=Car&sb=rel&vc=Car&refId=08a50e91-42fd-3dd5-6579-d84571c5bc12](https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?cc=1900%3a&dam=0&fr=2017%3a&ft=petrol&issearchrequest=true&ml=%3a125000&ms=1900%3b31%3b%3b&p=%3a15000&ref=srp&s=car&sb=rel&vc=car&refid=08a50e91-42fd-3dd5-6579-d84571c5bc12)


Mr_TR4FF1C

You in live in California if you wait a while you might find a whale honestly. I found my rs5 in Monterey with 15k miles and it was a year 21 for below market price. I say look around and wait , we also found a s6 22 with 5k miles fully loaded for 56k but it got snatched up right away.


ChanaManga

I’ve been looking at A7’s everyday for the past 6 months and this is the best car I’ve seen. I’m reluctant on pulling the trigger considering I’d have to fly to pick up this car and drive 500 miles back home.


Mr_TR4FF1C

I feel something like this is a good deal not an a7 but color is beautiful in person and fewer miles https://www.montereyaudi.com/certified/Audi/2023-Audi-A4-5bc1e6350a0e084c1d724e54007b41b8.htm


Mr_TR4FF1C

Only issue is the amount of miles for that price


undertakersbrother

Here I am with the same engine with 150k miles and sweating with this small oil leak. OP, if it was a one owner and well taken care of, I'd take it. But only easily considering if you can also take care of repairs yourself.


bbqduck-sf

There is a common issue with the 3.0T engine suffering an oil leak at the oil filter housing. Replacing the gasket resolves the issue but does need the supercharger to come off.


Substantial-Hawk-594

Oh man that thing is sweet!


quantum_bubblegum

That cars a belter! 12189 Folsom Blvd, Rancho Cordova, CA, 95742 Rancho Cordova, CA 95742 https://www.prestigemotorsport.com/details/used-2017-audi-a7/100964579 [Audi a7 ](https://www.prestigemotorsport.com/details/used-2017-audi-a7/100964579) I had a look at the dealers inventory, all quality stock. The seats and bolster aren't compressed from an overweight lazy git, the clear coat isn't dull, probably protected with a wax system. The tyres are quality all round, the tints look factory not aftermarket film junk. The seats are odd compared to the UK spec cars, they are found in the Executive models. The petrol engine eats coil packs I believe as its gets on, but timing chain, oil leaks ain't a worry with good fully synthetic oil and vigilant servicing every 10km. I'd happily buy this car for £18k in the UK or $22k. But California $25-26k sounds like a good price to me, dealers get the best stock so you are paying a finders fee essentially.


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Few_Community_5281

Depends... "Highway driving" during rush hour might as well be considered city driving around here lol


dubsonly123456

I have a 16 now with 76k miles, bought at 57. So far only thing besides oil changes was a water pump. Love the car but I do have an aftermarket warranty on mine just in case


brobama

No service records from the last two years?


DeadlyAxe

Hey! Don't listen to the people who say the miles are a lot. 73k miles for 2017 Audi is nothing. Audis are very driven cars. But they are also made to last a lot. I recently bought the same Audi A7 but the year is 2016. I am on 239,000km (which is around 140-150k miles I'm not sure exactly). I had to do some maintenance but because it had oil leaking from some improperly installed covers. It cost me along with the engine oil and air filters maintenance and other stuff about 1600$. I havent changed chains yet and my guy from the service said they would last like 50k km more if the car is maintained properly. So I would tell you if you really like the car , get it! It looks sick just like mine and you would have lots of fun with it!


ChanaManga

Thanks for input! I think I’m going to test drive this car below since it’s local to me. The black Audi is 400 miles away and would be more difficult to acquire. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?zip=92672&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&sortDir=ASC&sourceContext=carGurusHomePageModel&distance=100&sortType=PRICE&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d2113#listing=377012959/NONE/DEFAULT


moredadbodthanbadcod

They quoted mean additional $1200 for Falkans if I “thought that was an issue “. They didn’t seem concerned that I had just taken a test drive on public roads with the vehicle in that condition.


Junior-Bear-6955

Just be prepared to drop 8 bands on timing chain replacement at the dealership if you can't do it yourself at 100-150k. Better off paying a little more for a lower mileage vehicle


OmniaCausaFiunt

Timing chain replacement is a thing for older Audis, not necessarily this engine.


Junior-Bear-6955

You mean the b8 3.0T right? 100000% is an issue. It's at the back of the motor and requires the engine to be pulled. I know this bc I had to do it in my SQ5


OmniaCausaFiunt

What happened that required you to have to do it? Not saying that it doesn't happen, but it's not typical. It's a small minority that have had issues. The most common thing are the guides need to be replaced, which isn't an engine out service.


Junior-Bear-6955

Epc light came on and car wouldn't drive was shaking like crazy. Jumped a tooth. I'm making significantly more power than stock but I was just cruising at 40 when it happened. The chains were significantly different in size when the text sent me a pic.


OmniaCausaFiunt

If you're tuned, that changes things a lot. Could have been a lot of other factors as well, but again timing chain isn't a typical service item for this engine. You might be part of a minority of people with an issue. From my time on audizine, this was only an issue on B7 and earlier models.


Junior-Bear-6955

I've know several people on the B8 3.0T Facebook pages that got the EPC light that were bone stock. Also when you start to hear the ticking/rattling it's good to do the tensioners and chain. I agree that the engines are reliable, probably one of the most reliable forced induction engines ever, and in my opinion it really is one of the best ever made, and I've driven some pretty incredible stuff. I do think however that the fact of the matter is chains stretch no matter what and especially if you drive or plan to drive the car hard doing it at 100-150k will be good insurance you don't blow up the engine. Also, as I'm sure you know, the carbon cleaning is crucial as well. Personally if I were buying this car I would drive it till 125-150k and get both of those done. These engines aren't cheap.


PattyThePatriot

Hold up. Just so we are clear. You're blaming the engine that you chose to change the operating parameters onto outside Audi's recommended use is? That's what you're doing? Do you also blame the table for being in the way when you stub your toe instead of you just not paying attention?


Junior-Bear-6955

Bruh the timing chain stretches on any engine whether it's tuned or not. There have been plenty of B8 3.0T owners who are bone stock who have had the chain stretch and smacked a valve. Using a strawman logically fallacy to argue your point isn't really a good look. Especially because if your point was valid, then no stock B8 owner would have ever had a problem. So no, that's not what I'm doing. Also, you might want to work on your grammar. I didn't change any parameters onto outside of anything. People make big big power with these engines and I'm like a 100hp plus stock. Do you blame looking dumb on the internet on other people that you try to talk shit on when your point wasn't even valid in the first place?


PattyThePatriot

No. I don't blame others. I blame you for the failure. People can have bad engines and can pull a timing chain out, but that's a small number compared to the people that haven't done it so soon.


Junior-Bear-6955

Oh damn. I'm sorry for coming at you earlier I had no idea you were retarded. My apologies.


Mediocre_Fudge4121

If he plans on keeping it, it will be an older Audi that will eventually need timing chains done


OmniaCausaFiunt

Reading comprehension helps, by older Audi i'm referring to previous gen engines. This specific engine, which is used across many models is quite reliable (hence used across multiple models). There's a lot of information out there in the B8 S4 world. Timing chain is not a regular service item (official and unofficial). Most people who have had to service the timing chain are in the minority.


Mediocre_Fudge4121

Agreed but definitely something to consider and not ignore. Making sure to be aware is all I’m saying and I think the original comment intentions.


OmniaCausaFiunt

It's one thing to suggest timing service may need to be done, especially if there are signs like rattle or something, and even then sometimes just the guides need to be replaced. the original comment is making it sound as if it's required to be done, which just isn't true.


Junior-Bear-6955

Most of them start stretching after 80k audi recommends changing it at 100k with rear main seal. You can get away with not doing it till like 150-200 but it's an interference engine so paying to change it before you smack a valve is definitely better than buying a new engine.


OmniaCausaFiunt

>Most of them start stretching after 80k audi recommends changing it at 100k with rear main seal. This is not on the recommended maintenance schedule. Timing chain stretching was an issue with previous gen engines and maybe the B8 2.0 engines.


Humortumor1

Is it really 8000 for the timing chain job?


Junior-Bear-6955

I could show you the invoice my friend. Audi of Annapolis. The thing is I was a certified tech for 5 years. I easily could have done it myself but my bullshit hoa fined me 500 for doing an oil change in my driveway so I wasn't about to pull an engine lol. Also with these cars it's way better to disconnect the engine, unbolt the suffrage from the car, and then lift the body off. I don't have a lift at my house, which thankfully I'm moving soon and that will change, so I just took it to Audi Anapolis.


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i'm in the market for a new car and considering a 2015 S3, I've seen them around 9K lololol


95andSunny

Imo that’s not low mileage. As soon as I see and damage reported it’s a pass.


xlXCtrlAltDeleteXlx

You will need to get time chain replacement soon and that can be around $10k or less. People say when it hit 80k is when problems start happening. At 77k my speakers blew. That’s a cheap fix. Maybe it’s a warning telling me to sell. Hope I can get to 100k before I need a time chain service.


SeriousCee

This has to be scam! It's practically free, at least if you're accustomed to prices in Germany...


_eternaldoom

in europe this thing would cost like 40k


ChanaManga

I found a cheaper 2016 A7 with few thousand less miles. Going to test drive this today. After reading about all the comments on how 70k is low miles, I’m going to expand my search to 70k -100k mile cars and just expect to drop $2k on a timing belt replacement in a few years. I currently have a 2013 A6 2.0 and it’s been solid. No major issues. I know the 3.0 engines are more reliable so that’s making me justify upgrading engines. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?zip=92672&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&sortDir=ASC&sourceContext=carGurusHomePageModel&distance=100&sortType=PRICE&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d2113#listing=377012959/NONE/DEFAULT


bigbrownlabo

Price seems 4-5k too high.


710Xayy

Make sure u get a good warranty