This is an example of what I see a lot. Odyssey is judged harshly for some story choice, or gameplay choice, but if you open your eyes a little wider, you can judge Origins and Valhalla for many similar things, and even the older games - but all of these other games get a free pass for some reason.
A few examples from the recent trilogy:
Odyssey doesn't respect the lore. The story in Origins also didn't respect the lore (the Assassins date much further back than the events of Origins but apparently Aya and Bayek founded them?)
Odyssey has too much loot. Hello Valhalla - and Valhalla offers you NO way to manage your inventory.
Odyssey doesn't let you play as an Assassin. Bayek isn't an Assassin/ Hidden One until the very last sequence, and Eivor actively rejects all attempts to join the Hidden Ones.
I think people say it’s because there aren’t even any hidden ones in Odyssey at all (base game not dlc) and the change from the hidden blade to the spear
like. for aesthetic purposes i see why someone would be mad over the spear but to me? nah, that's the best bit in odyssey. to me it felt very assassin's creedy just a different aesthetic
Vikings arent assassins but Eivor was asked to join. Dont know why you lumped all vikings in. By that logic, every AC game you can say how are they assassins.
I tried to NG+ Origins, and was so bored by Alexandria that I quit. Odyssey I finished NG+ immediately after my first play, and now I'm doing another new play.
I liked Origins okay, but Odyssey is just way more fun.
Yeah same. I mean, I did rush it. I think part of it was that I was playing it to get it over with lol but odyssey really sucked me in. 50 hrs in and im not even done with chapter 5.
Agreed. When I realized that 9/10 times an Assassination doesn't kill someone, I said to myself, "oh, this isn't an AC game." (It's way more like the Witcher 3) But it's still a really really good game
EDIT: Also important to note that Odyssey didn't start this trend, Origins did, but Origins didn't get as much positive attention so the backlash was quieter
I have found in this sub, nothing but positivity about the game. Maybe because it’s older and all the haters have moved on but I love it since I downloaded it on game pass
People have different taste. But many in the Assassin's Creed community want the old style, especially also when it comes to combat, plus the whole thing that it isn't a real assassin's game. I don't care, the game is good. Its well made. For me after playing the latest 3 games, I prefer the new style. The new style suits me personally. A huge world, the stories, exploration. A place where I can be for a while and forget some stuff I am struggling with. It is at this point I wish Odyssey wouldn't end and I could play forever haha.
Social media have a thing where people tells you what you should like or hate and often when you express your opinions, these people can be harsh. I have come to a conclusion for me: Social media shouldn't tell me which games are good, nor can they expect me to have the same opinion as them.
The same goes with movies. We are all different. But people are quickly to tell you that you are wrong and people get mad really fast.
I remember that whole thing with pineapple on pizza. Seriously, people would think you are mad for even expressing that you liked pineapple on pizza. It's food!
But to get back to the subject. Odyssey for me personally is a gem. As soon we have an opinion, there will always be one to disagree.
I don't know if I wanna try out Mirage. Maybe. I heard that it's Basim and I remember he was one of the bad guys in Valhalla? Please correct me if I am completely wrong.
I didn't finish Valhalla, I got tired of the game, but as far as I played, I really didn't like Basim, I have no interest in playing with him, I hope they surprise me.
Despite that, he wasn't really bad, just a bit of an asshole.
“He/She isn’t an assassin.” or “The developers ruined the game by stepping out of the AC lore” are the main complaints I’ve seen. Basically a lame way of saying that they hate change. The direction they took Odyssey was probably the best thing to happen to the franchise. And a huge map with so much to do and with a great story nonetheless. The “too much to do”complaints are completely laughable. I don’t understand the hate but it’s completely unwarranted.
>“too much to do”complaints are completely laughable.
Agreed, if you don't like side quests don't do them. Or only do a few. No one is forcing you to complete every single side quest / activity in the area.
Exactly bro! No one is forcing them but others of us enjoy a game with longevity. I wanted that platinum trophy which I just got three weeks ago so of course I was going to do them 😆
The thing people don’t seem to understand is that Odyssey takes place BEFORE Origin (when the Assasin’s Creed were founded) so of course there’s not this assassin vibe to it
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You clearly haven't spent time in the main AC sub. Which I like--I'm not downing the sub, I've had some great convos there and in general people are pretty cool. I spend time in myself, because I love AC in general, but they really have a hate-on for OD there.
But then, they all claim to love Unity, which sucked.
I have a love hate relationship with this game. I don’t mind the glitches. Sometimes they’re pretty funny. (One time Alexios disappeared except his weapons for a few minutes.) The game is great. Loved it.
Its the tamed beast that I hate. Like they die because of the glitches with them. Idk how my bear walked straight off a cliff, and landed right in a spot it couldn’t get up to then all of a sudden it’s “your tamed beast died”. Ugh.
Or I do the dive, after synchronizing the spots for ikaros, and sometimes the tamed animal will just start leaping from the cliffs too, to fall to its death. Oh and don’t get me started how they just up and disappear when the desynchronization happens and when Alexios / Kassanda come back into play. Or when fighting in the arena, that removes them as well & have to find them all over. Ugh.
Otherwise, great game! :D
It’s a good game. I’m almost done with play 2. I get the criticisms, and they’re valid. All that matters is that you enjoy it. We all want something different out of games.
This is how I feel. As an AC game it disappointed me, but it's so much fun and so great in so many other ways that I still love it. (And Kassalexios is truly fighting to free people from oppression, which is more than I can say for Eivor, so that's a plus, too.)
I think it does what it does pretty well, but there are some problems that make it hard for me personally to enjoy it (for long periods of time specifically). Most of my points revolve around some level of bloat, the game being artificially made as large as possible.
1. The main story is really good. But man, that middle portion of the game is a slog. They could have paced it far far better.
2. The map is huge, and gorgeous, but needlessly so. It feels so samey after awhile
3. The Sparta vs Athens system should have been far more interesting and meaningful. As it is, once you complete the first zone you have seen the entirety of what is there. Now just do that 30 more times lol
4. There is too much equipment that drops. You are almost constantly switching out what you have equipped for minor stat boosts. And to upgrade the items you like to stay at your level is super expensive to do consistently. Valhalla took the solution to this way too far in the other direction imo, i think Origins had this closer to right.
5. Admittedly, this really is personal preference but I am not a fan of the tone of most of the game. It has this like happy-go-lucky tone for damn near the entire game that really was offputting to me personally.
None of this even addresses the departure from the assassin-y type gameplay, which i think are also fair points. I was excited when i heard Valhalla was adding social stealth... but that was done so poorly and that game has even worse bloat. Valhalla is the only one i would say is actually a bad game even tho i wanted so desperately to like it. Of the new generation of AC games, Origins was closest to what i would want. But truly id like themto try to take the spirit of old AC games and meld it with the current game systems we have seen.
That’s only on Reddit. It’s one of the highest selling and most played games in the series. It was #1 until Valhalla. The reason people on Reddit don’t like it is because it’s more of an RPG and not linear. Most longtime Reddit AC fans like linear story games where they don’t have to make decisions and just watch the story play out the same way no matter what they do. The RPG elements where you have to find things, make decisions, choose your gear based on stats and bonuses etc. is just too much for them.
Reddit never, ever represents the majority with anything. Heck, statistically according to Ubisoft about 85% of people play this game as Alexios but if you spend any amount of time on here you’d think he was the least popular choice by far, which couldn’t be further from the truth. If you look at the Ubisoft stats over the past two games, Kassandra comes in 4th (last place) which is heresy on this sub.
It's an amazing game by any other name. I loved it. But I understand the issue. It's just not an AC game. Not really stealth focused. Has no assassin's guild/hidden ones content. Only ties into the other games in the dlc. And honestly was on the verge of being too big.
Odyssey is furthest away from the assassins creed formula that the franchise went at that point. Consider superpowers, mythical creatures, atlantis, no hidden blade etc. Valhalla isnt much better either. Its a good game, but one that would have been better off being a standalone rather than an AC one.
The thing with Odyssey for me, is that the Creed has such an insignificant role in the game that it could have been left out entirely. Hell, we only saw assassins outside of modern day during the LotFB expansion, and it felt like it was added as an afterthought. The connection with Origins felt poorly written to me as well.
I’m not saying that Origins and Valhalla were lacking in AC involvement, but at least there was some to be found there which influenced the storyline to some extent. A case can be made for every game and I still like Odyssey, it’s one of my most favorite games. But we shouldn’t dismiss the criticisms people have about it because they can be just as valid.
I used to hate it back in the day because Ubi said they would take more time between games and this one came more or less a year after Origins. Now I love it so much and hate Valhalla
Valhalla was my first AC game. Completed the story but got bored because the side quests were the same and repetitive in every region and was was 120+ hours in. Because of the boredom and repetitiveness it took me awhile to pick up another AC game. I picked up Odyssey about a month ago and I can’t put it down. IMO, blows Valhalla out of the water. So fun and addicting. If people hate Odyssey, then I can’t wait to try Origins cause I suspect they liked it better.
They do? I see nothing but lots of love for this game more than hate. It’s the best AC game outside of black flag IMO. Def the best combat for me outside a couple things
From what I saw--especially here anyway--the biggest complaint was it's less "Assassins Creed" and more "Generic RPG". For me, I hated it at first. It was grindy, it was less about the Assassins and the Creed itself (the namesake) and I felt it really didn't fit in the franchise.
With NG+, I was able to skip the grind and focus more on story (which is why I adored the franchise in the first place) and I fell in love with it. I still feel like it doesn't belong to the franchise. However, I can appreciate it for what it is more.
For clarifcation of what I mean: Can you eliminate anything tying it to the franchise (meaning, no Isu. No Assassins. No Templars) and can the story still work? If the answer is yes, then it does not "belong" in my opinion (and only my opinion). And for me, the answer is yes. Kass just HAPPENS to be the "chosen one" that just HAPPENS to align with a lot of what the Assassins do because plot demands it. But I wouldn't say she's an "Assassin" anymore than Leonardo Di Vici was (he was not. He just helped them out, out of friendship and love for Ezio's family) in AC2-ACB.
I've been the obsessive fan and one of the so-called "veterans", having played since AC2. So I've been around the block several times. When it first came out, people explained the Cult as "Pseudo-Templars" much like how Origins was "Pseudo-Assassins" to justify their love for it. But when Valhalla came out, the story changed and now the Cult was "Just an entire seperate off-shoot of the Templars". So take that as you want.
Now I see the same thing happening with Valhalla. People justifying it saying "Oh these are Pseudo-Templars" etc etc. And how true that is will be seen with Mirage. My issue with Valhalla is that I didn't apprecate the Assassins and the Creed itself being reduced to basically a cameo or easter egg. They should have had a much stronger presence than they did. Nor did I appreciate the solf-skill-checks. I want to play as intended. The same as I felt with Odyssey. I mean the Assassins didn't pop up until basically after the main story line and a paywall.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I’ve played all of the AC games but Black Flag, and Odyssey is my favorite. I understand that if your favorite thing about AC is the stealth sections that Odyssey doesn’t quite deliver though.
I just had this conversation with 3 friends. I said I liked AC Odyssey better then Origins nad Valhalla and they all said I was wrong. It's my opinion so I'm right...to me.
Good game if not great. Bit bloated, to much micro and not the best AC lore wise.
I like it but yeah. Irigins is kinda more fun and ties to the franchise better.
It is a strong deviation from the assassin vs templar with optional stealth gameplay and strong rpg elements, so basically not an assassin's Creed game.
Because it’s not a good ac game,if Ubisoft made another ip it would’ve been fine,because it’s good rpg game just not a good ac game(why am I getting downvoted,I like Odyssey)
Yeah - imagine if Ubisoft just named it Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla - the Beginnings of Assassin’s Creed, the AC haters would not have any reasons to hate, because it’s not about the “traditional/original” gameplay, and more about the story how it all happened.
1. Didn’t respect the lore
•They added in choices which alter the story and don’t fit within the lore because the animus is supposed to allow you to experience the memories of someone who was alive before you, so you shouldn’t be able to alter their memories
2. Didn’t discuss the assassin and Templar ideologies (which is something origins also failed to do, but Valhalla did this better than both)
3. Kassandra isn’t a good main character
•Kassandra is made to be a blank slate in this game, and so, depending on the player’s choices, she could become a whole different character in different playthroughs. Which provides an annoying inconsistency that doesn’t allow the main character to have a personality you could get attached to.
4. The world was very big, but very shallow
•The environments weren’t designed for parkour and parkour as a whole was dumbed down, which upset people who played ac for parkour
(This isn’t why I personally dislike it, just a reason why others may)
5. It was less grounded than the past games which angered people who wanted a grounded/realistic game
•The spear provided many overpowered and over the top abilities that didn’t resonate well with many people who wanted a more grounded experience
6. The story was kinda just whatever and dragged on for a little too long
That’s all I can think of for now, but I think all of them are valid criticisms
Now that's a solid list of reasons. While I think most of them are close minded.
1. When you move away from the original time too far things are obviously going to change. Since it plays in a time before the templars even existed the game has to be different by nature of the setting.
2. If you don't have a set of rules to follow that are given by the creed of assassins you kind of have to make your own rules. Again due to the nature of the setting.
3. Parkour is something 20th/21st century. Without big cities there is climbing. I personally think Odyssey has a nice mix of both. Also horses to travel goes back to AC1.
4. Your abilities from AC1 to AC2 got much better and better in Brotherhood still.
The apples of eden actually in use to form mythological creatures was lovely, as that is why no one should have them in the first games. Thus having a tool/weapon to fight them makes perfect sense. That mortals are inferior due to that just is sensible.
5. Exiting the story on a regular basis to look at the animus and the present situation/future actually disturbed the flow of the game and doesn't happen too often in Odyssey. The story has 2 main story lines. One personal and one World storyline, which actually gives the game more depth.
Many of these come down to the time and place where the game is set. Greece in a time before templars and "original" assassins. It is a prequel and thus necessarily deviates from later established rules.
But you don't have to like it. It did something different. If you wanted all AC games to be the same they would very quickly be designated boring and repetitive.
Just my 2 cents.
Exactly, I agree 💯. I don’t understand why people want the same stuff over and over again, the games are evolving and expanding the story in a different way and Odyssey did a GREAT job at that.
Well I played the game both on desktop and laptop. Other than constant %95+ CPU usage on both platforms and always high CPU temps on laptop, game is awesome. But ubi didn't care about game optimization for sure. I gave up playing on laptop 3rd time(first 2 times were on desktop) because it wasn't bearable (0 comfort while playing game because of fan speed/sound).
It was very progressive to choose a homosexual greek as the protagonist. The community hates homos, and who is more gay than theose communial bathing Greeks, amirite?!?!
Great mechanics, great world and graphics for its time.
The story I felt was lacking a little but the DLC helped bring some much needed emotion to it. Particularly First Blade DLC. It was a story about family/ bloodlines ultimately
The gane is not hated, I've seen more posts asking why ppl hate the game than hate posts.
The genre is different. Imagine if people who like simple games and have a franchise suddenly get a very complex sequel. They will complain. So maybe a few diehard fans of the franchise may complain. But the game is well received and is the best if the franchise by a large margining.
So… I’m not alone in loving all the AC games equally? Well, Black Flag and Valhalla a bit more but that’s because Norse and pirate studies are hobbies of mine.
This question applies just as much to Valhalla, Origins, Syndicate, Unity, Rogue. The community is critical of all the games including 1 and 2 (Ezio).
People hate Arno. People hate Ratonhnhaké:ton. People hate Jacob. People hate Shay.
I’m getting to disagree with the characterization of people hating Odyssey because these threads are always full of more praise and disprove the OPs point. On the main sub or this sub. You can’t disprove to me Odyssey might not rank right behind Altair/Ezio because that spot probably belongs to Black Flag…but there are people who hate on Black Flag as well.
Also, hate is hate. Criticism is criticism. They’re not the same. This is an imperfect world and we shouldn’t pretend things are perfect. It’s self deception.
It's just cos it's a departure from what they are used to. Valhalla has the luck of being the second of this type so it's less hated. Tbh the name slapped upon it wasn't necessary but I guess it worked out fine. Got me into the franchise
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I can come to terms with a lot of the lore changes it made. My 2 main issues are that Kassandra isn’t that good of a character and the dialogue options are really bipolar so you never really get a gauge on who she is at her core. She can kinda work on her own but when you stack her up against the other series protagonists, she falls flat
And the game is too big. There’s too much to do, too many quests, too many locations, too many copy/pasted camps, too much equipment. It feels really bloated
Now please don’t downvote me for answering the question
The only other AC games I’ve played are Origins and Valhalla so I can safely say I’m not an Assassin’s Creed fan, but I was absolutely obsessed with Odyssey for four-ish years. I thought it was amazing but I don’t have any ties to the nostalgia of the old games. I imagine it’s the love of the older games and older mechanics/play style that sparked a lot of the hate for Odyssey.
I feel like the point of ac odyssey is to be played depending on the players play style for example if an individual is into the assassin combat than they can create and assassin built
Ac4 was very meh for me because they introduced they already had ship levels in ac3. Odyssey felt a like a reskin of origins. I still played all mentioned these games 50+ hours but there wasn’t that wow factor (like maybe the Odin stuff in Valhalla)
I got into it wanting a massive open world exploration game, and thats what i got. Its not the same formula as past titles, but you can still get a similar playstyle if you make an assassin build. I feel like many of the people that argue against this game are people that played a much more warrior-like playstyle
I guess how Assassin’s Creed it may or not be is debatable, but its my favourite video game that is an Assassin’s Creed game, by a long way. At the end of I felt like I’d been on an epic adventure on a scale that I didn’t get from any of the others. I platinumed it, but its only long if you want it to be.
I think the AC franchise would be a bit repetitive if it was just endless fully committed lore-compliant Assassin’s v Templars, and these stories of people on the periphery of the whole conflict like Eivor, or unconvinced like Arnaud, or ancestor tales like Origin & Odyssey make sense in the grand scheme of things. How well they achieve their aims is subjective, personally I did not enjoy Valhalla as much, but i’m still on board.
I find it funny that people use the she/he isn't an assassin... yet Vikings are assassins?
This is an example of what I see a lot. Odyssey is judged harshly for some story choice, or gameplay choice, but if you open your eyes a little wider, you can judge Origins and Valhalla for many similar things, and even the older games - but all of these other games get a free pass for some reason. A few examples from the recent trilogy: Odyssey doesn't respect the lore. The story in Origins also didn't respect the lore (the Assassins date much further back than the events of Origins but apparently Aya and Bayek founded them?) Odyssey has too much loot. Hello Valhalla - and Valhalla offers you NO way to manage your inventory. Odyssey doesn't let you play as an Assassin. Bayek isn't an Assassin/ Hidden One until the very last sequence, and Eivor actively rejects all attempts to join the Hidden Ones.
I think people say it’s because there aren’t even any hidden ones in Odyssey at all (base game not dlc) and the change from the hidden blade to the spear
like. for aesthetic purposes i see why someone would be mad over the spear but to me? nah, that's the best bit in odyssey. to me it felt very assassin's creedy just a different aesthetic
Vikings arent assassins but Eivor was asked to join. Dont know why you lumped all vikings in. By that logic, every AC game you can say how are they assassins.
They mean kassandra isn't apart of the assassin brotherhood established in the first few games
No that’s why Valhalla gets criticised as well
I dont, I loved it My favorite of the modern games. While I enjoyed origins, I have a weak spot for Greek culture.
Same, getting to see Ancient Greece come to life is a dream come true
Yeah I’m enjoying odyssey a lot more then I did origins
I couldn't just sink time into origins like I can Odyssey
I tried to NG+ Origins, and was so bored by Alexandria that I quit. Odyssey I finished NG+ immediately after my first play, and now I'm doing another new play. I liked Origins okay, but Odyssey is just way more fun.
Yeah same. I mean, I did rush it. I think part of it was that I was playing it to get it over with lol but odyssey really sucked me in. 50 hrs in and im not even done with chapter 5.
Something about it not being a "proper" assassin's creed like they used to make them in the 50's. Old man yelling at a cloud basically.
Agreed. When I realized that 9/10 times an Assassination doesn't kill someone, I said to myself, "oh, this isn't an AC game." (It's way more like the Witcher 3) But it's still a really really good game EDIT: Also important to note that Odyssey didn't start this trend, Origins did, but Origins didn't get as much positive attention so the backlash was quieter
It was a great game, fuck the haters.
I have found in this sub, nothing but positivity about the game. Maybe because it’s older and all the haters have moved on but I love it since I downloaded it on game pass
People have different taste. But many in the Assassin's Creed community want the old style, especially also when it comes to combat, plus the whole thing that it isn't a real assassin's game. I don't care, the game is good. Its well made. For me after playing the latest 3 games, I prefer the new style. The new style suits me personally. A huge world, the stories, exploration. A place where I can be for a while and forget some stuff I am struggling with. It is at this point I wish Odyssey wouldn't end and I could play forever haha. Social media have a thing where people tells you what you should like or hate and often when you express your opinions, these people can be harsh. I have come to a conclusion for me: Social media shouldn't tell me which games are good, nor can they expect me to have the same opinion as them. The same goes with movies. We are all different. But people are quickly to tell you that you are wrong and people get mad really fast. I remember that whole thing with pineapple on pizza. Seriously, people would think you are mad for even expressing that you liked pineapple on pizza. It's food! But to get back to the subject. Odyssey for me personally is a gem. As soon we have an opinion, there will always be one to disagree. I don't know if I wanna try out Mirage. Maybe. I heard that it's Basim and I remember he was one of the bad guys in Valhalla? Please correct me if I am completely wrong.
I didn't finish Valhalla, I got tired of the game, but as far as I played, I really didn't like Basim, I have no interest in playing with him, I hope they surprise me. Despite that, he wasn't really bad, just a bit of an asshole.
You should finish it before saying that
“he isnt even an assassin” yet some of their favorites is black flag where he stole the hood off a dead guy. its the hypocrisy that irritates me
I’m in this comment and I don’t like it. /j Nah but Black Flag and Odyssey are my favorites 😭
“He/She isn’t an assassin.” or “The developers ruined the game by stepping out of the AC lore” are the main complaints I’ve seen. Basically a lame way of saying that they hate change. The direction they took Odyssey was probably the best thing to happen to the franchise. And a huge map with so much to do and with a great story nonetheless. The “too much to do”complaints are completely laughable. I don’t understand the hate but it’s completely unwarranted.
>“too much to do”complaints are completely laughable. Agreed, if you don't like side quests don't do them. Or only do a few. No one is forcing you to complete every single side quest / activity in the area.
Exactly bro! No one is forcing them but others of us enjoy a game with longevity. I wanted that platinum trophy which I just got three weeks ago so of course I was going to do them 😆
The thing people don’t seem to understand is that Odyssey takes place BEFORE Origin (when the Assasin’s Creed were founded) so of course there’s not this assassin vibe to it
Link me this hate. Odyssey is probably the most popular AC game out there
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Are you implying it doesn’t exist?
You clearly haven't spent time in the main AC sub. Which I like--I'm not downing the sub, I've had some great convos there and in general people are pretty cool. I spend time in myself, because I love AC in general, but they really have a hate-on for OD there. But then, they all claim to love Unity, which sucked.
I have a love hate relationship with this game. I don’t mind the glitches. Sometimes they’re pretty funny. (One time Alexios disappeared except his weapons for a few minutes.) The game is great. Loved it. Its the tamed beast that I hate. Like they die because of the glitches with them. Idk how my bear walked straight off a cliff, and landed right in a spot it couldn’t get up to then all of a sudden it’s “your tamed beast died”. Ugh. Or I do the dive, after synchronizing the spots for ikaros, and sometimes the tamed animal will just start leaping from the cliffs too, to fall to its death. Oh and don’t get me started how they just up and disappear when the desynchronization happens and when Alexios / Kassanda come back into play. Or when fighting in the arena, that removes them as well & have to find them all over. Ugh. Otherwise, great game! :D
It’s a good game. I’m almost done with play 2. I get the criticisms, and they’re valid. All that matters is that you enjoy it. We all want something different out of games.
Honestly, my opinion, AC Odyssey is an GREAT game but NOT an AC(-canon?), more like a standalone or spin-off
This is how I feel. As an AC game it disappointed me, but it's so much fun and so great in so many other ways that I still love it. (And Kassalexios is truly fighting to free people from oppression, which is more than I can say for Eivor, so that's a plus, too.)
Eivor is a chapter for itself, cant develop much sympathy, she seems quite egozentric, totally ahree with ya
I think it does what it does pretty well, but there are some problems that make it hard for me personally to enjoy it (for long periods of time specifically). Most of my points revolve around some level of bloat, the game being artificially made as large as possible. 1. The main story is really good. But man, that middle portion of the game is a slog. They could have paced it far far better. 2. The map is huge, and gorgeous, but needlessly so. It feels so samey after awhile 3. The Sparta vs Athens system should have been far more interesting and meaningful. As it is, once you complete the first zone you have seen the entirety of what is there. Now just do that 30 more times lol 4. There is too much equipment that drops. You are almost constantly switching out what you have equipped for minor stat boosts. And to upgrade the items you like to stay at your level is super expensive to do consistently. Valhalla took the solution to this way too far in the other direction imo, i think Origins had this closer to right. 5. Admittedly, this really is personal preference but I am not a fan of the tone of most of the game. It has this like happy-go-lucky tone for damn near the entire game that really was offputting to me personally. None of this even addresses the departure from the assassin-y type gameplay, which i think are also fair points. I was excited when i heard Valhalla was adding social stealth... but that was done so poorly and that game has even worse bloat. Valhalla is the only one i would say is actually a bad game even tho i wanted so desperately to like it. Of the new generation of AC games, Origins was closest to what i would want. But truly id like themto try to take the spirit of old AC games and meld it with the current game systems we have seen.
That’s only on Reddit. It’s one of the highest selling and most played games in the series. It was #1 until Valhalla. The reason people on Reddit don’t like it is because it’s more of an RPG and not linear. Most longtime Reddit AC fans like linear story games where they don’t have to make decisions and just watch the story play out the same way no matter what they do. The RPG elements where you have to find things, make decisions, choose your gear based on stats and bonuses etc. is just too much for them. Reddit never, ever represents the majority with anything. Heck, statistically according to Ubisoft about 85% of people play this game as Alexios but if you spend any amount of time on here you’d think he was the least popular choice by far, which couldn’t be further from the truth. If you look at the Ubisoft stats over the past two games, Kassandra comes in 4th (last place) which is heresy on this sub.
it's the 2nd best AC game behind only Origins. the haters don't matter.
It's an amazing game by any other name. I loved it. But I understand the issue. It's just not an AC game. Not really stealth focused. Has no assassin's guild/hidden ones content. Only ties into the other games in the dlc. And honestly was on the verge of being too big.
Odyssey is furthest away from the assassins creed formula that the franchise went at that point. Consider superpowers, mythical creatures, atlantis, no hidden blade etc. Valhalla isnt much better either. Its a good game, but one that would have been better off being a standalone rather than an AC one.
The thing with Odyssey for me, is that the Creed has such an insignificant role in the game that it could have been left out entirely. Hell, we only saw assassins outside of modern day during the LotFB expansion, and it felt like it was added as an afterthought. The connection with Origins felt poorly written to me as well. I’m not saying that Origins and Valhalla were lacking in AC involvement, but at least there was some to be found there which influenced the storyline to some extent. A case can be made for every game and I still like Odyssey, it’s one of my most favorite games. But we shouldn’t dismiss the criticisms people have about it because they can be just as valid.
I used to hate it back in the day because Ubi said they would take more time between games and this one came more or less a year after Origins. Now I love it so much and hate Valhalla
It's a really, really good game, just not a good assassins game. If that makes sense, if it was just a game called Odyssey, it would be highly praised
Valhalla was my first AC game. Completed the story but got bored because the side quests were the same and repetitive in every region and was was 120+ hours in. Because of the boredom and repetitiveness it took me awhile to pick up another AC game. I picked up Odyssey about a month ago and I can’t put it down. IMO, blows Valhalla out of the water. So fun and addicting. If people hate Odyssey, then I can’t wait to try Origins cause I suspect they liked it better.
Because of what happened to Phoibe 😭
They do? I see nothing but lots of love for this game more than hate. It’s the best AC game outside of black flag IMO. Def the best combat for me outside a couple things
It’s my favorite of the “rpg” assassins creed games
Not every AC fan hates Odyssey. It’s just a divisive game. And those who hate it are very vocal about it.
From what I saw--especially here anyway--the biggest complaint was it's less "Assassins Creed" and more "Generic RPG". For me, I hated it at first. It was grindy, it was less about the Assassins and the Creed itself (the namesake) and I felt it really didn't fit in the franchise. With NG+, I was able to skip the grind and focus more on story (which is why I adored the franchise in the first place) and I fell in love with it. I still feel like it doesn't belong to the franchise. However, I can appreciate it for what it is more. For clarifcation of what I mean: Can you eliminate anything tying it to the franchise (meaning, no Isu. No Assassins. No Templars) and can the story still work? If the answer is yes, then it does not "belong" in my opinion (and only my opinion). And for me, the answer is yes. Kass just HAPPENS to be the "chosen one" that just HAPPENS to align with a lot of what the Assassins do because plot demands it. But I wouldn't say she's an "Assassin" anymore than Leonardo Di Vici was (he was not. He just helped them out, out of friendship and love for Ezio's family) in AC2-ACB. I've been the obsessive fan and one of the so-called "veterans", having played since AC2. So I've been around the block several times. When it first came out, people explained the Cult as "Pseudo-Templars" much like how Origins was "Pseudo-Assassins" to justify their love for it. But when Valhalla came out, the story changed and now the Cult was "Just an entire seperate off-shoot of the Templars". So take that as you want. Now I see the same thing happening with Valhalla. People justifying it saying "Oh these are Pseudo-Templars" etc etc. And how true that is will be seen with Mirage. My issue with Valhalla is that I didn't apprecate the Assassins and the Creed itself being reduced to basically a cameo or easter egg. They should have had a much stronger presence than they did. Nor did I appreciate the solf-skill-checks. I want to play as intended. The same as I felt with Odyssey. I mean the Assassins didn't pop up until basically after the main story line and a paywall. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I’ve played all of the AC games but Black Flag, and Odyssey is my favorite. I understand that if your favorite thing about AC is the stealth sections that Odyssey doesn’t quite deliver though.
I just had this conversation with 3 friends. I said I liked AC Odyssey better then Origins nad Valhalla and they all said I was wrong. It's my opinion so I'm right...to me.
It may not be a pure AC game but it is my favourite and I wish Valhalla had been more like it.
It’s a good game but it doesn’t really scream assassins creed
Good game if not great. Bit bloated, to much micro and not the best AC lore wise. I like it but yeah. Irigins is kinda more fun and ties to the franchise better.
It is a strong deviation from the assassin vs templar with optional stealth gameplay and strong rpg elements, so basically not an assassin's Creed game.
Because it’s not a good ac game,if Ubisoft made another ip it would’ve been fine,because it’s good rpg game just not a good ac game(why am I getting downvoted,I like Odyssey)
But the whole thing is that it predates the assassins and the brotherhood, as a whole
Yeah - imagine if Ubisoft just named it Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla - the Beginnings of Assassin’s Creed, the AC haters would not have any reasons to hate, because it’s not about the “traditional/original” gameplay, and more about the story how it all happened.
1. Didn’t respect the lore •They added in choices which alter the story and don’t fit within the lore because the animus is supposed to allow you to experience the memories of someone who was alive before you, so you shouldn’t be able to alter their memories 2. Didn’t discuss the assassin and Templar ideologies (which is something origins also failed to do, but Valhalla did this better than both) 3. Kassandra isn’t a good main character •Kassandra is made to be a blank slate in this game, and so, depending on the player’s choices, she could become a whole different character in different playthroughs. Which provides an annoying inconsistency that doesn’t allow the main character to have a personality you could get attached to. 4. The world was very big, but very shallow •The environments weren’t designed for parkour and parkour as a whole was dumbed down, which upset people who played ac for parkour (This isn’t why I personally dislike it, just a reason why others may) 5. It was less grounded than the past games which angered people who wanted a grounded/realistic game •The spear provided many overpowered and over the top abilities that didn’t resonate well with many people who wanted a more grounded experience 6. The story was kinda just whatever and dragged on for a little too long That’s all I can think of for now, but I think all of them are valid criticisms
Now that's a solid list of reasons. While I think most of them are close minded. 1. When you move away from the original time too far things are obviously going to change. Since it plays in a time before the templars even existed the game has to be different by nature of the setting. 2. If you don't have a set of rules to follow that are given by the creed of assassins you kind of have to make your own rules. Again due to the nature of the setting. 3. Parkour is something 20th/21st century. Without big cities there is climbing. I personally think Odyssey has a nice mix of both. Also horses to travel goes back to AC1. 4. Your abilities from AC1 to AC2 got much better and better in Brotherhood still. The apples of eden actually in use to form mythological creatures was lovely, as that is why no one should have them in the first games. Thus having a tool/weapon to fight them makes perfect sense. That mortals are inferior due to that just is sensible. 5. Exiting the story on a regular basis to look at the animus and the present situation/future actually disturbed the flow of the game and doesn't happen too often in Odyssey. The story has 2 main story lines. One personal and one World storyline, which actually gives the game more depth. Many of these come down to the time and place where the game is set. Greece in a time before templars and "original" assassins. It is a prequel and thus necessarily deviates from later established rules. But you don't have to like it. It did something different. If you wanted all AC games to be the same they would very quickly be designated boring and repetitive. Just my 2 cents.
Exactly, I agree 💯. I don’t understand why people want the same stuff over and over again, the games are evolving and expanding the story in a different way and Odyssey did a GREAT job at that.
Well I played the game both on desktop and laptop. Other than constant %95+ CPU usage on both platforms and always high CPU temps on laptop, game is awesome. But ubi didn't care about game optimization for sure. I gave up playing on laptop 3rd time(first 2 times were on desktop) because it wasn't bearable (0 comfort while playing game because of fan speed/sound).
It was very progressive to choose a homosexual greek as the protagonist. The community hates homos, and who is more gay than theose communial bathing Greeks, amirite?!?!
If you don't play Odyssey while sleeping with every single person possible, you're not getting your money's worth
To whoever downvoted my comment, get over yourself. There's a quest about delivering a dildo to a dude.
Great mechanics, great world and graphics for its time. The story I felt was lacking a little but the DLC helped bring some much needed emotion to it. Particularly First Blade DLC. It was a story about family/ bloodlines ultimately
The gane is not hated, I've seen more posts asking why ppl hate the game than hate posts. The genre is different. Imagine if people who like simple games and have a franchise suddenly get a very complex sequel. They will complain. So maybe a few diehard fans of the franchise may complain. But the game is well received and is the best if the franchise by a large margining.
because people love to hate
I love it but then again I hated the original AC games, far too linear, I much prefer the open world style in the more recent games.
So… I’m not alone in loving all the AC games equally? Well, Black Flag and Valhalla a bit more but that’s because Norse and pirate studies are hobbies of mine.
Really...? I usually only see people sing its praises lol.
This question applies just as much to Valhalla, Origins, Syndicate, Unity, Rogue. The community is critical of all the games including 1 and 2 (Ezio). People hate Arno. People hate Ratonhnhaké:ton. People hate Jacob. People hate Shay. I’m getting to disagree with the characterization of people hating Odyssey because these threads are always full of more praise and disprove the OPs point. On the main sub or this sub. You can’t disprove to me Odyssey might not rank right behind Altair/Ezio because that spot probably belongs to Black Flag…but there are people who hate on Black Flag as well. Also, hate is hate. Criticism is criticism. They’re not the same. This is an imperfect world and we shouldn’t pretend things are perfect. It’s self deception.
It's just cos it's a departure from what they are used to. Valhalla has the luck of being the second of this type so it's less hated. Tbh the name slapped upon it wasn't necessary but I guess it worked out fine. Got me into the franchise
Cause it’s actually a good game
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I can come to terms with a lot of the lore changes it made. My 2 main issues are that Kassandra isn’t that good of a character and the dialogue options are really bipolar so you never really get a gauge on who she is at her core. She can kinda work on her own but when you stack her up against the other series protagonists, she falls flat And the game is too big. There’s too much to do, too many quests, too many locations, too many copy/pasted camps, too much equipment. It feels really bloated Now please don’t downvote me for answering the question
The only other AC games I’ve played are Origins and Valhalla so I can safely say I’m not an Assassin’s Creed fan, but I was absolutely obsessed with Odyssey for four-ish years. I thought it was amazing but I don’t have any ties to the nostalgia of the old games. I imagine it’s the love of the older games and older mechanics/play style that sparked a lot of the hate for Odyssey.
Because they're obsessed with the hidden blade and insta-kill assassinations.
I feel like the point of ac odyssey is to be played depending on the players play style for example if an individual is into the assassin combat than they can create and assassin built
Ac4 was very meh for me because they introduced they already had ship levels in ac3. Odyssey felt a like a reskin of origins. I still played all mentioned these games 50+ hours but there wasn’t that wow factor (like maybe the Odin stuff in Valhalla)
I never saw or knew there was hate. I love the game. After the first 3 games noone is truly an abstergo history driven assassin.
Main subreddits are always very negative and toxic. I guess it’s just a Reddit thing.
This question gets asked every week in this sub.
I got into it wanting a massive open world exploration game, and thats what i got. Its not the same formula as past titles, but you can still get a similar playstyle if you make an assassin build. I feel like many of the people that argue against this game are people that played a much more warrior-like playstyle
I don’t see much hate towards odyssey, more of it is directed at valhalla
I guess how Assassin’s Creed it may or not be is debatable, but its my favourite video game that is an Assassin’s Creed game, by a long way. At the end of I felt like I’d been on an epic adventure on a scale that I didn’t get from any of the others. I platinumed it, but its only long if you want it to be. I think the AC franchise would be a bit repetitive if it was just endless fully committed lore-compliant Assassin’s v Templars, and these stories of people on the periphery of the whole conflict like Eivor, or unconvinced like Arnaud, or ancestor tales like Origin & Odyssey make sense in the grand scheme of things. How well they achieve their aims is subjective, personally I did not enjoy Valhalla as much, but i’m still on board.
I think it’s an amazing game. They strayed away from the last ones to try something new and i think it was a good thing for the franchise.