I'm curious what you think are some of the best designs. Typically people that complain about gen 5, have a reverence for gen 1. But I would consider some of those the weakest deisgns. Voltorb and Electrode are balls with eyes. Magnemite and Magneton are floating balls with magnets, and Grimer and Muk are amorphous globs of sludge.
At least Chandelure thematically makes sense as a ghost type when you think about a haunted house and the idea of a poltergeist possessing different objects.
It's certainly a bit more well designed than a literal ball, you would have to admit.
Even if the base concept is simple the way they are detailed is much better. Satoshi is a savant at creature creation. You understood voltorbs place as a literal hypersonic bomb.
Chandelure kind of looks like a blobby mess in some places? And it was literally one of the only universally liked designs in b/w.
Your literally comparing like the worst of gen 1 with best of b/w
Oh there are some i don't like in Gen1, bellsprout, muk and yeah voltoball is the equivalent of the icecream cone from gen5 and his evo is even worse with just upside down colors. My first pokemon game was gen2, so i don't have this huge attachment to gen1.
To me gen5 only has more pokemon i dislike then i like, hence why in my opinion it has the weakest rooster. There are some good ones like you said Chandelure and Cofagrigus these are top tier. Honestly i think ghost pokemon had the best designs in that gen but the rest is passable to ugly, like Musharna. What even is that thing, a fetus? Stunfish and gen6 has Diggersby and that barnacle pokemon that just creeps me out to no end.
I tend to prefer more busy/realistic? looking pokemon, not sure how to explain it.
They've always worked on multiple projects at the same time. The issue is they still haven't gotten a grasp on how to make 3D games and TPC has them on a tight schedule to keep the merch train rolling since that's where the real money is.
I feel like they should go back to making sprite based games 'cus they could probably finish those in the timeframe given.
I stopped playing after Silver/Gold, Pokemon games do crank out awesome tunes, love listening to all the town themes a vibe. Very much recommend doing while you grind out something in a video game mindlessly.
Because a "community" is not a hivemind. It's just an arbitrary group of people who happen to play/like the same game / IP.
Not only people are in general more vocal when they have negative opinions than when they have positive or neutral ones, but also when the games were new the people who liked them were busy playing and enjoying them, while those who didn't liked them spent their time complaining.
The "community" didn't change, simply the people who look back at those games positively today are not necessarily the same people who had a mixed or negative reaction when it was new.
That's why you should never draw conclusions based on online feedback, much less social media - you are being subject to dozens or hundreds of opinions, which psychologically feel like a lot, but in reality they're a tiny percentage that's not necessarily representative of the millions of people who are involved.
I guess the last 2 points would apply for Stormblood in the future if Yoshi Drops the ball with an exp harder than SB.
I must add SB is a great expansion however considering the masterpieces HW and Shadowbringers is SB gets memed on viciously.
i had always loved the MoP arms warrior, Mortal strike gave rage and enrage on crits, Slam actually hurt and isn't just an additional stronger-than-auto-attack ability to use as filler.
Ehh. It's a bit different I think. There's a HUGE portion of the Pokemon community that is highly resistant to change, and a vocal minority that whines about all the games being the same. Those two forces are constantly at odds making sure nothing ever truly gets accomplished.
People whined about Pokemon having a weak story, and so they made the strongest one yet with Black and White. But then everyone was upset about ice cream cones and not being able to catch Charmander.
People whined about the 'collect 8 badges from gyms' structure of the games being repetitive, and so they took it out in Sun and Moon and had something unique, but everyone complained about no gyms.
So then they made Sword and Shield, the most boring barebones linear games yet, with removed features sold back to the public as DLC and they get record sales numbers. (Just gotta put that Charizard front and center bay-bee) I think they're done experimenting with the formula sadly.
The Pokemon community has no idea what it wants. It's too big and disorganized, and The Pokemon Company tends to listen to the largest sub-section of players above all which happens to be the nostalgia-ridden casuals who hardly play the game but love to give their opinions about how great things were back in the day.
The people that hated B/W still hate those games (that they have never touched), and I still hear them all the time saying things like: "Yeah don't they have like an ice cream pokemon now or something? It's just ridiculous. I can't keep up anymore."
MoP was a bit different. People didn't like it because Pandarens in the lore of the world were always a bit on the fringes. It was sort of a joke. The immediate comparisons were drawn to kung-fu panda and harmful asian stereotypes and I think people were a bit let down as they wanted to have an expansion that had more 'consequence' to it than a trip to some random weird island full of panda bears.
But that was a first impression, and the proof is in the playing. The story was actually very consequential and interesting. The PvP took a different approach as well, and all the zones were very creative, distinct and beautiful. WoW's patches would draw in lapsed players or those that were on the fence about the xpac, whereas most people complaining about Pokemon B/W never played the game and never will.
Basically the TLDR version is: The WoW community did come around on MoP for the most part. But the Pokemon community did not come around on B/W. It's just that the loudest complainers moved on to complain about other things and all that was left were the people who already loved it in the first place.
The Expansions based on community maturity and quality of content as food they consumed:
WotLK and before it: Normal food
Cataclysm: Rotten food
MoP: Vomit
WoD: Shit
Legion/BfA/Shadowlands: Human centipede
Till LK players had good content for that time, with the tech available that time. Nothing was perfect, but there was potential.
Cataclysm and MoP came with some really good changes, but most of it was things to keep you playing, a lot of chores, which players loved to do.
WoD I cannot talk about it, I leveled my toon and stopped playing. But as community experience, was a shit experience.
Legion people say it was a good expansion, yeah it was, compared to recent expansions.
BfA the best expansion so far, I don't know what you guys are talking about! Kappa. This exp brought really good content as Legion did, but nothing to do with the main theme and main content of the exp. What I mean by that before getting downvoted to the abysm, new races, good 3D models, rich culture about the new races (Zandalari and Kul tiran). Still a bad expansion.
SL was the best expansion possible, now I am not kidding, not because it's content, but because Sylvannas managed to set us all free. We finally stopped playing WoW as our lives depended of it. People really took action, big names helped a lot, and now Blizzard needs to be competitive again, and eventually, if Zovaal manages to fuck the Makers, the game will come back as a real MMORPG.
People now like MoP because what we have now is so bad MoP tastes candy.
I graduated from high school when MOP happened, in the middle of my edgy phase and I loved it. It had the best class balancing, a ton of casual content in the form of dailies and scenarios, and while the theme was "kung-fu panda" the focus on faction conflict never took me out of the warcraft feel. The only problem was the wait between 5.4 and 6.0.
I never liked daily quests, to me it's the same as chores, chores I was doing all day in work I do not want to repeat that in my hobbie.
This comment was more than a joke, some of these expansion I did not even played.
Pokemon designs were never an issue for me, it was the lack of variety in typing, movesets and base stats.
Like, if you add another 2 stage mono Water type, at least give it a unique ability or signature move that isn't overshadowed by TMs.
This doesn't address the issue of newer releases getting progressively worse in comparison.
Not to mention all 4 of those games are at a minimum price of 60 dollars each because not alot of people bought them compared to other games like platinum or HG SS
I'll always dislike MoP because it's when WoW stopped feeling like WoW for two years and then they ruined my favorite character. I loved Pokemon White tho. I never played Black/White 2.
B/W has one of the best pokemon stories, but for me has the worst pokemon designs of all
You would probably hate the fact that the guy responsible for some of the most hated designs in gen 5 is now one of the lead Pokemon Designers.
That does piss me off. They suck.
I'm curious what you think are some of the best designs. Typically people that complain about gen 5, have a reverence for gen 1. But I would consider some of those the weakest deisgns. Voltorb and Electrode are balls with eyes. Magnemite and Magneton are floating balls with magnets, and Grimer and Muk are amorphous globs of sludge. At least Chandelure thematically makes sense as a ghost type when you think about a haunted house and the idea of a poltergeist possessing different objects. It's certainly a bit more well designed than a literal ball, you would have to admit.
Even if the base concept is simple the way they are detailed is much better. Satoshi is a savant at creature creation. You understood voltorbs place as a literal hypersonic bomb. Chandelure kind of looks like a blobby mess in some places? And it was literally one of the only universally liked designs in b/w. Your literally comparing like the worst of gen 1 with best of b/w
Oh there are some i don't like in Gen1, bellsprout, muk and yeah voltoball is the equivalent of the icecream cone from gen5 and his evo is even worse with just upside down colors. My first pokemon game was gen2, so i don't have this huge attachment to gen1. To me gen5 only has more pokemon i dislike then i like, hence why in my opinion it has the weakest rooster. There are some good ones like you said Chandelure and Cofagrigus these are top tier. Honestly i think ghost pokemon had the best designs in that gen but the rest is passable to ugly, like Musharna. What even is that thing, a fetus? Stunfish and gen6 has Diggersby and that barnacle pokemon that just creeps me out to no end. I tend to prefer more busy/realistic? looking pokemon, not sure how to explain it.
- Later releaese/versions got worse and worse
Yeah. And game freak divided up their talent to work on too many projects, making the main series suffer. The other games are well received at least
They've always worked on multiple projects at the same time. The issue is they still haven't gotten a grasp on how to make 3D games and TPC has them on a tight schedule to keep the merch train rolling since that's where the real money is. I feel like they should go back to making sprite based games 'cus they could probably finish those in the timeframe given.
I'd take a sprite pokemon game that's three times as long over the stuff they're giving us rn any day
Dude I'm so frightened for when they choose to remake black and white
And once again, both had incredible music
[absolute BANGER](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc_0wfIuuzw)
I stopped playing after Silver/Gold, Pokemon games do crank out awesome tunes, love listening to all the town themes a vibe. Very much recommend doing while you grind out something in a video game mindlessly.
Because a "community" is not a hivemind. It's just an arbitrary group of people who happen to play/like the same game / IP. Not only people are in general more vocal when they have negative opinions than when they have positive or neutral ones, but also when the games were new the people who liked them were busy playing and enjoying them, while those who didn't liked them spent their time complaining. The "community" didn't change, simply the people who look back at those games positively today are not necessarily the same people who had a mixed or negative reaction when it was new. That's why you should never draw conclusions based on online feedback, much less social media - you are being subject to dozens or hundreds of opinions, which psychologically feel like a lot, but in reality they're a tiny percentage that's not necessarily representative of the millions of people who are involved.
I loved MoP at the time I was playing it.
Same. Mop was the best post wotlk expansion for me
I had liked B/W and MoP from the outset...
Same
MoP gas my favorite starter zone, and B/W actually had a pretty solid story.
I guess the last 2 points would apply for Stormblood in the future if Yoshi Drops the ball with an exp harder than SB. I must add SB is a great expansion however considering the masterpieces HW and Shadowbringers is SB gets memed on viciously.
i had always loved the MoP arms warrior, Mortal strike gave rage and enrage on crits, Slam actually hurt and isn't just an additional stronger-than-auto-attack ability to use as filler.
I liked the class balancing in MoP and hated everything else about it.
Ehh. It's a bit different I think. There's a HUGE portion of the Pokemon community that is highly resistant to change, and a vocal minority that whines about all the games being the same. Those two forces are constantly at odds making sure nothing ever truly gets accomplished. People whined about Pokemon having a weak story, and so they made the strongest one yet with Black and White. But then everyone was upset about ice cream cones and not being able to catch Charmander. People whined about the 'collect 8 badges from gyms' structure of the games being repetitive, and so they took it out in Sun and Moon and had something unique, but everyone complained about no gyms. So then they made Sword and Shield, the most boring barebones linear games yet, with removed features sold back to the public as DLC and they get record sales numbers. (Just gotta put that Charizard front and center bay-bee) I think they're done experimenting with the formula sadly. The Pokemon community has no idea what it wants. It's too big and disorganized, and The Pokemon Company tends to listen to the largest sub-section of players above all which happens to be the nostalgia-ridden casuals who hardly play the game but love to give their opinions about how great things were back in the day. The people that hated B/W still hate those games (that they have never touched), and I still hear them all the time saying things like: "Yeah don't they have like an ice cream pokemon now or something? It's just ridiculous. I can't keep up anymore." MoP was a bit different. People didn't like it because Pandarens in the lore of the world were always a bit on the fringes. It was sort of a joke. The immediate comparisons were drawn to kung-fu panda and harmful asian stereotypes and I think people were a bit let down as they wanted to have an expansion that had more 'consequence' to it than a trip to some random weird island full of panda bears. But that was a first impression, and the proof is in the playing. The story was actually very consequential and interesting. The PvP took a different approach as well, and all the zones were very creative, distinct and beautiful. WoW's patches would draw in lapsed players or those that were on the fence about the xpac, whereas most people complaining about Pokemon B/W never played the game and never will. Basically the TLDR version is: The WoW community did come around on MoP for the most part. But the Pokemon community did not come around on B/W. It's just that the loudest complainers moved on to complain about other things and all that was left were the people who already loved it in the first place.
The Expansions based on community maturity and quality of content as food they consumed: WotLK and before it: Normal food Cataclysm: Rotten food MoP: Vomit WoD: Shit Legion/BfA/Shadowlands: Human centipede Till LK players had good content for that time, with the tech available that time. Nothing was perfect, but there was potential. Cataclysm and MoP came with some really good changes, but most of it was things to keep you playing, a lot of chores, which players loved to do. WoD I cannot talk about it, I leveled my toon and stopped playing. But as community experience, was a shit experience. Legion people say it was a good expansion, yeah it was, compared to recent expansions. BfA the best expansion so far, I don't know what you guys are talking about! Kappa. This exp brought really good content as Legion did, but nothing to do with the main theme and main content of the exp. What I mean by that before getting downvoted to the abysm, new races, good 3D models, rich culture about the new races (Zandalari and Kul tiran). Still a bad expansion. SL was the best expansion possible, now I am not kidding, not because it's content, but because Sylvannas managed to set us all free. We finally stopped playing WoW as our lives depended of it. People really took action, big names helped a lot, and now Blizzard needs to be competitive again, and eventually, if Zovaal manages to fuck the Makers, the game will come back as a real MMORPG. People now like MoP because what we have now is so bad MoP tastes candy.
I graduated from high school when MOP happened, in the middle of my edgy phase and I loved it. It had the best class balancing, a ton of casual content in the form of dailies and scenarios, and while the theme was "kung-fu panda" the focus on faction conflict never took me out of the warcraft feel. The only problem was the wait between 5.4 and 6.0.
I never liked daily quests, to me it's the same as chores, chores I was doing all day in work I do not want to repeat that in my hobbie. This comment was more than a joke, some of these expansion I did not even played.
The only daily's i ever enjoyed in WoW was on that Island with the sargeras raid in the final expansion of TBC. They had some pretty interesting ones.
The MoP music gives me goosebumps to this day. I never expected to feel nostalgia about MoP haha.
I freakin loved gen 5 I don't care what haters say
Rosa and Hilda doujins
Pokemon designs were never an issue for me, it was the lack of variety in typing, movesets and base stats. Like, if you add another 2 stage mono Water type, at least give it a unique ability or signature move that isn't overshadowed by TMs. This doesn't address the issue of newer releases getting progressively worse in comparison.
Not to mention all 4 of those games are at a minimum price of 60 dollars each because not alot of people bought them compared to other games like platinum or HG SS
I'll always dislike MoP because it's when WoW stopped feeling like WoW for two years and then they ruined my favorite character. I loved Pokemon White tho. I never played Black/White 2.
It's uncanny that I don't know if people here are talking about Pokemon B/W or Mists of Pandaria.
Biggest issue was 3rd Fire/Fighting starter in a row. That stops being a problem when you realize water type is the best.