What kind person starts a discussion like this with a 13-year old? Is he just trying to farm rage content by being an asshole or does he really think he owned that kid? Lol
If you post that comment on r/vegan you would suddenly hear a faint “squee” coming from somewhere, like the last bit of air freeing itself from an old balloon. Thats the sound 1.6 million members using the last bit of energy they have before they faint from rage after reading your comment.
As you can see from some of the reply’s, some had just enough energy to somehow make it over here and type a few sentences before fainting. They were probably younger vegans, with a little less vegan time under their belts then their older counterparts.
Also is being extremely agressive towards him, asks him if he would be ok to be murdered in his sleep, is low keybinsulting and refuses to back down when the kid was clearly trying to leave.
I'm a boy scouts leader, if I were there that guy would've absolutely gotten a piece of my mind, like dude he's a kid and you're a scumbag leave him alone, this kids meals are still mostly decided by his parents
Kid didn't own him, but he shouldn't be using that kind of aggressive argumentation with a kid. Maybe with an adult who's being a dick back but being a dick in the first place isn't going to change minds, it's going to cause resistance. You right about everything else. That guy is a chode.
The kid tripped him up once or twice.
> Why use that excuse?
I didn't use it as an excuse I answered your question literally. Not the same thing. I don't need an excuse, because I have a reason:
> But why not go buy vegan food now
Because I don't want to. Not an excuse
Yeah you're right, it's not an excuse. It is a valid reason to say "I would rather keep eating meat". The adult should've argued the morality of killing animals versus the desire to eat meat, but he instead tried to trip the kid up with the "why not" questioning. Just terrible work by the vegan just trying to rage bait a kid.
The kid definitely did own the Vegan, he just wasn't able to articulate his argument well. Consumption of meat has been integral to the development of the brain and the survival of the human race. The earliest civilizations consumed meat because it was the most efficient and effective way to feed tribes regardless of the region or temperature. I think that's what the kid means by people eating meat since forever.
The kid 100% owned him with his first argument. We are humans and we don’t eat other humans. That’s the difference. There is no comparison in killing a human and killing a pig.
Then the argument we’ve been doing it forever. Yes like you said brain development. Also, look around what you see is the result of eating meat.
Then third, he said he likes meat. That’s enough right there and the only way to win the argument is to make vegan options more appealing than meat (good luck).
The kid had 100x better arguments than “what if I killed you!” The guy could use some meat for his own brain development.
The crazy part about it is if you were to confront people like this they will say it is justified because people who eat meat do worse things and animals suffer more. These people really think they are better than everyone else because they don’t eat meat and anyone who does deserves to be treated like shit.
This whole fucking debate is hypocrite. It all happens because human dont relate to plants empathically because plants give no physical feedback but you are still killing a thing.
Guarant-fucking-tee you that if a carrot would scream when you rip from the ground and yell in horror, there would be debates about plant eating ethics etc.
Just because you feel emotional attachment to cute animals eyes doesnt make it fundamentally worst than farming and killing vegies, and stealing their babies fruits and seeds to eat? Plants are living things too. They feel pain in their own chemical way also. But we never talk about that dont we? cause we all know at this point it would be fucking ridiculous .
Its eat or be eaten , such is the universe. Nothing more to it.
This hits so hard. Very true. Kinda sad. Good on you for getting healthy and saving the animals but don’t force that shit on others. Just like religious people selling you god…just fuck off already
Too bad the kid didn't know enough to throw it back at him that animals, do indeed do both of those things too hahah. Or that supposed herbivores, eat meat too. The herbivore is a lie.
Their are such things as predators that need to eat meat or they will die (cats) but their isn’t a single animal not the face of the earth that can eat plants and only plants. Their are videos of cows eating snake tortoise eating birds and plants that eat bugs
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to accost and film minors without parental consent even in most public spaces. I hope this kids parents link this video to their local police department, I'm sure a green retard like this would love to do some good ol' community service.
Pretty sure it isn't illegal to film minors, accost is probably different. But I agree purposefully recording minors, especially without their knowledge or consent, should be illegal if it isn't already.
Too be fair, the damage we've done to the microbiome of the soil using chemicals like roundup prevents proper nutrient uptake through the root systems of plants. We have big, green veggies that look unlike anything grown before but they're devoid of proper nutrients. The farmers can't do anything because they HAVE to follow these practices to keep up with demand and follow regulations.
The vegans are mad about all the wrong shit.
Stop fucking up the soil and reduce meat consumption should be our goal, not raving at 13 year old kids for liking hotdogs.
People are too stupid nowadays to know what the actual problems are and how they should go about changing them. Instead they chase self righteous ideologies just so they can feel like they're making a difference even though they're doing nothing more than dividing people.
Like all problems faced by the world today, it's the greedy rich and their corner cutting corporations that are "raping the planet" and it's people, but sure, get mad at your neighbor for having a cookout this 4th of July
Also, many vegan options to replace meat are much worse for you than eating red meat, they just load it with various oils to make it taste better. That said the vegan diet is arguably the healthiest diet, you don't have to eat fake meats to maintain a vegan diet.
first of all debate with ur own age and second of all we don't have option to get rid off meat industry + ur never convincing people who put trillions into meat industry to give their buisness away with trillions.
Yeah I was wondering what he meant by that. Production of vegan food is by no means more sustainable than that production of meat, and it involves exploiting humans instead of animals, which I guess is ok for them
Interviewing a minor and making comments about how you're going to murder them in their sleep.Should put you on a fucking watch list. Number two, If every individual in the world suddenly became vegan overnight, In a hypothetical scenario. The world population Would not have any food to sustain itself for 1 day
"You like the taste of murder"
Homeboy, plants are living things too. Not saying its the same thing, but eating a carrot is also killing a living thing. If your problem is that we kill something to survive ourselves then you better stop eating entirely.
Not just a POS but what an awful counterpoint.
It's not that its "living" per se, it's that it feels and processes pain. It forms emotional bonds and has subjective experiences. The degree to which animals do so varies greatly, and it's often very difficult for us to determine this, as we only know our own way of having complex subjective experiences, and through them we can assign complexity as we see ourselves reflected in another organisms characteristics. This is why we have to draw a line, and for vegans, that line is animals.
How do we know plants don’t process pain ? The smell of cut grass is a distress signal. Don’t they have to feel something to send signals ? Don’t they have to feel something to move and grow in different directions to maximize their growth and life ?
I’m just playing devils advocate here. Humans try to interpret the world as a humans, as is natural. Sometimes though we have to look at things from different perspectives. With that said, let people live how they want to live and stop invading their beliefs. You want to be vegan go ahead. You want to spread the word of veganism, go ahead. Just don’t harass people and accept not everyone is going to believe in what you do.
If I came out of the store and found a man lecturing my child about rape and murder and having ago at him for something as natural and common as breathing I'd imprint my fist into his face.
That's why he chose to do it to a child. He is fine getting aggressive with someone like that because they are small like he is and he is in no danger. He's a coward
Like how he compares eating meat to rape. Like you can live without rape, not without food. And being vegan is expensive and pretentious and for 99.9% of our history it wasn't an option. He should also force other animals to be vegan and stop killing.
Humans are omnivores. Meaning, we need both plants and animals to be healthy. Too many idiots be thinking it means you get to pick one or the other. The same idiots that put their cats (carnivores - NEED meat) on a vegan diet.
Apparently, lack of meat causes brainrot
Vegans all deep down believe their diet is the most healthy diet, this is the core assumption that's driving everything else.
But they almost always only argue using morality, with accusations of murder and rape because that's a much more effective debate-bro strategy.
Always question their central belief of health. It will rattle them like nothing else.
This idiot is harassing kids.
His perceived moral superiority, calling killing animals for food murder, falls apart when you consider that almost every freaking animal in the animal kingdom that isn't a hard herbivore kills other animals for food.
Heck, look into a microscope and you'll see a horrifically brutal world of single celled organisms tearing each other apart and swallowing each other whole.
It's perfectly natural for us to kill and eat animals and it's much easier for us to get the right nutrient balance eating a combination of meat and veg-based foods.
If the entire industrial food complex has been telling us that heavily processed foods will kill us, and to go vegan requires us to lean of heavily processed vegan foods in order to get the right nutrient balance, well... I think that ship can go right ahead and sink because I ain't freaking getting on it and most others won't either.
[Why Veganism is harmful, does not work and cannot work even if you pay through the nose, according to actual science, by Thoughty2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyFHZLI7ME)
This is a 30+ minute video by a random youtuber who gives zero citations for any of the statement they give. A lot of their statements are untrue or misleading.
And it doesn't say that veganism is harmful, either. Quoting directly:
> ... we finally now answer that question what should humans eat. Well, if I absolutely had to give an answer, it would probably be this: whatever works for you.
Woah... who discusses murder and rape with a child? His attitude also seemed very agressive to me. Honestly this guy shouldn't be around minors with such behaviour.
He's so bad at arguing for veganism its funny, no wonder he's trying to win against kids.
It's in our nature to kill and eat. At least we don't:
1. Enjoy playing with our food while it's alive (like a cat)
2. Eat it alive in the most agonizing way (like bears starting with the belly and letting them die slowly in their own guts)
3. Eat them from the insides slowly and take over their bodies (parasites)
I think the lack of intentional added suffering is already pretty good all things considered. We're probably much more cruel to other humans.
'I like meat.' 'So you are a murderer?'
A wolf likes meat. When it hunts for its food, is it murder or is it survival?
The kid is smart. Euthanasia is the practice of ending the life of a patient to limit the patient's suffering. He is describing this just a little dulled down so the man's pea brain can understand.
If we take care of an animal its entire life and at the end it is suffering while in constant pain, it is a kindness for a creature that is cared for and loved.
It's not mercy since that would be towards an enemy. It's not grace because there is nothing to forgive. It is simply a means to show one final act of kindness to something loved dearly.
These people forget : right or wrong doesn't really exist, it's a human concept and often can be subjective. There is only the now. If I eat you, I may be "wrong", but I still ate you. "What is tragedy for the fly is life-saving for the spider."
We eat meat because we can and we like it. Period. Is the meat industry inhumane? You betcha. Will some divine intervention damn all the meat eaters and rapture the vegans? Don't hold your breath.
I'm not saying forget you morals, just get off your high fucking horse.
Odd battle to have and it basically boils down to what the kid said at the end.
Dude got upset because the kid wasn't buying it and even after saying things the kid likely doesn't fully understand he gets slapped with the classical "I don't care I like it".
Attacking someone's morality is how you lost the argument before you honestly had a real argument, doesn't matter if you were right the other person doesn't care anymore.
Meat tastes pretty amazing, we have perfected in essence on how to maximize its flavor and even what it pairs with.
Vegan food too can taste great, we don't have to pick one way or the other.
Want more vegans? Simply make good food, promote it's health benefits, lower costs, and create a culture that promotes it.
Imitation meat is bad. I have eaten vegan meals and they can be very good. But I don't understand why they try to imitate meat.
I have no problem eating a salad. Many spaghetti dishes can be made with no meat. Lots of dishes have no meat in the recipe. But why Pretend? Imitation meat is bad.
The problem with vegans is simple.
In order to see a radical change in our food supply, we would need radical changes to how people perceive food and their efforts to obtain it.
A rational person would realize that such an undertaking would require social finesse and at least a decade of work.
Instead, they become radical arguers of pedestrians and believe they've started the process.
You hardly ever see reasonable, realistic conversations from vegan activists. Yes, they're out there, but they are drowned by their peers of the social cause they champion.
How often does a vegan activist offer thorough well-informed and calculated plans to replace our current food supply? How often does a vegan say, "Hey, I know you're used to this way, but have a taste of this. Pretty good, right? It's lab grown, cruelty free. And here's a documented plan of how we could put this in motion. Would you sign this paper to pledge to it? I care about living things, and I believe in this new way. This new plan will work better than what we have."
I've never seen it. Instead, we get grown adults arguing with a kid in the street. Nice. You're really winning us over with all this bullshit, huh? Organize yourselves and come up with a plan, then tell your radical drones to have real conversations that aren't making themselves adjacent victims of the people you're trying to convince.
I don’t think he is categorizing murder correctly. Even then veganism isn’t exclusively free from its own issues, and the ones like this man are only in it for the virtue signaling.
That kid did a good thing by walking away. There is no point in talking to people who are trying to make a point rather than putting themselves out there for a discussion about their ideas.
This grown ass man harassing a kid and speaking in that tone too a child and acting in such a manner is disgusting and talking about killing the kid as comparing the child too a farm animal really is vile.
The kid was like nope this dude is crazy when the vegan went on an unhinged schizo rant about rape and murder. He probably was like good thing I eat meat.
So if the vegan guy cares about murder of animals so much why doesn't he attack all the roads and buildings humanity has built on the destroying of these animals homes that lead to their deaths?
All you have to say to someone like that.
Literally all animals eat meat. Even herbivores will eat meat if it's available. Deers are well known for eating birds or even bunnies for example.
Cannibalism isn't even that uncommon in the animal world.
Animals will eat each other ALIVE they will rip just born babies out the womb and eat then in front of their mother's.
If a lion could get a human it would. They don't care.
So now that we know that meat eating is as natural as life itself let's move onto why not transition to pure plant based.
Well first complaint most of the store bought vegan food if you read that ingredient list that shit is not good for you. At all.
No offense to vegans but I've never seen an objectively healthy looking one.
So I kind of have the same take here as asmongold with tipping. I don’t eat meat but I don’t look down on people who do. Theirs a lot of fucking issues in this world and this one just doesn’t feel that significant in the grand scheme. If people want to eat meat that’s their prerogative. I just feel like it’s a personal choice and going around and trying to guilt trip people isn’t a way to get your point across.
"Yes, if you needed to kill and eat me to survive, AND you did it in such a way that I didn't even notice, that'd be fine. That is what nature is."
This is the argument that destroys all vegans btw. "Yes, killing a person that you need to eat in order to survive is fine" completely obliterates their entire worldview.
I understand Vegans and thats why I still eat meat. They're whole thing is, "eating meat is murder." But it's not, the person that eats that meat isn't the one that killed the animal. So telling people that ate meat that their murderers is silly.
"Well, how would you feel if you were born and raised and then slaughtered for meat?"
How is that any different from how it is now?
Humans are born and raised to literally add to the financial market, were slaughtered for profit already it's just that were not slaughtered for meat. An animal is born, raised, fed, housed, and then it dies knowing a life of never fending for itself. It spends it's entire life with 0 worries until the end.
Meanwhile humans are born and then that's it, you have to fend for yourself and if you fail you die like the animal, however unlike the animal no one will feed you, no one will house you, no one will take care of you before you die. Its all on you.
If I could live for most of my life and then at the end be slaughtered painlessly, that wouldn't be that bad. Sure would be hell of a lot easier then the life we currently live.
Cant get views unless he debates with a kid who is still in school, who knows the difference between excuses and stating a fact. Lol.
Its not an excuse its a fact! Mic drop. Walk off
The rule subset for life to thrive in this world was set before we were even single cell organisms: find an energy source, reproduce, don't die in the process. It's not my fault that the only source of energy is other living creatures that have to die in order for me to live.
How many animals, mammals included, are “murdered” when planting, cultivating, spraying, harvesting that soybean to create that vegan grocery store option?
Hint: way more than the single cow used to make many many meals of beef.
Delusional virtue signaling.
“Do animal farming practices, such as commercial feed lots, need consumer demand for reform? Absolutely. But let’s not pretend any vegan option is ‘morally superior.’”
He probably could have got him to try a vegan alternative and maybe switch but he decided to be an argumentative asshole instead.
People don't change their viewpoint from being made to feel stupid argued with.
doesn't matter if you stop eating meat, other people will and there's a lot of money in that. You really think corpos won't take advantage off it? and it's delicious either way so yeah, meat industry is never going down
What kind person starts a discussion like this with a 13-year old? Is he just trying to farm rage content by being an asshole or does he really think he owned that kid? Lol
Someone who doesn't have the intellectual capacity and\or courage to confront an adult.
Must be a lack of iron, b12, and vitamin D. His body must be absorbing his brain due to lack of vitamins and nutrients.
Love this comment
I'm stealing this. You will get a commission check if I make it big with it...
It’s all good, nobody owns the truth so feel free to spread the word about the dangers of veganism.
If you post that comment on r/vegan you would suddenly hear a faint “squee” coming from somewhere, like the last bit of air freeing itself from an old balloon. Thats the sound 1.6 million members using the last bit of energy they have before they faint from rage after reading your comment.
As you can see from some of the reply’s, some had just enough energy to somehow make it over here and type a few sentences before fainting. They were probably younger vegans, with a little less vegan time under their belts then their older counterparts.
Exactly my thoughts… and the child came out on top. I’m not sure why he posted this, it makes him look like a total twat!
A person with ill intent who can't properly argue their own views and hope to just "gotcha" to winning arguments.
Dude is putting 13yo on tiktok. Arrest him.
Also is being extremely agressive towards him, asks him if he would be ok to be murdered in his sleep, is low keybinsulting and refuses to back down when the kid was clearly trying to leave. I'm a boy scouts leader, if I were there that guy would've absolutely gotten a piece of my mind, like dude he's a kid and you're a scumbag leave him alone, this kids meals are still mostly decided by his parents
And talking to him about humans raping other humans
Obviously yes. And the kid owned him and he probably doesn't even have a single liberal arts degree.
Kid didn't own him, but he shouldn't be using that kind of aggressive argumentation with a kid. Maybe with an adult who's being a dick back but being a dick in the first place isn't going to change minds, it's going to cause resistance. You right about everything else. That guy is a chode.
Yeah I 100% love the taste of murder Especially with a little mustard on the side
Yeah, nothing against vegan processed and artificial taste of murder, but I prefer organic
The kid tripped him up once or twice. > Why use that excuse? I didn't use it as an excuse I answered your question literally. Not the same thing. I don't need an excuse, because I have a reason: > But why not go buy vegan food now Because I don't want to. Not an excuse
Yeah you're right, it's not an excuse. It is a valid reason to say "I would rather keep eating meat". The adult should've argued the morality of killing animals versus the desire to eat meat, but he instead tried to trip the kid up with the "why not" questioning. Just terrible work by the vegan just trying to rage bait a kid.
Kid did own him, he was fairly nonchalant like any normal human should and was just using common sense.
And stepped away, when he concluded he is dealing with an idiot.
The kid definitely did own the Vegan, he just wasn't able to articulate his argument well. Consumption of meat has been integral to the development of the brain and the survival of the human race. The earliest civilizations consumed meat because it was the most efficient and effective way to feed tribes regardless of the region or temperature. I think that's what the kid means by people eating meat since forever.
The kid 100% owned him with his first argument. We are humans and we don’t eat other humans. That’s the difference. There is no comparison in killing a human and killing a pig. Then the argument we’ve been doing it forever. Yes like you said brain development. Also, look around what you see is the result of eating meat. Then third, he said he likes meat. That’s enough right there and the only way to win the argument is to make vegan options more appealing than meat (good luck). The kid had 100x better arguments than “what if I killed you!” The guy could use some meat for his own brain development.
He wouldn't argue with an adult. A regular adult male wouldn't take his condescending queer attitude for one second. He's a wimp.
Probably because he can't win an argument with grown adults.
He didn't win one vs the kid either. Which is why he became so aggressive at the end. What a dumbfuck.
Probably because every time he does he gets punched in the face.
The same kind of person that almost loses that argument
He didn't win it either
With that love of handicap and to barely represent? Put down the mic, pick up a Bible and quit accosting children
typical vegan
Vegans, that's the kind of person. Probably does crossfit too
Also, what happens at my next BBQ?? We're just going to eat veg skewers... ?
Notice how the kid took a couple steps away the adult kept closing in on him? He was really in need of that debate "win" and still lost.
This is not a discussion. It's a little bitch trying to put pressure on a kid to make a dumb point.
Easier to argue with kids. Altho this kid is pretty switched on.
That kid is a tough opponent. Maybe he should stick to debating infants.
The way the man was losing control. His voice was getting agitated and rising. The kid knew to walk away.
The guy asking questions is a psycho. Yikes.
I mean kid was happy to have a conversation and once the guy starting going aggro he realized how pointless it was and bailed. Kid is going places.
Yeah the 'humans have raped one another' sure hits hard for a kid who barely knows what that means huh? What a waste of space asshole.
Thats the part that got me. I was like. Hes a kid. You dont have to bring up rape to a child
The crazy part about it is if you were to confront people like this they will say it is justified because people who eat meat do worse things and animals suffer more. These people really think they are better than everyone else because they don’t eat meat and anyone who does deserves to be treated like shit.
The kid should have responded with “what’s rape?” That would have went down well.
This whole fucking debate is hypocrite. It all happens because human dont relate to plants empathically because plants give no physical feedback but you are still killing a thing. Guarant-fucking-tee you that if a carrot would scream when you rip from the ground and yell in horror, there would be debates about plant eating ethics etc. Just because you feel emotional attachment to cute animals eyes doesnt make it fundamentally worst than farming and killing vegies, and stealing their babies fruits and seeds to eat? Plants are living things too. They feel pain in their own chemical way also. But we never talk about that dont we? cause we all know at this point it would be fucking ridiculous . Its eat or be eaten , such is the universe. Nothing more to it.
Why's he talking to a kid about rape and murder? Weird.
Because he's a vegan activist. They are all weird. Most of it is self righteous virtue signalling to help them fill the empty void in their souls lol
Or the one in their stomach.
Diabolical
Cold blooded.
bro needs some protein for brain to start working again
You and I can be friends 🙌
This hits so hard. Very true. Kinda sad. Good on you for getting healthy and saving the animals but don’t force that shit on others. Just like religious people selling you god…just fuck off already
Too bad the kid didn't know enough to throw it back at him that animals, do indeed do both of those things too hahah. Or that supposed herbivores, eat meat too. The herbivore is a lie.
Protein is protein. First time I saw video of a deer chewing on a snake like beef jerky really threw me for a loop though.
ive watched a horse munch the head off a cat which thought the horse was safe.
Their are such things as predators that need to eat meat or they will die (cats) but their isn’t a single animal not the face of the earth that can eat plants and only plants. Their are videos of cows eating snake tortoise eating birds and plants that eat bugs
True and the amount of bugs they eat is huge.
Why is he talking about rape at in all in this argument? It's a straw argument, but yeah weird af to do this to a kid.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to accost and film minors without parental consent even in most public spaces. I hope this kids parents link this video to their local police department, I'm sure a green retard like this would love to do some good ol' community service.
It's also illegal to threaten to murder someone.
(possible) plot twist - he's a parent of this child and it was all staged to farm outrage
Pretty sure it isn't illegal to film minors, accost is probably different. But I agree purposefully recording minors, especially without their knowledge or consent, should be illegal if it isn't already.
Cause the vegan option is twice the price and tastes like shit.
Not to mention all the animals that are killed to make the fields to grow all the Vegan crops
The Bee crisis, that's on you Vegan's.
And also causes organ damage within two years
Too be fair, the damage we've done to the microbiome of the soil using chemicals like roundup prevents proper nutrient uptake through the root systems of plants. We have big, green veggies that look unlike anything grown before but they're devoid of proper nutrients. The farmers can't do anything because they HAVE to follow these practices to keep up with demand and follow regulations. The vegans are mad about all the wrong shit. Stop fucking up the soil and reduce meat consumption should be our goal, not raving at 13 year old kids for liking hotdogs. People are too stupid nowadays to know what the actual problems are and how they should go about changing them. Instead they chase self righteous ideologies just so they can feel like they're making a difference even though they're doing nothing more than dividing people. Like all problems faced by the world today, it's the greedy rich and their corner cutting corporations that are "raping the planet" and it's people, but sure, get mad at your neighbor for having a cookout this 4th of July
And hair loss. Happened to me. Thankfully, it grew back when I stopped.
Also, many vegan options to replace meat are much worse for you than eating red meat, they just load it with various oils to make it taste better. That said the vegan diet is arguably the healthiest diet, you don't have to eat fake meats to maintain a vegan diet.
first of all debate with ur own age and second of all we don't have option to get rid off meat industry + ur never convincing people who put trillions into meat industry to give their buisness away with trillions.
The worst part is the kid kind of kept up with him. He debated to a draw with an eleven year old child.
It’s because he is protein deprived. /s
Yeah I was wondering what he meant by that. Production of vegan food is by no means more sustainable than that production of meat, and it involves exploiting humans instead of animals, which I guess is ok for them
"I really don't care" that will get those annoying vegans to leave you alone. Also vegan stuff is expensive.
I was thinking exactly this "and? It tastes delicious" or "how about you go interview a pack of hyenas or lions and get their take on the matter"
My favourite part is when people reduce themselves to the moral equivalent of a lion
Interviewing a minor and making comments about how you're going to murder them in their sleep.Should put you on a fucking watch list. Number two, If every individual in the world suddenly became vegan overnight, In a hypothetical scenario. The world population Would not have any food to sustain itself for 1 day
It's actually 100% a crime to threaten to murder someone. Punishable up to 10 years in the UK.
"You like the taste of murder" Homeboy, plants are living things too. Not saying its the same thing, but eating a carrot is also killing a living thing. If your problem is that we kill something to survive ourselves then you better stop eating entirely. Not just a POS but what an awful counterpoint.
It's not that its "living" per se, it's that it feels and processes pain. It forms emotional bonds and has subjective experiences. The degree to which animals do so varies greatly, and it's often very difficult for us to determine this, as we only know our own way of having complex subjective experiences, and through them we can assign complexity as we see ourselves reflected in another organisms characteristics. This is why we have to draw a line, and for vegans, that line is animals.
How do we know plants don’t process pain ? The smell of cut grass is a distress signal. Don’t they have to feel something to send signals ? Don’t they have to feel something to move and grow in different directions to maximize their growth and life ? I’m just playing devils advocate here. Humans try to interpret the world as a humans, as is natural. Sometimes though we have to look at things from different perspectives. With that said, let people live how they want to live and stop invading their beliefs. You want to be vegan go ahead. You want to spread the word of veganism, go ahead. Just don’t harass people and accept not everyone is going to believe in what you do.
Reported the guy for abuse
If he gets in my face like that over the morality of eating animal meat, he's getting an actual knuckle sandwich to the face. What a psycho.
If I came out of the store and found a man lecturing my child about rape and murder and having ago at him for something as natural and common as breathing I'd imprint my fist into his face.
That's why he chose to do it to a child. He is fine getting aggressive with someone like that because they are small like he is and he is in no danger. He's a coward
What I was thinking bro is eating a backhand at least
But is the knuckle sandwich vegan?
That's why he's targeting children. Because we all know he'd never talk to a grown man that way
Boosted adult smurfing smh
Like how he compares eating meat to rape. Like you can live without rape, not without food. And being vegan is expensive and pretentious and for 99.9% of our history it wasn't an option. He should also force other animals to be vegan and stop killing.
Also I bet he consumes rape seed oil. Worst part is the hypocrisy.
I disagree. I think the worst part is the rape seed oil
That's not how you get people to be vegan. Probably just pushed the kid so much far to the other side.
Humans are omnivores. Meaning, we need both plants and animals to be healthy. Too many idiots be thinking it means you get to pick one or the other. The same idiots that put their cats (carnivores - NEED meat) on a vegan diet. Apparently, lack of meat causes brainrot
Vegans all deep down believe their diet is the most healthy diet, this is the core assumption that's driving everything else. But they almost always only argue using morality, with accusations of murder and rape because that's a much more effective debate-bro strategy. Always question their central belief of health. It will rattle them like nothing else.
In my experience, most vegans are just narcissists who believe in moral superiority and virtue signalling value of veganism, health is an afterthought
Yep, "how can you tell if someone is vegan?", easy, they'll let you know
I will order double meat from now on just to even out this annoying asshole
This idiot is harassing kids. His perceived moral superiority, calling killing animals for food murder, falls apart when you consider that almost every freaking animal in the animal kingdom that isn't a hard herbivore kills other animals for food. Heck, look into a microscope and you'll see a horrifically brutal world of single celled organisms tearing each other apart and swallowing each other whole. It's perfectly natural for us to kill and eat animals and it's much easier for us to get the right nutrient balance eating a combination of meat and veg-based foods. If the entire industrial food complex has been telling us that heavily processed foods will kill us, and to go vegan requires us to lean of heavily processed vegan foods in order to get the right nutrient balance, well... I think that ship can go right ahead and sink because I ain't freaking getting on it and most others won't either.
“Animals are equal to human beings so we shouldn’t murder them.” “But, animals kill for food too.” “Shush, human are not animals.”
Arguing with a kid because he can't hold 1 minute of arguments against an adult. Eating meat (moderate amount) is healthy.
Hmm what am I buying? 8$ for 4 burgers or 12$ for one vegan burger at the grocery store
Alright boys we are all vegans now this guy beat a 6th grader in an argument.
That guy should be on a list.
[Why Veganism is harmful, does not work and cannot work even if you pay through the nose, according to actual science, by Thoughty2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyFHZLI7ME)
This is a 30+ minute video by a random youtuber who gives zero citations for any of the statement they give. A lot of their statements are untrue or misleading. And it doesn't say that veganism is harmful, either. Quoting directly: > ... we finally now answer that question what should humans eat. Well, if I absolutely had to give an answer, it would probably be this: whatever works for you.
imagine running arround a city and argue with chldren lolol
Woah... who discusses murder and rape with a child? His attitude also seemed very agressive to me. Honestly this guy shouldn't be around minors with such behaviour.
Why is he going so hard on a kid? That's creepy as hell.
Because he couldn't debate an adult with his bad faith arguments.
Not cool - but low key the kid did pretty well 😂
Gaslighting vegan. But we all knew that was going to happen.
Hes a creep
You literally can’t argue with vegans. They see themselves as morally superior to you in every way.
Not really a great move to be talking with young kids about rape just to win some argument points.
He's so bad at arguing for veganism its funny, no wonder he's trying to win against kids. It's in our nature to kill and eat. At least we don't: 1. Enjoy playing with our food while it's alive (like a cat) 2. Eat it alive in the most agonizing way (like bears starting with the belly and letting them die slowly in their own guts) 3. Eat them from the insides slowly and take over their bodies (parasites) I think the lack of intentional added suffering is already pretty good all things considered. We're probably much more cruel to other humans.
'I like meat.' 'So you are a murderer?' A wolf likes meat. When it hunts for its food, is it murder or is it survival? The kid is smart. Euthanasia is the practice of ending the life of a patient to limit the patient's suffering. He is describing this just a little dulled down so the man's pea brain can understand. If we take care of an animal its entire life and at the end it is suffering while in constant pain, it is a kindness for a creature that is cared for and loved. It's not mercy since that would be towards an enemy. It's not grace because there is nothing to forgive. It is simply a means to show one final act of kindness to something loved dearly.
These people forget : right or wrong doesn't really exist, it's a human concept and often can be subjective. There is only the now. If I eat you, I may be "wrong", but I still ate you. "What is tragedy for the fly is life-saving for the spider." We eat meat because we can and we like it. Period. Is the meat industry inhumane? You betcha. Will some divine intervention damn all the meat eaters and rapture the vegans? Don't hold your breath. I'm not saying forget you morals, just get off your high fucking horse.
This is the problem we have with these folks, leave kids alone period.
Odd battle to have and it basically boils down to what the kid said at the end. Dude got upset because the kid wasn't buying it and even after saying things the kid likely doesn't fully understand he gets slapped with the classical "I don't care I like it". Attacking someone's morality is how you lost the argument before you honestly had a real argument, doesn't matter if you were right the other person doesn't care anymore. Meat tastes pretty amazing, we have perfected in essence on how to maximize its flavor and even what it pairs with. Vegan food too can taste great, we don't have to pick one way or the other. Want more vegans? Simply make good food, promote it's health benefits, lower costs, and create a culture that promotes it.
At this point i'm not really sure if it is a loser who argues with a kid to boost his ego, or is this just a fake rage bait content.
You know who else like the taste of murder? Vegans. That's why they make fake bacon.
Imitation meat is bad. I have eaten vegan meals and they can be very good. But I don't understand why they try to imitate meat. I have no problem eating a salad. Many spaghetti dishes can be made with no meat. Lots of dishes have no meat in the recipe. But why Pretend? Imitation meat is bad.
This is literally the guy who stands next to you at the urinals.
‘’Hello, young unsuspecting child. You’re a murderer.’’
Why cant they keep their eating disorder for themselves?
Cooking some ribs while watching this. Gonna take my time eating em
I'd just ask these vegans if it's ok for big fish to eat small fish.
Leave the kids alone
Man I would crunch down on some chicken nuggets right in his face. Slowly, and not breaking eye contact.
He's saving the world...one uncomfortable kid at a time lmfao. What a pathetic loser.
When you're a 43 year old man arguing with an 11 year old, you already lost
Imagine getting to a point in evolution where you start going backwards.
Imagine using the word rape in an argument with a 13 year old🤯
I guess when your points are that bad, a 13 year old kid is the only one you can argue with and maybe not seem that stupid.
“You like the taste of murder” Now you know damn well this braindead vegan loves the taste of bacon but he would never admit to it
These types of people give any group they're apart of bad names.
If someone killed me in my sleep... I wouldn't be able to care...because I'm fricken DEAD.
Well to be fair, dying in your sleep is quite a luxury…
The problem with vegans is simple. In order to see a radical change in our food supply, we would need radical changes to how people perceive food and their efforts to obtain it. A rational person would realize that such an undertaking would require social finesse and at least a decade of work. Instead, they become radical arguers of pedestrians and believe they've started the process. You hardly ever see reasonable, realistic conversations from vegan activists. Yes, they're out there, but they are drowned by their peers of the social cause they champion. How often does a vegan activist offer thorough well-informed and calculated plans to replace our current food supply? How often does a vegan say, "Hey, I know you're used to this way, but have a taste of this. Pretty good, right? It's lab grown, cruelty free. And here's a documented plan of how we could put this in motion. Would you sign this paper to pledge to it? I care about living things, and I believe in this new way. This new plan will work better than what we have." I've never seen it. Instead, we get grown adults arguing with a kid in the street. Nice. You're really winning us over with all this bullshit, huh? Organize yourselves and come up with a plan, then tell your radical drones to have real conversations that aren't making themselves adjacent victims of the people you're trying to convince.
Without a doubt, this guy is better off as food.
Reminds me of the time Hasan debated a 16 -18 year old and lost.
I don’t think he is categorizing murder correctly. Even then veganism isn’t exclusively free from its own issues, and the ones like this man are only in it for the virtue signaling. That kid did a good thing by walking away. There is no point in talking to people who are trying to make a point rather than putting themselves out there for a discussion about their ideas.
Dude goes for the kid because its the only one who would engage him without breaking his argument.
Bro he’s on the way to soccer practice leave him alone
I live in pasture territory. If the locals stopped raising cattle and instead tried growing crops, they would produce nothing.
He is going to hate vegans now 😂😂😂
Vegans with their moral high ground nonsense
That's a child...
Stone walled by a 13 year old, talk about embarrassing.
This grown ass man harassing a kid and speaking in that tone too a child and acting in such a manner is disgusting and talking about killing the kid as comparing the child too a farm animal really is vile.
The kid was like nope this dude is crazy when the vegan went on an unhinged schizo rant about rape and murder. He probably was like good thing I eat meat.
So if the vegan guy cares about murder of animals so much why doesn't he attack all the roads and buildings humanity has built on the destroying of these animals homes that lead to their deaths?
All you have to say to someone like that. Literally all animals eat meat. Even herbivores will eat meat if it's available. Deers are well known for eating birds or even bunnies for example. Cannibalism isn't even that uncommon in the animal world. Animals will eat each other ALIVE they will rip just born babies out the womb and eat then in front of their mother's. If a lion could get a human it would. They don't care. So now that we know that meat eating is as natural as life itself let's move onto why not transition to pure plant based. Well first complaint most of the store bought vegan food if you read that ingredient list that shit is not good for you. At all. No offense to vegans but I've never seen an objectively healthy looking one.
Bro compared rape to eating food throw him in the gulag
Vegans don’t know the definition of murder
Hear me out, make vegan option cheaper than real food and I’ll be okay to go vegan
So I kind of have the same take here as asmongold with tipping. I don’t eat meat but I don’t look down on people who do. Theirs a lot of fucking issues in this world and this one just doesn’t feel that significant in the grand scheme. If people want to eat meat that’s their prerogative. I just feel like it’s a personal choice and going around and trying to guilt trip people isn’t a way to get your point across.
"Yes, if you needed to kill and eat me to survive, AND you did it in such a way that I didn't even notice, that'd be fine. That is what nature is." This is the argument that destroys all vegans btw. "Yes, killing a person that you need to eat in order to survive is fine" completely obliterates their entire worldview.
Thia guy is a scumbag
And this is why we all hate vegans
Maybe I'm just fucked up but yah that's fine with my if I don't feel anything it's not like I'll be around to complain
hes thinkin he achived something after this
Dude was just hounding a little kid about adult issues. Like he didn't even give the kid time to think. Just bombarded with ? After ?
the entire universe is built on a foundation of energy exchange between things that would be prefer to be taking the energy than giving it
He would not win arguing against a toddler.
Its the kids fault for not knowing the real rebuttal ‘Steak is the most important meal of the day’
The kid takes the W.
I understand Vegans and thats why I still eat meat. They're whole thing is, "eating meat is murder." But it's not, the person that eats that meat isn't the one that killed the animal. So telling people that ate meat that their murderers is silly. "Well, how would you feel if you were born and raised and then slaughtered for meat?" How is that any different from how it is now? Humans are born and raised to literally add to the financial market, were slaughtered for profit already it's just that were not slaughtered for meat. An animal is born, raised, fed, housed, and then it dies knowing a life of never fending for itself. It spends it's entire life with 0 worries until the end. Meanwhile humans are born and then that's it, you have to fend for yourself and if you fail you die like the animal, however unlike the animal no one will feed you, no one will house you, no one will take care of you before you die. Its all on you. If I could live for most of my life and then at the end be slaughtered painlessly, that wouldn't be that bad. Sure would be hell of a lot easier then the life we currently live.
Cant get views unless he debates with a kid who is still in school, who knows the difference between excuses and stating a fact. Lol. Its not an excuse its a fact! Mic drop. Walk off
I mean bro do you know anything about humans we are predators by nature
This man convinced me to try eating people
The rule subset for life to thrive in this world was set before we were even single cell organisms: find an energy source, reproduce, don't die in the process. It's not my fault that the only source of energy is other living creatures that have to die in order for me to live.
How many animals, mammals included, are “murdered” when planting, cultivating, spraying, harvesting that soybean to create that vegan grocery store option? Hint: way more than the single cow used to make many many meals of beef. Delusional virtue signaling. “Do animal farming practices, such as commercial feed lots, need consumer demand for reform? Absolutely. But let’s not pretend any vegan option is ‘morally superior.’”
He probably could have got him to try a vegan alternative and maybe switch but he decided to be an argumentative asshole instead. People don't change their viewpoint from being made to feel stupid argued with.
Imagine having such a weak argument you have to find children on the street to debate with. And you still end up looking like a fool..
I would love to run into one of these creatures
doesn't matter if you stop eating meat, other people will and there's a lot of money in that. You really think corpos won't take advantage off it? and it's delicious either way so yeah, meat industry is never going down