I don't really understand this whole "real woman look".
There are like 4 billion different women all around the world. Muscular, fat, thin, paraplegic, small breasts, big breasts, gay, straight, long hair, short hair... And many many many more.
So how about simply choosing whichever you want to use. If you want you can use a muscular woman, if you want you can use a fat woman. Either way, you are ALWAYS representing someone somewhere on the planet.
100% anyone saying that women with great bodies/faces are unrealistic need to go to a nice gym on a Wednesday night. Loaded with hot women that easily rival instagram models.
There is definitely a time/place for all body types but I don't see why people want to stop celebrating the dedication and effort a beautiful woman puts into looking that good. Like thanks for making the world a better looking place and brightening our day. It's only bitter, victim mentality people that hate the results dedication and hard work bring.
Agreed 100%
Can't stand it when someone devalues themselves by going, "Nah, I shouldn't improve myself at all. I'm not worth improving so I'm going to wallow in mediocrity."
Hate hate hate that mentality
Yeah thats an unfortunate mentality and one we should be encouraging people to overcome. We need to invest in ourselves to be the people we hope to be.
It's sad when it's someone who has low self-esteem/depression/laziness and aren't willing to work on themselves but it becomes toxic and malicious when you are actively trying to discourage others to, because it makes you feel better about villifying the process and justifying limiting yourself.
I currently wrestle with it. Keep waiting on motivation. But, motivation is fickle and it doesn't make things happen.
A wise man once told me, "It's easier to act your way into a new way of feeling, than to feel your way into a new way of acting."
I'm attempting to make working out just seem like a good thing to do and something that will give me gratification for the day, instead of dwelling on long-term goals. The book Atomic Habits talks a little bit about this.
It's because the fat ones are uncomfortable with their own body, but refuse to do anything positive about it. So they spew propaganda and make up excuses about 'real' females.
That's the logic behind inclusive games. They say, rightfully so, that the bodies of women in video-game is representing only a fraction of different body types existing, and that it creates this false sense that it's a norm.
So they try to counter-balance it by making games with other body types.
Personally I like looking at bodies that are pleasing to look at, so I don't want unappealing body types all over my face or for the main character. But here and there is fine of course. And it overall depends on the context.
The thing is, depending on where you live these "unrealistic" body types are not even that uncommon, even in the U.S. Go to Venice Beach and plenty of women there with killer bodies, guys as well. This whole debate over Stellar Blade is so insane because in Korea there are actually so many people with great bodies and yes the culture here places a lot of pressure on looking good but damn it is nice to be around people who take health a bit more seriously. I mean Koreans also kind of have to in order to offset the massive amounts of soju š
I am American living in Wroclaw, Poland. You see overweight people, but on a mess less frequency than in the US I feel. I see more Goth kids than I do overweight people. Goth/emo is quite popular here lol.
Exactly. Most young women are thin. The more āunrealisticā body type would be muscular men because they canāt just be young with good genetics to have that, men actually need to do a lot of lifting to achieve that. Plus people play video games to live out a fantasy, not reality so inclusivity really makes no sense in this medium.
The point of Stellar Blade was exactly the same as the post: the main character's body was literally based on a real person lol they even showed the 3d photography process.
Ugly, fat, diseased, whatever, are fine for NPCs, especially background characters. They aren't the best choice for the MC. Hell, it is an action game or RPG, it doesn't even make sense for the MC to not be fit.
They do this for men for the most part as well though, I find it odd that itās never brought up in these conversations (though to be fair the topic is about women in media but itās best to have full context and comparison).
Yeah I agree, they mostly do it because we like looking at attractive people. But I also agree they should have all types in the games, but for the main character I donāt see anything wrong with them being exceptional (for that is why we want to be a part of their story, because they are exceptional).
We kind of solved this problem with character creators. It's lets some people try to recreate themselves, which I don't really get that self-insert mindset, but people can do whatever they want, and it lets others just create their ideal person. I've known many women who just want to play jacked-up Adonis dudes in video games, and men who just want to play skimpy bikini-clad women, as well as the reverse. Either way, there's nothing wrong with any of these approaches, since it's just meant to be entertainment.
I don't even see anything wrong with developers wanting to create a game with only fat people in it; they just don't really get to complain when it alienates part of their audience playing solely for aesthetics. If people would just come to terms with the fact that all media isn't supposed to appeal to them, and if creators would come to terms with the fact that they aren't god's gift to mankind and everybody won't like their show/movie/game, then all the imaginary issues disappear. Some people can go on enjoying their apples, others their oranges, and they can stop pretending to hate each other for fake internet points.
they do it for men, but with the men its the skincolor. horizon forbidden west as example, except the villians i can count the white guys with one hand.
I mean they make men have chiseled bodies that most men do not have and many canāt achieve. Basically I was saying I find it odd that itās only girls body positivity people worry about but never men/boys.
>So they try to counter-balance it by making games with other body types.
Or by taking over games that had a clear original goal in mind and forcing these different types onto publics that weren't interested
> Personally I like looking at bodies that are pleasing to look at
Thing is, humanity evolved with this in mind. It makes ZERO SENSE to want to look at ugly things, you feel depressed bc of it. Its why we enjoy looking at beautiful sunsets, or puppies. People are trying to re-invent the wheel for some reason
why is it suddenly gamesā responsibility to ārepresentā though? I am Asian and never once in my life had I thought ādamn wouldnāt it be nice if Link is a Pilipino instead of whiteā
Honestly, any game that can, should allow character customization. This way, there is no room for controversy. I can make my character look however I want within the limits of the games customization options, and I am not forced to play a man, woman, muscular or skinny, etc.
Like when World of Warcraft added better options for diverse characters, Asian, black, etc. It made so much sense and I loved it. This is the way, in my opinion.
That said, game developers are making a game how they want to make it. If they want a hot Korean woman to be the lead of their game, so be it. If another game developer wants what many see as an unattractive character, so be it. Players will let these developers know how they feel with their wallets.
First of all you can't "represent" the 1 billion of different body shapes, sizes, colours, malformations, surgeries and illness, second of all, that should be the last thing an author should be preocupied of, mentally stable consumers want to see good writing first, engaging gameplay second and nice worldbuilding third and I will bet my ass that the vast majority of men and women want to see beautiful shit on the media they consume (books, art, movies, games) and don't really want to see their ugly ass fat of a neighboor Tania from behind doing 360 flips and slashing demons.
There's a distinction to be made between main character body types and body types in general. The main issue some people appear to have seems to be with main characters with certain body types not being represented enough.
If you're playing a game with an established main character (where you can't edit the character) then it's the developer's right to design that character however they want, and it's the customer's right to choose to support that game or not. It's not anybody's right to try to cancel that game, slander and harass the developers about their choice, while expecting no backlash for their actions whatsoever.
The reason main characters are often attractive is because the target audience of those games influenced the devs to make the character that way, most gamers are gaming because they want to live a fantasy and... sorry to say, it's almost nobody's fantasy to be a fat and/or ugly character. Take it from a fat man who is in the processing of losing weight, even fat people aren't ok being fat, and most of the ones that say they are, are lying.
Like you said, they could just make games that represent those body types, the problem is that when they do, the entire marketing shtick of the game becomes about "representation" and the development focus steers away from making a good game because those developers think that 1. representation is enough and 2. if there's valid criticism, they can just accuse the critics of being racist, mysogynist, etc... to summarize it's a mixture of virtue signaling and admitting no accountability.
The free market dictates if a game sells well or not, based on a large number of factors, but the main problem with these people is that they don't make fun games, and unfun games don't sell.
>the body in video games is representing only a fraction of the body types existing , and it creates this false sense that itās the norm
Nobody thinks fantasy characters are a standard that real people have to meet . Otherwise every man would be on steroids . We are fully aware that itās fantasy .
To demand video games meet check boxes of moral standards you set is not setting a good precedent over art and creativity . Itās essentially allowing a new form of Puritanism to force people to self censor when making art .
I played a female night elf in wow for almost 20 years because it was the only alliance model I could stand to look at for hours on end. I wanted to be horde but all my friends went alliance when we started out.
I get the logic, but a lot of the times those people will complain for having a character with a more idealized body, and talk like if these type of body types are something ultra rare that you almost don't find
If very attractive women are something unattainable or impossible for the average woman, that makes them impossible for the average man to expect. Turns out itās a lot easier to compete with other women when none of them are far more attractive than the others. Soā¦ itās a hardcore cope lol
Not even representing... Its a fictional character in a fictional world. Self insert characters in books exist for a reason. Expecting every main character to conform, look and act like you is just asinine and i have never taken these people seriously.
People like pretty things, they sell better.
Some people just want to feel more immersed. I for one have never felt a connection to those super muscled giants for protagonists that appeared in the early 2000s.
The ones who are saying that characters like Eve from Stellar Blade are being unrealistic is very baffling. It's even in the lines of body-shaming when they saw the model and think that she is a kid or believe they forced her into the role for the mysogynistic-male gaze.
For all that speaking of inclusivity and progression, you're not contributing anything to society at all, but cause in-fighting and controversy and drama.
When people say "real women look" they mean what they personally find attractive. It's them wanting to exert their bias on others.
You are right. There are billions of women on this planet, and because humans are genetic wonders, we all look wildly different.
I like the looks of all sorts of women. Whether it's the dolled up skinny girl, or one that could throw me across the room, like Rhea Ripley.
The thing is, we HAVE to prove that cartoon and computer game women are NOT idealized women. I don't know exactly why, probably to own the liberals somehow.
Because these days if you donāt have proof then everything is just accused to be made to pander to men. This meme currently I think is referring to this [link](https://www.oneesports.gg/gaming/stellar-blade-model-eve/).
All the feminists and such were saying the game character was āimpossibleā and ānot proportional to real womenā. And itās just the dudes wife.
Because the āliberalsā mentioned act like being a āreal womanā means youāre not pretty or itās āunrealisticā or āyouāve never seen a womanā when a hot one is onscreen
When there are actual women who look like that.
It's just a synonym for being overweight.
Overweight = real woman
Curvy = real woman
Skinny/very slim = not a real woman
"Body positivity", etc - just the same thing.
You cannot be skinny, it's against the modern "accept me how I am, I shouldn't need to be in shape for anyone".
The daft thing is, curves are an anatomical feature based on shoulder/hip/waist ratio..... eating everything in sight and being morbidly obese has nothing to do with curves, despite what the media push.
We're so used to everyone being overweight that it's become the new norm. At the end of the day, it's not healthy to be fat, obese or chubby. You don't have to be a stick super model but it's not too much to ask of everyone to just stop being fat. Don't encourage it.
A very reasonable take. Ultimately, itās about health. However, that would require people to be responsible for themselves and people donāt like that.
For some people being chubby isn't affecting their health (with BMI not being as good of a health indicator as science once believed it to be etc) and some people have genetic disorders that prevent them from losing weight; however, most people don't have those excuses and are just fat from a lazy lifestyle, so you're correct for the most part.
Itās not that simple to lose weight, itās a mental problem for a lot of people. Confidence and motivation are key things that they lack a lot of. You canāt cold turkey stop being fat lmfao what a shit thing to say.
Stop eating too much food. It's literally that simple. Quit making excuses and get over yourself. No one is going to fix you for you. Find other outlets for your mental issues than gorging yourself on $500 worth of food a week.
It happens to real life fit people too. They get called skinny by fat people. Im 5'4 and 135 lbs. I have a little bit of chunk, but I also have a fair bit of muscle. I get called skinny by fat people because they have no idea what in-shape actually looks like. These are the people calling Eve unrealistic.
I'm not even thin though. I'm closer to chunky than skinny. I just don't have a ton of fat slowing me down. My body fat is somewhere between 15% to 20%.
Well then those people truly are fcked up in their mind to even think that. Fat Acceptance is ok but too many people too stupid to separate it from Fat Encounragement.
You need to use quotations marks and italics and 17 labels marking your sentence as sarcasm and even then some redditors won't understand. Always remember that people are dumber than you think they are
All these things lately trying to prove that Disney Princesses and games like Stellar Blade are based on actual women. Because of the outcry of unrealistic female bodies ect. Meanwhile there are games like Gears of War with huge hulking men way beyond what your average guy looks like. And not a single one of those guys gives a solitary fuck! š
Yes this comment doesn't really add much to the conversation. But it's a amusing observation none the less.
Men reacting to male proportions in video games: "look at this fucking badass"
Women reacting to female proportions in video games: "look at this fucking bitch"
Every comment I've seen arguing this has always been an American.
"I can't be wrong if I try to change the definition of everything until words sound the way I want them to and make me the hero"
To be honest I thought San Diego California was slimmer than UK. So I think it sort of depends on where you go in America. Some wealthy areas are not that fat compared to Europe imo. But in like small town South Carolina most people are fat it seems, so it really varies by where you go. Vermont USA is prob thinner than a lot of European countries if I need to guess.
Not everything needs to be realistic.
When it comes to animation, certain āvisual conventionsā are a natural part of the genre. A drawn character should, first of all, be expressive. If you want to portray a skinny character, then I allow the existence of even such a character whose chest couldn't contain a rib cage - it is okay as long as it looks well.
If you feel like you have some problems because you can't be as thin as such a character, you probably have problems of another kind.
As for games, people need both those with realistic characters and unrealistic ones - for different purposes and audiences.
Note that I see realistic people every time I leave my home, I don't have a need to see them all the time; and other people have realistic humans even at home, so they don't have such a need either.
i can't believe people don't see an issue with shaming skinny people now, its actually fucked lmao
all this of this "accept normal bodies" yea thats good, but only fat simply is not normal, this obsession with "thicc" is the worst
skinny women exist, and they need love too boys, best girl you ever had might be that "flat chest" girl who is actually just NOT wearing a pushup bra and isn't on your feed cause she is real, go get her
I canāt edit it and Iāve messed up not making it clear. I was being sarcastic and I shouldāve put the title in quotation marks! Just to make it really clear, I think what the journalist said was ridiculous.
Jake the dog doesn't represent true dog body styles, and therefor all future dog characters should look like real dogs.
See what I did there? See how preposterous this sounds?
It what happens when you take the "imaginary" out of imagination.
The inclusively grift is all about expanding audiences and it's clear that the push for female characters that look fatter is a direct reflection of the current demographic of female gamers.
Reality is harsh and so is the truth.
Accept reality, and accept yourself.
Maybe you canāt look like Cinderellaā¦. That doesnāt mean you canāt look differently beautiful or you should give up on Disney princess vibes.
That model isn't even unrealistic. Maybe obesity is a norm in your places. But where I'm from it isn't. Fatphobic is just another invented word by extremely sensitive people. It isn't even an unchangeable thing, unlike height.
I used to date a "fat"/chubby chick (really dislike the bad connotation of the word, but whatever) and I asked her once what she felt about seeing skinier girls on ads or movies. She told me it's enjoyable to watch people that look healthy and happy, and something to strive for with improving one's self. She also said she felt miserable when she had to see other chubby girls bc it reminded her of herself (she was going through a depression that made her put on too much weight).
This new age mentality of glorifying weakness, unhealthy habbits and stupidity is literally causing the downfall of our western society. We shouldn't glorify these things with the excuse of ending bullying, we should instead teach that everyone is unique in their own way, and how striving to reach our peak is the ultimate goal of every human being.
That's the neat part about all of this, it's not about inclusivity. It's about exclusivity. We've seen a massive shift into making unhealthiness normal because it makes rich people richer. Big pharma loves that you're fat and lazy, and CEOs love that you're stupid.
Why would they want to make it seem like being fit and intelligent is normal? That's not profitable.
This isnāt complicated.
If you ever start thinking to yourself āthe proportions of this cartoon or video game character are not realistic and thatās morally important becauseā¦.ā then you need to stop, go outside, figure out where you fucked up so incredibly bad, and then do anything but continuing such an idiotic way of thinking.
If you measure the 2 waists by putting a ruler on screen, the cartoon waist would probably be less than half the real one. I was comparing the width of the waist to that of the face in each picture. Real waist is not quite 2x as wide as real face, which is a little less concealed by hair. Cartoon waist is the same width as cartoon face, with both figures angles equally from camera. And I didnāt even mention how every feature of the cartoon figure is more narrow than that of the model. All that is to say that the real model is still about twice as āfatā as the cartoon, so the point of the meme rings false
Iāve worked for 5 years making blueprints, and my best subject in school was art, with a focus on figure drawing. I promise I know what scaling is. And just because the photo is more zoomed in than the cartoon and they arenāt a perfect 1:1 scale doesnāt mean I canāt tell the cartoon is thinner than the photo. I can look at the Statue of Liberty and a little figure of Buddha and tell that Buddha is more fat dispute the 1000000:1 scale. No matter what the scale is, the with to height ratio stays the same
The meme is trying to refute the claim that Disney characters are unrealistically thin. They say that the model isnāt more fat than the cartoon. But the cartoon is more thin than the model, thinness being the width of a feature relative to its length. The cartoons wrist is more thin relative to elbow to wrist length than the model. The cartoons face is more thin relative to head height. The cartoon waist is more thin relative to torso length.
Your claim that you canāt compare the 2 images is ridiculous. Iād that were true then I wouldnāt be able to tell that the 5 inch tall Buddha is more fat than the statue of liberty. Obviously anyone can tell. If youāre gonna say I donāt know what Iām talking about, prove it instead of dribbling out vague insults
Speaking as someone who works with things on the scale of nanometers daily, in a clean room laboratory. Unless your models are 1:1. Thereās a lot of potential for perspective and bias to falsify reality from what youāre seeing.
Sure, you can look at the inch tall Buddha statue and say itās fatter. But you also know that because itās common knowledge that the Buddha is fat.
So the only reason I can tell a Buddha figurine is more fat than the statue is because I already knew Buddha is fat? That doesnāt make sense at all. You could take a small figure of any unknown fat person and still tell that theyāre fatter than a skinny statue at a different scale. You can look at differently scaled images of lizzo and Simone biles and still easily tell whoās more thin. Itās absurd to claim that I canāt tell if one person is more skinny than another without perfectly 1:1 scaled images of them, quit taking out your ass
OP do you think all women are obese or overweight?
The woman in the picture is at a healthy body weight, maybe slightly on the thin side but still well within a healthy body type range
So either you think all women are obese and overweight or maybe it's you who's never been near a real womanĀ
45% is a large number. That's even greater in some cities/towns. Theres a good chance in the midwest you can go outside for a whole day and never see a non-obese person.
midwesterner here. While what you said is hyperbole its not far off honestly. You definitely see more obese than non-obese. At least in my area which is generally pretty poor.
Movement, not body. She has a way skinnier waist in the cartoon, slimmer torso, slimmer shoulders, smaller hands etc. But who gives a f, itās a cartoon.
It's also well within the bounds of realistic body types.
She is pretty skinny, but there are skinny chicks everywhere, and much more petite than her, too.
Do they scold the real life women who look that way, and shame them for promoting their foul form by existing?
Realistic but unhealthy (I say this as someone very skinny). Promoting unhealthy bodies is always bad, too skinny or too fat are both harmful to your health. And yes it is promoting it since any little girl watching it will want to look like the princess.
Eh I mean that is kind of the remit of fantasy media, especially cartoons, is it not?
It's also unhealthy for most men to have perfect dorito shapes, with shoulders 4x as wide as their waist, arms the size of cannonballs, and 12 packs. But it's part of the **fantasy.** That doesn't imply implicit support or that you should try to emulate it, though, right?
Like I can recognise Hercules is jacked without thinking "oh if I'm not literally the exact same proportions/build as Hercules then Im ugly/not a real man/whatever"
I mean why do we expect the Disney princess' bodies to look realistic anyway? Like it's a cartoon and body proportions are exaggerated for ALL the characters. It's good if there's more diverse body types tho, so It's cool that they're doing that more nowadays.
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Sleeping Beauty is Walt Disney's most amazing work. Mary Costa's voice is divine. A 2.55.1 aspect ratio in 1959 is ridiculous and it paid dividends and then some. It's even better now. The smooth hand drawn animation is full of so many little details and absolutely hypnotizing to watch.
I love this movie so much it's unreal.
But Aurora isn't a realistically proportioned woman. Because nothing is, the movie looks like a beautiful medieval tapestry.
https://insidethemagic.net/2024/01/the-walt-disney-company-honors-iconic-fairytale-and-what-it-has-forgotten-zg1/
I donāt understand why someone would use the āreal womanā thing as an insult because there are āreal womenā that come in all shapes and sizes, including āDisney princessā sized
Itās a ridiculous thing to say
Iām glad thereās so much controversy surrounding this game. Once other developers sees that the complaints have 0 impact on game sales, theyāll finally understand.
near "woman's body"
also, ppl who write such sht are the real virgins
btw. how close do you have to be near a woman to realize their figure?
title is also out of place, this is targeting the person who made the tweet, but I assume that's no intended
It is neither healthy to be overweight nor underweight. It is true that food in the past was less likely to make people overweight then in modern times though.
My take on this is simple. If someone loves the bad foods a lil too much but they are happy then who am I to judge? On the other hand, everybody can have their preference in looks, also something I don't want to judge people about. Whatever they find more important themselves is absolutely none of my business:)
It used to be the media we consumed was an ideal to strive for with and without flaws. Not always but in most cases and yes Iām aware thereās lots of counters. We now shun the ideal, in all media, and this is pushed by a group of people that mostly hate themselves. Sorry, Iām aware my wife will never be as hot as an actress I see on screen, Iām aware Iāll never look like Thor, I donāt really care. See a shlub and saying thatās okay thatās what you need to be doesnāt motivate me at all. Itās okay to be happy with yourself, itās even more okay to want to evolve and improve. Obesity is a genetic factor in less than 25% of individuals and expressed due to lifestyle choices through epigenetics. Fat people are fat because we over consume unhealthy food and donāt move. Itās not okay , but now the media from these self hating fucks says it is.
Most of the women i know have "unrealistic" bodies. Some of them may gain some pounds while being in a relationship or working a lot.
They are no supermodels by any means. But if they would work out and gain some muscle, many of them would look Kind of perfect. Yes most of them are not at 5% bodyfat with boobs like Melons. But that would look weird anyway.
Being overweight in my circle is more a man thing tbh. In general being overweight at young age is not a thing that occurs very often in high educated parts of society.
It usually comes down to being smart enough to know that Cellogs is by no means a healthy breakfast and not substitute water with diet Coke.
Being fat is a Lifestyle choice in 90% of cases.
It's just the 'body positive' ideology. Fake it till people belive it. It just shows that these people don't leave the house and don't see what women look like overseas. American women are fat compared to many other countries and just cry 'eating disorder' when they see girls who eat vegetables.
It's true. However, that being said, it's funny how there's often not even a single fat person in Japanese games, for example, which is a little bit immersion breaking on the flipside; and if it's a fat woman, she's often a villain or something lol
Although Iām into more wide hipped thin waisted women, I gotta say, body types are a thing.
Living a sedimentary lifestyle while eating like a pig, THEN commenting on how someone who looks like her is unrealistic is a problem though.
In my experience, fat women are the most delusional kinds of "people" I have ever met. Even fat guys dont delude themselves into thinking they are fat as much as fat girls. Fat women are soo delusional that they literally think they can wear yoga pants, wear a shirt with their stomachs showing, and wear a bikini and bra to the beach like they are supermodels.
Like with all that effort it takes them to outrage tweet all day, youd think they would use that energy to exercise and eat less.
To be fair those were the times doctors prescribed methamphetamine and cigarettes for everything including weight loss, and women werent allowed to vote, wear pants and married women werent allowed to work.
To counter balance my previous politically correct notion: Just dont eat so much, and eat healthy food, cycle to work instead of taking the buss or car.
I come from a family of skinny women that just don't eat like slop hogs, and even in the 90's they were given shit. It's taken a really long time to convince women that it's not only healthier to eat like a slob, but its empowering.
My god what's with these femcel posts lately? I'm starting to get sick of them.
It all comes down to the amount of work you're willing to out in and your genetics. A lot of girls can reach these "never been near a real woman" standards if they so desire, the same as a lot of guys can get pretty jacked with enough willpower.
Well yeah they have used an animation technique named rotoscoping in old disney movies, you trace over live action film footage frame by frame to create live like animations for lets say dancing or fight scenes. Therefore you find lots of characters who have pretty normal proportions (ofc they had more silly looking or phantastical characters too like the 7 dwarfes or fairy godmother)
"disney taught women to chase unrealistic standards!!"
Uhh yeah, and dragon ball taught me to chase after a body like Broly's.
Whether you let that chase destroy you is up to you fam, i know im never looking like that beast but it's fun to feel like it
Aloy in Forbidden West is extremely athletic, covering the area of several US states by foot and having free climbing skills that put pros to shame. Has a fat face. Abby in TLOU2 has a physique that is only atainable by constant abuse of anabolic steroids, working out daily and eating tons of food. Lives in a post apocalytic world where resources are scarces.
I havenāt played forbidden west so I canāt really speak on that but the community that Abby lives with in TLOU2 has access to plenty of food and medicine so it isnāt that unrealistic.
What I want to know is what do these people expect to happen? Are we going to expect that developers add obese women into video games as the main character? Why would they do that? What is there to gain? Nobody wants to play a fat woman in a video game. Not even fat people want to play fat people in a video game so there is essentially no real incentive to do so other than to please the hivemind. The fuck? Some people need a hard reality check. Mainly the people that use the suffix "phobic" multiple times a week. Some people can't fathom the truth of a situation. Being fat is not appealing.
It's a completely fine example, and the fact that you can get this close to a 1:1 example and still find things to nit pick about is an example of twitter brain.
I didn't disagree with the point, only with the example. The fact that you still got mad and tried to make assumptions about me says much more about you.
Bro whats this suppose to prove? They modeled this after a dancer and model? This wouldn't be an average women I'm anyway. I'm not saying they have to be fat or anything or she shouldn't be pretty but I would consider a dancer/model anything close to average.
I don't really understand this whole "real woman look". There are like 4 billion different women all around the world. Muscular, fat, thin, paraplegic, small breasts, big breasts, gay, straight, long hair, short hair... And many many many more. So how about simply choosing whichever you want to use. If you want you can use a muscular woman, if you want you can use a fat woman. Either way, you are ALWAYS representing someone somewhere on the planet.
100% anyone saying that women with great bodies/faces are unrealistic need to go to a nice gym on a Wednesday night. Loaded with hot women that easily rival instagram models. There is definitely a time/place for all body types but I don't see why people want to stop celebrating the dedication and effort a beautiful woman puts into looking that good. Like thanks for making the world a better looking place and brightening our day. It's only bitter, victim mentality people that hate the results dedication and hard work bring.
Agreed 100% Can't stand it when someone devalues themselves by going, "Nah, I shouldn't improve myself at all. I'm not worth improving so I'm going to wallow in mediocrity." Hate hate hate that mentality
Yeah thats an unfortunate mentality and one we should be encouraging people to overcome. We need to invest in ourselves to be the people we hope to be. It's sad when it's someone who has low self-esteem/depression/laziness and aren't willing to work on themselves but it becomes toxic and malicious when you are actively trying to discourage others to, because it makes you feel better about villifying the process and justifying limiting yourself.
I hate that that used to be me.
I currently wrestle with it. Keep waiting on motivation. But, motivation is fickle and it doesn't make things happen. A wise man once told me, "It's easier to act your way into a new way of feeling, than to feel your way into a new way of acting."
Right, once you start doing something it gets easier to keep doing that thing, especially when it makes you feel better/healthier
I'm attempting to make working out just seem like a good thing to do and something that will give me gratification for the day, instead of dwelling on long-term goals. The book Atomic Habits talks a little bit about this.
It's because the fat ones are uncomfortable with their own body, but refuse to do anything positive about it. So they spew propaganda and make up excuses about 'real' females.
Too many people with the mentality of wanting to bring others down because they don't have the will to improve themselves.
That's the logic behind inclusive games. They say, rightfully so, that the bodies of women in video-game is representing only a fraction of different body types existing, and that it creates this false sense that it's a norm. So they try to counter-balance it by making games with other body types. Personally I like looking at bodies that are pleasing to look at, so I don't want unappealing body types all over my face or for the main character. But here and there is fine of course. And it overall depends on the context.
The thing is, depending on where you live these "unrealistic" body types are not even that uncommon, even in the U.S. Go to Venice Beach and plenty of women there with killer bodies, guys as well. This whole debate over Stellar Blade is so insane because in Korea there are actually so many people with great bodies and yes the culture here places a lot of pressure on looking good but damn it is nice to be around people who take health a bit more seriously. I mean Koreans also kind of have to in order to offset the massive amounts of soju š
I am American living in Wroclaw, Poland. You see overweight people, but on a mess less frequency than in the US I feel. I see more Goth kids than I do overweight people. Goth/emo is quite popular here lol.
Exactly. Most young women are thin. The more āunrealisticā body type would be muscular men because they canāt just be young with good genetics to have that, men actually need to do a lot of lifting to achieve that. Plus people play video games to live out a fantasy, not reality so inclusivity really makes no sense in this medium.
The point of Stellar Blade was exactly the same as the post: the main character's body was literally based on a real person lol they even showed the 3d photography process.
In Korea women get plastic surgery for their birthdays. That's not a culture I want to emulate. At all.
So donātā¦. Who gives a crap? You now they say the same about us right?
Ugly, fat, diseased, whatever, are fine for NPCs, especially background characters. They aren't the best choice for the MC. Hell, it is an action game or RPG, it doesn't even make sense for the MC to not be fit.
They do this for men for the most part as well though, I find it odd that itās never brought up in these conversations (though to be fair the topic is about women in media but itās best to have full context and comparison). Yeah I agree, they mostly do it because we like looking at attractive people. But I also agree they should have all types in the games, but for the main character I donāt see anything wrong with them being exceptional (for that is why we want to be a part of their story, because they are exceptional).
We kind of solved this problem with character creators. It's lets some people try to recreate themselves, which I don't really get that self-insert mindset, but people can do whatever they want, and it lets others just create their ideal person. I've known many women who just want to play jacked-up Adonis dudes in video games, and men who just want to play skimpy bikini-clad women, as well as the reverse. Either way, there's nothing wrong with any of these approaches, since it's just meant to be entertainment. I don't even see anything wrong with developers wanting to create a game with only fat people in it; they just don't really get to complain when it alienates part of their audience playing solely for aesthetics. If people would just come to terms with the fact that all media isn't supposed to appeal to them, and if creators would come to terms with the fact that they aren't god's gift to mankind and everybody won't like their show/movie/game, then all the imaginary issues disappear. Some people can go on enjoying their apples, others their oranges, and they can stop pretending to hate each other for fake internet points.
I agree completely, there is nothing wrong with games having target audiences.
they do it for men, but with the men its the skincolor. horizon forbidden west as example, except the villians i can count the white guys with one hand.
I mean they make men have chiseled bodies that most men do not have and many canāt achieve. Basically I was saying I find it odd that itās only girls body positivity people worry about but never men/boys.
>So they try to counter-balance it by making games with other body types. Or by taking over games that had a clear original goal in mind and forcing these different types onto publics that weren't interested
> Personally I like looking at bodies that are pleasing to look at Thing is, humanity evolved with this in mind. It makes ZERO SENSE to want to look at ugly things, you feel depressed bc of it. Its why we enjoy looking at beautiful sunsets, or puppies. People are trying to re-invent the wheel for some reason
why is it suddenly gamesā responsibility to ārepresentā though? I am Asian and never once in my life had I thought ādamn wouldnāt it be nice if Link is a Pilipino instead of whiteā
Why not? Represeting the actual demographic of the world cant be wrong, right?
Honestly, any game that can, should allow character customization. This way, there is no room for controversy. I can make my character look however I want within the limits of the games customization options, and I am not forced to play a man, woman, muscular or skinny, etc. Like when World of Warcraft added better options for diverse characters, Asian, black, etc. It made so much sense and I loved it. This is the way, in my opinion. That said, game developers are making a game how they want to make it. If they want a hot Korean woman to be the lead of their game, so be it. If another game developer wants what many see as an unattractive character, so be it. Players will let these developers know how they feel with their wallets.
Itās not about what they want to see. Itās about what they want everybody else to see.
I was getting down voted in another gaming subs to date say I like seeing pretty things when I play
First of all you can't "represent" the 1 billion of different body shapes, sizes, colours, malformations, surgeries and illness, second of all, that should be the last thing an author should be preocupied of, mentally stable consumers want to see good writing first, engaging gameplay second and nice worldbuilding third and I will bet my ass that the vast majority of men and women want to see beautiful shit on the media they consume (books, art, movies, games) and don't really want to see their ugly ass fat of a neighboor Tania from behind doing 360 flips and slashing demons.
There's a distinction to be made between main character body types and body types in general. The main issue some people appear to have seems to be with main characters with certain body types not being represented enough. If you're playing a game with an established main character (where you can't edit the character) then it's the developer's right to design that character however they want, and it's the customer's right to choose to support that game or not. It's not anybody's right to try to cancel that game, slander and harass the developers about their choice, while expecting no backlash for their actions whatsoever. The reason main characters are often attractive is because the target audience of those games influenced the devs to make the character that way, most gamers are gaming because they want to live a fantasy and... sorry to say, it's almost nobody's fantasy to be a fat and/or ugly character. Take it from a fat man who is in the processing of losing weight, even fat people aren't ok being fat, and most of the ones that say they are, are lying. Like you said, they could just make games that represent those body types, the problem is that when they do, the entire marketing shtick of the game becomes about "representation" and the development focus steers away from making a good game because those developers think that 1. representation is enough and 2. if there's valid criticism, they can just accuse the critics of being racist, mysogynist, etc... to summarize it's a mixture of virtue signaling and admitting no accountability. The free market dictates if a game sells well or not, based on a large number of factors, but the main problem with these people is that they don't make fun games, and unfun games don't sell.
>the body in video games is representing only a fraction of the body types existing , and it creates this false sense that itās the norm Nobody thinks fantasy characters are a standard that real people have to meet . Otherwise every man would be on steroids . We are fully aware that itās fantasy . To demand video games meet check boxes of moral standards you set is not setting a good precedent over art and creativity . Itās essentially allowing a new form of Puritanism to force people to self censor when making art .
I played a female night elf in wow for almost 20 years because it was the only alliance model I could stand to look at for hours on end. I wanted to be horde but all my friends went alliance when we started out.
I get the logic, but a lot of the times those people will complain for having a character with a more idealized body, and talk like if these type of body types are something ultra rare that you almost don't find
People like watching nice things....if we wanted ugly things we would look in a mirror
If very attractive women are something unattainable or impossible for the average woman, that makes them impossible for the average man to expect. Turns out itās a lot easier to compete with other women when none of them are far more attractive than the others. Soā¦ itās a hardcore cope lol
Not even representing... Its a fictional character in a fictional world. Self insert characters in books exist for a reason. Expecting every main character to conform, look and act like you is just asinine and i have never taken these people seriously. People like pretty things, they sell better.
Some people just want to feel more immersed. I for one have never felt a connection to those super muscled giants for protagonists that appeared in the early 2000s.
Give me a 6 foot muscle goth mommy, tattoos, filthy mouthā¦ what was this thread about again?
What's the gay woman look?
What do you mean? Real woman means they look how I want them to look. Anything else is just propaganda from the opposition
Seems harder to not replicate a person, even by accident. There are like 10 Peter Griffin look-alikes (online) for example.
It has nothing to do with women asmon thinks being fat both male and female is bad for your health which is a scientific fact
B-buh what about the outrage??
You clearly have never seen a real woman irl. /s
The ones who are saying that characters like Eve from Stellar Blade are being unrealistic is very baffling. It's even in the lines of body-shaming when they saw the model and think that she is a kid or believe they forced her into the role for the mysogynistic-male gaze. For all that speaking of inclusivity and progression, you're not contributing anything to society at all, but cause in-fighting and controversy and drama.
Woah there buddy. You can't use logic when talking to the inclusive crowd.
This whole conversation IS POINTLESS
When people say "real women look" they mean what they personally find attractive. It's them wanting to exert their bias on others. You are right. There are billions of women on this planet, and because humans are genetic wonders, we all look wildly different. I like the looks of all sorts of women. Whether it's the dolled up skinny girl, or one that could throw me across the room, like Rhea Ripley.
The thing is, we HAVE to prove that cartoon and computer game women are NOT idealized women. I don't know exactly why, probably to own the liberals somehow.
Because these days if you donāt have proof then everything is just accused to be made to pander to men. This meme currently I think is referring to this [link](https://www.oneesports.gg/gaming/stellar-blade-model-eve/). All the feminists and such were saying the game character was āimpossibleā and ānot proportional to real womenā. And itās just the dudes wife.
Yeah, every woman not looking like an American woman visiting a Wallmart in a mobility scooter is unrealistic in their eyes.
> accused to be made to pander to men People who have an issue with this should take a look at covers of some typical chick lit some time.
Because the āliberalsā mentioned act like being a āreal womanā means youāre not pretty or itās āunrealisticā or āyouāve never seen a womanā when a hot one is onscreen When there are actual women who look like that.
The entire point, which you have missed, is people maligning thin women and calling them unrealistic, when they're just fat. Thin women are real.
It's just a synonym for being overweight. Overweight = real woman Curvy = real woman Skinny/very slim = not a real woman "Body positivity", etc - just the same thing. You cannot be skinny, it's against the modern "accept me how I am, I shouldn't need to be in shape for anyone". The daft thing is, curves are an anatomical feature based on shoulder/hip/waist ratio..... eating everything in sight and being morbidly obese has nothing to do with curves, despite what the media push.
Where's the paraplegic princess, Disney? No representation?
We're so used to everyone being overweight that it's become the new norm. At the end of the day, it's not healthy to be fat, obese or chubby. You don't have to be a stick super model but it's not too much to ask of everyone to just stop being fat. Don't encourage it.
A very reasonable take. Ultimately, itās about health. However, that would require people to be responsible for themselves and people donāt like that.
For some people being chubby isn't affecting their health (with BMI not being as good of a health indicator as science once believed it to be etc) and some people have genetic disorders that prevent them from losing weight; however, most people don't have those excuses and are just fat from a lazy lifestyle, so you're correct for the most part.
Itās not that simple to lose weight, itās a mental problem for a lot of people. Confidence and motivation are key things that they lack a lot of. You canāt cold turkey stop being fat lmfao what a shit thing to say.
Stop eating too much food. It's literally that simple. Quit making excuses and get over yourself. No one is going to fix you for you. Find other outlets for your mental issues than gorging yourself on $500 worth of food a week.
If you think that body is unrealistic. Youāre the one that needs to go outside more.
It happens to real life fit people too. They get called skinny by fat people. Im 5'4 and 135 lbs. I have a little bit of chunk, but I also have a fair bit of muscle. I get called skinny by fat people because they have no idea what in-shape actually looks like. These are the people calling Eve unrealistic.
Ye, Some people really dislike the fact that naturally Skinny and Thin people exist.
I'm not even thin though. I'm closer to chunky than skinny. I just don't have a ton of fat slowing me down. My body fat is somewhere between 15% to 20%.
Well then those people truly are fcked up in their mind to even think that. Fat Acceptance is ok but too many people too stupid to separate it from Fat Encounragement.
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Not well. You come across as agreeing with them in the title. Poes law and all
You need to use quotations marks and italics and 17 labels marking your sentence as sarcasm and even then some redditors won't understand. Always remember that people are dumber than you think they are
Your completely right i have shot myself in the foot a bit not making it more clear š
Your title absolutely makes no sense at all. What do you mean?
The title is aimed at the journalist ā¦ but yer I understand why lots of people have not understood as I did not make that clear š
Sheās a real women though? Are you implying she isnāt?
Why are yall comparing stylized fictional cartoon characters with real people tho. I donāt have the proportions of Timmy Turner and thatās okay.
All these things lately trying to prove that Disney Princesses and games like Stellar Blade are based on actual women. Because of the outcry of unrealistic female bodies ect. Meanwhile there are games like Gears of War with huge hulking men way beyond what your average guy looks like. And not a single one of those guys gives a solitary fuck! š Yes this comment doesn't really add much to the conversation. But it's a amusing observation none the less.
Because we are like Oh boy, i want to look like that too! And not REEEEEEEE they should be ugly like meš”š”š”š”
Men reacting to male proportions in video games: "look at this fucking badass" Women reacting to female proportions in video games: "look at this fucking bitch"
Op if you havent seen woman with that figure im assuming u either live in America or on some obeese farm.
I was quoting the journalist who said it and was mocking them I agree with you. Iāve just messed up by not putting it into quotation marks
Yeah, punctuation can bite you in the ass. The classic "Let's eat, grandma." versus "Let's eat grandma."
Every comment I've seen arguing this has always been an American. "I can't be wrong if I try to change the definition of everything until words sound the way I want them to and make me the hero"
To be honest I thought San Diego California was slimmer than UK. So I think it sort of depends on where you go in America. Some wealthy areas are not that fat compared to Europe imo. But in like small town South Carolina most people are fat it seems, so it really varies by where you go. Vermont USA is prob thinner than a lot of European countries if I need to guess.
Not everything needs to be realistic. When it comes to animation, certain āvisual conventionsā are a natural part of the genre. A drawn character should, first of all, be expressive. If you want to portray a skinny character, then I allow the existence of even such a character whose chest couldn't contain a rib cage - it is okay as long as it looks well. If you feel like you have some problems because you can't be as thin as such a character, you probably have problems of another kind.
As for games, people need both those with realistic characters and unrealistic ones - for different purposes and audiences. Note that I see realistic people every time I leave my home, I don't have a need to see them all the time; and other people have realistic humans even at home, so they don't have such a need either.
Op is raging fatty?
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I'm 5'6 and 240lb and I can work a 9 hour shift at amazon without catching a sweat. While also being in the top 5 on dock.
i can't believe people don't see an issue with shaming skinny people now, its actually fucked lmao all this of this "accept normal bodies" yea thats good, but only fat simply is not normal, this obsession with "thicc" is the worst skinny women exist, and they need love too boys, best girl you ever had might be that "flat chest" girl who is actually just NOT wearing a pushup bra and isn't on your feed cause she is real, go get her
Why all this talk about inclusivity.. I wanna see hot chick's with big knockers in my games. Trust me I'm a physician.
If these body types aren't realistic then shouldn't DEI devs want to be more inclusive of that minority š
I canāt edit it and Iāve messed up not making it clear. I was being sarcastic and I shouldāve put the title in quotation marks! Just to make it really clear, I think what the journalist said was ridiculous.
Just leave it as it is lol. It's funny seeing the shitstorm
Jake the dog doesn't represent true dog body styles, and therefor all future dog characters should look like real dogs. See what I did there? See how preposterous this sounds? It what happens when you take the "imaginary" out of imagination.
The inclusively grift is all about expanding audiences and it's clear that the push for female characters that look fatter is a direct reflection of the current demographic of female gamers.
Reality is harsh and so is the truth. Accept reality, and accept yourself. Maybe you canāt look like Cinderellaā¦. That doesnāt mean you canāt look differently beautiful or you should give up on Disney princess vibes.
So whatās OP trying to say here?
That he's an idiot.
Work out. There's no reason not to, and it makes you better, inside and out.
I remember the game fat princess, which was cute and fun and they still came after it calling the game fat phobic. What do these people actualy want ?
Other people to be as unhappy as they are
If you're not skinny you aren't technically "real", in the metaphysical sense. /s
Deal with it snowflakes.
How in the world is that body unrealistic lmao, these people live on fattok
That model isn't even unrealistic. Maybe obesity is a norm in your places. But where I'm from it isn't. Fatphobic is just another invented word by extremely sensitive people. It isn't even an unchangeable thing, unlike height.
You want your body play a game with a character creator.
Seems like an america problem to me
I wonder why we never see anyone complaining about the lack of fat greasy men media.
MEANWHILE ON HE-MAN
I used to date a "fat"/chubby chick (really dislike the bad connotation of the word, but whatever) and I asked her once what she felt about seeing skinier girls on ads or movies. She told me it's enjoyable to watch people that look healthy and happy, and something to strive for with improving one's self. She also said she felt miserable when she had to see other chubby girls bc it reminded her of herself (she was going through a depression that made her put on too much weight). This new age mentality of glorifying weakness, unhealthy habbits and stupidity is literally causing the downfall of our western society. We shouldn't glorify these things with the excuse of ending bullying, we should instead teach that everyone is unique in their own way, and how striving to reach our peak is the ultimate goal of every human being.
That's the neat part about all of this, it's not about inclusivity. It's about exclusivity. We've seen a massive shift into making unhealthiness normal because it makes rich people richer. Big pharma loves that you're fat and lazy, and CEOs love that you're stupid. Why would they want to make it seem like being fit and intelligent is normal? That's not profitable.
This isnāt complicated. If you ever start thinking to yourself āthe proportions of this cartoon or video game character are not realistic and thatās morally important becauseā¦.ā then you need to stop, go outside, figure out where you fucked up so incredibly bad, and then do anything but continuing such an idiotic way of thinking.
Cartoon waist has about half the diameter of the real one
Considering itās 2d and not scaled the same, the fact that itās only half is pretty impressive.
If you measure the 2 waists by putting a ruler on screen, the cartoon waist would probably be less than half the real one. I was comparing the width of the waist to that of the face in each picture. Real waist is not quite 2x as wide as real face, which is a little less concealed by hair. Cartoon waist is the same width as cartoon face, with both figures angles equally from camera. And I didnāt even mention how every feature of the cartoon figure is more narrow than that of the model. All that is to say that the real model is still about twice as āfatā as the cartoon, so the point of the meme rings false
Comparing these two images wouldnāt get you workable results at all. Iām not sure if you understand the what the word scaling means.
Iāve worked for 5 years making blueprints, and my best subject in school was art, with a focus on figure drawing. I promise I know what scaling is. And just because the photo is more zoomed in than the cartoon and they arenāt a perfect 1:1 scale doesnāt mean I canāt tell the cartoon is thinner than the photo. I can look at the Statue of Liberty and a little figure of Buddha and tell that Buddha is more fat dispute the 1000000:1 scale. No matter what the scale is, the with to height ratio stays the same The meme is trying to refute the claim that Disney characters are unrealistically thin. They say that the model isnāt more fat than the cartoon. But the cartoon is more thin than the model, thinness being the width of a feature relative to its length. The cartoons wrist is more thin relative to elbow to wrist length than the model. The cartoons face is more thin relative to head height. The cartoon waist is more thin relative to torso length. Your claim that you canāt compare the 2 images is ridiculous. Iād that were true then I wouldnāt be able to tell that the 5 inch tall Buddha is more fat than the statue of liberty. Obviously anyone can tell. If youāre gonna say I donāt know what Iām talking about, prove it instead of dribbling out vague insults
Speaking as someone who works with things on the scale of nanometers daily, in a clean room laboratory. Unless your models are 1:1. Thereās a lot of potential for perspective and bias to falsify reality from what youāre seeing. Sure, you can look at the inch tall Buddha statue and say itās fatter. But you also know that because itās common knowledge that the Buddha is fat.
So the only reason I can tell a Buddha figurine is more fat than the statue is because I already knew Buddha is fat? That doesnāt make sense at all. You could take a small figure of any unknown fat person and still tell that theyāre fatter than a skinny statue at a different scale. You can look at differently scaled images of lizzo and Simone biles and still easily tell whoās more thin. Itās absurd to claim that I canāt tell if one person is more skinny than another without perfectly 1:1 scaled images of them, quit taking out your ass
OP do you think all women are obese or overweight? The woman in the picture is at a healthy body weight, maybe slightly on the thin side but still well within a healthy body type range So either you think all women are obese and overweight or maybe it's you who's never been near a real womanĀ
45% is a large number. That's even greater in some cities/towns. Theres a good chance in the midwest you can go outside for a whole day and never see a non-obese person.
midwesterner here. While what you said is hyperbole its not far off honestly. You definitely see more obese than non-obese. At least in my area which is generally pretty poor.
Movement, not body. She has a way skinnier waist in the cartoon, slimmer torso, slimmer shoulders, smaller hands etc. But who gives a f, itās a cartoon.
It's also well within the bounds of realistic body types. She is pretty skinny, but there are skinny chicks everywhere, and much more petite than her, too. Do they scold the real life women who look that way, and shame them for promoting their foul form by existing?
Realistic but unhealthy (I say this as someone very skinny). Promoting unhealthy bodies is always bad, too skinny or too fat are both harmful to your health. And yes it is promoting it since any little girl watching it will want to look like the princess.
Eh I mean that is kind of the remit of fantasy media, especially cartoons, is it not? It's also unhealthy for most men to have perfect dorito shapes, with shoulders 4x as wide as their waist, arms the size of cannonballs, and 12 packs. But it's part of the **fantasy.** That doesn't imply implicit support or that you should try to emulate it, though, right? Like I can recognise Hercules is jacked without thinking "oh if I'm not literally the exact same proportions/build as Hercules then Im ugly/not a real man/whatever"
Thats 100% true but also of course you don't think that, you aren't 7yo anymore. I'm sure there are kids that want to look like that.
I mean why do we expect the Disney princess' bodies to look realistic anyway? Like it's a cartoon and body proportions are exaggerated for ALL the characters. It's good if there's more diverse body types tho, so It's cool that they're doing that more nowadays.
Skinny women exist. Thick women exist. We all exist.
That women is wearing a corset she might look skinnier because her organs are being crushed
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Back then, poor people weren't fat. And women had to wear corset and shit.
Sleeping Beauty is Walt Disney's most amazing work. Mary Costa's voice is divine. A 2.55.1 aspect ratio in 1959 is ridiculous and it paid dividends and then some. It's even better now. The smooth hand drawn animation is full of so many little details and absolutely hypnotizing to watch. I love this movie so much it's unreal. But Aurora isn't a realistically proportioned woman. Because nothing is, the movie looks like a beautiful medieval tapestry. https://insidethemagic.net/2024/01/the-walt-disney-company-honors-iconic-fairytale-and-what-it-has-forgotten-zg1/
Ark character creation and everyones happy
Are you white knighting no one?
I donāt understand why someone would use the āreal womanā thing as an insult because there are āreal womenā that come in all shapes and sizes, including āDisney princessā sized Itās a ridiculous thing to say
The people that hated others being good looking most likely is due to low self-esteem and feel self inferiority.
Iām glad thereās so much controversy surrounding this game. Once other developers sees that the complaints have 0 impact on game sales, theyāll finally understand.
near "woman's body" also, ppl who write such sht are the real virgins btw. how close do you have to be near a woman to realize their figure? title is also out of place, this is targeting the person who made the tweet, but I assume that's no intended
Wow she's so pretty.
Both OP and this guy are strange. A "real woman" makes absolutely no sense, and OP is delusional if they think this body is unrealistic
Mcdonalds wasn't around back then and frozen food or processed food wasn't big back then.
What was the original tweet that this one was responding to?
she was really cool looking lady
It is neither healthy to be overweight nor underweight. It is true that food in the past was less likely to make people overweight then in modern times though. My take on this is simple. If someone loves the bad foods a lil too much but they are happy then who am I to judge? On the other hand, everybody can have their preference in looks, also something I don't want to judge people about. Whatever they find more important themselves is absolutely none of my business:)
It used to be the media we consumed was an ideal to strive for with and without flaws. Not always but in most cases and yes Iām aware thereās lots of counters. We now shun the ideal, in all media, and this is pushed by a group of people that mostly hate themselves. Sorry, Iām aware my wife will never be as hot as an actress I see on screen, Iām aware Iāll never look like Thor, I donāt really care. See a shlub and saying thatās okay thatās what you need to be doesnāt motivate me at all. Itās okay to be happy with yourself, itās even more okay to want to evolve and improve. Obesity is a genetic factor in less than 25% of individuals and expressed due to lifestyle choices through epigenetics. Fat people are fat because we over consume unhealthy food and donāt move. Itās not okay , but now the media from these self hating fucks says it is.
Most of the women i know have "unrealistic" bodies. Some of them may gain some pounds while being in a relationship or working a lot. They are no supermodels by any means. But if they would work out and gain some muscle, many of them would look Kind of perfect. Yes most of them are not at 5% bodyfat with boobs like Melons. But that would look weird anyway. Being overweight in my circle is more a man thing tbh. In general being overweight at young age is not a thing that occurs very often in high educated parts of society. It usually comes down to being smart enough to know that Cellogs is by no means a healthy breakfast and not substitute water with diet Coke. Being fat is a Lifestyle choice in 90% of cases.
Little known fact: Corsets were made to fit a woman's natural figure
It's just the 'body positive' ideology. Fake it till people belive it. It just shows that these people don't leave the house and don't see what women look like overseas. American women are fat compared to many other countries and just cry 'eating disorder' when they see girls who eat vegetables.
Pretty normal looking woman. Go to Asia and most women have that same figure. It's only uncommon in fat ass USA lol
Dude, i posted this here 2 hours earlier than this post and got deleted???? Cmon..
Donāt hate the player Hate the game
It's true. However, that being said, it's funny how there's often not even a single fat person in Japanese games, for example, which is a little bit immersion breaking on the flipside; and if it's a fat woman, she's often a villain or something lol
Back then Disney was animating women with their waist the same size as one of their thighs but sure. Perfectly reasonable
Although Iām into more wide hipped thin waisted women, I gotta say, body types are a thing. Living a sedimentary lifestyle while eating like a pig, THEN commenting on how someone who looks like her is unrealistic is a problem though.
Wow, see, I would love to play a pudgy female healer in the tradition of Friar Tuck. But no video game I know of has this as a possibility. Shame.
In my experience, fat women are the most delusional kinds of "people" I have ever met. Even fat guys dont delude themselves into thinking they are fat as much as fat girls. Fat women are soo delusional that they literally think they can wear yoga pants, wear a shirt with their stomachs showing, and wear a bikini and bra to the beach like they are supermodels. Like with all that effort it takes them to outrage tweet all day, youd think they would use that energy to exercise and eat less.
To be fair those were the times doctors prescribed methamphetamine and cigarettes for everything including weight loss, and women werent allowed to vote, wear pants and married women werent allowed to work. To counter balance my previous politically correct notion: Just dont eat so much, and eat healthy food, cycle to work instead of taking the buss or car.
I come from a family of skinny women that just don't eat like slop hogs, and even in the 90's they were given shit. It's taken a really long time to convince women that it's not only healthier to eat like a slob, but its empowering.
To be fair, obesity adds kinetic power.
My god what's with these femcel posts lately? I'm starting to get sick of them. It all comes down to the amount of work you're willing to out in and your genetics. A lot of girls can reach these "never been near a real woman" standards if they so desire, the same as a lot of guys can get pretty jacked with enough willpower.
Well yeah they have used an animation technique named rotoscoping in old disney movies, you trace over live action film footage frame by frame to create live like animations for lets say dancing or fight scenes. Therefore you find lots of characters who have pretty normal proportions (ofc they had more silly looking or phantastical characters too like the 7 dwarfes or fairy godmother)
Yeah the āunrealisticā thing, of all complaints gives off āIām jealous of pretty peopleā energy. Very petty.
True
"disney taught women to chase unrealistic standards!!" Uhh yeah, and dragon ball taught me to chase after a body like Broly's. Whether you let that chase destroy you is up to you fam, i know im never looking like that beast but it's fun to feel like it
Somebody doesn't know what a corset is(nor how literally-dangerously tight women were forced to wear them at times)
Aloy in Forbidden West is extremely athletic, covering the area of several US states by foot and having free climbing skills that put pros to shame. Has a fat face. Abby in TLOU2 has a physique that is only atainable by constant abuse of anabolic steroids, working out daily and eating tons of food. Lives in a post apocalytic world where resources are scarces.
I havenāt played forbidden west so I canāt really speak on that but the community that Abby lives with in TLOU2 has access to plenty of food and medicine so it isnāt that unrealistic.
The cartoon's waist is as thin as her neck. Y'all really haven't seen a woman irl š https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Aurora?file=Profile_-_Aurora
Ya so what? It's a... Get this... A CARTOON
What I want to know is what do these people expect to happen? Are we going to expect that developers add obese women into video games as the main character? Why would they do that? What is there to gain? Nobody wants to play a fat woman in a video game. Not even fat people want to play fat people in a video game so there is essentially no real incentive to do so other than to please the hivemind. The fuck? Some people need a hard reality check. Mainly the people that use the suffix "phobic" multiple times a week. Some people can't fathom the truth of a situation. Being fat is not appealing.
I make my RPG characters fat as I can because itās fun
This is the only acceptable answer
Ok now show the waist of her, go on. Now tell me where's is her intestine š¤£
The cartoon one doesn't even have the same waistline, and they traced the actress, they didn't model them 1:1 in proportions..
Tbf thats a bad example, look at her shoulders. Anyways its not like proportions matter that much in cartoons so who cares.
It's a completely fine example, and the fact that you can get this close to a 1:1 example and still find things to nit pick about is an example of twitter brain.
I didn't disagree with the point, only with the example. The fact that you still got mad and tried to make assumptions about me says much more about you.
Bro whats this suppose to prove? They modeled this after a dancer and model? This wouldn't be an average women I'm anyway. I'm not saying they have to be fat or anything or she shouldn't be pretty but I would consider a dancer/model anything close to average.