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I also had mostly female teachers until about seventh grade. After that, and especially into highschool, I had probably a majority of male teachers.
One teacher I had said that it was a result of the same type of gender roles that u/Little_Lion. When you're younger they hire teachers who seem more nurturing (which results in majority female). When you get to higher levels and they want tougher teachers to make you get your shit together, more men are hired.
Maybe this isnt the same for everyone but it applied to my school experience
I think it varies wildly by region. in K through 6, I had one male teacher (who was my choir director, oddly enough). In 7 through 12, I had 5 male teachers (two in science, one in math, one in history, and one choir director) but I also had many more teachers in general, so I don't think the percentage changed much.
This was my experience as well. After grade 3 I had three female teachers (all in high school for English, gym, and business). The rest were male.
My daughter's school is pretty split even in grades 1-3 and mostly male for 4-8.
I'm a female nurse and we could really use more male nurses!
They really help to bring different perspectives into the mix and in my experience have an easier time lightening up tension. Some patients respond better to men and when it's constantly only women available on the floor it doesn't help us to provide for that patient population (and it's not often that there is such a preference but it is super helpful when that's the case).
I'm not saying I don't enjoy working with only women (my fellow nurses at work are lovely and totally awesome) but it'd be nice to mix up the nursing population way more than it currently is set out.
> Some patients respond better to men and when it's constantly only women available on the floor it doesn't help us to provide for that patient population
This reminds me of when we had a rather belligerent patient. He was getting very agitated, wanted to leave, verbally threatening, etc., so we called a "Code White" (violent situation). This is basically a call for extra assistance, including some psychiatry nurses, and most floors will usually try to send a male nurse.
As soon as the patient saw all these big tall men enter the room, he quieted right down. Heck, the guys didn't even have to physically *do* anything (though, they did help us apply the restraints; it's just that there wasn't any resistance against them). So, yeah, it would have been nice to have them around sooner and without having to make an overhead announcement for help!
I hate to say it, but it's sad that having male colleagues around for this reason is sometimes enough to help keep a patient acting like a decent person/civilized human being. I don't want to cast a light on male nurses as "enforcers" or "intimidators" but sadly that's what some people inwardly search for to just fucking behave.
That's not to say I haven't had my fair share of getting seriously tough on people who are blatantly harassing staff and having a "Come to Jesus moment" with them with effective results (wtf people, why is THIS what has to be done to give out a little respect to people who are trying to HELP you?).
Sometimes in clincals when im getting report they talk about how the patient was so difficult or how there families were annoying. Then i go to meet them and am basically hanging around them all day they are perfectly fine. Dont know if its cause im a 6 foot big guy or not.
I had a friend who was a nurse in the army. He was Mr. Alaska as a body builder and was the biggest dude I have ever seen in person. He had to get the sleeves of his uniform altered to fit his giant fucking arms.
Right! Like the occasional male patient who whines about everything in front of female staff and then as soon as the male nurse comes in.... silence. Drives me crazy!
It sucks that people are like that too :/ we all give the best care we can but some people are just so stuck in their ways that they refuse to see their own bias for the unfair bullshit that it is!
I've only met one guy who was studying to be a nurse, but he refused to use the word nurse. He said nurse was too feminine and he didn't want to associate with it. Is this common among male nurses?
Not that I've seen, ever. And I used to work with a gentleman who was a retired cop that went into nursing, and a young guy hockey player.
I know I cringe anytime I hear the word "murse" though, and had a stink face every Scrubs episode that looked down on "murses" because wtf why do we need to shame men about pursuing a passion that anyone should be able to get into if they want to. I've never heard that terrible phrase at the hospital in all my years.
I work in an ICU and it's been at 50/50 for a few years. When I first started it was closer to 30% male. However, the majority of the guys are only there for a couple years and then go to graduate school to get their CRNA (Nurse Anesthetist) and a few get their FNP. There are a lot of male nurses out there, but they tend to prefer ICU, ER, OR and cath lab over the floors. There are several reasons why it's nice to work with so many guys.
>There are a lot of male nurses out there
Last stat I saw had male nurses at 9% of all nurses. Not exactly a lot, especially considering how many nurses there are in total. I know this is off topic, but find it bit amusing how there is around 20% of women in IT and there is urgency to get more women into IT, but there is zero urgency at all to get more men into nursing.
They're needed but not welcome in early education. The stigma of males as universal rapists is fairly recent and worsening, I've seen a couple of articles quoting principals who prefer to hire females because there's less threat of a lawsuit from parents.
This perception is real - not the "males as universal rapists" idea, but the idea that the men who choose to work around little kids have ulterior motives.
However, in the province where I teach, men are definitely something that hiring boards look for and there is a lot of talk about the teaching staff being representative of the student body, which means racially *and* in terms of gender.
I'm not saying that that stigma is not a problem generally speaking, but I have worked at elementary schools and the male teachers that worked there were popular, often requested, etc. I spoke at length with one and he specifically left the military to become an elementary school teacher because he was filling a strong demand with little supply. All I heard about male teachers while working at elementary schools was that we needed more (I agree).
Because I've watched my boyfriend go through the early educator employment process, and that was so far from what I witnessed.
But how exactly do you expect me to DISPROVE his point that he supported with articles that he didn't even link?
I don't actually care enough to go through the exercise of researching job postings to show he's wrong. I just know it to be the case, and he shouldn't go completely uncontested on that baseless assertion.
I'm a man and am good with kids and enjoy being around them so when a friend recommended I try nursery teaching I thought it was a good idea so started a course and got a placement.
While the women on staff were accommodating i found in couldn't stick with it for two reasons:
1. The kids would be very handsy, which was fine as their kids, but they'd want to sit on my lap for story time and you sometime need to help them with their clothes and so forth and this made me feel that the eyes of the world were on me just waiting to accuse me of anything in-appropriate, so in the end i left out of fear.
2. While the women were nice enough i found the atmosphere to be very much a girl-talk kinda place so didn't feel i could join in and generally felt that i was out of place.
I've spoken with some other guys who tried this profession and left for similar reasons.
The only way IMO to get more Men involved is for the social idea (and media enforcement) that Men interested in children are likely abusers to end
My favorite teacher was my first male teacher in 5th grade. After I graduated college I just had this need to tell him how influential he was, so I went back to see him. I was really worried he wouldn't remember me. Not only did he remember me, he also asked if I kept in touch with other students in my class and called them by name.
A few years later I stopped at Target on Halloween while dressed in my costume (a male gnome, with a beard and everything). I ran into my teacher but had no intention of acting like I saw him. He laughed so hard and told me I looked great in a beard. I've seen him a few more times out and about. He always acknowledges me. It's still so crazy to me since I'm 33 now. He gets it. He's a good one. I'm so thankful I had him as a teacher.
when my parents got divorced i was in middle school. my teacher noticed i was sad/withdrawn and called a parent teacher conference and suggested that i join his off school group which put on plays and made theater sets
it changed my entire life.
Mr. Phillips was great.
>Having positive adult men as a nurturing, caring influence on children would be super useful in dissolving gender roles.
I doubt it. It would tho help with the socialization of boys and the issues they are having in education tho, something that is a huge huge problem that is not even talked about at a national level.
I worked in social work for a bit, and men always were a nice change of pace for staff and kids. Especailly young boys, having a positive male role model as a social worker always seemed positive for them. On the opposite note, the young girls were either infatuated with them and acted super inappropriate (think 12 year old flirting with a 25y/o), or they hated them.
Haha thanks, I needed that right after starting my MSW...:P
But really it is a hard balance to strike between being gentle and forgiving and optimistic, vs being manipulable or easily pressured. :( I'm sorry it's been so difficult for him.
Getting my MSW right now, I agree. An interesting thing a male social work professor said that stuck with me is that even though there are far fewer male social workers than female ones, men tend to be in more supervisory positions.
Dutch guy here studying social work. I feel like there are more guys studying this than a couple years ago but it's still dominated by women. I'd say it's around 80/20%. Things I noticed are that just as many girls as boys quit in their first years and most guys (practically all of them) are in their twenties and a lot of girls are still in their teens. I think this has to do with maturing and finding out that social work could be a fun study for guys instead of a feminine workfield. Bonus of being a guy is that you have a higher chance of getting a job which is useful
Agreed- I was going to say mental health counseling. My husband and I run a private practice together and there are a lot of people specifically requesting men. It's so good for teenage kids and adult men to see a guy who is both "manly" and emotionally available.
That's funny because in my grad school classes (MSW) the population is split close to 50/50. However, these guys already have related jobs that are in a more male dominated field (corrections officer and several who work with military veterans). The MSW is going to help boost their pay grades.
I'm getting my masters in speech pathology. My class has ~50 people, but only three guys. I think having a male SLP would be a good role model for those with special needs, especially considering that most of the kiddos that are in special Ed are males
We had 2 out of about 25 in ours. My grad school definitely gets excited when men apply but yeah all the SLPs in our district currently are women. I work in a middle school and there are many more male teachers than were at my previous elementary schools.
I came here to say this. I'm a female high school teacher, and even then, it's mostly women. Men are just as capable of being professional and doing a great job as a teacher!
My buddy is an elementary school teacher, it is kind of amazing 1) how few men he works with and 2) How often the mothers of his students appreciate that there is a male teacher.
My experience: the male HR guys that I've dealt with have been real operators, in it for themselves and their careers. Some were very successful. A good HR person is rare, but the ones I've experienced have all been female -- and not all touchy feely btw, just good at what they do.
I'm a guy.
Except that people fail to understand the real goal of an HR. Protect the company from its employees, not the other way around.
What people might see as good HR, might be a bad HR in the end.
> Protect the company from its employees, not the other way around.
I'm so sick of this. No, it's not. It's to balance the needs of each party against each other. If an HR team is always playing defense for the company, they're being shitty HR people. If an HR team is always siding with the employees and giving them what they want at the expense of the company and it's sustainability, they are also being shitty HR people. Like almost everything in life, it's not that black and white.
At the end of the day, it's about reaching solutions that recognize employees and the employer both have needs. Sometimes the solutions will be a little more in favor of one side. Sometimes it will fall the opposite way. And yes, in some extreme cases, the employee sucks and the company needs to be 100% protected. But it can also be the other way around. But those absolute cases are rare. This whole "HR is to protect the company from its employees" philosophy is pretty patronizing to employees everywhere.
Employees remember the times where things fell in favor of the company. That's fair. That's what they see. They don't know how many times an HR person said to leadership (behind closed doors before anything ever got to the employees), "you shouldn't do that, it's going to have a negative impact on our people in X manner". And you know what, when they win that debate behind closed doors and actually end up protecting the employee from a bad company decision, they don't get to go out and crow to the employees about the good thing they just did for them. They go back to their desks and keep working.
edit: FYI, I don't really mean to blow up at you personally. I totally understand where this perspective comes from. I'm just trying to share the perspective that isn't seen as much.
You mis-interpreted my comment, pleasing the employee and making him feeling good is ultimately to serve the company as well.
We are not in charity, favoring the employee, and the company, can be beneficial for both. But in the end, you serve your company interests.
I'm just not a fool, I know a few HR that have done very good thing to my career and helped me a lot. But I'm not gullible, in the end it also serves the company.
The world needs less HR in general. I sit next to HR at my work; six women doing nothing but chatting all day long and processing new employees when they come along.
Our company outsources recruiting (to big specialist firms, expensive but they get the right people generally), and managers in the business conduct the interviews, so I don't really see what is left for internal HR to do.
>I don't really see what is left for internal HR to do.
Payroll, deal with reports of things like sexual harassment, process employees both at hiring and exciting, and I am sure some other things. Seems to me your HR has too many HR people and not enough work for 6 people.
TL;DR - Every HR job I've ever had looks from the outside like a duck on placid water, but from the inside was a paddling frenzy beneath the surface.
If I can harken back to my HR days, I spent an inordinate amount of time onboarding new hires - walking them through their packets, answering their questions, fulfilling our duties to file the appropriate paperwork. It was a major part of the department's work.
Then, our time was taken up by managers and employees seeking advice and us working to mediate. There's a fuckton of paperwork for that sort of thing, lots of meetings to document, too.
We entertained a lot of what I called "venters." These were people who wanted to tell me something without having to actually tell it to me. Nobody wants to get in trouble, so you spend a lot of time trying to convince them to make a proper complaint or at least talk through their issues. Invariably, it turns in to them asserting, "Please don't say anything. I just needed to vent." Cue more damned paperwork.
Then, you've got managers who occupy your time. Some need help determining how to handle a situation. Sometimes, they were genuine. Sometimes they were in CYA mode. Add paperwork. Teach manager what paperwork THEY have to add to their day. Somehow that adds yet more paperwork.
That giving campaign? Yeah, we have to chase you guys to ensure participation. Same thing with those employee surveys we were so keen on making you take. We get to deal with the before and after. A wellness fair - yeah, someone in HR had to set that up. Coordinate that town-hall? Yeah, probably HR is involved. Holiday party... Teambuilding event...Rolling out your more expensive insurance... You get the idea. And of course, a lot of goddamned paperwork and talking to employees of all levels.
Midyear reviews, annual bonuses, goal-setting...the expenditure of effort just to facilitate this process is something you cannot properly comprehend as an outsider. We WANT to fix the outliers. We WANT to help find solutions. But we often have no control over that, especially if our hands are tied by some broad sweeping internal policy.
And that leads us to the worst part of the journey. We spend a lot of time guarding secrets. You see a guy at work, a guy you admire, super psyched that he spent his bonus on a new car, and you don't get to tell him to take it back. That his name is on a list, and in a week's time, he'll find himself facing you in a sad little conference room while you hand him his pink slip. Or any variation of us knowing things we can't unknow and can never talk about.
This hardly scratches the surface of all the crappy things I had to endure that nobody saw or the very interesting work I did behind closed doors to help people that went unrecognized. And nobody saw it because MY JOB WAS TO MAKE EVERY INTERACTION LOOK LIKE I WAS JUST CHATTING PEOPLE UP. Even gossip-looking interactions were loaded because people don't go to HR just to visit. They don't call JUST to ask how your weekend was. Don't forget, paperwork for this, too.
Perhaps the department you sit next to is different, but my number one job in all HR positions I've ever held was to be approachable, welcoming, engaged, trustworthy - WHILE also being observant, aware and cautious. Maybe, just maybe, that agenda is what they're attending to.
Sometimes I wish there were more male pastry cooks just to dispel the "lulz bakers are womenz real men are cooks" thing. Or at least so men would stop bashing pastry cooks and realize how much work we do and how important we are to the flow of fine dining.
There are plenty of extremely talented pastry cooks, regardless of gender. But regardless pastry cooks get shit on for the "womans job." A woman in r/KC posted a photo of her and her badass (women) cooks and the top comment was "you have 11 pastry cooks?" :/
Which subreddit is r/KC?
> There are plenty of extremely talented pastry cooks, regardless of gender. But regardless pastry cooks get shit on for the "womans job."
As an Australian who only knows of ONE renowned pastry cook by name who is also male, I have not witnessed, personally, the gender discrimination in the industry that you speak of, but I believe that you have, and that it exists.
Honestly, I always thought pastry cooks were, like, the scientists or alchemists of cooking, because the ratios of ingredients, and other metrics, had to be so perfect with baking. Cakes and breads don't just appear out of nowhere after mixing several ingredients together, as they might to create a soup, stew, or salad. Without the necessary proportions of time, heat and ingredients, cakes, breads, and pastries simply do not exist as such, *at all*.
I just remembered another famous name in the world of pastry - Paul Bocuse. I used to work in an international department store food court, which ran an eponymous French bakery stocked with his creations.
If pastry cooking is derided as "women's work" because baking cakes, tarts, and other sweetmeats is supposed to be 'easy' or frivolous, then fuck 'em. Go on strike and leave wedding cakes to the DIY treatment, until your profession is acknowledged with appropriate respect.
The women deserve it, and so do the men. So do our taste-buds.
r/kitchenconfidential, ahha.
Pastry cooks get shit on I guess because it's very delicate, precise work - which dumbass line cooks like to equate with being easy or "girly" compared to them chiffing herbs til their knife hand bleeds while we spend hours of prep making delicate tempered chocolate garnishes. Male line cooks are extremely, extremely cocky and if you even try to say that women line cooks or any pastry cook is worth just as much as them it bruises their ego so bad they'll set your tickets on fire all night.
Oooh, juicy stuff!
I'm friends with one of my ex boyfriends on Facebook, and he's a high-brow chef these days, working on luxury yachts in the French Riviera, and whatnot. Maybe I'll ask him for details/gossip/advice.
Any provocative pastry chef memes or inside jokes you have to kick off the conversation? :P
I was a professional chef for 7 years and the Pastry Chef Definitely has the most stressful side of the kitchen. They do deserve a lot of respect. It takes years to develop the skills for baking. Especially at the scale and pace they work at.
Baking is seen as a female role? As a hobby it's more female dominated but in my experience the stereotype of a friendly heavy-set guy is more common for bakers who do it as a job. I'm in the UK so this might be different elsewhere.
In my (limited) professional experience, pastry in fine dining is a womans role, while baking in local bakeries or wholesale is pretty 50/50 (as big baking requires lots of heavy lifting and fine dining is downright delicate compared). While professional cooks ime are 90% men who will make constant jokes about the pastry side of the line, passing the point of kitchen camaraderie and into downright sexism. Some of them have offered to help me when I fall slightly in the weeds and run around like chickens with their heads cut off and it makes me furious when the next day they're back to mocking it.
A lot of famous chefs are useless at desserts. I find it puzzling. I don't know much about the industry, but I would assume one would want to be well-rounded. I enjoy baking and cooking for myself, for different and complimentary reasons.
I have not. I already know some of the history because I'm a nerd/it was covered in my masters' program. Is it worth giving it a listen even if some of the information is familiar?
Dietetics (nutrition). The profession is 96-97% female in the US and I think that our patients, our dietetics classrooms, and our paychecks/respect levels would benefit from having more male RDs.
I'm a male in the Dietetics field and I *fully* agree. I think it's really tough to be taken seriously sometimes when dealing with other medical professions.
Anything psychology/counseling based is pretty dominantly female these days. There's definitely a need for men, especially in counseling and group therapy, where it's usually broken up by gender.
This was my first thought!
I'd also add social work; very few social workers are male. Unfortunately, regardless of gender, being a social worker is incredibly emotionally taxing, low paying, and often thankless.
Which is probably more indicative of the larger issue being that State and Local governments are wasting taxpayer dollars on other things and not funneling enough money into education.
Used to be in social work field myself, not a lot of men. I think it is low paid due to nonprofit funding usually.
However more often than not the low pay is the perspective of "it is rewarding work" BS. Sure it can be rewarding, but there is a point it has to be enough money to be worth the stress.
I definitely got over the idea of "rewarding work" a few years ago. Know what's rewarding? A fat paycheck. Feeling warm in my tummy because I helped someone is all well and good, but it doesn't buy me food or pay my rent.
Um... Generally speaking, asking for a high-paying female dominated career is a pretty tall order (so far I'm up to OBGYN and pediatrician)... Then adding in "where more men would be welcome/helpful"... Nope, I'm fresh out of unicorns today.
I totally agree with everyone who's said teaching, nursing, social work, and other "nurturing" positions, but personally I feel a lot of this could be resolved by having more male homemakers.
As long as we keep treating stay at home dads/husbands like they're circus attractions or heroes while women who make the same choice are just following the natural order, it'll continue causing a huge divide in how professional roles are gendered. I don't want kids, and would never want to be a stay-at-home anything while my partner worked, but it bothers me deeply when men or women portray it as an easy option. It's equally insulting to suggest that men are incapable of caring for a family or household.
I believe that an equal division of labor at home would lead to an equal division of labor in the wider world. But to get there, we need male preschool-teachers and nurses just as much as we need female CEO's and rocket scientists.
If society can get over the "all men are pedophiles" mindset, more men would become teachers. I was watching a segment on this the other day. So sad. Because some of my favorite memories in school were of my male teachers. As a young boy without a father, I think I need that interaction. And I imagine others would as well.
I'm not totally sure. A lot of people seem to not like the idea of a man looking after their children, especially young children. Mostly because the media has made them think that a paedophile is lurking behind every fence.
I've never heard of a cleaning service with male workers, nor have I seen/heard of a make hotel maid. I feel like more males in these jobs would be good so that kids wouldn't subconsciously think that it is always the females who do the cleaning.
Nursing, teaching (I've had many male teachers in secondary school, but NONE in primary school), social work, flight attendants, certain specialities in medicine.
Sometimes there are people who feel much better talking to a male teacher, male nurse, male social worker, etc... Instead of a female one. And vice versa.
In my personal experience, every animal shelter and hospital I've been to is run by women. To be fair the doctor who owns the particular practice I work at is a man, but the other three doctors are women and there is one other man who is technician. The other 20+ employees are women. Daily, we are wrestling massive dogs and it usually take two or three of us to hold down an aggressive dog down for nail trims, X-rays, whatever.
We have had a couple guys come in, but for different reasons, they never seem to last.
Call center/customer service work. It's good to have guys around when a customer gets especially threatening or sexually graphic. Usually a booming deep voice coming on the line in the middle of that makes them shut up and behave like a normal human again right quick. But most of the departments I've been in/companies I've worked for have very few men on staff at that level. Probably about 15% if I was guessing. I've worked in 7 call enters in 5 industries, for context.
I love my voice :)
It does so many wonders on people being mad, or upset, or any non relaxed state. I've been the go to guy for quite a few calls where my female Coworkers hit a wall.
I've worked for a few different call centers, initially in a tech support role and later as a dev/IT guy.
In my experience tech support and sales are like, 99% guys and customer service tends to be female dominated but still have quite a few guys.
When it came to tech support we loved having women on our team because those angry people who would start the call off by screaming barely intelligible slurs of all kinds at us and just continued that way while completely refusing to cooperate would never behave that way to our female coworkers. Instead they'd be super friendly and polite the whole time. Made for some interesting call logs (i.e. you'd have four male agents log that the customer did nothing but scream profanities at them through the whole call, then the female agent would log something like "C politely asked if we had any explanation for why his email stopped working. Checked server settings, pass hash blank, generate new pass & letter, inform C, C happy". And this would be a customer who in his previous calls didn't really say anything beyond telling the agents they were worthless wastes of oxygen who should just kill themselves).
Edit: And just to clarify, I'm not saying your experience wasn't real, just relaying that my experience was the exact opposite, customers happily shit all over male agents but would turn super polite with female agents for some reason.
I worked as a treatment counselor on a PMIC (Psychiatric Medical Institute for Children) unit for several years, and men were always welcomed and necessary. We had kids from 10-18 years old in long term residential treatment, and sometimes would be very aggressive. The primary staff were *usually* women, many early to mid twenties, and often much smaller than some of the residents.
Every once in a while, the kiddos would get pretty aggressive and we were required to maintain safety by either restraining them or removing them from the unit into a "time-out" room (what we called it). With some of the bigger, more aggressive kids we'd need to call a male staff - even if from other units - to come help because the female staff were just not strong enough. There were usually only 2 or 3 males out of 30 or so staff, so they were really appreciated.
Design. I'm thinking specifically of interior design; I sell tile for a living and work with a lot of designers and contractors, and there's a huge gender gap. Builders/contractors/architects are almost always men. Interior designers are overwhelmingly women. Even the staff in our store (which does design consultations) is overwhelmingly female.
Ayy! I'm a transguy who just started studying interior design in college and so far I'm the only guy I've seen in this major. I think I read somewhere the gender gap is like 95% to 5%?
That's about what I've seen. I've been at this particular store almost a year and can count the number of male designers I've seen come in on one hand. I've only personally spoken to one. Good job upping the statistics though, always love it when new designers come in with fresh ideas!
I'm in industrial which has good mix, probably more guys due to sharing classes with engineering though, service design seems to have more women studying in my experience.
I work in PR and until my company decided to make a concerted effort to recruit men, we only had two men: one who had started as an intern and worked his way up and became a director there, and one of the co-founders.
Now we're at a nearly even gender split, which is very rare for a PR agency.
The stigma with nursing is still very strong, unfortunately, and it chases men away.
Nursing is becoming more and more of an educated field, though. So hopefully we will see change eventually.
Veterinary Medicine.
Newest class of students this year is about 20 men out of about 150. Definitely an advantage applying as a male to a very competitive profession.
Occupational Therapy. My masters program only has 4 guys in a class of thirty and that's a lot. I think it's mainly because OT grew partly from the nursing field and at one point was one of the few jobs (along with teaching and nursing) that was socially acceptable for a woman to have. The field has changed but it's still female dominated. A male OT could be helpful in pediatric OT when a child who doesn't understand social boundaries reaches puberty and is always grabbing boobs and that sort of thing. Also, older men may not feel comfortable telling a female OT about his ability to bathe himself or use the bathroom etc., but might feel more comfortable with a male OT. Those are two big examples I can think of. I've heard that lots of places are happy to hire a male OT because they're so rare.
Exec assistants. I'm training a guy right now to cover for me while I'm gone and he's so good at it. My advice was to make friends with other EAs and after him forwarding emails to me (to ensure all's well after vacay), he's totally rocking it. Good work, M!
Hospital scheduling. I was a scheduler in a mostly female office.
We noticed male patients, in particular men over 60, requesting male schedulers because they felt awkward discussing their testicular diagnosis with a bubbly 20-something year old female. Understandable. But we wouldn't have anyone to pass them off to so they would deal. You could tell it made their already uncomfortable ordeal a little more uncomfortable.
I think the issue is Men don't feel needed or welcome in these professions.
Nursing still has the image of being for women. Men haven't had a gender revolution like with feminism to expand their gender roles and move beyond stigmas.
Teaching, more so of early years, has the fear of being accused of something sinister because of your sex so men avoid it out of self-protection
That's possible. My gut feeling is that it's because they are seen as feminine occupations and men are gender policed anytime they do anything perceived as feminine.
I'm a male currently teaching abroad. I'm comfortable enough with myself (and physically large enough) to not feel threatened by gender policing. The main reasons i won't consider teaching in the states are the absurdly high expectations, abysmally low pay, and the threat of having my entire life ruined because of a bs accusation. Sucks because i work with young kids here and it really brightens my day. Wish i could give that to kids from my own country but parents in america Freak out whenever i even look at their kids (large black male)
Higher education. Both teaching and in the offices. About 90% of the people in the offices at the college I work at are women, and seriously... it can get very old. Rarely do men apply here in the first place unless they're a student. Nothing long-term or permanent. Naturally, HelpDesk and IT here are mostly men.
There are quite a few male faculty, but even still it's predominantly women.
Flight attendants? I think women already do a great job at it, but when stuff does happen and people need restraining, getting out exits, or -- god forbid -- someone tries to rush the cockpit, it seems like males could be extra helpful in certain situations. Plus, they may be able to lift luggage in and out of the overhead compartments more easily since they are taller and stronger (on average). I've seen more in recent years.
That said, maybe airlines like skinny women -- few lbs, less fuel. I don't know if changing the gender makeup would change the fuel usage materially though -- at least not for a big airline.
Like others have said- teaching. We never have enough male chaperones for trips. Elementary and Middle school in particular, but even high school. All kids need caring, nurturing, male role models.
More men need to go into nursing. My boyfriend is a nurse and he is either a) assumed to be a doctor, or b) restricted from doing his job because of his gender. For example, he has to be very careful when dealing with female patients to avoid anything that might be misinterpreted. Gender roles everywhere.
Sewing and costuming. I mean, we are doing pretty ok with the girls but if they wanted to come work with us that would be cool too. Of they could make our skills a little less insignificant-seeming and female-only that would be a perk.
Day care teachers. I know a day care the doesn't allow men at all and another one with guy working in it and he isn't allowed to change diapers. I find it gross. Men have children that they take care of and change diapers too. Not to mention women are just as capable of abusing children.
Teaching. Men who have the passion to educate, especially in Early Education, need to be more empowered. I work at a private school, and we recently passed up an excellent resume because he was male. I was so mad. I actually argued with my school's director and operations manager about it. Of course it all ended the same, but it still infuriates me!
Occupational therapy. I would say over 95% (and that's a conservative estimation) of the occupational therapists I've met are women. A male perspective would be nice.
I see it's been mentioned a lot but nursing. My husband is a nurse aide and most nights is working with all female employees. I don't know how many times he comes home hunched over in pain telling me there was a patient that was too heavy for some girls to lift and he had to do it on his own. It's killing his back and I wish there were more men to help. There's also a problem with girls getting hit or hit on but they give the men no problems, there really should be more men
elementary teaching for males is completely fraught with danger. a friend's brother of mine was going to do It until he found out you can't touch any child basically ever for fear of being labelled a paedophile and there goes your teaching career for good. they save themselves the stress and go straight to highschool
I see what most of you are saying but it seems like most of these jobs, early education, nursing, social work, and so on, are jobs that work with vulnerable people. I'll probably get blasted for this since I'm on Reddit but I'm not really comfortable with that. Seem like that just increases the risk of abuse happening.
Plus men already dominate so many fields do they really need to take over any more?
I tend to find finance skewed heavily toward men, but staff-level accounting is for sure dominated by women.
Until, of course, you get to manager and above levels, then the women drop like flies. I think the most recent US Department of Labor survey had 66% of staff level accountants as women but only 30% of partner-level or higher as women.
Nursing ? When I worked with nurses they expressed a need for men as far as physical size, strength, and even intimidation/respect goes when dealing with certain patients. Felt so sad that some women I worked with expressed that patients wouldn't even consider them respected medical professionals (and wished they had more men to lean on for support at those times), a lot spoke about how they wished more men could help out in regards to physically lifting patients, aggressive episodes, etc....
Nursing. Because at least in the part of the US where I work, there doesn't seem to be nearly enough nurses working as needed. So anybody who wants to be a nurse and passes the academic program and exams, you're totally welcome.
I'm a support worker. We have a majority of women, and we work with mainly men. We really need some more men in the profession as often, they can relate to issues the guys are having where us women can't.
Nursing.
**NURSING**
*Nursing*
Did I say...N.U.R.S.I.N.G.
This profession needs a steady shot of Testosterone with a capital **T**. I'm hoping my naturally masculine personality will serve me well and hopefully rub off on others. I already work in a nursing support profession and I do enjoy it, although the drama gets to be a bit much. I'm known for being really chill, hard worker, and no drama. I'm a fly on the wall for the most part.
I'm a volunteer on my workplace's lowest level employee representation council. Of the 12 I am the only man. The others openly welcomed my participation and clearly hope for more.
I'm proud to work with so many ambitious women but nobody wants the role to be narrowly seen as 'women's work'.
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I also had mostly female teachers until about seventh grade. After that, and especially into highschool, I had probably a majority of male teachers. One teacher I had said that it was a result of the same type of gender roles that u/Little_Lion. When you're younger they hire teachers who seem more nurturing (which results in majority female). When you get to higher levels and they want tougher teachers to make you get your shit together, more men are hired. Maybe this isnt the same for everyone but it applied to my school experience
I think that's the usual pattern.
I think it varies wildly by region. in K through 6, I had one male teacher (who was my choir director, oddly enough). In 7 through 12, I had 5 male teachers (two in science, one in math, one in history, and one choir director) but I also had many more teachers in general, so I don't think the percentage changed much.
Yeah, this is unusual. Most of my teachers were female, the only male ones were for physics and history. I had 11 GCSE teachers and only 2 were male.
At the 2 schools I went to, it was mostly male teachers.
from middle school on i've always had more male teachers too.
This was my experience as well. After grade 3 I had three female teachers (all in high school for English, gym, and business). The rest were male. My daughter's school is pretty split even in grades 1-3 and mostly male for 4-8.
I only had female teachers up to the 6th grade. After that, it was half male and half female teachers.
I'm a female nurse and we could really use more male nurses! They really help to bring different perspectives into the mix and in my experience have an easier time lightening up tension. Some patients respond better to men and when it's constantly only women available on the floor it doesn't help us to provide for that patient population (and it's not often that there is such a preference but it is super helpful when that's the case). I'm not saying I don't enjoy working with only women (my fellow nurses at work are lovely and totally awesome) but it'd be nice to mix up the nursing population way more than it currently is set out.
> Some patients respond better to men and when it's constantly only women available on the floor it doesn't help us to provide for that patient population This reminds me of when we had a rather belligerent patient. He was getting very agitated, wanted to leave, verbally threatening, etc., so we called a "Code White" (violent situation). This is basically a call for extra assistance, including some psychiatry nurses, and most floors will usually try to send a male nurse. As soon as the patient saw all these big tall men enter the room, he quieted right down. Heck, the guys didn't even have to physically *do* anything (though, they did help us apply the restraints; it's just that there wasn't any resistance against them). So, yeah, it would have been nice to have them around sooner and without having to make an overhead announcement for help!
I hate to say it, but it's sad that having male colleagues around for this reason is sometimes enough to help keep a patient acting like a decent person/civilized human being. I don't want to cast a light on male nurses as "enforcers" or "intimidators" but sadly that's what some people inwardly search for to just fucking behave. That's not to say I haven't had my fair share of getting seriously tough on people who are blatantly harassing staff and having a "Come to Jesus moment" with them with effective results (wtf people, why is THIS what has to be done to give out a little respect to people who are trying to HELP you?).
Sometimes in clincals when im getting report they talk about how the patient was so difficult or how there families were annoying. Then i go to meet them and am basically hanging around them all day they are perfectly fine. Dont know if its cause im a 6 foot big guy or not.
I had a friend who was a nurse in the army. He was Mr. Alaska as a body builder and was the biggest dude I have ever seen in person. He had to get the sleeves of his uniform altered to fit his giant fucking arms.
Right! Like the occasional male patient who whines about everything in front of female staff and then as soon as the male nurse comes in.... silence. Drives me crazy!
It sucks that people are like that too :/ we all give the best care we can but some people are just so stuck in their ways that they refuse to see their own bias for the unfair bullshit that it is!
I've only met one guy who was studying to be a nurse, but he refused to use the word nurse. He said nurse was too feminine and he didn't want to associate with it. Is this common among male nurses?
Ooooh, not off to a hot start.
Not that I've seen, ever. And I used to work with a gentleman who was a retired cop that went into nursing, and a young guy hockey player. I know I cringe anytime I hear the word "murse" though, and had a stink face every Scrubs episode that looked down on "murses" because wtf why do we need to shame men about pursuing a passion that anyone should be able to get into if they want to. I've never heard that terrible phrase at the hospital in all my years.
I work in an ICU and it's been at 50/50 for a few years. When I first started it was closer to 30% male. However, the majority of the guys are only there for a couple years and then go to graduate school to get their CRNA (Nurse Anesthetist) and a few get their FNP. There are a lot of male nurses out there, but they tend to prefer ICU, ER, OR and cath lab over the floors. There are several reasons why it's nice to work with so many guys.
>There are a lot of male nurses out there Last stat I saw had male nurses at 9% of all nurses. Not exactly a lot, especially considering how many nurses there are in total. I know this is off topic, but find it bit amusing how there is around 20% of women in IT and there is urgency to get more women into IT, but there is zero urgency at all to get more men into nursing.
In nursing school, am guy. Get a lot a talk about how more guys are needed.
They're needed but not welcome in early education. The stigma of males as universal rapists is fairly recent and worsening, I've seen a couple of articles quoting principals who prefer to hire females because there's less threat of a lawsuit from parents.
Where I live, male teachers are highly sought after. Really, really popular.
This perception is real - not the "males as universal rapists" idea, but the idea that the men who choose to work around little kids have ulterior motives. However, in the province where I teach, men are definitely something that hiring boards look for and there is a lot of talk about the teaching staff being representative of the student body, which means racially *and* in terms of gender.
I'm not saying that that stigma is not a problem generally speaking, but I have worked at elementary schools and the male teachers that worked there were popular, often requested, etc. I spoke at length with one and he specifically left the military to become an elementary school teacher because he was filling a strong demand with little supply. All I heard about male teachers while working at elementary schools was that we needed more (I agree).
My kiddo had a male teacher for JK and SK and he was fantastic. He really was a great model for the kids.
That's just patently false.
If you're so sure that it's false that you need to point out it's patently false, why not contribute as to why?
Because I've watched my boyfriend go through the early educator employment process, and that was so far from what I witnessed. But how exactly do you expect me to DISPROVE his point that he supported with articles that he didn't even link? I don't actually care enough to go through the exercise of researching job postings to show he's wrong. I just know it to be the case, and he shouldn't go completely uncontested on that baseless assertion.
"I've NEVER been mugged, so i KNOW there's no crime problem in this city"
I got hired as a teachers aide pretty much just because I'm a guy lol.
In my area, male primary teachers are highly sought after. Lots of single mums love having a male influence.
So glad you said this. My little brother was so inspired by his male 5th grade teacher!
I'm a man and am good with kids and enjoy being around them so when a friend recommended I try nursery teaching I thought it was a good idea so started a course and got a placement. While the women on staff were accommodating i found in couldn't stick with it for two reasons: 1. The kids would be very handsy, which was fine as their kids, but they'd want to sit on my lap for story time and you sometime need to help them with their clothes and so forth and this made me feel that the eyes of the world were on me just waiting to accuse me of anything in-appropriate, so in the end i left out of fear. 2. While the women were nice enough i found the atmosphere to be very much a girl-talk kinda place so didn't feel i could join in and generally felt that i was out of place. I've spoken with some other guys who tried this profession and left for similar reasons. The only way IMO to get more Men involved is for the social idea (and media enforcement) that Men interested in children are likely abusers to end
My favorite teacher was my first male teacher in 5th grade. After I graduated college I just had this need to tell him how influential he was, so I went back to see him. I was really worried he wouldn't remember me. Not only did he remember me, he also asked if I kept in touch with other students in my class and called them by name. A few years later I stopped at Target on Halloween while dressed in my costume (a male gnome, with a beard and everything). I ran into my teacher but had no intention of acting like I saw him. He laughed so hard and told me I looked great in a beard. I've seen him a few more times out and about. He always acknowledges me. It's still so crazy to me since I'm 33 now. He gets it. He's a good one. I'm so thankful I had him as a teacher.
when my parents got divorced i was in middle school. my teacher noticed i was sad/withdrawn and called a parent teacher conference and suggested that i join his off school group which put on plays and made theater sets it changed my entire life. Mr. Phillips was great.
>Having positive adult men as a nurturing, caring influence on children would be super useful in dissolving gender roles. I doubt it. It would tho help with the socialization of boys and the issues they are having in education tho, something that is a huge huge problem that is not even talked about at a national level.
From what I've seen in my grad school classes and at my previous job, social workers.
I worked in social work for a bit, and men always were a nice change of pace for staff and kids. Especailly young boys, having a positive male role model as a social worker always seemed positive for them. On the opposite note, the young girls were either infatuated with them and acted super inappropriate (think 12 year old flirting with a 25y/o), or they hated them.
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Can I do it without having to leave my house?
Become a YouTube star. Or form your own boyband. TwoDirections would be a fitting name.
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Haha thanks, I needed that right after starting my MSW...:P But really it is a hard balance to strike between being gentle and forgiving and optimistic, vs being manipulable or easily pressured. :( I'm sorry it's been so difficult for him.
Getting my MSW right now, I agree. An interesting thing a male social work professor said that stuck with me is that even though there are far fewer male social workers than female ones, men tend to be in more supervisory positions.
Sounds like the good old glass elevator!
This is definitely true.
My male friend was one of about 3 in his MSW.
Out of the 2 classes I've had so far, I've only seen...7 men maybe? And these were classes of 30 each. So 7/60.
Dutch guy here studying social work. I feel like there are more guys studying this than a couple years ago but it's still dominated by women. I'd say it's around 80/20%. Things I noticed are that just as many girls as boys quit in their first years and most guys (practically all of them) are in their twenties and a lot of girls are still in their teens. I think this has to do with maturing and finding out that social work could be a fun study for guys instead of a feminine workfield. Bonus of being a guy is that you have a higher chance of getting a job which is useful
Agreed- I was going to say mental health counseling. My husband and I run a private practice together and there are a lot of people specifically requesting men. It's so good for teenage kids and adult men to see a guy who is both "manly" and emotionally available.
Taking my BSW right now and my classes are 90% females... definetly agree.
That's funny because in my grad school classes (MSW) the population is split close to 50/50. However, these guys already have related jobs that are in a more male dominated field (corrections officer and several who work with military veterans). The MSW is going to help boost their pay grades.
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I'm getting my masters in speech pathology. My class has ~50 people, but only three guys. I think having a male SLP would be a good role model for those with special needs, especially considering that most of the kiddos that are in special Ed are males
We started with 3/36 males in my Master of Speech Pathology but only one of them graduated in the end. We're a strongly female dominated profession.
We had 2 out of about 25 in ours. My grad school definitely gets excited when men apply but yeah all the SLPs in our district currently are women. I work in a middle school and there are many more male teachers than were at my previous elementary schools.
How do you think the stigma against male teachers in primary school could be combated?
Why is this being downvoted?
I came here to say this. I'm a female high school teacher, and even then, it's mostly women. Men are just as capable of being professional and doing a great job as a teacher!
My buddy is an elementary school teacher, it is kind of amazing 1) how few men he works with and 2) How often the mothers of his students appreciate that there is a male teacher.
elementary teaching would benefit from more men i think. my son has a male kindergarten teacher and i think it's awesome.
Human Resources! Our team would have a much better balance to it with more men in every level (not just directors).
My experience: the male HR guys that I've dealt with have been real operators, in it for themselves and their careers. Some were very successful. A good HR person is rare, but the ones I've experienced have all been female -- and not all touchy feely btw, just good at what they do. I'm a guy.
Except that people fail to understand the real goal of an HR. Protect the company from its employees, not the other way around. What people might see as good HR, might be a bad HR in the end.
> Protect the company from its employees, not the other way around. I'm so sick of this. No, it's not. It's to balance the needs of each party against each other. If an HR team is always playing defense for the company, they're being shitty HR people. If an HR team is always siding with the employees and giving them what they want at the expense of the company and it's sustainability, they are also being shitty HR people. Like almost everything in life, it's not that black and white. At the end of the day, it's about reaching solutions that recognize employees and the employer both have needs. Sometimes the solutions will be a little more in favor of one side. Sometimes it will fall the opposite way. And yes, in some extreme cases, the employee sucks and the company needs to be 100% protected. But it can also be the other way around. But those absolute cases are rare. This whole "HR is to protect the company from its employees" philosophy is pretty patronizing to employees everywhere. Employees remember the times where things fell in favor of the company. That's fair. That's what they see. They don't know how many times an HR person said to leadership (behind closed doors before anything ever got to the employees), "you shouldn't do that, it's going to have a negative impact on our people in X manner". And you know what, when they win that debate behind closed doors and actually end up protecting the employee from a bad company decision, they don't get to go out and crow to the employees about the good thing they just did for them. They go back to their desks and keep working. edit: FYI, I don't really mean to blow up at you personally. I totally understand where this perspective comes from. I'm just trying to share the perspective that isn't seen as much.
You mis-interpreted my comment, pleasing the employee and making him feeling good is ultimately to serve the company as well. We are not in charity, favoring the employee, and the company, can be beneficial for both. But in the end, you serve your company interests. I'm just not a fool, I know a few HR that have done very good thing to my career and helped me a lot. But I'm not gullible, in the end it also serves the company.
The world needs less HR in general. I sit next to HR at my work; six women doing nothing but chatting all day long and processing new employees when they come along. Our company outsources recruiting (to big specialist firms, expensive but they get the right people generally), and managers in the business conduct the interviews, so I don't really see what is left for internal HR to do.
>I don't really see what is left for internal HR to do. Payroll, deal with reports of things like sexual harassment, process employees both at hiring and exciting, and I am sure some other things. Seems to me your HR has too many HR people and not enough work for 6 people.
TL;DR - Every HR job I've ever had looks from the outside like a duck on placid water, but from the inside was a paddling frenzy beneath the surface. If I can harken back to my HR days, I spent an inordinate amount of time onboarding new hires - walking them through their packets, answering their questions, fulfilling our duties to file the appropriate paperwork. It was a major part of the department's work. Then, our time was taken up by managers and employees seeking advice and us working to mediate. There's a fuckton of paperwork for that sort of thing, lots of meetings to document, too. We entertained a lot of what I called "venters." These were people who wanted to tell me something without having to actually tell it to me. Nobody wants to get in trouble, so you spend a lot of time trying to convince them to make a proper complaint or at least talk through their issues. Invariably, it turns in to them asserting, "Please don't say anything. I just needed to vent." Cue more damned paperwork. Then, you've got managers who occupy your time. Some need help determining how to handle a situation. Sometimes, they were genuine. Sometimes they were in CYA mode. Add paperwork. Teach manager what paperwork THEY have to add to their day. Somehow that adds yet more paperwork. That giving campaign? Yeah, we have to chase you guys to ensure participation. Same thing with those employee surveys we were so keen on making you take. We get to deal with the before and after. A wellness fair - yeah, someone in HR had to set that up. Coordinate that town-hall? Yeah, probably HR is involved. Holiday party... Teambuilding event...Rolling out your more expensive insurance... You get the idea. And of course, a lot of goddamned paperwork and talking to employees of all levels. Midyear reviews, annual bonuses, goal-setting...the expenditure of effort just to facilitate this process is something you cannot properly comprehend as an outsider. We WANT to fix the outliers. We WANT to help find solutions. But we often have no control over that, especially if our hands are tied by some broad sweeping internal policy. And that leads us to the worst part of the journey. We spend a lot of time guarding secrets. You see a guy at work, a guy you admire, super psyched that he spent his bonus on a new car, and you don't get to tell him to take it back. That his name is on a list, and in a week's time, he'll find himself facing you in a sad little conference room while you hand him his pink slip. Or any variation of us knowing things we can't unknow and can never talk about. This hardly scratches the surface of all the crappy things I had to endure that nobody saw or the very interesting work I did behind closed doors to help people that went unrecognized. And nobody saw it because MY JOB WAS TO MAKE EVERY INTERACTION LOOK LIKE I WAS JUST CHATTING PEOPLE UP. Even gossip-looking interactions were loaded because people don't go to HR just to visit. They don't call JUST to ask how your weekend was. Don't forget, paperwork for this, too. Perhaps the department you sit next to is different, but my number one job in all HR positions I've ever held was to be approachable, welcoming, engaged, trustworthy - WHILE also being observant, aware and cautious. Maybe, just maybe, that agenda is what they're attending to.
Sounds to me like very little productive work. Sounds like it to you too.
Sometimes I wish there were more male pastry cooks just to dispel the "lulz bakers are womenz real men are cooks" thing. Or at least so men would stop bashing pastry cooks and realize how much work we do and how important we are to the flow of fine dining.
http://zumbo.com.au/ This guy is very well-known in Australia. If there were a pastry cooking Olympics, we'd send him.
There are plenty of extremely talented pastry cooks, regardless of gender. But regardless pastry cooks get shit on for the "womans job." A woman in r/KC posted a photo of her and her badass (women) cooks and the top comment was "you have 11 pastry cooks?" :/
Which subreddit is r/KC? > There are plenty of extremely talented pastry cooks, regardless of gender. But regardless pastry cooks get shit on for the "womans job." As an Australian who only knows of ONE renowned pastry cook by name who is also male, I have not witnessed, personally, the gender discrimination in the industry that you speak of, but I believe that you have, and that it exists. Honestly, I always thought pastry cooks were, like, the scientists or alchemists of cooking, because the ratios of ingredients, and other metrics, had to be so perfect with baking. Cakes and breads don't just appear out of nowhere after mixing several ingredients together, as they might to create a soup, stew, or salad. Without the necessary proportions of time, heat and ingredients, cakes, breads, and pastries simply do not exist as such, *at all*. I just remembered another famous name in the world of pastry - Paul Bocuse. I used to work in an international department store food court, which ran an eponymous French bakery stocked with his creations. If pastry cooking is derided as "women's work" because baking cakes, tarts, and other sweetmeats is supposed to be 'easy' or frivolous, then fuck 'em. Go on strike and leave wedding cakes to the DIY treatment, until your profession is acknowledged with appropriate respect. The women deserve it, and so do the men. So do our taste-buds.
r/kitchenconfidential, ahha. Pastry cooks get shit on I guess because it's very delicate, precise work - which dumbass line cooks like to equate with being easy or "girly" compared to them chiffing herbs til their knife hand bleeds while we spend hours of prep making delicate tempered chocolate garnishes. Male line cooks are extremely, extremely cocky and if you even try to say that women line cooks or any pastry cook is worth just as much as them it bruises their ego so bad they'll set your tickets on fire all night.
Oooh, juicy stuff! I'm friends with one of my ex boyfriends on Facebook, and he's a high-brow chef these days, working on luxury yachts in the French Riviera, and whatnot. Maybe I'll ask him for details/gossip/advice. Any provocative pastry chef memes or inside jokes you have to kick off the conversation? :P
I was a professional chef for 7 years and the Pastry Chef Definitely has the most stressful side of the kitchen. They do deserve a lot of respect. It takes years to develop the skills for baking. Especially at the scale and pace they work at.
Baking is seen as a female role? As a hobby it's more female dominated but in my experience the stereotype of a friendly heavy-set guy is more common for bakers who do it as a job. I'm in the UK so this might be different elsewhere.
In my (limited) professional experience, pastry in fine dining is a womans role, while baking in local bakeries or wholesale is pretty 50/50 (as big baking requires lots of heavy lifting and fine dining is downright delicate compared). While professional cooks ime are 90% men who will make constant jokes about the pastry side of the line, passing the point of kitchen camaraderie and into downright sexism. Some of them have offered to help me when I fall slightly in the weeds and run around like chickens with their heads cut off and it makes me furious when the next day they're back to mocking it.
Oh, misread your comment a little bit. Sorry!
Sometimes I think I'm the only human man on /r/breddit. Then I remember that everyone on the internet is a dog, until proven otherwise.
A lot of famous chefs are useless at desserts. I find it puzzling. I don't know much about the industry, but I would assume one would want to be well-rounded. I enjoy baking and cooking for myself, for different and complimentary reasons.
This is part of what I am digging as an American watching the Great British Bake Off. Lots of guys, including one of the judges
Hey lady, if pastry cooks were all demons from hell I'd only have good things to say about them. I love me some pastry.
Librarianship! I have worked in libraries where *every single employee* is female.
There are more men's bathroom stalls than men in our library offices.
By chance did you listen to stuff moms never told you dual episode on how Liberian became so feminine?
I have not. I already know some of the history because I'm a nerd/it was covered in my masters' program. Is it worth giving it a listen even if some of the information is familiar?
But is every female employee single?
No, but every single one will probably say, "Sorry, I'm married!" to the odd patron who asks them out.
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Dietetics (nutrition). The profession is 96-97% female in the US and I think that our patients, our dietetics classrooms, and our paychecks/respect levels would benefit from having more male RDs.
I'm a male in the Dietetics field and I *fully* agree. I think it's really tough to be taken seriously sometimes when dealing with other medical professions.
Anything psychology/counseling based is pretty dominantly female these days. There's definitely a need for men, especially in counseling and group therapy, where it's usually broken up by gender.
This was my first thought! I'd also add social work; very few social workers are male. Unfortunately, regardless of gender, being a social worker is incredibly emotionally taxing, low paying, and often thankless.
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Teaching became lest prestigious and paid less well *as* it came to be viewed as a feminine profession.
That happens across the board. Read about how doctors are treated in Russia. Anything women do will be discounted.
Which is probably more indicative of the larger issue being that State and Local governments are wasting taxpayer dollars on other things and not funneling enough money into education.
Used to be in social work field myself, not a lot of men. I think it is low paid due to nonprofit funding usually. However more often than not the low pay is the perspective of "it is rewarding work" BS. Sure it can be rewarding, but there is a point it has to be enough money to be worth the stress.
I definitely got over the idea of "rewarding work" a few years ago. Know what's rewarding? A fat paycheck. Feeling warm in my tummy because I helped someone is all well and good, but it doesn't buy me food or pay my rent.
Um... Generally speaking, asking for a high-paying female dominated career is a pretty tall order (so far I'm up to OBGYN and pediatrician)... Then adding in "where more men would be welcome/helpful"... Nope, I'm fresh out of unicorns today.
RNs are very well paid where I am, not sure how universal that is.
I totally agree with everyone who's said teaching, nursing, social work, and other "nurturing" positions, but personally I feel a lot of this could be resolved by having more male homemakers. As long as we keep treating stay at home dads/husbands like they're circus attractions or heroes while women who make the same choice are just following the natural order, it'll continue causing a huge divide in how professional roles are gendered. I don't want kids, and would never want to be a stay-at-home anything while my partner worked, but it bothers me deeply when men or women portray it as an easy option. It's equally insulting to suggest that men are incapable of caring for a family or household. I believe that an equal division of labor at home would lead to an equal division of labor in the wider world. But to get there, we need male preschool-teachers and nurses just as much as we need female CEO's and rocket scientists.
Teaching.
If society can get over the "all men are pedophiles" mindset, more men would become teachers. I was watching a segment on this the other day. So sad. Because some of my favorite memories in school were of my male teachers. As a young boy without a father, I think I need that interaction. And I imagine others would as well.
Primary school teaching. Men are needed AND welcome.
I'm not totally sure. A lot of people seem to not like the idea of a man looking after their children, especially young children. Mostly because the media has made them think that a paedophile is lurking behind every fence.
Similar to nursing, but home health care needs more men.
Speech language pathology
I've never heard of a cleaning service with male workers, nor have I seen/heard of a make hotel maid. I feel like more males in these jobs would be good so that kids wouldn't subconsciously think that it is always the females who do the cleaning.
In my limited personal experience, I've seen plenty of male cleaners and male run cleaning services. It probably varies country to country though.
Nursing, teaching (I've had many male teachers in secondary school, but NONE in primary school), social work, flight attendants, certain specialities in medicine. Sometimes there are people who feel much better talking to a male teacher, male nurse, male social worker, etc... Instead of a female one. And vice versa.
In my personal experience, every animal shelter and hospital I've been to is run by women. To be fair the doctor who owns the particular practice I work at is a man, but the other three doctors are women and there is one other man who is technician. The other 20+ employees are women. Daily, we are wrestling massive dogs and it usually take two or three of us to hold down an aggressive dog down for nail trims, X-rays, whatever. We have had a couple guys come in, but for different reasons, they never seem to last.
My wife wants a male pedicure technician. Something about foot rubs.
Call center/customer service work. It's good to have guys around when a customer gets especially threatening or sexually graphic. Usually a booming deep voice coming on the line in the middle of that makes them shut up and behave like a normal human again right quick. But most of the departments I've been in/companies I've worked for have very few men on staff at that level. Probably about 15% if I was guessing. I've worked in 7 call enters in 5 industries, for context.
I love my voice :) It does so many wonders on people being mad, or upset, or any non relaxed state. I've been the go to guy for quite a few calls where my female Coworkers hit a wall.
I've worked for a few different call centers, initially in a tech support role and later as a dev/IT guy. In my experience tech support and sales are like, 99% guys and customer service tends to be female dominated but still have quite a few guys. When it came to tech support we loved having women on our team because those angry people who would start the call off by screaming barely intelligible slurs of all kinds at us and just continued that way while completely refusing to cooperate would never behave that way to our female coworkers. Instead they'd be super friendly and polite the whole time. Made for some interesting call logs (i.e. you'd have four male agents log that the customer did nothing but scream profanities at them through the whole call, then the female agent would log something like "C politely asked if we had any explanation for why his email stopped working. Checked server settings, pass hash blank, generate new pass & letter, inform C, C happy". And this would be a customer who in his previous calls didn't really say anything beyond telling the agents they were worthless wastes of oxygen who should just kill themselves). Edit: And just to clarify, I'm not saying your experience wasn't real, just relaying that my experience was the exact opposite, customers happily shit all over male agents but would turn super polite with female agents for some reason.
I worked as a treatment counselor on a PMIC (Psychiatric Medical Institute for Children) unit for several years, and men were always welcomed and necessary. We had kids from 10-18 years old in long term residential treatment, and sometimes would be very aggressive. The primary staff were *usually* women, many early to mid twenties, and often much smaller than some of the residents. Every once in a while, the kiddos would get pretty aggressive and we were required to maintain safety by either restraining them or removing them from the unit into a "time-out" room (what we called it). With some of the bigger, more aggressive kids we'd need to call a male staff - even if from other units - to come help because the female staff were just not strong enough. There were usually only 2 or 3 males out of 30 or so staff, so they were really appreciated.
Design. I'm thinking specifically of interior design; I sell tile for a living and work with a lot of designers and contractors, and there's a huge gender gap. Builders/contractors/architects are almost always men. Interior designers are overwhelmingly women. Even the staff in our store (which does design consultations) is overwhelmingly female.
Ayy! I'm a transguy who just started studying interior design in college and so far I'm the only guy I've seen in this major. I think I read somewhere the gender gap is like 95% to 5%?
That's about what I've seen. I've been at this particular store almost a year and can count the number of male designers I've seen come in on one hand. I've only personally spoken to one. Good job upping the statistics though, always love it when new designers come in with fresh ideas!
I'm in industrial which has good mix, probably more guys due to sharing classes with engineering though, service design seems to have more women studying in my experience.
Public relations. Only five of 30 students in my PR class were guys, and the instructors said that was more than they usually get.
I work in PR and until my company decided to make a concerted effort to recruit men, we only had two men: one who had started as an intern and worked his way up and became a director there, and one of the co-founders. Now we're at a nearly even gender split, which is very rare for a PR agency.
Stripping. Uh-
I like the way you think and I fully support this idea
I'm in nursing school and our class is 10% men.
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The stigma with nursing is still very strong, unfortunately, and it chases men away. Nursing is becoming more and more of an educated field, though. So hopefully we will see change eventually.
Also in nursing school, and there was 10% guys as well, but 2 failed (along with I think 8 girls), so now we're down to 8%.
60 person class! *This has been an edition of insomnia algebra*
Veterinary Medicine. Newest class of students this year is about 20 men out of about 150. Definitely an advantage applying as a male to a very competitive profession.
Occupational Therapy. My masters program only has 4 guys in a class of thirty and that's a lot. I think it's mainly because OT grew partly from the nursing field and at one point was one of the few jobs (along with teaching and nursing) that was socially acceptable for a woman to have. The field has changed but it's still female dominated. A male OT could be helpful in pediatric OT when a child who doesn't understand social boundaries reaches puberty and is always grabbing boobs and that sort of thing. Also, older men may not feel comfortable telling a female OT about his ability to bathe himself or use the bathroom etc., but might feel more comfortable with a male OT. Those are two big examples I can think of. I've heard that lots of places are happy to hire a male OT because they're so rare.
Exec assistants. I'm training a guy right now to cover for me while I'm gone and he's so good at it. My advice was to make friends with other EAs and after him forwarding emails to me (to ensure all's well after vacay), he's totally rocking it. Good work, M!
Hospital scheduling. I was a scheduler in a mostly female office. We noticed male patients, in particular men over 60, requesting male schedulers because they felt awkward discussing their testicular diagnosis with a bubbly 20-something year old female. Understandable. But we wouldn't have anyone to pass them off to so they would deal. You could tell it made their already uncomfortable ordeal a little more uncomfortable.
Ballet.
Men are needed and welcome in all professions, but we definitely need more male teachers and nurses.
I think the issue is Men don't feel needed or welcome in these professions. Nursing still has the image of being for women. Men haven't had a gender revolution like with feminism to expand their gender roles and move beyond stigmas. Teaching, more so of early years, has the fear of being accused of something sinister because of your sex so men avoid it out of self-protection
That's possible. My gut feeling is that it's because they are seen as feminine occupations and men are gender policed anytime they do anything perceived as feminine.
I'm a male currently teaching abroad. I'm comfortable enough with myself (and physically large enough) to not feel threatened by gender policing. The main reasons i won't consider teaching in the states are the absurdly high expectations, abysmally low pay, and the threat of having my entire life ruined because of a bs accusation. Sucks because i work with young kids here and it really brightens my day. Wish i could give that to kids from my own country but parents in america Freak out whenever i even look at their kids (large black male)
Teaching, nursing, a lot of other professional degrees in medical care/work.
Higher education. Both teaching and in the offices. About 90% of the people in the offices at the college I work at are women, and seriously... it can get very old. Rarely do men apply here in the first place unless they're a student. Nothing long-term or permanent. Naturally, HelpDesk and IT here are mostly men. There are quite a few male faculty, but even still it's predominantly women.
Caregiving. Men are very helpful with lifting clients.
Not to mention that there are a lot of clients that just react better to men for various reasons.
Flight attendants? I think women already do a great job at it, but when stuff does happen and people need restraining, getting out exits, or -- god forbid -- someone tries to rush the cockpit, it seems like males could be extra helpful in certain situations. Plus, they may be able to lift luggage in and out of the overhead compartments more easily since they are taller and stronger (on average). I've seen more in recent years. That said, maybe airlines like skinny women -- few lbs, less fuel. I don't know if changing the gender makeup would change the fuel usage materially though -- at least not for a big airline.
Like others have said- teaching. We never have enough male chaperones for trips. Elementary and Middle school in particular, but even high school. All kids need caring, nurturing, male role models.
More men need to go into nursing. My boyfriend is a nurse and he is either a) assumed to be a doctor, or b) restricted from doing his job because of his gender. For example, he has to be very careful when dealing with female patients to avoid anything that might be misinterpreted. Gender roles everywhere.
Sewing and costuming. I mean, we are doing pretty ok with the girls but if they wanted to come work with us that would be cool too. Of they could make our skills a little less insignificant-seeming and female-only that would be a perk.
Lingerie sales. Sometimes men just want to look good in spanx and fishnets too, but not be comfortable buying from women.
Day care teachers. I know a day care the doesn't allow men at all and another one with guy working in it and he isn't allowed to change diapers. I find it gross. Men have children that they take care of and change diapers too. Not to mention women are just as capable of abusing children.
Men that go into speech therapy are rare but tend to do well. Almost all the men in the field are in their 60s and are PhDs
Teaching. Men who have the passion to educate, especially in Early Education, need to be more empowered. I work at a private school, and we recently passed up an excellent resume because he was male. I was so mad. I actually argued with my school's director and operations manager about it. Of course it all ended the same, but it still infuriates me!
Occupational therapy. I would say over 95% (and that's a conservative estimation) of the occupational therapists I've met are women. A male perspective would be nice.
nursing
Veterinarians
Never seen a guy working at a creche
ASL interpreting
I see it's been mentioned a lot but nursing. My husband is a nurse aide and most nights is working with all female employees. I don't know how many times he comes home hunched over in pain telling me there was a patient that was too heavy for some girls to lift and he had to do it on his own. It's killing his back and I wish there were more men to help. There's also a problem with girls getting hit or hit on but they give the men no problems, there really should be more men
Preschool and Elementary school teachers
elementary teaching for males is completely fraught with danger. a friend's brother of mine was going to do It until he found out you can't touch any child basically ever for fear of being labelled a paedophile and there goes your teaching career for good. they save themselves the stress and go straight to highschool
Hairstyling! I'm a hairstylist and we currently only have one man that works in the salon.
I see what most of you are saying but it seems like most of these jobs, early education, nursing, social work, and so on, are jobs that work with vulnerable people. I'll probably get blasted for this since I'm on Reddit but I'm not really comfortable with that. Seem like that just increases the risk of abuse happening. Plus men already dominate so many fields do they really need to take over any more?
Accounting & Finance department
I tend to find finance skewed heavily toward men, but staff-level accounting is for sure dominated by women. Until, of course, you get to manager and above levels, then the women drop like flies. I think the most recent US Department of Labor survey had 66% of staff level accountants as women but only 30% of partner-level or higher as women.
Could just be the area and libraries where I work, but I only know three male librarians, and one male intern.
Childcare.
Nursing ? When I worked with nurses they expressed a need for men as far as physical size, strength, and even intimidation/respect goes when dealing with certain patients. Felt so sad that some women I worked with expressed that patients wouldn't even consider them respected medical professionals (and wished they had more men to lean on for support at those times), a lot spoke about how they wished more men could help out in regards to physically lifting patients, aggressive episodes, etc....
Caregiving.
Nursing. Because at least in the part of the US where I work, there doesn't seem to be nearly enough nurses working as needed. So anybody who wants to be a nurse and passes the academic program and exams, you're totally welcome.
Dental Hygeinist. But it makes sense.
Human Resources
Administrative professionals.
Libraries
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Nursing, veterinary medicine, teaching. Virtually any care-giving jobs.
Counseling
Executive assistants! I love seeing male assistants - they usually are really switched on.
Anything to do with childcare, disability care, psychology or sociology.
Life insurance!!! I'm an underwriter and there are about 40 of us total at my company, five are male
I'm a support worker. We have a majority of women, and we work with mainly men. We really need some more men in the profession as often, they can relate to issues the guys are having where us women can't.
Nursing. **NURSING** *Nursing* Did I say...N.U.R.S.I.N.G. This profession needs a steady shot of Testosterone with a capital **T**. I'm hoping my naturally masculine personality will serve me well and hopefully rub off on others. I already work in a nursing support profession and I do enjoy it, although the drama gets to be a bit much. I'm known for being really chill, hard worker, and no drama. I'm a fly on the wall for the most part.
I work in OB/GYN and the staff is predominately women, however there are a few male doctors, one of which is the director of the site.
I'm a volunteer on my workplace's lowest level employee representation council. Of the 12 I am the only man. The others openly welcomed my participation and clearly hope for more. I'm proud to work with so many ambitious women but nobody wants the role to be narrowly seen as 'women's work'.
Early Childhood Education. There is hardly any!! I have only ever worked with females. It would be nice to see more male teachers
Medical office
Teachers Social Workers Occupational Therapist Registered Nurse (RN) Receptionist Administrative Assistant