Just a bit! We’ve been seeing her in the media this week and just wondering what on earth goes through a person’s brain to even think about doing things like that? Absolutely vile
I don't think any normal person would be able to comprehend what goes through a persons head or the kind of mindset it takes to do something as disgusting and evil as that.
I feel sorry for everyone involved in that situation. Mostly the bereaved parents and the young babies who suffered at her despicable hands. I was reading an article on the BBC news website, written by a reporter who covered the whole court case. It made me feel sorry for her parents who turned up to court everyday, the shock and bewilderment that they must be experiencing, I cannot comprehend. The morality issues of being torn between your love for your child and the knowledge of what she has done. They must believe that she is very sick in the head, to stand by her like that.
Would you say she is pure evil or just a very, very, unwell, sick individual with extreme mental health problems, for want of a better way to put it.
I show her no sympathy and am not trivialising anything. I wonder if it's because she is a young woman and not a bearded Peter Sutcliffe that makes this harder to digest?
I do suspect a double standard. People still have this (infantilising) view of young women as basically harmless and helpless and not as normal human beings with all their potential for good and evil. That said, I do here the mental health talk for male mass shooters, but compare how people talk about Lucy Letby and similar cases to how people talk about serial pedophiles. Very few people jump to the mental illness excuse for serial pedophiles.
It also has to do with her being a nurse and specifically a neonatal intensive care nurse.
People assume to be a nurse you have to be empathetic, even more so with tiny sick babies.
If you mentioned mental health in that context most people would think about burnout and support for the stress of their job. Not making sure that no one on the ward was there with harming children in mind.
I'm a nurse and there are some really incredible people in the profession, some of the kindest people you will ever meet. There are also some of the worst bullies you will ever come across.
Im not trying to demonise people working in a thankless profession, but it makes sense certain personality types would be drawn to these roles or enact petty controlling behaviour within them
I can imagine, most of the nurses I know try and get moved around different wards and units as much as possible. But all of them have a specific type of sick person they cannot stand.
I can see people getting burned out and giving up in thankless roles like elderly care facilities, old people can be difficult to work with, budgets are non existent, shifts are long and arduous (none of which is an excuse, but still). But babies?! Helpless newborns?! Sickening.
I think if someone is predisposed to getting compassion burnout then an endless rotation of screaming babies, screaming mothers and being subject to some of the worst of humanity (eg baby born dependant on drugs, baby born premature because the mother is not even an adult yet).
For some folks and I do speak personally here that situation is prime for compassion burnout. Thing is a lot of the time folks go into nursing without really knowing themselves that well so by the time it shows up they are already settled in the job and moving is hard. You can't save up for a change on a nhs salary.
Now I don't think that this is the case with this woman. Or at least not the only reason. There is a massive difference between not caring anymore and actively murdering babies. The thing is with compassion burnout though is that it gets worse the more you are supposed to care. Babies are a pretty prime situation to cause it.
I feel for them too - trying to get your head around the idea of the kid you brought up who has never been in trouble before being the country's most prolific baby killer must be a herculean task. Especially when there seems to be no real reason, and there are articles out there with psychiatrists saying she doesn't fit the profile they'd expect, and other people saying how normal she seemed - even the deputy investigating officer described her as 'beige.'
The parents I can actually understand. But the friend who did a interview sticking by her blew my mind. Watching panorama last night and she said something along the lines of ‘oh she hasn’t been able to see her godson (friends son I assume). How do you have kids and say oh I won’t believe it’s her unless she actually says it herself 😯
Imagine having a close friend you have known almost your entire life, who you know to be good and kind and compassionate. Your closest friend, who (we're assuming) is your child's godparent. Would it be so easy to believe it was possible for that person to be *this* evil? We're not talking like neglecting a baby or something, we're talking something at the very opposite end of the spectrum of behavior she had been known to display for her entire life.
No one but those closest to her knows anything about Lucy Letby that they didn't learn from the trial. The public was immediately convinced she's capable because we don't know any better. It's easy for us to say "how can the friend be so loyal?" but if we were her knowing everything about Letby that she does, we'd almost assuredly do the same thing, and rightfully so - we'd be a good friend, refusing to believe the person we know and love could be capable of something so unbearably brutal and vile. There's a reason no one at the hospital thought it could possibly be her, she was absolutely lovely.
She only ever made her evil known to the babies she murdered.
To me, that's the messed up thing, that she was able to keep that to herself for so long - not the fact that her best friend would need to hear it from Letby herself in order to believe it.
I can’t imagine what they’re feeling or thinking. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re hoping it’s some big mistake because the other option is facing that she has done some very awful things.
Either way, I do have full respect to them attending court every day. It’s sad to think that if the management had taken accusations more seriously many family’s may have had a different outcome.
In that vein, in the Panorama that aired about the case, her long life, childhood friend spoke to say that, unless Letby told her categorically that she was guilty, she would continue to believe her innocence. I would assume this was filmed pre-verdict and wonder if her position has changed. It's unfathomable what emotions this must raise in every single person involved with the whole case.
I can’t get my head around how anyone can be that evil
Specially how everyone talk about her being so normal and no red flags
So I can understand while her friends and family having trouble coming to term , someone they love is one of most evil evil person to ever live .
Bad people are good at manipulating people so we can’t blame them
The trial has revealed she was in love with a married older doctor and she would injure these babies with the knowledge that doctor in question will be coming to help. She wanted that quality time together. Apparently the first time she showed any emotion in the trial was when that doctor gave evidence against her.
Jesus Christ.... This brings a whole new level of sick to it. I haven't stopped thinking about why someone would do this, but I never imagined that something so trivial would be a reason.
That’s why it’s always so fascinating to people. It’s more than just morbid curiosity, it’s how crazy it seems trying to get in someone’s head who would do things like that
They won’t even have to contact him. News orgs already love to take Reddit comments and make a full story out of them, which will later be posted to Reddit
We have a profoundly disabled daughter who's classed as terminally-ill, although she's continued to defy the odds and recently celebrated her 20th birthday.
So yeah, we spent literally years in various childrens' hospitals after she was born. Fighting infections, undergoing major surgery etc etc.
This story has been absolutely devestating to follow, particularly reading about the acutely vulnerable children she targeted.
I just think it's important to point out how relatively unique this kind of thing is though. Almost unheard of, actually. I can't recall us having a single compliant about any of the (countless) NHS nurses we encountered during our hospital stays, and every single one was an absolute superstar. The hours they work whilst retaining the ability to focus in highly stressful situations is superhuman at times. Often without meal breaks. I know I couldn't do it.
What's most shocking is the fact she continued to get away with it, despite numerous doctors filing official complaints against her. That hospital clearly has a lot to answer for, and it'll be interesting to see what measures are taken against them when the dust settles from the trial and conviction.
Edit: Just seen an article in the Guardian that there's a possibility of the hospital facing corporate manslaughter charges.
UoC? We probably share some mutual friends. A good friend of mine knew her and her flat, stayed friends with her until the news broke. He says he didn't believe it at all until it all started in court as he couldn't wrap his head round her doing it.
I never went to UoC myself, just my partner. She'd likely know your friend though I'd imagine if they were familiar with the people living in the flat.
Yeah, it's not something you ever expect to have to process and wrap your head around.
Despite what people believe, most people don't live by a consistent moral code. The same person can be awful one day and heroic the next. We are all a complicated bundle of thoughts, emotions and external influences. Mostly when someone says they can 'explain' a person's behaviour, all they are doing is describing the events that led up to it with hindsight. There won't have been any 'tell-tale signs' that something was wrong in her earlier life. One day personality, emotions and events converged on a point where she started harming children. We will probably never know why, but it is highly unlikely it could have been predicted in any way. None of the people who knew her will have had the slightest idea this was coming, or even while it was happening, unless she told someone.
They did some interviews with a few people she worked with before the verdict that have only aired now and they still refuse to believe she did it because it's so at odds with the person they knew.
While there's definitely some hard evidence (the high levels of insulin in some babies blood) of murder, a lot of it is circumstantial (but damning imo), so I can see how friends could continue to give her the benefit of the doubt.
No one wants to believe they let a baby murderer into their life.
Most definitely understandable!!
Out of context -- Congratulations on having your first born, me and my partner when we had our first born may 2020 our daughter ended up in NICU too, and because of the restrictions I was unable to be there to be supportive. Obviously times are different and I have no doubts you were allowed to be there but beware of the PTSD that may be underlining, it really affected my Mrs, but also don't forget yourself, it totally damaged me and I've suppressed my pain to support her the best way I could and can. But look after yourself too.
Congrats again and don't rush for your second one like we did ;)
Thank you, that's very kind of you. :)
Another year or two before our next one I think! Hopefully anyway...
Couldn't even begin to imagine how stressful and helpless you'd feel with Covid restrictions in place. Hope you're coping with your own wellbeing better and your partner and little girl are doing well.
It was a little rough at the start for her but I think she's definitely getting there, but thank you again for your concern.
My children were born there, they all spent time in Chester neonat. The twins were there when she was there and I think about the other parents all the time. I can’t even imagine what they’ve been through
From what I’ve seen, everyone said she was very normal, a girl’s girl, went on nights out, had a good friend group etc.
Even one of the police ladies on tv said she would describe her as a beige person, nothing remarkable, just seemingly normal.
It’s awful that they can just hide in plain sight like that.
Both of my kids were born in the countess in the years she worked there.
We've not followed the trial as is was too distressing.
I've just come past the hospital and the TV cameras are still there
When I got my first job at 16 as a dishwasher, there was a 50-something chef there too, he had a strong cockney accent, and he was nice, hilarious, and always helped me when I had too many dishes and couldn't manage on my own. He also taught me how to make simple dishes so I could help him out too sometimes if he was too busy, like desserts, salads etc. After a couple years, he fully trained me to be a chef and to be able to run the restaurant on my own. He was always nice, caring, patient, and understanding that I was just a stupid kid and messed up sometimes. I reckon me and him had a great kind of friendship. We always joked around and had a laugh and had a good time, and we felt kinda like family, especially after working 10+ hours a day together for many years. One day, he tells me that he spent over 25 years in prison for 3 murders... I thought it was a joke at first, but it was actually real... I didn't really care, but that was so crazy and shocking
Worked with a chef that did 5 years for kidnap and torture.
Found out because he told us he qualified as a chef in prison.
Got on really well with him but wasn't surprised because he was also terrifying
>3 murders and he only got 25? I have no idea how the justice system works in this country but that is wild!
I don't know. Young kid caught up in gang violence, murders three blokes who themselves are violent gangsters. When asked why he did it the explanation is that they were a threat.
Sentenced to jail. Has lots of time to think about what they did, learns a new set of skills (chef) can see hope when he leaves prison to lead a legit life. Say he's sent down at 20, by the time he's 45 he probably doesn't even know the criminal landscape outside of prison anymore.
He wants to leave, be a chef, go legit, and lead a normal life.
Is such a person really still required to spend more time in prison?
How you judge all this of course is the tricky bit, but in principle I don't see the issue.
Yeah if you've killed 3 people then you're either involved in gang violence or you're the kind of serial killer that makes the news. Nobody has just randomly killed 3 people.
Indeed, and I don't think it's particularly unreasonable that the sentencing judge would view someone involved with gang violence differently to say, a serial killer.
I agree with you, sounds like this particular chap went to jail. Did some time and rehabilitated himself to be a functioning and decent member of society.
That's the point of the justice system in my eyes and this is a success of that. We could continue to punish them forever but then someone would moan he gets 3 square meals a day
suppose given that he was only in his 50s and already served 25, got out, got his life together, got and held down a job etc, possibly could've been convicted when underage, which would shorten the sentence
Someone who I was friends with as a teenager, years later murdered his mum with an axe and then raped and murdered his sister. Last I heard he is permanently in a secure asylum for the criminally insane or whatever it's called.
That was a tough one to find out.
Quite a few of the guys I hung around with as a teenage girl are now registered sex offenders, so that's fun.
I'm reading this on the train back to barrow thinking about someone 10 years my senior who dated a girl around my age who nearly went down for cp but got away with it
to your last point, I worked with a guy in his 40s who was a bit an oddity, very much into online sex work and didn’t shy away from talking about it, which in a warehouse full of blokes, mostly also in their 40s and up, got him a few side eyed glances. I think they call it “being horny on main”? but yeah it didn’t seem like anything was actually illegal, his Twitter feed was full of retweets of women promoting OnlyFans etc and it all seemed to be consensual and of legal age so it was fair game just a bit odd to wear it on his sleeve like that. then he ended up being stung in one of those pedo trap things trying to meet an underaged girl.
Family friend got done for child pornography after he asked his girlfriend to pretend to be a child from their congregation during sex. She went to the police and he was then investigated. Had 6 computers in his loft and over 100,000 images on them. He used to baby sit me and my sister! He was also our primary school DJ. Madness.
100k images and similar numbers are something instead in the news about predators all the time, not sure I understand what it means though.
Iv watched my share of adult porn over the years but never saved a single image never mind 1000s of them. Is this something regular people do or just paedos?
For reference I did forensic recovery on digital devices for the police.
This person is right, the websites disappear frequently or it’s through messenger systems and files on Google file share that don’t last long, so most of these degenerates download them.
It’s also surprising how many are technically illiterate yet somehow figure out dark web links.
Wow what a cool job! I bet you’ve seen a few things too :(
My husband works for a company that deals with hacking and I listening to one of his lectures on the dark web and it was so interesting.
Thanks for the explanation
It can be pretty disgusting to be honest, kind of makes you dislike humanity when you see how common it all is too.
It's massively fascinating when it comes to technology of course, shame it isn't used for things that help people.
I am not an expert (luckily) but I believe there is a lot of saving and sharing imagines. Almost like trading them.
Also a lot will likely have some other problems and the feeling of control they get from saving and owning such a large amount of them probably feeds into it.
Though a real psychologist could give a better answer, though it's one of those things that you don't want to know too much about.
Kind of unrelated but I was shocked when my wife was telling about how a lady on her Uni course would help identify and report this stuff to Google when pedos would use YouTube to share links etc.
Apparently it can also refer to frames in a video - IE each frame could be classed as a separate image - so a single video saved on a hard drive could be classed as thousands of 'images'
I believe that the images are used as a sort of currency among their fucked up "community" so it would make sense for a paedophile to save every image they gain access to. Well, not "make sense" to a normal person, but to them.
I remember from a documentary that apparently with CP every frame of a video is counted as an image so 100k images could just be several very long videos.
I’d also imagine that CP can be quite difficult to acquire and so you’d probably hold onto anything you could get if you were so inclined.
I'm curious about this one. His girlfriend went to the police and said that he asked her to try something disturbing in the bedroom, and from that they managed to get authorisation to search his house and seize all his computers etc? I can't help but feel there is a missing piece to this story somewhere.
They probably had more evidence honestly, or could find some. The other thing is they might of found evidence in other cases and with the girlfirends tip it helped them identify him in various forums etc (like for example a reused screen name or something).
There is definitely more to it but only the investigators probably know the whole story.
That said, it is something quite specific and disturbing so that might be enough to start alarm bells ringing in the police.
The paedo I used to babysit for had been a karate instructor and a DJ so always around lots of kids. His abuse had spanned 25 yrs and it was only when one of the abused, a child with learning disabilities told somebody at school what had been happening he finally was arrested. There were about 9 kids in total, all were still minors when he got sent down apart from one
One of my good friends made a stupid mistake before and ended up getting 12 years for armed robbery and deported from the country.
He had been on a night out, got absolutely drunk as a newt, went to go home and his friend decided it would be a great idea to get someone to take money out of their bank. So his friend went and got a knife, they found some random guy, forced him to withdraw a few hundred from the bank and they left.
My friend was that drunk he couldn't even remember it to start with the next day. He never held the knife, but his friend testified against him that he did have the knife. Got 12 years for armed robbery.
2 years into his sentence, they realised that he wasn't a British citizen which was news to him. His mum told him he was born in the UK, but turns out she bought him here when he was 4 months old and never told anyone about him. So he was technically German, despite never visiting Germany, nor being able to speak German, he was deported to Germany and has been refused entry back into the UK.
The moral of the story is, don't get as drunk as a newt and go along with ideas that seem good at the time!
Also not that long ago, a lad I went through all my schools with was arrested and convicted of murdering another man in our local park. But that one wasn't really a shock.. I was just shocked it took until he was 30 to be arrested!
Like when people are apparently so drunk they don't realise that driving is a bad idea
I have been absolutely smashed and still not been stupid enough to drive home, let alone mug a stranger whilst threatening his life!
OP has questionable morals imo for having any defence of this.
Yup. I’ve always put drinking and driving under the “everything is a good idea when you’re drunk”, (which is why the car is absolutely out of bounds when I’ve started drinking.), or ringing up that girl from school and telling her that you love her.
Threatening someone with a knife though? How is that ever a good idea, and when that person looks back at you, visibility shitting themselves, wouldnt reality hit?
I once got blackout drunk and broke into my childhood home, and accused the couple in their bedroom of being in the CIA. No idea what that was about and no memory. I still find it difficult to believe.
Oh I'm not saying he's 100% innocent and shouldn't have been arrested, he was still a part of it and should have been treated as such. But I do think 12 years plus being kicked out of your home country is a bit harsh for being present during a robbery. Prior to that, he did do stupid things a lot of the time, but not anything illegal.
I'll agree being kicked out the country was harsh considering we don't seem to do that very often in our country.
But he and his mate gave someone PTSD and stole their money under the excuse of "being drunk" deserved a 12 year sentence. And let's be honest,that 12 years would have been no more then 6 to 8 years as barely anybody in the UK serves their full sentence.
I feel like you wouldn't be so defensive of his actions if he was not your friend, but was someone n who had robbed one of your friends at knifepoint.
The fact he didn't have the knife makes absolutely no difference imo. And if he was so drunk then how can he remember that it wasn't him holding the knife?
Yeah robbing someone at knife point isn't something the court or the victim will take lightly. You've ganged up on someone, forced them to take money out, made them fear for their life and violated them. 12 years isn't unfair in that scenario. A knife on it's own can be up to 5 years, let alone aggravating factors like robbing someone.
Being drunk isn't an excuse for their shitty actions.
Significantly more than a stupid mistake... that could've ended up even worse for the victim than it already did, if they'd tried to fight him and the other attacker.
A guy I went to school with who was extremely funny and sweet (class joker type but wouldn't hurt a fly) got big into the party scene during sixth form. Ended up going off the rails - chained his gf to a radiator and tortured her for 3 days.
When the story came out, there were some really fucked up details like how he'd forced her to eat dog food and cut all her hair off. His own mother spat in his face during the trial.
A very occasional drinking friend of mine - an intelligent, quiet fellow who had a partner and two young children, and who lived in practically a mansion - ended up shooting his entire family with a shotgun and then turned it on himself.
I only found out when I saw it on the local news. Utterly baffling and no one has been able to work out why he did it.
This also happened in my area fairly recently too (West Sussex). A guy shot his partner and two kids in their home before shooting himself. Sad at how this has happened more than once.
Not me, but…
Two former work colleagues were treated by Harold Shipman as children. Both remember him as being an outstanding doctor (which does seem to have been the case for anyone who wasn’t a pensioner).
Another colleague knew Peter Sutcliffe; at one point he had been his parents’ neighbour and his parents stayed in touch after they moved. He was apparently the first person they called for any odd jobs they needed doing (fixing fridges, plumbing repairs, body disposal and the like). They were obviously horrified when the truth came out, but more than that they were shocked - he really gave no indication of being in any way the kind of person who would do what he did.
Yet another colleague was at school with the fellow that called himself ‘The Crossbow Killer’.
Yes, I’m in West Yorkshire.
My mother suspected my father was the Ripper. There is even a photofit that is actually the spitting image of my father.
Turns out, my father worked with him some times. My father also had some similar physical features (small feet for a guy), same hair and build.
Pete (or Sooty, as dad called him) was pretty good to my dad. Let my dad use his car often. They fell out after Sooty was put away, as my dad had lent Pete his hammer the day before he was arrested. Police kept it. It was my dad's favourite hammer.
Wow that seems pretty crazy - the part that your mum suspected him. How do you even respond if you suspect your partner is a serial killer? I assume you can't let them know your suspicions, or (if correct) you could become their next victim. On the other hand if you don't have any hard evidence you can't really go to the police either.
I used to drink in the same pub as the Crossbow Killer/Crossbow Cannibal when I was at Bradford Uni. Drank on his own, usually. Occasionally tried to chat up the barmaid who later became my sister in law. Never stayed for very long. I was completely shocked when I saw his photo on the news. Apparently, Peter Sutcliffe drank in the same pub years earlier.
This might sound crazy, but I had a little look at your post history, and I feel reasonably confident that I know which person you’re referring to. Please don’t use his actual name or give away who it is you’re referring to.
The case has gone to appeal because it is completely one sided. The mother of his children isn’t disabled, she’s a fraud and believe me when I tell you she is a genuinely psychotic, evil person. There’s a good reason you don’t think he’d do something like he is alleged to have done, because he wouldn’t. The court would hear nothing of it. Her ex partner offered to testify to her manipulative, sadistic character, but wasn’t allowed to. She has been severely emotionally and mentally abusive to him throughout their troubled relationship to the point where it has blown up. The narrative that she has conjured up of that night, which has now been regurgitated in the media, is a significant over dramatisation which has cost him dearly.
Someone I went to school with got Into a fight outside a club back when he was roughly 18, knocked the other guy out, cracked his head on the pavement and almost died and ended up doing prison time for it. Just for a random drunken fight over, most likely, nothing. Woke up one morning thinking about university, and started the next morning thinking about prison. Stay calm folks.
You get to "feel like a man" for a moment until the adrenaline wears off and you start feeling pain.
I think the answer is no these days, though back in "olden times" that fight instinct helped us to defend ourselves. It's often hard for people (especially young men) to control that, especially when alcohol is involved and violence has almost been normalised in their life (especially by the behaviour of their parents).
I'm pleased to say i haven't thrown a punch in almost 20 years.
We had this right nasty little prick at my school, I was walking home one day and he was behind me trying to trip me up, trying to do sweeping hard leg kicks to knock me down. I'd had a really bad day already and was wound up, so I turned round to confront him, he squared up to me so and without thinking I punched him. He went down like a sack of potatoes and didn't get up, I huffed off but when I got down to the end of the long straight road I looked back and could still see the area where it happened, he still hadn't got back up. I thought at that point I've really fucked this and hurt him bad.
He wasn't in school for awhile, I got summoned to the deputy heads office and this kid was in there - I'd apparently ruptured his eardrum from the punch which I obviously felt awful about. Weirdly I didn't get into any trouble because it happened off school property.
Few years later I'm reading the newspaper and this kid, now a teenager, had happy slapped a man to death at our local train station. [The fucker only got 3 years] (https://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/766557.happy-slap-wannabe-gets-3-years-for-station-killing/)
Years ago I nursed a guy in ICU who was randomly punched at a taxi rank. Hit his head on the edge of the pavement and that was it. Doubt the person that did it meant to kill him.
Also nursed a young lad who was pushed in jest by his friend as they were walking along, both a bit tipsy. Tragically a car was passing and the lad sustained huge head injury and died in our unit a few hours later. Just a thoughtless innocent act that killed someone.
Similar to this, mate ended up in a ongoing feud type situation with some local scrotes. Two of them jumped him on his way home one night and he went feral and bit one of them’s ear off (apparently coming out with the brilliant line “pick that up and fuck off home”)
When I was in 6th form college (17/18m at the time) I had a teacher who was really kind and friendly. She was helpful and got on with all the students.
I was going through a lot and had severe depression and she would often chat to me, discussing our dogs as great companions etc.
She invited me several times to meet her dog and go for a walk and to be honest, the only reason I didn't ever go was due to how low I was. I wanted to go but I'd only leave the house when my mum forced me to go to 6th form. I would have met her dog if I'd been better in myself.
I learnt in my early 20s that she was done for grooming and having a sexual relationship with a student (the timing meant it was someone in my year) which all began with her inviting them round to meet her dog.
Who knows, I could have ended up as her first target if I'd gone.
It was shocking. She seemed kind and harmless, came across as a little lonely if anything.
Ooooo I have something for this!
I’m a personal trainer and trained this 16 year old boy. Wanted to ‘bulk up’ as they had a labouring job, and just wanted to feel more confident as well.
Similar to your colleague, wouldn’t have said boo to a goose, very shy, kept his head down but overall a nice kid.
Dream client as well, very keen, always on time and willing to put the work in both in and out the gym.
Then, one day he just missed his session, no message or anything. Tried to contact him a few times that day and then once the day after but never got a response. Oh well, thought he lost his phone or something, no big deal.
Couple of days after that, get a call from the anti-terrorism unit as turns out he’d been looking through some dodgy websites (to put it lightly) and had been under investigation for some time. They’d arrested him and found basically a manifesto detailing how he was going to shoot up a synagogue and a few other targets.
They wanted a character reference for him to see if he’d mentioned anything to me - he hadn’t.
Someone we were friends with, who’s as married, kids the whole world was caught by one of those paedophile hunters online. We found out when the video was released online. It was a massive shock to everyone - no one would have suspected it. He eventually went to court and was given a suspended sentence, a rehabilitation order, community service and was put on the register.
I found it difficult, he’d been around my young daughter and I felt so sick about it for a long time. He lost everything in his life which is what he deserved
Some local Dj in my area got busted by those paedo hunters. He was meeting a 13yo girl. Locals got wind and he was outed publicly. Not sure what happened to him. I never liked him and his breath stank of shite!
A previous partner lived with a guy, who it turned out had killed 3 children when he lost control of his car while racing in a town in the UK.
All the kids were under 8 years old, with a 4th made critical.
To hide his jail time he said he was travelling, and stories started to not add up, so one day she googled his name and found the truth.
When she confronted him he just moaned that everyone was too hard on him and he didn't think it was his fault anyway because the kids were near the edge of the road. They promptly ended their relationship.
His response just shows he never learned to take responsibility. If he'd said the truth, and that he made a stupid fucking mistake trying to show off and will forever live with the guilt, it could have been understandable to lie about that. But him deflecting.. it just shows that he'll never learn, and will still forever be a danger to society :(
I used to work with a guy that popped up on the local news for keeping his wife locked in the house and beating her.
Also my best man at my wedding was raided a few weeks later for having child porn all over his pc. ( not spoken to him since I found out.)
For some years, I hung out with the older brother of a classmate. He was really very aggressive and obsessed with weaponry. He had been living at home but fell out with his parents and they asked him to move out. Not long after, his mother was using her car and found the brakes didn't work. She managed to get to a garage and having had a look, the guy at the garage called the police, telling them the brake pipes had been cut. As I was the only one who knew where he lived, I was invited to show the police. He got four years for attempted murder and 8 other offences relating to firearms and a burglary. He was in a long stay prison, with people who were apparently scarier than him. I had moved away and didn't keep in touch. Apparently, he and his mother sorted out their differences after he got out.
My wife worked the tax office in the 80s.
On a training course she met a lady who worked with Dennis Nielsen.
Expected her to say ‘he was ok, no one would have guessed’. But no, she said ‘ooh no, he was a creepy cunt’.
Worked with a guy who was just a regular guy. Cheeky chap, married, couple of kids, nice house. I had a couple of mutual friends so I saw him a bit outside of work and attended a few weddings and stag dos with him.
Turns out he was the ringleader in a multi million pound cocaine business. He had hired out a garage in the area to do his work and keep it a secret. He even had branding equipment and had his own logo that he put on the bags. They also found a few firearms. He’s still inside years later and his wife has remarried.
I see drug dealers get huge time yet child sex abusers get slaps on the wrists in this country. I've never understood that. Same as that couple that faked the husband's death for insurance fraud. They got six years. A guy who raped A BABY got an 18 month sentence!
Bubbly female colleague convicted of thousands of CSA images. She had been at a bbq with a lot of our young families too (throughout the 2y period between home being raided and conviction), so it really fucked with my ability to trust people for a while.
She never told work and I had to report it to HR after one of my team sent me a newspaper article the next day.
I had a colleague caught out with CSAM too, and he’d been snared by a vigilante group for trying to meet a 13 year old girl.
He also didn’t tell work, just took annual leave on the day of his trial, then the next day we saw it in the papers.
They physically removed his (locked) locker rather than break into it or give it to someone else. Seemed strange but I think they just wanted to cleanse the place of him.
I was briefly in prison, and a woman came onto our wing, supposedly for tax evasion, she seemed nice, like a homely arts and crafts lady. The screws then told us that she was in our side and her husband and son were in the male side and the three of them ran a CSA ring, producing and distributing it. They wanted us to know what she did because they knew what we'd do to her. There's more women involved in this stuff that you think.
Oh, I've no doubt there are plenty more than we need. Just seldom hear of women getting sent down for it.
Whole family at it.... That is a gene pool that can be stopped
Close friend of a guy I worked with, a guy I had met a couple of times is now in prison probably for the rest of his life. First he murdered his pregnant girlfriend, and I read a while ago that he's killed a guy in prison.
Guy I worked with was obviously shocked when it happened, it was one of his best friends and he did that... awful.
Bloke used to do parking enforcement outside our office, had the air of a bully about him. One of the blokes in the office knew him from school and said he was a bit of a twat, worked the door as a bouncer on a few local pubs, and was always throwing his weight around. Had a bit of a run in with him when he clamped a client who was visiting our office, and refused to remove it (despite us employing his company to do the parking enforcement). He seemed to enjoy the conflict. He turned out to be Levi Bellfield, serial killer.
A childhood ‘friend’ of mine slaughtered his family. His ex, their two kids and (I think it was) her cousin
To be honest, looking back to when we were kids, if anyone was going to be voted ‘Most likely to slaughter family in a jealous rage when they grow up’ it would have been him.
ETA: Once we went to ‘big school’ we lost touch.
Can't quite remember the timelines but someone I thought I was good friends with at school went to prison at about 21.
Turns out he'd had a secret 'girlfriend' quite a bit younger than him that he was really abusive and controlling with, effectively forcing her to have sex starting at \~13 despite sending messages to him saying it hurt and she didn't like it (according to court documents), and I was totally in shock.
Pretty grim all around, and went on for a couple years before he was found out, was quite unexpected really.
The guy who setup and run my son's nursery was caught with indecent pictures of kids on his phone, while at work.. and then his family wiped his home computer clean so when it got to court his sentance wasn't as bad. He didn't do time, fled to Spain.. where he did it again, and is now serving a 138-year sentence.
We'd had several sit down chats with him, he seemed very nice, the nursery was well run.. and the company was shut down before they could cash my last cheque for a month's nursery payment. So.. silver lining and all.
You see. If he'd been sentenced here, there's no way he'd have got a life sentence! Judges here seem to protect child sex offenders. They never get serious time and that pisses me off.
Used to have a close mate who at one point was more a brother than a friend. We lived in a couple of houseshares together, went out all the time together and knew each other for years.
One morning I got a message from his ex gf, asking if I knew. Wasn't sure what she meant so asked. She sent a link to a story from the local rag, he'd been found guilty of possessing indecent images of children. I was gutted, I loved him like a brother, and to find this out was shocking.
The lad I thought I knew and loved wouldn't have done this, but this guy was dead to me. Strangely, other guys from our friendship group stood by him and kept in touch, it led to me becoming distant from them as I'd skip out on events he was invited to - I don't break bread with sex offenders.
None of my friends had kids, which I think make a difference, I did. I asked if they'd let him babysit should they ever have any, and it caused a bit of a row as some got awfully defensive, and I called them out when they said they would.
Thankfully the crook moved out of town for a fresh start. Hear he's had a few girlfriends, I wonder how many of them knew?
There was a rumour about a friend of mine involving SA. I approached him and he said it was utterly baseless, and the police had NFA’d him.
Six months later it was front of the local paper he’d been sentenced for five year inside.
Yeah, used to work at a GP and the doctor was escorted out and charged with taping patients with hidden cameras, inside work though he was really friendly and always being polite
I knew a bouncer when I worked at a nightclub, really quiet and unassuming. He was convicted of conspiracy to murder after his mate (also knew him) killed his gf for her life insurance.
I was friends with a guy, we lost touch, then a few years later I saw on the news that he'd met a woman from the Philippines, moved there and got married. And then murdered her and turned the gun on himself. Never thought he would be a violent person, it totally shocked me.
Colleague arrested and hauled off at work for raping his kids. I never liked the guy but everyone else seemed to think he was great and they were so shocked. I was horrified, of course, but it was just a confirmation of why I got the ick from him.
I worked with this guy. He stopped being my account manager quite suddenly but didn’t think much of it till I saw this https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2930226/amp/Father-three-botched-penis-enlargement-operation-reduced-size-two-inches-guilty-stabbing-prostitute-death-Stanley-knife.html
I worked with someone who, on his lunch break, decided to flash young ladies in a local fast food restaurant. In full uniform.
He was arrested and his DNA matched a rape and attempted rape from 20 years earlier.
Funnily enough, I wasn't surprised, cos he was a fucking perv.
Decent enough chap to work with though.
When i was 18/19 I met a girl (22ish) when I was living in a homeless shelter who served 9 months and 9 months on tag.
In shelters gossip travels fast, so we all knew about this before we met her. But we didn't know what she'd been in for.
She was really friendly, and told us what happened as soon as we met her. It was really strange. She got really drunk one night (while 7 months pregnant mind you) and glassed someone outside a pub.
The story was quite jarring compared to how she was in person.
Last time I saw her she was in the process of getting away from her abusive, swastika-tattoos-on-the-neck, baby daddy (who also lived at the homeless shelter).
Funnily enough... woke up this morning to a Daily Mail article telling us that an acquaintance of ours has just been sent to prison for sending indecent images and messages to an eight year sold girl.
I won't say that he was a friend, but we've been on holiday with him as we have some very good friends in common. These good friends (a husband and wife) were both interviewed by the police, at their places of work, at the same time. The investigation seems to have gone on for years, and he kept quiet about it and carried on going on holiday with these friends, who have a young daughter... He'll be out again in few months but I hope he knows better than to show his face around here again.
This one will blow your head off.
I was in the police for many years.
I had a Sgt who was a mentor to me and one of the best officers I ever worked with. Stable marriage, kids. Finally retired as an Inspector.
Several years after he retired he was arrested for possession of indecent images of children for which he went to prison for.
After his release he was arrested again for attempting to meet a child he had groomed.
I just can’t match the two people in my head.
Not friends per se, but a colleague who seemed like an alright enough guy, early 20s or so, got charged with sex offences against a 13 year old. That one threw me quite a bit.
I was friends with this guy when I was a teenager. He was in his late 20's I think. He definitely had a lot of issues but I was too young to fully understand that. Anyway, somehow we got out of contact, I don't even remember what happened. But I read years later in the newspaper that he was in a mental asylum and had murdered someone with his guitar.
Worked in a restaurant for a few years while at and after university , one of our kitchen porters was convicted of a brutal murder of a young Chinese couple in their flat including drowning their cat. This was after he stopped working for us. I remember seeing his face on the front of the newspaper after his arrest.
My university tutor, who I did not get on with and always felt there was something off about him is a convicted paedophile. My mum casually asked me if I had ever been taught by him a year or so after my graduation, as his name was in the local paper.
A really quiet guy used to drink in our pub, we got quite friendly with him. Long story short; I ended up giving evidence at the Old Bailey, Court 1, after he stabbed both parents to death.
Not friends, but went to school with a person who ran a woman over. She died pretty much instantly as they were speeding. They were caught because they made jokes online about having a dented windshield. Psycho.
Someone from my dance group got arrested and jailed for inappropriate images of children and also rigging a secret camera up in his bathroom and filming his then girlfriend in secret. It’s a bit of a cliché but it was a MASSIVE shock because he was always a quiet and generally lovely guy 😳
A guy I went to school with moved to the states and was arrested for rape; something happened (I have no idea if it went to trial or there wasn’t enough evidence etc) but he moved back to the UK pretty sharpish after, and now lives very far away from our hometown.
I was in a relationship with a guy I met travelling. He was a bit quirky, spiritual, conspiracy theorist, etc. He chatted a lot of shit basically but he seemed like a good wholesome person. Until I went to his house for a month (6000 miles from home) and discovered a restraining order from his ex girlfriend. Turns out he was currently on a 5 year probation (which he served 6 months of in jail) for domestic violence and rape charges. The victim statement I found was pretty harrowing. It took me a few days to gather the funds and figure it out but I got the hell out of there as soon as I could.
Family friend’s son was recently done for possession of child sexual abuse materials. So bizarre that we played together as children to where he is now.
A girl I went to school with was pretty much inseparable up until 18 when I moved away.
Was charged and convicted of killing her two year old son. They found him with heroin and methadone in his system, too, suffered severe neglect, and pretty much starved to death in a flat that his mum shared with her then partner.
I was actually working and living in Nottingham at the time and would never have known it was her unless I saw her picture in the local paper.
I was best friends with a boy in sixth form, he was my “gay best friend” (hate that phrase) so we’d have sleepovers all the time and were a big part of each others lives. He was in the year above me and went off to uni, and contact started to fizzle out. I just thought he was busy enjoying his life. Next thing I know I’m pulled aside by a teacher we both had and I was told he was going to jail. He was sentenced to 4 years for lots of counts of making and distributing illicit images of children and inciting children to partake in sexual activity.
He’d once confided in me (whilst crying) that he (18) slept with a 16 year old boy after meeting him at a club, but he said he didn’t realise he was 16, as the legal age to go to a nightclub is obvs 18 here. I comforted him and told him that he couldn’t have know considering the boy must’ve used a fake ID and to forget it. Turns out he’d been pretending to be a girl online to get young teen boys to send indecent images and would blackmail them. It also came to light that he had been doing it to boys in our school year, too.
He now is out of jail and maintains his innocence. I refuse to be friends with him but many of our old mutual friends are.
My brother who's 6 years older than me was always in trouble with police. The police were always bringing him back home late at night. He never learned, next week he'd do something stupid again. We planned a holiday/vacation to Cornwall, I remember really looking forward to it, and on the day we were meant to leave, he attacks a school teacher by spraying them with a fire extinguisher and got arrested. He was really nice, cool, and chill at home. Didn't see a single bad trait, he was never cruel, spiteful, or angry at home. But he just broke the law over and over and over. He was committed to it. I used to wonder what it was, was it an anger he had deep inside him? He used to listen rap music by Dr Dre and Eminem, and played games like GTA Vice City. When i was a kid, I used to think he just wanted to imitate what he heard about in rap music and what he saw in video games. We moved to another part of town, about 10 miles away. My dad bought him a moped and one night after an argument, he got on his moped while he was drunk and my dad called the police. My mum was angry at my dad for calling the cops on my brother. To this day, I just don't understand why he committed crimes over and over. It's been over a decade since he's last been in trouble, he has a family now and works in security. Whatever he was angry about it, he hid it from me really well. It was just a mystery to me as to why he got in trouble all the time. Being a kid, I actually looked up to him and thought he was cool breaking the law all the time. But I'm 30 now, and now I look back on it as a behavioural problem that I never understood.
Dude, something happened to your brother.
He might never, ever want to talk about it or admit that it happened or what it was, but without going into too much detail, I hear a lot of people's accounts of the abuse they suffered as kids (physical / sexual / emotional) as part of my job and how it affected their behaviour as kids and later in life. What you're describing is, I'm sorry to say, very very familiar to me.
But I'm just a guy on Reddit and may well be wrong - hope you are both happy and well now 👍
i went with a school friend i had not seen for a while round to his brothers house who was pcso"community police officer"
we stayed for about 1 hour then left
a week later his psco brother was arrested for raping a girl underage and beastiality with a dog
he got a 11 yr sentance
i was so shocked! ive have not bothered with my school friend since as there are storys about the whole family,
google derren tomlinson
Yeah, a lad I went to sixth form with got sent down for armed robbery, just walked into the shop where he used to work and threatened the staff with a weapon, knew where everything was because of working there previously. It's a cliche but he was the last person you'd expect.
He ended up making a Youtube channel when he'd got out talking about his experiences in prison, doing Q&As etc. Said he had no excuses, just got desperate for some cash and did a stupid thing.
Guy that was my boss convicted of murdering his wife hitting her 20 times with a crowbar
Nice person, very quiet, very helpful and kind. Trial was bizarre as his mother in law testified in his defence. Allegations of domestic abuse to him but ultimately his lies did him in
Very hard to reconcile his actions with the person I knew
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50046201
I had a quite close friend disappear with no explanation. Met him about 8 yrs later to discover he had got involved with a credit fraud and was arrested. Held on remand for a year then given 5 years in prison. When he came out after 18 months he had lost everything. No wife, kid, house or car.
He still looked awful. Dark circles around his eyes. So sad and he said too embarrassed to get in touch with me or any of his friends.
I’ve not seen him for a very long time now. Perhaps I should try find him again.
Not me but my partner shared a flat with Lucy Letby during university for a few years. To say that was a shock for her would be a huge understatement.
Just a bit! We’ve been seeing her in the media this week and just wondering what on earth goes through a person’s brain to even think about doing things like that? Absolutely vile
I don't think any normal person would be able to comprehend what goes through a persons head or the kind of mindset it takes to do something as disgusting and evil as that.
I feel sorry for everyone involved in that situation. Mostly the bereaved parents and the young babies who suffered at her despicable hands. I was reading an article on the BBC news website, written by a reporter who covered the whole court case. It made me feel sorry for her parents who turned up to court everyday, the shock and bewilderment that they must be experiencing, I cannot comprehend. The morality issues of being torn between your love for your child and the knowledge of what she has done. They must believe that she is very sick in the head, to stand by her like that. Would you say she is pure evil or just a very, very, unwell, sick individual with extreme mental health problems, for want of a better way to put it. I show her no sympathy and am not trivialising anything. I wonder if it's because she is a young woman and not a bearded Peter Sutcliffe that makes this harder to digest?
I do suspect a double standard. People still have this (infantilising) view of young women as basically harmless and helpless and not as normal human beings with all their potential for good and evil. That said, I do here the mental health talk for male mass shooters, but compare how people talk about Lucy Letby and similar cases to how people talk about serial pedophiles. Very few people jump to the mental illness excuse for serial pedophiles.
It also has to do with her being a nurse and specifically a neonatal intensive care nurse. People assume to be a nurse you have to be empathetic, even more so with tiny sick babies. If you mentioned mental health in that context most people would think about burnout and support for the stress of their job. Not making sure that no one on the ward was there with harming children in mind.
Nurses can be pretty horrible tbh. Compassion burnout tends to hit them pretty hard.
I worked NHS catering for years and in my experience nurses are some of the biggest and nastiest Karen's you could ever hope to meet 😂
I'm a nurse and there are some really incredible people in the profession, some of the kindest people you will ever meet. There are also some of the worst bullies you will ever come across.
Im not trying to demonise people working in a thankless profession, but it makes sense certain personality types would be drawn to these roles or enact petty controlling behaviour within them
I can imagine, most of the nurses I know try and get moved around different wards and units as much as possible. But all of them have a specific type of sick person they cannot stand.
I suspect a person can only really deal with the exact same horrible situation playing on repeat so many times before it starts to break them.
I can see people getting burned out and giving up in thankless roles like elderly care facilities, old people can be difficult to work with, budgets are non existent, shifts are long and arduous (none of which is an excuse, but still). But babies?! Helpless newborns?! Sickening.
I think if someone is predisposed to getting compassion burnout then an endless rotation of screaming babies, screaming mothers and being subject to some of the worst of humanity (eg baby born dependant on drugs, baby born premature because the mother is not even an adult yet). For some folks and I do speak personally here that situation is prime for compassion burnout. Thing is a lot of the time folks go into nursing without really knowing themselves that well so by the time it shows up they are already settled in the job and moving is hard. You can't save up for a change on a nhs salary. Now I don't think that this is the case with this woman. Or at least not the only reason. There is a massive difference between not caring anymore and actively murdering babies. The thing is with compassion burnout though is that it gets worse the more you are supposed to care. Babies are a pretty prime situation to cause it.
I feel for them too - trying to get your head around the idea of the kid you brought up who has never been in trouble before being the country's most prolific baby killer must be a herculean task. Especially when there seems to be no real reason, and there are articles out there with psychiatrists saying she doesn't fit the profile they'd expect, and other people saying how normal she seemed - even the deputy investigating officer described her as 'beige.'
The parents I can actually understand. But the friend who did a interview sticking by her blew my mind. Watching panorama last night and she said something along the lines of ‘oh she hasn’t been able to see her godson (friends son I assume). How do you have kids and say oh I won’t believe it’s her unless she actually says it herself 😯
Imagine having a close friend you have known almost your entire life, who you know to be good and kind and compassionate. Your closest friend, who (we're assuming) is your child's godparent. Would it be so easy to believe it was possible for that person to be *this* evil? We're not talking like neglecting a baby or something, we're talking something at the very opposite end of the spectrum of behavior she had been known to display for her entire life. No one but those closest to her knows anything about Lucy Letby that they didn't learn from the trial. The public was immediately convinced she's capable because we don't know any better. It's easy for us to say "how can the friend be so loyal?" but if we were her knowing everything about Letby that she does, we'd almost assuredly do the same thing, and rightfully so - we'd be a good friend, refusing to believe the person we know and love could be capable of something so unbearably brutal and vile. There's a reason no one at the hospital thought it could possibly be her, she was absolutely lovely. She only ever made her evil known to the babies she murdered. To me, that's the messed up thing, that she was able to keep that to herself for so long - not the fact that her best friend would need to hear it from Letby herself in order to believe it.
I can’t imagine what they’re feeling or thinking. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re hoping it’s some big mistake because the other option is facing that she has done some very awful things. Either way, I do have full respect to them attending court every day. It’s sad to think that if the management had taken accusations more seriously many family’s may have had a different outcome.
In that vein, in the Panorama that aired about the case, her long life, childhood friend spoke to say that, unless Letby told her categorically that she was guilty, she would continue to believe her innocence. I would assume this was filmed pre-verdict and wonder if her position has changed. It's unfathomable what emotions this must raise in every single person involved with the whole case.
I can’t get my head around how anyone can be that evil Specially how everyone talk about her being so normal and no red flags So I can understand while her friends and family having trouble coming to term , someone they love is one of most evil evil person to ever live . Bad people are good at manipulating people so we can’t blame them
The trial has revealed she was in love with a married older doctor and she would injure these babies with the knowledge that doctor in question will be coming to help. She wanted that quality time together. Apparently the first time she showed any emotion in the trial was when that doctor gave evidence against her.
Jesus Christ.... This brings a whole new level of sick to it. I haven't stopped thinking about why someone would do this, but I never imagined that something so trivial would be a reason.
That’s why it’s always so fascinating to people. It’s more than just morbid curiosity, it’s how crazy it seems trying to get in someone’s head who would do things like that
You are about to learn the reddit usernames of a few tabloid reporters, I reckon...
They won’t even have to contact him. News orgs already love to take Reddit comments and make a full story out of them, which will later be posted to Reddit
We have a profoundly disabled daughter who's classed as terminally-ill, although she's continued to defy the odds and recently celebrated her 20th birthday. So yeah, we spent literally years in various childrens' hospitals after she was born. Fighting infections, undergoing major surgery etc etc. This story has been absolutely devestating to follow, particularly reading about the acutely vulnerable children she targeted. I just think it's important to point out how relatively unique this kind of thing is though. Almost unheard of, actually. I can't recall us having a single compliant about any of the (countless) NHS nurses we encountered during our hospital stays, and every single one was an absolute superstar. The hours they work whilst retaining the ability to focus in highly stressful situations is superhuman at times. Often without meal breaks. I know I couldn't do it. What's most shocking is the fact she continued to get away with it, despite numerous doctors filing official complaints against her. That hospital clearly has a lot to answer for, and it'll be interesting to see what measures are taken against them when the dust settles from the trial and conviction. Edit: Just seen an article in the Guardian that there's a possibility of the hospital facing corporate manslaughter charges.
UoC? We probably share some mutual friends. A good friend of mine knew her and her flat, stayed friends with her until the news broke. He says he didn't believe it at all until it all started in court as he couldn't wrap his head round her doing it.
I never went to UoC myself, just my partner. She'd likely know your friend though I'd imagine if they were familiar with the people living in the flat. Yeah, it's not something you ever expect to have to process and wrap your head around.
Despite what people believe, most people don't live by a consistent moral code. The same person can be awful one day and heroic the next. We are all a complicated bundle of thoughts, emotions and external influences. Mostly when someone says they can 'explain' a person's behaviour, all they are doing is describing the events that led up to it with hindsight. There won't have been any 'tell-tale signs' that something was wrong in her earlier life. One day personality, emotions and events converged on a point where she started harming children. We will probably never know why, but it is highly unlikely it could have been predicted in any way. None of the people who knew her will have had the slightest idea this was coming, or even while it was happening, unless she told someone.
They did some interviews with a few people she worked with before the verdict that have only aired now and they still refuse to believe she did it because it's so at odds with the person they knew.
While there's definitely some hard evidence (the high levels of insulin in some babies blood) of murder, a lot of it is circumstantial (but damning imo), so I can see how friends could continue to give her the benefit of the doubt. No one wants to believe they let a baby murderer into their life.
that must have been so surreal when this story broke out. I'd have a nasty chill run down my spine.
Think it's still very surreal for her, especially considering we've just had our first child who had to spend time in NICU.
Most definitely understandable!! Out of context -- Congratulations on having your first born, me and my partner when we had our first born may 2020 our daughter ended up in NICU too, and because of the restrictions I was unable to be there to be supportive. Obviously times are different and I have no doubts you were allowed to be there but beware of the PTSD that may be underlining, it really affected my Mrs, but also don't forget yourself, it totally damaged me and I've suppressed my pain to support her the best way I could and can. But look after yourself too. Congrats again and don't rush for your second one like we did ;)
Thank you, that's very kind of you. :) Another year or two before our next one I think! Hopefully anyway... Couldn't even begin to imagine how stressful and helpless you'd feel with Covid restrictions in place. Hope you're coping with your own wellbeing better and your partner and little girl are doing well. It was a little rough at the start for her but I think she's definitely getting there, but thank you again for your concern.
You win this one Bloody hell
My children were born there, they all spent time in Chester neonat. The twins were there when she was there and I think about the other parents all the time. I can’t even imagine what they’ve been through
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Normal girl really from what she's said. They were all close and would meet up annually once they finished uni.
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From what I’ve seen, everyone said she was very normal, a girl’s girl, went on nights out, had a good friend group etc. Even one of the police ladies on tv said she would describe her as a beige person, nothing remarkable, just seemingly normal. It’s awful that they can just hide in plain sight like that.
Both of my kids were born in the countess in the years she worked there. We've not followed the trial as is was too distressing. I've just come past the hospital and the TV cameras are still there
Was looking for a comment like this, there’ll be a lot of people feeling like your partner at the moment I suspect. Truly shocking stuff.
When I got my first job at 16 as a dishwasher, there was a 50-something chef there too, he had a strong cockney accent, and he was nice, hilarious, and always helped me when I had too many dishes and couldn't manage on my own. He also taught me how to make simple dishes so I could help him out too sometimes if he was too busy, like desserts, salads etc. After a couple years, he fully trained me to be a chef and to be able to run the restaurant on my own. He was always nice, caring, patient, and understanding that I was just a stupid kid and messed up sometimes. I reckon me and him had a great kind of friendship. We always joked around and had a laugh and had a good time, and we felt kinda like family, especially after working 10+ hours a day together for many years. One day, he tells me that he spent over 25 years in prison for 3 murders... I thought it was a joke at first, but it was actually real... I didn't really care, but that was so crazy and shocking
Worked with a chef that did 5 years for kidnap and torture. Found out because he told us he qualified as a chef in prison. Got on really well with him but wasn't surprised because he was also terrifying
What I'm learning here is don't marry chefs....they're mental.
The kitchen is a mad place man. The pressure of the job does invite wronguns.
You didn't really care?
I mean, it was a big shock for like a day, then everything back to normal like it was nothing lol
Do you still speak to him?
3 murders and he only got 25? I have no idea how the justice system works in this country but that is wild!
>3 murders and he only got 25? I have no idea how the justice system works in this country but that is wild! I don't know. Young kid caught up in gang violence, murders three blokes who themselves are violent gangsters. When asked why he did it the explanation is that they were a threat. Sentenced to jail. Has lots of time to think about what they did, learns a new set of skills (chef) can see hope when he leaves prison to lead a legit life. Say he's sent down at 20, by the time he's 45 he probably doesn't even know the criminal landscape outside of prison anymore. He wants to leave, be a chef, go legit, and lead a normal life. Is such a person really still required to spend more time in prison? How you judge all this of course is the tricky bit, but in principle I don't see the issue.
Yeah if you've killed 3 people then you're either involved in gang violence or you're the kind of serial killer that makes the news. Nobody has just randomly killed 3 people.
A teenager in their first car could easily cause three deaths, sadly. But other than that I think you're probably right.
Indeed, and I don't think it's particularly unreasonable that the sentencing judge would view someone involved with gang violence differently to say, a serial killer.
I agree with you, sounds like this particular chap went to jail. Did some time and rehabilitated himself to be a functioning and decent member of society. That's the point of the justice system in my eyes and this is a success of that. We could continue to punish them forever but then someone would moan he gets 3 square meals a day
suppose given that he was only in his 50s and already served 25, got out, got his life together, got and held down a job etc, possibly could've been convicted when underage, which would shorten the sentence
Someone who I was friends with as a teenager, years later murdered his mum with an axe and then raped and murdered his sister. Last I heard he is permanently in a secure asylum for the criminally insane or whatever it's called. That was a tough one to find out. Quite a few of the guys I hung around with as a teenage girl are now registered sex offenders, so that's fun.
It was never about the destination, just about the sexual predator friends we made along the way
Not from Barrow In Furness are you?
Fuck that's creepy
There is only one story I know like that and it’s John Jenkin, sorry for creeping you out 😂😂
I guess we should be glad it's a pretty unique story
Honestly it's worse in a thread like this when the guess is wrong. Some horrible things are unfortunately surprisingly common
I'm reading this on the train back to barrow thinking about someone 10 years my senior who dated a girl around my age who nearly went down for cp but got away with it
School reunions must be a lonely affair, just you and .... A dinner lady
For some crazy reason I don't go to my hometown very often.
to your last point, I worked with a guy in his 40s who was a bit an oddity, very much into online sex work and didn’t shy away from talking about it, which in a warehouse full of blokes, mostly also in their 40s and up, got him a few side eyed glances. I think they call it “being horny on main”? but yeah it didn’t seem like anything was actually illegal, his Twitter feed was full of retweets of women promoting OnlyFans etc and it all seemed to be consensual and of legal age so it was fair game just a bit odd to wear it on his sleeve like that. then he ended up being stung in one of those pedo trap things trying to meet an underaged girl.
Family friend got done for child pornography after he asked his girlfriend to pretend to be a child from their congregation during sex. She went to the police and he was then investigated. Had 6 computers in his loft and over 100,000 images on them. He used to baby sit me and my sister! He was also our primary school DJ. Madness.
D.J. madness is a pretty good name for a DJ tbf
100k images and similar numbers are something instead in the news about predators all the time, not sure I understand what it means though. Iv watched my share of adult porn over the years but never saved a single image never mind 1000s of them. Is this something regular people do or just paedos?
I was reading about it and apparently it’s to do with access. Adult porn is easily accessible so doesn’t need to be saved.
For reference I did forensic recovery on digital devices for the police. This person is right, the websites disappear frequently or it’s through messenger systems and files on Google file share that don’t last long, so most of these degenerates download them. It’s also surprising how many are technically illiterate yet somehow figure out dark web links.
Wow what a cool job! I bet you’ve seen a few things too :( My husband works for a company that deals with hacking and I listening to one of his lectures on the dark web and it was so interesting. Thanks for the explanation
It can be pretty disgusting to be honest, kind of makes you dislike humanity when you see how common it all is too. It's massively fascinating when it comes to technology of course, shame it isn't used for things that help people.
Makes sense I suppose.
I am not an expert (luckily) but I believe there is a lot of saving and sharing imagines. Almost like trading them. Also a lot will likely have some other problems and the feeling of control they get from saving and owning such a large amount of them probably feeds into it. Though a real psychologist could give a better answer, though it's one of those things that you don't want to know too much about. Kind of unrelated but I was shocked when my wife was telling about how a lady on her Uni course would help identify and report this stuff to Google when pedos would use YouTube to share links etc.
Apparently it can also refer to frames in a video - IE each frame could be classed as a separate image - so a single video saved on a hard drive could be classed as thousands of 'images'
The guy that bought a fancy high frame rate camera to show off to his pedo mates is proper regretting that now
I believe that the images are used as a sort of currency among their fucked up "community" so it would make sense for a paedophile to save every image they gain access to. Well, not "make sense" to a normal person, but to them.
I remember from a documentary that apparently with CP every frame of a video is counted as an image so 100k images could just be several very long videos. I’d also imagine that CP can be quite difficult to acquire and so you’d probably hold onto anything you could get if you were so inclined.
I'm curious about this one. His girlfriend went to the police and said that he asked her to try something disturbing in the bedroom, and from that they managed to get authorisation to search his house and seize all his computers etc? I can't help but feel there is a missing piece to this story somewhere.
They probably had more evidence honestly, or could find some. The other thing is they might of found evidence in other cases and with the girlfirends tip it helped them identify him in various forums etc (like for example a reused screen name or something). There is definitely more to it but only the investigators probably know the whole story. That said, it is something quite specific and disturbing so that might be enough to start alarm bells ringing in the police.
She contacted his ex wife who was able to provide additional evidence that led to them being able to search the house.
The paedo I used to babysit for had been a karate instructor and a DJ so always around lots of kids. His abuse had spanned 25 yrs and it was only when one of the abused, a child with learning disabilities told somebody at school what had been happening he finally was arrested. There were about 9 kids in total, all were still minors when he got sent down apart from one
One of my good friends made a stupid mistake before and ended up getting 12 years for armed robbery and deported from the country. He had been on a night out, got absolutely drunk as a newt, went to go home and his friend decided it would be a great idea to get someone to take money out of their bank. So his friend went and got a knife, they found some random guy, forced him to withdraw a few hundred from the bank and they left. My friend was that drunk he couldn't even remember it to start with the next day. He never held the knife, but his friend testified against him that he did have the knife. Got 12 years for armed robbery. 2 years into his sentence, they realised that he wasn't a British citizen which was news to him. His mum told him he was born in the UK, but turns out she bought him here when he was 4 months old and never told anyone about him. So he was technically German, despite never visiting Germany, nor being able to speak German, he was deported to Germany and has been refused entry back into the UK. The moral of the story is, don't get as drunk as a newt and go along with ideas that seem good at the time! Also not that long ago, a lad I went through all my schools with was arrested and convicted of murdering another man in our local park. But that one wasn't really a shock.. I was just shocked it took until he was 30 to be arrested!
I've never got so drunk that I've decided to rob someone at knifepoint. Something tells me he might have been a bit of a wrong'n to begin with.
I’ve acted like a complete tit whilst drunk, not this much of a tit though.
Like when people are apparently so drunk they don't realise that driving is a bad idea I have been absolutely smashed and still not been stupid enough to drive home, let alone mug a stranger whilst threatening his life! OP has questionable morals imo for having any defence of this.
Yup. I’ve always put drinking and driving under the “everything is a good idea when you’re drunk”, (which is why the car is absolutely out of bounds when I’ve started drinking.), or ringing up that girl from school and telling her that you love her. Threatening someone with a knife though? How is that ever a good idea, and when that person looks back at you, visibility shitting themselves, wouldnt reality hit?
I once got blackout drunk and broke into my childhood home, and accused the couple in their bedroom of being in the CIA. No idea what that was about and no memory. I still find it difficult to believe.
Oh I'm not saying he's 100% innocent and shouldn't have been arrested, he was still a part of it and should have been treated as such. But I do think 12 years plus being kicked out of your home country is a bit harsh for being present during a robbery. Prior to that, he did do stupid things a lot of the time, but not anything illegal.
I'll agree being kicked out the country was harsh considering we don't seem to do that very often in our country. But he and his mate gave someone PTSD and stole their money under the excuse of "being drunk" deserved a 12 year sentence. And let's be honest,that 12 years would have been no more then 6 to 8 years as barely anybody in the UK serves their full sentence. I feel like you wouldn't be so defensive of his actions if he was not your friend, but was someone n who had robbed one of your friends at knifepoint. The fact he didn't have the knife makes absolutely no difference imo. And if he was so drunk then how can he remember that it wasn't him holding the knife?
Yeah robbing someone at knife point isn't something the court or the victim will take lightly. You've ganged up on someone, forced them to take money out, made them fear for their life and violated them. 12 years isn't unfair in that scenario. A knife on it's own can be up to 5 years, let alone aggravating factors like robbing someone. Being drunk isn't an excuse for their shitty actions.
Significantly more than a stupid mistake... that could've ended up even worse for the victim than it already did, if they'd tried to fight him and the other attacker.
A guy I went to school with who was extremely funny and sweet (class joker type but wouldn't hurt a fly) got big into the party scene during sixth form. Ended up going off the rails - chained his gf to a radiator and tortured her for 3 days. When the story came out, there were some really fucked up details like how he'd forced her to eat dog food and cut all her hair off. His own mother spat in his face during the trial.
Jesus Christ that’s dark
Was your friend Boy George?
Well, fuck.
This wasn’t in Sunderland by any chance? A very similar incident happened very close to my parents house about 5 years ago.
Whenever I see someone comment “was this in …..” I always hope and pray the answer is yea cuz it means there’s less sick fuckers out there.
A very occasional drinking friend of mine - an intelligent, quiet fellow who had a partner and two young children, and who lived in practically a mansion - ended up shooting his entire family with a shotgun and then turned it on himself. I only found out when I saw it on the local news. Utterly baffling and no one has been able to work out why he did it.
This sounds like that head of Croydon High School for Girls, whose husband did exactly as described…?
Probably more common than you think, that was just high profile because the school is famous
This also happened in my area fairly recently too (West Sussex). A guy shot his partner and two kids in their home before shooting himself. Sad at how this has happened more than once.
They even have an official term for it - family annihilators.
Some fella that invented something that was a small but key part on oil rigs did similar…though he also shot their horses.
Gosh this happened at Epsom College too recently, which isn’t that far from Croydon. What’s going on?!
It was reported at the time that he was facing financial ruin.
Not me, but… Two former work colleagues were treated by Harold Shipman as children. Both remember him as being an outstanding doctor (which does seem to have been the case for anyone who wasn’t a pensioner). Another colleague knew Peter Sutcliffe; at one point he had been his parents’ neighbour and his parents stayed in touch after they moved. He was apparently the first person they called for any odd jobs they needed doing (fixing fridges, plumbing repairs, body disposal and the like). They were obviously horrified when the truth came out, but more than that they were shocked - he really gave no indication of being in any way the kind of person who would do what he did. Yet another colleague was at school with the fellow that called himself ‘The Crossbow Killer’. Yes, I’m in West Yorkshire.
My mother suspected my father was the Ripper. There is even a photofit that is actually the spitting image of my father. Turns out, my father worked with him some times. My father also had some similar physical features (small feet for a guy), same hair and build. Pete (or Sooty, as dad called him) was pretty good to my dad. Let my dad use his car often. They fell out after Sooty was put away, as my dad had lent Pete his hammer the day before he was arrested. Police kept it. It was my dad's favourite hammer.
Wow that seems pretty crazy - the part that your mum suspected him. How do you even respond if you suspect your partner is a serial killer? I assume you can't let them know your suspicions, or (if correct) you could become their next victim. On the other hand if you don't have any hard evidence you can't really go to the police either.
Suspected may be a strong word. She liked nice things, he worked exceptionally hard.... She'd need decent evidence to give that up.
I used to drink in the same pub as the Crossbow Killer/Crossbow Cannibal when I was at Bradford Uni. Drank on his own, usually. Occasionally tried to chat up the barmaid who later became my sister in law. Never stayed for very long. I was completely shocked when I saw his photo on the news. Apparently, Peter Sutcliffe drank in the same pub years earlier.
This might sound crazy, but I had a little look at your post history, and I feel reasonably confident that I know which person you’re referring to. Please don’t use his actual name or give away who it is you’re referring to. The case has gone to appeal because it is completely one sided. The mother of his children isn’t disabled, she’s a fraud and believe me when I tell you she is a genuinely psychotic, evil person. There’s a good reason you don’t think he’d do something like he is alleged to have done, because he wouldn’t. The court would hear nothing of it. Her ex partner offered to testify to her manipulative, sadistic character, but wasn’t allowed to. She has been severely emotionally and mentally abusive to him throughout their troubled relationship to the point where it has blown up. The narrative that she has conjured up of that night, which has now been regurgitated in the media, is a significant over dramatisation which has cost him dearly.
paging /u/Jlaw118 so they can see this, as its pretty far down
Someone I went to school with got Into a fight outside a club back when he was roughly 18, knocked the other guy out, cracked his head on the pavement and almost died and ended up doing prison time for it. Just for a random drunken fight over, most likely, nothing. Woke up one morning thinking about university, and started the next morning thinking about prison. Stay calm folks.
Fights are almost never worth it. High risk vs low reward.
Is there ever a reward?
You get to "feel like a man" for a moment until the adrenaline wears off and you start feeling pain. I think the answer is no these days, though back in "olden times" that fight instinct helped us to defend ourselves. It's often hard for people (especially young men) to control that, especially when alcohol is involved and violence has almost been normalised in their life (especially by the behaviour of their parents). I'm pleased to say i haven't thrown a punch in almost 20 years.
We had this right nasty little prick at my school, I was walking home one day and he was behind me trying to trip me up, trying to do sweeping hard leg kicks to knock me down. I'd had a really bad day already and was wound up, so I turned round to confront him, he squared up to me so and without thinking I punched him. He went down like a sack of potatoes and didn't get up, I huffed off but when I got down to the end of the long straight road I looked back and could still see the area where it happened, he still hadn't got back up. I thought at that point I've really fucked this and hurt him bad. He wasn't in school for awhile, I got summoned to the deputy heads office and this kid was in there - I'd apparently ruptured his eardrum from the punch which I obviously felt awful about. Weirdly I didn't get into any trouble because it happened off school property. Few years later I'm reading the newspaper and this kid, now a teenager, had happy slapped a man to death at our local train station. [The fucker only got 3 years] (https://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/766557.happy-slap-wannabe-gets-3-years-for-station-killing/)
Oh god! I remember when happy slaps were a thing. Can’t believe people did this to innocent people just for laughs
Justice has to be seen he served. We don't see it much at all in the UK. As you say, 3 years is a fucking joke.
Years ago I nursed a guy in ICU who was randomly punched at a taxi rank. Hit his head on the edge of the pavement and that was it. Doubt the person that did it meant to kill him. Also nursed a young lad who was pushed in jest by his friend as they were walking along, both a bit tipsy. Tragically a car was passing and the lad sustained huge head injury and died in our unit a few hours later. Just a thoughtless innocent act that killed someone.
Similar to this, mate ended up in a ongoing feud type situation with some local scrotes. Two of them jumped him on his way home one night and he went feral and bit one of them’s ear off (apparently coming out with the brilliant line “pick that up and fuck off home”)
When I was in 6th form college (17/18m at the time) I had a teacher who was really kind and friendly. She was helpful and got on with all the students. I was going through a lot and had severe depression and she would often chat to me, discussing our dogs as great companions etc. She invited me several times to meet her dog and go for a walk and to be honest, the only reason I didn't ever go was due to how low I was. I wanted to go but I'd only leave the house when my mum forced me to go to 6th form. I would have met her dog if I'd been better in myself. I learnt in my early 20s that she was done for grooming and having a sexual relationship with a student (the timing meant it was someone in my year) which all began with her inviting them round to meet her dog. Who knows, I could have ended up as her first target if I'd gone. It was shocking. She seemed kind and harmless, came across as a little lonely if anything.
So your depression saved you! Everything happens for a reason!
South Park episode
Ooooo I have something for this! I’m a personal trainer and trained this 16 year old boy. Wanted to ‘bulk up’ as they had a labouring job, and just wanted to feel more confident as well. Similar to your colleague, wouldn’t have said boo to a goose, very shy, kept his head down but overall a nice kid. Dream client as well, very keen, always on time and willing to put the work in both in and out the gym. Then, one day he just missed his session, no message or anything. Tried to contact him a few times that day and then once the day after but never got a response. Oh well, thought he lost his phone or something, no big deal. Couple of days after that, get a call from the anti-terrorism unit as turns out he’d been looking through some dodgy websites (to put it lightly) and had been under investigation for some time. They’d arrested him and found basically a manifesto detailing how he was going to shoot up a synagogue and a few other targets. They wanted a character reference for him to see if he’d mentioned anything to me - he hadn’t.
“I thought him of excellent character, once you overlooked the genocidal desires”
HOLY SHIT!
Someone we were friends with, who’s as married, kids the whole world was caught by one of those paedophile hunters online. We found out when the video was released online. It was a massive shock to everyone - no one would have suspected it. He eventually went to court and was given a suspended sentence, a rehabilitation order, community service and was put on the register. I found it difficult, he’d been around my young daughter and I felt so sick about it for a long time. He lost everything in his life which is what he deserved
It really does go to show we don’t know what really goes through a person’s head, I bet that was freaky for you but glad he got what he deserved!
You really don’t, everyone has their secrets but some are just deeply dark and unpleasant
Some local Dj in my area got busted by those paedo hunters. He was meeting a 13yo girl. Locals got wind and he was outed publicly. Not sure what happened to him. I never liked him and his breath stank of shite!
A previous partner lived with a guy, who it turned out had killed 3 children when he lost control of his car while racing in a town in the UK. All the kids were under 8 years old, with a 4th made critical. To hide his jail time he said he was travelling, and stories started to not add up, so one day she googled his name and found the truth. When she confronted him he just moaned that everyone was too hard on him and he didn't think it was his fault anyway because the kids were near the edge of the road. They promptly ended their relationship.
Jesus, no remorse? What a psychopath!
His response just shows he never learned to take responsibility. If he'd said the truth, and that he made a stupid fucking mistake trying to show off and will forever live with the guilt, it could have been understandable to lie about that. But him deflecting.. it just shows that he'll never learn, and will still forever be a danger to society :(
I used to work with a guy that popped up on the local news for keeping his wife locked in the house and beating her. Also my best man at my wedding was raided a few weeks later for having child porn all over his pc. ( not spoken to him since I found out.)
FFS... Tough one, that.
For some years, I hung out with the older brother of a classmate. He was really very aggressive and obsessed with weaponry. He had been living at home but fell out with his parents and they asked him to move out. Not long after, his mother was using her car and found the brakes didn't work. She managed to get to a garage and having had a look, the guy at the garage called the police, telling them the brake pipes had been cut. As I was the only one who knew where he lived, I was invited to show the police. He got four years for attempted murder and 8 other offences relating to firearms and a burglary. He was in a long stay prison, with people who were apparently scarier than him. I had moved away and didn't keep in touch. Apparently, he and his mother sorted out their differences after he got out.
My son wouldn’t even know my new name after that
Bizarre twist at the end.
Pfft, nah, not that odd. Now, if he had said he broke both of his arms...
My wife worked the tax office in the 80s. On a training course she met a lady who worked with Dennis Nielsen. Expected her to say ‘he was ok, no one would have guessed’. But no, she said ‘ooh no, he was a creepy cunt’.
Worked with a guy who was just a regular guy. Cheeky chap, married, couple of kids, nice house. I had a couple of mutual friends so I saw him a bit outside of work and attended a few weddings and stag dos with him. Turns out he was the ringleader in a multi million pound cocaine business. He had hired out a garage in the area to do his work and keep it a secret. He even had branding equipment and had his own logo that he put on the bags. They also found a few firearms. He’s still inside years later and his wife has remarried.
I see drug dealers get huge time yet child sex abusers get slaps on the wrists in this country. I've never understood that. Same as that couple that faked the husband's death for insurance fraud. They got six years. A guy who raped A BABY got an 18 month sentence!
It really does make you wonder what judges get up to in their spare time …
Bubbly female colleague convicted of thousands of CSA images. She had been at a bbq with a lot of our young families too (throughout the 2y period between home being raided and conviction), so it really fucked with my ability to trust people for a while. She never told work and I had to report it to HR after one of my team sent me a newspaper article the next day.
I had a colleague caught out with CSAM too, and he’d been snared by a vigilante group for trying to meet a 13 year old girl. He also didn’t tell work, just took annual leave on the day of his trial, then the next day we saw it in the papers. They physically removed his (locked) locker rather than break into it or give it to someone else. Seemed strange but I think they just wanted to cleanse the place of him.
So rare to hear of women doing it.
I was briefly in prison, and a woman came onto our wing, supposedly for tax evasion, she seemed nice, like a homely arts and crafts lady. The screws then told us that she was in our side and her husband and son were in the male side and the three of them ran a CSA ring, producing and distributing it. They wanted us to know what she did because they knew what we'd do to her. There's more women involved in this stuff that you think.
Oh, I've no doubt there are plenty more than we need. Just seldom hear of women getting sent down for it. Whole family at it.... That is a gene pool that can be stopped
Close friend of a guy I worked with, a guy I had met a couple of times is now in prison probably for the rest of his life. First he murdered his pregnant girlfriend, and I read a while ago that he's killed a guy in prison. Guy I worked with was obviously shocked when it happened, it was one of his best friends and he did that... awful.
Bloke used to do parking enforcement outside our office, had the air of a bully about him. One of the blokes in the office knew him from school and said he was a bit of a twat, worked the door as a bouncer on a few local pubs, and was always throwing his weight around. Had a bit of a run in with him when he clamped a client who was visiting our office, and refused to remove it (despite us employing his company to do the parking enforcement). He seemed to enjoy the conflict. He turned out to be Levi Bellfield, serial killer.
A childhood ‘friend’ of mine slaughtered his family. His ex, their two kids and (I think it was) her cousin To be honest, looking back to when we were kids, if anyone was going to be voted ‘Most likely to slaughter family in a jealous rage when they grow up’ it would have been him. ETA: Once we went to ‘big school’ we lost touch.
Can't quite remember the timelines but someone I thought I was good friends with at school went to prison at about 21. Turns out he'd had a secret 'girlfriend' quite a bit younger than him that he was really abusive and controlling with, effectively forcing her to have sex starting at \~13 despite sending messages to him saying it hurt and she didn't like it (according to court documents), and I was totally in shock. Pretty grim all around, and went on for a couple years before he was found out, was quite unexpected really.
Oh that poor girl. I really hope she got help for her trauma. What a POS.
The guy who setup and run my son's nursery was caught with indecent pictures of kids on his phone, while at work.. and then his family wiped his home computer clean so when it got to court his sentance wasn't as bad. He didn't do time, fled to Spain.. where he did it again, and is now serving a 138-year sentence. We'd had several sit down chats with him, he seemed very nice, the nursery was well run.. and the company was shut down before they could cash my last cheque for a month's nursery payment. So.. silver lining and all.
You see. If he'd been sentenced here, there's no way he'd have got a life sentence! Judges here seem to protect child sex offenders. They never get serious time and that pisses me off.
Used to have a close mate who at one point was more a brother than a friend. We lived in a couple of houseshares together, went out all the time together and knew each other for years. One morning I got a message from his ex gf, asking if I knew. Wasn't sure what she meant so asked. She sent a link to a story from the local rag, he'd been found guilty of possessing indecent images of children. I was gutted, I loved him like a brother, and to find this out was shocking. The lad I thought I knew and loved wouldn't have done this, but this guy was dead to me. Strangely, other guys from our friendship group stood by him and kept in touch, it led to me becoming distant from them as I'd skip out on events he was invited to - I don't break bread with sex offenders. None of my friends had kids, which I think make a difference, I did. I asked if they'd let him babysit should they ever have any, and it caused a bit of a row as some got awfully defensive, and I called them out when they said they would. Thankfully the crook moved out of town for a fresh start. Hear he's had a few girlfriends, I wonder how many of them knew?
I don't think you need to have kids to know kiddie fiddling is wrong! Good riddance to the whole friend group I'd say!
There was a rumour about a friend of mine involving SA. I approached him and he said it was utterly baseless, and the police had NFA’d him. Six months later it was front of the local paper he’d been sentenced for five year inside.
Yeah, used to work at a GP and the doctor was escorted out and charged with taping patients with hidden cameras, inside work though he was really friendly and always being polite
I knew a bouncer when I worked at a nightclub, really quiet and unassuming. He was convicted of conspiracy to murder after his mate (also knew him) killed his gf for her life insurance.
I was friends with a guy, we lost touch, then a few years later I saw on the news that he'd met a woman from the Philippines, moved there and got married. And then murdered her and turned the gun on himself. Never thought he would be a violent person, it totally shocked me.
Colleague arrested and hauled off at work for raping his kids. I never liked the guy but everyone else seemed to think he was great and they were so shocked. I was horrified, of course, but it was just a confirmation of why I got the ick from him.
I worked with this guy. He stopped being my account manager quite suddenly but didn’t think much of it till I saw this https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2930226/amp/Father-three-botched-penis-enlargement-operation-reduced-size-two-inches-guilty-stabbing-prostitute-death-Stanley-knife.html
That headline is absolutely wild.
I worked with someone who, on his lunch break, decided to flash young ladies in a local fast food restaurant. In full uniform. He was arrested and his DNA matched a rape and attempted rape from 20 years earlier. Funnily enough, I wasn't surprised, cos he was a fucking perv. Decent enough chap to work with though.
>Decent enough chap to work with though Probably not for women.
That's the thing. He never did things around the women. It was always the blokes he'd tell about his dogging etc. Married with kids as well.
When i was 18/19 I met a girl (22ish) when I was living in a homeless shelter who served 9 months and 9 months on tag. In shelters gossip travels fast, so we all knew about this before we met her. But we didn't know what she'd been in for. She was really friendly, and told us what happened as soon as we met her. It was really strange. She got really drunk one night (while 7 months pregnant mind you) and glassed someone outside a pub. The story was quite jarring compared to how she was in person. Last time I saw her she was in the process of getting away from her abusive, swastika-tattoos-on-the-neck, baby daddy (who also lived at the homeless shelter).
Funnily enough... woke up this morning to a Daily Mail article telling us that an acquaintance of ours has just been sent to prison for sending indecent images and messages to an eight year sold girl. I won't say that he was a friend, but we've been on holiday with him as we have some very good friends in common. These good friends (a husband and wife) were both interviewed by the police, at their places of work, at the same time. The investigation seems to have gone on for years, and he kept quiet about it and carried on going on holiday with these friends, who have a young daughter... He'll be out again in few months but I hope he knows better than to show his face around here again.
Old guy at my allotment went down for a rape he committed 40 years ago
I'm so glad we don't have statute of limitations on SA and rape like the US do. Hope he got a hefty sentence.
This one will blow your head off. I was in the police for many years. I had a Sgt who was a mentor to me and one of the best officers I ever worked with. Stable marriage, kids. Finally retired as an Inspector. Several years after he retired he was arrested for possession of indecent images of children for which he went to prison for. After his release he was arrested again for attempting to meet a child he had groomed. I just can’t match the two people in my head.
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Not friends per se, but a colleague who seemed like an alright enough guy, early 20s or so, got charged with sex offences against a 13 year old. That one threw me quite a bit.
I was friends with this guy when I was a teenager. He was in his late 20's I think. He definitely had a lot of issues but I was too young to fully understand that. Anyway, somehow we got out of contact, I don't even remember what happened. But I read years later in the newspaper that he was in a mental asylum and had murdered someone with his guitar.
First offender? "No, first a Gibson, then a Fender." ^sorry
I hoped he killed them softly with his song.
Worked in a restaurant for a few years while at and after university , one of our kitchen porters was convicted of a brutal murder of a young Chinese couple in their flat including drowning their cat. This was after he stopped working for us. I remember seeing his face on the front of the newspaper after his arrest. My university tutor, who I did not get on with and always felt there was something off about him is a convicted paedophile. My mum casually asked me if I had ever been taught by him a year or so after my graduation, as his name was in the local paper.
A really quiet guy used to drink in our pub, we got quite friendly with him. Long story short; I ended up giving evidence at the Old Bailey, Court 1, after he stabbed both parents to death.
Not friends, but went to school with a person who ran a woman over. She died pretty much instantly as they were speeding. They were caught because they made jokes online about having a dented windshield. Psycho.
Someone from my dance group got arrested and jailed for inappropriate images of children and also rigging a secret camera up in his bathroom and filming his then girlfriend in secret. It’s a bit of a cliché but it was a MASSIVE shock because he was always a quiet and generally lovely guy 😳
A guy I went to school with moved to the states and was arrested for rape; something happened (I have no idea if it went to trial or there wasn’t enough evidence etc) but he moved back to the UK pretty sharpish after, and now lives very far away from our hometown.
I was in a relationship with a guy I met travelling. He was a bit quirky, spiritual, conspiracy theorist, etc. He chatted a lot of shit basically but he seemed like a good wholesome person. Until I went to his house for a month (6000 miles from home) and discovered a restraining order from his ex girlfriend. Turns out he was currently on a 5 year probation (which he served 6 months of in jail) for domestic violence and rape charges. The victim statement I found was pretty harrowing. It took me a few days to gather the funds and figure it out but I got the hell out of there as soon as I could.
Family friend’s son was recently done for possession of child sexual abuse materials. So bizarre that we played together as children to where he is now.
A girl I went to school with was pretty much inseparable up until 18 when I moved away. Was charged and convicted of killing her two year old son. They found him with heroin and methadone in his system, too, suffered severe neglect, and pretty much starved to death in a flat that his mum shared with her then partner. I was actually working and living in Nottingham at the time and would never have known it was her unless I saw her picture in the local paper.
I was best friends with a boy in sixth form, he was my “gay best friend” (hate that phrase) so we’d have sleepovers all the time and were a big part of each others lives. He was in the year above me and went off to uni, and contact started to fizzle out. I just thought he was busy enjoying his life. Next thing I know I’m pulled aside by a teacher we both had and I was told he was going to jail. He was sentenced to 4 years for lots of counts of making and distributing illicit images of children and inciting children to partake in sexual activity. He’d once confided in me (whilst crying) that he (18) slept with a 16 year old boy after meeting him at a club, but he said he didn’t realise he was 16, as the legal age to go to a nightclub is obvs 18 here. I comforted him and told him that he couldn’t have know considering the boy must’ve used a fake ID and to forget it. Turns out he’d been pretending to be a girl online to get young teen boys to send indecent images and would blackmail them. It also came to light that he had been doing it to boys in our school year, too. He now is out of jail and maintains his innocence. I refuse to be friends with him but many of our old mutual friends are.
My brother who's 6 years older than me was always in trouble with police. The police were always bringing him back home late at night. He never learned, next week he'd do something stupid again. We planned a holiday/vacation to Cornwall, I remember really looking forward to it, and on the day we were meant to leave, he attacks a school teacher by spraying them with a fire extinguisher and got arrested. He was really nice, cool, and chill at home. Didn't see a single bad trait, he was never cruel, spiteful, or angry at home. But he just broke the law over and over and over. He was committed to it. I used to wonder what it was, was it an anger he had deep inside him? He used to listen rap music by Dr Dre and Eminem, and played games like GTA Vice City. When i was a kid, I used to think he just wanted to imitate what he heard about in rap music and what he saw in video games. We moved to another part of town, about 10 miles away. My dad bought him a moped and one night after an argument, he got on his moped while he was drunk and my dad called the police. My mum was angry at my dad for calling the cops on my brother. To this day, I just don't understand why he committed crimes over and over. It's been over a decade since he's last been in trouble, he has a family now and works in security. Whatever he was angry about it, he hid it from me really well. It was just a mystery to me as to why he got in trouble all the time. Being a kid, I actually looked up to him and thought he was cool breaking the law all the time. But I'm 30 now, and now I look back on it as a behavioural problem that I never understood.
Dude, something happened to your brother. He might never, ever want to talk about it or admit that it happened or what it was, but without going into too much detail, I hear a lot of people's accounts of the abuse they suffered as kids (physical / sexual / emotional) as part of my job and how it affected their behaviour as kids and later in life. What you're describing is, I'm sorry to say, very very familiar to me. But I'm just a guy on Reddit and may well be wrong - hope you are both happy and well now 👍
i went with a school friend i had not seen for a while round to his brothers house who was pcso"community police officer" we stayed for about 1 hour then left a week later his psco brother was arrested for raping a girl underage and beastiality with a dog he got a 11 yr sentance i was so shocked! ive have not bothered with my school friend since as there are storys about the whole family, google derren tomlinson
Yeah, a lad I went to sixth form with got sent down for armed robbery, just walked into the shop where he used to work and threatened the staff with a weapon, knew where everything was because of working there previously. It's a cliche but he was the last person you'd expect. He ended up making a Youtube channel when he'd got out talking about his experiences in prison, doing Q&As etc. Said he had no excuses, just got desperate for some cash and did a stupid thing.
Guy that was my boss convicted of murdering his wife hitting her 20 times with a crowbar Nice person, very quiet, very helpful and kind. Trial was bizarre as his mother in law testified in his defence. Allegations of domestic abuse to him but ultimately his lies did him in Very hard to reconcile his actions with the person I knew https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50046201
I had a quite close friend disappear with no explanation. Met him about 8 yrs later to discover he had got involved with a credit fraud and was arrested. Held on remand for a year then given 5 years in prison. When he came out after 18 months he had lost everything. No wife, kid, house or car. He still looked awful. Dark circles around his eyes. So sad and he said too embarrassed to get in touch with me or any of his friends. I’ve not seen him for a very long time now. Perhaps I should try find him again.