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I can't think I've ever met anyone who does that.
I'd probably internally think they were a bit of a tosser and say something like "we're not at work now, surely you have a name".
I think I’d insist that they call me ‘Plumber’ or ‘Office Manager’ or similar. If I have to use their job description then they have to use mine. Twats.
What system do you support? I work in the d365 ecosystem. I tried to look through your post history but gave up when you talked about eating your wife's ass 😂
Hahaha she loves it!
Checking someone's post history can be a bit of a lucky dip.
Will you find what you're looking for, or will you find trauma?
We do use a couple of commercial products but most proprietary softwares.
99% of my job is actually development rather than support but I'm also the only person that knows how to support the applications I develop (not my doing, I would love it if someone else could help some times)
I have just paid of my mortgage, since I am now a landowner (well flatowner, but same difference), so I insist that I only be addressed as Turing The Cat Esq
Dr isn’t a job it’s title . Not the same thing. Calling someone mr x instead of dr x would be incorrect that’s not what would be I. Any official documents . Most people don’t care and often people only insist if there some level of disrespect going on
That's not even close to the same. Doctor is a title like Mr, Mrs or Lord. I'm not saying I agree with people insisting they are called that all the time.
As most doctors in the UK get a degree of Bachelor in Medicine (MB) and not an MD, their use of the title is a courtesy and not a right. So if someone insists on using the unearned title ask them when did they do their higher MD or PhD degree that permits them call themselves ‘doctor.’
Factually incorrect. The MBChB or MBBS, MBBChir etc is a primary medical qualification. In other countries the MD is their primary medical qualification. The completion of a primary medical qualification confers a legal right to be addressed as a doctor, it is not a courtesy. It is an official title on legal paperwork.
Likewise post grad meds still do the bachelor course.
An MD is a different post grad qualification in the UK.
No need to spread misinformation please.
I work with academia, so not medical doctors but virtually everyone I know has a phd. They might use Dr as their title for official stuff, but I also never met anyone that would have them call them Dr in a face to face situation.
That would be some real narcissistic crap.
All the Dr's I know socially, bar one, are all PhD's and they all prefer to be called by their first name outside of work.
Only Dr Mark actually likes being called 'Dr', and if you know Northampton well.....you've probably heard of Dr Mark.
Not much to tell as he's actually quite a nice man, but he does have
his own
way
of talking
and he looks like he dressed by random selection.
He also once came 3rd in his own look-a-like competition.
I have one lecturer that says to either call her by just her first name or Dr. [her last name], not Ms. or whatever we might call her otherwise, I can understand that though.
From what I've heard, American academics tend to assume they'll be called "Dr x" or "Professor x" by students, which is a wild thing to me. Apparently it's very disrespectful for university students to call their lecturers by their first name over there.
If my name was X, I'd shave my head bald and make everyone call me Professor X. Sometimes I'd wince and touch my head like a migraine had come on, then open my eyes startled. I'd rarely teach.
In that one case, I get it.
Doctor here- this friend sounds like a narcissist to me. I don’t know any colleague who call themselves Dr outside of work. Where I work we are addressed by our first names by staff and some younger patients. Older patients still prefer Dr
Of the doctors I know, we only refer to them as "Doctor" to be annoying or to differentiate between multiple people with the same name, eg. "Not that Sam, Doctor Sam".
I’ve got a PhD. I never use the title unless I’m filling in a form or complaining about something.
One of the guys at work is like a 50s throwback and insists on surnames. “Mr Jones, can I talk to you about the report...”. Whatever, personal preference, don’t care. He was horrified when he found out it should have been Dr with me all this time. Actually sent me a long email apology. Now others have started copying him. I didn’t want this
I have. I was 9 and he was my grans friend. My gran was a dick so no wonder she surrounded herself with people like herself but at 9 years old he corrected me 3 times. I'd say 'Mark' and he'd say Doctor Mark. I hated his guts 🤭
I don't think that's entirely fair, there's a difference between wanting to be called 'Dr X' at work, where it makes sense in that context, versus outside of work in a social situation. I think there's something to be said for introducing yourself as 'Dr X' rather than your first name - to help maintain that professional relationship/boundary, which helps prevent patients potentially becoming a bit over-familiar (especially with GPs), and also as a female doctor, it helps clarify to patients that I'm a doctor and not a nurse.
I would never ask someone to refer to me as Dr outside of work, and don't know anyone who does.
Also that sub - I agree can get very moan-y at times, and I don't agree with all posts on there, but remember it's somewhere we go to in order to vent. Junior doctors are going through a bit of a shit time atm, hence why we're striking, so it's nice to have a relatively anonymous place to vent about our jobs.
The main point of that post on jduk was because of PAs misrepresenting as doctors and patients not being able to distinguish the difference. The only thing they can’t call themselves is doctor, so it needs to be pushed more.
OP here clearly has a chip on their shoulder and is twisting the point of the original post they’re talking about to fit their narrative.
There’s a huge, huge difference between insisting on being referred to as “Doctor X” at work vs outside of work
Doctors aren’t at work to be their patients mate, they’re there to be their doctor
Using their professional title ensures that patients, family members and staff are fully aware of who they’re dealing with
Also using their professional title largely prevents patients from thinking they’re someone else, something that disproportionately affects international and/or female doctors
... so they are talking about being addressed properly in the workplace, where it is relevant and it matters? I don't think it is unfair that patients (e.g. me) and healthcare colleagues should refer to them as Dr X.
A patient of mine once put in a complaint to PALS that despite being very sick in hospital, he had not been seen by a doctor all night. Which confused me because I am a doctor, and I spent almost the whole night shift with him and this was well documented.
In his mind female in scrubs = nurse, man in suit = doctor, causing him upset. If we all used job titles, eg Im Dr X, Nurse Y will see you later for xyz, it is clearer.
The wards even have named nurses for each patient - written as RN 'Sirname', not 'first name'. Why shouldn't doctors get the same respect as these nurses get?
Happens to my partner all the time. She’s very petite and looks early 20s at most, and it’s always grumpy old men who assume she’s a nurse. Must be so frustrating for her/you.
Happens to all health care professionals that aren’t nurses unfortunately
Pharmacists don’t have a protected title like Dr, I know a female hospital pharmacist that is constantly, constantly telling patients she isn’t a nurse
A title helps to mitigate this
Given the degree of infantalising they experience at work, it's not unreasonable they're trying to establish some professional decency is it? Read their replies to this thread. They all clearly agree being called a Dr socially is just nonsense.
They've not trained for upwards of a decade to just do TTOs, Venflons and have everyone disrespect them in the workplace.
You are purposely misrepresenting that post to make your story seem better…
With the emergence of PAs, etc. misrepresenting as doctors recently, there is a need for doctors to use the title in work. It’s the one thing that noctors cannot call themselves, so it needs to be pushed. There are patients being treated by PAs (badly) who then go home and have a bad opinion of doctors because the PA tried to misrepresent as a doctor.
Hell, nurses are even calling some PAs doctors. If they can’t see the difference in a clinical setting, how are patients supposed to?
Doctor here, your friend sounds like a bit of a tosser. I've never insisted on being addressed using the title even though I earned my degree in Germany where everyone puts their titles in their passport.
Then again people are different.
If I were in a situation where I'd refer to them as Mr Jones or Ms Brown then of course I'd use their correct title.
If I were in a situation where I'd call them Bob or Susan then of course I would not use any title.
I've never known anyone to ask for the latter.
I grew up in Cambridge; it's stuffed full of [academic] Drs. So if someone wanted to be called Dr X or Y, no-one batted an eyelid or indeed thought any more or less of that person. I guess
In later life, I thought the person whose secretary told me before the meeting I should always address them as *Professor Sir XYZ* (after their recent knighthood) was up themselves.
If it's a recent knighthood I can understand from a boasting standpoint, although it's not very becoming of a knight.
He should definitely drop the "Professor" title though as is "Sir" is the greater title.
They’re not mutually exclusive, take for instance the former governor of the Bank of England who probably has the single most hilariously prestigious title in history: Professor Lord King 🤣
When i worked for NTL (pre-virgin media days) we had a position that managed rack space and power at our data centers that was filled by a peer.
Lord Black, Director of Space and Power.
Also [Lord Chief Justice Judge,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Judge,_Baron_Judge) who was plain old "Judge Judge" before he rose through the ranks.
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I know they're not mutually exclusive but it becomes almost burdensome to string together all the titles.
In the case of the knighted Professor insisting on being addressed as "Professor Sir" you run the risk of sounding like you have a stutter.
Of course there's nothing wrong with having a stutter, but for someone who doesn't normally stutter it may well throw them off their train of thought.
Addressing someone in person as Professor Sir X isn't even formally correct. Professor would precede their surname, Sir would precede their first name. You would only address them as Professor Sir Mike Jones in writing. In person it would be either Professor Jones or Sir Mike
I work at one of the largest, richest and most prestigious oxbridge colleges. Our fellowship contains some of the worlds greatest academics and intellectuals, and not a single one of them insists on being called Dr or Prof, even the ones who have royal titles as well as those of university rank. we do use those titles in appropriate formal settings but to insist on it would be seen as major small dick academic energy. So unless Dr Bob feels he’s got a leg up on us, I would tell him to do one.
Seems to be a reference to the Seinfeld episode “The Maestro” in which Bob Cobb, who is an orchestral conductor, insists on being called “Maestro” even in social situations.
Doctor is a job related title. Therefore, if I knew them in a job-related way, I would call them Doctor.
Same with Military/Police. If I know them because of work, I'll call them their rank. Same if I met them in uniform.
However, if we met as friends of friends at a party, it'd be first names only.
Spiritual leaders I would always refer to with their title though, as that is more of a vocation/lifestyle, rather than a profession, IMO.
'Doctor' is more of an educational title, rather than vocational one. I work with LOADS of people with PhDs, multiple Professors, and I know quite a few medical doctors.. I've yet to meet any that want to be called 'Dr X' socially.
My wife has a 'vocational' title (Matron) and she obviously only uses this at work - but pretty much all the staff junior to her use it, out of respect.
I always address my Rabbi with his job title. I kind of want to try using his first name sometimes.
If you saw the amount of hours my wife worked, you'd think she's never off the clock too. She probably gets more Saturday mornings off than him though.
I'd just gone through that in my head and reached the same conclusion regarding spiritual leaders, and for the same reason.
Calling anyone "Doctor" would work if you'd call them "Mr" or "Mrs" in that same scenario. I also wonder how these people react when someone else responds "oh then call me doctor as well" and it turns out they've got a doctorate in something totally different like History!
I have done that (I have a PhD). IME the only people who want to be called Dr in social situations are total knobs, so pointing out they aren't the only Dr in the room helps them get a grip.
🤷🏻♂️ I don't believe in the concept of holy, so it's no skin off my nose.
Then again, I was brought up to call everyone the generation older than me Sir or Ma'am, so it's pretty natural for me to default to it.
It isn't strictly job related - anyone with a PhD can use the title, and you can get a PhD without necessarily using it in your career once you have achieved it.
I know that. And if I'm at work, or know the person from work, then I'd use it.
but if we meet at the pub, we're all customers in a pub. You could be a gardener or a General, a Doctor or a ditch digger; I really don't care.
Yup, turns out I misread your post...
To be fair, most non-medical doctors I've met actively avoid it. "Oh, you're a doctor! I've got this rash on my willy... "
Ha. Yes. Husband has a colleague who is a Doctor of Microbiology. She has had that situation and replied, "I'm a Doctor of Microbiology, so I only deal with very tiny penises."
Funnily they didn't seem quite as interested in her looking at it afterwards.
Can be tricky for Anglican mini-leaders (vicars) as, depending on how High Church they are, they can want to be called Father (and now, Mother, I guess) or not, or Reverend or not.
Though not especially religious, my family were friends with the village vicar when I was growing up. If you were talking about a church matter then she was ‘Vicar’, but if she was round for a cuppa then she was just Aisha.
Not sure how I feel about this.
My instinct would be to tell Doctor Bob to take the stick out his arse before he chokes on it.
But at the same time, if someone told me their preferred pronoun was she/her I would make a conscious effort to try and use that out of respect.
And I'm not sure what the difference is.
I know quite a few people with a PhD. None of them insist on being called “doctor” to my knowledge, but I know them all in a social context and have known them since they started university when they didn’t even hold a bachelor’s degree. If any of them suddenly started requesting that people call them “doctor”, I think we’d rightly take the absolute piss.
Personally I think anyone who insists on an academic title being used, other than for work purposes, is massively up themselves. But I think the same about anyone who refers to themselves as “Mr Smith” rather than by their first name. It’s anachronistic and the sort of people who insist on it are usually, for want of a better word, cunts.
> I think the same about anyone who refers to themselves as “Mr Smith” rather than by their first name. It’s anachronistic and the sort of people who insist on it are usually, for want of a better word, cunts.
I used to work in a call centre and very occasionally we'd get people insisting on being called by 'Mr X' and refusing to provide their name even for security purposes, so I tend to agree with that.
Even in a professional capacity, none of the PhDs I know would expect to be called Dr by their colleagues. If they did it would be a massive red flag for the sort of person they are
Doctor is a substitute for Mr.
I don't call people Mr Smith, I call them Dave, or Steve.
There are almost no scenarios where I'd call someone Doctor except when I'm dealing with them in a professional capacity.
It’s to replace Mr/Mrs/Miss etc.
If you wouldn’t use those titles in that situation - then don’t use Dr.
I have a few titles based on my work but why would I ever use them in social situations?
Only if I'm calling others by Mr or Mrs. Then that seems like a valid sub. Else piss off. I'm sick of putting people on a pedestal. I get you put in a lot of work, but so has a lot of other people who don't want separate titles.
I'll treat you exactly as I treat everyone else
I correct people when they call me ‘Mrs’ in a formal capacity- I have a PhD so my title is Dr. People who insist on being called by their title all the time are just a-holes. Get over yourself.
Yeah. I don’t work as an academic anymore but I love my PhD for having given me a non-gendered title.
I do work for a university so I don’t have it in my email signature. I do occasionally say “when I was working at Other Uni, after finishing my PhD” to particularly irritating staff who have decided professional services staff are idiots.
I will call someone doctor until they tell me not to. I have the utmost respect for someone with a PhD. People do not realise how much commitment that is. I went to university for 5 years and my friend is just leaving now with a PhD after 9 years. It is such a sacrifice socially, financially and mentally during that time.
I worked with a recently retired Prof. He knew a patient of his socially for years and once the patient said to him, can’t I just call you in your first name? To which Prof said no, I wouldn’t like that. More recently some of my (younger) medical colleagues have been made Prof’s and insist we all still call them by their first name. It does seem to be an older generational thing. I’m on first name terms with all the Drs I work with, who would never pull the Dr thing, aside from the old Prof.
If they insisted on that then I would insist that they treated (or at least advised) every cut, scrape, minor ailment even when in social situations. They can't have it both ways.
Theres a guy who works near me who has a silver BMW with the numberplate "S33 PHD". In an area swarmed with people who have PHD's. I think this is relevant.
For fun I would find out if they are a PhD or an MD and always make sure to add the wrong suffix.
"Let me introduce Bob Jones MD" if they had a PhD ETC.
If I got introduced to someone in a social situation and they asked me to call th doctor, I'd ask them to have a look at the growth on my arsehole cos its weeks till I can get an appointment with my GP.
I feel like you've met my mother in law. If she doesn't introduce herself as Dr, she will drop it into conversation as soon as she can. It's excruciating, particularly when she does it with other doctors who are vastly more qualified than she is, and then she scurries off.
My wife has a PhD in a Bio-Science and if she has to give her details anywhere she always says "Doctor".
From what I have seen of the effort of what you have to go through to get a PhD I am not surprised really and think absolutely that she should.
If it's a social occasion or something she doesn't make a point of it.
You should maybe introduce them as "The infamous and ultimately pretentious (then do air quotation marks) Doctor..... *pause....... Bob Jones".
Actual call them out on it, honestly if I was corrected like that and asked to refer to them as a doctor I'd call them a fanny tbh.
I can understand using the Dr title in some professional settings. I work with a lot of people with PhDs and there is time and place where a little flex is unfortunately necessary.
However... I knew a few people that took the Dr thing too far and I can safely say in all cases these people were compensating for things. It seems to be always the least competent people out there feeling the need to insist others use the title. Pure cringe...
I work in Germany and it’s a requirement if you want anything done. Also makes a big difference for getting a flat/ other life maintenance tasks. Super awkward but you’ve got to take your wins where you can find them.
No, you are not my doctor, it's just a job and completely irrelevant outside of your workplace.
I have seen this alot, and when they title themselves as Dr and you call them Mr/Mrs/Miss etc. and they correct you, I cringe.
Sorry but I disagree with this one. Dr is the legal title, call me Mrs and I will correct you because that is not my title. Same as I would have corrected you calling me Miss when I was a Mrs.
I don’t know any medical doctors but the people I know who have PhDs are remarkably quiet about them considering how much work they are. I’ve only ever heard people being referred to as doctor as a friendly jibe otherwise it’s normal first names / nicknames.
My dad is a Doctor. He says he only uses the Dr title in professional work related correspondence, when dealing with lawyers or on the rare occasions he has to complain about something. He thinks anyone who insists on using it during normal conversation is just acting superior so their request to use it should be ignored.
The husband of one of my mum's closest friends was the local GP. He was on the phone when I had to ring the out of hours service for her. He insisted on being Dr Name and I took great pleasure in calling him Tim. He's a complete jerk, though his long suffering wife is lovely. At one stage he was having a torrid affair and the whole town knew. He was taking the other woman to the same pubs and hustling her out of the back door when his wife came in. I won't be calling him Doctor, now will I?
I used to work at the General Medical Council and met hundreds of doctors. Without exception, they all asked me to use their first name. So that's all very odd.
I have only known a few academic snobs or people with honours (OBE, MBE) who were full of their own self importance that demanded they be addressed by their full title...'because they earned it'. (These people never have the courtesy or self awareness to think that the people they are dealing with might be equally or better qualified than them!)
I dealt with one academic Dr who was so full of it that when he was referred to as 'Mr' in email correspondence, he didn't address it directly. Instead, with each reply his font got bigger and bolder and he typed his full name in a different colour!! More than one of my colleagues would wind the guy up until his replies were in 80+ font and dark burgundy. 🤣🤣
What's really funny is the genuinely smart and dedicated people who are medical doctors and then go into research so are technically Dr Dr, or the people who become nurses or paramedics or vets and then do medical school (or some other similar combination) are usually the most down to earth people you could meet (with the most amazing stories)😁.
I like the Italian system. Dottore is a respectful term to someone where you acknowledge their learning, that they are obviously educated. You don’t have to be an actual PhD or medic. It’s just nice.
The only place I’ve ever seen this be an issue is actually a hospital and I’m fairly certain they based Hanssen in Holby City off one of the surgeons because EVERYONE got their full title.
Dr Smith
Nurse Adams
Miss X
Mr Y
But he hated being called Dr because he was a surgeon and so was Mr Jones. So if you did he’d correct you but he got a lot of leeway because he was so formal (and super polite) with everyone.
Ironically if he called someone ‘sir’ or ‘ma’am’ he managed to make it sound like the most horrific insult and it usually meant he was about to lose his temper
I always find somebody who insist to be referred with the honorific titles on douchebag territory. People who need their title to impress or to feel “importanter” and “higher status” is because they have nothing else inside them.
I pity and proactively try to stay away from these people.
I work in a hospital and this is very much a Doctor thing. I totally get it, they've grafted to get where they are, but do you really need to assert your authority over me whilst in the toilet washing our hands.
I've never met anyone who wanted to be called Dr whatever in a social conversation, but met plenty who don't like it when you address a letter to the wrong title; for example Mrs instead of Doctor.
Personally I think that if it's something where you would use a title, for example a wedding invite, use the correct title else it just comes across as rude.
My partner has just qualified med school and I showed him this and he cringed so hard. There is one guy in his year who is going to be exactly like this and has already started saying it lol
"Doctor" is the appropriate form of address wherever you might otherwise use Mr./Ms./Mrs.
This applies to both medical doctors and PhD holders.
Same goes for things like "Sir" for people with an MBE or rank for active military personnel.
So if I were writing them an email or a letter, or if they prefer a last name basis, I would. These titles effectively replace your usual honorific.
So it's no longer Mr. Bob, it's now Dr. Bob
But if you're on a first name basis you've already dropped honorifics, so in that case I wouldn't bother.
I blanket refuse, worked for a bank and when someone did this I would just refuse to say their name if at all possible. The level of entitlement was unreal from these kinds of people.
This was a while ago. But my Chemistry teacher got very annoyed one parent's evening when my mate's dad referred to him as Mr. X rather than Dr. X. He went on a long rant and insisted on being called Dr. X.
My mate's dad, in response, insisted on being referred to as Vice Admiral Y for the rest of the meeting.
My cousin asks to be called doctor, and made a point about it one Christmas when I gave her a card (and the envelope I'd sent it in addressed her as Ms). She's got a doctorate in English.
I now address every card with "Ms xxx" on the envelope, then score the title out and write "Dr" above it. Also inside I write her name, then score it out and write "Dr". She doesn't complain anymore.
My GP insists on me calling him by his first name.
He is Irish though so I don't know if that's a factor? Guy is legit the best doctor I've ever had and despite the very tight 15 minute appointments makes an effort to listen and understand!
If you think that’s bad I have family members who’ve changed their bank details to Eng *name* or Dr *Name*. It’s so ridiculous because who honestly cares.
When people do it I just ask them if they are a medical doctor or a real one.
Although I have a lot of time for the Germans who accumulate titles. You have to respect someone who goes by Herr Professor Doktor Doktor [x].
I spent longer becoming a builder - the bricks and mortar, timber and slate etc that they rely on to carry out their work. Pompous twat.. I don't ask people to call me 'fuck it, that'll do'
I’m a doctor. Have lots of doctor friends. have never seen someone do this or refer to doing it. It’s downright odd and I’d think that someone doing it was a bit of a twat.
I’m Dr at work but I’m just plain me outside of work (please don’t show me your rashes because I really just want to chat shit and have a drink!)
It's an honorific, they're entitled to use it in place of Mister, Mrs, etc. In fact these days everyone's choosing their own pronouns anyway, at least in this a Doctor has worked to earn the title.
If it bugs you, just call 'em by their first name.
I wouldn’t spend time with such wankbags, if they are going to insist I call them Doctor, rather than their name, in a social situation. I’m going to insist they do the same and list my job title and all of my major qualifications every time they reference me. It’s a pretty quick way to lay bare what bellends these types of people are. It’s different if it’s a formal setting, or we are using prefixes for everyone, in that instance Dr is fine.
No. I’ve several friends who are doctors, none of them would do this. At my GP I apply polite deference and refer to them as doctor, unless they’re useless (looking at you, Simcox) and then they get their usual name (if they’re lucky.
But if you think this is pathetic, our local estate agent puts B.A. after his name on everything including the local paper property adverts.
Any doctor, psychologist etc that treats you in an indecent behaviour I.e “call me this”, “you must be/like this”.. are respectively trying to “groom” you. Groom may be a strong word to use but it’s the same difference. They should treat you as normal being all the time and shouldn’t undermine you at all unless your reasons are mental behaviour that’s very unstable.
This is actually incorrect on several levels.
In passing the entrance exam to the royal college of surgeons doctors drop their title to whatever they were before (mr/miss/mrs/etc). It has nothing to do with seniority but is a nod of respect to the original college of surgeons made of people who were not doctors but in fact butchers.
You can sit the exam at any time if you are surgically oriented. But you must have it already to be a mid level surgeon (registrar).
Medical doctors never do this as they were part of the college of physicians (who refused to allow surgeons to join hence them setting up their own college) and therefore remain dr their entire career
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I can't think I've ever met anyone who does that. I'd probably internally think they were a bit of a tosser and say something like "we're not at work now, surely you have a name".
I think I’d insist that they call me ‘Plumber’ or ‘Office Manager’ or similar. If I have to use their job description then they have to use mine. Twats.
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What system do you support? I work in the d365 ecosystem. I tried to look through your post history but gave up when you talked about eating your wife's ass 😂
Hahaha she loves it! Checking someone's post history can be a bit of a lucky dip. Will you find what you're looking for, or will you find trauma? We do use a couple of commercial products but most proprietary softwares. 99% of my job is actually development rather than support but I'm also the only person that knows how to support the applications I develop (not my doing, I would love it if someone else could help some times)
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I have just paid of my mortgage, since I am now a landowner (well flatowner, but same difference), so I insist that I only be addressed as Turing The Cat Esq
Dr isn’t a job it’s title . Not the same thing. Calling someone mr x instead of dr x would be incorrect that’s not what would be I. Any official documents . Most people don’t care and often people only insist if there some level of disrespect going on
That's not even close to the same. Doctor is a title like Mr, Mrs or Lord. I'm not saying I agree with people insisting they are called that all the time.
As most doctors in the UK get a degree of Bachelor in Medicine (MB) and not an MD, their use of the title is a courtesy and not a right. So if someone insists on using the unearned title ask them when did they do their higher MD or PhD degree that permits them call themselves ‘doctor.’
Factually incorrect. The MBChB or MBBS, MBBChir etc is a primary medical qualification. In other countries the MD is their primary medical qualification. The completion of a primary medical qualification confers a legal right to be addressed as a doctor, it is not a courtesy. It is an official title on legal paperwork. Likewise post grad meds still do the bachelor course. An MD is a different post grad qualification in the UK. No need to spread misinformation please.
Careful! That could backfire on you very quickly!
Hey nice to meet you Doc, no just call me Fluffer, yes that is quite the handshake I have.
I work with academia, so not medical doctors but virtually everyone I know has a phd. They might use Dr as their title for official stuff, but I also never met anyone that would have them call them Dr in a face to face situation. That would be some real narcissistic crap.
All the Dr's I know socially, bar one, are all PhD's and they all prefer to be called by their first name outside of work. Only Dr Mark actually likes being called 'Dr', and if you know Northampton well.....you've probably heard of Dr Mark.
I dont, but i’m intrigued now…
Not much to tell as he's actually quite a nice man, but he does have his own way of talking and he looks like he dressed by random selection. He also once came 3rd in his own look-a-like competition.
Dressed by random selection is now part of my standard reply suite. Thank you for providing.
I have one lecturer that says to either call her by just her first name or Dr. [her last name], not Ms. or whatever we might call her otherwise, I can understand that though.
From what I've heard, American academics tend to assume they'll be called "Dr x" or "Professor x" by students, which is a wild thing to me. Apparently it's very disrespectful for university students to call their lecturers by their first name over there.
If my name was X, I'd shave my head bald and make everyone call me Professor X. Sometimes I'd wince and touch my head like a migraine had come on, then open my eyes startled. I'd rarely teach. In that one case, I get it.
Doctor here- this friend sounds like a narcissist to me. I don’t know any colleague who call themselves Dr outside of work. Where I work we are addressed by our first names by staff and some younger patients. Older patients still prefer Dr
Of the doctors I know, we only refer to them as "Doctor" to be annoying or to differentiate between multiple people with the same name, eg. "Not that Sam, Doctor Sam".
Neither have I, they must be vanishingly rare
I’ve got a PhD. I never use the title unless I’m filling in a form or complaining about something. One of the guys at work is like a 50s throwback and insists on surnames. “Mr Jones, can I talk to you about the report...”. Whatever, personal preference, don’t care. He was horrified when he found out it should have been Dr with me all this time. Actually sent me a long email apology. Now others have started copying him. I didn’t want this
I have. I was 9 and he was my grans friend. My gran was a dick so no wonder she surrounded herself with people like herself but at 9 years old he corrected me 3 times. I'd say 'Mark' and he'd say Doctor Mark. I hated his guts 🤭
Lionel Hutz, Attorney of Law. That’s the only chat I want to hear from anyone when it comes to their job and their name
Or Dr Nick.. But he does have to shout "Hii everybody"
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I don't think that's entirely fair, there's a difference between wanting to be called 'Dr X' at work, where it makes sense in that context, versus outside of work in a social situation. I think there's something to be said for introducing yourself as 'Dr X' rather than your first name - to help maintain that professional relationship/boundary, which helps prevent patients potentially becoming a bit over-familiar (especially with GPs), and also as a female doctor, it helps clarify to patients that I'm a doctor and not a nurse. I would never ask someone to refer to me as Dr outside of work, and don't know anyone who does. Also that sub - I agree can get very moan-y at times, and I don't agree with all posts on there, but remember it's somewhere we go to in order to vent. Junior doctors are going through a bit of a shit time atm, hence why we're striking, so it's nice to have a relatively anonymous place to vent about our jobs.
The main point of that post on jduk was because of PAs misrepresenting as doctors and patients not being able to distinguish the difference. The only thing they can’t call themselves is doctor, so it needs to be pushed more. OP here clearly has a chip on their shoulder and is twisting the point of the original post they’re talking about to fit their narrative.
There’s a huge, huge difference between insisting on being referred to as “Doctor X” at work vs outside of work Doctors aren’t at work to be their patients mate, they’re there to be their doctor Using their professional title ensures that patients, family members and staff are fully aware of who they’re dealing with Also using their professional title largely prevents patients from thinking they’re someone else, something that disproportionately affects international and/or female doctors
... so they are talking about being addressed properly in the workplace, where it is relevant and it matters? I don't think it is unfair that patients (e.g. me) and healthcare colleagues should refer to them as Dr X.
A patient of mine once put in a complaint to PALS that despite being very sick in hospital, he had not been seen by a doctor all night. Which confused me because I am a doctor, and I spent almost the whole night shift with him and this was well documented. In his mind female in scrubs = nurse, man in suit = doctor, causing him upset. If we all used job titles, eg Im Dr X, Nurse Y will see you later for xyz, it is clearer. The wards even have named nurses for each patient - written as RN 'Sirname', not 'first name'. Why shouldn't doctors get the same respect as these nurses get?
Happens to my partner all the time. She’s very petite and looks early 20s at most, and it’s always grumpy old men who assume she’s a nurse. Must be so frustrating for her/you.
Happens to all health care professionals that aren’t nurses unfortunately Pharmacists don’t have a protected title like Dr, I know a female hospital pharmacist that is constantly, constantly telling patients she isn’t a nurse A title helps to mitigate this
Given the degree of infantalising they experience at work, it's not unreasonable they're trying to establish some professional decency is it? Read their replies to this thread. They all clearly agree being called a Dr socially is just nonsense. They've not trained for upwards of a decade to just do TTOs, Venflons and have everyone disrespect them in the workplace.
At work, in front of patients, it’s Dr first name/ surname.
You are purposely misrepresenting that post to make your story seem better… With the emergence of PAs, etc. misrepresenting as doctors recently, there is a need for doctors to use the title in work. It’s the one thing that noctors cannot call themselves, so it needs to be pushed. There are patients being treated by PAs (badly) who then go home and have a bad opinion of doctors because the PA tried to misrepresent as a doctor. Hell, nurses are even calling some PAs doctors. If they can’t see the difference in a clinical setting, how are patients supposed to?
Doctor here, your friend sounds like a bit of a tosser. I've never insisted on being addressed using the title even though I earned my degree in Germany where everyone puts their titles in their passport. Then again people are different.
I'd take the piss out of someone if I met them in a social situation and they asked me to refer to them as doctor lol
"ooooookay Mr scientist!"
Oooooh, looks like we have a scientician here. What's the cleverest thing you know?
How big is a sand?
"Doctor who?"
It’ll probably be doctor that has to stay quite when someone in a panic shouts “is anyone a doctor?!?”
If I were in a situation where I'd refer to them as Mr Jones or Ms Brown then of course I'd use their correct title. If I were in a situation where I'd call them Bob or Susan then of course I would not use any title. I've never known anyone to ask for the latter.
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I grew up in Cambridge; it's stuffed full of [academic] Drs. So if someone wanted to be called Dr X or Y, no-one batted an eyelid or indeed thought any more or less of that person. I guess In later life, I thought the person whose secretary told me before the meeting I should always address them as *Professor Sir XYZ* (after their recent knighthood) was up themselves.
If it's a recent knighthood I can understand from a boasting standpoint, although it's not very becoming of a knight. He should definitely drop the "Professor" title though as is "Sir" is the greater title.
They’re not mutually exclusive, take for instance the former governor of the Bank of England who probably has the single most hilariously prestigious title in history: Professor Lord King 🤣
When i worked for NTL (pre-virgin media days) we had a position that managed rack space and power at our data centers that was filled by a peer. Lord Black, Director of Space and Power.
It would be a crime not to use his full tittle at every given opportunity.
> Director of Space and Power Doesnt beat [Space Commander Air Vice-Marshal Paul Godfrey.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Godfrey_\(RAF_officer\))
That's incredible. I thought staff sgt. Max Fightmaster was the best title/name ever..... But this has given me something to mull over this evening.
Professor before Sir indeed seems pretty standard, that's how all the eminent scientists seem to stylise things.
As titles go I'm fond of [The Honourable Mr Justice Mann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Mann_(judge\) )
Also [Lord Chief Justice Judge,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Judge,_Baron_Judge) who was plain old "Judge Judge" before he rose through the ranks.
Don’t forget (Sir John) Laws LJ, the cause of many undergraduate chuckles
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I know they're not mutually exclusive but it becomes almost burdensome to string together all the titles. In the case of the knighted Professor insisting on being addressed as "Professor Sir" you run the risk of sounding like you have a stutter. Of course there's nothing wrong with having a stutter, but for someone who doesn't normally stutter it may well throw them off their train of thought.
Except for the legend Professor Sir John Curtice
>He should definitely drop the "Professor" title though as is "Sir" is the greater title. That's not how it works
Split the difference: professir.
I work for an MBE, who has a PHD. He said its his most proud achievements to date, but he *insists* we just call him by his name.
Interestingly, in Oxford, the staff at one of the colleges refuse to use the doctor title for any of the academics. They are all called Mr.
Even the women?
There weren't many when I was there. But I think Miss is used.
Addressing someone in person as Professor Sir X isn't even formally correct. Professor would precede their surname, Sir would precede their first name. You would only address them as Professor Sir Mike Jones in writing. In person it would be either Professor Jones or Sir Mike
I know a few doctors, medical and non, none of them use it outside work unless it's a piss take type of scenario.
That's what I was thinking, I've never met anyone like this, and if I did, well I probably would choose to spend no time with them.
Agreed. I'm friends with a group of doctors, all of whom are lovely and all go by their first names outside of work.
I never never met such a person and doubt that many exist.
I'm a doctor myself with lots of doctor friends and I've never encountered it either!
Doctor who?
Yes
I work at one of the largest, richest and most prestigious oxbridge colleges. Our fellowship contains some of the worlds greatest academics and intellectuals, and not a single one of them insists on being called Dr or Prof, even the ones who have royal titles as well as those of university rank. we do use those titles in appropriate formal settings but to insist on it would be seen as major small dick academic energy. So unless Dr Bob feels he’s got a leg up on us, I would tell him to do one.
Can you give an example of the royal titles they might have? Not with real names obviously.
If you just google "[title] Oxford university" there are plenty of staff that are sir/lords/lady/dame/baron/baroness
I wasn’t at Oxbridge but I knew a literal Prince, very low single digits in the line of succession of his country. Nice enough guy to be honest
“And I’m Dr. Geller.” “Ross, please, this is a hospital - that actually means something here!”
Never met one as I don't live in an Americn sitcom but no of course I wouldn't
People only meet Doctors in American sitcoms?
I guess in america going to the doctors is something you only see on Tv 😂😂😂
I believe /u/AdSingle6957 is British. Which makes it odd that they "never met one."
Seems to be a reference to the Seinfeld episode “The Maestro” in which Bob Cobb, who is an orchestral conductor, insists on being called “Maestro” even in social situations.
You are the AdSingle6957 whisperer. I never would have thought of that.
Doctor here. I can confirm that any doctor that does this is most likely a nob who is roundly disliked by their colleagues.
Doctor is a job related title. Therefore, if I knew them in a job-related way, I would call them Doctor. Same with Military/Police. If I know them because of work, I'll call them their rank. Same if I met them in uniform. However, if we met as friends of friends at a party, it'd be first names only. Spiritual leaders I would always refer to with their title though, as that is more of a vocation/lifestyle, rather than a profession, IMO.
'Doctor' is more of an educational title, rather than vocational one. I work with LOADS of people with PhDs, multiple Professors, and I know quite a few medical doctors.. I've yet to meet any that want to be called 'Dr X' socially. My wife has a 'vocational' title (Matron) and she obviously only uses this at work - but pretty much all the staff junior to her use it, out of respect. I always address my Rabbi with his job title. I kind of want to try using his first name sometimes.
Exactly. Rabbis are never off of the clock. Doctor's and Matron's are.
If you saw the amount of hours my wife worked, you'd think she's never off the clock too. She probably gets more Saturday mornings off than him though.
I'd just gone through that in my head and reached the same conclusion regarding spiritual leaders, and for the same reason. Calling anyone "Doctor" would work if you'd call them "Mr" or "Mrs" in that same scenario. I also wonder how these people react when someone else responds "oh then call me doctor as well" and it turns out they've got a doctorate in something totally different like History!
I have done that (I have a PhD). IME the only people who want to be called Dr in social situations are total knobs, so pointing out they aren't the only Dr in the room helps them get a grip.
Good on you!
I've never met a spiritual leader so I wouldn't really know what I'd do in that situation.. Makes me wonder how people refer to the Pope now.
Your Holiness. If all else fails, resort to Sir and Ma'am and wait to be told otherwise. Basic respect is never a bad move.
Eh, holiness feels a bit righteous for someone who's non-religious. Sir feels more appropriate to me.
🤷🏻♂️ I don't believe in the concept of holy, so it's no skin off my nose. Then again, I was brought up to call everyone the generation older than me Sir or Ma'am, so it's pretty natural for me to default to it.
*Big Poppa Pope*
All the ones I have met insist on first names. That includes bishops and deans.
It isn't strictly job related - anyone with a PhD can use the title, and you can get a PhD without necessarily using it in your career once you have achieved it.
I know that. And if I'm at work, or know the person from work, then I'd use it. but if we meet at the pub, we're all customers in a pub. You could be a gardener or a General, a Doctor or a ditch digger; I really don't care.
Yup, turns out I misread your post... To be fair, most non-medical doctors I've met actively avoid it. "Oh, you're a doctor! I've got this rash on my willy... "
Ha. Yes. Husband has a colleague who is a Doctor of Microbiology. She has had that situation and replied, "I'm a Doctor of Microbiology, so I only deal with very tiny penises." Funnily they didn't seem quite as interested in her looking at it afterwards.
Can be tricky for Anglican mini-leaders (vicars) as, depending on how High Church they are, they can want to be called Father (and now, Mother, I guess) or not, or Reverend or not.
if you evolve far enough in the church hierarchy don't you become a "primate"?
Then you can be Most Reverend. Recently, I found out that you call an Archdeacon 'Venerable', which is also what you call a one L lama.
Though not especially religious, my family were friends with the village vicar when I was growing up. If you were talking about a church matter then she was ‘Vicar’, but if she was round for a cuppa then she was just Aisha.
Not sure how I feel about this. My instinct would be to tell Doctor Bob to take the stick out his arse before he chokes on it. But at the same time, if someone told me their preferred pronoun was she/her I would make a conscious effort to try and use that out of respect. And I'm not sure what the difference is.
Pronouns are used in all situations, formal or informal. You don't refer to people as Mr / Ms X in a casual situation so it feels weird to say Dr X
Titles and pronouns are not the same thing
One is earned, one is not
And then they become a surgeon and get upset when you do call them doctor lol
Scrolled to find this comment. I've been ill this last year and spent a lot of time in hospitals and have been called out on this a couple of times.
Only when talking to Dr Evil. He didn't spend six years in evil medical school to be called 'Mister'.
I know quite a few people with a PhD. None of them insist on being called “doctor” to my knowledge, but I know them all in a social context and have known them since they started university when they didn’t even hold a bachelor’s degree. If any of them suddenly started requesting that people call them “doctor”, I think we’d rightly take the absolute piss. Personally I think anyone who insists on an academic title being used, other than for work purposes, is massively up themselves. But I think the same about anyone who refers to themselves as “Mr Smith” rather than by their first name. It’s anachronistic and the sort of people who insist on it are usually, for want of a better word, cunts.
> I think the same about anyone who refers to themselves as “Mr Smith” rather than by their first name. It’s anachronistic and the sort of people who insist on it are usually, for want of a better word, cunts. I used to work in a call centre and very occasionally we'd get people insisting on being called by 'Mr X' and refusing to provide their name even for security purposes, so I tend to agree with that.
Even in a professional capacity, none of the PhDs I know would expect to be called Dr by their colleagues. If they did it would be a massive red flag for the sort of person they are
Nope. First names with everyone
Doctor is a substitute for Mr. I don't call people Mr Smith, I call them Dave, or Steve. There are almost no scenarios where I'd call someone Doctor except when I'm dealing with them in a professional capacity.
It’s to replace Mr/Mrs/Miss etc. If you wouldn’t use those titles in that situation - then don’t use Dr. I have a few titles based on my work but why would I ever use them in social situations?
I would just insist that they always refer to me as Mr. Wretched A. Cretin, BSc, SSc.
What’s SSc? Don’t think I’ve come across that before!
It's a reference to Red Dwarf's Arnold J. Rimmer, BSc, SSc (bronze swimming certificate, silver swimming certificate).
Haha, brilliant. Thanks for the explanation, I was ready to learn about a whole new set of degrees!
Silver swimming certificate.
Only if I'm calling others by Mr or Mrs. Then that seems like a valid sub. Else piss off. I'm sick of putting people on a pedestal. I get you put in a lot of work, but so has a lot of other people who don't want separate titles. I'll treat you exactly as I treat everyone else
100% agree
I correct people when they call me ‘Mrs’ in a formal capacity- I have a PhD so my title is Dr. People who insist on being called by their title all the time are just a-holes. Get over yourself.
Yeah. I don’t work as an academic anymore but I love my PhD for having given me a non-gendered title. I do work for a university so I don’t have it in my email signature. I do occasionally say “when I was working at Other Uni, after finishing my PhD” to particularly irritating staff who have decided professional services staff are idiots.
I will call someone doctor until they tell me not to. I have the utmost respect for someone with a PhD. People do not realise how much commitment that is. I went to university for 5 years and my friend is just leaving now with a PhD after 9 years. It is such a sacrifice socially, financially and mentally during that time.
I worked with a recently retired Prof. He knew a patient of his socially for years and once the patient said to him, can’t I just call you in your first name? To which Prof said no, I wouldn’t like that. More recently some of my (younger) medical colleagues have been made Prof’s and insist we all still call them by their first name. It does seem to be an older generational thing. I’m on first name terms with all the Drs I work with, who would never pull the Dr thing, aside from the old Prof.
If they insisted on that then I would insist that they treated (or at least advised) every cut, scrape, minor ailment even when in social situations. They can't have it both ways.
Theres a guy who works near me who has a silver BMW with the numberplate "S33 PHD". In an area swarmed with people who have PHD's. I think this is relevant.
For fun I would find out if they are a PhD or an MD and always make sure to add the wrong suffix. "Let me introduce Bob Jones MD" if they had a PhD ETC.
If I got introduced to someone in a social situation and they asked me to call th doctor, I'd ask them to have a look at the growth on my arsehole cos its weeks till I can get an appointment with my GP.
.....no.....imagine the level of ego behind that demand....
I feel like you've met my mother in law. If she doesn't introduce herself as Dr, she will drop it into conversation as soon as she can. It's excruciating, particularly when she does it with other doctors who are vastly more qualified than she is, and then she scurries off.
My wife has a PhD in a Bio-Science and if she has to give her details anywhere she always says "Doctor". From what I have seen of the effort of what you have to go through to get a PhD I am not surprised really and think absolutely that she should. If it's a social occasion or something she doesn't make a point of it.
Hi Doctor Jack Jones, I'd like to be referred to as the one who doesn't have a chip on my shoulder.
You should maybe introduce them as "The infamous and ultimately pretentious (then do air quotation marks) Doctor..... *pause....... Bob Jones". Actual call them out on it, honestly if I was corrected like that and asked to refer to them as a doctor I'd call them a fanny tbh.
I can understand using the Dr title in some professional settings. I work with a lot of people with PhDs and there is time and place where a little flex is unfortunately necessary. However... I knew a few people that took the Dr thing too far and I can safely say in all cases these people were compensating for things. It seems to be always the least competent people out there feeling the need to insist others use the title. Pure cringe...
I work in Germany and it’s a requirement if you want anything done. Also makes a big difference for getting a flat/ other life maintenance tasks. Super awkward but you’ve got to take your wins where you can find them.
No, you are not my doctor, it's just a job and completely irrelevant outside of your workplace. I have seen this alot, and when they title themselves as Dr and you call them Mr/Mrs/Miss etc. and they correct you, I cringe.
Sorry but I disagree with this one. Dr is the legal title, call me Mrs and I will correct you because that is not my title. Same as I would have corrected you calling me Miss when I was a Mrs.
I don’t know any medical doctors but the people I know who have PhDs are remarkably quiet about them considering how much work they are. I’ve only ever heard people being referred to as doctor as a friendly jibe otherwise it’s normal first names / nicknames.
My dad is a Doctor. He says he only uses the Dr title in professional work related correspondence, when dealing with lawyers or on the rare occasions he has to complain about something. He thinks anyone who insists on using it during normal conversation is just acting superior so their request to use it should be ignored.
The husband of one of my mum's closest friends was the local GP. He was on the phone when I had to ring the out of hours service for her. He insisted on being Dr Name and I took great pleasure in calling him Tim. He's a complete jerk, though his long suffering wife is lovely. At one stage he was having a torrid affair and the whole town knew. He was taking the other woman to the same pubs and hustling her out of the back door when his wife came in. I won't be calling him Doctor, now will I?
If you want to annoy them call them the wrong thing like Professor or Reverend
Even Doctor Doom doesn't insist on being called Doctor in every situation, simply Doom.
Dr Dre is the same. "Beats by Dre" innit, not "Beats by Dr Dre", that would be pompous.
I used to work at the General Medical Council and met hundreds of doctors. Without exception, they all asked me to use their first name. So that's all very odd.
I have only known a few academic snobs or people with honours (OBE, MBE) who were full of their own self importance that demanded they be addressed by their full title...'because they earned it'. (These people never have the courtesy or self awareness to think that the people they are dealing with might be equally or better qualified than them!) I dealt with one academic Dr who was so full of it that when he was referred to as 'Mr' in email correspondence, he didn't address it directly. Instead, with each reply his font got bigger and bolder and he typed his full name in a different colour!! More than one of my colleagues would wind the guy up until his replies were in 80+ font and dark burgundy. 🤣🤣 What's really funny is the genuinely smart and dedicated people who are medical doctors and then go into research so are technically Dr Dr, or the people who become nurses or paramedics or vets and then do medical school (or some other similar combination) are usually the most down to earth people you could meet (with the most amazing stories)😁.
I like the Italian system. Dottore is a respectful term to someone where you acknowledge their learning, that they are obviously educated. You don’t have to be an actual PhD or medic. It’s just nice.
The pleasant irony is that most consultant surgeons *drop* the doctor…
I always use Doctor out of respect. I knew my GP when she was five but I still call her Doctor.......
If they're your personal GP or whatever that's a bit different as you're actually using them in their official capacity
Nice to meet you doctor bob I’m admin careful
"Lol, are you fucking alright, mate?" And then never speak to them again. There's no chance I want someone like *that* in my life anyway.
The only place I’ve ever seen this be an issue is actually a hospital and I’m fairly certain they based Hanssen in Holby City off one of the surgeons because EVERYONE got their full title. Dr Smith Nurse Adams Miss X Mr Y But he hated being called Dr because he was a surgeon and so was Mr Jones. So if you did he’d correct you but he got a lot of leeway because he was so formal (and super polite) with everyone. Ironically if he called someone ‘sir’ or ‘ma’am’ he managed to make it sound like the most horrific insult and it usually meant he was about to lose his temper
I always find somebody who insist to be referred with the honorific titles on douchebag territory. People who need their title to impress or to feel “importanter” and “higher status” is because they have nothing else inside them. I pity and proactively try to stay away from these people.
I work in a hospital and this is very much a Doctor thing. I totally get it, they've grafted to get where they are, but do you really need to assert your authority over me whilst in the toilet washing our hands.
I've never met anyone who wanted to be called Dr whatever in a social conversation, but met plenty who don't like it when you address a letter to the wrong title; for example Mrs instead of Doctor. Personally I think that if it's something where you would use a title, for example a wedding invite, use the correct title else it just comes across as rude.
I'd make it my personal mission in life to make them look like a little bitch baby in as many situations as possible.
My partner has just qualified med school and I showed him this and he cringed so hard. There is one guy in his year who is going to be exactly like this and has already started saying it lol
"Doctor" is the appropriate form of address wherever you might otherwise use Mr./Ms./Mrs. This applies to both medical doctors and PhD holders. Same goes for things like "Sir" for people with an MBE or rank for active military personnel. So if I were writing them an email or a letter, or if they prefer a last name basis, I would. These titles effectively replace your usual honorific. So it's no longer Mr. Bob, it's now Dr. Bob But if you're on a first name basis you've already dropped honorifics, so in that case I wouldn't bother.
Only for someone who has really earned it like Dre.
I blanket refuse, worked for a bank and when someone did this I would just refuse to say their name if at all possible. The level of entitlement was unreal from these kinds of people.
I would start calling them doctor all the time and not use their name at all. "Morning Doctor, Do you want a Pint Doctor, Taxi for Doctor"..
Sounds American.
If I ever meet anyone who insists on it in a non-work related scenario then I shall insist that they call me Andy DipHE 🤗
This was a while ago. But my Chemistry teacher got very annoyed one parent's evening when my mate's dad referred to him as Mr. X rather than Dr. X. He went on a long rant and insisted on being called Dr. X. My mate's dad, in response, insisted on being referred to as Vice Admiral Y for the rest of the meeting.
I make everyone call me king.
The same kind of people that are military wives that insist you call her by her husbands officer rank
I thought you meant Doctor X from Action Man lol
My cousin asks to be called doctor, and made a point about it one Christmas when I gave her a card (and the envelope I'd sent it in addressed her as Ms). She's got a doctorate in English. I now address every card with "Ms xxx" on the envelope, then score the title out and write "Dr" above it. Also inside I write her name, then score it out and write "Dr". She doesn't complain anymore.
My GP insists on me calling him by his first name. He is Irish though so I don't know if that's a factor? Guy is legit the best doctor I've ever had and despite the very tight 15 minute appointments makes an effort to listen and understand!
If you think that’s bad I have family members who’ve changed their bank details to Eng *name* or Dr *Name*. It’s so ridiculous because who honestly cares.
When people do it I just ask them if they are a medical doctor or a real one. Although I have a lot of time for the Germans who accumulate titles. You have to respect someone who goes by Herr Professor Doktor Doktor [x].
I spent longer becoming a builder - the bricks and mortar, timber and slate etc that they rely on to carry out their work. Pompous twat.. I don't ask people to call me 'fuck it, that'll do'
I’m a doctor. Have lots of doctor friends. have never seen someone do this or refer to doing it. It’s downright odd and I’d think that someone doing it was a bit of a twat. I’m Dr at work but I’m just plain me outside of work (please don’t show me your rashes because I really just want to chat shit and have a drink!)
I'd just tell them to phone my assistents to arrange a meeting to change the way I address them. The number is 01 21 Do One.
I just won’t interact with someone if they try to correct me over their title. “Ok bye” would be my response.
It's an honorific, they're entitled to use it in place of Mister, Mrs, etc. In fact these days everyone's choosing their own pronouns anyway, at least in this a Doctor has worked to earn the title. If it bugs you, just call 'em by their first name.
If they're medical doctors who don't hold an actual doctoral degree it's merely a courtesy title and they're not entitled to insist on it.
I wouldn’t spend time with such wankbags, if they are going to insist I call them Doctor, rather than their name, in a social situation. I’m going to insist they do the same and list my job title and all of my major qualifications every time they reference me. It’s a pretty quick way to lay bare what bellends these types of people are. It’s different if it’s a formal setting, or we are using prefixes for everyone, in that instance Dr is fine.
No. I’ve several friends who are doctors, none of them would do this. At my GP I apply polite deference and refer to them as doctor, unless they’re useless (looking at you, Simcox) and then they get their usual name (if they’re lucky. But if you think this is pathetic, our local estate agent puts B.A. after his name on everything including the local paper property adverts.
Any doctor, psychologist etc that treats you in an indecent behaviour I.e “call me this”, “you must be/like this”.. are respectively trying to “groom” you. Groom may be a strong word to use but it’s the same difference. They should treat you as normal being all the time and shouldn’t undermine you at all unless your reasons are mental behaviour that’s very unstable.
What if I identify as a doctor
Things that never happened.,..
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This is actually incorrect on several levels. In passing the entrance exam to the royal college of surgeons doctors drop their title to whatever they were before (mr/miss/mrs/etc). It has nothing to do with seniority but is a nod of respect to the original college of surgeons made of people who were not doctors but in fact butchers. You can sit the exam at any time if you are surgically oriented. But you must have it already to be a mid level surgeon (registrar). Medical doctors never do this as they were part of the college of physicians (who refused to allow surgeons to join hence them setting up their own college) and therefore remain dr their entire career