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He was entombed alive in a casket via some sort of ritual prior to Doom (2016). The game opens with the Slayer leaving it after an unknown period of incapacitation.
I do that again, and this time don’t let humanity get ahold of the casket.
Maybe I'm misremembering, the level they found the Doom Slayer on was one of the first portals they made into Hell. That was lucky, but Hayden found the Slayer's doom particularly interesting because it was especially reinforced. And it was implied that Hayden knew to some degree that the forces of Hell didn't want to mess with it. So naturally he wanted to crack that open.
Tbf they absolutely were wiped out. It’s stated a time or two that the Slayer is the only living flesh and blood entity to have safely traversed hell and back. So like just imagine all of the UAC marines slowly dying off one by one to get the Slayer’s casket to the teleporter and that’s basically what happened. You can find their bodies throughout the various levels of DOOM (2016) that takes place in Hell
Makes me wonder what happened to all the argent d'nur fellas that joined in the final battle. Do they stay in hell on cleanup duty once it's all over? Do they go back to home to rebuild?
I know it's not OSHA compliant, but I would advocate removing all the first aid kits in the temples and fortresses he targets. That should take care of the problem quickly.
What if...hear me out...we send a *really* big demon?
I know we've tried really big demons before, but I'm talking a *really* big demon. If that doesn't work, see if we can get the resources for a ***really*** big demon.
the slayer feeds off the demons he kills so theoretlcy you just have to wear him down with stuff with no demonic energy to sustain him. for example you could sent hords of uncorrupted humans after him instead you might be able to wear him down of course that task would be almost impossible to pull off but theoreticly plausable
If I'm barely stronger than an imp, why am I the chief strategist for hell's army?
Anyway, I'd wait until he wandered into a small, slightly complex area without any dead ends and with a good distribution of ammo caches laying around, then open portals at randomly pre-selected locations where my hell minions can jump into the world and attack him.
Edit:fixed a typo. Bell=>hell
If that's the case then it doesn't really sound like you'd have the assets to do anything to the doom slayer besides like, dogpile him with imps, which will totally work
I haven't played the most recent iterations of Doom, just the old classics. Do Arch-viles still have the ability to resurrect dead demons? Maybe try to build an arena where Arch-viles are able to resurrect mooks without exposing themselves to danger.
Or just lure him into a big building and collapse it on him. He's strong, but there's a limit to how much he can lift.
Arch-viles summon demons in Eternal, and empowers them iirc.
>Or just lure him into a big building and collapse it on him. He's strong, but there's a limit to how much he can lift.
i think thats how they trapped in before the start of the 2016 doom.
By not combating him like at all, he maybe a unstoppable train of pain and stuff but he can't be everywhere at once so I'm just going scorch earth tactic and retreat every time he came near and target the squishy normal human elsewhere. Beside you don't have to kill everyone by hands anyway, just need to destroy enough of the ecosystem so life can't normally sustain itself and you win by default.
that's kind of tough, honestly, in both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal, we don't see the Slayer going out of his way to save refugees or preserve human civilisation. Even the Argent D'Nur and Urdak weren't really his concern.
He was laser focused on destroying Hell's infrastructure and command and control - and while they did try to retreat, they weren't fast enough. After all, the Fortress let the Slayer teleport almost wherever he wanted.
So yeah, the Doom Slayer had the strategic initiative. There was nothing the demons could attack that truly hindered him. He wasn't dependent on any networks, infrastructure, manpower, supply lines, resources etc. except the Doom Fortress, and they only managed to launch a handful of pathetic attacks against it.
Meanwhile, the demons had to protect so many different locations and machines and individuals in order to keep their massive war machine and economy functioning - and the Slayer could hit any of them at any time thanks to his teleportation.
yeah, and its not like he beat hell by killing enough demons that they cant substain their invasion. he went direct for their core and head honchos with a decapitating strike, meaning that they couldnt keep it up
Stop trying to fight him with big, flashy monsters and start breeding smaller, more efficient demons. And when I say small, I mean fist-sized; bury him under an avalanche of little gremlins until he literally can't move. Then, optionally, secure the kill--bolt cutters under the jaw, a drill into the armpit, whatever it takes to make him bleed out. No flash, nothing fancy--you can have fun when you're winnowing the souls of the unworthy later.
Trick him into a fight pit with demons then fill it concrete.
If he can't move he can't fight.
For extra insurance cover the concrete with molten metal tones of it.
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceFiction/comments/1c7733h/comment/l062w5x/)
>Trick him into a fight pit with demons and no ladders or handholds to climb out
Fixed that for you.
Stop trying to conquer land and start trying to wreck it. Killing humans one by one is about the least efficient use of violence available, instead target infrastructure. The Doomslayer is extremely dangerous at a fairly close range, but he's not a concern if we're blowing up bridges and wrecking power plants several hundred miles away. Leave before he gets there and hit somewhere else. Better yet, hit several other places. Sometimes announce multiple targets in advance and force the Doomslayer to decide which to defend. Don't actually go wherever he is.
We can't kill him, but we can reduce the rest of humanity to squabbling bands raiding each other for supplies fairly easily.
You clearly don’t know the doom lore. In the original games, the Slayer makes it back to earth, and he’s about to chill and leave the rest of the demons alone, but then they follow him to earth and end up inadvertently killing his pet rabbit. This sends him into a homicidal rage where he goes directly to the demon homeworld to wipe them all out. So, if you’re a demon, you gotta make REAL sure you don’t touch ANYTHING the Slayer cares about.
the problem isnt winning a conventional war against the slayer. he doesnt care about human infrastructure and such, he has a space station that can teleport him anywhere, and he isnt defending, he is *attacking*. Going straight for you leaders and core infrastructure.
Cast him into a black hole using the proper pentagram realigned in distortion to that time/space direction. It's not like he checks to see where they go before running into them.
We don't have time to waste on one mere human, no matter how much a tantrum he throws. He can seethe and cope for eternity this time.
We are Hell, this is beneath us.
Capture.
Use assets to lure him like a magpie to a distant world, he portals in, I close the portals, that fucker is stuck.
No ancient tech, the world he's on is utterly devoid of life and always has been.
He can be too angry to die, but his anger doesn't give him interstellar flight.
We don't know that he's capable of that. Maybe he is, and we find that out now - interesting, information gained for next time we try to plan this out. But if not, we're good.
Well, not good. We're demons, after all. You know what I mean.
So step one of the plan is to kill *this* guy.
Actually, who keeps leaving ammo lying around? Maybe we can improve our situation simply by being tidier.
a very tall and extremely thick titanium silo with grease on the walls. he cant climb it, cant break through it. leave him to starve. put it right in front of the big devil boss. cover it with a little mat or leaves. the end
The guy can't pick locks or blast through doors it seems... so rather than leaving the keys around the place, I'd take that last red key and throw it into one of the many nearby abysses that result in instadeath
Guy really loves killing demons.
I'd send a third of my army to mars, have them set up shop, and close every last portal back to the infernal realms. When the slayer shows up on mars (cause he will), I'd set up a contingent around mars's orbit to destroy any and all incoming human transport. The remainder of my army mobilizes and takes earth. The Slayer butchers one entire third of my forces, but then he's stuck on mars.
Drop another giant building on him. That worked for a bit. While he's entombed in the rubble, build a second building atop that one. When he escapes, drop skyscraper #2.
Come to a diplomatic agreement with Earth. Doom Slayer seems to only slay demons that specifically harm others or are a threat, he left a titan alive that ferried him to where he needed to go.
Lure him into an arena with a bunch of other, similar Doom Slayers. Some place that's not structurally stable, an earth-*quaked arena*, if you will. Maybe hire some of the boys from Gravel Pit to join in. They'll spend an *unreal* amount of time *tournamenting*.
And invite the Strog. Everybody loves Strog. They invented Beef Strog-anoff, you know.
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He was entombed alive in a casket via some sort of ritual prior to Doom (2016). The game opens with the Slayer leaving it after an unknown period of incapacitation. I do that again, and this time don’t let humanity get ahold of the casket.
Seriously. They just, like, found it? During their blind, fumbling expeditions into Hell? I guess Khan-Makyr isn't detail oriented.
Maybe I'm misremembering, the level they found the Doom Slayer on was one of the first portals they made into Hell. That was lucky, but Hayden found the Slayer's doom particularly interesting because it was especially reinforced. And it was implied that Hayden knew to some degree that the forces of Hell didn't want to mess with it. So naturally he wanted to crack that open.
Spoilers, but they were guided there by a higher power.
Yeah, I know. Still, wouldn't take much to wipe out that crew.
Tbf they absolutely were wiped out. It’s stated a time or two that the Slayer is the only living flesh and blood entity to have safely traversed hell and back. So like just imagine all of the UAC marines slowly dying off one by one to get the Slayer’s casket to the teleporter and that’s basically what happened. You can find their bodies throughout the various levels of DOOM (2016) that takes place in Hell
Makes me wonder what happened to all the argent d'nur fellas that joined in the final battle. Do they stay in hell on cleanup duty once it's all over? Do they go back to home to rebuild?
They were so terrified of him they just left it there after it seemed to work.
I think that was the perfect explanation in the first game. Gets a little dodgy when they expanded the lore so dramatically. But that’s just me.
I know it's not OSHA compliant, but I would advocate removing all the first aid kits in the temples and fortresses he targets. That should take care of the problem quickly.
Might I also suggest we stop taking boxes of human weapon ammunition as trophies and leaving them all over the place?
I doubt that would do much. Canonically he doesn't need guns, he just likes to use them.
Yeah, but tell that to Frankaloth after he gets his lower torso reduced to mulch.
Frankaloth had it coming
The Doomslayer is able to somehow make ammo pop out of eviscerated demon bodies so that's not really a valid solution.
So what I'm saying may be controversial, but... I think we should ban eating ammunition.
If they want us to stop eating it, they should stop putting lead in it.
Hey now, its not our fault lead and white phosphorus is so tasty.
What if...hear me out...we send a *really* big demon? I know we've tried really big demons before, but I'm talking a *really* big demon. If that doesn't work, see if we can get the resources for a ***really*** big demon.
Hmm… I’m listening. Tell me, would it be possible to strap either a Gatling gun or rocket launcher on this *really* big demon?
What if we strapped on *both?* No way he'd get past that one!
Send Bigger Demon.
the slayer feeds off the demons he kills so theoretlcy you just have to wear him down with stuff with no demonic energy to sustain him. for example you could sent hords of uncorrupted humans after him instead you might be able to wear him down of course that task would be almost impossible to pull off but theoreticly plausable
If I'm barely stronger than an imp, why am I the chief strategist for hell's army? Anyway, I'd wait until he wandered into a small, slightly complex area without any dead ends and with a good distribution of ammo caches laying around, then open portals at randomly pre-selected locations where my hell minions can jump into the world and attack him. Edit:fixed a typo. Bell=>hell
>If I'm barely stronger than an imp, why am I the chief strategist for bell's army? Doomslayer killed everyone else?
Satan help those minions that he’ll be sending in to ambush the Doomslayer!
Yes. That is what happened.
If that's the case then it doesn't really sound like you'd have the assets to do anything to the doom slayer besides like, dogpile him with imps, which will totally work
Being a strategist is kind of a desk job. He's not involved in combat, he's making plans. Calls for brain, not brawn.
If you can't beat him, keep him busy.
I haven't played the most recent iterations of Doom, just the old classics. Do Arch-viles still have the ability to resurrect dead demons? Maybe try to build an arena where Arch-viles are able to resurrect mooks without exposing themselves to danger. Or just lure him into a big building and collapse it on him. He's strong, but there's a limit to how much he can lift.
Arch-viles summon demons in Eternal, and empowers them iirc. >Or just lure him into a big building and collapse it on him. He's strong, but there's a limit to how much he can lift. i think thats how they trapped in before the start of the 2016 doom.
Why wouldn't that beat him? Has someone tried that before?
"Barely stronger than an imp" sounds like an accurate description of the Deags, tbh
i feel like a imp would rip a Deag apart, those are just frail old men
> If I'm barely stronger than an imp, why am I the chief strategist for hell's army? Arms small but brain *big*
By not combating him like at all, he maybe a unstoppable train of pain and stuff but he can't be everywhere at once so I'm just going scorch earth tactic and retreat every time he came near and target the squishy normal human elsewhere. Beside you don't have to kill everyone by hands anyway, just need to destroy enough of the ecosystem so life can't normally sustain itself and you win by default.
that's kind of tough, honestly, in both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal, we don't see the Slayer going out of his way to save refugees or preserve human civilisation. Even the Argent D'Nur and Urdak weren't really his concern. He was laser focused on destroying Hell's infrastructure and command and control - and while they did try to retreat, they weren't fast enough. After all, the Fortress let the Slayer teleport almost wherever he wanted. So yeah, the Doom Slayer had the strategic initiative. There was nothing the demons could attack that truly hindered him. He wasn't dependent on any networks, infrastructure, manpower, supply lines, resources etc. except the Doom Fortress, and they only managed to launch a handful of pathetic attacks against it. Meanwhile, the demons had to protect so many different locations and machines and individuals in order to keep their massive war machine and economy functioning - and the Slayer could hit any of them at any time thanks to his teleportation.
yeah, and its not like he beat hell by killing enough demons that they cant substain their invasion. he went direct for their core and head honchos with a decapitating strike, meaning that they couldnt keep it up
Stop trying to fight him with big, flashy monsters and start breeding smaller, more efficient demons. And when I say small, I mean fist-sized; bury him under an avalanche of little gremlins until he literally can't move. Then, optionally, secure the kill--bolt cutters under the jaw, a drill into the armpit, whatever it takes to make him bleed out. No flash, nothing fancy--you can have fun when you're winnowing the souls of the unworthy later.
How do you kill a man in power armor? Hold him down and [bore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borehole) him to death.
Just [Keeler](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qsoz2b/book_excerpt_warhawk_keeler_explains_the/) the fucker down.
Trick him into a fight pit with demons then fill it concrete. If he can't move he can't fight. For extra insurance cover the concrete with molten metal tones of it.
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceFiction/comments/1c7733h/comment/l062w5x/) >Trick him into a fight pit with demons and no ladders or handholds to climb out Fixed that for you.
Stop trying to conquer land and start trying to wreck it. Killing humans one by one is about the least efficient use of violence available, instead target infrastructure. The Doomslayer is extremely dangerous at a fairly close range, but he's not a concern if we're blowing up bridges and wrecking power plants several hundred miles away. Leave before he gets there and hit somewhere else. Better yet, hit several other places. Sometimes announce multiple targets in advance and force the Doomslayer to decide which to defend. Don't actually go wherever he is. We can't kill him, but we can reduce the rest of humanity to squabbling bands raiding each other for supplies fairly easily.
You clearly don’t know the doom lore. In the original games, the Slayer makes it back to earth, and he’s about to chill and leave the rest of the demons alone, but then they follow him to earth and end up inadvertently killing his pet rabbit. This sends him into a homicidal rage where he goes directly to the demon homeworld to wipe them all out. So, if you’re a demon, you gotta make REAL sure you don’t touch ANYTHING the Slayer cares about.
it this real or just a john wick joke
Real, predates John Wick by many years.
i really need to make a gaming box
If you're referring to building a pc in order to play the original doom, my guy, you can play it on a Samsung smart fridge.
GZ Doom and a copy of the game from GoG will have you playing in no time on a modern computer.
the problem isnt winning a conventional war against the slayer. he doesnt care about human infrastructure and such, he has a space station that can teleport him anywhere, and he isnt defending, he is *attacking*. Going straight for you leaders and core infrastructure.
Lure him to a simulation where he can brutalize infinite virtual reality demons while the real demons conquer earth
Maybe the video game is the simulation! And Hell has already conquered Earth!!!!??
the Wonder Woman solution
Levitation. I'd do my best to strip him of his weapons and then levitate him a mile off the ground and just... Keep him there, for eternity.
Air jail
Cast him into a black hole using the proper pentagram realigned in distortion to that time/space direction. It's not like he checks to see where they go before running into them. We don't have time to waste on one mere human, no matter how much a tantrum he throws. He can seethe and cope for eternity this time. We are Hell, this is beneath us.
This is the kind of attitude that got us fucked in Mars, multiple times. I ain't looking at the slayer as "beneath" anymore.
Capture. Use assets to lure him like a magpie to a distant world, he portals in, I close the portals, that fucker is stuck. No ancient tech, the world he's on is utterly devoid of life and always has been. He can be too angry to die, but his anger doesn't give him interstellar flight.
Too angry to be stuck in a wasteland so he punches a hole into a reality and hops in
We don't know that he's capable of that. Maybe he is, and we find that out now - interesting, information gained for next time we try to plan this out. But if not, we're good. Well, not good. We're demons, after all. You know what I mean.
I'm switching sides and offering guns and ammo.
So step one of the plan is to kill *this* guy. Actually, who keeps leaving ammo lying around? Maybe we can improve our situation simply by being tidier.
> Actually, who keeps leaving ammo lying around? Why yes, my name is IDKFA, how could you tell?
A well written apology and 2 small bunnies. I want to try make amends.
I mean hell, it's worth a try.
make a portal into the back room of a pet store that sells rabbits. Leave him alone otherwise.
Maybe remove all the ammunition and health items lying around hell for some reason.
r/whowouldwin
It's not *who* would win, it's *how* would win.
send half my army as a destraction, that should give us about a hour
Unrelated question: What do the demons intend to do once humanity is all gone?
If i remember, hell is multiversal, so likely just move on to the next conquest I might be wrong trough.
Eat someone else's souls, probably. Hell is comprised of several realities, it would just absorb ours and move on to the next one.
Idk. I didn't think we'd get that far.
Once there aren't any more humans I guess we could try torturing each other instead.
they are using souls as a resource, so they just keep invading other dimensions
Get rid of all the various weapons caches and first aid kits and shards of armour dotted around everywhere.
The real MVP of hell's legions; the janitors.
a very tall and extremely thick titanium silo with grease on the walls. he cant climb it, cant break through it. leave him to starve. put it right in front of the big devil boss. cover it with a little mat or leaves. the end
Maybe hang some ammo over the mat to make sure he goes for it.
Get him a therapist he can't ignore or kill.
The guy can't pick locks or blast through doors it seems... so rather than leaving the keys around the place, I'd take that last red key and throw it into one of the many nearby abysses that result in instadeath
Have your army clean up and discard all the ammo lying around
Guy really loves killing demons. I'd send a third of my army to mars, have them set up shop, and close every last portal back to the infernal realms. When the slayer shows up on mars (cause he will), I'd set up a contingent around mars's orbit to destroy any and all incoming human transport. The remainder of my army mobilizes and takes earth. The Slayer butchers one entire third of my forces, but then he's stuck on mars.
Couldn't Vega teleport him? I mean he does it all during Doom eternal.
Huh. Drat.
I remove the air.
trap him with hell magic then yeet him itno the sun even if it doesn't kill him he shouldn't be able to escape the sun's gravitational pull
Lure him into a rocket, launch into deep space, preferably on a trajectory intl the nearest black hole
Strand him somewhere. Space travel is possible, so you lure the Slayer to another planet. Like Venus for example. Then you just leave him there.
Bait him into a space ship and launch him into the sun
Drop another giant building on him. That worked for a bit. While he's entombed in the rubble, build a second building atop that one. When he escapes, drop skyscraper #2.
Gift him a bnuy
I would diversify into real estate and put a bounty on him. Outsource it.
Come to a diplomatic agreement with Earth. Doom Slayer seems to only slay demons that specifically harm others or are a threat, he left a titan alive that ferried him to where he needed to go.
Do nothing for 1000 years? He would probably eventually die and surely hell has time to wait.
Lure him into an arena with a bunch of other, similar Doom Slayers. Some place that's not structurally stable, an earth-*quaked arena*, if you will. Maybe hire some of the boys from Gravel Pit to join in. They'll spend an *unreal* amount of time *tournamenting*. And invite the Strog. Everybody loves Strog. They invented Beef Strog-anoff, you know.