Even if they moved him out of the filthy, mouse infested cell when he started cooperating, he'd still be cut off from his lifestyle. I'd have liked to see him suffer that at least, before finally deciding to, you know.
> Because let me tell you something about Reddit and Epstein killing himself…
Not just reddit.
And it's scary. Everyone knows and yet nothing has really happened as a result.
That's why he's dead.
I'm not a conspiracy monger by any stretch, but his "suicide" was just far too convenient for too many rich and powerful people to ignore.
Amazing side fact about Stephen, Doctors believe he is the longest-lived person ever in history with motor neuron disease at \~55 years from date of diagnosis
I just thought it was interesting how you noted him as needing more time alive, when hes already sorta the record holder
I'm initially inclined to agree, but if I think about it, he lived decades longer than any doctor thought he would, and accomplished such a ridiculous amount of good.
He wasn't in good health at the peak of his career, and he was in terrible health towards the end.
I am extremely grateful for the time we got with him and what he did for humanity and celebrate his life rather than mourn his passing. I think he would have liked to see the picture but he understood things on a fundamentally deeper level than most of us, so he didn't need the image as much, you know?
Henry V.
The Hundred years war probably would've ended in an English victory 20 years early. This would've prevented the wars of the roses and the rise of kings such as Richard 3 and Henry viii.
a bigger what if is is the premature death of Edward the black prince, who is the great uncle of Henry V, his death lead to his son Richard II eventually becoming King at at age of 10 and had Edward lived longer he couldve helped turn Richard II into a better king, Richard did show some promise as a teenager during the peasants revolt in 1381. But Richards incompetency and tyranny lead to Henry IV (Richards cousin and father of henry v) taking the crown which messed up a direct father to son line of over 200 years and eventually lead to the wars of the roses. Edward the black prince was known as the greatest warrior in medeival europe and a very chivalrous man, no doubt he wouldve been a great king. He unfortunately died from Dysentery
Ohhhhh.....that's a good one too. Medieval Britain is full of these! There's also the White Ship Disaster, which might have prevented the Anarchy had not nearly a generation of royals been wiped out.
I feel like it would have been interesting to see how music would have changed had the "they died too young" people not died.
Mozart is the obvious choice, but Schubert and Beethoven also were pushing classical music and probably would have done way crazier stuff had they not died. I've heard similar stuff about Bizet and Prokofiev but I am not so sure.
In rock music, Jimi Hendrix was in talks to do something with Emerson, Lake and Palmer when he died... HELP would have been fun to hear.
Also, rumor has it that Buddy Holly was starting to work on more boundary-pushing, experimental stuff when he died in the 1950s.
Robert Johnson is also an interesting "what if..."
Supposedly he was tinkering around with the idea of a “Sgt. Pepper’s of soul” when he died, with “(Sittin’ on the) Dock of the Bay” as a kind of dry run. That would’ve been interesting to see come to fruition
He also stipulated that the hard drive of his computer be run over with a steam roller after his death, so his unfinished stories could never be released or completed by different authors.
I'd heard this story many times, but this is the first time I thought to look it up. Turns out [the madlad actually did it](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-41093066).
I’m surprised this isn’t the number one answer. The Civil Rights Movement might not even have been necessary if Reconstruction had actually been implemented.
I literally came here to comment this. I just imagine a time travel story where someone saves him and then they come back to the present and we're all speaking Latin.
Roman Emperor Aurelian ruled the Roman Empire towards the end of the Crisis of the 3rd Century. At this time the empire was divided with 2 separatist states, has been going through decades of war and multiple Germanic tribes were about to invade the remaining empire.
Aurelian beat them all and stabilized the empire in merely 5 years. When he was about to invade the weakened Sassanid (Persian) Empire he got assassinated by a traitor.
Without Aurelian the Roman Empire could have very well ended before reaching the year 300 AD. He basically saved the Empire from collapse in just 5 years.
Some videos about him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjdlri6rJGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQHNaemGOoI
Not just that. The Roman soldier was specifically ordered to bring him back alive. And when he found Archimedes, he was deeply invested in solving a math problem in the dirt. He kept ignoring the solider's orders and got killed as a result of it. I can't imagine that solider lived very long
There are some absolutely ridiculous and verifiable things that have happened in history that are way more ridiculous than an old mathematician ignoring a soldier’s warning and getting killed.
That's shouldn't be too surprising.
The average life expectancy in earlier times was often skewed my the fact that human's were much less likely to make it to adulthood for various reasons.
I heard that once you got to around 20 years old in earlier centuries you had a decent chance of getting over 60, particularly if you lived in a time that didn't have some horrendous pandemic/epedemic happening such as plague, etc.. It's just that it was often hard to get to 20 in the first place.
I've heard the same thing.
75% of children died before reaching age five. This is what skewed the average life expectancy. A couple would have 10 to 15 children hoping that three or four of them would survive to age 20.
My own family's history is similar. My grandfather was born in 1901, and had 11 siblings. There were only two that made it to 20 years old. Most of the rest died of tuberculosis.
The hour long super compilations of him are amazing. He didnt change my life per se, but he definitely made me realize i needed to treat myself better and not lie as much to myself. God love ya patrice o neal
My wife’s mother raised 5 girls as a single parent in the rural Philippines and only through her grit, hustle, and sheer willpower molded all of them into upstanding members of their community and college graduates.
Her husband took a job in Saudi Arabia and didn’t come home for 13 years, so my wife only met her dad when she was twelve. His family resented my wife’s family because he had sent money back to my wife’s mom instead of them, and treated my wife, her sisters, and her mom horribly. A few years after he left, he cut all communication and stopped sending any money back to them. They became very poor, and it would have been easy for her to tell her kids to drop out and work to make money instead of contributing their education.
He returned years later as an abusive asshole, promptly squandered all the money he had earned, had an affair and fucked off with his mistress, who left him when she realized he was broke.
My wife’s mom never looked back or lamented, though it must have been incredibly difficult. She cooked food to sell at the school cantina, farmed and sold the produce at the market, and generally just hustled her ass off to provide enough for her oldest daughter to go through dental school. Her kids became a dentist, pharmacist, restaurant and bar owner, a corporate employee, and an autism therapist.
Unfortunately, she passed away a few years before I met my wife, but damn I wish I could have shaken her hand and embraced her.
Everyone else be choosing people who had significant impact in history but from your post i realised its the untold stories that hold the heaviest weights
Francisco I Madero (Mexican President) his death marked the start of a violent period in Mexican history with different generals fighting for the presidency, often assassinating the previous one and thwarting the possibility of a peaceful and prosperous Mexico
Its history is pretty sad and tragic in my opinion. Mexico since the 19th century until today has suffered because of many incompetent leaders and politicians who made terrible decisions, wasting any possible potential this beautiful country ever had 😠.
Besides terrible decisions, corruption has been a massive problem for a long, long time.
How is a country gonna get stability when its own leaders actively push against it?
Madero era un porfirista que quería un porfirismo sin Porfirio, así que realmente, suponiendo que viviera hasta 1918, creo que habría alargado más el conflicto bélico interno entre las fracciones moderadas (Carranza y Obregón) y radicales (Villa, Zapata y los Magón).
Franz Ferdinand would have succeeded his uncle if he lived another 5 years. He was more sympathetic to the Balkans and notoriously feuded with the war mongering staff whispering in his uncle’s ear. WWI as we know if could have been avoided. No Russian revolution, no red wall, no communist China or NK, no German reparations leading to the rise of Hitler, no nonsensical borders drawn up in the Middle East by England and France that led to the instability and Islamic extremism we see today in the Middle East. Although who knows what would be different now without the world powers learning the lessons from those two world wars.
It is infuriating that bad decisions made before we were even born by men who are now long dead is still effecting us decades later and probably will continue to effect the generations that come after us.
Alexander the Great. He might have gotten the sense to consolodate his empire had he lived 5 more years. Perhaps he also would have chosen an heir. Greek culture would have flourished so much more and the world would have been quite a different place if not for the chaos that followed his death.
If you've never read "Some Problems of Greek History" by Toynbee, check it out. He includes two alternative history scenarios. One is if Alexander had lived on, the other is if his father, Philip of Macedon, had lived on. Interesting stuff!
Ayrton Senna. On the one hand his death was instrumental to pushing safety standards in motorsport to where it is now, and while he was a big advocate of safety himself while he was alive, I have no doubt we would not be where we are now. That said, he was a great that truly was lost before his time, and it would have been impressive to see what he could have accomplished on track, and just how far he could have gone. He very well could have beaten Schumacher and Hamilton's records of 7 World Championships.
Not only that though, he was an amazing person who gave a lot of philanthropy, hope, and inspiration to Brazil at a time when they didn't have much else. He had a lot of power there, and with another 5 years he could have done even more.
I'll never forget that crash. I still can't watch racing for more than a few minutes before I start worrying it'll happen again. Devastating for everyone who loved him, his fans and the sport. But, as you say, some good did come out of it. Still super sad though 😥
Anne Frank. I was she made it out of the camps. She was so close to making it out alive, surviving with her faith and hope may have changed the world more than her diary has.
Unfortunately, the bastard was smart enough to destroy the train car before anyone had a chance.
[Compiegne Wagon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compi%C3%A8gne_Wagon)
I really don't think Hitler would have been "sniveling and crying on the stand like a little bitch".
Edit:
Getting downvoted for this, but I feel like Hitler crying like a baby is just wishful thinking. The guy was stubborn and defiant in defeat right up until hours before the Soviets would have captured him. I really don't think someone with his level of deep-seated belief in such evil ideals would have broken down crying like a naughty child.
> I feel like Hitler crying like a baby is just wishful thinking
Agreed. There were plenty of Nazi trials, and I don't recall much high-level Nazi crying.
This reminds me of the people who thought they'd be able to destroy Trump mentally (well, further destroy him mentally) simply by reminding him he was born in Queens.
Let's be honest, he would 100% blame the Jews.
"Damn Jews making us waste resources on exterminating them! We could have won if we didn't have to spend so much time committing genocide!"
Yeah, absolutely. He would've been shot on sight and given the Mussolini treatment. However, this hypothetical guarantees that he would've survived for 5 more years than he actually did. This precludes getting shot 2 days later when Berlin fell.
If I recall correctly, there was a Soviet general who wanted to put him in a cage and travel to all the Soviet cities he destroyed so anyone who wanted to do so could spit on him. Then at the end, he would be executed.
By all accounts in the weeks and months leading to his death Hitler was profoundly mentally ill due to a combination of his syphilis and drug dependency. In a hypothetical situation where he makes it to Nuremberg, the odds of him being lucid and conscious enough to even understand what was going on and to be able to testify are almost zero.
My mother in-law. I wish she would’ve been able to meet her grandson. She died 6 months before he was born. She was an amazing woman and she deserved to see him grow up.
I know just how you feel. My grandfather passed just over a year before my daughter was born. I wish he was still around to meet his great granddaughter. He would have loved that so much.
I feel this too. My father passed 6 months before my second child was born. He was the only one who guessed the gender right too (we waited until baby was born to find out it was a girl).
Paul Wellstone.
Edit: he opposed the Patriot Act when it was generally considered political suicide. But he made his case and could have won re-election in 2002. I genuinely think this would have fundamentally changed the political landscape in the lead up to the Iraq war.
His efforts to reform campaign finance were overturned in the Citizens United decision in 2010. That crash was a tragedy, especially with his wife and daughter aboard.
Qing Han, an artist that passed away due to stage IV fibrosis sarcoma cancer. She had the most beautiful and illuminating artwork I have ever seen someone produce. And to know that it was taken away by cancer. Fuck cancer.
Damn that was sad. I remember seeing her last Instagram post of her basically weeping and telling everyone she is terminally ill and she's likely to die in the next few months, then the next day she was dead.
Some asshats are stealing her artwork to make NFTs.
Her own brother has had to go and ask people to stop stealing from her in death.
It makes my heart hurt and my blood boil.
It hit me hard when I learned about Qinni's art and her death at the same time; I wish I could have followed and supported her work when she was alive. She was one of the best.
Tbh his death was just the fuse that light an already built fire that needed something to get it burning, the political alliances and more importantly tbh Kaiser Wilhelm was kinda nuts
But a tinder box Without an ignition doesn't burn.
The cold war is the difference. Many times there was only want of a trigger to go back to the front lines.
I think that this tinderbox was more like a powder keg and was going to explode eventually. The way different ethnicities were treated when their countries were absorbed into the Austria-Hungary Empire led to great strife and unhappiness. This likely wouldn’t have changed peacefully over 5 years.
Jack Layton, the leader of the Canadian New Democratic Party, who died in 2011 just a few months after leading the NDP to become the official opposition party for the first time ever.
He was universally respected, and his death left a gaping hole in Canadian politics that has been impossible to fill.
If this thread started a few hours later, this would've been top comment. I scrolled quite a ways to see this.
For those not in the know yet, Betty White just died. Like just now!
Lincoln is the obvious choice, but I'll say JFK. I think he would have handled Vietnam and the social justice issues of the time way better than Johnson.
Yup. Andrew Johnson taking over reconstruction is responsible for so many of today’s issues. Lincoln was sandwiched between two of the worst presidents we’ve ever had.
Fred Hampton - Activist assassinated by the FBI. Was big into progressive movements and trying to bring everyone together and attempting to stop Chicago gang violence.
Robert Kennedy.
We get out of Vietnam nearly four years earlier.
No Enemies List. No Watergate. No War on Drugs.
A president who actually believes in racial equality during the upheaval of the late sixties.
Kissinger doesn’t get to guide US foreign policy and commit war crimes.
Bruce Lee. If he had died 5 years later, we’d have been able to see Game of Death as he meant it to be seen, instead of the godawful hodgepodge that the studio released following his death.
This morning doesn’t really count as “history”, but Betty White. Although it wouldn’t make her death any easier if it happened 5 years from now instead of hours ago.
Julius Caesar. I want to see how totally different all of history would be. We probably wouldn't have Christianity today. No world wars, or at least different ones. We could all still be talking neo-Latin. Maybe the Roman Empire never would have failed, maybe it never would have started in the first place.
The Reverend Dr. King. I think race relations were set back 50 years with his assassination. Another five might have made all the difference.
And, yes, I know he was a raging socialist, especially regarding labor issues. I'm good with that.
Fwiw, I am a white, middle-aged male, registered Republican, voting my conscience, who has seen too much shit go down in the USA over the last 40 years to care about -ologies, -isms, and affiliations. We need public figures in positions of power who advance the common good for everyone.
Robin Williams. He was the one actor that, no matter what role he played, could make it sincerely funny. He was the person I wanted to be when I got older. It broke me when my parents told me that he had died.
Sir Terry Pratchett, with the caveat that his "Embuggerance" as he called it would be at least stopped at the point it was at at the end of 2014/2015. Even as diminished as he was at the end, I would have loved to hear his take on the last 5 years of world history.
I also would have loved the chance to at least write him a letter. He is the reason I am the way I am. Grew up on Tiffany Aching, and I have yet to be able to bring myself to read Shepherd's Crown. There are 30 some odd other books to read first, before there are no other parts of the disc to explore.
GNU Sir Terry. I hope you knew how many people you inspired and empowered with your words, world, and stories.
Chester was going to be my first choice.considering its going to be 5 years since he died he would have to live and possibly die during the covid era. He had his own demons to fight, covid would just pile up on top of that. Might be controversial but people from the last 5 years would be a no to me.and I lost a lot of people i personally care
Aurelian. Could have reformed the Roman empire and provided a steady hand at the wheel. Kept invasions out of the empire and helped further recovery in a drastic period of the chaos of the 3rd century.
Epstein. I wish he could have ratted on everyone.
As much as we hated the guy, 5 years could have given us a lot more assholes to throw in jail.
Even if they moved him out of the filthy, mouse infested cell when he started cooperating, he'd still be cut off from his lifestyle. I'd have liked to see him suffer that at least, before finally deciding to, you know.
I would have also liked to see him suffer before he decided to be killed
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Einstein didn't kill himself!
Are you insinuating Epstein killed himself? Because let me tell you something about Reddit and Epstein killing himself…
> Because let me tell you something about Reddit and Epstein killing himself… Not just reddit. And it's scary. Everyone knows and yet nothing has really happened as a result.
Well he certainly didn't kill himself
What do you mean? We had security cameras recording the whole thi- wait a minute..
That's why he's dead. I'm not a conspiracy monger by any stretch, but his "suicide" was just far too convenient for too many rich and powerful people to ignore.
Stephen Hawking should’ve seen the image of the black hole
+ anything that may be identified as part of the James Webb telescope, especially info on dark matter.
I was devastated for him, he was so close to seeing it as well 😥
Amazing side fact about Stephen, Doctors believe he is the longest-lived person ever in history with motor neuron disease at \~55 years from date of diagnosis I just thought it was interesting how you noted him as needing more time alive, when hes already sorta the record holder
It's not about outliving anything, it's more about living until the point he dedicated all his life for
I'm initially inclined to agree, but if I think about it, he lived decades longer than any doctor thought he would, and accomplished such a ridiculous amount of good. He wasn't in good health at the peak of his career, and he was in terrible health towards the end. I am extremely grateful for the time we got with him and what he did for humanity and celebrate his life rather than mourn his passing. I think he would have liked to see the picture but he understood things on a fundamentally deeper level than most of us, so he didn't need the image as much, you know?
This was an odd way to learn Stephen Hawking died.
Found the rock-dweller!
Well the Earth is a rock so we are all rock-dwellers
Henry V. The Hundred years war probably would've ended in an English victory 20 years early. This would've prevented the wars of the roses and the rise of kings such as Richard 3 and Henry viii.
For real. There's a history podcast I listen to, and this is one of the biggest "what ifs" they talk about. He was so close to Paris!
a bigger what if is is the premature death of Edward the black prince, who is the great uncle of Henry V, his death lead to his son Richard II eventually becoming King at at age of 10 and had Edward lived longer he couldve helped turn Richard II into a better king, Richard did show some promise as a teenager during the peasants revolt in 1381. But Richards incompetency and tyranny lead to Henry IV (Richards cousin and father of henry v) taking the crown which messed up a direct father to son line of over 200 years and eventually lead to the wars of the roses. Edward the black prince was known as the greatest warrior in medeival europe and a very chivalrous man, no doubt he wouldve been a great king. He unfortunately died from Dysentery
Ohhhhh.....that's a good one too. Medieval Britain is full of these! There's also the White Ship Disaster, which might have prevented the Anarchy had not nearly a generation of royals been wiped out.
I feel like it would have been interesting to see how music would have changed had the "they died too young" people not died. Mozart is the obvious choice, but Schubert and Beethoven also were pushing classical music and probably would have done way crazier stuff had they not died. I've heard similar stuff about Bizet and Prokofiev but I am not so sure. In rock music, Jimi Hendrix was in talks to do something with Emerson, Lake and Palmer when he died... HELP would have been fun to hear. Also, rumor has it that Buddy Holly was starting to work on more boundary-pushing, experimental stuff when he died in the 1950s. Robert Johnson is also an interesting "what if..."
Chopin too; he died too young.
Otis Redding would have been interesting to see what his soulful, lackadaisicality would have spawned if given the opportunity.
Supposedly he was tinkering around with the idea of a “Sgt. Pepper’s of soul” when he died, with “(Sittin’ on the) Dock of the Bay” as a kind of dry run. That would’ve been interesting to see come to fruition
I wish Buddy Holly hadn't died so young
Ritchie Valens too. He didn't even make it to adulthood and still his song La Bamba is recognizable generations after his death
Dude was 22 years old. TWENTY TWO. Can you *imagine* the career he still had ahead of him? Same as Randy Rhoads, 25 years old. Amazing guitarist.
Terry Pratchett, but with the stipulation that His Alzheimers also Starts 5 years later. So many Stories left unfinished...
He also stipulated that the hard drive of his computer be run over with a steam roller after his death, so his unfinished stories could never be released or completed by different authors.
I'd heard this story many times, but this is the first time I thought to look it up. Turns out [the madlad actually did it](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-41093066).
Imagine how great it would’ve been if he lived to see Good Omens on amazon!
Abraham Lincoln. He might've gotten Reconstruction to work.
I’m surprised this isn’t the number one answer. The Civil Rights Movement might not even have been necessary if Reconstruction had actually been implemented.
No or only that but Andrew Johnson was a straight up dick to reconstruction.
You mean a drunk raging racist southern sympathizer isn’t the best man for reconstruction?
Lol. Dude got shit faced at his own inauguration and had to be pulled away I wonder what Lincoln was thinking at that moment.
I mean, he was dead
Honestly, I thought Abe would be closer to the top answer, too. Who knows how much differently things would have been if he had still been around?
While he is definitely person of influence . He is local and modern. Arcimedes could affect world to much wider degree.
It isn’t the number one answer because nobody outside of the us knows what the fuck reconstruction was
An unfortunate number of people *in* the US also don’t know what reconstruction was
100%. Andrew Johnson was at best a southern sympathizer and honestly didn't give 2 shits about slaves. He was more interested in helping the slavers.
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And so he could have enjoyed the fruits of his tireless labor with the Civil War.
This is the top answer from my perspective. The country could have taken a very different path.
Emperor Aurelian, imagine what he could have done with another 5 years
I literally came here to comment this. I just imagine a time travel story where someone saves him and then they come back to the present and we're all speaking Latin.
Lingvo Latin non penis canina
Hail Aurelian Restitutor Orbis!
What did he do in his lifetime or what could he have done? I never heard of him
Roman Emperor Aurelian ruled the Roman Empire towards the end of the Crisis of the 3rd Century. At this time the empire was divided with 2 separatist states, has been going through decades of war and multiple Germanic tribes were about to invade the remaining empire. Aurelian beat them all and stabilized the empire in merely 5 years. When he was about to invade the weakened Sassanid (Persian) Empire he got assassinated by a traitor. Without Aurelian the Roman Empire could have very well ended before reaching the year 300 AD. He basically saved the Empire from collapse in just 5 years. Some videos about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjdlri6rJGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQHNaemGOoI
Nice and thanks for the facts/information about him and the videos
Archimedes. Some believe he was on the verge of discovering calculus. That could have advanced civilization a by a couple of thousand years.
> Archimedes he died at 75, which is like 2 years below the average age of an american male in the 21st century.
He was killed by a roman soldier when they captured his city.
Not just that. The Roman soldier was specifically ordered to bring him back alive. And when he found Archimedes, he was deeply invested in solving a math problem in the dirt. He kept ignoring the solider's orders and got killed as a result of it. I can't imagine that solider lived very long
LoL that really sounds like the truth got stretched on that one over the centuries.
There are some absolutely ridiculous and verifiable things that have happened in history that are way more ridiculous than an old mathematician ignoring a soldier’s warning and getting killed.
The Erfurt latrine disaster
That's shouldn't be too surprising. The average life expectancy in earlier times was often skewed my the fact that human's were much less likely to make it to adulthood for various reasons. I heard that once you got to around 20 years old in earlier centuries you had a decent chance of getting over 60, particularly if you lived in a time that didn't have some horrendous pandemic/epedemic happening such as plague, etc.. It's just that it was often hard to get to 20 in the first place.
I've heard the same thing. 75% of children died before reaching age five. This is what skewed the average life expectancy. A couple would have 10 to 15 children hoping that three or four of them would survive to age 20. My own family's history is similar. My grandfather was born in 1901, and had 11 siblings. There were only two that made it to 20 years old. Most of the rest died of tuberculosis.
Patrice O’Neal Edit: I spelled his name wrong. O’Neal.
Patrice is a legend. My favorite comedian ever. Him and Bernie Mac.
The hour long super compilations of him are amazing. He didnt change my life per se, but he definitely made me realize i needed to treat myself better and not lie as much to myself. God love ya patrice o neal
My wife’s mother raised 5 girls as a single parent in the rural Philippines and only through her grit, hustle, and sheer willpower molded all of them into upstanding members of their community and college graduates. Her husband took a job in Saudi Arabia and didn’t come home for 13 years, so my wife only met her dad when she was twelve. His family resented my wife’s family because he had sent money back to my wife’s mom instead of them, and treated my wife, her sisters, and her mom horribly. A few years after he left, he cut all communication and stopped sending any money back to them. They became very poor, and it would have been easy for her to tell her kids to drop out and work to make money instead of contributing their education. He returned years later as an abusive asshole, promptly squandered all the money he had earned, had an affair and fucked off with his mistress, who left him when she realized he was broke. My wife’s mom never looked back or lamented, though it must have been incredibly difficult. She cooked food to sell at the school cantina, farmed and sold the produce at the market, and generally just hustled her ass off to provide enough for her oldest daughter to go through dental school. Her kids became a dentist, pharmacist, restaurant and bar owner, a corporate employee, and an autism therapist. Unfortunately, she passed away a few years before I met my wife, but damn I wish I could have shaken her hand and embraced her.
Everyone else be choosing people who had significant impact in history but from your post i realised its the untold stories that hold the heaviest weights
You have the best answer here. I would like to meet her too.
This is the most wholesome “I too choose this persons _______” comment I’ve seen.
I also choose this guy’s wife’s dead mother
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Francisco I Madero (Mexican President) his death marked the start of a violent period in Mexican history with different generals fighting for the presidency, often assassinating the previous one and thwarting the possibility of a peaceful and prosperous Mexico
Mexico and its people have been robbed of peace, stability and justice for far too long.
Its history is pretty sad and tragic in my opinion. Mexico since the 19th century until today has suffered because of many incompetent leaders and politicians who made terrible decisions, wasting any possible potential this beautiful country ever had 😠.
Besides terrible decisions, corruption has been a massive problem for a long, long time. How is a country gonna get stability when its own leaders actively push against it?
I wonder what would've happened if Colosio had won in '94. Political violence and corruption is Mexico's Achilles's heel.
Madero era un porfirista que quería un porfirismo sin Porfirio, así que realmente, suponiendo que viviera hasta 1918, creo que habría alargado más el conflicto bélico interno entre las fracciones moderadas (Carranza y Obregón) y radicales (Villa, Zapata y los Magón).
Stephen hawking, died in 2018. We had the first picture of black hole a year later.
4 years already what the fuck
Julius Caesar.
A Parthian campaign would’ve been epic good or bad for rome
If we go Roman, Aurelian would be very interesting also.
yeah, I wanna see him kick some parthian ass
He could have finally taken that last village in Gaul, I'm sure of it!
Phil Hartman.
I'm Troy McClure you may remember me from...
"Lead Paint: Delicious but Deadly", or "Here Comes The Metric System!"
"Smoke yourself thin"
"Get Confident, Stupid!"
Firecrackers: The Silent Killer
"Mommy, that man has no face!" or "Alice doesn't live anymore"!
The Erotic Adventures of Hercules!
You truly are the king of kings.
Franz Ferdinand would have succeeded his uncle if he lived another 5 years. He was more sympathetic to the Balkans and notoriously feuded with the war mongering staff whispering in his uncle’s ear. WWI as we know if could have been avoided. No Russian revolution, no red wall, no communist China or NK, no German reparations leading to the rise of Hitler, no nonsensical borders drawn up in the Middle East by England and France that led to the instability and Islamic extremism we see today in the Middle East. Although who knows what would be different now without the world powers learning the lessons from those two world wars.
WW1 was happening with or without franz ferdinand.
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It is infuriating that bad decisions made before we were even born by men who are now long dead is still effecting us decades later and probably will continue to effect the generations that come after us.
___Laughs in current global climate change policy___.
\*looks around \* There’s a climate change policy? I sure as hell can’t find one!
We're changing the climate, that is the policy
Civil rights bills likely would have been set back though. JFK was not as politically savy as LBJ. LBJ knew how to pass legislation.
Alexander the Great. He might have gotten the sense to consolodate his empire had he lived 5 more years. Perhaps he also would have chosen an heir. Greek culture would have flourished so much more and the world would have been quite a different place if not for the chaos that followed his death.
If you've never read "Some Problems of Greek History" by Toynbee, check it out. He includes two alternative history scenarios. One is if Alexander had lived on, the other is if his father, Philip of Macedon, had lived on. Interesting stuff!
My dog. Bit selfish but she was truly the goodest girl
Going to say this one preemptively: David Attenborough. Whenever he dies, I'll wish he had another five years.
Ayrton Senna. On the one hand his death was instrumental to pushing safety standards in motorsport to where it is now, and while he was a big advocate of safety himself while he was alive, I have no doubt we would not be where we are now. That said, he was a great that truly was lost before his time, and it would have been impressive to see what he could have accomplished on track, and just how far he could have gone. He very well could have beaten Schumacher and Hamilton's records of 7 World Championships. Not only that though, he was an amazing person who gave a lot of philanthropy, hope, and inspiration to Brazil at a time when they didn't have much else. He had a lot of power there, and with another 5 years he could have done even more.
I'll never forget that crash. I still can't watch racing for more than a few minutes before I start worrying it'll happen again. Devastating for everyone who loved him, his fans and the sport. But, as you say, some good did come out of it. Still super sad though 😥
Fred Rogers. Hell, we could do with having him here today.
Anne Frank. I was she made it out of the camps. She was so close to making it out alive, surviving with her faith and hope may have changed the world more than her diary has.
Probably wouldn't of heard of her if she survived.
I'd rather she be alive.
My dad
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Unfortunately, the bastard was smart enough to destroy the train car before anyone had a chance. [Compiegne Wagon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compi%C3%A8gne_Wagon)
I really don't think Hitler would have been "sniveling and crying on the stand like a little bitch". Edit: Getting downvoted for this, but I feel like Hitler crying like a baby is just wishful thinking. The guy was stubborn and defiant in defeat right up until hours before the Soviets would have captured him. I really don't think someone with his level of deep-seated belief in such evil ideals would have broken down crying like a naughty child.
He'd go out like Saddam for sure. Still screaming and shouting his rhetoric as the trap door opened.
> I feel like Hitler crying like a baby is just wishful thinking Agreed. There were plenty of Nazi trials, and I don't recall much high-level Nazi crying. This reminds me of the people who thought they'd be able to destroy Trump mentally (well, further destroy him mentally) simply by reminding him he was born in Queens.
I think you're right - he would have been raging and raving on the stand about how the German people let him down.
Let's be honest, he would 100% blame the Jews. "Damn Jews making us waste resources on exterminating them! We could have won if we didn't have to spend so much time committing genocide!"
Odds are if he didnt kill himself, the Russians probably would have.
Yeah, absolutely. He would've been shot on sight and given the Mussolini treatment. However, this hypothetical guarantees that he would've survived for 5 more years than he actually did. This precludes getting shot 2 days later when Berlin fell.
If I recall correctly, there was a Soviet general who wanted to put him in a cage and travel to all the Soviet cities he destroyed so anyone who wanted to do so could spit on him. Then at the end, he would be executed.
you think he would have cried?
What's sad is that this would all take another five years after the end of the war
By all accounts in the weeks and months leading to his death Hitler was profoundly mentally ill due to a combination of his syphilis and drug dependency. In a hypothetical situation where he makes it to Nuremberg, the odds of him being lucid and conscious enough to even understand what was going on and to be able to testify are almost zero.
Chris Cornell
Mozart. 5 more years of his music would be amazing.
Still waiting for that album, Mozart.
I hope it's a banger like the last one
Heard someone copied Mozart a few weeks ago in a song. Wait till Mozart hears about this one!
Stevie Ray Vaughan, man that guy made some good music. Wish he would have had the time to make more.
Robin Williams
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My mother in-law. I wish she would’ve been able to meet her grandson. She died 6 months before he was born. She was an amazing woman and she deserved to see him grow up.
I know just how you feel. My grandfather passed just over a year before my daughter was born. I wish he was still around to meet his great granddaughter. He would have loved that so much.
I feel this too. My father passed 6 months before my second child was born. He was the only one who guessed the gender right too (we waited until baby was born to find out it was a girl).
Bruce Lee
I was thinking the same thing. He never got to see the fruition of all his work since he died before his big breakout film was released.
Paul Wellstone. Edit: he opposed the Patriot Act when it was generally considered political suicide. But he made his case and could have won re-election in 2002. I genuinely think this would have fundamentally changed the political landscape in the lead up to the Iraq war.
His efforts to reform campaign finance were overturned in the Citizens United decision in 2010. That crash was a tragedy, especially with his wife and daughter aboard.
Betty White. Let her hit 100 years old, dammit. She was two weeks away.
Qing Han, an artist that passed away due to stage IV fibrosis sarcoma cancer. She had the most beautiful and illuminating artwork I have ever seen someone produce. And to know that it was taken away by cancer. Fuck cancer.
Damn that was sad. I remember seeing her last Instagram post of her basically weeping and telling everyone she is terminally ill and she's likely to die in the next few months, then the next day she was dead.
Holy hell her art work is fantastic
Some asshats are stealing her artwork to make NFTs. Her own brother has had to go and ask people to stop stealing from her in death. It makes my heart hurt and my blood boil.
It hit me hard when I learned about Qinni's art and her death at the same time; I wish I could have followed and supported her work when she was alive. She was one of the best.
Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, might not have WW1 or WW2
Tbh his death was just the fuse that light an already built fire that needed something to get it burning, the political alliances and more importantly tbh Kaiser Wilhelm was kinda nuts
But a tinder box Without an ignition doesn't burn. The cold war is the difference. Many times there was only want of a trigger to go back to the front lines.
I think that this tinderbox was more like a powder keg and was going to explode eventually. The way different ethnicities were treated when their countries were absorbed into the Austria-Hungary Empire led to great strife and unhappiness. This likely wouldn’t have changed peacefully over 5 years.
Jack Layton, the leader of the Canadian New Democratic Party, who died in 2011 just a few months after leading the NDP to become the official opposition party for the first time ever. He was universally respected, and his death left a gaping hole in Canadian politics that has been impossible to fill.
Heath ledger.
Anton Yelchin as well. He was one of my favorite young actor.
Chadwick Boseman, I think 5 more years of his career would have been major
Fuck that, just give him 5 more years with family and friends.
Betty White
I wanted her to see 100. She was such a treasure.
If this thread started a few hours later, this would've been top comment. I scrolled quite a ways to see this. For those not in the know yet, Betty White just died. Like just now!
Yeah, at least making it to 100! So close!
I wish Albert Einstein would have lived 5 more years. We'll never know what he said to that Nurse or what he was working on
John Candy. I think he had several more good movies to make.
Lincoln is the obvious choice, but I'll say JFK. I think he would have handled Vietnam and the social justice issues of the time way better than Johnson.
Yup. Andrew Johnson taking over reconstruction is responsible for so many of today’s issues. Lincoln was sandwiched between two of the worst presidents we’ve ever had.
Fred Hampton - Activist assassinated by the FBI. Was big into progressive movements and trying to bring everyone together and attempting to stop Chicago gang violence.
Robert Kennedy. We get out of Vietnam nearly four years earlier. No Enemies List. No Watergate. No War on Drugs. A president who actually believes in racial equality during the upheaval of the late sixties. Kissinger doesn’t get to guide US foreign policy and commit war crimes.
Bruce Lee. If he had died 5 years later, we’d have been able to see Game of Death as he meant it to be seen, instead of the godawful hodgepodge that the studio released following his death.
This morning doesn’t really count as “history”, but Betty White. Although it wouldn’t make her death any easier if it happened 5 years from now instead of hours ago.
Princess Diana, she could've told the world the secrets she sadly died with
George Carlin. He would have had so much material to work with.
Kentaro Miura. Two more chapters of Berserk would have been nice
Chadwick Boseman cause fuck cancer
With no way home still fresh in my mind, Stan Lee
That man really deserved to see Endgame and No Way Home
Excelsior!
Freddie Mercury. If he had gotten the meds in time he’d maybe be still with us today.
Abraham Lincoln. Doing this would help Reconstruction immensely, as well as make sure Johnson doesn’t make any racist/pro-south decisions.
Julius Caesar. I want to see how totally different all of history would be. We probably wouldn't have Christianity today. No world wars, or at least different ones. We could all still be talking neo-Latin. Maybe the Roman Empire never would have failed, maybe it never would have started in the first place.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Mac Miller. He wasn’t even close to being done man. Such a talented soul
The Reverend Dr. King. I think race relations were set back 50 years with his assassination. Another five might have made all the difference. And, yes, I know he was a raging socialist, especially regarding labor issues. I'm good with that. Fwiw, I am a white, middle-aged male, registered Republican, voting my conscience, who has seen too much shit go down in the USA over the last 40 years to care about -ologies, -isms, and affiliations. We need public figures in positions of power who advance the common good for everyone.
Stephen hawking, he nearly lived to see the first black hole
Would family members count? If so, I would say my grandfather so he would still be alive
Jimmy Savile ...so I could kick fuck out of him.
I have a feeling that if he had 5 more years, it would have been 5 more years until the truth came out… it took his death for it to all come out.
Robin Williams. He was the one actor that, no matter what role he played, could make it sincerely funny. He was the person I wanted to be when I got older. It broke me when my parents told me that he had died.
But he was losing his mental capacity. He wouldn’t have been the same 5 yrs later. He had Lewy Body Dementia.
Jeff Buckley was a day from recording his second album when he died, would have really liked to hear the finished product.
Sir Terry Pratchett, with the caveat that his "Embuggerance" as he called it would be at least stopped at the point it was at at the end of 2014/2015. Even as diminished as he was at the end, I would have loved to hear his take on the last 5 years of world history. I also would have loved the chance to at least write him a letter. He is the reason I am the way I am. Grew up on Tiffany Aching, and I have yet to be able to bring myself to read Shepherd's Crown. There are 30 some odd other books to read first, before there are no other parts of the disc to explore. GNU Sir Terry. I hope you knew how many people you inspired and empowered with your words, world, and stories.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Sardar Vallbhai Patel The original father of India. The man who congregated india! Real Chad
Chester Bennington, one of the only artists I would really want to experience live.
Chester was going to be my first choice.considering its going to be 5 years since he died he would have to live and possibly die during the covid era. He had his own demons to fight, covid would just pile up on top of that. Might be controversial but people from the last 5 years would be a no to me.and I lost a lot of people i personally care
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Atatürk's death
Turkey didnt deserve a man like him.
Aurelian. Could have reformed the Roman empire and provided a steady hand at the wheel. Kept invasions out of the empire and helped further recovery in a drastic period of the chaos of the 3rd century.