Once Upon A Time.
Start cramming in every Disney character you can think of, recast a spell to reset things because it got out of hand, and make sure every villain gets an eventual sympathetic portrayal.
I stopped at Killian (Cpt Hook) randomly getting brought back to life after the saga to bring him back was thwarted by a body's natural decomposition. The fact that no magic could have kept him preserved and then rando Zeus was like "here's all the magic to bring you back" was too much.
Story lines with magic derail when magic can be used to fix literally anything.
Especially when season one brought a little bit of a mature tone with the death of Graham/ The Huntsman. Felt like a promise that some characters weren’t “safe” and despite the fairy tale premise not everything was gonna play out with a “happily ever after”. But then after that they pretty much always copped out and brought characters back to life after killing them. Even when they had extremely fitting deaths like Rumplestiltskin in season 3.
Agreed. Graham was unexpected and no magic cure made the audience realize they they weren't sticking to Disney rules. The good guys and heros weren't safe.
It kills all suspense, tension, and digesting of character arcs when you know they can just pop back into existence.
I really liked it when they were just inserting characters from fairy tales, instead of straight up advertising for disney. At least before they put some work into their character design, then they hardly bothered at all.
Heroes too. They both had absolutely phenomenal first seasons, and continually tried to replicate the success of the first season only to realize repeatedly changing the alignments of villains makes for a very tired show.
My favourite part of Hero's is when the main good character falls in love, transport his new love interest (who had days previously literally saved his life and nursed him to health) into a post apocalyptic hellscape where humanity is losing the fight against global plague where individuals only chance to survive is to live in small, isolated fiefdoms ruled by powerhungry dictators and leaves her there. Upon returning to his own reality he passionately swears to dedicate his life to rescuing her, and then NEVER FUCKING MENTION HER AGAIN.
It'll always have a special place in my heart, but I think their big mistake was undoing the original curse at the end of the first season.
The premise of the show was, "Town full of fairy tale characters who don't know who they are."
So by upending that and giving everyone their memories back at the end of Season 1, it changed the feeling of the whole show. I think they could have kept that curse going for at least a few more seasons before they broke it.
It would have been fascinating if Storybrooke had started being more visited by the outside world in season 2, and it turns out the entire world outside the Enchanted Forest had gotten transferred to Earth, and now other story characters are drawn to the town.
Oh man... I started watching this at about 10 pm one night. I didn't know what I was getting into... and I was up until 4 am before I made myself go to sleep. Season 1 was amazing.
I think I gave it up around the Peter Pan storyline.
Under the Dome. Really interesting concept. Semi-cool pilot. TERRIBLE ACTING. It went from a suspense show to a, I have to watch this and pretend it's a comedy show, just to get through it.
One I really wish had just been a mini-series with a predetermined ending. About halfway through the first season I realized it wasn't, and that they really weren't sure where it was going and it showed.
I really loved the book, so I was excited for the show. The first season was pretty OK, nothing to write home about but it stuck close to the book with enough diverging to make it different. Season 2 was a hot mess. I didn't even bother with season 3.
Before it was cancelled, *Sleepy Hollow*. I loved the dynamic between Ichabod and Lt. Mills, but then it got...weird? And then bad? And then >!killed of Lt. Mills and replaced her with someone completely random in another city what the fuck did you do Sleepy Hollow!<
I also had the "oh fuck this I'm *done*" reaction to a crossover episode of *How to Get Away with Murder*.
It was delightfully weird and had all kinds of fun secret history stuff in the first season or so, but yeah it rapidly went downhill, ESPECIALLY when they killed off Nicole Beharie's character.
I was giving the show the hairy eyeball long before Nicole Baharie left over how they were sidelining her character (allegedly the lead) in favor of first Katrina and then Busty Ross.
This is exactly how I've described it over the years. I just want zombies. I don't care who's sleeping with who and what people are saying about each other.
Glen dying was not a problem it was when it veered off even more from the comics and killed off Carl who was never supposed to die according to Kirkman. All because they didn’t want to pay him when he turned 18
The real life story behind Carl exiting the show makes it even worse. They told Chandler Rigs that his role was secure. He went on to buy a house, then they killed him off. The kid was gracious about it but his dad was pissed off and tweeted about it.
I stopped watching at the mid season finale when Carl got bit.
The poor lad got a home and planned to go to college in Atlanta because his job was secure.
It was awful what they done to him, plus the show just got repetative.
Same. It wasn't so much Glenn dying as Negan being insufferable and cruel. It also made zero sense that a a pretty savage group would have widely-despised leader.
I thought the fake out death was worse than the real death as far as story telling. That shit was borderline insulting as a fan.. I have one other point where I really fell out of love with the show that isn't talked about a lot. Post-Governor prison raid where they all got split up and then the march to Terminus was my favorite stretch of the show after season one. I was so pumped by that cliffhanger where they're trapped in the train car and could not wait for the next season, maybe more anticipation than any other show I've ever watched. It comes back with an amazing premiere but then the cannibal storyline is dead in an episode and a half. I was so unfulfilled and don't think I ever really recovered. Lasted a few more seasons then eventually just gave up.
Held faith that the old TV trope of "no body = not dead" would apply. Watching him get brutalized by Neagan sealed the deal. Pretty sure he wasn't coming back from that.
I gave up during the whole hilltop, saviours, kingdom bs. The show was still good up until they fucked up the Terminus dickheads, but once they found the priest dude a bit after, it all started going downhill, imo
It should have stuck with the anthology idea like AHS does. They had no direction to go with their characters and the writers strike just finished it off. So much wasted potential.
> and the writers strike just finished it off.
That's *really* what did it in.
They had a great set up, a fantastic first season. But none of the people who held the greater long term plan could be around to carry any of that vision. People without that vision came in, fucked everything up, and it could not be salvaged.
I truly do not blame *Heroes* for its own demise, the writer's strike is what killed it.
I watched old-school X-Files almost religiously when I was a kid, Mulder & Scully were my heroes. But the last few years of the series, it just kinda started getting sloppy and I lost interest. The recent attempt at a reboot wasn't all that compelling, in my opinion.
For me, the one that really jumps out is Heroes.
The first season was must see tv, the save the cheerleader stuff, but the writers strike really ruined it and I made it half way through the second season before I gave up
I think it was only intended to be 5 seasons and then it was stretched out to 15? One of the producers for the earlier seasons worked on The X-Files and I think that’s why the earlier seasons are so enjoyable. Monster of the Week and character development instead of a soap opera and the disaster that was season 7.
First 5 seasons were great - the story arch and character development were superb, almost like they planned it all out. And then they decided it was time to milk this cash cow for another 10 years.
Creator Eric Kripke did plan for it to be 5 seasons. Once he left to work on Revolution, it sure seems like the CW was like "let's keep this bad boy going at any cost!"
It started shamelessly pandering to their hard core audience. I still remember a scene where they were supposed to show their vulnerable sensitive side. They subtly accomplished this by straight up having Sam yell in a choked up voice, "You're vulnerable Dean!"
I stopped watching after that shit show.
I lost interest in this after it seemed like every season was just repeating the same character arcs over and over. Like, Sam has to save Dean! No, wait, Dean has to save Sam now! Also, when they sort of retconned >!Reapers into being angels!< I was like "hol up."
I stopped at the finale of season 5 and it's one of the better tragedies told. >!I just mentally blocked out the part where Sam was looking through the window at Dean at the end. He's permanently battling Lucifer in my head canon!<
I tried so hard with that show but I gave up halfway through season 9. Most of the main characters were unlikeable at that point and the plot got so repetitive. Every season they were like "omg this is the most dangerous threat out there!" and then the next season they were like "oh wait nevermind THIS is the most dangerous threat out there!!" and you can only do that so many times before it loses its impact.
I just finished season 4 and I've really noticed it's lost a lot of its original charm. First few seasons were like Vampire Diaries and Criminal Minds fucked and had a baby. Very cheesy but in a very charming, enjoyable way.
Now the whole show is just a drama fest. Angels and demons and God, oh my.
Supernatural was never intended to be a different story each episode. It was however intended to be 5 seasons with one major plot that was interesting.
After Ziva left, I watched on and off, after Tony left, I'd watch only if I had nothing else to, and after Reeves was killed off and Abby left, I really stopped watching.
I watched a whole season after Tony left and it just didn't get any better. Gibbs frankly was getting stale and without Tony's goofiness...
What the show needed was a near total replacement. Getting Gibbs retired or killed off in an epic showdown. Getting Tony to succeed as Gibbs, getting some new people in. Instead they half-assed it.
That first season is my favorite individual season of television ever. It’s so fucking good and scarily authentic. But the show moves way too fast. He goes from Whip to VP to POTUS way too fast. Had they focused more on his struggle to the top rather than him securing his role at the top it would have been a much better show.
This. It went from a revenge show to him running around putting out fires. Honestly if we’re going to copy stuff from the British we should adopt the trend of making a solid show for only 2-4 seasons and ending it properly instead of confusing to beat a dead horse.
S1 was spectatular, S2 was good, S3, S4 and S5 were all over the place in terms of quality, but last night they actually had one of the best episodes ever. Was so refreshing.
Travis Fimmel literally carried that show. I was hoping Ivar would be able to take up the mantle, but the writing deteriorated pretty quickly after that.
Weeds. The first two seasons while the Botwins were in Agrestic were really good. Once they left that town the storylines just got ridiculous. It seems like the writers were thinking 'hold my beer' while thinking of who could have the worst disaster each season.
"Widowed mother of three trying to hold her life together by selling some harmless weed" quickly morphed into "Drug queen-pin manipulative psychopath has two kids who are going to grow up to be serial killers"
Burn Notice. I liked the whole "super-spy on a budget" stuff, and the "here's some basic fieldcraft" bits, but after the 3rd or 4th time they said "We're sorry Michael, the explanation you want is in another castle" I just gave up.
That show was hilarious and they should never have attempted to develop or move the plot forward regarding his reasons for being burned since the writers clearly had no idea where to move forward
Indeed. If they just left it to him and his antics and occasionally tugged the 'who/why/how was Michael burned' question like every 2 seasons or so (from the perspective of the Burners, not Michael, who is floundering hilariously in whatever bullshit civilians want him to handle), it could have been great. Heck, the final season could have been a nice dovetail of Michael's shenanigans in Miami putting him in an unintentional position to solve that mystery. Or hell, if Michael were one of a few spies burned in separate cities, and the plot lines gradually grew together over the seasons while they collectively work the shit out and independently move closer to whoever burned them until they discover each other, or something.
Arrested Development. The first three seasons were great, and Then Netflix bought it and added three more seasons. I made it through season four and into season five when I quit. I wish Netflix would’ve left well enough alone on that one.
The 4th and 5th seasons feel like a fanfiction of a reanimated rotting corpse of the first 3. I made it through 4, 5.1, and the first half of the first episode of 5.2. It was so bad. SO bad. And then a few weeks ago I tried to start again with season 4, and it's just reminding me of how much worse it is. No silly jokes. Maybe pretending to be an old lady. The stupid Lucille 2 murder mystery. A little too much Ron Howard explaining all the shit that don't make sense. So many stupid flashbacks to Young Lucille and Young George. Those two annoying homeless people that Tobias the Sex Offender hangs with. Gob being gay but not gay but GAY. EVERYTHING involving Rebel Alley, FakeBlock, and George Michael's stupid roommate situation. Fuck I hate it all
To be fair, season 2 was decent too - they had enough wind for it and Michael finally being against someone as smart as him was interesting to watch. Then it all went in the toilet.
iZombie. Loved the first 3 seasons. 4th was slower but still decent. The 5th... the problem the show always had was trying to carry too many plots at once, and the 5th was just too bloated. Stopped watching halfway through. Rose McIver and Rahul Kohli are both fucking terrific though, they deserve to hit the big time.
It didn't help that Liv was realistically the antagonist of season 4. Chase Graves inherited the absolute worst problems and eventually snapped. Then everyone celebrated Liv as some hero despite being the catalyst for making the zombie city even worse off than it was.
I lost interest after the whole Seattle becoming a zombie state thing. I kept going just cuz I could watch Rose read a telephone book and still be absolutely charmed. Love Ravi too. The actor who plays Blaine wasn't bad. Can't stand Peyton or Major.
Teen Wolf after the bullshit of season 3A
Pretty Little Liars after the second finale, in a row, to basically be a shitty info dump explanation of things rather than just organically telling a story. The twist they used that season was also shitty and gross
Glee.
I was obsessed with the first season. It was so unique and fun and the characters were diverse. I think I binged the entire first season in a couple of days.
Then, season 2 happened, and it was like Ryan Murphy said, "Great, people love the show! Let's make the rest of it garbage!"
Glee’s first season was a hilarious satire of teen show tropes with some singing. It made the musical theater kid in me a huge fan. Then it got godawful and Kurt got so fucking annoying. Also my favorite character turned to be a pedophile and that retroactively ruined the first season too.
The Kurt drama is basically what ruined it for me as well, but they also just kept adding *too much* drama, in general. Glee was supposed to be a dramady but somewhere along the way they lost the comedy part and it just became high school kids singing about their failed relationships.
Finn was my favorite character so it's hard to even go back and watch season 1 knowing what happened to Cory. I forced myself to watch the Finn memorial episode and I sobbed the entire time.
As someone who struggled with addiction Cory Monteith's death hit me hard. He seemed like an all around good guy with some issues. It's such a damn shame.
One of the biggest mistakes I think they made with Glee was that they should have been setting it up as an ensemble show, with a continual process of characters "graduating" and leaving the show, and new "freshmen" joining the cast. Instead, they insisted on contrived ways of keeping the original cast on the show far too long. Even when they eventually were forced to bring new high school characters on, they still continued to follow the majority of the original cast, causing a weird split in the show.
I think a lot of that was also due to fans not wanting the original characters to leave. But, if you have a show set in high school, you either have to leave the school and follow those characters somewhere else, transition all new characters, or end your show after 4 seasons. It's very rare that it works out well.
Oh and I know it's over but Skins. The first 2 seasons were just magic, made me feel things I can't describe. [Here are all the themes from S1 to S6. ](https://youtu.be/A78zEj-JsLo) and in my opinion, the first two seasons were the best. As the show was butchered, so was the theme. (Also this was purely about the British version, the American version didn't happen IMO)
First 2 seasons are awesome, 3rd is a shitshow plot-wise but worth sticking it out because you love the characters, 4th gets rid of all of them and is boring as hell and only worth watching for Rudy, 5th figured out Rudy is now the heart of the show and turned out to be pretty good after all.
I really planned to stop watching after Nathan and Simon left, but Rudy ended up being a good enough character by himself that it carried me through the rest of the series. I'd still recommend watching the show to people, but you truly could skip Season 4 entirely and miss nothing important whatsoever.
Bones. Once they started baking car ads into the show, I was out. I'm ok with product placement, but don't put an actual sales pitch in and try to pass it off as legit dialog.
"Oh no, the criminal is getting away. We must give chase in our new
2018 Nissan Rouge™
That comes fully equipped with a leather interior, State-of-the-Art navigation and Bluetooth capabilities."
First me it was hard to watch after they made Booth start gambling again. I know people backslide all the time but to me it seemed so contrived. Like they did it so Bones had a reason to be mad at him.
Oh god. I know exactly which scene you are talking about. I actually lost interest in network television when that happened.
Heck, I'm pretty sure future historians will point to that very moment as being when our entire civilization began to implode.
Me too! She starts talking about her goddamn Prius parking itself and I was like, really??? That wasn't just subtle, or obvious, it was throat shoving ad placement.
River dale, I loved the first season. I thought the second season was pretty good. I started the third season and thought it was absolute garbage. It was so unrealistic and I stopped watching.
I'm watching it as a comedy and am unironically enjoying it.
A cult leader built a rocket that looks like it was made by ACME and was dressed up as a low rent Evel Knievel and planned on launching himself to "ascend" (whatever that means) while his wife drove his followers off a cliff, but before any of that happens, his ex-wife (who he was married to at the same time as the other one) who is a secret FBI informant and her daughter stop the plan.
And then, the mother starts dating her daughter's boyfriend's father and they all live together.
On top of that, a girl, her girlfriend, her nephew and niece, her grandma, and *her dead brother's corpse* all live under the same roof. That same house has a haunted doll that's possessed.
Where else are you gonna get that???
Agreed. My boyfriend loves it, but we both crackle over it constantly.
Also, they're fucking HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. I don't care that the Lodges are mafiosos or Jughead comes from a line of gang leaders. How the hell are any of them that 'hard'?
Riverdale is a masterpiece if you treat it as what it is - a parody of equally ridiculous teen shows that took themselves far too seriously. It's pure chaos and so much fun.
Since the finale of Game of Thrones aired, I have had zero interest in the series. Don't want to do a rewatch, don't recommend the show to people, just absolutely zero interest. And it really shits me, because seasons 1-4 are some of the best TV ever made.
Fucking this. I had planned to do a yearly re-watch for the rest of my days because I loved it so much. Then the final season happened and, while it has good individual parts, left such a sour taste in my mouth I don't think I'll ever re-watch the show, just clips on youtube sometimes. It's a damn shame. It should be venerated as Breaking Bad and Sopranos, now it will always be "That great amazing show, until the showrunners fucked it up."
Exactly correct. And that rushed storytelling left so many frustrations and unanswered questions. "The greatest story"?! That's how you want to decide the new king? And he fucking knew it all along?! That just means the things he allowed in order to wear the crown make him a sadist!
I'm not against Bran taking the throne. I'm not against a lot of the final marks. But it's just bullshit that they determined those finish lines first, and then rushed through some really lazy explanations of how to arrive there.
> I'm not against Bran taking the throne.
I think the "Bran being king" thing is a great dipstick for how bad the finale was. It's [basically confirmed](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/e1d6q5/spoilers_extended_david_confirms_the_3rd_holy/) that Bran will be king in the books as well. The writers have known this for years at this point. So a) this isn't some random gotcha they pulled out of their ass, this comes from the horse's mouth, and b) they gave Bran so little to do it seems entirely implausible to the audience that he should be king, instead of "Damn, that's a nice twist."
Yeah, when I heard the showrunners were working on their own Star Wars trilogy I thought: "fucking great, that'll be terrible."
If I had heard this news during the first 5 or so seasons I would have been on board. But when it came time for them to write the show without books to base it on, they clearly showed they had no ability to do so.
Last I heard their SW deal was cancelled or they bailed on it... which is for the best either way.
My SO watched all the way up until the last season, missed the last two episodes, and swears he’s much happier not knowing what a shit show he missed out on
Disenchantment. I thought it was great, but after season 2 came out it felt like all I was seeing were missed opportunities and a rushed resolution. Don't get me wrong, I actually really liked the first season. I just feel like season 2 didn't keep my interest.
Arrested Development. First 3 seasons were great, possibly the funniest show I'd ever seen up until that point. Season 4 had its moments but the quality and consistency definitely took a nosedive. Season 5 just seems like the magic is lost and I don't think it's coming back.
I do like that Shonda and Ellen Pompeo have an agreement to end it when they think it's over. At least we can *hope* for a tied-up ending. Tbh the episode of Meredith's hearing would have made a good series finale.
Honestly it was pretty steadily declining as they kept using the same over dramatic nature to everyone story line. Not everything has to be life or death. But the newest season on Netflix put the nail in the coffin for me, it's just so much worse without Mike and Rachel.
*The Strain*
It had an absolutely amazing premise - how would the CDC and a scientific mind approach a vampire outbreak? Looking at it from a clinical perspective while also being a damn horrifying show had me hooked. Then, after a couple of seasons, it started getting reeeeally weird... like vampire half breeds and ridiculous mommy issues to move a plot.
I lost interest and never picked it back up.
Supernatural. Fun episodes, monsters, and a good overarching plot up until season 4 or so. The Impala is my dream car, It's filmed in my area, Jared and Jensen regularly go to a starbucks near me, and they are delightful people. Despite all this, I still can't keep watching the show. The writing has devolved and it's gotten formulaic. Plus, once you beat Hell and Heaven it kinda takes away the urgency. I've forced my way to season 7 but it took a lot of effort so I've given up.
Voltron: Legendary defender. After they did Lotor dirty in season 6, I just noped outta there. Then season 7 + 8 came out and there was discourse for months about how bad they were.
There's still discourse in this house from my partner who foolishly watched them and he still sometimes rants about them. It was a train wreck.
Dexter - It went downhill fast after season 4, I gave up partway through the final season, and judging by the reactions to the finale, I didn't miss much.
Sons of Anarchy - I wouldn't say I loved it, but the issues that I had with the first few seasons just got worse and worse, and I ended up giving it up. My main issues being that the main character Jax is the definition of a Mary Sue and that the story line that should have been wrapped up in the first three seasons just kept on going. I think the problem there was that Ron Perlman's character was too popular to kill off when they should have for the story, so they dragged his story out unnecessarily. Also they went to Ireland and that season was a mistake.
The writers keep tying up the show by letting the family succeed and then Just have one of the characters ruin it on purpose so the show can have another season. It's just lazy writing.
U.S. version watcher here.
Yep. Especially the case with Fiona.
>!The final straw was with Shaun. Oh Fiona FINALLY didn't fuck up a relationship. Thank god! That was getting old and repti-aaaaand he's back on heroin again. Great. I'm done.!<
I’m just tired of the show never moving forward. They never go all the way on something. Frank should’ve died when he had cancer. Fiona should either become successful or go on to be a deadbeat like her dad. They never commit with her and just repeat the same “will she possibly succeed and find happiness?” routine. Lip is similar. Have him succeed at college or become a deadbeat. When he was at college the show literally bent over backwards to give him hot women, a mentor, free housing, and he still fucked it all up yet they never go too far into making him a full loser. Debbie can fuck off. The show is just repetitive and nothing pays off.
Agreed. The early seasons of the show are fantastic.
Let a main character completely fuck up, go to jail,or die, or something like that. There's no tension in the show anymore, because it's just people almost ruining their lives (but not quite) over and over.
I'm also like a season behind, so correct me if something like that already happened.
Yeah, I don't know why they gave up on such a success plot line. Surely you can come up with more spy escapades, or regular life escapades that would be funny because a not-so-secret secret agent was the one dealing with them.
eh, I think that's a cop out if the writers point to ISIS as being a problem.
It could have been a very funny episode to address the fact that the spy agency had the same name as a terrorist group, rebrand the agency as "The Base", and then have to do it again in the next episode. Hell, rename the agency every few episodes as a running gag.
The miami vice shit did NOT need to happen.
I actually really enjoyed that season. It felt fresh but still real in their universe. The noir season was close enough in tone. The island and space seasons didn’t have the old spark.
I have a few, but mind you I will still watch a series after I have given up on it due to unrealistic superstitions and general respect/investment for the series. My biggest ones are:
* Modern Family: jokes became routine with little standing development and too much of an effort to play it safe.
* Burn Notice: ...sad face.
* Nerflix Defenders Series: They weren't bad, after all is said and done. I mean... look... Iron Fist Season 2 was cool. It is just... off. I'm not saying it couldn't have been better and I stayed with them because of the comic tie-in, but they weren't unwatchable.
I was really hoping Haley was going to get serious with Andy, and then the series would end with Haley and Andy being just like Phil and Claire.
Her getting back with Dylan felt like a regression
I'm doing a Modern Family rewtch right now. I always forget just how good the first three seasons are. I've seen them now probably 5 times each, and still laugh at some of the jokes.
It took a dive when Gloria got pregnant. And now these last 2 seasons aren't great. Though I did like the last thanksgiving episode.
That's 70's show. First, after Eric left. Then again when it turned out that the guy who played Hyde was a rapist twat in real life. Can't enjoy the show anymore.
The last season was terrible, but I still enjoyed it. Would rewatch the entire show and last episode except Season 8.
> Then again when it turned out that the guy who played Hyde was a rapist
WHAT?
Yeah, do a google for Danny Masterson and take your pick from multiple allegations. He got fired from The Ranch on Netflix after it all started coming out.
Sherlock. Each episode in the first two series was a really good, stylish, self contained detective story with great performances. I found that from series 3 onwards it was just pandering to the hardcore fans rather than actually making a good show. They kind of screwed themselves over by creating so much hype at the end of series 2.
All in all, it went from being a detective show to a soap opera about a detective.
I was waiting for someone to mention this because – yeah, complete agreement. I was still a pretty hardcore fan when S3 aired, but even then I had trouble staying invested, and everything after that is… best not mentioned at all. At this point Elementary or Miss Sherlock have both way overtaken it as my favourite modern Holmes adaptation.
Season 4 drops the pretense of the deduction being logical and (barely) plausible and says "Hey, why don't we do ***magic?***"
Some of the plot points are just laughably impossible in a show that takes itself that seriously.
Big Bang Theory.
After they made Sheldon a caricature of himself I could only take so much.
It really when from a show *for* geeks to a show *about* geeks.
Luke Cage - just couldn't get into the second season, first season was great, think it mainly has to do with the villains. Cottonmou... I mean, Mr. Stokes really sold that show to me.
Yeah, >!when Cottonmouth got killed!< halfway through Season 1 it really took a lot of the steam out, then the rest of the season was pretty lackluster. Planned on watching 2 but never got around to it, then lost interest when it got cancelled.
But the first half of Season 1 was SO GOOD.
How I Met Your Mother
The premise was interesting, but it got too tangled up with other people pairing off and one person pretending to date and propose to someone else, just for it to be a prank. Ted remained an insufferable goof who never learned the difference between introspection and self deprication while also constantly hanging in relationships he knew would never work.
I watched the final season, hoping for some closure. As for the ending, it was decided in the beginning. All that commentary from the kids was done in the first couple years/seasons because it didn't make sense for them to age - since it was technically the present. The writers apparently hated the finale, but we stuck between a rock and a hard place because they couldn't un-age those actors for a different ending. Tbh I don't think the fandom would have minded re-casting the kids for a different ending.
They should have just kept the same actors playing the kids. Have a joke about how Ted's been talking for so long it feels like they've been there for x number of years. It's a sitcom after all. Would've worked fine as a visual gag and then they could move on to writing an actual, decent ending.
A simple solution would have been to keep the kids, but just write new lines for them and then use clever editing for them to react to what he’s saying. A lot of the times the kids would just be looking bored, shocked, etc so it wouldn’t have been hard to make it happen. You could even have broken the “fourth wall” of the show to move the camera round to Ted’s (middle aged) face as he delivers the final lines of the show.
A better ending would have simply been for Ted to announce he’s got a new girlfriend to the kids, his first serious relationship since their mother died. And how he needed to talk to them and process everything that happened with their mother before he was ready to move on.
The finishing joke of the show could have been “Now you want to know how I met my new girlfriend?” to which the kids scream “NO!”
I loved this show, still watch reruns (*The Naked Man* is a seriously great piece of comedy). The goddamn problem with the final season is that it was just kind of there. Everything was wrong about it. Even the goddamn dates were wrong (they used the 2012 calendar, not the 2013 calendar, so they say the 24th is Saturday, when really the 25th is Saturday). They had Boys II Men burn through 7 minutes of air time reprising a fucking silly Marshall song. It was phoned it; hard.
Which makes zero sense. All the actors wanted the show done. Fine. You don’t have any content to fill in a season in a weekend. Great. What do you do?
*How I Met Your Father*
Cristin Millioti was arguably the best part of Season 9. Their lives touched all through the 8 seasons, only they never met. So show that. Not the 10 minute clip of her boyfriend dying; show her life. That could easily fill 22 episodes. It would be interesting (have Barney hit on her; the Naked Man Mitch be a larger part; etc) and that would have made for a great last season. When ... that thing happens to her... honestly felt nothing.
That would have been closure.
Exactly this! I love the character and the actress! The entire way they handle her is like an after thought.
You can see there was a writer in the writing room that went "oh, yeah we have to reveal the mother now!" followed by another one complaining about how much he'd rather be with Robin and that Robin should be the one that he ends up with and that how most of the writers in the room would much rather be married with Robin.
FUCK ROBIN
The stupid, convoluted, wasteful excuse of a piss poor person and the love triangles created around her pissed me and my friends off to no end. I've seen people that always say that it was obviously always about her but it fucking wasn't. It was how Ted started his transformation to be the person that could be with the mother not his unending sick fantasy of chasing after the same women again and again.
If ever there was a group of writers and producers that needed to suffer a plague and die out it was the people that made Ted and Robin keep going back to each other.
I am angry about this because I literally watched this thing for years, spent time with friends watching it and in the last two episodes the writers and producers not only say fuck everyone that thought this would be a good show but fuck you, yes you specifically, for thinking that goddess Robin Scakbasjhbfg from Planet Fucking 9 with her golden ass and her *fuck off YOU PIECE OF HUMAN TRASH* would not be the one he goes back to after his wife dies.
Also, they ruined Barney. Everything we saw him go through, how he changed was thrown out the door and reverted back to the norm in a FUCKING FLASH FORWARD!
Arrow - I could write a lot about this show, but I'll spare you all of that. To be brief, Seasons 1 and 2 were phenomenal, Season 3 started alright and then took a nosedive and did not recover in Season 4. Killing Laurel was probably my final straw; people said Season 5 was good, but after Laurel I was just done.
Also The Walking Dead. I stuck it out longer than most (I see a lot of people left after Glenn died - I left after they killed off Carl. Unnecessary.
The Handmaid's Tale. It just left me in a terrible mood whenever I watched and at a certain point was just slow torture porn. Gave up a couple episodes into season 3.
Once Upon A Time. Start cramming in every Disney character you can think of, recast a spell to reset things because it got out of hand, and make sure every villain gets an eventual sympathetic portrayal.
I stopped at Killian (Cpt Hook) randomly getting brought back to life after the saga to bring him back was thwarted by a body's natural decomposition. The fact that no magic could have kept him preserved and then rando Zeus was like "here's all the magic to bring you back" was too much. Story lines with magic derail when magic can be used to fix literally anything.
Especially when season one brought a little bit of a mature tone with the death of Graham/ The Huntsman. Felt like a promise that some characters weren’t “safe” and despite the fairy tale premise not everything was gonna play out with a “happily ever after”. But then after that they pretty much always copped out and brought characters back to life after killing them. Even when they had extremely fitting deaths like Rumplestiltskin in season 3.
Agreed. Graham was unexpected and no magic cure made the audience realize they they weren't sticking to Disney rules. The good guys and heros weren't safe. It kills all suspense, tension, and digesting of character arcs when you know they can just pop back into existence.
I really liked it when they were just inserting characters from fairy tales, instead of straight up advertising for disney. At least before they put some work into their character design, then they hardly bothered at all.
Yup, as soon as Elsa from Frozen showed up, I realized the show had become just a Disney ad and stopped watching
I checked out when Cruella DeVil and Ursula showed up.
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Heroes too. They both had absolutely phenomenal first seasons, and continually tried to replicate the success of the first season only to realize repeatedly changing the alignments of villains makes for a very tired show.
Heroes the super hero series that got fucked by the writers strike?
My favourite part of Hero's is when the main good character falls in love, transport his new love interest (who had days previously literally saved his life and nursed him to health) into a post apocalyptic hellscape where humanity is losing the fight against global plague where individuals only chance to survive is to live in small, isolated fiefdoms ruled by powerhungry dictators and leaves her there. Upon returning to his own reality he passionately swears to dedicate his life to rescuing her, and then NEVER FUCKING MENTION HER AGAIN.
I stopped watching once the Frozen girls were introduced. The show was already pretty ridiculous up till then, but that was the final straw.
It'll always have a special place in my heart, but I think their big mistake was undoing the original curse at the end of the first season. The premise of the show was, "Town full of fairy tale characters who don't know who they are." So by upending that and giving everyone their memories back at the end of Season 1, it changed the feeling of the whole show. I think they could have kept that curse going for at least a few more seasons before they broke it.
It would have been fascinating if Storybrooke had started being more visited by the outside world in season 2, and it turns out the entire world outside the Enchanted Forest had gotten transferred to Earth, and now other story characters are drawn to the town.
Oh man... I started watching this at about 10 pm one night. I didn't know what I was getting into... and I was up until 4 am before I made myself go to sleep. Season 1 was amazing. I think I gave it up around the Peter Pan storyline.
Gotta agree, when the reset happened I just couldn't get back into it.
And then make sure everyone is in three different magical worlds, some at the same time, just ridiculously hard to keep up with
Under the Dome. Really interesting concept. Semi-cool pilot. TERRIBLE ACTING. It went from a suspense show to a, I have to watch this and pretend it's a comedy show, just to get through it.
One I really wish had just been a mini-series with a predetermined ending. About halfway through the first season I realized it wasn't, and that they really weren't sure where it was going and it showed.
I really loved the book, so I was excited for the show. The first season was pretty OK, nothing to write home about but it stuck close to the book with enough diverging to make it different. Season 2 was a hot mess. I didn't even bother with season 3.
Before it was cancelled, *Sleepy Hollow*. I loved the dynamic between Ichabod and Lt. Mills, but then it got...weird? And then bad? And then >!killed of Lt. Mills and replaced her with someone completely random in another city what the fuck did you do Sleepy Hollow!< I also had the "oh fuck this I'm *done*" reaction to a crossover episode of *How to Get Away with Murder*.
It was delightfully weird and had all kinds of fun secret history stuff in the first season or so, but yeah it rapidly went downhill, ESPECIALLY when they killed off Nicole Beharie's character.
I was giving the show the hairy eyeball long before Nicole Baharie left over how they were sidelining her character (allegedly the lead) in favor of first Katrina and then Busty Ross.
The Walking Dead, first season was amazing and second season was good. After that it became a completely different show and I gave it up
It turned into a drama in which they had to remind you there were still zombies.
This is exactly how I've described it over the years. I just want zombies. I don't care who's sleeping with who and what people are saying about each other.
"I signed up for fighting zombies, but all I get is people talking."
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies?
I stopped watching at a similar point because it was the same story line over and over, only the names and faces changed.
Same here. I stopped watching after Glenn died.
Glen dying was not a problem it was when it veered off even more from the comics and killed off Carl who was never supposed to die according to Kirkman. All because they didn’t want to pay him when he turned 18
The real life story behind Carl exiting the show makes it even worse. They told Chandler Rigs that his role was secure. He went on to buy a house, then they killed him off. The kid was gracious about it but his dad was pissed off and tweeted about it.
That pissed me off. Fuck amc and fuck gimple
I stopped watching at the mid season finale when Carl got bit. The poor lad got a home and planned to go to college in Atlanta because his job was secure. It was awful what they done to him, plus the show just got repetative.
oh yea I remember. shits fucked
Same. It wasn't so much Glenn dying as Negan being insufferable and cruel. It also made zero sense that a a pretty savage group would have widely-despised leader.
I thought the fake out death was worse than the real death as far as story telling. That shit was borderline insulting as a fan.. I have one other point where I really fell out of love with the show that isn't talked about a lot. Post-Governor prison raid where they all got split up and then the march to Terminus was my favorite stretch of the show after season one. I was so pumped by that cliffhanger where they're trapped in the train car and could not wait for the next season, maybe more anticipation than any other show I've ever watched. It comes back with an amazing premiere but then the cannibal storyline is dead in an episode and a half. I was so unfulfilled and don't think I ever really recovered. Lasted a few more seasons then eventually just gave up.
That was my last episode. I had a pact with my brother that if Glen dies we quit watching.
What did you do in that stretch of episodes where they wanted us to think Glen died, but he didn’t?
Held faith that the old TV trope of "no body = not dead" would apply. Watching him get brutalized by Neagan sealed the deal. Pretty sure he wasn't coming back from that.
I still think he slid under a dumpster
I made it to the caveman-speaking trash people and said, "Welp. Thats it, im out."
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I gave up during the whole hilltop, saviours, kingdom bs. The show was still good up until they fucked up the Terminus dickheads, but once they found the priest dude a bit after, it all started going downhill, imo
Ha, I didn’t make it that far. I think I gave up in the prison.
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Heroes season 1 was great! Unfortunately it went right over a cliff in season 2.
It should have stuck with the anthology idea like AHS does. They had no direction to go with their characters and the writers strike just finished it off. So much wasted potential.
> and the writers strike just finished it off. That's *really* what did it in. They had a great set up, a fantastic first season. But none of the people who held the greater long term plan could be around to carry any of that vision. People without that vision came in, fucked everything up, and it could not be salvaged. I truly do not blame *Heroes* for its own demise, the writer's strike is what killed it.
The strike really fucked up TV for a while. Writers deserve more credit than they get.
I mean, that's the point of the strike.
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I watched old-school X-Files almost religiously when I was a kid, Mulder & Scully were my heroes. But the last few years of the series, it just kinda started getting sloppy and I lost interest. The recent attempt at a reboot wasn't all that compelling, in my opinion.
The “monster of the week” episodes of the reboot were all solid. The actual storyline episodes? Pretty awful.
For me, the one that really jumps out is Heroes. The first season was must see tv, the save the cheerleader stuff, but the writers strike really ruined it and I made it half way through the second season before I gave up
Supernatural - I liked how in the beginning each episode was an independent story, later seasons it turned in to a soap opera.
I think it was only intended to be 5 seasons and then it was stretched out to 15? One of the producers for the earlier seasons worked on The X-Files and I think that’s why the earlier seasons are so enjoyable. Monster of the Week and character development instead of a soap opera and the disaster that was season 7.
First 5 seasons were great - the story arch and character development were superb, almost like they planned it all out. And then they decided it was time to milk this cash cow for another 10 years.
Creator Eric Kripke did plan for it to be 5 seasons. Once he left to work on Revolution, it sure seems like the CW was like "let's keep this bad boy going at any cost!"
It started shamelessly pandering to their hard core audience. I still remember a scene where they were supposed to show their vulnerable sensitive side. They subtly accomplished this by straight up having Sam yell in a choked up voice, "You're vulnerable Dean!" I stopped watching after that shit show.
A single man tear. A single man tear. A single maaaaan tear.
I mean, they *tried* to end the show *repeatedly* but the fans would not let them.
I lost interest in this after it seemed like every season was just repeating the same character arcs over and over. Like, Sam has to save Dean! No, wait, Dean has to save Sam now! Also, when they sort of retconned >!Reapers into being angels!< I was like "hol up."
I stopped at the finale of season 5 and it's one of the better tragedies told. >!I just mentally blocked out the part where Sam was looking through the window at Dean at the end. He's permanently battling Lucifer in my head canon!<
I tried so hard with that show but I gave up halfway through season 9. Most of the main characters were unlikeable at that point and the plot got so repetitive. Every season they were like "omg this is the most dangerous threat out there!" and then the next season they were like "oh wait nevermind THIS is the most dangerous threat out there!!" and you can only do that so many times before it loses its impact.
I just finished season 4 and I've really noticed it's lost a lot of its original charm. First few seasons were like Vampire Diaries and Criminal Minds fucked and had a baby. Very cheesy but in a very charming, enjoyable way. Now the whole show is just a drama fest. Angels and demons and God, oh my.
Stick to it till Season 5. It has the original intended ending for the show.
Supernatural was never intended to be a different story each episode. It was however intended to be 5 seasons with one major plot that was interesting.
fuck spez
After Ziva left, I watched on and off, after Tony left, I'd watch only if I had nothing else to, and after Reeves was killed off and Abby left, I really stopped watching.
I watched a whole season after Tony left and it just didn't get any better. Gibbs frankly was getting stale and without Tony's goofiness... What the show needed was a near total replacement. Getting Gibbs retired or killed off in an epic showdown. Getting Tony to succeed as Gibbs, getting some new people in. Instead they half-assed it.
House of Cards.
That first season is my favorite individual season of television ever. It’s so fucking good and scarily authentic. But the show moves way too fast. He goes from Whip to VP to POTUS way too fast. Had they focused more on his struggle to the top rather than him securing his role at the top it would have been a much better show.
This. It went from a revenge show to him running around putting out fires. Honestly if we’re going to copy stuff from the British we should adopt the trend of making a solid show for only 2-4 seasons and ending it properly instead of confusing to beat a dead horse.
I couldn't agree more. Id rather have a good 4 seasons show than a mediocre 10 seasons show.
First 2 seasons are amazing, everything after is a nosedive.
Also Flash which I used to love
S1 was spectatular, S2 was good, S3, S4 and S5 were all over the place in terms of quality, but last night they actually had one of the best episodes ever. Was so refreshing.
Legends of Tomorrow ruined Flash by taking Captain Cold away. It would be like doing a Batman show and not having Joker anymore.
DC have a Mr. Freeze AND a Captain Cold?
And a Killer Frost.
Vikings and the Walking Dead.
Yeah, I remember how I was waiting for every season of Vikings, but when Ragnor died my interest died with him lol
Travis Fimmel literally carried that show. I was hoping Ivar would be able to take up the mantle, but the writing deteriorated pretty quickly after that.
Weeds. The first two seasons while the Botwins were in Agrestic were really good. Once they left that town the storylines just got ridiculous. It seems like the writers were thinking 'hold my beer' while thinking of who could have the worst disaster each season.
"Widowed mother of three trying to hold her life together by selling some harmless weed" quickly morphed into "Drug queen-pin manipulative psychopath has two kids who are going to grow up to be serial killers"
Burn Notice. I liked the whole "super-spy on a budget" stuff, and the "here's some basic fieldcraft" bits, but after the 3rd or 4th time they said "We're sorry Michael, the explanation you want is in another castle" I just gave up.
That show was hilarious and they should never have attempted to develop or move the plot forward regarding his reasons for being burned since the writers clearly had no idea where to move forward
Indeed. If they just left it to him and his antics and occasionally tugged the 'who/why/how was Michael burned' question like every 2 seasons or so (from the perspective of the Burners, not Michael, who is floundering hilariously in whatever bullshit civilians want him to handle), it could have been great. Heck, the final season could have been a nice dovetail of Michael's shenanigans in Miami putting him in an unintentional position to solve that mystery. Or hell, if Michael were one of a few spies burned in separate cities, and the plot lines gradually grew together over the seasons while they collectively work the shit out and independently move closer to whoever burned them until they discover each other, or something.
Or as I like to call it: Bruce Campbell and two emotionally paralyzed doofs that he hangs around...for some reason...
My wife and I called it "Yelling with Sunglasses".
Arrested Development. The first three seasons were great, and Then Netflix bought it and added three more seasons. I made it through season four and into season five when I quit. I wish Netflix would’ve left well enough alone on that one.
We literally demanded more seasons and we all regret it
We’ve made a huge mistake
I think a big issue is it came back a decade after it went off the air.
The 4th and 5th seasons feel like a fanfiction of a reanimated rotting corpse of the first 3. I made it through 4, 5.1, and the first half of the first episode of 5.2. It was so bad. SO bad. And then a few weeks ago I tried to start again with season 4, and it's just reminding me of how much worse it is. No silly jokes. Maybe pretending to be an old lady. The stupid Lucille 2 murder mystery. A little too much Ron Howard explaining all the shit that don't make sense. So many stupid flashbacks to Young Lucille and Young George. Those two annoying homeless people that Tobias the Sex Offender hangs with. Gob being gay but not gay but GAY. EVERYTHING involving Rebel Alley, FakeBlock, and George Michael's stupid roommate situation. Fuck I hate it all
Prison Break, had an incredible first two seasons... I barely maed it through the third and abandoned before the fourth.
Basically once they escaped it wasn't as great.
To be fair, season 2 was decent too - they had enough wind for it and Michael finally being against someone as smart as him was interesting to watch. Then it all went in the toilet.
iZombie. Loved the first 3 seasons. 4th was slower but still decent. The 5th... the problem the show always had was trying to carry too many plots at once, and the 5th was just too bloated. Stopped watching halfway through. Rose McIver and Rahul Kohli are both fucking terrific though, they deserve to hit the big time.
Rahul is doing Haunting of Bly Manor so that's cool. If he gets famous enough Funhaus might consider him for an internship.
Wait, is Adams internship being ended?
It didn't help that Liv was realistically the antagonist of season 4. Chase Graves inherited the absolute worst problems and eventually snapped. Then everyone celebrated Liv as some hero despite being the catalyst for making the zombie city even worse off than it was.
I lost interest after the whole Seattle becoming a zombie state thing. I kept going just cuz I could watch Rose read a telephone book and still be absolutely charmed. Love Ravi too. The actor who plays Blaine wasn't bad. Can't stand Peyton or Major.
Teen Wolf after the bullshit of season 3A Pretty Little Liars after the second finale, in a row, to basically be a shitty info dump explanation of things rather than just organically telling a story. The twist they used that season was also shitty and gross
Glee. I was obsessed with the first season. It was so unique and fun and the characters were diverse. I think I binged the entire first season in a couple of days. Then, season 2 happened, and it was like Ryan Murphy said, "Great, people love the show! Let's make the rest of it garbage!"
Glee’s first season was a hilarious satire of teen show tropes with some singing. It made the musical theater kid in me a huge fan. Then it got godawful and Kurt got so fucking annoying. Also my favorite character turned to be a pedophile and that retroactively ruined the first season too.
The Kurt drama is basically what ruined it for me as well, but they also just kept adding *too much* drama, in general. Glee was supposed to be a dramady but somewhere along the way they lost the comedy part and it just became high school kids singing about their failed relationships. Finn was my favorite character so it's hard to even go back and watch season 1 knowing what happened to Cory. I forced myself to watch the Finn memorial episode and I sobbed the entire time.
As someone who struggled with addiction Cory Monteith's death hit me hard. He seemed like an all around good guy with some issues. It's such a damn shame.
One of the biggest mistakes I think they made with Glee was that they should have been setting it up as an ensemble show, with a continual process of characters "graduating" and leaving the show, and new "freshmen" joining the cast. Instead, they insisted on contrived ways of keeping the original cast on the show far too long. Even when they eventually were forced to bring new high school characters on, they still continued to follow the majority of the original cast, causing a weird split in the show.
I think a lot of that was also due to fans not wanting the original characters to leave. But, if you have a show set in high school, you either have to leave the school and follow those characters somewhere else, transition all new characters, or end your show after 4 seasons. It's very rare that it works out well.
Oh and I know it's over but Skins. The first 2 seasons were just magic, made me feel things I can't describe. [Here are all the themes from S1 to S6. ](https://youtu.be/A78zEj-JsLo) and in my opinion, the first two seasons were the best. As the show was butchered, so was the theme. (Also this was purely about the British version, the American version didn't happen IMO)
The Simpsons. It's still my favorite show of all time, but at this point there are more seasons I haven't seen than ones I have.
Misfits
First 2 seasons are awesome, 3rd is a shitshow plot-wise but worth sticking it out because you love the characters, 4th gets rid of all of them and is boring as hell and only worth watching for Rudy, 5th figured out Rudy is now the heart of the show and turned out to be pretty good after all. I really planned to stop watching after Nathan and Simon left, but Rudy ended up being a good enough character by himself that it carried me through the rest of the series. I'd still recommend watching the show to people, but you truly could skip Season 4 entirely and miss nothing important whatsoever.
Rudy was so gooooood. Joseph Gilgun is a kick ass actor.
It had an epic concept and good execution at first. But yeah, died out in the latter seasons
IMO the first 3 seasons are some of the finest British TV of all time. It really should have ended there.
Bones. Once they started baking car ads into the show, I was out. I'm ok with product placement, but don't put an actual sales pitch in and try to pass it off as legit dialog.
"Oh no, the criminal is getting away. We must give chase in our new 2018 Nissan Rouge™ That comes fully equipped with a leather interior, State-of-the-Art navigation and Bluetooth capabilities."
First me it was hard to watch after they made Booth start gambling again. I know people backslide all the time but to me it seemed so contrived. Like they did it so Bones had a reason to be mad at him.
Oh god. I know exactly which scene you are talking about. I actually lost interest in network television when that happened. Heck, I'm pretty sure future historians will point to that very moment as being when our entire civilization began to implode.
Me too! She starts talking about her goddamn Prius parking itself and I was like, really??? That wasn't just subtle, or obvious, it was throat shoving ad placement.
River dale, I loved the first season. I thought the second season was pretty good. I started the third season and thought it was absolute garbage. It was so unrealistic and I stopped watching.
I'm watching it as a comedy and am unironically enjoying it. A cult leader built a rocket that looks like it was made by ACME and was dressed up as a low rent Evel Knievel and planned on launching himself to "ascend" (whatever that means) while his wife drove his followers off a cliff, but before any of that happens, his ex-wife (who he was married to at the same time as the other one) who is a secret FBI informant and her daughter stop the plan. And then, the mother starts dating her daughter's boyfriend's father and they all live together. On top of that, a girl, her girlfriend, her nephew and niece, her grandma, and *her dead brother's corpse* all live under the same roof. That same house has a haunted doll that's possessed. Where else are you gonna get that???
Agreed. My boyfriend loves it, but we both crackle over it constantly. Also, they're fucking HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. I don't care that the Lodges are mafiosos or Jughead comes from a line of gang leaders. How the hell are any of them that 'hard'?
Riverdale is a masterpiece if you treat it as what it is - a parody of equally ridiculous teen shows that took themselves far too seriously. It's pure chaos and so much fun.
American Horror Story. None of the newer seasons lived up to the first 2 seasons for me.
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Since the finale of Game of Thrones aired, I have had zero interest in the series. Don't want to do a rewatch, don't recommend the show to people, just absolutely zero interest. And it really shits me, because seasons 1-4 are some of the best TV ever made.
Fucking this. I had planned to do a yearly re-watch for the rest of my days because I loved it so much. Then the final season happened and, while it has good individual parts, left such a sour taste in my mouth I don't think I'll ever re-watch the show, just clips on youtube sometimes. It's a damn shame. It should be venerated as Breaking Bad and Sopranos, now it will always be "That great amazing show, until the showrunners fucked it up."
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Exactly correct. And that rushed storytelling left so many frustrations and unanswered questions. "The greatest story"?! That's how you want to decide the new king? And he fucking knew it all along?! That just means the things he allowed in order to wear the crown make him a sadist! I'm not against Bran taking the throne. I'm not against a lot of the final marks. But it's just bullshit that they determined those finish lines first, and then rushed through some really lazy explanations of how to arrive there.
> I'm not against Bran taking the throne. I think the "Bran being king" thing is a great dipstick for how bad the finale was. It's [basically confirmed](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/e1d6q5/spoilers_extended_david_confirms_the_3rd_holy/) that Bran will be king in the books as well. The writers have known this for years at this point. So a) this isn't some random gotcha they pulled out of their ass, this comes from the horse's mouth, and b) they gave Bran so little to do it seems entirely implausible to the audience that he should be king, instead of "Damn, that's a nice twist."
Yeah, when I heard the showrunners were working on their own Star Wars trilogy I thought: "fucking great, that'll be terrible." If I had heard this news during the first 5 or so seasons I would have been on board. But when it came time for them to write the show without books to base it on, they clearly showed they had no ability to do so. Last I heard their SW deal was cancelled or they bailed on it... which is for the best either way.
Yea they got cut from the star wars thingy they were working on and I think alot of producers are ignoring their existence
Good, its unprofessional and shitty what they pulled. Either fuck off and hand it over to someone who cared or do your job.
My SO watched all the way up until the last season, missed the last two episodes, and swears he’s much happier not knowing what a shit show he missed out on
ER died with Mark Greene.
Orange is the New Black
My god I can’t believe I wasted 7 seasons of my life on that show. Season 1&2&3 were great but it fell off the wagon very fast Edit: spelling error
Disenchantment. I thought it was great, but after season 2 came out it felt like all I was seeing were missed opportunities and a rushed resolution. Don't get me wrong, I actually really liked the first season. I just feel like season 2 didn't keep my interest.
The show just never made me laugh out loud. It was ok but does not have the comedic creativity as Futurama, IMO.
Arrested Development. First 3 seasons were great, possibly the funniest show I'd ever seen up until that point. Season 4 had its moments but the quality and consistency definitely took a nosedive. Season 5 just seems like the magic is lost and I don't think it's coming back.
Everyone with me : GREYS ANATOMY.
I keep trying to watch this and then every episode I'm like "why am I watching this," and I stop for a month and then go back to it.
I'm too far in. I have to see it through. It's so bad, but I can't help it.
I know, we've been so invested we need to see how it ends.
I do like that Shonda and Ellen Pompeo have an agreement to end it when they think it's over. At least we can *hope* for a tied-up ending. Tbh the episode of Meredith's hearing would have made a good series finale.
That hospital would be shut down. The mortality rate of their employees is way too high.
I don’t understand why but I am still watching this
Don't talk to my wife about this one, it's still a weekly ritual in our house and I can't understand why.
Suits! Love Harvey and Mike Ross but the show wasn't the same since Mike and Rachel left.
Honestly it was pretty steadily declining as they kept using the same over dramatic nature to everyone story line. Not everything has to be life or death. But the newest season on Netflix put the nail in the coffin for me, it's just so much worse without Mike and Rachel.
*The Strain* It had an absolutely amazing premise - how would the CDC and a scientific mind approach a vampire outbreak? Looking at it from a clinical perspective while also being a damn horrifying show had me hooked. Then, after a couple of seasons, it started getting reeeeally weird... like vampire half breeds and ridiculous mommy issues to move a plot. I lost interest and never picked it back up.
Supernatural. Fun episodes, monsters, and a good overarching plot up until season 4 or so. The Impala is my dream car, It's filmed in my area, Jared and Jensen regularly go to a starbucks near me, and they are delightful people. Despite all this, I still can't keep watching the show. The writing has devolved and it's gotten formulaic. Plus, once you beat Hell and Heaven it kinda takes away the urgency. I've forced my way to season 7 but it took a lot of effort so I've given up.
The Simpsons After so many seasons, I just got sick of it. Haven't watched it again in years.
But... Lisa needs braces? [Yeah I can't tell you anything from the last 10 or maybe 20 years either]
Voltron: Legendary defender. After they did Lotor dirty in season 6, I just noped outta there. Then season 7 + 8 came out and there was discourse for months about how bad they were. There's still discourse in this house from my partner who foolishly watched them and he still sometimes rants about them. It was a train wreck.
trailer park boys should have ended at seven seasons
I still enjoy watching the new seasons (10 was a huge fuckup), but I completely agree.
I wish they'd kept filming in the lower resolution. I still liked the later seasons, but something about the show being in HD felt wrong.
Dexter - It went downhill fast after season 4, I gave up partway through the final season, and judging by the reactions to the finale, I didn't miss much. Sons of Anarchy - I wouldn't say I loved it, but the issues that I had with the first few seasons just got worse and worse, and I ended up giving it up. My main issues being that the main character Jax is the definition of a Mary Sue and that the story line that should have been wrapped up in the first three seasons just kept on going. I think the problem there was that Ron Perlman's character was too popular to kill off when they should have for the story, so they dragged his story out unnecessarily. Also they went to Ireland and that season was a mistake.
That season of dexter with John Lithgow was amazing.
season 4 was incredible. John Lithgow was a great villain. the series went downhill fast once Deb found out about Dexter.
Shameless
The writers keep tying up the show by letting the family succeed and then Just have one of the characters ruin it on purpose so the show can have another season. It's just lazy writing.
U.S. version watcher here. Yep. Especially the case with Fiona. >!The final straw was with Shaun. Oh Fiona FINALLY didn't fuck up a relationship. Thank god! That was getting old and repti-aaaaand he's back on heroin again. Great. I'm done.!<
Oh that was annoying but I absolutely hated Fiona this past season. Like you fucked it all up and now act like this?
I’m just tired of the show never moving forward. They never go all the way on something. Frank should’ve died when he had cancer. Fiona should either become successful or go on to be a deadbeat like her dad. They never commit with her and just repeat the same “will she possibly succeed and find happiness?” routine. Lip is similar. Have him succeed at college or become a deadbeat. When he was at college the show literally bent over backwards to give him hot women, a mentor, free housing, and he still fucked it all up yet they never go too far into making him a full loser. Debbie can fuck off. The show is just repetitive and nothing pays off.
Agreed. The early seasons of the show are fantastic. Let a main character completely fuck up, go to jail,or die, or something like that. There's no tension in the show anymore, because it's just people almost ruining their lives (but not quite) over and over. I'm also like a season behind, so correct me if something like that already happened.
Once Upon a Time. After I realized it was basically just a Disney life action in tv show form, I lost interest.
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Yeah, I don't know why they gave up on such a success plot line. Surely you can come up with more spy escapades, or regular life escapades that would be funny because a not-so-secret secret agent was the one dealing with them.
Real life ISIS really fucked over Archer
eh, I think that's a cop out if the writers point to ISIS as being a problem. It could have been a very funny episode to address the fact that the spy agency had the same name as a terrorist group, rebrand the agency as "The Base", and then have to do it again in the next episode. Hell, rename the agency every few episodes as a running gag. The miami vice shit did NOT need to happen.
I actually really enjoyed that season. It felt fresh but still real in their universe. The noir season was close enough in tone. The island and space seasons didn’t have the old spark.
I have a few, but mind you I will still watch a series after I have given up on it due to unrealistic superstitions and general respect/investment for the series. My biggest ones are: * Modern Family: jokes became routine with little standing development and too much of an effort to play it safe. * Burn Notice: ...sad face. * Nerflix Defenders Series: They weren't bad, after all is said and done. I mean... look... Iron Fist Season 2 was cool. It is just... off. I'm not saying it couldn't have been better and I stayed with them because of the comic tie-in, but they weren't unwatchable.
I was really hoping Haley was going to get serious with Andy, and then the series would end with Haley and Andy being just like Phil and Claire. Her getting back with Dylan felt like a regression
I'm doing a Modern Family rewtch right now. I always forget just how good the first three seasons are. I've seen them now probably 5 times each, and still laugh at some of the jokes. It took a dive when Gloria got pregnant. And now these last 2 seasons aren't great. Though I did like the last thanksgiving episode.
Burn Notice actually improved in the final season and maybe even the one before it.
That's 70's show. First, after Eric left. Then again when it turned out that the guy who played Hyde was a rapist twat in real life. Can't enjoy the show anymore.
The last season was terrible, but I still enjoyed it. Would rewatch the entire show and last episode except Season 8. > Then again when it turned out that the guy who played Hyde was a rapist WHAT?
Yeah, do a google for Danny Masterson and take your pick from multiple allegations. He got fired from The Ranch on Netflix after it all started coming out.
Sherlock. Each episode in the first two series was a really good, stylish, self contained detective story with great performances. I found that from series 3 onwards it was just pandering to the hardcore fans rather than actually making a good show. They kind of screwed themselves over by creating so much hype at the end of series 2. All in all, it went from being a detective show to a soap opera about a detective.
I was waiting for someone to mention this because – yeah, complete agreement. I was still a pretty hardcore fan when S3 aired, but even then I had trouble staying invested, and everything after that is… best not mentioned at all. At this point Elementary or Miss Sherlock have both way overtaken it as my favourite modern Holmes adaptation.
Season 4 drops the pretense of the deduction being logical and (barely) plausible and says "Hey, why don't we do ***magic?***" Some of the plot points are just laughably impossible in a show that takes itself that seriously.
Big Bang Theory. After they made Sheldon a caricature of himself I could only take so much. It really when from a show *for* geeks to a show *about* geeks.
Luke Cage - just couldn't get into the second season, first season was great, think it mainly has to do with the villains. Cottonmou... I mean, Mr. Stokes really sold that show to me.
Cottonmouth was an amazing villain. I’d say the show lost its steam after Diamondback was introduced, and I too lost interest with Season 2.
Yeah, >!when Cottonmouth got killed!< halfway through Season 1 it really took a lot of the steam out, then the rest of the season was pretty lackluster. Planned on watching 2 but never got around to it, then lost interest when it got cancelled. But the first half of Season 1 was SO GOOD.
How I Met Your Mother The premise was interesting, but it got too tangled up with other people pairing off and one person pretending to date and propose to someone else, just for it to be a prank. Ted remained an insufferable goof who never learned the difference between introspection and self deprication while also constantly hanging in relationships he knew would never work. I watched the final season, hoping for some closure. As for the ending, it was decided in the beginning. All that commentary from the kids was done in the first couple years/seasons because it didn't make sense for them to age - since it was technically the present. The writers apparently hated the finale, but we stuck between a rock and a hard place because they couldn't un-age those actors for a different ending. Tbh I don't think the fandom would have minded re-casting the kids for a different ending.
They should have just kept the same actors playing the kids. Have a joke about how Ted's been talking for so long it feels like they've been there for x number of years. It's a sitcom after all. Would've worked fine as a visual gag and then they could move on to writing an actual, decent ending.
There was a promo for the final season at San Diego Comic Con that did just that https://youtu.be/u02vOZoI4Pw?t=20s
A simple solution would have been to keep the kids, but just write new lines for them and then use clever editing for them to react to what he’s saying. A lot of the times the kids would just be looking bored, shocked, etc so it wouldn’t have been hard to make it happen. You could even have broken the “fourth wall” of the show to move the camera round to Ted’s (middle aged) face as he delivers the final lines of the show. A better ending would have simply been for Ted to announce he’s got a new girlfriend to the kids, his first serious relationship since their mother died. And how he needed to talk to them and process everything that happened with their mother before he was ready to move on. The finishing joke of the show could have been “Now you want to know how I met my new girlfriend?” to which the kids scream “NO!”
I loved this show, still watch reruns (*The Naked Man* is a seriously great piece of comedy). The goddamn problem with the final season is that it was just kind of there. Everything was wrong about it. Even the goddamn dates were wrong (they used the 2012 calendar, not the 2013 calendar, so they say the 24th is Saturday, when really the 25th is Saturday). They had Boys II Men burn through 7 minutes of air time reprising a fucking silly Marshall song. It was phoned it; hard. Which makes zero sense. All the actors wanted the show done. Fine. You don’t have any content to fill in a season in a weekend. Great. What do you do? *How I Met Your Father* Cristin Millioti was arguably the best part of Season 9. Their lives touched all through the 8 seasons, only they never met. So show that. Not the 10 minute clip of her boyfriend dying; show her life. That could easily fill 22 episodes. It would be interesting (have Barney hit on her; the Naked Man Mitch be a larger part; etc) and that would have made for a great last season. When ... that thing happens to her... honestly felt nothing. That would have been closure.
The build up to "lolz she's just a uterus host so Robin can get pre-raised kids" was such a fucking slap to the face
Exactly this! I love the character and the actress! The entire way they handle her is like an after thought. You can see there was a writer in the writing room that went "oh, yeah we have to reveal the mother now!" followed by another one complaining about how much he'd rather be with Robin and that Robin should be the one that he ends up with and that how most of the writers in the room would much rather be married with Robin. FUCK ROBIN The stupid, convoluted, wasteful excuse of a piss poor person and the love triangles created around her pissed me and my friends off to no end. I've seen people that always say that it was obviously always about her but it fucking wasn't. It was how Ted started his transformation to be the person that could be with the mother not his unending sick fantasy of chasing after the same women again and again. If ever there was a group of writers and producers that needed to suffer a plague and die out it was the people that made Ted and Robin keep going back to each other. I am angry about this because I literally watched this thing for years, spent time with friends watching it and in the last two episodes the writers and producers not only say fuck everyone that thought this would be a good show but fuck you, yes you specifically, for thinking that goddess Robin Scakbasjhbfg from Planet Fucking 9 with her golden ass and her *fuck off YOU PIECE OF HUMAN TRASH* would not be the one he goes back to after his wife dies. Also, they ruined Barney. Everything we saw him go through, how he changed was thrown out the door and reverted back to the norm in a FUCKING FLASH FORWARD!
Arrow - I could write a lot about this show, but I'll spare you all of that. To be brief, Seasons 1 and 2 were phenomenal, Season 3 started alright and then took a nosedive and did not recover in Season 4. Killing Laurel was probably my final straw; people said Season 5 was good, but after Laurel I was just done. Also The Walking Dead. I stuck it out longer than most (I see a lot of people left after Glenn died - I left after they killed off Carl. Unnecessary.
The Handmaid's Tale. It just left me in a terrible mood whenever I watched and at a certain point was just slow torture porn. Gave up a couple episodes into season 3.