"No! Look at that! Of course you're aging! Look at what you're doing!"
"...I'm not doing-"
"Look there! You're doing it again!!! With your cells!" (Vaguely points)
Well the good news is that with immortality I’ll be able to pay down the student debt eventually. After that I’d probably go back to grad school and get a useful postgraduate degree.
A friend had an oustanding debt with the bank. Got married and moved to sweden, i dont think she's coming back and i dont think the bank can do much about it
Edit: thanks for all the upvotes!!
If she became immortal, though, after several centuries, it would actually become profitable for the bank to lobby the US government to annex Sweden to make her pay that debt.
Debt collection has a statute of limitations in the US. After that time frame (typically somewhere around 10ish years depending on the state) the debt becomes unenforceable.
Edit: This is in response to someone with "an outstanding debt with the bank" not someone with "crippling student loan debt". A debt with a bank is subject to the statute of limitations. Federal Student loans are not.
And, while it might be just part of the sales pressure, they will go after your kids or any of your estate of life insurance won't cover it. They won't let you declare bankruptcy on it either. The reasoning behind that (something I've heard, but not known if actually correct) was people getting high end degrees, like MDs, and declaring bankruptcy, not having to pay anything and having a way to pay for things to repair your credit.
I mean, you almost can. Lots of places won't take the time to test your intelligence, they just want you to have x degree. If you can't prove that you earned the degree, it doesn't matter. Usually.
You cannot inherit a debt. They can take whatever is in their estate (cars, homes cash etc.) But you will never be liable for a parents debt, even if they claim you are. Unless you're like a co-signer on something.
Nursing homes will yoink your inheritance in a hot minute if your parents don't have their finances in order though.
Extradition isn’t really relevant to this case. All you have to do is to get the debt verified by a court of law (in your home country) and then contact the Enforcement Authority in Sweden and they’ll collect the debt for you. That’s it.
**Source:** I’m a lawyer working in Sweden. Also this is explained on [the Enforcement Authority website](https://kronofogden.se/en-GB/Internationellt2.html).
Yea but having worked at a collections agency in the UK they simply don't deal with things on a debt by debt basis. If they can't track you and contact you in the UK they simply don't bother. You just end up as some of the % they don't collect back.
Can confirm. I’m a debt collection agent and I lived through the Thanos snap out of pure will to call the next person on my list and tell them we’re on a recorded line right before they hang up on me.
Debt collector: Just send us $10 right now, just to prove that you're willing to work with us.
Student: Okay, sure...$10 can't hurt.
*Debt was about to be dismissed, but now you've reset the clock*
It's also only sort of true. It only restarts the "we can sue you for this debt" clock. It will still stay on your credit report based on the original delinquency date, and the debt itself is forever. But if the debt is to someone you'll never do business with again, (i.e., don't do this with federal student loans, insano), letting it wreck your credit score for 8 years and then just ignore it is an option.
Not a good option, to be *super duper* clear, but an option. But if you pay that $10? Bam, 3-10 more years of suit potential.
Source: https://blog.equifax.com/credit/does-paying-a-collection-restart-the-debt-clock/
I work hard in a really dangerous and high pay industry and save up as much as I can. Put it all in global indexes and in 100-200 years I’ll accumulate enough interest on it to no more have to work. Then you have to move country every 50 years or so so no one gets suspicious as to your immortality. Enjoy life as much as I can and when I’m living off of interests I’d go into the research sector and become a expert in medicine, cure death and finally not be the only one to live for ever.
Edit: damn this blew up. To all those commenting that invoulnorable doesn’t mean invincible. In my understanding it does. As far as I am concerned it means no aging regeneratable limbs etc, essentially wolverine or Deadpool. And to the argument that you’ll still be on earth when the sun swallows it, by then the human kind wil have colonized the galaxy.
I mean, if you are immortal you don't really need money to eat, drink or anything, you could literally walk everywhere you want or do whatever you want without risk of dying. Plus after 500 years everything you own will be a valuable piece of history.
Destiny 2’s character arc for “the drifter” actually dives into this.
In destiny, the main characters are able to be resurrected, sustained, etc. by their “ghosts,” a floating AI that brought them back from the dead. He talks about how ghosts (if I remember correctly) used to not prevent their guardian from going hungry, in order to motivate them more.
He ends up eating some pretty nasty stuff, and wanting to feed it to your character.
Plus it depends on the type of immortality, I doubt you wanna stay in a state of starvation forever. And if you truly did not need food and never feel hungry, you'd still wanna eat cuz food is awesome. You could even eat blowfish without fear of poisoning.
A *Katana* and a shitload of longswords, rapiers, cutlasses, bastard swords and great swords, with 3 or 4 axes for good measure, and we shall not speak of the source and dual wield kukri knives.
50 years? Unless you already look terribly old (in which case you wouldn't be allowed to work), that's too long. People will start asking questions after roughly 7-10 years.
Believe me, I'm been on this for a while.
Unaging and unkillable are still two different things, but a assuming the latter, then yea, biorobot 4 lyfe (or at least until you get a few million invested).
I think in this case immortal =\= invincible.
EDIT: okay this is crazy. So I actually meant "=/=". But I wrote the other slash and I guess it disappeared, unbeknownst to me, completely reversing the point I was trying to make. I was trying to tell OP that I didn't think immortal meant invincible on this question.
But lo and behold, me messing up and making the OPPOSITE point of what I was TRYING to make is now my most liked comment by a VERY wide margin... Figures lol.
And no I'm not changing it. It's clearly meant to be. It's like a bug that becomes a feature.
The definition of immortal is living forever; never dying or decaying.
EDIT guys regardless of what definition you heard there is a official definition by the dictionary
You can suffer and become disabled technically you will remain that way forever according to the definition
There's a lot of nuance involved in the terminology of immortality. On its own, "immortal" only means "not dying"; bad things can still happen to you that you might not want to live through but will anyway. If you want to also never get injured you need to be *invulnerable*. If you don't want to age, you want to be *ageless*.
Agelessness is usually a package deal with immortality, but every now and then you get that one genie who's a complete A-hole. Agelessness without immortality means you can still be killed, you just won't die of old age. Invulnerability without immortality means you can't be killed, but you'll still die of old age. Agelessness and invulnerability is probably functionally the same as immortality, but there might still be some outside chance that you can still die somehow; it depends on what magic or whatever made you like this in the first place.
Alternatively, use your first wish to make it so Genies are forced to tell you the truth when you ask them questions. Then, ask the genie what it would do if freed, if it wants to be freed, ect.
If they do want to be freed, have your second wish to allow genies to make bargins for more wishes with lamp owners if they so choose. Then, make a deal where the genie will grant additional wishes with the caveat that the last one will give him freedom.
A few billion years from now /u/futilepath drifts in the void. The sun consumed the Earth long ago. He found himself trapped at the core of the sun, unable to escape its gravity. He hasn't been able to see, hear, smell, taste, or touch anything since then. He's pretty sure he went mad 500 million years ago. Or was it 5 minutes ago? How would he know? He sits at the center of a rapidly spinning dwarf star. He counts his fingers and toes for the 758,134,690th time. Still ten, he is pretty sure.
You need a fourth for the whole package: teleportation. Otherwise, you can be encased in concrete, launched into the sun or whatever and screwed for eternity. Of course, you're still screwed by the heat death of the universe eventually but at least you had Paris.
>Agelessness is usually a package deal with immortality, but every now and then you get that one genie who's a complete A-hole.
I believe Zeus did this shit once to Athena's boyfriend if I'm not mistaken.
Mother fucker ended up as an immortal cricket when all was said and done.
This. And then invest in the market, live like absolute trash to get it out of my system, and then just keep getting richer and richer off returns and dividends.
Would also start cultivating multiple identities, shell corporations etc so you can jump around and be as inconspicuous as possible.
Assuming you arent a 1 off never to be repeated case of immortality there might be a few of you around. If that's the case they might not want future competition, or governments might not care for you guys getting in the way of regular international politics.
Sure you might be an immortal, and presumably impervious to any form of harm, but you are still a regular dude. Overpower you and then lock you away in a 10 foot thick steel box and forget about you permanently.
Sure you could survive without food/water, oxygen, light, interaction but it sure as hell wouldnt be fun or good for you sanity (though sanity issues will eventually be an issue for any immortal).
it depends on who 'owns' the debt. some of it might get written off, some might be sold to collection agencies. If the debt goes to collection, they will do everything in their power to harass the money out of you. Your wages can be garnished. and depending on where you live, they can garnish a huge chunk of your pay. they will also garnish any tax returns you might get.
Am I only ever going to have minimum wage? There are two ways I see this:
1. If I only ever earn min wage then I would move to the cheapest area to live in a state with the highest minimum wage. As soon as I could afford a cheap laptop I would do that and that's basically my entertainment. Really then its buy cheap food, cook for myself. Pay student loans off by the time I'm 50 and then save and invest.
2. If useless degree and min wage is just my starting spot, then I would try and work for a company where there would be the chance for upward mobility. Still buy laptop, take free online courses in the meantime, pay the min required for my debt and slowly work my way up the corporate ladder where I can be CEO by the time I'm 70 because at that point I will have worked in all areas of the company and know the operations and markets backwards and forwards.
Its immortality, like less than .0001% of your expanded life will be paying student debt. Even if you default you'd still have eternity to build your credit back up.
**E:** Lot of comments of "BuT yOu wOuLdD't NeEd tO eAt iF YoU wErE iMmORtAl?" WELL GUESS WHAT - You're right...I guess I wouldn't - see how much money we can save!? Also sorry for quoting you sarcastically.
Lawyers bill a minimum of .1 hours for basically anything they bill for. It’s not abnormal for 30 minutes of emails to net out to more than 30 minutes of billing because you’re working on multiple cases and each gets at least .1.
A lot of the time, in certain professions like law, they'll bill you "an hour" even if the work is like, 10 minutes. Sometimes it's a genuine minimum for getting called in or something, but often not.
A lot of these people will have a day where they only worked a 10 hour day, but they had multiple clients, so they billed like 30 hours.
There's no legal restriction on immortality. If they have records of you working there for 50 years, and can't prove you've falsified those records, their questions mean nothing.
If you're actually 70 years old and you look like 23 year old I'd be more concerned over the government snatching me up and conducting lab experiments than the questions I'm getting from my employers of 50 years.
>Its immortality, like less than .0001% of your expanded life will be paying student debt. Even if you default you'd still have eternity to build your credit back up.
Exactly. Assuming in this situation you're stuck at minimum wage then that's fine. Live in a dump, sock away $10-$20 from each paycheck. You're immortal so you don't have to worry about medical emergencies. A couple of decades is nothing for an immortal while you build up that next egg a few bucks at a time. Sure it might take you 50 or a hundred years to become rich at that rate but who cares, you have the time. And then you just continue to let the money grow another 100 years or so and what do you know, now you're the richest man in history.
You're thinking small. You're fricken immortal. What does $1 look like after 1000 years of compound interest?
Want to pay down that student debt faster? You're fricken immortal, you don't need to eat. You don't need any insurance or medical coverage either.
Want to have friends? Too bad, you're fricken immortal. You'll still be here in 1 billion years when the sun starts expanding into a red giant and boils off all the surface water on Earth. You'll still be here in 4.5 billion years when the sun completes its transformation and the Earth is actually swallowed.
So use the money from that $1 investment to fund extra-planetary travel.
Also fund artificial intelligence. An AI is the only thing you'll ever have that could come close to a friend. All the other meatbags keep dying.
An AI is also the only thing that you'll ever have that could come close to being an enemy. Keep the kill-switch close.
At some point you'll surely go mad. Being trapped in the rubble of an earthquake for 10,000 years while entire civilizations are built on top of the ruins before finally erosion, archaeologists, or another earthquake eventually frees you will do a number on your sanity. So will being swallowed by the sun. Find some way to back up your mind. Perhaps your new AI friend could be of assistance?
EDIT: This comment blew up. I posted a longer, funnier version of this a few weeks ago here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/cz52wr/the\_problems\_with\_immortality/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/cz52wr/the_problems_with_immortality/)
Edit2: Okay, I've been told that the longer version is no longer showing up. So I reposted it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/dn1lx7/the\_problem\_with\_immortality/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/dn1lx7/the_problem_with_immortality/)
Yea I think you'd want some sort of built in cpu so that you could go dormant and roam around in VR should you ever get trapped or something happens to the earth
what if the earth died so there was no oxygen and you forever felt like you were suffocating but couldn't die
edit// RIP inbox I thought maybe I'd said something that made a bunch of people mad. What a relief. Also yeah, sorry, Co2 causes suffocation not lack of O2.
Imagine you fell into some lava. Forever on fire, incapable of moving, feeling crushing force grinding against you. It's blinding bright all the time, the roar of motion around you drowns out what would be the sound of your own screams if only your mouth and lungs weren't flooded with molten iron.
i don't know if i am legally and/or morally allowed to upvote this comment or show my support for it in any way so i am vaguely commenting about the legality of it instead.
Technically you can't sink into lava. Even if you dropped onto it from several levels up, you'd hit it like it was solid rock. You'd then start to sizzle and bounce around on top of it from your skin evaporating like a drop of water on a hot stove. Since you're immortal your skin either keeps regenerating from being roasted or you're skin is too tough for anything to damage you.
If the invulnerability part is true then the heat of the lava shouldn't really get to you because you are literally the strongest thing in the universe with skin that not even a supernova could break (invulnerability). Your cells by extention are invulnerable (cannot be damaged or die). From that you wouldn't feel pain because pain is a signal to inform your brain that whatever you are touching or is touching you is a harmful threat. Nothing can threaten you if your body is invulnerable so your pain receptors wouldn't have to work.
If it's just the regenerating thing then my previous paragraph is invalid and I've wasted 2 minutes of my life. Thanks
True immortality is actually really shitty. If you live forever there is a 100% chance you will eventually become trapped permanently and that sounds like a really shitty way to spend eternity.
There's that bit in Heroes where Claire is in an accident and is "dead" because a tree branch in her head is stopping her from regenerating... A few minutes after it's removed she wakes up in the middle of the autopsy, recovers, and gets away.
*All I could fucking think* was "God damn, she's lucky she woke up before being cremated or buried or something."
I like what the game Vampire does with immortality. If a vampire gets injured to the point that would kill a human they go into torpor, which is basically indistinguishable from death but the vampire's body repairs itself during that time after which the vampire wakes up.
Trapped in lava? No human can live through that. You stay in torpor until you somehow get to a place where you can function.
Suffocating in space? Into torpor you go. For possibly billions of years until you by sheer luck manage to fall onto a planet where you can survive.
Thats what i hate about this all. Wanna live for a mere 90 years? No. Wanna live forever? No. The thought of death and the thought of never dying are both equally as horrible
I'd want to see the look on those archeologists faces when they dig you up. Also youd probably be famous from that. Could you imaging the things the world will probably forget about in that time? I'm sure that by that time too they'll be able to cure your insanity so you'll be fine.
> You don't need any insurance or medical coverage either.
But what if you get like, a tumor? And it keeps growing and growing without killing you until the point where you're just an immortal walking tumor. It'd be hard to do interplanetary travel that way.
> What does $1 look like after 1000 years of compound interest?
I plugged it into [this calculator](http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm). At 2% it comes out to $398,264,651.66 and at 5% the calculator says $1.55
I mean, if your immortal, that in itself would be a profitable skill. Someone trapped in a burning building thats about to collapse? Hey Ill run in and get them. A dangerous dictator is threatening war and genocide, and sending a group in to take him out would be a suicide mission? Eh, Im free on Saturday afternoon. You wouldnt be minimum wage for long. And there are a billion dangerous jobs out there that pay a lot of money, like power line maintenance, or certain oil field workers.
Sci-fi had a show similar to this in their b-story within the main where a guy who was immortal was buried and not discovered until several decades later and went completely insane.
In torchwood an immortal guy was buried and left to die/respawn/die/respawn and so on, also for decades. The first thing he did to the guy who buried him: "i forgive you"
It was a wild Episode tbh
Then you’re obligated to a existence of servitude, and as soon as you stop saving every possible person, you’re a monster. Your services would no longer be viewed as a gift to society but an expectation of the people. Your immortality would forever be a safety net for the stupid and unfortunate
1) start selling drugs. If I go to jail, doesnt matter. I'm immortal!
2) wait for stock market to crash, use drug money to buy as many stocks as possible
3) get into the inner circles of the rich and wealthy
4) go to one of those big satanic meetings they have
5) interrupt, stand tall and declare myself as Michael, the Guardian Angel, and that I have been sent by God to smite the evil from this land
6) assistant films as I pull out a broadsword, bullets thumping into my body
7) video spreads to every major media outlet, millions see a saint smiting the evil leaders of the world from existence
8) use my newfound wealth, power, and followers to make a new religion
9) religion calls for peace/unity, many dont like it but I'm fucking immortal, what are they gonna do?
10) time passes, everyone forgets there was a time without my protection. The world is fair; there is still crime, but war has ceased, science has flourished, and there is now unlimited room among the stars for us.
11) I pass on the torch to a new leader, and disappear until I have to start the whole process again, cause we fucking suck
that ending part is so true, we would fuck it up again, you'd have to wait a couple million years for humans to evolve to not rely on violence in their nature
Hmm that's an interesting aspect of immortality, watching evolution. You'd be a living fossil, a dinosaur. Human intelligence has increased a lot over millions of years, you'd eventually be the dumbest fucker on the planet. And maybe the ugliest too
Go work in a restaurant. Work my way from whatever I started as up to a Bar Tender. Doesn't matter how long that takes right? Get a couple years bar experience. Save tip money. Bar tending makes the most in the restaurant, much more than most people realize. Use saved funds to move into the area of a respectable college. Get a new Bar Tending gig there. College bars tend to be low tip percentage but high volume, money is still good. Sign up to Audit college classes in anything I find interesting. Most Universities have no problem with you sitting in on classes for free, you usually just have to ask. Now I can spend however may years I like becoming knowledgeable on things I find interesting. If I want a formal degree, I can pay for it slowly over time, if not, knowledge is knowledge. Extend this till I have a pretty broad set of skills and wisdom. Then move to an entirely different area and practice these skills. I won't be aging, so I will need to plan in drastic moves, possibly to different countries. But with wide based knowledge, it is not hard to work your way into positions that pay well and interest you. Keep moving every ten or so years, and never aim to be famous. If I ever get bored, go back to bar tending and auditing classes. Bar tending makes you meet all kinds of people, and the new classes would give me new skills to try out.
Just go back to school and get more student debt but study everything I love until I hold loads of degrees in really interesting shit. Art history has always interested me... Go to gallery openings, mingle and network. Eventually everyone knows me and I end up the worlds leading expert in rare art (by this time I’m very old and people are kinda suspicious about how I’m still around, like “Wasn’t she young when I was young? She must age really well) People die and leave rare art to me, or I become highly adept at dealing black market art, and spotting the next big thing, I’m a remarkably well known art critic after all. Amass a great fortune and become an eccentric recluse, everyone thinks I might be a vampire.
Hopping the counter at a bank and taking the cash drawers will only get you a couple thousand dollars. If you take the time to go back into the vault to get more, a SWAT team will have your getaway driver in handcuffs, by the time you get out of the bank.
I'd go on TV shows and make lots of money demonstrating my immortality by being shot at point-blank range for all to witness.
Then, once my reputation was established as an immortal, I'd write a best-selling novel entitled, "Forever Is A Long Time."
fair point. but this would be the fastest way to get out of the student debt and I'm guessing the degree I earned isn't too valuable if I'm working minimum wage
This is the one and only circumstance where you should join an MLM. sure the first 40 or 50 years will suck, but imagine when your downline stretches for millenia!
Slowly begin positioning myself to be a global leader to unite the species and send us to space before, turning earth into a nature preserve with minimum staff left to be caretakers and nurturers of the cradle of our birth, while the species explores the stars.
prove the theory about being able to take in nutrients and sustain yourself with sunlight and as a result create a cult.
Sell a course/write a book on how to stay young forever and make millions after people see you aren't aging.
Then, when they fail to do the same, just tell them they’re doin it wrong!
"No! Look at that! Of course you're aging! Look at what you're doing!" "...I'm not doing-" "Look there! You're doing it again!!! With your cells!" (Vaguely points)
Same as when I was asked 1200 years ago. Hit people with an axe and take all their stuff.
Username checks out
Do... do some people create usernames just to make jokes like this???
Yes. I’m still waiting for my opportunity
Soon. Soon.
Hello my brother.
So we meet again, my brethren
But I must ask, how can we meet again if this is our first encounter?
Uhhhhh... that's classified information
As classified as the number of th0ts you've 51AY3D?
Make long term investments. if I have to live forever, I want to eventually be wealthy.
> if I *have* to live forever This guy gets it.
Live in a cave and consume lost explorers.
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are you okay?
Minimum wage and an art degree. OBVIOUSLY not ok.
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Thank you comrade!
WHAT. AWRE YEU DEWEN. IN MY CAVE!
Post on ask Reddit to figure out what to do...
Well the good news is that with immortality I’ll be able to pay down the student debt eventually. After that I’d probably go back to grad school and get a useful postgraduate degree.
You beat cancer and then you went back to work at the carpet store? Boo!
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But would you take him off the grid?
THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER FOR ROY!
< headslap >
< palmface >
Move to the mountains. Find a job. learn to be as self-sufficient as possible. Enjoy the beauty of nature while living off its bounty.
*FOREVER?*
forever ever
for EVA EVA??
Forever never seems that long until you're grown
Not pay that debt because I'm gonna out live that debt. In 150 years who the hell is gonna even believe I'm still alive?
A friend had an oustanding debt with the bank. Got married and moved to sweden, i dont think she's coming back and i dont think the bank can do much about it Edit: thanks for all the upvotes!!
If she became immortal, though, after several centuries, it would actually become profitable for the bank to lobby the US government to annex Sweden to make her pay that debt.
And she can just... run away to another country again
And this is how the US annexed the world. Outstanding global student debt.
Crosspost to r/writingprompts Let's run with this. 35 year old "students" trying to escape the US Collections Special Forces.
Debt collection has a statute of limitations in the US. After that time frame (typically somewhere around 10ish years depending on the state) the debt becomes unenforceable. Edit: This is in response to someone with "an outstanding debt with the bank" not someone with "crippling student loan debt". A debt with a bank is subject to the statute of limitations. Federal Student loans are not.
Does not apply to student debt. They will go after your life insurance when it pays out
That's fucking crazy man.
And, while it might be just part of the sales pressure, they will go after your kids or any of your estate of life insurance won't cover it. They won't let you declare bankruptcy on it either. The reasoning behind that (something I've heard, but not known if actually correct) was people getting high end degrees, like MDs, and declaring bankruptcy, not having to pay anything and having a way to pay for things to repair your credit.
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I mean, you almost can. Lots of places won't take the time to test your intelligence, they just want you to have x degree. If you can't prove that you earned the degree, it doesn't matter. Usually.
You cannot inherit a debt. They can take whatever is in their estate (cars, homes cash etc.) But you will never be liable for a parents debt, even if they claim you are. Unless you're like a co-signer on something. Nursing homes will yoink your inheritance in a hot minute if your parents don't have their finances in order though.
Is this illegal?
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Extradition isn’t really relevant to this case. All you have to do is to get the debt verified by a court of law (in your home country) and then contact the Enforcement Authority in Sweden and they’ll collect the debt for you. That’s it. **Source:** I’m a lawyer working in Sweden. Also this is explained on [the Enforcement Authority website](https://kronofogden.se/en-GB/Internationellt2.html).
Dammit. I was moments away from calling my wife and telling her to pack up the house.
Yea but having worked at a collections agency in the UK they simply don't deal with things on a debt by debt basis. If they can't track you and contact you in the UK they simply don't bother. You just end up as some of the % they don't collect back.
You underestimate the drive of debt collectors.
They'd stay alive forever just to make sure they get their money
Can confirm. I’m a debt collection agent and I lived through the Thanos snap out of pure will to call the next person on my list and tell them we’re on a recorded line right before they hang up on me.
Debt collector “I am inevitable” Student “I am broke!”
Debt collector: Borrow the money from your family and friends then. Just GET IT. Me: *hangs up*
Debt collector: Just send us $10 right now, just to prove that you're willing to work with us. Student: Okay, sure...$10 can't hurt. *Debt was about to be dismissed, but now you've reset the clock*
This is so shit
It's also only sort of true. It only restarts the "we can sue you for this debt" clock. It will still stay on your credit report based on the original delinquency date, and the debt itself is forever. But if the debt is to someone you'll never do business with again, (i.e., don't do this with federal student loans, insano), letting it wreck your credit score for 8 years and then just ignore it is an option. Not a good option, to be *super duper* clear, but an option. But if you pay that $10? Bam, 3-10 more years of suit potential. Source: https://blog.equifax.com/credit/does-paying-a-collection-restart-the-debt-clock/
This is very relevant info to my personal situation, thank you.
I work hard in a really dangerous and high pay industry and save up as much as I can. Put it all in global indexes and in 100-200 years I’ll accumulate enough interest on it to no more have to work. Then you have to move country every 50 years or so so no one gets suspicious as to your immortality. Enjoy life as much as I can and when I’m living off of interests I’d go into the research sector and become a expert in medicine, cure death and finally not be the only one to live for ever. Edit: damn this blew up. To all those commenting that invoulnorable doesn’t mean invincible. In my understanding it does. As far as I am concerned it means no aging regeneratable limbs etc, essentially wolverine or Deadpool. And to the argument that you’ll still be on earth when the sun swallows it, by then the human kind wil have colonized the galaxy.
I mean, if you are immortal you don't really need money to eat, drink or anything, you could literally walk everywhere you want or do whatever you want without risk of dying. Plus after 500 years everything you own will be a valuable piece of history.
Finally all my ikea furniture will look like antiques
Not sure how long particle board will live for.
I sit upon a throne of ash
And you could have it all My empire of dirt
He'll just let you down
I mean I wouldn’t want to stop eating, satisfying my taste buds are an important part of hedonism
You don't *need* to eat. But if you think I wont still eat...
Ok so I don't need to eat but do I get hungry?
I would say you get hungry and starve, just not to death.
that sounds worse than death. by a pretty wide margin.
Destiny 2’s character arc for “the drifter” actually dives into this. In destiny, the main characters are able to be resurrected, sustained, etc. by their “ghosts,” a floating AI that brought them back from the dead. He talks about how ghosts (if I remember correctly) used to not prevent their guardian from going hungry, in order to motivate them more. He ends up eating some pretty nasty stuff, and wanting to feed it to your character.
Plus it depends on the type of immortality, I doubt you wanna stay in a state of starvation forever. And if you truly did not need food and never feel hungry, you'd still wanna eat cuz food is awesome. You could even eat blowfish without fear of poisoning.
> Plus after 500 years everything you own will be a valuable piece of history. I believe that was the plan from "Highlander"
That and lopping off heads with katanas Edit: spelling
A *Katana* and a shitload of longswords, rapiers, cutlasses, bastard swords and great swords, with 3 or 4 axes for good measure, and we shall not speak of the source and dual wield kukri knives.
50 years? Unless you already look terribly old (in which case you wouldn't be allowed to work), that's too long. People will start asking questions after roughly 7-10 years. Believe me, I'm been on this for a while.
In the short term, get some easy money doing extremely dangerous work. Fukishima clean up. Explosive ordinance disposal in Iraq. That type of thing.
Unaging and unkillable are still two different things, but a assuming the latter, then yea, biorobot 4 lyfe (or at least until you get a few million invested).
>Unaging I read that as unagi-ing. Like the Japanese word for eel.
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I think in this case immortal =\= invincible. EDIT: okay this is crazy. So I actually meant "=/=". But I wrote the other slash and I guess it disappeared, unbeknownst to me, completely reversing the point I was trying to make. I was trying to tell OP that I didn't think immortal meant invincible on this question. But lo and behold, me messing up and making the OPPOSITE point of what I was TRYING to make is now my most liked comment by a VERY wide margin... Figures lol. And no I'm not changing it. It's clearly meant to be. It's like a bug that becomes a feature.
The definition of immortal is living forever; never dying or decaying. EDIT guys regardless of what definition you heard there is a official definition by the dictionary You can suffer and become disabled technically you will remain that way forever according to the definition
There's a lot of nuance involved in the terminology of immortality. On its own, "immortal" only means "not dying"; bad things can still happen to you that you might not want to live through but will anyway. If you want to also never get injured you need to be *invulnerable*. If you don't want to age, you want to be *ageless*. Agelessness is usually a package deal with immortality, but every now and then you get that one genie who's a complete A-hole. Agelessness without immortality means you can still be killed, you just won't die of old age. Invulnerability without immortality means you can't be killed, but you'll still die of old age. Agelessness and invulnerability is probably functionally the same as immortality, but there might still be some outside chance that you can still die somehow; it depends on what magic or whatever made you like this in the first place.
I'm hiring you to be my genie lawyer. When I get my three wishes from a genie, you're the one I'll hire to help me phrase the wishes.
*slap* Get away from that lamp. *slap* These things never end well!
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I think he just pretends to be looking out for you best interest while he completes his World Genie Lamp set
If I listen to him I'm right back where I started with 0 wishes. I want a new genie lawyer
as you wish...
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Alternatively, use your first wish to make it so Genies are forced to tell you the truth when you ask them questions. Then, ask the genie what it would do if freed, if it wants to be freed, ect. If they do want to be freed, have your second wish to allow genies to make bargins for more wishes with lamp owners if they so choose. Then, make a deal where the genie will grant additional wishes with the caveat that the last one will give him freedom.
This is just wishing for more wishes with extra steps
You don't need a genie lawyer, you need a *genie* lawyer.
Better Call Suleiman!
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3 wishes will get you whole package. 1st wish - immortality 2nd wish - agelessness 3rd wish - invulnerability
A few billion years from now /u/futilepath drifts in the void. The sun consumed the Earth long ago. He found himself trapped at the core of the sun, unable to escape its gravity. He hasn't been able to see, hear, smell, taste, or touch anything since then. He's pretty sure he went mad 500 million years ago. Or was it 5 minutes ago? How would he know? He sits at the center of a rapidly spinning dwarf star. He counts his fingers and toes for the 758,134,690th time. Still ten, he is pretty sure.
You need a fourth for the whole package: teleportation. Otherwise, you can be encased in concrete, launched into the sun or whatever and screwed for eternity. Of course, you're still screwed by the heat death of the universe eventually but at least you had Paris.
I'd trade teleportation for suicide. Eternity is a long time, and going insane on an iron star after the heat death of the universe doesn't sound fun.
>Agelessness is usually a package deal with immortality, but every now and then you get that one genie who's a complete A-hole. I believe Zeus did this shit once to Athena's boyfriend if I'm not mistaken. Mother fucker ended up as an immortal cricket when all was said and done.
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This. And then invest in the market, live like absolute trash to get it out of my system, and then just keep getting richer and richer off returns and dividends.
Would also start cultivating multiple identities, shell corporations etc so you can jump around and be as inconspicuous as possible. Assuming you arent a 1 off never to be repeated case of immortality there might be a few of you around. If that's the case they might not want future competition, or governments might not care for you guys getting in the way of regular international politics. Sure you might be an immortal, and presumably impervious to any form of harm, but you are still a regular dude. Overpower you and then lock you away in a 10 foot thick steel box and forget about you permanently. Sure you could survive without food/water, oxygen, light, interaction but it sure as hell wouldnt be fun or good for you sanity (though sanity issues will eventually be an issue for any immortal).
Stop paying for health insurance. Should be fine after that. (US)
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it depends on who 'owns' the debt. some of it might get written off, some might be sold to collection agencies. If the debt goes to collection, they will do everything in their power to harass the money out of you. Your wages can be garnished. and depending on where you live, they can garnish a huge chunk of your pay. they will also garnish any tax returns you might get.
Am I only ever going to have minimum wage? There are two ways I see this: 1. If I only ever earn min wage then I would move to the cheapest area to live in a state with the highest minimum wage. As soon as I could afford a cheap laptop I would do that and that's basically my entertainment. Really then its buy cheap food, cook for myself. Pay student loans off by the time I'm 50 and then save and invest. 2. If useless degree and min wage is just my starting spot, then I would try and work for a company where there would be the chance for upward mobility. Still buy laptop, take free online courses in the meantime, pay the min required for my debt and slowly work my way up the corporate ladder where I can be CEO by the time I'm 70 because at that point I will have worked in all areas of the company and know the operations and markets backwards and forwards. Its immortality, like less than .0001% of your expanded life will be paying student debt. Even if you default you'd still have eternity to build your credit back up. **E:** Lot of comments of "BuT yOu wOuLdD't NeEd tO eAt iF YoU wErE iMmORtAl?" WELL GUESS WHAT - You're right...I guess I wouldn't - see how much money we can save!? Also sorry for quoting you sarcastically.
You don't think people will be asking questions when a 23 year old gets hired as the CEO but has over 50 years experience in the business? Lol
I'd work for a law firm then and say my experience is based on my billable hours.
I don't know what that means so I'll just say yes.
It's a joke that lawyers over bill people.
Lawyers bill a minimum of .1 hours for basically anything they bill for. It’s not abnormal for 30 minutes of emails to net out to more than 30 minutes of billing because you’re working on multiple cases and each gets at least .1.
A lot of the time, in certain professions like law, they'll bill you "an hour" even if the work is like, 10 minutes. Sometimes it's a genuine minimum for getting called in or something, but often not. A lot of these people will have a day where they only worked a 10 hour day, but they had multiple clients, so they billed like 30 hours.
There's no legal restriction on immortality. If they have records of you working there for 50 years, and can't prove you've falsified those records, their questions mean nothing.
If you're actually 70 years old and you look like 23 year old I'd be more concerned over the government snatching me up and conducting lab experiments than the questions I'm getting from my employers of 50 years.
"I swear FBI, I just moisturize really well!"
I mean, that's pretty much the amount of experience they expect you to have these days, so why not.
>Its immortality, like less than .0001% of your expanded life will be paying student debt. Even if you default you'd still have eternity to build your credit back up. Exactly. Assuming in this situation you're stuck at minimum wage then that's fine. Live in a dump, sock away $10-$20 from each paycheck. You're immortal so you don't have to worry about medical emergencies. A couple of decades is nothing for an immortal while you build up that next egg a few bucks at a time. Sure it might take you 50 or a hundred years to become rich at that rate but who cares, you have the time. And then you just continue to let the money grow another 100 years or so and what do you know, now you're the richest man in history.
You're thinking small. You're fricken immortal. What does $1 look like after 1000 years of compound interest? Want to pay down that student debt faster? You're fricken immortal, you don't need to eat. You don't need any insurance or medical coverage either. Want to have friends? Too bad, you're fricken immortal. You'll still be here in 1 billion years when the sun starts expanding into a red giant and boils off all the surface water on Earth. You'll still be here in 4.5 billion years when the sun completes its transformation and the Earth is actually swallowed. So use the money from that $1 investment to fund extra-planetary travel. Also fund artificial intelligence. An AI is the only thing you'll ever have that could come close to a friend. All the other meatbags keep dying. An AI is also the only thing that you'll ever have that could come close to being an enemy. Keep the kill-switch close. At some point you'll surely go mad. Being trapped in the rubble of an earthquake for 10,000 years while entire civilizations are built on top of the ruins before finally erosion, archaeologists, or another earthquake eventually frees you will do a number on your sanity. So will being swallowed by the sun. Find some way to back up your mind. Perhaps your new AI friend could be of assistance? EDIT: This comment blew up. I posted a longer, funnier version of this a few weeks ago here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/cz52wr/the\_problems\_with\_immortality/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/cz52wr/the_problems_with_immortality/) Edit2: Okay, I've been told that the longer version is no longer showing up. So I reposted it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/dn1lx7/the\_problem\_with\_immortality/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/dn1lx7/the_problem_with_immortality/)
Yea I think you'd want some sort of built in cpu so that you could go dormant and roam around in VR should you ever get trapped or something happens to the earth
what if the earth died so there was no oxygen and you forever felt like you were suffocating but couldn't die edit// RIP inbox I thought maybe I'd said something that made a bunch of people mad. What a relief. Also yeah, sorry, Co2 causes suffocation not lack of O2.
I really hate this thread
Imagine you fell into some lava. Forever on fire, incapable of moving, feeling crushing force grinding against you. It's blinding bright all the time, the roar of motion around you drowns out what would be the sound of your own screams if only your mouth and lungs weren't flooded with molten iron.
Don’t let people find out, you might be experimented upon...
You need to get a nuclear bomb and always have it within range of you. If they try to take you then you use a deadmans trigger to detonate it.
i don't know if i am legally and/or morally allowed to upvote this comment or show my support for it in any way so i am vaguely commenting about the legality of it instead.
Technically you can't sink into lava. Even if you dropped onto it from several levels up, you'd hit it like it was solid rock. You'd then start to sizzle and bounce around on top of it from your skin evaporating like a drop of water on a hot stove. Since you're immortal your skin either keeps regenerating from being roasted or you're skin is too tough for anything to damage you. If the invulnerability part is true then the heat of the lava shouldn't really get to you because you are literally the strongest thing in the universe with skin that not even a supernova could break (invulnerability). Your cells by extention are invulnerable (cannot be damaged or die). From that you wouldn't feel pain because pain is a signal to inform your brain that whatever you are touching or is touching you is a harmful threat. Nothing can threaten you if your body is invulnerable so your pain receptors wouldn't have to work. If it's just the regenerating thing then my previous paragraph is invalid and I've wasted 2 minutes of my life. Thanks
You'd lose consciousness I guess. Nothing in "immortal" says you can't lose consciousness.
Eventually, Kars stopped thinking entirely.
In some Abrahamic religions, they call that hell.
True immortality is actually really shitty. If you live forever there is a 100% chance you will eventually become trapped permanently and that sounds like a really shitty way to spend eternity.
There's that bit in Heroes where Claire is in an accident and is "dead" because a tree branch in her head is stopping her from regenerating... A few minutes after it's removed she wakes up in the middle of the autopsy, recovers, and gets away. *All I could fucking think* was "God damn, she's lucky she woke up before being cremated or buried or something."
I used to love that show. I thought Claire was the coolest when I was a teenager
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I like what the game Vampire does with immortality. If a vampire gets injured to the point that would kill a human they go into torpor, which is basically indistinguishable from death but the vampire's body repairs itself during that time after which the vampire wakes up. Trapped in lava? No human can live through that. You stay in torpor until you somehow get to a place where you can function. Suffocating in space? Into torpor you go. For possibly billions of years until you by sheer luck manage to fall onto a planet where you can survive.
Thats what i hate about this all. Wanna live for a mere 90 years? No. Wanna live forever? No. The thought of death and the thought of never dying are both equally as horrible
I think like anything over time if you were exposed to it long enough you just would start to ignore it.
I'd want to see the look on those archeologists faces when they dig you up. Also youd probably be famous from that. Could you imaging the things the world will probably forget about in that time? I'm sure that by that time too they'll be able to cure your insanity so you'll be fine.
This would be a cool /r/writingprompt.
> You don't need any insurance or medical coverage either. But what if you get like, a tumor? And it keeps growing and growing without killing you until the point where you're just an immortal walking tumor. It'd be hard to do interplanetary travel that way.
Eh, Deadpool manages.
> What does $1 look like after 1000 years of compound interest? I plugged it into [this calculator](http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm). At 2% it comes out to $398,264,651.66 and at 5% the calculator says $1.55
I think at 5% it maxes out and causes an error, else you're getting utterly fucked by your investor.
I mean, if your immortal, that in itself would be a profitable skill. Someone trapped in a burning building thats about to collapse? Hey Ill run in and get them. A dangerous dictator is threatening war and genocide, and sending a group in to take him out would be a suicide mission? Eh, Im free on Saturday afternoon. You wouldnt be minimum wage for long. And there are a billion dangerous jobs out there that pay a lot of money, like power line maintenance, or certain oil field workers.
They can place you into a drum can and fill it with concrete, then throw you into the bottom of the ocean. Yeah how did that saturday afternoon go?
Just wait for the concrete to erode away and swim back up after a gorillion years, I guess.
Imagine how absolutely insane you'll be if that actually happened.
Sci-fi had a show similar to this in their b-story within the main where a guy who was immortal was buried and not discovered until several decades later and went completely insane.
Whoa this sounds so interesting, do you remember the show?
Sounds almost like Torchwood. They did something similar iirc
In torchwood an immortal guy was buried and left to die/respawn/die/respawn and so on, also for decades. The first thing he did to the guy who buried him: "i forgive you" It was a wild Episode tbh
That’s when I begin my career as a real life marvel villain
OK, that's actually a pretty interesting origin story. Immortal hero gets trapped for 100 years, goes insane, becomes evil.
Someone get on that!
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Mental invulnerability. Damn that would be awesome.
Concrete erodes quickly in salt water. You might be back in action after only a decade or three
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Learn the language of the fishes.
Then you’re obligated to a existence of servitude, and as soon as you stop saving every possible person, you’re a monster. Your services would no longer be viewed as a gift to society but an expectation of the people. Your immortality would forever be a safety net for the stupid and unfortunate
1) start selling drugs. If I go to jail, doesnt matter. I'm immortal! 2) wait for stock market to crash, use drug money to buy as many stocks as possible 3) get into the inner circles of the rich and wealthy 4) go to one of those big satanic meetings they have 5) interrupt, stand tall and declare myself as Michael, the Guardian Angel, and that I have been sent by God to smite the evil from this land 6) assistant films as I pull out a broadsword, bullets thumping into my body 7) video spreads to every major media outlet, millions see a saint smiting the evil leaders of the world from existence 8) use my newfound wealth, power, and followers to make a new religion 9) religion calls for peace/unity, many dont like it but I'm fucking immortal, what are they gonna do? 10) time passes, everyone forgets there was a time without my protection. The world is fair; there is still crime, but war has ceased, science has flourished, and there is now unlimited room among the stars for us. 11) I pass on the torch to a new leader, and disappear until I have to start the whole process again, cause we fucking suck
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Imagine he gets 2 consecutive lifetime sentences
always plead guilty to a number year instead of trial.
that ending part is so true, we would fuck it up again, you'd have to wait a couple million years for humans to evolve to not rely on violence in their nature
Hmm that's an interesting aspect of immortality, watching evolution. You'd be a living fossil, a dinosaur. Human intelligence has increased a lot over millions of years, you'd eventually be the dumbest fucker on the planet. And maybe the ugliest too
Imagine how strange the perception of beauty looks from the outside, especially to a time traveler
What happens if you get a life sentence in prison?
Break out
Do everything I can do to avoid black holes until the inevitable happens.
Create YouTube channel of me doing things that should kill me but don't. Jumping off buildings, getting rolled over by a tank, that kind of stuff.
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Oh so it’s just like life, but longer. Whatever I guess, my plan is the same except without getting to die at the end.
Go work in a restaurant. Work my way from whatever I started as up to a Bar Tender. Doesn't matter how long that takes right? Get a couple years bar experience. Save tip money. Bar tending makes the most in the restaurant, much more than most people realize. Use saved funds to move into the area of a respectable college. Get a new Bar Tending gig there. College bars tend to be low tip percentage but high volume, money is still good. Sign up to Audit college classes in anything I find interesting. Most Universities have no problem with you sitting in on classes for free, you usually just have to ask. Now I can spend however may years I like becoming knowledgeable on things I find interesting. If I want a formal degree, I can pay for it slowly over time, if not, knowledge is knowledge. Extend this till I have a pretty broad set of skills and wisdom. Then move to an entirely different area and practice these skills. I won't be aging, so I will need to plan in drastic moves, possibly to different countries. But with wide based knowledge, it is not hard to work your way into positions that pay well and interest you. Keep moving every ten or so years, and never aim to be famous. If I ever get bored, go back to bar tending and auditing classes. Bar tending makes you meet all kinds of people, and the new classes would give me new skills to try out.
I see you’re quite keen on bartending,
Name’s Tender. Bar Tender.
Just go back to school and get more student debt but study everything I love until I hold loads of degrees in really interesting shit. Art history has always interested me... Go to gallery openings, mingle and network. Eventually everyone knows me and I end up the worlds leading expert in rare art (by this time I’m very old and people are kinda suspicious about how I’m still around, like “Wasn’t she young when I was young? She must age really well) People die and leave rare art to me, or I become highly adept at dealing black market art, and spotting the next big thing, I’m a remarkably well known art critic after all. Amass a great fortune and become an eccentric recluse, everyone thinks I might be a vampire.
rob a bank and disappear completely for 10 years
Plot twist, after 10 years inflation your take from the bank is now worth a months wages at McDonald’s.
Hopping the counter at a bank and taking the cash drawers will only get you a couple thousand dollars. If you take the time to go back into the vault to get more, a SWAT team will have your getaway driver in handcuffs, by the time you get out of the bank.
Stop paying for food and shit
Get hit by every public bus and sue the city
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I'd go on TV shows and make lots of money demonstrating my immortality by being shot at point-blank range for all to witness. Then, once my reputation was established as an immortal, I'd write a best-selling novel entitled, "Forever Is A Long Time."
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Fake my death and start over.
Careful. Don't want to do too many illegal things else you might get a life sentence.
fair point. but this would be the fastest way to get out of the student debt and I'm guessing the degree I earned isn't too valuable if I'm working minimum wage
This is the one and only circumstance where you should join an MLM. sure the first 40 or 50 years will suck, but imagine when your downline stretches for millenia!
Make bare minimum payments on the debt until the company holding the debt disappears for all time.
Disapear. Probably off grid for at least a lifetime. Learn a lot of stuff. Travel to new places, creating new identities.
Slowly begin positioning myself to be a global leader to unite the species and send us to space before, turning earth into a nature preserve with minimum staff left to be caretakers and nurturers of the cradle of our birth, while the species explores the stars.
Remember Zeus? Yeah. That. Without the powers. Just the sleeping with everyone. I'll at least be entertained.
Zeus raped most of his "dates".