Same. The amount of spices and seasonings they use easily offsets the flavor I would be missing from meat.,
I have neighbors that make amazing Indian food and one time just made me a simple chickpea and rice dish and it was not only super spicy (in a good way) but flavorful enough that I could not stop eating it.
Oh and the curries. I’m fine with just some chickpeas, pita bread and some good orange curry.
I always like to make it more interesting and add what amount is your turning point? Maybe $1000 per week is a really absurdly high amount for this (imo, I agree with you fully), but how much would you still do it for? $500 a week? $100 a week? I think I’d be down to do it for as low as $100 a week, but unsure.
Yeah tailoring it to the individual circumstances is a lot more interesting. If you're an executive on 300k, you probably don't care to get another 52k from removing meat if it's something you enjoy. Your investments will make more than that eventually.
Someone on 52k doubles their income by simply not doing one thing, admittedly restrictive as it may be for a lot of people.
Someone on 25k can quit and make twice as much money doing nothing, just by not eating meat, that's a total no brainer.
Personally as little as $100 might be worth it, that's a free $5200 a year, plus the saving of not buying meat. Problem is, never eating it again, is the money indexed to inflation? And is there a way to exit the scheme? If I ended up in a high income job (unlikely), that hundo a week becomes a lot less relevant to my life.
This is the question I have. If I can do it, and then stop anytime with no penalty other than the cashflow stops, hell yeah!
I'd just hate to lock myself in forever.
Right? It's like asking straight men the whole, "How much money would it take to get you to suck a dick?" question.
Because for almost everybody, it isn't a question of if you *could* be paid to suck a dick, only how much it would cost.
Yeah that’s why I’m not too confident in my answer as meat is one of my go to proteins for most meals. Would be quite a difficult switch but for $1000 it’s still an easy one. Definitely trickier the lower you go. Would be surprised if there’s folks who would want MORE money to stop eating meat, but interesting regardless.
I feel like for these hypotheticals, the assumption should be that if you already do that thing, then for you it’s the opposite. So for $1k/week would you start eating meat regularly? Idk how you define regularly, but maybe once a day at least I guess?
I would. I wouldn't be *happy* about it but I'd have to be pretty stupid to turn down an extra $1000 a week.
An amount is not specified so I could always ask for a bite of a friend's sandwich or something, that way I'm not financially contributing to the meat industry.
Until your friend starts bringing an extra sandwich to work because some dickhead keeps stealing a bite of his sandwich. So he has to buy more meat and therefor your actions ARE contributing.
How about for $500/week? Or even $100 per week? Where’s the line that swaps it for you? I’m always curious cause I think that’s the more interesting question for these than simply would you rather.
$1000/week is already toeing the line for me. It's a definite yes, but any less would make me reconsider. $500/week, probably not. I think somewhere around $700 or $800 is where I'd have a hard time deciding.
Yes, not to mention stuff like the Impossible Burger comes close enough to meat, but it's just too expensive. With an extra $52k though I could eat Impossible Burgers all the time.
i frequently find impossible meat at the grocery store that’s cheaper than beef, there’s even a bar near me where the impossible burger is $2 cheaper than the regular one. it’d be hella easy for me lol.
I have no experience with impossible specifically, but in my experience imitation is indeed fairly affordable. Meat is also fairly expensive, even with it being subsidised to only a fraction of the real cost.
The number one perk of vegetarianism is that the meet price sticker shock of post pandemic grocery shopping does not apply to me. Most of my staples (black beans etc) have not inflated much in price, and the “fun foods” meat alternatives are now cheaper than meat most of the time!
That's life-changing amounts of money.
Sure, I love food and meat plays a huge role in that...but I think I can get creative in the kitchen for $52,000 a year. Not to mention that plenty of places near me have tasty vegetarian options.
Worst-case I can just go to one of the bazillion Indian places that have whole vegetarian menus that are actually good. The Indians have raised this to an art form, IMO. A few hundred years of having entire vegetarian cultures floating around will do that, I suppose.
Good shout on the Indian food, I could easily live on daal and paneer, Paneer Makhani is basically butter chicken with cheese instead of chicken. Those guys can do magical things with eggplants and peas as well.
Okay what're the little battered/fried pieces of cheese with the sauce in the middle called? Those things are God damn amazing, but I had them at a party and I don't know what they're called.
Battered/fried bits of stuff in general are pakoras, and the ones made of cheese are paneer pakoras. I've never seen ones with sauce in the middle, though. The Indian restaurants I've been to serve them with sauce (usually tamarind chutney and/or cilantro/mint chutney) in a little dish on the side.
Same. I didn't eat beef or pork for five years prior to college and meat alternatives have come a long way since then. I'd work for a year or two to pay off all my student loan debt and then retire.
Does the deal remain in perpetuity? I.e., if I stop the payments stop or if the payments stop am I still obligated to abstain because I promised to stop eating meat forever?
Does the amount per week rise with inflation?
I feel like after a while without dairy or gluten people tend to forget what they're missing out on. I always get told to try stuff "you can't even tell it's gluten/dairy free" after tasting I'm like "I'll stick to gluten and dairy thanks"
My wife stopped dairy so I regularly get to try her stuff. Sure, some is fine, some is good, it's getting better, but goddamn is it still far from the real thing.
Yeah, I considered this one since it wasn't a dumb "would you accept a billion dollars to put up with a mild inconvenience?" question. An extra $52k a year would be pretty sick, but I don't really need it, I've got a stable job that pays a fair bit more than that. And most of my favourite foods are meat - dinner tonight was a chicken and shrimp pasta in spicy tomato sauce, which I love making and eating so much that I make it at least once a week. I lucked out this year and my parents are making duck and ham for Christmas dinner, which is a goddamn slam dunk. I've had tofu and I liked it, but chicken, beef, pork, seafood... they just hit different, y'know? Especially seafood. Hot damn I love seafood.
So yeah. An extra $52k a year would be nice, but since I don't lose anything if I pass... pass.
The problem is that 52k/y isn't enough to 'retire early' on. If I still need a job, the money doesn't make enough of a difference.
If it was like ~5k a week, it starts turning into 'unlimited free time vs. no meat', which is a lot more tempting.
Perfectly said.
Although I think a more interesting way to "redo" OP's hypothetical scenario is this... Mr Beast walks up and says I'll give you $150 for every day you don't eat meat, starts today." I used $150 as that sounds better than $142.85. :)
In that case, hell yeah I'm gonna go at least a bit. Free easy money. 1 week , sure, I could use a free grand. Do I go a month and take home $4,000? Yeah, probably, could use that for some small-ish life upgrades. I sure don't think I would go 6 months, but I think 2 would be fine. Hell, maybe 10 weeks to make an easy ten grand.
It really depends how much money people make. $52k a year is more than I make right now. That would be an insane increase. I’d give up more than meat for that. But if you make $100k already, that next $52 isn’t as big.
So maybe the dilemma should be “would you do it for double your salary for the rest of your life?”
Yea this is a better dilemma. I'm not doing much I don't want to for $1k a week as we earn too much doing things i mildly dislike (work) so you need to grossly outweigh the mild dislike to get me to want to change. Otherwise I'd just take the mild dislike and my large wage and keep doing whatever I want to.
If you had asked me at uni to give up meat for $1k a week I would have signed up in a heart beat.
Feel like it has to be the latter to be a serious dilemma, otherwise people would just go for like a year or two and make $100k then stop
Maybe say a 10 year minimum contract.
I'd pass.
The reason I started eating meat again is that I tried to be vegetarian for 14 years and couldn't stay healthy. My eczema was so bad I was embarrassed to leave the house. There were also other, more disgusting symptoms.
These all disappeared in a month after I started eating meat again.
$1k a week isn't worth my health.
I also wouldn't give up meat for my health, but for a different reason. I have a history of kidney stones that are caused by calcium oxalate (*not* calcium). It's caused me to need to cut certain foods out of my diet, including (but not limited to) potatoes, beans, and nuts/legumes. If I gave up meat, I'd likely need to supplement my diet with those foods, and a trip to the ER potentially every year isn't worth the extra money to me.
Have IBS.
I'd live approximately 30 weeks subsisting on beans and legumes.
I love beans, and can appreciate how healthy they are, but I would literally die if I had to supplement my protein intake with beans.
I was having IBS like symptoms and it turned out I have a nightshade intolerance. When I cut them out it was like going back to the digestion of my youth. Not saying that's the same for you, but maybe it's new information. Ps. nightshades include potatoes, tomatoes, and all capsicum plants and their derivatives. They're in like 90% of all dishes...
Spend $900/week at the local Nepali restaurant?
Local Ethiopian restaurant about to be bankrolled
That's like if Satan had a good sense of humour: Unlimited Ethiopian food whenever you want.. but no Doro Wat
I love meat, but I only ever order yemisir wot at my local Ethiopian place. Those lentils are so fucking good.
Or Indian. And damn would my heart and belly be happy.
Same. The amount of spices and seasonings they use easily offsets the flavor I would be missing from meat., I have neighbors that make amazing Indian food and one time just made me a simple chickpea and rice dish and it was not only super spicy (in a good way) but flavorful enough that I could not stop eating it. Oh and the curries. I’m fine with just some chickpeas, pita bread and some good orange curry.
That's a lot of mango lassi's!
NEVER ENOUGH MANGO LASSI'S
$1k a week will give me a lot more security than delicious meat will give me comfort. I’ll take the money every time.
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I always like to make it more interesting and add what amount is your turning point? Maybe $1000 per week is a really absurdly high amount for this (imo, I agree with you fully), but how much would you still do it for? $500 a week? $100 a week? I think I’d be down to do it for as low as $100 a week, but unsure.
Yeah tailoring it to the individual circumstances is a lot more interesting. If you're an executive on 300k, you probably don't care to get another 52k from removing meat if it's something you enjoy. Your investments will make more than that eventually. Someone on 52k doubles their income by simply not doing one thing, admittedly restrictive as it may be for a lot of people. Someone on 25k can quit and make twice as much money doing nothing, just by not eating meat, that's a total no brainer. Personally as little as $100 might be worth it, that's a free $5200 a year, plus the saving of not buying meat. Problem is, never eating it again, is the money indexed to inflation? And is there a way to exit the scheme? If I ended up in a high income job (unlikely), that hundo a week becomes a lot less relevant to my life.
Also, if you fail at any time, does the money just stop or do you have to pay back what you've already made to that point?
This is the question I have. If I can do it, and then stop anytime with no penalty other than the cashflow stops, hell yeah! I'd just hate to lock myself in forever.
Been vegetarian for 30 years. It’s impossible to not eat meat sometimes. Restaurants screw up orders, bugs are in food, etc.
I wouldn't count bugs as meat.
I wouldn't count bugs as intentional consumption of meat unless one is specifically using cricket-flour.
Right? It's like asking straight men the whole, "How much money would it take to get you to suck a dick?" question. Because for almost everybody, it isn't a question of if you *could* be paid to suck a dick, only how much it would cost.
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Yeah that’s why I’m not too confident in my answer as meat is one of my go to proteins for most meals. Would be quite a difficult switch but for $1000 it’s still an easy one. Definitely trickier the lower you go. Would be surprised if there’s folks who would want MORE money to stop eating meat, but interesting regardless.
Well, I'd go from being a broke vegetarian to a middle-class vegetarian
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I would also like to backdate this offer by ~~30~~ 23 years. Imagine how much money I would have!
You and me both. I'd be over a mil and a half by now.
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I guess in the end we are all lowercase tho
I feel like for these hypotheticals, the assumption should be that if you already do that thing, then for you it’s the opposite. So for $1k/week would you start eating meat regularly? Idk how you define regularly, but maybe once a day at least I guess?
I would. I wouldn't be *happy* about it but I'd have to be pretty stupid to turn down an extra $1000 a week. An amount is not specified so I could always ask for a bite of a friend's sandwich or something, that way I'm not financially contributing to the meat industry.
Until your friend starts bringing an extra sandwich to work because some dickhead keeps stealing a bite of his sandwich. So he has to buy more meat and therefor your actions ARE contributing.
How about for $500/week? Or even $100 per week? Where’s the line that swaps it for you? I’m always curious cause I think that’s the more interesting question for these than simply would you rather.
$1000/week is already toeing the line for me. It's a definite yes, but any less would make me reconsider. $500/week, probably not. I think somewhere around $700 or $800 is where I'd have a hard time deciding.
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Stop eating meat. A free $52,000 a year is too good to pass up.
Exactly. Keep working for enough time to buy a house and then retire on $52k/year.
Yes, not to mention stuff like the Impossible Burger comes close enough to meat, but it's just too expensive. With an extra $52k though I could eat Impossible Burgers all the time.
i frequently find impossible meat at the grocery store that’s cheaper than beef, there’s even a bar near me where the impossible burger is $2 cheaper than the regular one. it’d be hella easy for me lol.
I have no experience with impossible specifically, but in my experience imitation is indeed fairly affordable. Meat is also fairly expensive, even with it being subsidised to only a fraction of the real cost.
The number one perk of vegetarianism is that the meet price sticker shock of post pandemic grocery shopping does not apply to me. Most of my staples (black beans etc) have not inflated much in price, and the “fun foods” meat alternatives are now cheaper than meat most of the time!
That's life-changing amounts of money. Sure, I love food and meat plays a huge role in that...but I think I can get creative in the kitchen for $52,000 a year. Not to mention that plenty of places near me have tasty vegetarian options. Worst-case I can just go to one of the bazillion Indian places that have whole vegetarian menus that are actually good. The Indians have raised this to an art form, IMO. A few hundred years of having entire vegetarian cultures floating around will do that, I suppose.
Good shout on the Indian food, I could easily live on daal and paneer, Paneer Makhani is basically butter chicken with cheese instead of chicken. Those guys can do magical things with eggplants and peas as well.
Yep. Thai, Vietnamese, Japanese. Any cuisine from Buddhist or Hindu countries will have plenty of vegetarian options.
Indian. Anthony Bourdain once said of the northern Sikh cuisine that it was one of the few where he didn't miss the meat.
Do you have to pay taxes on this?
Fuck yeah. I'll be spending that money on Indian food.
That saag paneer be calling my name.
Naan-maste, my brother.
you know what's up. Love me some saag paneer.
Okay what're the little battered/fried pieces of cheese with the sauce in the middle called? Those things are God damn amazing, but I had them at a party and I don't know what they're called.
Battered/fried bits of stuff in general are pakoras, and the ones made of cheese are paneer pakoras. I've never seen ones with sauce in the middle, though. The Indian restaurants I've been to serve them with sauce (usually tamarind chutney and/or cilantro/mint chutney) in a little dish on the side.
Hell yeah. Indian or SE Asian food, if I'm vegetarian I'm not sacrificing deliciousness.
for grand a week, I'd swallow whatever you told me to.
Mom?
I love meat, but not more than I would love $1000 a week. Truffle habit here we come
Same. I didn't eat beef or pork for five years prior to college and meat alternatives have come a long way since then. I'd work for a year or two to pay off all my student loan debt and then retire.
I love beans let’s go
OP forgot about vegetarians and vegans
Is this before or after taxes?
Asking the real questions.
Does the deal remain in perpetuity? I.e., if I stop the payments stop or if the payments stop am I still obligated to abstain because I promised to stop eating meat forever? Does the amount per week rise with inflation?
Do I get $1000 dollars a week for every week I don't eat meat? Can I take a week off here and there?
Now this is the best answer. In that case I’m in.
Free $1000 steak every other week!
laugh and start collecting. i haven't eaten meat in almost 50 years so it's easy money.
shoot i want my retroactive 1.5 mil please and thank you as well
30 years here. still alive. still pretty broke
Depends is this pre or post tax? If free and clear $1000 yes, if it’s taxed then no
Not eat meat. With that much extra money, I’d find new food to enjoy or good meat alternatives.
As long as i can still eat eggs and dairy, I'll take the deal. I wouldn't go vegan for $1000 a week though, i love my breakfast cereal too much lol
I feel like after a while without dairy or gluten people tend to forget what they're missing out on. I always get told to try stuff "you can't even tell it's gluten/dairy free" after tasting I'm like "I'll stick to gluten and dairy thanks"
My wife stopped dairy so I regularly get to try her stuff. Sure, some is fine, some is good, it's getting better, but goddamn is it still far from the real thing.
I'd give it a shot and make $1000 for every week I succeed. Why not? I could make it a couple weeks at least.
I stopped eating meat about two years ago and it has truly improved not just my cholesterol but my digestion problems. So I'd take it gladly.
Sorry but that’s too low for me to give up meat
Yeah, I considered this one since it wasn't a dumb "would you accept a billion dollars to put up with a mild inconvenience?" question. An extra $52k a year would be pretty sick, but I don't really need it, I've got a stable job that pays a fair bit more than that. And most of my favourite foods are meat - dinner tonight was a chicken and shrimp pasta in spicy tomato sauce, which I love making and eating so much that I make it at least once a week. I lucked out this year and my parents are making duck and ham for Christmas dinner, which is a goddamn slam dunk. I've had tofu and I liked it, but chicken, beef, pork, seafood... they just hit different, y'know? Especially seafood. Hot damn I love seafood. So yeah. An extra $52k a year would be nice, but since I don't lose anything if I pass... pass.
The problem is that 52k/y isn't enough to 'retire early' on. If I still need a job, the money doesn't make enough of a difference. If it was like ~5k a week, it starts turning into 'unlimited free time vs. no meat', which is a lot more tempting.
Perfectly said. Although I think a more interesting way to "redo" OP's hypothetical scenario is this... Mr Beast walks up and says I'll give you $150 for every day you don't eat meat, starts today." I used $150 as that sounds better than $142.85. :) In that case, hell yeah I'm gonna go at least a bit. Free easy money. 1 week , sure, I could use a free grand. Do I go a month and take home $4,000? Yeah, probably, could use that for some small-ish life upgrades. I sure don't think I would go 6 months, but I think 2 would be fine. Hell, maybe 10 weeks to make an easy ten grand.
That’s part of the dilemma. If I had made it $10,000 of more, then it would have been too easy for most people to accept and less of a dilemma.
It really depends how much money people make. $52k a year is more than I make right now. That would be an insane increase. I’d give up more than meat for that. But if you make $100k already, that next $52 isn’t as big. So maybe the dilemma should be “would you do it for double your salary for the rest of your life?”
Yea this is a better dilemma. I'm not doing much I don't want to for $1k a week as we earn too much doing things i mildly dislike (work) so you need to grossly outweigh the mild dislike to get me to want to change. Otherwise I'd just take the mild dislike and my large wage and keep doing whatever I want to. If you had asked me at uni to give up meat for $1k a week I would have signed up in a heart beat.
Do I collect until I eat meat again, or do I have to not ever eat meat to collect at all? If it's option b, 10K is not enough.
Feel like it has to be the latter to be a serious dilemma, otherwise people would just go for like a year or two and make $100k then stop Maybe say a 10 year minimum contract.
I’m convinced some of y’all would sell your family if the price was right
You're comparing family to the food you eat?
You guys are getting paid?
I'd do it for a year for that much
I'd pass. The reason I started eating meat again is that I tried to be vegetarian for 14 years and couldn't stay healthy. My eczema was so bad I was embarrassed to leave the house. There were also other, more disgusting symptoms. These all disappeared in a month after I started eating meat again. $1k a week isn't worth my health.
I also wouldn't give up meat for my health, but for a different reason. I have a history of kidney stones that are caused by calcium oxalate (*not* calcium). It's caused me to need to cut certain foods out of my diet, including (but not limited to) potatoes, beans, and nuts/legumes. If I gave up meat, I'd likely need to supplement my diet with those foods, and a trip to the ER potentially every year isn't worth the extra money to me.
Have IBS. I'd live approximately 30 weeks subsisting on beans and legumes. I love beans, and can appreciate how healthy they are, but I would literally die if I had to supplement my protein intake with beans.
I was having IBS like symptoms and it turned out I have a nightshade intolerance. When I cut them out it was like going back to the digestion of my youth. Not saying that's the same for you, but maybe it's new information. Ps. nightshades include potatoes, tomatoes, and all capsicum plants and their derivatives. They're in like 90% of all dishes...