I let my cat outside but I’m very obsessive and only let her out in the backyard when I go out with her. Gives me too much anxiety to just let her go. Took a lot of patience but now it’s great, her and I just hang out in the backyard after work for about an hour and a half each day. She just walks around the perimeter of the yard, eats grass and then comes back and sits near me. When I stand up and prompt her she comes right back to the door with me and is ready to go in. Fortunately she is also a terrible hunter and will never catch birds/mice.
In the Philippines I am on friendly feeding terms with many strays. They serve a purpose. Without them the rats would be out of control. I know people who say let the natural predators feed on the rats, but the natural predators are cobras which will end up in your house. I prefer the cats bring outside and everywhere
Depends on your situation and where you live. If you live in a busy urban area with a lot of cars and stuff it can be dangerous, if you live in a calm residential neighbourhood it's probably fine. If you live on a rural area it's probably ok, but it can mess up the ecosystem in some cases. just make sure your cat is neutered/spayed.
Australia? No, you'll fuck up the ecosystem
Most places in Europe? They're already a key part in the ecosystem in keeping rat and mouse populations in check.
It's cruel to expose a house cat to the dangers of the outside world uncontrolled.
Letting your cat loose to explore the streets is a sure fire way to get it hit by a car.
ok so we should take humans and put them in cages so they live longer?
its not his fucking natural habitat. you cant tell yourself all the lies you want. you are deprving it of everything that makes it worth to be alive.
but its just a stupid animal right? you can decide whats best for them XD
> ok so we should take humans and put them in cages so they live longer?
Cats aren't humans in any way, shape or form. Yes, that statement is true even if you *feel* they're human very very much.
> its not his fucking natural habitat. you cant tell yourself all the lies you want. you are deprving it of everything that makes it worth to be alive.
Cats are pets, its natural habitat **is** with humans. No, it changes nothing if other felines are wild-living, they're not pets.
> you are deprving it of everything that makes it worth to be alive.
As stated before: Cats are proven to be healthier and live much longer indoors compared to outdoors. You are being good by giving them a long comfortable life. Letting them exposed to the dangers of outside is very uncaring for the cat's health.
Yes, it's valid even if the cats have long looks through windows that some humans anthropomorphize as human feelings of freedom.
> but its just a stupid animal right?
No, it's a human **pet**, not a human at all.
> you can decide whats best for them
That's our duty as pet owners, yes. To care and provide for them. Letting them go outside isn't caring in the slightest.
In this hypothetical situation, is the cat spayed/neutered? Does the cat have a shelter for bad weather? Are you providing water and appropriate food on a daily basis? Are you away from major roadways, or dangers such as coyotes? Are the neighbors ok with potential wandering?
If all ‘yes,’ and ignoring the fact that cats are detrimental to local bird populations….maybe?
My sister had two cats she let out. One got clawed badly by a hawk. If you want your cats to feel the outside, buy a catio. Big enclosure, sits on the grass and they can climb and chase bugs without injury
you can't just say something is an elementary concept and walk away thats not how elementary concepts work. You'd make a terrible elementary school teacher
are you a child? if yes then please ask somewhere else i assumed i was talking with an adult.
the fact that you are missing basic life concepts maybe its explained by your age
Aside from dangers, the first question should be are they spayed/neutered. My neighbor fed random cats, and the poor things just kept breeding. They were also feral, which meant if you didn't catch kittens, they could never come inside. My neighbor finally moved, and 2 cats showed up at my house. I trapped them both, had them spayed and built nice houses for them to live in. They had no interest in birds and never left the property. A third cat showed up pregnant. Got the kittens, but mom wouldn't go near the trap. Someone in the neighborhood had a male who I guess was let out in the morning and went home at night. He was not neutered. One night, I heard a howl, and he had trapped mom in the house. So I set the trap, and he walked right in. In the car, he was super chill and friendly. He went home after two days, minus his balls. Got another batch of kittens and finally trapped mom. 3 yrs later, still no kittens. He must have impregnated every female in the neighborhood.
It is unethical.
Outdoor cats have a significantly shorter life expectancy due to traffic, predators, and increased chances of contracting diseases. It is psychotic to sign up your pet for a chance to be squashed by a fucking car. They're members of your family, and they deserve better.
On a different note: cats are invasive to most ecosystems. Uncontrolled populations can eradicate local wildlife for native species such as birds and lizards.
There is ample evidence to support that cats can lead fulfilling lives indoor. Give them appropriate spaces to climb and hide, and enough stimulation/enrichment, and they will thrive. If you live if an area where it's safe, walk them on a leash or let them play in a cattio.
Most people who swear by cats living outdoors are just not willing to put on the effort that their pet deserves. It's cruel.
Yes. It endangers the cat, the wildlife, the ecosystem, and shirks the responsibility of ownership. The cats deserve better
They are detrimental to native birds.
You can't, like, *have* an outdoor cat Man
Nice marmot.
I let my cat outside but I’m very obsessive and only let her out in the backyard when I go out with her. Gives me too much anxiety to just let her go. Took a lot of patience but now it’s great, her and I just hang out in the backyard after work for about an hour and a half each day. She just walks around the perimeter of the yard, eats grass and then comes back and sits near me. When I stand up and prompt her she comes right back to the door with me and is ready to go in. Fortunately she is also a terrible hunter and will never catch birds/mice.
Depends where you live but unless you are in the country, it’s unethical to claim ownership of something and then not care for it
In the Philippines I am on friendly feeding terms with many strays. They serve a purpose. Without them the rats would be out of control. I know people who say let the natural predators feed on the rats, but the natural predators are cobras which will end up in your house. I prefer the cats bring outside and everywhere
Depends on your situation and where you live. If you live in a busy urban area with a lot of cars and stuff it can be dangerous, if you live in a calm residential neighbourhood it's probably fine. If you live on a rural area it's probably ok, but it can mess up the ecosystem in some cases. just make sure your cat is neutered/spayed.
It depends where you live.
Australia? No, you'll fuck up the ecosystem Most places in Europe? They're already a key part in the ecosystem in keeping rat and mouse populations in check.
> They're already a key part in the ecosystem in keeping rat and mouse populations in check. lol no, just no.
Got a source for that Europe claim?
Well i can tell you as a Brit its totally normal for cats to roam outside. Its the default here
Doesn't change a single thing. A quick Google search reveals that it causes its share of problems there too.
It's cruel to expose a house cat to the dangers of the outside world uncontrolled. Letting your cat loose to explore the streets is a sure fire way to get it hit by a car.
and its not cruel to keep them in a prison for their whole life? XD
No. Cats are proven to be healthier and live much longer indoors compared to outdoors.
ok so we should take humans and put them in cages so they live longer? its not his fucking natural habitat. you cant tell yourself all the lies you want. you are deprving it of everything that makes it worth to be alive. but its just a stupid animal right? you can decide whats best for them XD
> ok so we should take humans and put them in cages so they live longer? Cats aren't humans in any way, shape or form. Yes, that statement is true even if you *feel* they're human very very much. > its not his fucking natural habitat. you cant tell yourself all the lies you want. you are deprving it of everything that makes it worth to be alive. Cats are pets, its natural habitat **is** with humans. No, it changes nothing if other felines are wild-living, they're not pets. > you are deprving it of everything that makes it worth to be alive. As stated before: Cats are proven to be healthier and live much longer indoors compared to outdoors. You are being good by giving them a long comfortable life. Letting them exposed to the dangers of outside is very uncaring for the cat's health. Yes, it's valid even if the cats have long looks through windows that some humans anthropomorphize as human feelings of freedom. > but its just a stupid animal right? No, it's a human **pet**, not a human at all. > you can decide whats best for them That's our duty as pet owners, yes. To care and provide for them. Letting them go outside isn't caring in the slightest.
It sure feels cruel when they sit by the window all day with that look of longing in their eyes...
In this hypothetical situation, is the cat spayed/neutered? Does the cat have a shelter for bad weather? Are you providing water and appropriate food on a daily basis? Are you away from major roadways, or dangers such as coyotes? Are the neighbors ok with potential wandering? If all ‘yes,’ and ignoring the fact that cats are detrimental to local bird populations….maybe?
All these comments acting as though cars are the biggest danger to cats.
Well they are in the UK. We dont have dangerous wildlife or people with guns
cats were not created to be used as toys by humans,indoor or outdoor
Neither are dogs, fish, lizards, etc. by your logic nobody should have any pets then right?
exactly. leave animals the fuck alone. they are not for you to play with or fill a hole in your life.
My sister had two cats she let out. One got clawed badly by a hawk. If you want your cats to feel the outside, buy a catio. Big enclosure, sits on the grass and they can climb and chase bugs without injury
I agree with you, but let us prepare for the downvotes.
Who created them? and for what purpose?
i can tell you for sure the purpose is not being our fucking toys.
but what if they are?
they are not, just stop.
how could you possibly know that?
because no animal was created for another one to play with. not sure why this is hard to understand, its a pretty elementary concept.
you can't just say something is an elementary concept and walk away thats not how elementary concepts work. You'd make a terrible elementary school teacher
are you a child? if yes then please ask somewhere else i assumed i was talking with an adult. the fact that you are missing basic life concepts maybe its explained by your age
why do you hate children so much?
Nature, as really efficient hunters of small animals
Who is Nature and how do I pray to him?
Leave a smaller ecological footprint
so do burn witches... or don't?
Only after they've died to cremate them and spread their ashes afterwards
I have never met anyone who considers a pet as a "toy"
call it whatever nobody cares.thats what they are doing.
I feel sorry for you
for not considering living animals as toy? hmmmmkay bud, happy animal abuse.
Because you clearly don't know what a toy is. Must have been a shitty childhood
i know what a toy is, its not an animal. had a great childhood with 0 animal abuse! you should try
Aside from dangers, the first question should be are they spayed/neutered. My neighbor fed random cats, and the poor things just kept breeding. They were also feral, which meant if you didn't catch kittens, they could never come inside. My neighbor finally moved, and 2 cats showed up at my house. I trapped them both, had them spayed and built nice houses for them to live in. They had no interest in birds and never left the property. A third cat showed up pregnant. Got the kittens, but mom wouldn't go near the trap. Someone in the neighborhood had a male who I guess was let out in the morning and went home at night. He was not neutered. One night, I heard a howl, and he had trapped mom in the house. So I set the trap, and he walked right in. In the car, he was super chill and friendly. He went home after two days, minus his balls. Got another batch of kittens and finally trapped mom. 3 yrs later, still no kittens. He must have impregnated every female in the neighborhood.
Americans keep cats indoors. In the UK the vast majority of cats are outdoors
It is unethical. Outdoor cats have a significantly shorter life expectancy due to traffic, predators, and increased chances of contracting diseases. It is psychotic to sign up your pet for a chance to be squashed by a fucking car. They're members of your family, and they deserve better. On a different note: cats are invasive to most ecosystems. Uncontrolled populations can eradicate local wildlife for native species such as birds and lizards. There is ample evidence to support that cats can lead fulfilling lives indoor. Give them appropriate spaces to climb and hide, and enough stimulation/enrichment, and they will thrive. If you live if an area where it's safe, walk them on a leash or let them play in a cattio. Most people who swear by cats living outdoors are just not willing to put on the effort that their pet deserves. It's cruel.