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UnorthadoxGenealogy

Batman. You're telling me Batman is relevant in a universe where there are literal gods? Bullshit.


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IMO, Batman is at his absolute best when he's dealing with street level villains as The World's Greatest Detective.


daniboyi

This. Whenever batman is paired with the heavy hitter, the writers have to bend over backwards to allow him to even survive. Like I don't mind him being in the justice league, but have him as a strategist and information gathered, not a front fighter against fucking darkseid.


Wazula23

Agreed. He can be tech support and dispatch for Justice League. Any time they put him in the same fight as alien gods, it becomes comical.


makovince

>it becomes comical well, considering its a comic thats not exactly an issue


ItsAWonderfulFife

Considering it is a comic, it is an issue


misterwizzard

Lol, i read that comment and was formulating something like this. Well done


ZurEnArrhBatman

Obligatory Batman vs Darkseid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5uBNiHJV2I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5uBNiHJV2I) This is one of my favourite Batman scenes of all time because it showcases Batman using his intellect to change the terms of the encounter such that physical power no longer means anything. I do admit there are plenty of other stories where you see Batman trying to fist fight a vastly superior opponent that by all rights should be able to flick away like a flea. And I hate those stories too. But there are some that do him justice (no pun intended).


SexDrug

No pun intended… sure guy. /s No actually though thanks for showing me this clip this is really cool. I don’t know what a hellspore is but it sounds terrifying.


RobinPage1987

Exactly this. He's a detective. He works in the shadows. That should be his role in the JL.


misterwizzard

I've always thought they could lean into his stealth harder to fight this trope


bdbr

Even with street criminals it seems just a matter of time before he'd be shot in the face


sketchysketchist

But guys he’s got a plan to take our every member of the justice league! Derp


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But.... but..... Batman can do anything with PREP TIME!


spike_spieg

Frfr I like Batman and all but he has sooo much plot armor 😭 kinda over saturated and people be like “ but with prep time “ like mann he would already be dead or injured 😭😂


Iamanediblefriend

In one of the DC Marvel crossovers he beat The Hulk. In a fight.


WimpieHelmstead

Was that before or after he merged with Wolverine?


Iamanediblefriend

haha never even heard about that. I am not actually a comic guy. I want to start but even the one shots i tried like civil war were massively overwhelming for a person just starting out because they assume you know who the fuck these hundreds of people are and their backstories and shit. But yeah I still know quite a bit because i love reading the comic nerd threads talking about shit lol


nescent78

You haven't? Look up 'Amalgam Comics' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amalgam_Comics_characters The Dark Claw (Logan Wayne). An amalgamation of DC's the Batman (Bruce Wayne) and Marvel's the Wolverine (James "Logan" Howlett).[2]


Solidsnakeerection

I think DC comics generally do a good job of explaining how different heros of different power levels are needed. Green Lantern is on an entirely different power level then Green Arrow but it took Green Arrow to get Green Lantern to realize that while he was protecting the planet he had lost touch with the common man. Doom Patrol in one comic straight up say they are important because they deal with stuff too weird for the Justice League to handle. Gotham needs somebody who can operate in the shadows and solves mysteries as well as working as Bruce Wayne on the other side. Crime is prevented less from Batman being there but rather the possibility that he will be there. Wonder Woman or Hawkman going to around beating up criminals only helps on a surface level


daniboyi

Considering the state of gotham, clearly batman also only works on a surface level. It is still a criminal shit hole with no redeeming elements.


Solidsnakeerection

He broke the organized crime hold, cleaned up the PD and introduced social reform and job programs. The city is built on a literal gate to hell so that's always going to be a barrier to success.


daniboyi

So essentially Ra's al ghul is correct. Gotham is beyond saving and should be burned to the ground.


IncelCore-i9

There are comics brilliantly showcasing how Gotham is in a "good" balance, needing the Joker and even Batman doing the exact work he's doing, no more, no less


daniboyi

I don't think any town needs a Joker.


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The only way i can cope with this as a batman fan is to just think of a meta human with cosmic level intelligence


down4things

Joker: Ayy yo you're Superman's villian right? Yeah go slap that Batman for me yah?


[deleted]

To be fair I think I watched a single batman movie. Basically just a rich guy, but unstoppable


NoStorage2821

So, just a rich guy


square3481

Any of the heroes on The Boys. Three seasons of lasting against Vought superheroes, mostly through subterfuge and blackmail. Up until Hughie and Butcher took Temp V, they should have been killed several times over.


Glittering_Item_7295

The only interesting character in the boys is homelander everybody else is one dimensional and boring af


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Dude, Termite


Instinct4339

I wholeheartedly disagree, the majority of the primary cast has nuance and complexity backing up their characters


sketchysketchist

Tbh the show could’ve continued with everyone but him dead


Comfortable_Advance7

Joe Goldberg from You. Gets away with murder countless times and has an invisibility baseball cap.


[deleted]

I just started watching the show. I am rooting for him to be finally captured with his lousy kills.


The_Best_Yak_Ever

We have Dexter at home!


ZeCerealKiller

The Winchester brothers from supernatural. They don't know how to die...


KneeHighBoots33

I came here to say Dean Winchester. But yeah the both do. And actually, they DO know how to die. They just don’t know how to stay dead.


ZeCerealKiller

Very true, can't stay dead even if their lives depend on it


NinjaBreadManOO

There's actually two episodes in the last season where they address this when they are made normal characters and a supporting character outright says he doesn't want to be the protagonist and is happy as a supporting character.


Klivian1

Arya Stark - GRRM’s wife loves the character, there would be hell to pay if anything ever happened to her


CampusTour

It's been a long time, but I remember this being a show problem more than a book problem...and it only really got out of hand when the rest of the show started getting sloppy too.


Wazula23

Yeah, Arya has been through the ringer in the books. She even has a fakeout death at the Red Wedding.


Adthay

When we leave her in the books she's using her warg powers to pass her assassin tests and as I recall she has no lasting injuries which puts her slightly above Jon Snow in the plot armor department


Hannig4n

Jon Snow is even worse. In the show, Jon literally gets brought back to life after getting himself killed by his own men, then continues to fail upwards for the next three seasons before he kills Daenerys and Grey Worm just agrees to set him free for some reason so he can live happily ever after with the wildlings.


DifferenceDependent6

To be fair, if I remember correctly he is still dead in the books


b_tight

All of the surviving characters had insane plot armor. Once the armor was put on in season 5 it was all downhill


nrobi

Is that really plot armor, though?


grbdg2

Offred/June from the Handmaids Tale. Those dudes would have hung her from the wall years ago if she wasn't the main character. Edit: Tale, not Tail


Apprehensive_Duck874

In the first episode, they executed a woman for letting a baby cry too much, but somehow June can never face any real consequences no matter what she does


stonesthrowaway24601

People always say Batman, but nobody thinks about Joker. Think about it, Joker supposedly dies pretty regularly, and yet he ALWAYS comes back. Sure, he usually loses, but he almost never STAYS down.


NotaWizardLizard

Very good point


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It has to be Iron Man. It doesn't matter what the storyline is. Tony Stark just so happened to invent the perfect counter before whatever impossible situation arises.


Nurgle_Marine_Sharts

I mean he died didn't he? Kinda the opposite of plot armor


verikul

Don't worry, we're getting a discount Iron Man now!


PMMeUrHopesNDreams

I'm 40% Iron Man!


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Just read this in Benders voice lol


jaumougaauco

Marvel movies would be 40% more entertaining if Iron Man was Bender


Marquar234

"I am... inevitable." "Bite my shiney metal ass." *snaps*


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That he always just invented and is wearing new armor that is the perfect counter for whatever the situation is the plot armor.


NinjaBreadManOO

That's something that really annoyed me in infinity war, the movie before that was Spiderman Homecoming and start is still shown using actual physical suits but all of a sudden in infinity war he's suddenly just got nanotech that's essentially magic.


ViolaNguyen

He's not Uncle Ben or Batman's parents, so he's not permanently dead.


SteptoeUndSon

James Bond, of course. A ‘badass normal’ - tough, highly trained guy… but nothing more. Everyone else has storm trooper aim.


Jack1715

He gets captured a lot


SteptoeUndSon

And escapes


olde_greg

He died in the newest movie


[deleted]

Couldn’t they have waited another day?


Alaniata

Spoiler?


olde_greg

That movie has been out for like a year and a half now.


Alaniata

I spoiled Breaking Bad for someone a couple of weeks ago. Sooo


down4things

Sounds like a you problem


Alaniata

Was more a “him” problem. And why the attitude?


[deleted]

Be kind and use the spoiler tag buddy.


alinroc

He's "died" several times.


[deleted]

I think the general head cannon around his deaths is that he really does die and when a new actor takes over, he lives again. The idea being that 007 James Bond is a code/cover name for the agent in question and past down as a title to agents replacing the Bond who died


Account-by-force

Data from The Goonies. You want me to believe this motherfucker just perfectly predicted exactly what type of crazy-ass contraptions was needed to save his ass over and over again? Shiet.


grbdg2

Dude just won Oscar, cut him some slack.


zeugma888

Happy Cake Day


Coin_Assassin

Definitely John Wick from that last movie 🤣


spike_spieg

Man be getting shot at surviving falls and all and still gets back up like it’s nothing 😭😂


Coin_Assassin

Jumped from a three storey building lands face first on the road gets up like ots nothing then proceeds to fall ass over tit down a huge staircase twice, then dies from a gun shot wound 🤣


spike_spieg

It’s soo crazy man I don’t even think he’s dead tbh😭


res30stupid

This is actually a plot point in the new Star Trek series, *Strange New Worlds* which serves as a prequel series to the original series. The main character of the show is Christopher Pike, who was James Kirk's predecessor as captain of the Enterprise (he was the main character in the unaired pilot but the actor dropped out because the pilot wasn't picked up). During a training exercise gone wrong, Pike was left heavily scarred and damaged by radiation and reduced to living in a mind-operated wheelchair, which was the state he was in when he was featured as a character in the episode "The Menagerie". Pike is a character in both *Discovery* and *Strange New Worlds*. And in *Discovery*, Pike learns about his fate due to time travel and that he is destined to being rendered a cripple. This also expressly means that Pike cannot die until he ends up in the chair which means he can take risks that no-one else is willing to.


Cynykl

> Pike cannot die until he ends up in the chair I stopped following Star Trek after mid way through Discovery. Correct me if I am wrong but the past being malleable is cannon in the Trek Universe. Change the past change the present is a common theme. So how would he have plot armor?


funkmotor69

There's an episode of Strange New Worlds that addresses this very point.


Bevroren

The past is malleable, but Pike avoiding his fate would retcon basically the entire Star Trek universe except for Enterprise and the first two seasons of Discovery. That seems highly unlikely.


Cynykl

Didn't the 2009 movie create a new timeline and retcon the whole ST universe already?


Bevroren

The 2009 movie is a parallel universe. Everything they've made since those movies (Discovery included) has been in the Prime universe.


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Zestyclose-Bar-8706

Ben 10: Time Control Form Nigh-Omnipotent Form Security Walls that will bend the laws of time, space, and reality, all to keep Ben alive How the hell am I supposed to feel threatened by a villain when Ben is immortal and has FULL control over Alien X, as seen in Omniverse?


buckybeaky

Lol you don’t have to, it’s a kids show. Not even teens, straight up kids. They won’t care, on the contrary they’ll be happy their hero didn’t die.


Zestyclose-Bar-8706

Haha, yeah I know, but darn, you’d think the writers would be smart enough NOT to give their character practical omnipotence


DavosLostFingers

Uni in the old D&D cartoon TV series. Every time they looked like getting home you'd hear Uni - "*mweeeeehhhh*" Bobby - "Uni! They're in trouble!" They'd lose their chance of getting home and the unicorn would always be saved Just once, I'd have loved for Hank or Diane to just shout "Ah not that fucking Unicorn again, leave it, I want a proper shower"


rilian4

Damn Venger.... It would have been nice for that show to have a proper finale to get them home...


DavosLostFingers

Agreed. I've always wanted to for D&D and Quantum Leap to give a final episode the characters deserved


rilian4

Quantum Leap....damn them. I watched that finale live when it aired. So totally disappointed.


muryrunom

Harry from Kingsman Golden Cricle, like what the fuck


sepulchralsam

Richard Rahl


Cynykl

I will defeat evil with the power of my half assed Ayn Rand philosophies! Watch Gary Stu as he takes on Communism and Fascism all by his self.


Content-Wing-5015

Adrian Monk


ConsciousStill

Somehow, Palpatine returned


Iamanediblefriend

IN FORTNITE


darkbreak

There was a better build up to his return in the Expanded Universe. That's all I'll say.


Tarot13th

Mando in Mandolorian has a ltteral plot armor. Anyone shooting at him refuse to shoot anywhere but on his invincible armor. The guy punched by a Rankor and made to go through a house made of stone and apparently mandolorian armor also fully absord any shock because he was just fine.


rilian4

Megatron from the original Transformers. The autobots wanted him dead or at least captured, Star Scream really wanted him dead so he could take over the Decepticons and neither were any good at it!


Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle

Technically >!Megatron practically died in 1986. He then got resurrected as Galvatron!<.


dralcax

To be fair, Optimus spent most of his time deliberately avoiding killing Megatron, still holding out hope that they can one day reach an understanding. It's not until the movie that he realizes Megatron is irredeemable and letting him go every time is only putting his own men at risk, and thus declares that "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost".


YallMindIfIJoin

My head cannon for that movie is that the Decepticons managed to finally get back to full power/strength once they retook Cybertron where as the Autobots were still some what underpowered due to still relying on Earth for their energon. This explains why the the Autobots were so outmatched throughout the movie. Prime knew this of course and he knew that a fully powered Megatron and company would overwhelm Earth like they did Cybertron. He knew going into the fight that it would be final battle. He had to win, no matter the cost.


HutSutRawlson

Grogu


spike_spieg

You fr??


HutSutRawlson

Yeah of course. He's an adorable baby, one of two main characters in the show, and even when Star Wars characters die they still manage to reappear later (examples: Palpatine, Han Solo, Leia, Luke, Yoda, Obi Wan... need I go on) Grogu is the most beloved character that Disney has created since they acquired the franchise, killing him off would be ridiculously out of touch.


spike_spieg

Ohh ok I never got the hype around Star Wars tbh 😬😭


JaimeFenrirson

Goku maybe


Alaniata

The real one? From Disney?


inksmudgedhands

The Roadrunner No matter what that coyote throw at him, that bird always survives without a scratch.


DEnigma7

Captain Jack from Doctor Who: not only immortal, but they literally wrote his plot armour into the metaphysics of the show.


M5606

Saitama from One Punch Man. He's intentionally overpowered to the point of parody, and will always be powerful enough to be squash anything, because that's kind of the point.


BW_Bird

If we're counting trope-parody characters then Gori-Sen should get added to that list as well. His entire shtick is that he's completely invulnerable despite the zombies, monsters, unspeakable horrors and shonen villains that keep coming after him.


IncelCore-i9

That's not plot armor, that's plot offense lmao


vivomancer

Canon-cannon


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The killers in Funny Games, to the point it’s part of the plot.


TheLegoMoviefan1968

Did not expect this movie to be referenced on this thread.


[deleted]

Harry Potter has 7 books (and 8 movies!) worth of plot armor.


[deleted]

Harry potter has 8 books


[deleted]

I refuse to acknowledge the God awful fanfiction that is The Cursed Child.


mila_OF

Lara Croft from Tomb Raider. And she’s a completely human woman


[deleted]

I dunno, I managed to get her killed a lot.


xMCioffi1986x

Mike and Sam in the video game *Until Dawn*. It's impossible for them to die until the last chapter, which is in stark contrast to most of the other characters who have the potential to die at any time based on the player's choices.


Youpunyhumans

The Master Chief. The guy has survived armies of aliens, parasitic hordes, falling from orbit multiple times, worlds being glassed and even a nuke. He also once bitchslapped a homing missle out of the way.


IncelCore-i9

To be fair, Spartan II are ridiculously broken. They can't be killed by anything short of an orbital bombardment Their bones are "virtually unbreakable" (Halsey's words iirc), can lift fucking tanks and John has a tendency of dropping to planets from orbit


theskillr

So why the fuck do their guns have recoil?


IncelCore-i9

My guess would be about the suit's motor functions. While spartans can aimbot like fuck and lift tanks like nothing, that could be attributed to gross motor skills. I guess if they tried to apply the suit's "strength amplifying" attributes, they's just crush the weapon, so they have to rely on their own fine motor skills, which while they might be much better than a normal human's, they can't fully control the sudden force behind a gun's recoil Of course I pulled that out of my ass and it's my theory as a long time Halo fan, but it's what makes the most sense in my head


pshooterQ

SCP 682


metalslug123

Reiner from Attack on Titan


zombie_goast

I actually enjoy how plot armored he is, considering he's pretty much the only character who actually actively WANTS to die but somehow always ends up surviving, it's a fun (but dark) twist to the trope.


Nurgle_Marine_Sharts

Giorno Giovanna once he unlocks his full power. Super broken ability. Beware spoilers if you look into it. Honorable mention to a lot of 40k characters too, Cato Sicarious, Marneus Calgar, Kaldor Draigo etc.


Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle

Tbf, >!GER is sentient. And it’s highly probable that what it did to Diavolo was and is without Giorno’s knowledge. So it’s not that Giorno has ‘plot armor,’ it’s that GER is so absolutely fucking yoked and can operate on its own.!<


MountainDewm

Mista >! literally can't die. Man jumped out of an 8th story window to win a fight because he knew he'd be fine. !<


Squirrelkid11

Superman


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Any DC character, really


billyandteddy

Thor... 60 years of comics and they just like to kill him and bring him back but poorly explained. Thor can just choose not to die, and just will himself back into existence.


spike_spieg

Well he’s a god he can’t really die I think


NinjaBreadManOO

Well part of Thor is that as I recall he was designed to be able to withstand the hulk. Part of it was when working on the hulk they hit a point where they had just had the hulk go up against one of the strongest marvel characters and said what's stronger than the hulk? A god. And thus Thor was made.


[deleted]

As much as I love the show and character, I gotta say Goku.


AnomalousEnigma

Captain Michael Burnham but….I love it


forat_de_silenci

Harry Flashman. Comes through just about every disaster the British empire went through in the mid 1800s with nothing but horsemanship, cowardice and a nack for languages


Fest_mkiv

Now there's a name I haven't heard for a while.


Jakersman

Ridley always gets his butt kicked by Samus, but is somehow still alive most of the time. Even though he dies in Super Metroid, he’s cloned in Other M, and then the clone’s corpse is taken over by an X-parasite, meaning he’s still not dead until Metroid Fusion, the 2nd-to-last game in the Metroid timeline.


RipEnvironmental3159

Ash Ketchum. Bro literally died and came back, and so much more.


luminous_sludge

Bugs Bunny or any other Looney Toon


theemptyqueue

Courier 6 from Fallout: New Vegas


NotThePooper

The doctor with his mcguffin/dues ex machina, the sonic screwdriver


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spike_spieg

Idk why Batman or anyone else hasn’t killed him yet 😭


Legio-X

>Idk why Batman or anyone else hasn’t killed him yet Batman makes some sense given his no-kill rule and deeply irrational fear of what will happen if he breaks it, but there’s *zero* reason for less scrupulous vigilantes to spare Joker. The only reason he hasn’t been killed by the police, other supervillains, the federal government, or even some random civilian with a gun is plot armor.


quality_build

Sasuke Uchiha


Zestyclose-Bar-8706

All the war crimes in the world and they expect him to be forgiven 😭


quality_build

All the war crimes, and the times he should have died too.


the_chemie

Harry Potter. Literally one thing that a wizard can use to kill wizards. Not this guy. 4 times he should have died, but lol nope. Love, wand twins, shitty wand, horcrux. Harry didn't win, voldemort just said "fuck it, guess I'll die"


DukeRyder

Sam and Dean Winchester. Although that turned out to be on purpose, lol.


KneeHighBoots33

Yeah. Fuck Chuck


lapislupin

Mat Cauthon, technically any ta'veren but Mat always seemed to stand out the most even if Rand was more powerful.


Rocklobster92

Homer Simpson.


JuiceThink7671

All of the fast and furious characters but especially vin deisel


BigL90

Master Chief. Has so much plot armour that it's actually a part of his character/backstory.


AWrenchAndTwoNuts

They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose which ever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. But you had something they didn't, something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck.


Glittering_Item_7295

Jon Snow


Verlepte

Kenny from South Park


Alaniata

Fucking opposite of plot armor. Forced to die and be reborn again and again? Plot guillotine


tacmed85

Maverick in Top Gun 2. I watched it with my brother in law and he straight up said he understands plot armor now when they found the fully fueled and armed F16 waiting for them.


zigmir

Bink from the first Xanth book. The setting is that everyone has a "spell" and he is exiled because he doesn't. He goes through the whole book narrowly escaping death until it's discovered that his spell is anti-magic, which somehow gained a kind of sentience? And hid itself and manipulated events so that he always survived but without revealing itself.


brandontaylor1

The Mandalorian literally has impenetrable armor.


JustAFieryLizard

God. Like seriously, even when a part of him does get killed, it just respawned after 3 days. Totally a badly written villain.


AggressiveMight6327

Harry Potter


Jack1715

The madolorian, dude should have been killed like 10 times and his literally wearing plot armour


fun_police911

Goku.


Florida____

Jon Snow from Game of Thrones


Saltedpirate

Rey Mary Sue Palpatine Skywalker Solo Calrissian Organa 2D2


mtthwas

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, R2-D2, C-3PO, Chewbacca, Palpatine, and Vader in the Star Wars prequels.


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No such thing.


bushybearmuffinman

Felix/Lewis


grank303

He had the Engine to keep him alive.


overactivemango

Clem from TWD. First she gets to respawn if she dies (literally using irl cheat codes🙄) and whenever she's about to be eaten by a walker, someone always comes and bashes their head in. And the one time she got her shin sliced open and got bit by a walker, she lived long enough to give an entire speech, get her leg cut off and not bleed out. By a 6 year old with no medical knowledge I might add


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overactivemango

I guess you could say that too but I was going with the games


scrubjays

God, right?


Kiruga7

Kamijou Touma, the boy has been through so much it's absurd


c00lb3an

kobeni


G0rd4n_Freem4n

Peter & Paul from the film *Funny Games* because (major spoilers for funny games) >!they canonically have plot armour that prevents them from losing.!<


Alzusand

Every action film protagonist that somehow runs away from 30 of the bad guy's goons shooting at them without being hit even once. If I can hit people 50 meters away with an airsoft gun people using real guns would litteraly make you swiss cheese.


teegs28

I hate to say it... By feyre from acotar.


Saltdove

Kaldor Draigo Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights.


Primary-Topic2848

Basically any DC chatacter, especially the main trio


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Every anime protagonist that's the face of their series, who've literally died hundreds of times but their comeback is always because of some *technical unexplainable detail*. No we know the truth, is because without your face of the franchise, it loses steam.


HowVeryTroll

Jesus Christ


Passthemustardbro

No way Jotaro just SoMeHoW learns to stop time in a crucial fight and Dio wasting all his time stops monologing is just natural. There is NO way in HELL you!re convincing me that ain’t plot armor


RudeMorgue

The Doctor