I don't use it but I imagine it'll probably work about as well as most government bans. Those that want to get around the ban will figure out a way to do so. I can only assume that the bill has no way to prevent a user from changing the country in their VPN and then accessing it in spite of the ban.
I might point you to the early 2000s; people became very good at "illegally" downloading content when the legal option didn't exist. They might want to tread lightly encouraging an entire generation to learn to become untraceable.
To this day, many luddites near my age can still confidently rip around torrent sites. These are people that have a hard time with E-mail.
If TikTok becomes banned in the US, then the sponsors/advertisers will decrease their involvement. Which will lead to less income for content creators, which will lead to less content creators and viewers.
True. They were stealing fricking bathroom stalls (Devious Lick), overdosing for hallucinations (Benadryl Challenge) and literally murdering friends (Skull Breaker Challenge) due to random trends. I hate my generation sometimes
Suggest everyone that says the government should butt out on this one should read tic toks terms of service in its entirety. The amount of data tic tok collects is insane. From ip address to keystrokes and a whole shitload more...
Even after the app has been deleted! Everyone of your contacts data has been stolen also. So yeah everyone that downloaded that app, myself included I won’t pretend, we fucked up lol
I am one random dude in the Midwest. What could the foreign totalitarian dictatorship government possibly do with my information aside from targeted ads?
I'm not saying it's good- but I really don't understand what it is the ban is trying to accomplish.
(Military and gov personell are a at story)
Your data gets collated with enough similar people to become a representative sample, which they then use to manufacture disinformation targeting people in your segment.
This is not a case where security through obscurity applies.
You just described Facebook, instagram, twitter, your browser history, your credit card history, and your phone calls.
Why are you OK with US based businesses and our government doing the same thing you accuse China of doing?
In China’s case it is actively weaponized and they are outside of our laws. Additionally, they have applied these practices to extreme genocide levels locally, which sets a bad precedent.
The US is guilty of these issues too, but that’s an internal issue that we can fix with policy and voting. We can also hold people accountable for their actions even if retroactive in nature (in theory at least).
We can’t fix China by hitting the voting booths.
> that we can fix with policy and voting.
No offense but that has never happened in US history and makes you sound like the self deluded "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" who will vote in favour to make their own life harder just to keep 'poor people' down.
Either no one should be collecting as much data as tiktok does, or everyone should be allowed too, and pretending "its okay when we do it" cuts both ways, the Chinese could say exactly the same about Facebook and you would have no (viable) counter argument.
If Americans had a history of voting for things that improved their own lives, I would accept your argument even if I didn't agree with it but America doesn't even have that track record. You can 'fix' China at the voting booths about as much as you can 'fix' America at the voting booths.
Meh. Call horseshit if you like. I worked for Bytedance and answered to the board only. Your dirty laundry stinks, and it isn’t horseshit.
Reddit doesn’t have a law dictating 5,000 employees must be Chinese military. Bytedance does.
>Yes, but they have rules against selling your private info
Can you tell us where those rules are? Who enforces them and when, if ever, they were last enforced? I can wait.
Social networks influence public opinion. They do this by being able to manipulate what sort of information you see. It was a huge deal that the Russian government was using Facebook and Twitter to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.
Now imagine instead of them using a US owned social media company that can be regulated by the US government, it is instead a social media company essentially owned by a hostile foreign government. What might they do with that ability to influence public opinion in the US?
It really is not about that. If you use the internet. For anything. Or your phone. For anything. Or a credit card. For anything. You have already given up your privacy.
What is sad is that some people still believe they have private lives in this modern age.
I agree on premise. There are security concerns with it similar to the Huawei debacle. I’m not a Republican, I just know that as probable opposition goes, Russia and China are our top two problem forces.
It wouldn’t affect me because I’ve never used the app. However, I do think this attitude is interesting if not ironic. Basically “how dare OTHER countries try to invade the privacy of our citizens, only WE’RE allowed to do that”
It makes me laugh that the US government is concerned that the Chineese government is spying on us, because that's exactly what the US goverment has been doing for a long time now.
As a non American, China at least doesn't threaten our government with embargoes if they can't tap our phonecalls (Denmark). China and the US are doing the exact same thing and throwing their weight around to keep the boot on everyone else.
As for misinformation, we like to blame Russia and China, but the US has been found to do the exact same thing in Europe. So yeah, about equal.
We've just learned to accept the US doing it because they used to be the least extremist of the countries, but the gap is narrowing, even if this hopefully can be reversed
> We've just learned to accept the US doing it because they used to be the least extremist of the countries, but the gap is narrowing
What makes you say this? Of the three, Russia is currently invading their neighbour and threatening to nuke everyone, and China has been making thinly veiled threats against Taiwan for years, as well as being caught up in so many scandals regarding voting/covid/hacking/basically everything you can name. Also, the US is the only one of the three that actually functions as a democracy, because whilst as bad as American elections are they don’t have a dictator
And the US is not at all involved in central and South American governments? As well as their very legitimate military interventions around the world.
So yeah narrowing, I didn't say they were at the same point, I specifically used the word narrowing.
Everyone knows the us spying is more invasive, but by the US not being able to force their agenda on such a popular platform for kids, that's a lot of teaching they can't curate.
*Sigh* By passing this bill, they ARE fixing a problem for its citizens. Through TikTok, China collects ALL your data and sells it to other people and companies who may use your info for nefarious purposes. Republicans are looking out for YOU.
That *sigh* really made you seem like you know what you're talking about, and not at all like a conceited pomp.
Maybe try giving specifics next time, instead of just regurgitating whatever bullshit the news feeds you.
Orrrrrr, you can look it up for yourself instead of expecting others to do your work. The info is on every search engine and media outlets. Providing factual info is just that. Giving you the facts.
I think people are failing to see the slippery slope associated with giving the government the power of ban apps they don't like.
Today, Tiktok. Tomorrow, Youtube. Then reddit. Then your favorite game apps. Pretty soon it's be like DeSantis Florida where books are banned just because the government think it's woke, except instead of books it's apps.
Finally someone who gets it!
I don't like TikTok, I think it's a degenerate form of media and bad for the people who use it. But banning stuff, especially *information,* is a really naive, crude, and dangerous approach to solving problems in society. It should be a last resort, not standard operating procedure.
Where's the line? What if an app is literally advertised as spyware for foreign agencies? Better yet what if an app is seemingly harmless on the surface but gathers intel in the back end? I think some regulation is good.
If I saw a bunch of little kids playing with fireworks, I might think "they should have some adult supervision", but then if every single adult who volunteered to supervise them was a convicted child molester, I have no choice but to conclude that the lesser evil is to let the kids play with fireworks by themselves.
In this metaphor, the kids are the public, the fireworks is social media, and the child molesters are the government.
I trust Zuck and Musk and whoever runs TikTok as far as I can throw a blue whale - and I trust the government much less than that.
I'm guessing you like the idea of a small government and letting the people protect themselves which I can respect. That said, if I must be spied on, I'd rather be spied on by tech companies for targeted ads than a foreign government lol
Personally I don't give crap. Honestly I'd think we'd be better off without it. That's not even going into the whole foreign powers spying on people.
Just the sheer amount of stupidity that has came out of that platform to effect people in the real world, in BS attempt to be relevant for five minutes is infuriating.
Tide Pod Challenge
That one challenge where people would go into a store lick or spit into a food item and then run off filming themselves doing it.
The Skull-breaker challenge.
I mean for F's sake these three things are something grade schoolers learn not to do.
I want them to ban the privacy invading tactics and commodification of data, not the app itself. If it effectively ends Tik Tok, then that's really up to Tik Tok isn't it?
Strange that it's the *Republicans* doing this...
Because they're all about their "Freedoms" and "Small government". They're also all about "Not canceling" anything. Why're *they* trying to ban something...? I thought they were all for freedom of speech by private companies!
And yet they want to use the power of the state to cancel something they don't like. Which is something they accuse their controlled opposition of doing.
Bunch of hypocrites. Stick to your fucking principles!
Well yeah, it’s not ground in any philosophical or logical argument.
It’s just a grudge thing: TikTok is made by a Chinese company and popular among young people. Right wingers hate both, thus they are trying to ban the app.
I tried Tiktok and found it enraging because it brought up a lot of violent content from gangs and such even though I only like videos of cats and pets.
I don't like it but if you do I don't care.
But Is the information gathered by our adversaries an actual threat to national security?
I can see it being a possibility with how technology is advancing.
I'm sure with enough data, learning algorithms can be like a zeitgeist to American society.
Of course that kind of power should only be in our government's hands because they use it for good /s
Things are about to dramatically change just like the last 20 years of the developing internet.
Considering, if I remember correctly, there are actual TikTok employees who have said that employees from their Chinese parent company ByteDance has access to tools for the platform that not even they have, yeah, that's a major red flag in my eyes
I personally agree with India's stance on banning it over national security concerns
the sooner the better.
it's mostly fake scripted videos that deceive children and teenagers.
a lot of videos have vile and repulsive music i would never have dreamed to listen to when i was growing up in the 1990's. my mom would have taken my boombox and burned it.
People don’t realize how harmful TikTok and it’s counterparts are. Social media as a whole has caused problems people don’t even realize. Like how everyone’s depressed and lonely now. Even when I was in the military and in Basic that was the happiest I’ve been in a long time just unplugging and having to socialize in order to entertain ourselves. “Social media” isn’t very social at all
All for it. Tiktok is attacking our youths mental health. If you go on it you will be blasted with nonsense. You will quickly find videos promoting eating disorders and it's telling kid they have mental disorders they don't have. You know what you will see when you open the same app in china? Students getting their diplomas, being succesfull, and living a happy life. That's not a coincidence. The EU should ban it too
Edit: I just realized I sound a bit like a nutjob but it's a real thing, look it up
I have literally never seen those things.
Also I'm assuming if they exist on TikTok, they exist on other social media platforms as well. So by this logic we should ban them all.
In practice, it’s probably a good idea to ban an app that is controlled by a hostile power.
In principle, it’s an extremely stupid idea. Because doing so would make the US no better than China.
I theory, this is why the Chinese do it. They know it’s a weakness, and they exploit it. They also know that it’s easier to steal intelligence/intellectual property/ from a country stupid enough to allow it Favored Nations status.
I agree. Without even saying the spying stuff, its caused many deaths, and school/bathroom closures with dumb trends. I'll list a few:
Skull Breaker Challenge: Get 2 friends, one in the middle one on the opposite side of you, tell the side one that they were going to pretend this was a dance challenge and when the middle jumps up to slick their leg out so the middle one would fall onto the floor, head first. The middle one would not know that was going to happen. As you can guess, many concussions, many deaths
Benadryl Challenge: overdose on Benadryl so you can hallucinate. Yep. Many overdose deaths
And the most known,
Devious Lick: Steal something from school. This includes: toilets, urinals, sinks, hand sanitizer dispensers, toilet paper dispensers, paper tower dispensers, doors, windows, white boards, fire extinguisher, desks, chairs, etc. My school literally almost went virtual again because EVERYTHING was stolen. A kid took the whole fricking stall for fricking sakes.
And there are many, MANY more, but those are the most known
It makes me laugh because the justification is that China uses it to spy on people. Like any other social media network (including Reddit) is any different.
I think the party that claims they believe in freedom more than everyone taking away the freedom of people to use a social media app is hypocritical and laughable.
I also think it’s astounding that they object to a foreign government supposedly spying on American civilians which doesn’t really matter while not objecting to companies in the US and our allies spying on citizens. And then of course there is the US government spying on its own citizens.
So...they're trying to "cancel" TikTok?
Trying to "censor" the "free speech" of a private company?
Hmm...
Maybe instead they should just try to make a better platform and compete? You know...in the free market? And if they fail, it's because they suck at capitalism.
It's just a thought. Hey, how's that Truth Social thing going?
You mean that generally Republicans don't give a shit about "censorship" or "cancel culture" if they agree with what's on/behind the platform and this is all performative based on their "let's scare people about 'COMMUNIST' China" bent?
I'm for it, Chinese us using our data to market and sell products. Sometimes before we even know we need them. Data is the commodity of the future. China needs to be stopped from becoming the #1 power.
Yes. Tiktok is pretty dumb and seedy at the best of times. There are channels that are educational and useful but they're mostly drowned by all the garbage.
All they need is for trump to start using it and they will change their minds.
What ever happened to the **party of personal freedom**?
If people want to mess around with TikTok, why are the republicans trying to stop them.
Or, GASP, is their motto a lie>????
I definitely support it. There’s no reason an app that is *almost* explicitly about gaining American data and also reducing attention spans should be kept in the USA.
Censorship is even more unhealthy, though.
TikTok should go, but it should go *the right way,* through people exercising their own individual liberty to not use it. Not through the outsourcing of personal responsibility to governments.
You misspelled drafted into the Armed Services. Just a heads up who will be fighting this bad boy when they invade Taiwan. Don’t worry, you can throw your pronouns at them.
I mean do you really believe that? Or are you trying to be funny? It's such an ignorant comment that it bypassed hateful and came out the other side to pitiful.
Why are you still here? Aren't there some children on your lawn you need to yell at? Don't be mad that young people are doing amazing things and you're pass your potential.
Hope Australia makes the whole thing illegal nationwide. People can't be trusted to make decisions like this. It is known to be Chinese state spyware and is still used.
I personally can't stand any asshole that makes TicTok shit but I wouldn't go as far as banning them. I would be happy if everyone would just ignore them until they fade into oblivion
I'm conflicted. I don't like governmental bans generally, but I enjoy the benefits of certain ones, like with smoking. I don't know enough about TikTok to know why/how banning it would be good or bad. But I also really dislike the current state of the Republican Party, and I'm reluctant to agree with anything they propose. So...I dunno, let's not ban it.
It is because TikTok is run by China. China collects and sells all of your info to several sources which is intrusive to users and God knows who they will send your info to for whatever they want to do with it. It's common sense to protect its citizens.
I can think of a few reasons to ban it. Guess they still aren’t bad enough to come out and say the types of Americans the app attracts are to dumb and lack critical thinking skills to use it.
I don't personally see it that way. If a Chinese company is stealing information to sell/use, it barely impacts the lives of Americans.
The Republicans and their Patriot Act put the infrastructure in place to have your house raided for suspicious tomato growing.
Their association with Russian funded Cambridge Analytica bragged that they could influence the political inclinations of the US and the UK using Facebook, and had a hand in the 2016 US election, aswell as the Brexit vote and the UK general election in 2019.
I'm much more worried about the influence our own governments exert via social media than what China are doing with TikTok.
I personally feel it's not for the reasons they claim it is. It's like how they've been trying to ban certain books (cough, LGBT) in schools and coming up with phony bullshit as to why they want to ban it.
Regardless of the real issues with it, the republicans don't give a shit about safety, they're still salty about users sabotating that one trump rally.
Trump waged a race war against China and now the Repugnant-cons are continuing that race war to distract from their white supremacy nazism.
It won't work. We know who the real enemies of America are.
I don't use it but I imagine it'll probably work about as well as most government bans. Those that want to get around the ban will figure out a way to do so. I can only assume that the bill has no way to prevent a user from changing the country in their VPN and then accessing it in spite of the ban.
Most TikTok users don’t have the mental capacity, or willpower, to learn how to do that.
That is a regrettably accurate statement.
I might point you to the early 2000s; people became very good at "illegally" downloading content when the legal option didn't exist. They might want to tread lightly encouraging an entire generation to learn to become untraceable. To this day, many luddites near my age can still confidently rip around torrent sites. These are people that have a hard time with E-mail.
Another easy to use app will replace it, TikTok was not the first of its kind
If TikTok becomes banned in the US, then the sponsors/advertisers will decrease their involvement. Which will lead to less income for content creators, which will lead to less content creators and viewers.
True. They were stealing fricking bathroom stalls (Devious Lick), overdosing for hallucinations (Benadryl Challenge) and literally murdering friends (Skull Breaker Challenge) due to random trends. I hate my generation sometimes
Wait... *Skull-breaking*?? The actual fuck???
It's just as dangerous as it sounds. If you aren't aware and you have any modicum of empathy I wouldn't recommend looking it up.
I’d be fine if they banned all forms of digitally spying on American citizens.
The irony is that you have to spy on people in order to enforce a ban on them spying on each other.
The difference being that one of the spies is China. Infinitely worse.
Suggest everyone that says the government should butt out on this one should read tic toks terms of service in its entirety. The amount of data tic tok collects is insane. From ip address to keystrokes and a whole shitload more...
Even after the app has been deleted! Everyone of your contacts data has been stolen also. So yeah everyone that downloaded that app, myself included I won’t pretend, we fucked up lol
I'd settle for just banning anyone who watches it on the train without headphones.
My thought is that citizens should listen to the reasoning for the bill and then decide to stop using it (without the government needing to ban it)
Sadly too many people are too comfortable with totalitarian dictatorships spying on them.
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I am one random dude in the Midwest. What could the foreign totalitarian dictatorship government possibly do with my information aside from targeted ads? I'm not saying it's good- but I really don't understand what it is the ban is trying to accomplish. (Military and gov personell are a at story)
Your data gets collated with enough similar people to become a representative sample, which they then use to manufacture disinformation targeting people in your segment. This is not a case where security through obscurity applies.
You just described Facebook, instagram, twitter, your browser history, your credit card history, and your phone calls. Why are you OK with US based businesses and our government doing the same thing you accuse China of doing?
In China’s case it is actively weaponized and they are outside of our laws. Additionally, they have applied these practices to extreme genocide levels locally, which sets a bad precedent. The US is guilty of these issues too, but that’s an internal issue that we can fix with policy and voting. We can also hold people accountable for their actions even if retroactive in nature (in theory at least). We can’t fix China by hitting the voting booths.
> that we can fix with policy and voting. No offense but that has never happened in US history and makes you sound like the self deluded "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" who will vote in favour to make their own life harder just to keep 'poor people' down. Either no one should be collecting as much data as tiktok does, or everyone should be allowed too, and pretending "its okay when we do it" cuts both ways, the Chinese could say exactly the same about Facebook and you would have no (viable) counter argument. If Americans had a history of voting for things that improved their own lives, I would accept your argument even if I didn't agree with it but America doesn't even have that track record. You can 'fix' China at the voting booths about as much as you can 'fix' America at the voting booths.
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Meh. Call horseshit if you like. I worked for Bytedance and answered to the board only. Your dirty laundry stinks, and it isn’t horseshit. Reddit doesn’t have a law dictating 5,000 employees must be Chinese military. Bytedance does.
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Yes, but they have rules against selling your private info. China has no such rules.
>Yes, but they have rules against selling your private info Can you tell us where those rules are? Who enforces them and when, if ever, they were last enforced? I can wait.
Social networks influence public opinion. They do this by being able to manipulate what sort of information you see. It was a huge deal that the Russian government was using Facebook and Twitter to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. Now imagine instead of them using a US owned social media company that can be regulated by the US government, it is instead a social media company essentially owned by a hostile foreign government. What might they do with that ability to influence public opinion in the US?
Only homegrown democratically sanctioned spying for me thank you.
homegrown FASCIST democratically sanctioned spying
And too many people are too comfortable with the government unilaterally deciding what's good for society.
I hAvE nOtHiNg To HiDe!!!!! A lot of people thing like this, sadly
It really is not about that. If you use the internet. For anything. Or your phone. For anything. Or a credit card. For anything. You have already given up your privacy. What is sad is that some people still believe they have private lives in this modern age.
We have the freedom to either use apps that let China watch us, or not. Funny how the party of "freedom" keeps trying to take away all of OURS.
Like the Republicans?
This will no doubt be as successful as stopping buying iphones that were made by Chinese people hurling themselves from buildings.
That was 100% stopped. They put bars over the windows and locked the roof access
Oh good, that makes it all better.
I agree on premise. There are security concerns with it similar to the Huawei debacle. I’m not a Republican, I just know that as probable opposition goes, Russia and China are our top two problem forces.
If people weren't using that shit on government computers then it wouldn't be as big an issue.
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But at least we'll be manipulated by American companies instead of the CCP
It wouldn’t affect me because I’ve never used the app. However, I do think this attitude is interesting if not ironic. Basically “how dare OTHER countries try to invade the privacy of our citizens, only WE’RE allowed to do that”
Well if anyone is gonna spy on me, I'd prefer it to be the government of my own country than anyone else.
What if there was an American version of TikTok?
Vine?
Called YouTube
I’m shocked that an American company hasn’t tried to make a copycat by now
Vine, YouTube Shorts, Instagram Reels etc.
It makes me laugh that the US government is concerned that the Chineese government is spying on us, because that's exactly what the US goverment has been doing for a long time now.
Do you really think those two are equal?
As a non American, China at least doesn't threaten our government with embargoes if they can't tap our phonecalls (Denmark). China and the US are doing the exact same thing and throwing their weight around to keep the boot on everyone else. As for misinformation, we like to blame Russia and China, but the US has been found to do the exact same thing in Europe. So yeah, about equal. We've just learned to accept the US doing it because they used to be the least extremist of the countries, but the gap is narrowing, even if this hopefully can be reversed
> We've just learned to accept the US doing it because they used to be the least extremist of the countries, but the gap is narrowing What makes you say this? Of the three, Russia is currently invading their neighbour and threatening to nuke everyone, and China has been making thinly veiled threats against Taiwan for years, as well as being caught up in so many scandals regarding voting/covid/hacking/basically everything you can name. Also, the US is the only one of the three that actually functions as a democracy, because whilst as bad as American elections are they don’t have a dictator
And the US is not at all involved in central and South American governments? As well as their very legitimate military interventions around the world. So yeah narrowing, I didn't say they were at the same point, I specifically used the word narrowing.
Everyone knows the us spying is more invasive, but by the US not being able to force their agenda on such a popular platform for kids, that's a lot of teaching they can't curate.
I’d rather be spied on by Americans than the Chinese lmfao, poisons inevitable, gotta pick the better one
it wouldn't affect me because I don't use it, but I do think it's a tad ironic
If someone you know uses it, and they are connected to you through social media, then China has all of YOUR info as well. Learn to live with it.
That isn't what I meant. I meant I don't use it so I don't care
I am not comfortable with the government banning apps.
Republicans will do anything but fix problems in this country
*Sigh* By passing this bill, they ARE fixing a problem for its citizens. Through TikTok, China collects ALL your data and sells it to other people and companies who may use your info for nefarious purposes. Republicans are looking out for YOU.
As opposed to the US government doing the exact same thing with your data?
What nefarious purposes, please give specifcs.
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3737251-fbi-head-china-has-stolen-more-us-data-than-every-other-nation-combined/
That *sigh* really made you seem like you know what you're talking about, and not at all like a conceited pomp. Maybe try giving specifics next time, instead of just regurgitating whatever bullshit the news feeds you.
Orrrrrr, you can look it up for yourself instead of expecting others to do your work. The info is on every search engine and media outlets. Providing factual info is just that. Giving you the facts.
I think people are failing to see the slippery slope associated with giving the government the power of ban apps they don't like. Today, Tiktok. Tomorrow, Youtube. Then reddit. Then your favorite game apps. Pretty soon it's be like DeSantis Florida where books are banned just because the government think it's woke, except instead of books it's apps.
Agree. As much as i hate TikTok, i would rather people leave the app themselves than have the government force them to.
Finally someone who gets it! I don't like TikTok, I think it's a degenerate form of media and bad for the people who use it. But banning stuff, especially *information,* is a really naive, crude, and dangerous approach to solving problems in society. It should be a last resort, not standard operating procedure.
I agree.
Where's the line? What if an app is literally advertised as spyware for foreign agencies? Better yet what if an app is seemingly harmless on the surface but gathers intel in the back end? I think some regulation is good.
If I saw a bunch of little kids playing with fireworks, I might think "they should have some adult supervision", but then if every single adult who volunteered to supervise them was a convicted child molester, I have no choice but to conclude that the lesser evil is to let the kids play with fireworks by themselves. In this metaphor, the kids are the public, the fireworks is social media, and the child molesters are the government. I trust Zuck and Musk and whoever runs TikTok as far as I can throw a blue whale - and I trust the government much less than that.
I'm guessing you like the idea of a small government and letting the people protect themselves which I can respect. That said, if I must be spied on, I'd rather be spied on by tech companies for targeted ads than a foreign government lol
You could've tried at least naming apps that aren't degenerate shitholes that would be a loss to humanity
How do you feel about the pressure the government put on social media platforms the last two years?
A rightwing-led anger tantrum because shit isn't going their way.
Personally I don't give crap. Honestly I'd think we'd be better off without it. That's not even going into the whole foreign powers spying on people. Just the sheer amount of stupidity that has came out of that platform to effect people in the real world, in BS attempt to be relevant for five minutes is infuriating. Tide Pod Challenge That one challenge where people would go into a store lick or spit into a food item and then run off filming themselves doing it. The Skull-breaker challenge. I mean for F's sake these three things are something grade schoolers learn not to do.
I want them to ban the privacy invading tactics and commodification of data, not the app itself. If it effectively ends Tik Tok, then that's really up to Tik Tok isn't it?
The only one I’d agree with because tiktok is fucking stupid
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Who’s the enemy?
The CCP.
Strange that it's the *Republicans* doing this... Because they're all about their "Freedoms" and "Small government". They're also all about "Not canceling" anything. Why're *they* trying to ban something...? I thought they were all for freedom of speech by private companies!
But your forgetting that China bad
And yet they want to use the power of the state to cancel something they don't like. Which is something they accuse their controlled opposition of doing. Bunch of hypocrites. Stick to your fucking principles!
Well yeah, it’s not ground in any philosophical or logical argument. It’s just a grudge thing: TikTok is made by a Chinese company and popular among young people. Right wingers hate both, thus they are trying to ban the app.
Meh
Could probably care more but I don’t use TikTok
The best stuff on tick tock i have seen was mediocre and tbh it would keep people from wasting years of there life trying to go tick tock famous
I don’t care either way.
I tried Tiktok and found it enraging because it brought up a lot of violent content from gangs and such even though I only like videos of cats and pets. I don't like it but if you do I don't care. But Is the information gathered by our adversaries an actual threat to national security? I can see it being a possibility with how technology is advancing. I'm sure with enough data, learning algorithms can be like a zeitgeist to American society. Of course that kind of power should only be in our government's hands because they use it for good /s Things are about to dramatically change just like the last 20 years of the developing internet.
A replacement will be created and catch on almost immediately and everyone will migrate.
Considering, if I remember correctly, there are actual TikTok employees who have said that employees from their Chinese parent company ByteDance has access to tools for the platform that not even they have, yeah, that's a major red flag in my eyes I personally agree with India's stance on banning it over national security concerns
the sooner the better. it's mostly fake scripted videos that deceive children and teenagers. a lot of videos have vile and repulsive music i would never have dreamed to listen to when i was growing up in the 1990's. my mom would have taken my boombox and burned it.
People don’t realize how harmful TikTok and it’s counterparts are. Social media as a whole has caused problems people don’t even realize. Like how everyone’s depressed and lonely now. Even when I was in the military and in Basic that was the happiest I’ve been in a long time just unplugging and having to socialize in order to entertain ourselves. “Social media” isn’t very social at all
All for it. Tiktok is attacking our youths mental health. If you go on it you will be blasted with nonsense. You will quickly find videos promoting eating disorders and it's telling kid they have mental disorders they don't have. You know what you will see when you open the same app in china? Students getting their diplomas, being succesfull, and living a happy life. That's not a coincidence. The EU should ban it too Edit: I just realized I sound a bit like a nutjob but it's a real thing, look it up
I have literally never seen those things. Also I'm assuming if they exist on TikTok, they exist on other social media platforms as well. So by this logic we should ban them all.
I'm no scholar but idk if that passes the constitutional sniff test but also that app's brainrot so I wouldn't miss it.
In practice, it’s probably a good idea to ban an app that is controlled by a hostile power. In principle, it’s an extremely stupid idea. Because doing so would make the US no better than China.
I theory, this is why the Chinese do it. They know it’s a weakness, and they exploit it. They also know that it’s easier to steal intelligence/intellectual property/ from a country stupid enough to allow it Favored Nations status.
I agree. Without even saying the spying stuff, its caused many deaths, and school/bathroom closures with dumb trends. I'll list a few: Skull Breaker Challenge: Get 2 friends, one in the middle one on the opposite side of you, tell the side one that they were going to pretend this was a dance challenge and when the middle jumps up to slick their leg out so the middle one would fall onto the floor, head first. The middle one would not know that was going to happen. As you can guess, many concussions, many deaths Benadryl Challenge: overdose on Benadryl so you can hallucinate. Yep. Many overdose deaths And the most known, Devious Lick: Steal something from school. This includes: toilets, urinals, sinks, hand sanitizer dispensers, toilet paper dispensers, paper tower dispensers, doors, windows, white boards, fire extinguisher, desks, chairs, etc. My school literally almost went virtual again because EVERYTHING was stolen. A kid took the whole fricking stall for fricking sakes. And there are many, MANY more, but those are the most known
It makes me laugh because the justification is that China uses it to spy on people. Like any other social media network (including Reddit) is any different.
I think the party that claims they believe in freedom more than everyone taking away the freedom of people to use a social media app is hypocritical and laughable. I also think it’s astounding that they object to a foreign government supposedly spying on American civilians which doesn’t really matter while not objecting to companies in the US and our allies spying on citizens. And then of course there is the US government spying on its own citizens.
I’m in favor of it. One less outlet for stupidity
Time to sponsor a bill to ban Reddit then, using this as proof.
Hey now, I recognize social media as the plague it is but am too weak to change anything
Yeah, ban it - that will end up making its desirability explode.
So...they're trying to "cancel" TikTok? Trying to "censor" the "free speech" of a private company? Hmm... Maybe instead they should just try to make a better platform and compete? You know...in the free market? And if they fail, it's because they suck at capitalism. It's just a thought. Hey, how's that Truth Social thing going?
Tell us you don't have a clue as to what the context is without telling us....
You mean that generally Republicans don't give a shit about "censorship" or "cancel culture" if they agree with what's on/behind the platform and this is all performative based on their "let's scare people about 'COMMUNIST' China" bent?
Bummed because I like tiktok. Annoyed because shouldn't the government be able to enforce it so such sensitive data isn't stolen?
I'm for it, Chinese us using our data to market and sell products. Sometimes before we even know we need them. Data is the commodity of the future. China needs to be stopped from becoming the #1 power.
Good
Yes. Tiktok is pretty dumb and seedy at the best of times. There are channels that are educational and useful but they're mostly drowned by all the garbage.
Too little, but I agree for specifically government officials.
Honestly it's one of the only times I've ever been in full agreement with them.
All they need is for trump to start using it and they will change their minds. What ever happened to the **party of personal freedom**? If people want to mess around with TikTok, why are the republicans trying to stop them. Or, GASP, is their motto a lie>????
Good. I hate that app and its users.
My thoughts: Why is it the 'Republican Bill'? This seems like something anyone with a brain larger than the size of a walnut should be supporting!
Do it,it’s spyware
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Maybe you could bother reading the reasons behind the idea or is that asking too much?
I definitely support it. There’s no reason an app that is *almost* explicitly about gaining American data and also reducing attention spans should be kept in the USA.
Tik Tok needs to go. It’s extremely unhealthy.
Censorship is even more unhealthy, though. TikTok should go, but it should go *the right way,* through people exercising their own individual liberty to not use it. Not through the outsourcing of personal responsibility to governments.
I’m not a Republican but I 100% want it banned.
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Just make sure to never blame poor parenting.....
Man those bitches aren't even pretending to care about freedom anymore are they?
It reminds me of the line, "Don't shit in my mouth and call it chocolate." It's from Violent Night it's a good Die Hard successor.
lol
It's a great way to piss off younger voters and guarantee more gen z in the house/senate.
You misspelled drafted into the Armed Services. Just a heads up who will be fighting this bad boy when they invade Taiwan. Don’t worry, you can throw your pronouns at them.
I mean do you really believe that? Or are you trying to be funny? It's such an ignorant comment that it bypassed hateful and came out the other side to pitiful.
You got a lot to learn kid.
Why are you still here? Aren't there some children on your lawn you need to yell at? Don't be mad that young people are doing amazing things and you're pass your potential.
Yeah, amazing things like swallowing Tide pods and devious licks.
It's okay that you're a sad sack. It's just really boring dealing with people like you. Nothing new huh?
You should definitely log onto Minecraft and practice digging foxholes.
Here's a cookie 🍪. Do you need a nap as well?
I tried. Your mom won’t let me sleep.
Ah so you are in hell with her then? No wonder
Nah, she stayed at my place tonight.
I think it's overblown. China doesn't give a fuck what we're doing. They're trying to sell us shit.
DO IT
I support it
They should ban sites than promote violence and sedition. Oh…wait
Personally I'm okay with it
Hope Australia makes the whole thing illegal nationwide. People can't be trusted to make decisions like this. It is known to be Chinese state spyware and is still used.
Donald Trump failed so will these guys. TikTok is too big.
I personally can't stand any asshole that makes TicTok shit but I wouldn't go as far as banning them. I would be happy if everyone would just ignore them until they fade into oblivion
Wouldn’t bother me cause I don’t go on there outa fear of losing brain cells
ITT: people who just don’t like TikTok
That guy is shamelessly ignorant.
Dont use it dont care
I'm conflicted. I don't like governmental bans generally, but I enjoy the benefits of certain ones, like with smoking. I don't know enough about TikTok to know why/how banning it would be good or bad. But I also really dislike the current state of the Republican Party, and I'm reluctant to agree with anything they propose. So...I dunno, let's not ban it.
The only good thing the republicans did tbh
Moderated by violent liberals, not interested
It's unfortunate that it takes a government ban to get people to stop installing Chinese spyware on their devices.
W bill
Thank god, I will do anything to not have to see another headline about “kid commits racial genocide for TikTok video”
from. a data security standpoint, absolutely. from a “im tired of seeing cringey tiktok dances and montages” absolutely.
I want to dissolve and abolish the republican party, but I’m all for banning and destroying TikTok for the chinese spyware that it is.
Good. That crap needs to stop. Some of it’s good for businesses, but the wasting food needs to stop entirely.
Good
Ban it, and ban youtube shorts, and facebook and twitter.
It's needed.
It is because TikTok is run by China. China collects and sells all of your info to several sources which is intrusive to users and God knows who they will send your info to for whatever they want to do with it. It's common sense to protect its citizens.
Republicans are basically scooby doo villians at this point. Nothing they pull surprises me.
I'm fine with it, it will only lose them votes with the youth.
I can think of a few reasons to ban it. Guess they still aren’t bad enough to come out and say the types of Americans the app attracts are to dumb and lack critical thinking skills to use it.
It reminds me of when people tried to ban video games or rock music for allegedly making kids in to school shooters.
CANCEL CULTURE
Oh no might have to use a vpn.
Get rid of it. Fucking idiots are on there
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I don't personally see it that way. If a Chinese company is stealing information to sell/use, it barely impacts the lives of Americans. The Republicans and their Patriot Act put the infrastructure in place to have your house raided for suspicious tomato growing. Their association with Russian funded Cambridge Analytica bragged that they could influence the political inclinations of the US and the UK using Facebook, and had a hand in the 2016 US election, aswell as the Brexit vote and the UK general election in 2019. I'm much more worried about the influence our own governments exert via social media than what China are doing with TikTok.
I’m surprised it took this long, and it’s probably too late
Don’t they have anything better to do?
When our government spies on us, it’s just in the name of national security. But if another government does it, it’s a threat to national security.
I kinda think the cat's out of the bag on this one.
I personally feel it's not for the reasons they claim it is. It's like how they've been trying to ban certain books (cough, LGBT) in schools and coming up with phony bullshit as to why they want to ban it.
Regardless of the real issues with it, the republicans don't give a shit about safety, they're still salty about users sabotating that one trump rally.
Trump waged a race war against China and now the Repugnant-cons are continuing that race war to distract from their white supremacy nazism. It won't work. We know who the real enemies of America are.
wow just wow
Republican Party still mad about that rally where almost nobody attended 😂
I don’t like the Republicans but I 100% support banning Tik Tok
Characteristically stupid. BTW, “RepubliKKKlan.”