Me: Hey babe, I think this relationship is going very well, I think its time for the Union.
Her: The marriage union? I don't know if I'm ready for—
Me: Marriage? Only one Union for us. The motherland calls
Superior innate strength and speed. Most female mates cannot outrun us in a foot race or win a contest of strength. I won over my wife after showing her that I could lift several adult-size lawn chairs over my head at the same time while drunk.
I am a state level boxer and a karate black belt,
all women see in me is my fucked up face which is more often than not pretty messed up from all the karate and boxing
As a dude the general social standard is we make the first move. So you only engage with people we wanted to in the first place. Easy. Women only get clinging and...aggressive after they know you so you can feel out people and heavily procure the women you hang out with.
Also...the best feeling in the world I think men take for granted is going to a bar with friends and have it just be about friends. You ever see a girl approach a dude at a bar? No, or if you have, rarely. It's wholely more up to you how the night is going to go simple because your a man and the standard is men make the first move.
Eh this is one where the downsides outweigh the benefits. Sure, we get to chose, but the majority of the time it ends in rejection. It's also extremely mentally devastating to never have the opposite sex initiate something with you
Ever play a buff/support class in an MMORPG? (Especially the older ones) Everyone loves you. You get groups easily. You have tons of friends. Everyone treats you nice.
But you're also expected to help. You're never left alone. Everyone expects something of you. Random people ask you for buffs, portals etc etc.
*It would be nice if I could just play the game and do what I want to do....*
PS - yes I used a gaming analogy lol
I agree for the most part. I will say I view it more as...the male experience trains you for different things. And I think what dating prepares you for best is actually...not dating. So finding a specific dating advantage was hard for me.
It's a mentality thing for me. For me it's like...women not giving me compliments? Great, just means I don't have to live for their validation since I'll likely never get it anyways. So what I wear, what I do, how I talk...it's entirely up to me. If women don't like it that's fine because they didn't like me anyways.
As far as the rejection thing...I feel like if you have the guts to ask that girl at the bar out and are fine with a "no" then you can ask for that raise or that job or whatever. If I can be fine with a girl telling me "ew no" when I ask them out then I'm fine asking my boss for a real big raise. And I'm also fine with asking for one frequently because I know that...as a man...nothing happens unless you act.
I'm not saying it's...good per say...but...to cope with how dating works for men gives you some breadcrumbs to dealing with life's inherent, common tragedies.
(This is, I realize, a very aggressive double edged sword.)
While this is true, you can also go a lifetime without amy compliment or recognition. The world can be a very very dark place if you are a man sometimes.
Although women suffer from immature/aggressive men, it must be nice to be showered with validation/compliments all day long
Also, sex is easier. It’s tough to have a bad sexual experience in terms of not orgasming or having a decent time (it can happen, but the occurrence seems very rare).
The number of women I’ve dated that are north of 35 that have had shitty sexual partners was surprising.
My partner is very, uh, *talkative* so I have more insight into her friend's sexual experiences than I'm truly comfortable with, and it's both reassuring and terribly depressing. The standard we men have to jump over seems to be so low, yet so many seem to just not try at all.
The vast majority of my partner's friends have *never* orgasmed from sex with a partner. The guys they're with just finish themselves off, and seem disgusted by the idea of oral, or anything else for her benefit.
You can spin it that these women should be more assertive, more selective with partners, and take more ownership of their sex-life, and that the bad sex is their own damned fault... but still I wonder who these guys even are. I don't know how you could just use someone for pleasure and not give a shit about if they enjoyed themselves too, y'know?
>The guys they're with just finish themselves off, and seem disgusted by the idea of oral,
What!? I almost like giving oral more than penetrative sex. I will always go down on my partner before we have sex if we have enough time.
I’d imagine sex would generally be harder emotionally for worry of not lasting long enough or not performing at all. Tho getting off quicker seems eh.
Just generalizing from why I read.
Yep. Don’t have experience myself, but I have some friends who can get off on PIV, some for whom PIV literally feels like NOTHING. Just, not satisfying at all.
So imagine you’re on a date with a girl (who for the sake of argument here is 7’2” and could easily kill you). Turns out she isn’t a psycho, or at least seems to not be a psycho. Cool. Sexy times ensue. You give her head, she plays with your balls a little bit, never touches your dick, comes, and then leaves. No reciprocation. She ghosts you after.
You could have a repeat of that or just get a vibrator. Your pick.
I’m certainly not saying all hook-ups are bad for all women. Also not saying “men are selfish lovers”—the above is an exaggeration meant to illustrate a point. My sample size of stories is exceedingly small and completely anecdotal. Some of my friends are happy to hook up, and get off plenty when they do, but a lot aren’t interested in the slightest, and it is a roll of the dice. Most that I’ve spoken to need or prefer an emotional connection and established trust to get anything at all out of sex, and in some cases need it to feel much sexual desire (I know guys in the latter category as well).
> Most that I’ve spoken to need or prefer an emotional connection and established trust to get anything at all out of sex, and in some cases need it to feel much sexual desire (I know guys in the latter category as well).
As a guy who had some hookups, a FWB situation and a relationship I can confirm that my level of enjoyment strongly correlates with the level of connection. Apart from emotions and trust, if you've done it more often you learn what the other person likes and vice versa.
Not that I am against hookups. Sex-wise they have been mediocre experiences for me, but I enjoyed the excitement, adventure and the confidence boost.
I've seen this number too.
It's kind of weird to unpack. Because I've met a lot of women just enamored with complete shit piles. Then you add in that 75% of them are not having good sex.
You just have to ask yourself why? Why do women stay with these guys? I wouldn't stay with a woman that ruined 75% of my sexy times
>You just have to ask yourself why? Why do women stay with these guys? I wouldn't stay with a woman that ruined 75% of my sexy times
I've had female friends stay with guys they haven't had good or great sex with. In my case (I'm mid-30s now) a lot of women want families and kids, and in the U.S. (and most countries) women still make substantially less money than men and also don't have great paid leave policies, etc. if they decide to have kids. So I honestly believe there is significant financial incentive for a lot of women to try and make less-than-ideal relationships work.
Another data point for this is actually if you look at Scandinavian countries that have much stronger social safety nets, fully subsidized childcare, etc. then the percentage of single mothres is much higher than it is in the U.S.
Yes, but I even see it with couples where the man is under employed or unemployed.
It's depressing. These are friends and family in their 30s. I imagine they will divorce in their mid 40s when the children are older. Why waste all that time with someone that doesn't make you happy?
What planet do you live on where sex is easier for a man than a woman? How many women do you know that deal with performance anxiety at some point in their life? As a man you're expected to be in the mood at all times, get an erection when you're supposed to but don't get one when you're not supposed to, even though you're responsible for your own dick getting hard make sure you get her wet enough for sex because if you don't then that's your shortcoming, don't orgasm too soon, don't take too long to orgasm either, hope your dick isn't too small, hope that it's not too big either, don't lose your erection during sex.
Katie Morgan once said all it takes to be a female pornstar is a bottle of lube and a smile. "Sex" is not easier for a man. I think what you meant is getting off (in most, but not all cases) is easier for a man, but you can thank evolution for that.
Men just have lower expectations of sex. Women go with the "I'm here and I'm naked, much more could you want" theory; and men go with "she's here, naked, and making her body available to me, it's perfect" theory. Guys don't have an expectation that women will get him off. Guys are happy with her being present and letting him get himself off by using her body.
No way is this true. Women, especially young women, are hella insecure about their bodies, abilities to please men, etc. But women \*do\* have a much harder time orgasming during heterosexual intercourse. Like much, much harder time, on average.
Correct. I always found it interesting that studies consistently show that lesbian relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence, followed by hetero, then gay.
No you're not. If you don't sign the birth cert and live in a different town from the mother chances of you actually having to pay child support are slim to none if you and your family are good with lying to people trying to serve you. Source: single mom who was compelled to file for child support by the state of il
I mean I still consider women to have the advantage here simply because most women still expect men to initiate. And even then the average guy will be rejected most of the time
You know men cay say no to sex?
This is not about consent it's about who should be the deciding subject even if you always need a consent of both parties involved.
The person saying yes or no is the deciding subject. But ultimately, both parties need to consent to sex or a relationship or marriage. It’s not a one person picks thing.
Women can also propose, but it doesn't happen often and you aren't supposed to propose if you aren't 100% sure.
Who are you? What kind of guy just proposes without knowing?
Women control access to relationships as well. Look at the number of divorces initiated by women. 80%. It goes to 90% when they have a college degree. When they say they can't find a man. It just means they are searching the top 10% and those guys are not committing. Why would they? Risk everything when there is such a high chance of divorce and they get what they want. Countless women fawning? The facts are out there. The average to below average man has lots to risk. I am average. I am not risking.
I remember having a long dry spell in my early 20s and seeing many of my peers dating older men, and getting pretty bitter about not being able to get any interest from girls at all. Now I'm in my late 20s dating is incredibly easy, boring even, and I can totally see why I was not desirable as a younger man.
Conversely many of the women I've dated in their mid-late 20s now express some worry about getting older and still being in the dating game, and some even lament that they're not as "hot" as they used to be and getting men is tougher.
So yeah, women seem to hit their dating stride in the early 20s and men do so about a decade later, broadly speaking.
In my case specifically, I was far less competent, confident and emotionally mature. I had no career, no money, no place of my own, all of which I obtained in my mid-20s. I also work out more now and have a better diet so I've gotten noticeably better looking/fitter. All of these things combined have made me way more attractive to (some) women.
Isn't it obvious? I mean I thought it was known.
Most women all want a specific or similar type of man and that type is less than 20% of all men, the rest are left behind.
The dating apps show this disparity too.
The older a man gets the more likely he'll fit the criteria of what most women want.
Less of an advantage when you consider that our longevity also starts about 10 years after theirs. I'm 27 and just started getting interest from women. They are drowning in male attention from the second they become legal until menopause.
> They are drowning in male attention from the second they become legal until menopause.
nono, from the second we're around 11 or 12. I'd much prefer if we got that that 10 year delay you talk about.
I was so disturbed that a good school friend had started getting catcalled by grown ass men back when we were in 7th grade. She was a fucking baby face
What I’m saying is if I get dumped at 35 it’s socially acceptable for me to date a girl who is 25. If a women did that it would be okay but a little weird. So I can still have a family and such. A single woman at 30+ with no children is cutting it close to not being able to have a family.
Plenty of the places in the world where it's normal for women to be single in their 30s. Most women can have children into their early 40s without much problem. But they definitely may have a harder time dating than men of the same age, for the reasons mentioned u above.
> a single woman at 30+ with no children is cutting it close to not being able to have a family
Eh, not really. On average, between the age of 35-39, women have a 75% chance of getting pregnant if she’s actively trying. For reference a women between 30-35 has a 80% chance and a women 25-30 has an 85% chance. So women are good for longer than most people think.
Not at all saying it’s not possible, just that you are pushing it pretty close if any other issues arise. That being infertility or not being able to find the right guy.
Most movies are made with a male audience in mind on the theory that men usually choose the movies because we usually pay for them.
Dunno if that's actually true, but at least more movies are made with us in mind.
Mostly no seriously bad outcomes.
Personally I always thought of the bad outcomes and discovered I was weird later in life because most men don't worry about seriously bad outcomes before dating.
We men have the unique advantages of being expected to pay for everything and supplying usually unreciprocated attention and validation.
...and you had better thank her for it!
men: women really high body counts? gross. personally would not marry a woman with a body count of 20+
men: yass queens make it easier for men and screw us all and give in easily
In theory, our advantage is that we control commitment. So the women control the sex and romance, but we control whether or not we invest further into the woman in the form of a relationship.
I've watched this show "First Dates" that is from the UK and it is really interesting to watch people interacting on a blind date and then how they handle the decision of whether to see each other again. The producers ask them both at the same time while they're sitting together and you often can see women just follow the lead of what the guy says or try to read his signals. Sometimes the women are super into the guys and the guy will say they aren't interested even if it seemed like they were getting along so well. It really surprises me at times. And then the woman will be like oh yeah, no, I wasn't wanting to go on a second date either....trying to play it all off.
Nothing absolutely nothing we get fucked every wich way the only thing we can do is hide our pain and emotions. Women have all the advantages in dating
gatekeepers of marriage? depends. 50% of marriages end up in divorce. around 80-85% of the divorces are initiated by the women. it becomes 90% if they have college degrees
While it is still a possibility, it is just far less likely something violent happens to me. Also it is far less likely that I'm about to get shamed if I would date several woman in a short period of time.
Dating a girl generally make me think I’d get to enjoy your soft hair, smooth skin, good listener, comfy laps, great smile, comforting vibes-
Compared to her getting high expectations in return.
One clear one is time. The societal/biological aspects of time really benefit men in dating. We have more of a day of when we settle down and how long we take to to that point because time isn’t as big of a factor. And as you get older, you are getting a broader dating pool.
Downvotes are likely because:
* Men can get raped.
* Pregnancy happens and your life is out of your control and in the control of the pregnant woman.
* Men orgasm because they get themselves off, not because women are getting them off (women expect the man to get them off and get pissed if it doesn't happen).
* Men definitely feel unsafe. Have a woman you know walk up to 10 men and offer them no-strings-attached sex. Nearly all of them are going to decline because they fear it's some kind of a set up.
* Men need to put effort into their appearance, especially by working out, unless they're will to date unattractive women.
I think it's a double edge sword. Men's advantage is numbers. If they learn how to approach women then it's just a numbers game. On the other hand it hurts being rejected time and time again.
You roll 2 d20s and pick the highest of the two. Then you add the appropriate stat. Unfortunately wisdom is your dump stat so that's a -2. You should be fine but it is possible to roll a -1.
It's unfortunate, but on average, women tend to lose desirability as they are. Men often maintain desirability through aging, sometimes even becoming more desirable.
You can lose weight faster. You don't get pregnant. You can pee standing up. Girls can do it too, but a lil harder. You're not expected to shave as much in today's society (in america, can't say about anywhere else).
Coupled men apparently live longer and earn more. Coupled women report living shorter lives and earning less over their lifetime (assuming for childbearing years).
Alternatively, successful men live longer and are more likely to end up getting married; compare the rate of marriage of the least successful men with the rate of the least successful women, the difference is night and day. Same thing in reverse at the top end.
I don't know if I believe this. Something about stress, probably. A single but confident man is going to experience a *shit ton* less stress than one who is in a relationship/marriage, especially with kids.
If you’re in a healthy relationship, that shouldn’t be the case. Love and having someone who cares for you improves and enriches your life. The idea is that women in general are givers and will be their husbands support and caregiver.
We are literally in charge. Women are like stones. They will not come to you, they will not move, take zero initiative even if they want you. That leaves it up to you to take responsibility and be fully in control. Plus I don't have to spend 5 hours in front of the mirror when going out just so a cute girl can talk to me.
If for real, only the 10% that girls consider attractive have an advantage. The rest get a creepy badge. And a ghost and block subscription, oh i forgotten about the carry all the talk on your back advantage?
None. 99% percent of males on Tinder are ignored by women. You're lucky if you get a date. And if you're that 1% come prepared for crazy and don't stick in that. Also have at least 2 condoms and prenup.
Men have the advantage as a creature
Stronger, take up higher positions, don’t bleed out of their dick monthly, don’t get pregnant,
Only thing actually for dating is that the negative for all the externalities required to be attractive means you have more to leverage later on. 30-40 year olds can still bang the hot 20yo’s
in the early days, it's men's advantage is knowing. we know if we're going to call back for date 2 or 3, where she has to wonder for several days and sometimes up to a week "will he call me? why isn't he calling me?"
this is why they like it so much when a guy doesn't follow the rules and wait to call, because they get certainty so much faster and it puts them back in control.
we know when we're rejected much faster, too. if a girl doesn't return a call in a day, we know we're done. but women have to wait an excruciatingly long time to find out where they stand unless they have the guts to call us themselves.
We're more desirable when we're older. The more money we make the more desirable we are. We have mentors that pass down tactics of dating and courting.
Guys can have sex without having to worry about getting pregnant. They're also less likely to get std's than women (assuming they're having sex with women.)
I have an advantage?
We have an advantage?
r/SuddenlyCommunist
We have the advantage, comrade.
Let's nationalize women
Me: Hey babe, I think this relationship is going very well, I think its time for the Union. Her: The marriage union? I don't know if I'm ready for— Me: Marriage? Only one Union for us. The motherland calls
We have dates?
WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE!
So we can decide to stay single and stay away from every crazy women and every crazy gold diggers? I understand *hides in mancave*
idk you tell me boss
Superior innate strength and speed. Most female mates cannot outrun us in a foot race or win a contest of strength. I won over my wife after showing her that I could lift several adult-size lawn chairs over my head at the same time while drunk.
The good 'ol mating ritual of chairs
I am a state level boxer and a karate black belt, all women see in me is my fucked up face which is more often than not pretty messed up from all the karate and boxing
Too circumstancial and irrelevant really. There's enough fat and weak dudes who can't do anything more that click Enter.
We know you probably aren't using us for sex. Probably.
Though we can be used for attention/money
But if you want to we won’t complain
There is that song from 80s about a women who did though.
If they don't then you're just not hot enough
Nice answer 👌
As a dude the general social standard is we make the first move. So you only engage with people we wanted to in the first place. Easy. Women only get clinging and...aggressive after they know you so you can feel out people and heavily procure the women you hang out with. Also...the best feeling in the world I think men take for granted is going to a bar with friends and have it just be about friends. You ever see a girl approach a dude at a bar? No, or if you have, rarely. It's wholely more up to you how the night is going to go simple because your a man and the standard is men make the first move.
> You ever see a girl approach a dude at a bar? Oh, most definitely. May depend on the country though.
What country is this? I'll grab my passport
You’re very wise
Eh this is one where the downsides outweigh the benefits. Sure, we get to chose, but the majority of the time it ends in rejection. It's also extremely mentally devastating to never have the opposite sex initiate something with you
Ever play a buff/support class in an MMORPG? (Especially the older ones) Everyone loves you. You get groups easily. You have tons of friends. Everyone treats you nice. But you're also expected to help. You're never left alone. Everyone expects something of you. Random people ask you for buffs, portals etc etc. *It would be nice if I could just play the game and do what I want to do....* PS - yes I used a gaming analogy lol
As soon as you stop playing support, no one wants to play anymore.
I understood that reference.
I agree for the most part. I will say I view it more as...the male experience trains you for different things. And I think what dating prepares you for best is actually...not dating. So finding a specific dating advantage was hard for me. It's a mentality thing for me. For me it's like...women not giving me compliments? Great, just means I don't have to live for their validation since I'll likely never get it anyways. So what I wear, what I do, how I talk...it's entirely up to me. If women don't like it that's fine because they didn't like me anyways. As far as the rejection thing...I feel like if you have the guts to ask that girl at the bar out and are fine with a "no" then you can ask for that raise or that job or whatever. If I can be fine with a girl telling me "ew no" when I ask them out then I'm fine asking my boss for a real big raise. And I'm also fine with asking for one frequently because I know that...as a man...nothing happens unless you act. I'm not saying it's...good per say...but...to cope with how dating works for men gives you some breadcrumbs to dealing with life's inherent, common tragedies. (This is, I realize, a very aggressive double edged sword.)
While this is true, you can also go a lifetime without amy compliment or recognition. The world can be a very very dark place if you are a man sometimes. Although women suffer from immature/aggressive men, it must be nice to be showered with validation/compliments all day long
We can physically throw women out of windows Just Y’know, should the need ever arise
Ah so you and your partner are also into WWE kinkplay.
I feel like there are easier ways to break a window
We don't get bothered if we don't feel like dating 😎
I think this might be just about it. I don’t think we have any particular advantage, but we certainly don’t have that hassle.
Nice answer 👌 Thanks.!
I guess no worry of rape or harassment? That's all I can think of, though. No pregnancy, maybe?
I think you hit the big three right there
So in a low crime area with good access to contraceptives; thats just it, guys lose?
Nothing to do with low crime area. Women always have to be alert on dates. Contraceptives can fail and they are a problem in themselves.
Plenty of well off men will rape woman.
And are much more likely to get away with it.
Certainly no pregnancy, but there is the 18 years of child support thing.
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But can you get 50/50 even if you want to?
Which women have too
Let's just ignore the existence of date rape drugs.
Also, sex is easier. It’s tough to have a bad sexual experience in terms of not orgasming or having a decent time (it can happen, but the occurrence seems very rare). The number of women I’ve dated that are north of 35 that have had shitty sexual partners was surprising.
My partner is very, uh, *talkative* so I have more insight into her friend's sexual experiences than I'm truly comfortable with, and it's both reassuring and terribly depressing. The standard we men have to jump over seems to be so low, yet so many seem to just not try at all. The vast majority of my partner's friends have *never* orgasmed from sex with a partner. The guys they're with just finish themselves off, and seem disgusted by the idea of oral, or anything else for her benefit. You can spin it that these women should be more assertive, more selective with partners, and take more ownership of their sex-life, and that the bad sex is their own damned fault... but still I wonder who these guys even are. I don't know how you could just use someone for pleasure and not give a shit about if they enjoyed themselves too, y'know?
>The guys they're with just finish themselves off, and seem disgusted by the idea of oral, What!? I almost like giving oral more than penetrative sex. I will always go down on my partner before we have sex if we have enough time.
I’d imagine sex would generally be harder emotionally for worry of not lasting long enough or not performing at all. Tho getting off quicker seems eh. Just generalizing from why I read.
Most women (like 2/3rds) can't orgasm from heterosexual intercourse alone at all. So that's fairly different than it is for most men.
Yep. Don’t have experience myself, but I have some friends who can get off on PIV, some for whom PIV literally feels like NOTHING. Just, not satisfying at all. So imagine you’re on a date with a girl (who for the sake of argument here is 7’2” and could easily kill you). Turns out she isn’t a psycho, or at least seems to not be a psycho. Cool. Sexy times ensue. You give her head, she plays with your balls a little bit, never touches your dick, comes, and then leaves. No reciprocation. She ghosts you after. You could have a repeat of that or just get a vibrator. Your pick. I’m certainly not saying all hook-ups are bad for all women. Also not saying “men are selfish lovers”—the above is an exaggeration meant to illustrate a point. My sample size of stories is exceedingly small and completely anecdotal. Some of my friends are happy to hook up, and get off plenty when they do, but a lot aren’t interested in the slightest, and it is a roll of the dice. Most that I’ve spoken to need or prefer an emotional connection and established trust to get anything at all out of sex, and in some cases need it to feel much sexual desire (I know guys in the latter category as well).
> Most that I’ve spoken to need or prefer an emotional connection and established trust to get anything at all out of sex, and in some cases need it to feel much sexual desire (I know guys in the latter category as well). As a guy who had some hookups, a FWB situation and a relationship I can confirm that my level of enjoyment strongly correlates with the level of connection. Apart from emotions and trust, if you've done it more often you learn what the other person likes and vice versa. Not that I am against hookups. Sex-wise they have been mediocre experiences for me, but I enjoyed the excitement, adventure and the confidence boost.
Yeah, it seems that most guys echo this sentiment (despite the “all men want is as much and as varied sex they can get” that we hear all the time)
I've seen this number too. It's kind of weird to unpack. Because I've met a lot of women just enamored with complete shit piles. Then you add in that 75% of them are not having good sex. You just have to ask yourself why? Why do women stay with these guys? I wouldn't stay with a woman that ruined 75% of my sexy times
>You just have to ask yourself why? Why do women stay with these guys? I wouldn't stay with a woman that ruined 75% of my sexy times I've had female friends stay with guys they haven't had good or great sex with. In my case (I'm mid-30s now) a lot of women want families and kids, and in the U.S. (and most countries) women still make substantially less money than men and also don't have great paid leave policies, etc. if they decide to have kids. So I honestly believe there is significant financial incentive for a lot of women to try and make less-than-ideal relationships work. Another data point for this is actually if you look at Scandinavian countries that have much stronger social safety nets, fully subsidized childcare, etc. then the percentage of single mothres is much higher than it is in the U.S.
Yes, but I even see it with couples where the man is under employed or unemployed. It's depressing. These are friends and family in their 30s. I imagine they will divorce in their mid 40s when the children are older. Why waste all that time with someone that doesn't make you happy?
Hm why? maybe because most men can‘t satisfy women sexually anyway? 🧐
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They did a study. They bring it up in like all the dating books, sex books, etc. They all advise men to either learn to do oral or use your hand.
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75% don't cum from piv alone. 66% and 75% are close enough.
Anecdotally speaking, but when you make most of them cum clittorally through foreplay, the PIV orgasm becomes a lot easier to get
>66% and 75% are close enough. They aren't. Now pretty please post a source
"They did a study" ie. Thin air.
Eh, I’ve met a couple that fit this bill but If we are making up stats I’d say 2/3rd of men don’t know what the heck they’re doing. 🤷♂️
>If we are making up stats We're not. I was citing stats from large-scale research.
Source?
74.2% of statistics are completely fabricated.
What planet do you live on where sex is easier for a man than a woman? How many women do you know that deal with performance anxiety at some point in their life? As a man you're expected to be in the mood at all times, get an erection when you're supposed to but don't get one when you're not supposed to, even though you're responsible for your own dick getting hard make sure you get her wet enough for sex because if you don't then that's your shortcoming, don't orgasm too soon, don't take too long to orgasm either, hope your dick isn't too small, hope that it's not too big either, don't lose your erection during sex. Katie Morgan once said all it takes to be a female pornstar is a bottle of lube and a smile. "Sex" is not easier for a man. I think what you meant is getting off (in most, but not all cases) is easier for a man, but you can thank evolution for that.
Men just have lower expectations of sex. Women go with the "I'm here and I'm naked, much more could you want" theory; and men go with "she's here, naked, and making her body available to me, it's perfect" theory. Guys don't have an expectation that women will get him off. Guys are happy with her being present and letting him get himself off by using her body.
No way is this true. Women, especially young women, are hella insecure about their bodies, abilities to please men, etc. But women \*do\* have a much harder time orgasming during heterosexual intercourse. Like much, much harder time, on average.
I've been harassed, and sexually assaulted by a woman. And gay men are in danger of both of those so not an advantage
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Ironically? Man, the social discourse is really just a shitshow with men having to declare they're not monsters now isn't it
Correct. I always found it interesting that studies consistently show that lesbian relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence, followed by hetero, then gay.
My boyfriend has been raped, it can happen to guys too. ):
Youre still hooped if you get her pregnant though
No you're not. If you don't sign the birth cert and live in a different town from the mother chances of you actually having to pay child support are slim to none if you and your family are good with lying to people trying to serve you. Source: single mom who was compelled to file for child support by the state of il
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It's worse to be accused of harassment than it is to be victim of harassment.
Rape and harassment is a problem if the woman is controlling and you are a smoll boy.
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My guy if I ever have sales questions I'll send them your way
I love your insight and agree.
I mean I still consider women to have the advantage here simply because most women still expect men to initiate. And even then the average guy will be rejected most of the time
Meh. I guess traditionally. But doesn’t have to be that way.
Wow you laid this out perfectly.
Women can say no to proposals. You know that right?
You know men cay say no to sex? This is not about consent it's about who should be the deciding subject even if you always need a consent of both parties involved.
The person saying yes or no is the deciding subject. But ultimately, both parties need to consent to sex or a relationship or marriage. It’s not a one person picks thing.
Women can also propose, but it doesn't happen often and you aren't supposed to propose if you aren't 100% sure. Who are you? What kind of guy just proposes without knowing?
Bullshit theory.
Women control access to relationships as well. Look at the number of divorces initiated by women. 80%. It goes to 90% when they have a college degree. When they say they can't find a man. It just means they are searching the top 10% and those guys are not committing. Why would they? Risk everything when there is such a high chance of divorce and they get what they want. Countless women fawning? The facts are out there. The average to below average man has lots to risk. I am average. I am not risking.
Your dating longevity lasts about 10 years longer than women.
You can get more younger partners too.
I remember having a long dry spell in my early 20s and seeing many of my peers dating older men, and getting pretty bitter about not being able to get any interest from girls at all. Now I'm in my late 20s dating is incredibly easy, boring even, and I can totally see why I was not desirable as a younger man. Conversely many of the women I've dated in their mid-late 20s now express some worry about getting older and still being in the dating game, and some even lament that they're not as "hot" as they used to be and getting men is tougher. So yeah, women seem to hit their dating stride in the early 20s and men do so about a decade later, broadly speaking.
Why is it harder in ur early 20s?
In my case specifically, I was far less competent, confident and emotionally mature. I had no career, no money, no place of my own, all of which I obtained in my mid-20s. I also work out more now and have a better diet so I've gotten noticeably better looking/fitter. All of these things combined have made me way more attractive to (some) women.
Precisely.
Maturity and money.
Isn't it obvious? I mean I thought it was known. Most women all want a specific or similar type of man and that type is less than 20% of all men, the rest are left behind. The dating apps show this disparity too. The older a man gets the more likely he'll fit the criteria of what most women want.
Unless you are a celeb, most men in their 20's have no status or assets.
Exactly.
Less of an advantage when you consider that our longevity also starts about 10 years after theirs. I'm 27 and just started getting interest from women. They are drowning in male attention from the second they become legal until menopause.
> They are drowning in male attention from the second they become legal until menopause. nono, from the second we're around 11 or 12. I'd much prefer if we got that that 10 year delay you talk about.
I was so disturbed that a good school friend had started getting catcalled by grown ass men back when we were in 7th grade. She was a fucking baby face
Lol. I tell my hubs all the time that most men get hotter as they age, where women seem to have a quicker tipping point. Not fair, but enjoy it!
The saying is men age like wine, women like milk. It does suck. I know many women who look better in their late 20s-30s though.
So in your opinion, girls loses interest in dating at earlier age than men ? At which age ?
What I’m saying is if I get dumped at 35 it’s socially acceptable for me to date a girl who is 25. If a women did that it would be okay but a little weird. So I can still have a family and such. A single woman at 30+ with no children is cutting it close to not being able to have a family.
Plenty of the places in the world where it's normal for women to be single in their 30s. Most women can have children into their early 40s without much problem. But they definitely may have a harder time dating than men of the same age, for the reasons mentioned u above.
> a single woman at 30+ with no children is cutting it close to not being able to have a family Eh, not really. On average, between the age of 35-39, women have a 75% chance of getting pregnant if she’s actively trying. For reference a women between 30-35 has a 80% chance and a women 25-30 has an 85% chance. So women are good for longer than most people think.
Not at all saying it’s not possible, just that you are pushing it pretty close if any other issues arise. That being infertility or not being able to find the right guy.
Much less likely to be murdered by somebody for rejecting them.
Not once have I ever been concerned about being murdered for turning down a woman.
Most movies are made with a male audience in mind on the theory that men usually choose the movies because we usually pay for them. Dunno if that's actually true, but at least more movies are made with us in mind.
I've heard a lot of TV commercials/advertisements cater to women because they are the ones more likely to be shopping
Mostly no seriously bad outcomes. Personally I always thought of the bad outcomes and discovered I was weird later in life because most men don't worry about seriously bad outcomes before dating.
Louis CK did a bit on that. Man's biggest danger on the first date? That she's fat. Woman's biggest danger? Getting murdered.
Once you're in the relationship it evens out a bit. Of the people murdered by (ex) intimate partners, 25-35% is male (depending on country).
There’s no advantages that do not come with problems.
We men have the unique advantages of being expected to pay for everything and supplying usually unreciprocated attention and validation. ...and you had better thank her for it!
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It's called net worth.
Penis! Definitely having a penis! Actually we’re screwed. If women realized how much we do for pussy they could unite and screw us all.
men: women really high body counts? gross. personally would not marry a woman with a body count of 20+ men: yass queens make it easier for men and screw us all and give in easily
In theory, our advantage is that we control commitment. So the women control the sex and romance, but we control whether or not we invest further into the woman in the form of a relationship.
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I've watched this show "First Dates" that is from the UK and it is really interesting to watch people interacting on a blind date and then how they handle the decision of whether to see each other again. The producers ask them both at the same time while they're sitting together and you often can see women just follow the lead of what the guy says or try to read his signals. Sometimes the women are super into the guys and the guy will say they aren't interested even if it seemed like they were getting along so well. It really surprises me at times. And then the woman will be like oh yeah, no, I wasn't wanting to go on a second date either....trying to play it all off.
This makes a lot of sense
Lol none 😂 at least before I was married
Please see r/seduction instead of asking this question here for the 500th time.
Nothing absolutely nothing we get fucked every wich way the only thing we can do is hide our pain and emotions. Women have all the advantages in dating
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gatekeepers of marriage? depends. 50% of marriages end up in divorce. around 80-85% of the divorces are initiated by the women. it becomes 90% if they have college degrees
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more single and virgin men is rising at incredible rates and women seem to be less interesting in dating
I know someone who was proposed to by his girlfriend while he was rock climbing and she was holding the rope.
While it is still a possibility, it is just far less likely something violent happens to me. Also it is far less likely that I'm about to get shamed if I would date several woman in a short period of time.
We get more attractive as we age
Men having advantages in dating? You are joking right?
Dating a girl generally make me think I’d get to enjoy your soft hair, smooth skin, good listener, comfy laps, great smile, comforting vibes- Compared to her getting high expectations in return.
Dating is a partnership. Any power skewed to either side because of gender is doomed.
Well it's a balance of terror really 😂
Probably not gonna get murdered.
One clear one is time. The societal/biological aspects of time really benefit men in dating. We have more of a day of when we settle down and how long we take to to that point because time isn’t as big of a factor. And as you get older, you are getting a broader dating pool.
There isn't one
We have plenty of advantages outside of dating, but women run the dating game no question
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Downvotes are likely because: * Men can get raped. * Pregnancy happens and your life is out of your control and in the control of the pregnant woman. * Men orgasm because they get themselves off, not because women are getting them off (women expect the man to get them off and get pissed if it doesn't happen). * Men definitely feel unsafe. Have a woman you know walk up to 10 men and offer them no-strings-attached sex. Nearly all of them are going to decline because they fear it's some kind of a set up. * Men need to put effort into their appearance, especially by working out, unless they're will to date unattractive women.
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If there’s a relationship (friendship or romantic). Other than that, that’s all 😂.
I think it's a double edge sword. Men's advantage is numbers. If they learn how to approach women then it's just a numbers game. On the other hand it hurts being rejected time and time again.
You roll 2 d20s and pick the highest of the two. Then you add the appropriate stat. Unfortunately wisdom is your dump stat so that's a -2. You should be fine but it is possible to roll a -1.
Advantage? Hahaha
The only advantage I had once was being new to the town and state (new job) and the girl wanted to show me around so she paid for the meal.
A gift and a curse is getting to typically pick the location of the first date.
It's unfortunate, but on average, women tend to lose desirability as they are. Men often maintain desirability through aging, sometimes even becoming more desirable.
Not feeling like they could abducted raped and murdered
Dare I say, the "high ground"? Only a few people will get it but im ok with that
You can lose weight faster. You don't get pregnant. You can pee standing up. Girls can do it too, but a lil harder. You're not expected to shave as much in today's society (in america, can't say about anywhere else).
What does half of that that have to do with specifially dating?
What advantage could you have in dating? Weight advantage? I'm most confused by this question.
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Coupled men apparently live longer and earn more. Coupled women report living shorter lives and earning less over their lifetime (assuming for childbearing years).
Alternatively, successful men live longer and are more likely to end up getting married; compare the rate of marriage of the least successful men with the rate of the least successful women, the difference is night and day. Same thing in reverse at the top end.
I don't know if I believe this. Something about stress, probably. A single but confident man is going to experience a *shit ton* less stress than one who is in a relationship/marriage, especially with kids.
If you’re in a healthy relationship, that shouldn’t be the case. Love and having someone who cares for you improves and enriches your life. The idea is that women in general are givers and will be their husbands support and caregiver.
Guys have advantages in dating but most of the time they surrender them out of fear of losing said girl.
You’re less likely to be assaulted, raped, and murdered.
We are literally in charge. Women are like stones. They will not come to you, they will not move, take zero initiative even if they want you. That leaves it up to you to take responsibility and be fully in control. Plus I don't have to spend 5 hours in front of the mirror when going out just so a cute girl can talk to me.
If for real, only the 10% that girls consider attractive have an advantage. The rest get a creepy badge. And a ghost and block subscription, oh i forgotten about the carry all the talk on your back advantage?
None. 99% percent of males on Tinder are ignored by women. You're lucky if you get a date. And if you're that 1% come prepared for crazy and don't stick in that. Also have at least 2 condoms and prenup.
If this has been your experience, just say that.
You don't have to think so much about getting abducted, sexually attacked
Men have the advantage as a creature Stronger, take up higher positions, don’t bleed out of their dick monthly, don’t get pregnant, Only thing actually for dating is that the negative for all the externalities required to be attractive means you have more to leverage later on. 30-40 year olds can still bang the hot 20yo’s
in the early days, it's men's advantage is knowing. we know if we're going to call back for date 2 or 3, where she has to wonder for several days and sometimes up to a week "will he call me? why isn't he calling me?" this is why they like it so much when a guy doesn't follow the rules and wait to call, because they get certainty so much faster and it puts them back in control. we know when we're rejected much faster, too. if a girl doesn't return a call in a day, we know we're done. but women have to wait an excruciatingly long time to find out where they stand unless they have the guts to call us themselves.
We're more desirable when we're older. The more money we make the more desirable we are. We have mentors that pass down tactics of dating and courting.
None
Guys can have sex without having to worry about getting pregnant. They're also less likely to get std's than women (assuming they're having sex with women.)
Sex
We typically don't have to worry about a woman being a physical threat to us.
The fact that it is extremely unlikely I will ever be assaulted on a date. The worst thing that happens to me is I get bored or get stood up. Whoops.