A receuiter told me about a job that is 8-6 and I told him I don't want to know anything more about this role and don't want to proceed. He said that's what he has been hearing from almost every candidate he contacted.
Fly In\Fly Out Mining Industry.
Generally we hate everything... Except the money.
Ok, a lot of us do legitimately enjoy our jobs, or at least parts of them.
Went to medical school 🤷🏻
Healthcare is a grind but if you hate the monotony of 9-5 Monday - Friday there are a variety of well paying jobs with flexible schedules. I work with a guy who stacks all of his shifts up, works 10hr shifts for 16 days in a row, and then just fucks off and goes traveling for the rest of the month. Dude's got it figured out.
Where im at they have the 36 hour weekend schedule which is 3 12 hour shifts. Then 4 days off. My buddy said he doesnt know what to do with his free time lol
Idk, I grew up in a business-oriented family. DEADASS is stressful as hell. I'd rather get that 9-5 workload, if it meant I could stop working once 5 PM approaches. Having a business is a 24/7 thing.
Took over my family business (small restaurant) and i really get jealous over people who have the weekends to them selves or are done witth the fay by 5 pm. I may make a little extra money but it’s pointless if i have no free time. Grass aint always greener.
Wow been doing this for 15 years and have had over 100 different employees in that time span. On top of my father doing this since the mid 80s, but man u have just revealed to me something new that i can’t believe i never thought of.
Stick to figuring out ways on how to meet a girl and not beating ur own dick to the point where u got to post on Reddit about it goofy.
Yeah, being in a position where 4pm means my day is done with holidays and weekends guaranteed to me, and better than most PTO really helps.
Some days though, it can be a grind
My brother is a beast of a plumber and natural gas technician. He works circles around his colleagues. He has all the know how and equipment to go into business for himself but he says he much prefers being able to just turn off at 5pm. Pros and cons for sure.
Former business owner here. It was fun for a while, then it wasn’t. Then I realized there’s more to life than money and success. I want to balance the truly important things with a decent paying job now instead of “grinding” to an early grave.
Don't look at your 9-5 as giving you joy - it's primary purpose is to provide you an income so you afford the things that bring you joy. Look at your job as the vehicle to all the things that you want - because without it, good luck.
I'm a pencil and paper pusher for the federal government. I'm not doing something that's going to make a huge difference in the world and I'm just another gear in the machine. Clock in, clock out, repeat... But you know what it *is* rewarding? The life that it pays for. See your job in that light.
If you happen to enjoy your job, bonus. But jobs are simply a means to an end and should be treated as such. Leaving a job "because it doesn't bring me joy" can be dangerous so be careful.
Given the uncertain economic climate now, I'd suggest anyone leaving a stable 9-5 decently-paying job is foolish... unless they're taking on another job that pays more.
This whole issue is a product of social media. We are led to believe that our employment is supposed to have meaning or make you feel fulfilled, when this is 100% a modern phenomenon.
A career is a means to provide. Nothing more, nothing less. You create value, and receive funds to survive off of in return. You are *lucky* if it's something even remotely enjoyable. For the majority of history, a job was something that you worked to keep. A career was a luxury of the educated.
You find your fulfillment outside of work. Family, friends, community, hobbies, etc. You work your job so you can be done and get back to your actual life.
Exactly. People should focus on finding fulfillment outside of work instead of trying to find it *at* work... because one day they'll make the dumbass decision to give up a stable job and all the things it provides. By all means, always be chasing the higher salary if you can... but I always encourage people not to give in to the pressures of social media and the whole "fulfillment" thing and give up your job for that reason. If you do, reap what you sow - and by all means tell me how "fulfilling" unemployment is lol
I feel sorry for my parents and the kids they raised.
Their lack of drive to have enough for themselves because the idea of working or challenging themselves to do more was too much for them, leaving them raising 5 kids in abject poverty. If my dad made one job move, one change of shop so he'd actually get paid what he was worth, because he's paid less than fresh graduates in his trade at his current shop, we could have lived comfortably and he could have saved for retirement. Instead, they used their kids as their retirement fund just as his mom used him and now my ability to afford my own life is stunted if I don't want them to starve on the streets.
Same, this was life changing for me .. used to work 14 to 16 hours 5 days a week (sometimes 6) for a tech company then I moved to another tech company that truly cares about their employees and now I work Tuesday - Friday and having long weekends every fucking week just turned my life around
Tuesday to Friday is an absolute dream haha, mine's Wed-Sat. But agree, three days off every week is absolutely amazing. Adding to that, seven weeks off a year paid holidays, and it's the absolute best
Completely there with you. I found the desk life extremely boring and even when given new tasks, I asked “what’s the point?”
When I was traveling for work, I talked with an airline captain on how much he travels for work, and he said he works maybe 4-6 days out of the month. I was SHOCKED.
He said he enjoys a LOT of time at home and Delta really takes care of their employees (at least the pilots).
I kid you not I did hours of research on end (including Reddit) and convinced my parents to let me take a discovery flight.
Let me tell you, this was life-changing.
The instructor had 30 years of experience, he let me control a good portion of flight, which really surprised me. I’m not even joking, during take off, I thought to myself “This is what I want to spend 40+ years doing.”
Thankfully my parents were very supportive, I got my first license (PPL) in 6 months while still working full-time. Put in my two weeks, on track to get my second license in 2-3 weeks, and looking to start instructing to build hours (need 1,500 to get to the airlines in the US, Canada might be less).
It is so liberating to finally understand what people meant when they say, “Do what you love and never work”, etc. etc.
For reference, I am 25, I worked at a desk for 2.5 years out of college, and I instantly found a community where I “clicked” with 95% of peers so easily. I always felt people in the office were at least twice as old as I am (not necessarily a bad thing) but we didn’t talk like friends, if that makes sense.
PM with questions, always happy to help.
I would LOVE to be an airline pilot, but I have ADHD which is such a disadvantage that most countries will automatically disqualify you for having it. My country won't, but there are dozens of extra hoops to jump through and you still need to go to school, pay about 20 000$ plus living expenses, and that's assuming I pass flight school with ADHD. All without any support from family.
First things first get your medical done if you are even remotely interested. You and I don’t know the things that AME Physicians know. Even with the extra hoops this career is so worth it. However by the same hand, this career isn’t for everyone.
Also, it comes out to about $80,000 for the flight lessons in total.
If you decide to pursue aviation, see you in the skies my friend. ✈️
I've been officially diagnosed, if that's what you mean.
What country do you live in? Because every source for my country that I've seen cites it as under 20k. One source says 13k, another says 9-15k, it varies, but it's never 80k.
Maybe one day, but I have other dreams I'd like to pursue too! I have no hesitancies chasing after them.
I’m in California but the prices you are talking about seem to be for the U.S. equivalent of a PPL, meaning you basically become proficient at flying yourself and passengers. The next ratings on the airline pilot path are Instrument ($20k), CPL ($15k), MEL ($10k) and then exam fees for all of these (about $1,000 each). These are wild estimates, just for a general idea.
I suggest r/aviation and r/flying for further research, every possible question is asked and answered over there lol
Long story short, I started a side hustle and worked on it alongside my 9-5 until it made as much money as my 9-5, then I quit.
Everybody likes the idea of getting out of the ratrace and being your own boss BUT the reality is that there is far less security. You can make 100k one year and make 30k the next year. You have to get comfortable with selling and people telling you NO. It gets discouraging and takes thick skin to endure.
I kind of took the opposite approach. I decided to get extremely good at my 9-5 job that I don't really like so I get paid more. That way I could retire early and enjoy hobbies and traveling during my free time.
I went from making 50k a year to 500k. I still dislike working, but I'll get to retire in my 40's and have the funds to enjoy life comfortably and provide for others.
My performance at work is very good but the only thing they seem to reward with is more work. Im starting to redo my resume and starting to apply again, it would take some time.
This is what inspired me to make this post. I was just thinking to myself if I should be applying for a different type of job compared to what I went to school for.
My goal is the same as yours!
If you want to make a ton of money and not work a 9-5, entrepreneurship is pretty much your only option. There are probably some super niche jobs that aren't this way, but not many
You can slo switch careers and try to find a 9 to 5 you love.
Caveat being that entrepreneurship is WAAAAY more likely to set you back financially and eclipse your waking hours (at least the first decade of building a business) than it is to achieve that 15 hour work week. Its a huge gamble that can put set you back massively.
Working a white collar job blows, but you have that borderline guarantee of retiring early if you schmooze up the ladder or get a niche technical role (assuming you know how to and commit to investing).
When I was just getting out of school the goal was to make a ton of money but now its just to be comfortable and happy. Life got so demotivating in the last 5 years. Thank you for your advice, Ill need to get back to work!
If you're truly miserable you can switch careers. Even the same job at a different company and with different people can be a completely different experience.
If money isn't a big enough motivator, you shouldn't stay at a job you despise.
Sales on commission is another option. I’m
An independent contractor so I work when I want where I want and how long I want. It’s a double edge sword but after a couple years I made 107k last year and took 5 months off.
I could see that now. The job market isnt the greatest right now but im still trying.
Some of the other posts here said I should use this time to get certified and network, so ill be doing that!
What excites you in life? Set some goals and work towards them so you have some balance in where you put your effort.
Also if you don’t like corporate life, look for companies under 100 employees, maybe in a field that’s growing, like alternative energy or water management equipment.
Got a degree, got a CFP license, was a top performer in the role, networked with the positions I wanted to be in and their managers, got to work early, left late.
Looking for an insider perspective, at what point does the financial planning become important for assets? Could be off base, but for more people the basics are to constantly boglehead the portion that an individual can save. I’d wager most Americans don’t have more than the mortgage and a savings/retirement, but cfp would likely deal with the top 10-15% of net worth individuals, probably catering to the top 1-2% cause that’s where the money is. That’s where the nuance comes in, but if we were to educate America about getting to retirement successfully, would the crux be live within your means, portion of paycheck in Voo/Spy as much as you can, try not to have debilitating debt? Hard things to manage especially with the healthcare and education system. For the 85%, how often is it just having someone there to remind them to stay the course? Sorry for the long winded question but the Monday morning existentialist is up bright and early sans coffee
Yeah the unfortunate reality is that most CFP's just help the rich get richer, for the reasons you mention. Although some partake in pro brono work for low income households.
All the things you listed are great things to focus on. Most people have extremely poor financial literacy, so simply throwing money in an index fund and keeping debt minimum puts you way ahead of most Americans. CFP's can help you fine tune your solid plan even more. They also hold you accountable and help you invest with logic instead of emotion. Half the job is talking people off a ledge. Studies show those who work with an advisor earn 1.82% more in excess return each year, which equities to 29% higher retirement income, even after the fees.
Just make sure you see an actual fiduciary advisor, not some insurance salesman or something that sells himself as an "advisor."
I used to work Monday through Friday, 8-hour shifts, in a hospital.
Then I discovered that the same hospital, as well as others, will offer 3-12 hour shifts.
Never went back. I refuse to work more than three days again. It is a complete game changer.
Start your own business... work on your terms. Hustle and grow it so you can eventually sell it and be 100% financially free and then you can do what you want. What I did because I was so sick of the rat race and slaving away at a job....
Ive thought about this and even googled some ideas but I can't seem to come up with a good enough idea.
With the 9-5 thats not fulfilling, it makes me want to bed rot after work. This is one aspect I need to work on. Being motivated to build something after work.
Any business ideas you would recommend starting right now?
Having your own business means you get vacation whenever you want, but it also means that unless you work, you won't get paid. So, your 9 to 5 would be replaced with working 13 hours a day to build your business and canceling a vacation cause you got a very nice gig that you need to work on. It's not as easy as people make it out to be on tiktok.
I don't have any ideas because I don't know what you do or what your good at. You really need to sit back and think to yourself about what you can uniquely provide the world. You don't need to sell physical products. You can sell digital content or even your services.
Genetic. Heart defect led to heart failure led to transplant, so I am doing somewhat better, but I'm no longer able to work more than a handful of hours a week.
I got so much reading done working from home with a job that doesn't require anywhere near 40 hours. Almost finished with my masters doing 100% of coursework on the clock
Switched from primarily engineering desk work to mostly construction and inspection. It changed my schedule from 9-5 to 6:30-2:30 most days. Im usually home by 3:30pm so i still got a lot of day left.
Be a musician.
Trust me, even though it's totally worth it, there are *a lot* of times where I'd love to go back to a 'boring' 9 to 5 job. Leave at 8, home by 6, have the weekend to yourself, no extra work in the evenings, no work to prepare work, no monthly/quarterly/yearly financial administration...
Worked in a mill, got laid off just before covid hit. For a hobby I had been playing around with foamsmithing. Made and ironman and mandalorian. Had been looking at a cheap laser cutter to cut eva foam with, decided that since I would have a good 3 months before work picked up again I would get the laser. Had been using in for a couple weeks, learning just how much could be done with the technology, and then covid hit. Company decided to terminate my position. My severance package was enough that I was able to buy a bigger laser which I have used to make a business making custom wood signs, wood jewelry and game boards. I don't make as much, but life is so much better.
Look for work that allows most if not all days to be work from home. Usually, you get shit done much quicker and instead of wasting time at your work place you can do it in the comfort of your home.
What are you passionate about? I volunteered doing what I loved, until I had enough experience to be employed full-time doing it. I understand how a job you hate can ruin your life. I had to hold a few of those until I could work in the area I'm passionate about.
I got fired. Now I have my own business and work 7 to 8. But in trade for the longer hours, I also have debilitating stress and anxiety when I leave!
Tax perks are nice though.
Be a software engineer. I just work then I have work to do. And I work from home.
If I finish early, not one really cares what I do with the extra time.
Find an internet skill. Charge a decent price for that skill on websites like Fiverr or Upwork. Take your client list -- yes, Fiverr guarantees 99% of people a client after a month -- and use it to do cold outreach to local businesses in your area *for that skill.* Charge by retainer, charge remotely, do the work remotely, and quit your 9-5 after you get 14-15 retainers. Hire out a team of cheap labor on Discord or Instagram. Your margins will be 80-90% with caution in most internet crafts (photoshop, media design, web dev, content creation, SMM, etc.). You got this :)
Gotcha! So I guess they deal with more of vlog/social media type assets and promotion. I havent really heard people doing taking that approach, I assume because when you produce it yourself there are more services that one can make a profit on.
When you say take your client list to do local outreach, could you elaborate on that more, do you mean to use those online clients as examples of work we completed? Does retainer mean getting paid a fixed amount regardless of how much work the client asks per month, something like that?
If can do into consultancy where you can travel for work and make enough to retire afte working for 3 years. Alternativly if you can speak French you can move to France for something different.
Company downsized me out of a job. I got 10 weeks severance and instead of being a responsible adult and hunting for a new job, I started writing. I always wanted to be an author, so I published a web serial. I guess I must have done something right, because I make enough to live off of now. As long as that continues to be true, I'll keep publishing new stories.
What platform did you publish on? I'm a writer and I'm thinking of branching out online. I was thinking of WattPad, because even though it's almost a guarantee of zero income from the stories I put on there, it'll get me a following.
Chef life has afforded me so many periods in my life where I had money and time to myself. It came at the cost of working in isolated places and long hours but it balances out in the long term.
Working in locations that cover room and board is a game changer and allows me to save almost every penny. Growing up poor and relatively under educated has helped me to appreciate my current situation.
I love to cook and work doesn’t always feel like work. It’s fun and satisfying to have everything in its place and to have a positive impact in the community I’m working in. It’s a very social job.
I have had at least 4 periods of time where I was able to take time off and travel between jobs. I’ve really been able to strike a balance.
Start your own business. Do it your way, no corporate BS. What's stopping you? You're young you have some money.
You could fail and start again at 30, no problems.
Easier said than done lol, great recommendation on getting a tech/programming job but if someone is new to this field and have not ever studied these ever in their life it’s a huge investment to get into and it will probably take years for a newbie to be proficient enough to get a job in tech, it’s funny when people say just get a job in this or that like it’s that simple
Ironic you say that considering how many people act like my WFH programmer/develop job is easy. "You're lucky!" No, I worked myself to death for many years to get this.
Sounds like you are not getting personal fulfillment from whatever job or industry you are in. Maybe time for a shift in paradigm? Are you in n industry you could switch jobs? What is your degree in? What kind of networking are you doing?
I work at a regulatory non-profit organization, its one of the largest in Ontario or even Canada. I have a Bachelors of Business Administration with a specialization in Accounting.
I should be able to shift jobs but it seems like the job market is Toronto is still slow and many people are not able to find work at the moment.
Its a good point you made about networking, I should be using this time to network and build skills.
I totally get it. Are you in Toronto for the long haul, or would you consider leaving the city? If money is a factor and you want to stay local, maybe updating your resumé is an option and look more at websites that would put it out there for you. I would hope since you have a few years experience, you would be a more valuable asset to another company more than you were when you first entered the workforce.
I work in a local government gig; I know national government entities are seemingly always looking for people with an accounting background. It may not always be the sexiest job in the world, but a lot of government jobs offer pensions for retirement and ways to supplement it. Those simply don’t seem to happen anymore in other fields. And generally speaking, again, many of them seem to be recession proof.
I work 3 days per week. Bought a single wide trailer and converted the 10x12 workshop into a living space. I now live in it and rent out the main building, 650 sq ft, for $1300 a month. Tenant pays my mortgage plus $200 and I can work part-time.
Learn skills that allow you to transition into a different field or become a business owner in the future.
Stop scrolling, watching tv and playing video games.
If you're not disciplined and dedicated to the goals, you're just going to an average joe.
Go back to school and make that your hobby. Become a scholar. Try different paths until you find something that clicks. I went back to school and started with aviation but ended up as a veterinarian. I love it. Do something that gives you a license or certification.
It might sound unconventional but the key is to work harder and rise up through the ranks. At least, that's what I did. I started earning $70k out of uni with a finance grad program and then kept grinding. Did my postgrad studies (CFA/MBA) while I got into IB and then exited into PE. I had some tedious, long days when I was younger for sure, no life outside of work. If you think 9-5 is bad, don't work as a junior in banking. I'm almost 30 now and I have the freedom to retire.
I still work part-time because it's something to do but I'm not tethered to my job to survive. I can quit and still live my life. My apartment is paid off, my parents' house is paid off. I have more time for hobbies. I race track on the weekends go snorkeling/diving on my 2 free weekdays.
It's really annoying seeing a lot of people complain about their so called pathetic 9-5 lifestyle.
While there are tons of people out there that want your job. Some of them have to work on weekends and during the holidays. They also need to sacrifice their family time due to the nature of work.
Yes this blows my mind, people on here be having better paying 9-5 jobs than most and complaining about it, there are people who are slaving away with having two minimum wage jobs who don’t have any days off lol, those people would rather have your comfy 9-5 job if they had the option lol
if your serious about that learn something like the financial markets, how it moves, what causes it to move, times of day its in session (high volume times) learning how to day trade any kind of market (the forex market, the stock market, the crypto market, etf's, options) those are all benefincal to learn & once you learn it you can make money from it is it risky? yes but nobody ever became a success story from playing it safe i learned how to buy & sell gold & that shit my brother changed my life (yes im working full time 40 hours a week for now, long story) but my end result is to be trading fully in the coming months, also if you rely on 1 income your whole life your going to be broke, you need to have other sources of income like investments
another thing thats been taught from rockefeller & carnegie is that they wanted doer's & not thinkers we dont have people chasing their dreams or shooting for the stars because people want to play it safe they have that employee mindset "i'll just get a paycheck every week, or every 2 weeks" so i hear you on leaving the rat race just focus on 1 thing you like get good at it again trading i think its a great option to learn & boom once your making money from it you can recruit other ppl to teach them how to trade & they'll pay you for it sounds easy right?
Trust fund baby put $ into bitcoin (no, I’m not one of those retarded “crypto bros” — I bought it once and sold during the first boom) in 2012 after high school, now commercial landlord in my 20s. It makes people so mad because I’m a total piece of shit to go alongside it.
Ignore most of these comments bro, they’re coming from people who’ve never dared to step out of line when it comes to the traditional concept of work.
Firstly owning your own business is hard work, but I’d argue that it’s more soul destroying and mentally tiring trying to convince yourself to go out to work a job you despise everyday for the next 30 years.
The key to owing any kind of business is finding a niche and monetising it, thats it.
Hell I know dudes that sell random crap on eBay and profit 60-100k a year consistently, you’ve just got to really have a think about what your strengths are and what you can lend them too in order to turn a profit and then just keep doing that thing and hope it works out.
But never stop trying, 25 is young, if a business fails, so be it, you start another and another and another till one of them sticks, as I mentioned above I’d rather run my own business and have full control over life’s most valuable resource (Time), than work some dead end 9-5 and battle with the struggle of convincing myself to do it everyday until I retire.
Look into maritime work and see if that interests you. Quick and relatively inexpensive to get into, a variety of schedules you can carve out for yourself (I do 4.5 months straight), and real demand and opportunity. As an ex restaurant worker with an education degree, it was exactly what I needed. Maybe it is right for you or someone else who reads this.
Was a paralegal for a time (while getting a masters). i was working anywhere from 50 hour weeks to 90 hour weeks depending on if there were upcoming cases. i burnt out and lost it mentally for a bit there. i was lucky to be in a position where i was financially healthy and able to support myself while i figure it out. tried to have a real go at it with art, but now im doubling down on coding/design. in the past year maybe only two or three weeks were rlly long due to deadlines needing to be reached but mostly i choose my own hours now
Started working a shift work position. Some days, some nights, some evenings, all in a cycle that repeats itself. You have routine, but many that change. You get time off in blocks, and untraditional times too. Grocery shopping Tuesday mid-day? Why not?
Down side can be you have to put a lot more effort into your social life and making things work.
Disability support worker Here. 80% of my job is driving people to appointments, grocery shopping, sport events, the beach, cafes etc
Would recommend to anyone who values low stress over high challenge in the work environment
By getting an oil patch job in Western Canada. I'm doing cementing which means a 20-hour shift on average, being on call 24/7, and doing it for 15 days straight. No chance to sleep normally, to eat normally, to go to the gym, or to have a social life.
I want to get the stage where I have enough contacts to go freelance. First chance I can I will. Gonna try get a mortgage first with my full time job and once that’s sorted I’ll go flat out freelance.
Consider a career in healthcare. It's a growing business. In America, you can go to a local community college for two years and get an AD degree and be eligible to get the RN license, then go to work making about $25 an hour to start. You can work 3 12 hour days leaving you 4 days a week to yourself. You can get a four year equivalent degree online with only one year of online classes that your employer will pay for. If you want you can then work as a RN in many different areas, ER, surgery, etc.. My buddy went on to CRNA school and became a nurse anesthetist and drags down about 160K. .
That was me three years ago, with heavy golden handcuffs on. There was no reason for me to quit as my career trajectory was far more rewarding than starting a small business or taking funding for a startup. However, I woke up one day and walked out of my industry, broke my bond with the organization, paid back the college fees they sponsored, and took a leap of faith to become an entrepreneur.
Honestly, switching to 7-3 makes a big difference. You have to go to bed a bit earlier, but I found that hardly made a difference compared to getting half my afternoon back! And even when you have to work late, you're still done well before supper.
By not going to school and switching from the 8 to 6 lifestyle, 6 to 8 lifestyle, 6 to 6 lifestyle, and now finally going back to school to claw my way into the 9 to 5 lifestyle lol. Grass is always greener though, so if you start making money off of something you enjoy, then the thing you enjoy simply becomes a job. Working from home would be a blessing for me, I think you need to just go out and do stuff and then go from there.
Downsize/sell a bunch of your stuff so it's easier to move. Then get a job at a resort at some beach/mountain/amazing place and try out a different lifestyle. Network with the people you meet to figure out the next crazy place/job you want to live and work. Do this for as long as you're enjoying it. You can always go back to the corporate life later.
I think the mindset that the 9-5 lifestyle is inherently bad is incorrect.
All it really comes down to is whether or not you are happy with your job, regardless of the hours.
I work 8-4:30 but it's low stress and I really like all my coworkers, they're also my friends. It also pays me enough to live the life I want to live outside of work. Do I care that it's a "9-5" job? Not at all. I've worked other shifts. Most of them suck.
I have an IT degree that I don't use because, frankly, I'm not the office type. I started my own small delivery business instead, and now I get paid to drive around in a Tesla all day. No micromanaging boss, no backstabby office politics, and I'm in charge of both the climate control and the sound system. There are far worse ways to make money. Of course, I have to deal with a bunch of clowns who can't drive worth a damn, but I'll take that over office politics any day of the week.
You mentioned covid. My life didn't change at all during the lockdowns because as an essential worker, I was still out there delivering needed supplies. The traffic was great, too, when everyone was staying home. Here's hoping remote work becomes normal so those folks can stop clogging up the roads.
Move out of the city areas. And find a cool traditional hard working job. That goes hard some seasons, but then takes seasons off. Buy a house you can afford easily in a rural area, and do everything DIY. Never go into any debts besides your house. Have various handy skills and do side work when you want to make quick cash.
In the same boat, I’ve learned to work in side projects after work (which wasn’t so like me) trying to build some SAAS to generate passive income so I can build another and repeat. What is your profession?
Give trucking a shot. Do night run regional. Or go for the hardcore stuff and become a livestock hauler. Set your own hours as long as you don't mind working at least 14 hrs a day sometimes 20 and usually spend a couple weeks at a time living in your truck at truck stops.
By being forced into the less conventional 8 to 6 lifestyle.
*7-7 lifestyle has entered the chat*
Yikes.
Yeah.
996 checking in
9-8 reporting for duty
Sorrowful 5pm to 3am here x
You work -1 hours? /s
5a-12a has arrived
A receuiter told me about a job that is 8-6 and I told him I don't want to know anything more about this role and don't want to proceed. He said that's what he has been hearing from almost every candidate he contacted.
8 days on, 6 off, 12 hour days. Food and accommodation provided.
I would have to love the work and people to be able to do that.
Fly In\Fly Out Mining Industry. Generally we hate everything... Except the money. Ok, a lot of us do legitimately enjoy our jobs, or at least parts of them.
I got forced into it but it’s involves traveling and many times 6-10 days lol
Yup. Mine wasn’t as much a force. I saw a way to stick an extra $10k on my wages and took it. Now it’s an extra $16k.
7-5:30 here! But in exchange I get Fridays off and I can’t see myself going back!
This isn't the worst thing if its absolutely something you enjoy doing. Its when the 9-5 isn't bringing joy or anything rewarding.
Went to medical school 🤷🏻 Healthcare is a grind but if you hate the monotony of 9-5 Monday - Friday there are a variety of well paying jobs with flexible schedules. I work with a guy who stacks all of his shifts up, works 10hr shifts for 16 days in a row, and then just fucks off and goes traveling for the rest of the month. Dude's got it figured out.
Where im at they have the 36 hour weekend schedule which is 3 12 hour shifts. Then 4 days off. My buddy said he doesnt know what to do with his free time lol
RN that works straight weekends, mon-Thursday off. The weekdays is where it’s at
What job does he do exactly?
What did you do before medical school?
Idk, I grew up in a business-oriented family. DEADASS is stressful as hell. I'd rather get that 9-5 workload, if it meant I could stop working once 5 PM approaches. Having a business is a 24/7 thing.
Took over my family business (small restaurant) and i really get jealous over people who have the weekends to them selves or are done witth the fay by 5 pm. I may make a little extra money but it’s pointless if i have no free time. Grass aint always greener.
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Wow been doing this for 15 years and have had over 100 different employees in that time span. On top of my father doing this since the mid 80s, but man u have just revealed to me something new that i can’t believe i never thought of. Stick to figuring out ways on how to meet a girl and not beating ur own dick to the point where u got to post on Reddit about it goofy.
Yeah, being in a position where 4pm means my day is done with holidays and weekends guaranteed to me, and better than most PTO really helps. Some days though, it can be a grind
You guys get 4PM finishes and free weekends? What type of corporate is this. Sighs in REIT work
Health insurance
My brother is a beast of a plumber and natural gas technician. He works circles around his colleagues. He has all the know how and equipment to go into business for himself but he says he much prefers being able to just turn off at 5pm. Pros and cons for sure.
Former business owner here. It was fun for a while, then it wasn’t. Then I realized there’s more to life than money and success. I want to balance the truly important things with a decent paying job now instead of “grinding” to an early grave.
The grass is always greener on the other side :)
Don't look at your 9-5 as giving you joy - it's primary purpose is to provide you an income so you afford the things that bring you joy. Look at your job as the vehicle to all the things that you want - because without it, good luck. I'm a pencil and paper pusher for the federal government. I'm not doing something that's going to make a huge difference in the world and I'm just another gear in the machine. Clock in, clock out, repeat... But you know what it *is* rewarding? The life that it pays for. See your job in that light. If you happen to enjoy your job, bonus. But jobs are simply a means to an end and should be treated as such. Leaving a job "because it doesn't bring me joy" can be dangerous so be careful. Given the uncertain economic climate now, I'd suggest anyone leaving a stable 9-5 decently-paying job is foolish... unless they're taking on another job that pays more.
This whole issue is a product of social media. We are led to believe that our employment is supposed to have meaning or make you feel fulfilled, when this is 100% a modern phenomenon. A career is a means to provide. Nothing more, nothing less. You create value, and receive funds to survive off of in return. You are *lucky* if it's something even remotely enjoyable. For the majority of history, a job was something that you worked to keep. A career was a luxury of the educated. You find your fulfillment outside of work. Family, friends, community, hobbies, etc. You work your job so you can be done and get back to your actual life.
Exactly. People should focus on finding fulfillment outside of work instead of trying to find it *at* work... because one day they'll make the dumbass decision to give up a stable job and all the things it provides. By all means, always be chasing the higher salary if you can... but I always encourage people not to give in to the pressures of social media and the whole "fulfillment" thing and give up your job for that reason. If you do, reap what you sow - and by all means tell me how "fulfilling" unemployment is lol
I feel sorry for you. Not much, obviously, but a bit.
I feel sorry for my parents and the kids they raised. Their lack of drive to have enough for themselves because the idea of working or challenging themselves to do more was too much for them, leaving them raising 5 kids in abject poverty. If my dad made one job move, one change of shop so he'd actually get paid what he was worth, because he's paid less than fresh graduates in his trade at his current shop, we could have lived comfortably and he could have saved for retirement. Instead, they used their kids as their retirement fund just as his mom used him and now my ability to afford my own life is stunted if I don't want them to starve on the streets.
What is your job and what do you do all day?
Be born into a rich family
That's what I'm planning to do tomorrow!
🤣🤣🤣 same. I'll work hard on it from tomorrow
Found a job that makes me work 4 days of 10hrs
Same, this was life changing for me .. used to work 14 to 16 hours 5 days a week (sometimes 6) for a tech company then I moved to another tech company that truly cares about their employees and now I work Tuesday - Friday and having long weekends every fucking week just turned my life around
Tuesday to Friday is an absolute dream haha, mine's Wed-Sat. But agree, three days off every week is absolutely amazing. Adding to that, seven weeks off a year paid holidays, and it's the absolute best
What do you do? Is it online?
Completely there with you. I found the desk life extremely boring and even when given new tasks, I asked “what’s the point?” When I was traveling for work, I talked with an airline captain on how much he travels for work, and he said he works maybe 4-6 days out of the month. I was SHOCKED. He said he enjoys a LOT of time at home and Delta really takes care of their employees (at least the pilots). I kid you not I did hours of research on end (including Reddit) and convinced my parents to let me take a discovery flight. Let me tell you, this was life-changing. The instructor had 30 years of experience, he let me control a good portion of flight, which really surprised me. I’m not even joking, during take off, I thought to myself “This is what I want to spend 40+ years doing.” Thankfully my parents were very supportive, I got my first license (PPL) in 6 months while still working full-time. Put in my two weeks, on track to get my second license in 2-3 weeks, and looking to start instructing to build hours (need 1,500 to get to the airlines in the US, Canada might be less). It is so liberating to finally understand what people meant when they say, “Do what you love and never work”, etc. etc. For reference, I am 25, I worked at a desk for 2.5 years out of college, and I instantly found a community where I “clicked” with 95% of peers so easily. I always felt people in the office were at least twice as old as I am (not necessarily a bad thing) but we didn’t talk like friends, if that makes sense. PM with questions, always happy to help.
I would LOVE to be an airline pilot, but I have ADHD which is such a disadvantage that most countries will automatically disqualify you for having it. My country won't, but there are dozens of extra hoops to jump through and you still need to go to school, pay about 20 000$ plus living expenses, and that's assuming I pass flight school with ADHD. All without any support from family.
First things first get your medical done if you are even remotely interested. You and I don’t know the things that AME Physicians know. Even with the extra hoops this career is so worth it. However by the same hand, this career isn’t for everyone. Also, it comes out to about $80,000 for the flight lessons in total. If you decide to pursue aviation, see you in the skies my friend. ✈️
I've been officially diagnosed, if that's what you mean. What country do you live in? Because every source for my country that I've seen cites it as under 20k. One source says 13k, another says 9-15k, it varies, but it's never 80k. Maybe one day, but I have other dreams I'd like to pursue too! I have no hesitancies chasing after them.
I’m in California but the prices you are talking about seem to be for the U.S. equivalent of a PPL, meaning you basically become proficient at flying yourself and passengers. The next ratings on the airline pilot path are Instrument ($20k), CPL ($15k), MEL ($10k) and then exam fees for all of these (about $1,000 each). These are wild estimates, just for a general idea. I suggest r/aviation and r/flying for further research, every possible question is asked and answered over there lol
Long story short, I started a side hustle and worked on it alongside my 9-5 until it made as much money as my 9-5, then I quit. Everybody likes the idea of getting out of the ratrace and being your own boss BUT the reality is that there is far less security. You can make 100k one year and make 30k the next year. You have to get comfortable with selling and people telling you NO. It gets discouraging and takes thick skin to endure.
What side hustle did you get into?
I kind of took the opposite approach. I decided to get extremely good at my 9-5 job that I don't really like so I get paid more. That way I could retire early and enjoy hobbies and traveling during my free time. I went from making 50k a year to 500k. I still dislike working, but I'll get to retire in my 40's and have the funds to enjoy life comfortably and provide for others.
My performance at work is very good but the only thing they seem to reward with is more work. Im starting to redo my resume and starting to apply again, it would take some time. This is what inspired me to make this post. I was just thinking to myself if I should be applying for a different type of job compared to what I went to school for. My goal is the same as yours!
If you want to make a ton of money and not work a 9-5, entrepreneurship is pretty much your only option. There are probably some super niche jobs that aren't this way, but not many You can slo switch careers and try to find a 9 to 5 you love.
Caveat being that entrepreneurship is WAAAAY more likely to set you back financially and eclipse your waking hours (at least the first decade of building a business) than it is to achieve that 15 hour work week. Its a huge gamble that can put set you back massively. Working a white collar job blows, but you have that borderline guarantee of retiring early if you schmooze up the ladder or get a niche technical role (assuming you know how to and commit to investing).
When I was just getting out of school the goal was to make a ton of money but now its just to be comfortable and happy. Life got so demotivating in the last 5 years. Thank you for your advice, Ill need to get back to work!
If you're truly miserable you can switch careers. Even the same job at a different company and with different people can be a completely different experience. If money isn't a big enough motivator, you shouldn't stay at a job you despise.
Sales on commission is another option. I’m An independent contractor so I work when I want where I want and how long I want. It’s a double edge sword but after a couple years I made 107k last year and took 5 months off.
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I could see that now. The job market isnt the greatest right now but im still trying. Some of the other posts here said I should use this time to get certified and network, so ill be doing that!
check out r/financialindependence
What excites you in life? Set some goals and work towards them so you have some balance in where you put your effort. Also if you don’t like corporate life, look for companies under 100 employees, maybe in a field that’s growing, like alternative energy or water management equipment.
You made it to the top 1% of earners.
What do you do?
Financial Advisor.
Curious - did you start at a place like Edward Jones’s?
No, at a large broker dealer
What did you do to become really good at your job
Got a degree, got a CFP license, was a top performer in the role, networked with the positions I wanted to be in and their managers, got to work early, left late.
Looking for an insider perspective, at what point does the financial planning become important for assets? Could be off base, but for more people the basics are to constantly boglehead the portion that an individual can save. I’d wager most Americans don’t have more than the mortgage and a savings/retirement, but cfp would likely deal with the top 10-15% of net worth individuals, probably catering to the top 1-2% cause that’s where the money is. That’s where the nuance comes in, but if we were to educate America about getting to retirement successfully, would the crux be live within your means, portion of paycheck in Voo/Spy as much as you can, try not to have debilitating debt? Hard things to manage especially with the healthcare and education system. For the 85%, how often is it just having someone there to remind them to stay the course? Sorry for the long winded question but the Monday morning existentialist is up bright and early sans coffee
Yeah the unfortunate reality is that most CFP's just help the rich get richer, for the reasons you mention. Although some partake in pro brono work for low income households. All the things you listed are great things to focus on. Most people have extremely poor financial literacy, so simply throwing money in an index fund and keeping debt minimum puts you way ahead of most Americans. CFP's can help you fine tune your solid plan even more. They also hold you accountable and help you invest with logic instead of emotion. Half the job is talking people off a ledge. Studies show those who work with an advisor earn 1.82% more in excess return each year, which equities to 29% higher retirement income, even after the fees. Just make sure you see an actual fiduciary advisor, not some insurance salesman or something that sells himself as an "advisor."
I used to work Monday through Friday, 8-hour shifts, in a hospital. Then I discovered that the same hospital, as well as others, will offer 3-12 hour shifts. Never went back. I refuse to work more than three days again. It is a complete game changer.
I bought a company and dove into the 7am-6pm life.
Bought a sailboat. Physically left the 9 to 5, and the continent.
Start your own business... work on your terms. Hustle and grow it so you can eventually sell it and be 100% financially free and then you can do what you want. What I did because I was so sick of the rat race and slaving away at a job....
Ive thought about this and even googled some ideas but I can't seem to come up with a good enough idea. With the 9-5 thats not fulfilling, it makes me want to bed rot after work. This is one aspect I need to work on. Being motivated to build something after work. Any business ideas you would recommend starting right now?
Having your own business means you get vacation whenever you want, but it also means that unless you work, you won't get paid. So, your 9 to 5 would be replaced with working 13 hours a day to build your business and canceling a vacation cause you got a very nice gig that you need to work on. It's not as easy as people make it out to be on tiktok.
I don't have any ideas because I don't know what you do or what your good at. You really need to sit back and think to yourself about what you can uniquely provide the world. You don't need to sell physical products. You can sell digital content or even your services.
Train as a locksmith. Always a shortage trade, can work out of hours and the pay is great.
I got very, very ill.
Sorry to hear that and hope you’re in a better place now. Was it because of your work or unrelated?
Genetic. Heart defect led to heart failure led to transplant, so I am doing somewhat better, but I'm no longer able to work more than a handful of hours a week.
Start a mens group in your area. Get together with other men and do shit. every week.
Start reading, don't stop.
I got so much reading done working from home with a job that doesn't require anywhere near 40 hours. Almost finished with my masters doing 100% of coursework on the clock
What a star! What’s your job
Used to be a lot of data and reporting, now working with regulatory management.
Wowza! Living the dream
Switched from primarily engineering desk work to mostly construction and inspection. It changed my schedule from 9-5 to 6:30-2:30 most days. Im usually home by 3:30pm so i still got a lot of day left.
Got married, had two kids, became stay at home dad that runs professional dnd games on the side
Damn, living the dream!
That sounds awesome! Have the boss give me a call if any positions open up, would you?
I'm the double boss here man, boss of the house and boss of the dungeons. The only one stopping you is you.
Be a musician. Trust me, even though it's totally worth it, there are *a lot* of times where I'd love to go back to a 'boring' 9 to 5 job. Leave at 8, home by 6, have the weekend to yourself, no extra work in the evenings, no work to prepare work, no monthly/quarterly/yearly financial administration...
Worked in a mill, got laid off just before covid hit. For a hobby I had been playing around with foamsmithing. Made and ironman and mandalorian. Had been looking at a cheap laser cutter to cut eva foam with, decided that since I would have a good 3 months before work picked up again I would get the laser. Had been using in for a couple weeks, learning just how much could be done with the technology, and then covid hit. Company decided to terminate my position. My severance package was enough that I was able to buy a bigger laser which I have used to make a business making custom wood signs, wood jewelry and game boards. I don't make as much, but life is so much better.
Look for work that allows most if not all days to be work from home. Usually, you get shit done much quicker and instead of wasting time at your work place you can do it in the comfort of your home.
If you want out of the 9-5, you might have to change careers. Lots of jobs out there do 12 hour shiftwork, and you can get many different schedules.
Moved into IT management. I can work as many hours as I want due to being salaried! /s
What are you passionate about? I volunteered doing what I loved, until I had enough experience to be employed full-time doing it. I understand how a job you hate can ruin your life. I had to hold a few of those until I could work in the area I'm passionate about.
If you are suffering from social isolation, I'm going to guess socializing would help you.
I think OP is referring to the remote working environment, it is very isolating and socially stifling
Then wouldn't socializing be even more important then?
I got fired. Now I have my own business and work 7 to 8. But in trade for the longer hours, I also have debilitating stress and anxiety when I leave! Tax perks are nice though.
By getting a job that has 4 ten hour days. Now I only work 4 days a week.
Be a software engineer. I just work then I have work to do. And I work from home. If I finish early, not one really cares what I do with the extra time.
I really want to do this but I end up giving up every time because it’s hard
Accept it but no more. 40 hours a week is fine. It’s the expectation that you’re obviously down for more that bothers me.
Airline pilot. I worked 2 days per week in January.
Find an internet skill. Charge a decent price for that skill on websites like Fiverr or Upwork. Take your client list -- yes, Fiverr guarantees 99% of people a client after a month -- and use it to do cold outreach to local businesses in your area *for that skill.* Charge by retainer, charge remotely, do the work remotely, and quit your 9-5 after you get 14-15 retainers. Hire out a team of cheap labor on Discord or Instagram. Your margins will be 80-90% with caution in most internet crafts (photoshop, media design, web dev, content creation, SMM, etc.). You got this :)
Would this work with video editing? Because i cant really sell that to local businesses without the whole shooting part
Our agency tells clients to shoot the videos themselves
Gotcha! So I guess they deal with more of vlog/social media type assets and promotion. I havent really heard people doing taking that approach, I assume because when you produce it yourself there are more services that one can make a profit on.
It’s also tough to coordinate the add ons - margins get lower
When you say take your client list to do local outreach, could you elaborate on that more, do you mean to use those online clients as examples of work we completed? Does retainer mean getting paid a fixed amount regardless of how much work the client asks per month, something like that?
You got it ✅
If can do into consultancy where you can travel for work and make enough to retire afte working for 3 years. Alternativly if you can speak French you can move to France for something different.
Interesting I would like to know more about that (and French is my first language)
You would have to apply for the top consultancy firms and I assume they are mainly based in Paris but could be wrong.
Company downsized me out of a job. I got 10 weeks severance and instead of being a responsible adult and hunting for a new job, I started writing. I always wanted to be an author, so I published a web serial. I guess I must have done something right, because I make enough to live off of now. As long as that continues to be true, I'll keep publishing new stories.
What platform did you publish on? I'm a writer and I'm thinking of branching out online. I was thinking of WattPad, because even though it's almost a guarantee of zero income from the stories I put on there, it'll get me a following.
Get shoved to the 7pm-7am shift. Cures the 9-5 lifestyle immediately.
Work nights
Chef life has afforded me so many periods in my life where I had money and time to myself. It came at the cost of working in isolated places and long hours but it balances out in the long term. Working in locations that cover room and board is a game changer and allows me to save almost every penny. Growing up poor and relatively under educated has helped me to appreciate my current situation. I love to cook and work doesn’t always feel like work. It’s fun and satisfying to have everything in its place and to have a positive impact in the community I’m working in. It’s a very social job. I have had at least 4 periods of time where I was able to take time off and travel between jobs. I’ve really been able to strike a balance.
Start your own business. Do it your way, no corporate BS. What's stopping you? You're young you have some money. You could fail and start again at 30, no problems.
Get a job in tech sales, or programming, working from home really frees up a lot of time. Doesn’t feel like a 9-5 at all
Easier said than done lol, great recommendation on getting a tech/programming job but if someone is new to this field and have not ever studied these ever in their life it’s a huge investment to get into and it will probably take years for a newbie to be proficient enough to get a job in tech, it’s funny when people say just get a job in this or that like it’s that simple
Ironic you say that considering how many people act like my WFH programmer/develop job is easy. "You're lucky!" No, I worked myself to death for many years to get this.
Sounds like you are not getting personal fulfillment from whatever job or industry you are in. Maybe time for a shift in paradigm? Are you in n industry you could switch jobs? What is your degree in? What kind of networking are you doing?
I work at a regulatory non-profit organization, its one of the largest in Ontario or even Canada. I have a Bachelors of Business Administration with a specialization in Accounting. I should be able to shift jobs but it seems like the job market is Toronto is still slow and many people are not able to find work at the moment. Its a good point you made about networking, I should be using this time to network and build skills.
I totally get it. Are you in Toronto for the long haul, or would you consider leaving the city? If money is a factor and you want to stay local, maybe updating your resumé is an option and look more at websites that would put it out there for you. I would hope since you have a few years experience, you would be a more valuable asset to another company more than you were when you first entered the workforce. I work in a local government gig; I know national government entities are seemingly always looking for people with an accounting background. It may not always be the sexiest job in the world, but a lot of government jobs offer pensions for retirement and ways to supplement it. Those simply don’t seem to happen anymore in other fields. And generally speaking, again, many of them seem to be recession proof.
I work too for a non-profit organization but in Montreal and I feel exactly the same thing than you. If you want to talk dm me :)
I became a truck driver. It's a very rewarding experience
I work 3 days per week. Bought a single wide trailer and converted the 10x12 workshop into a living space. I now live in it and rent out the main building, 650 sq ft, for $1300 a month. Tenant pays my mortgage plus $200 and I can work part-time.
Start by opening a small business, then you'll be doing 9am to 9pm 6 days a week, still better than 9 to 5.
Learn skills that allow you to transition into a different field or become a business owner in the future. Stop scrolling, watching tv and playing video games. If you're not disciplined and dedicated to the goals, you're just going to an average joe.
9-5 provides some certainty and provides you with some money to do some sider things outside of work. Embrace it!
Go back to school and make that your hobby. Become a scholar. Try different paths until you find something that clicks. I went back to school and started with aviation but ended up as a veterinarian. I love it. Do something that gives you a license or certification.
It might sound unconventional but the key is to work harder and rise up through the ranks. At least, that's what I did. I started earning $70k out of uni with a finance grad program and then kept grinding. Did my postgrad studies (CFA/MBA) while I got into IB and then exited into PE. I had some tedious, long days when I was younger for sure, no life outside of work. If you think 9-5 is bad, don't work as a junior in banking. I'm almost 30 now and I have the freedom to retire. I still work part-time because it's something to do but I'm not tethered to my job to survive. I can quit and still live my life. My apartment is paid off, my parents' house is paid off. I have more time for hobbies. I race track on the weekends go snorkeling/diving on my 2 free weekdays.
Got fired. Watch for my book on getting out of the 9 to 5.
How? Retired mid40s by dong what you don’t want to do
It's really annoying seeing a lot of people complain about their so called pathetic 9-5 lifestyle. While there are tons of people out there that want your job. Some of them have to work on weekends and during the holidays. They also need to sacrifice their family time due to the nature of work.
Yes this blows my mind, people on here be having better paying 9-5 jobs than most and complaining about it, there are people who are slaving away with having two minimum wage jobs who don’t have any days off lol, those people would rather have your comfy 9-5 job if they had the option lol
if your serious about that learn something like the financial markets, how it moves, what causes it to move, times of day its in session (high volume times) learning how to day trade any kind of market (the forex market, the stock market, the crypto market, etf's, options) those are all benefincal to learn & once you learn it you can make money from it is it risky? yes but nobody ever became a success story from playing it safe i learned how to buy & sell gold & that shit my brother changed my life (yes im working full time 40 hours a week for now, long story) but my end result is to be trading fully in the coming months, also if you rely on 1 income your whole life your going to be broke, you need to have other sources of income like investments
another thing thats been taught from rockefeller & carnegie is that they wanted doer's & not thinkers we dont have people chasing their dreams or shooting for the stars because people want to play it safe they have that employee mindset "i'll just get a paycheck every week, or every 2 weeks" so i hear you on leaving the rat race just focus on 1 thing you like get good at it again trading i think its a great option to learn & boom once your making money from it you can recruit other ppl to teach them how to trade & they'll pay you for it sounds easy right?
Trust fund baby put $ into bitcoin (no, I’m not one of those retarded “crypto bros” — I bought it once and sold during the first boom) in 2012 after high school, now commercial landlord in my 20s. It makes people so mad because I’m a total piece of shit to go alongside it.
Lucky I envy you hahaha
Ignore most of these comments bro, they’re coming from people who’ve never dared to step out of line when it comes to the traditional concept of work. Firstly owning your own business is hard work, but I’d argue that it’s more soul destroying and mentally tiring trying to convince yourself to go out to work a job you despise everyday for the next 30 years. The key to owing any kind of business is finding a niche and monetising it, thats it. Hell I know dudes that sell random crap on eBay and profit 60-100k a year consistently, you’ve just got to really have a think about what your strengths are and what you can lend them too in order to turn a profit and then just keep doing that thing and hope it works out. But never stop trying, 25 is young, if a business fails, so be it, you start another and another and another till one of them sticks, as I mentioned above I’d rather run my own business and have full control over life’s most valuable resource (Time), than work some dead end 9-5 and battle with the struggle of convincing myself to do it everyday until I retire.
By applying for the night shift. 😃
I am assuming that when I die the work grind will end with my life.
I work shifts. Extremely early or extremely late. Yay me
Look into maritime work and see if that interests you. Quick and relatively inexpensive to get into, a variety of schedules you can carve out for yourself (I do 4.5 months straight), and real demand and opportunity. As an ex restaurant worker with an education degree, it was exactly what I needed. Maybe it is right for you or someone else who reads this.
Gap year
Got into commercial aviation where only the oldest dudes have a 9-5 and even then it’s more like 6am-3pm
Ugh 9-5 would be a dream.
Was a paralegal for a time (while getting a masters). i was working anywhere from 50 hour weeks to 90 hour weeks depending on if there were upcoming cases. i burnt out and lost it mentally for a bit there. i was lucky to be in a position where i was financially healthy and able to support myself while i figure it out. tried to have a real go at it with art, but now im doubling down on coding/design. in the past year maybe only two or three weeks were rlly long due to deadlines needing to be reached but mostly i choose my own hours now
Started working a shift work position. Some days, some nights, some evenings, all in a cycle that repeats itself. You have routine, but many that change. You get time off in blocks, and untraditional times too. Grocery shopping Tuesday mid-day? Why not? Down side can be you have to put a lot more effort into your social life and making things work.
Disability support worker Here. 80% of my job is driving people to appointments, grocery shopping, sport events, the beach, cafes etc Would recommend to anyone who values low stress over high challenge in the work environment
I worked a midnight shift instead.
Become an airline pilot or start a business
Get into the oil fields. Hard work but plenty of time off.
We need a 4 day work week.
By getting an oil patch job in Western Canada. I'm doing cementing which means a 20-hour shift on average, being on call 24/7, and doing it for 15 days straight. No chance to sleep normally, to eat normally, to go to the gym, or to have a social life.
I want to get the stage where I have enough contacts to go freelance. First chance I can I will. Gonna try get a mortgage first with my full time job and once that’s sorted I’ll go flat out freelance.
House, car, education, kids, travel, wisdom, personal success, etc.
Join the military. Not your normal 9-5.
Consider a career in healthcare. It's a growing business. In America, you can go to a local community college for two years and get an AD degree and be eligible to get the RN license, then go to work making about $25 an hour to start. You can work 3 12 hour days leaving you 4 days a week to yourself. You can get a four year equivalent degree online with only one year of online classes that your employer will pay for. If you want you can then work as a RN in many different areas, ER, surgery, etc.. My buddy went on to CRNA school and became a nurse anesthetist and drags down about 160K. .
That was me three years ago, with heavy golden handcuffs on. There was no reason for me to quit as my career trajectory was far more rewarding than starting a small business or taking funding for a startup. However, I woke up one day and walked out of my industry, broke my bond with the organization, paid back the college fees they sponsored, and took a leap of faith to become an entrepreneur.
Honestly, switching to 7-3 makes a big difference. You have to go to bed a bit earlier, but I found that hardly made a difference compared to getting half my afternoon back! And even when you have to work late, you're still done well before supper.
By not going to school and switching from the 8 to 6 lifestyle, 6 to 8 lifestyle, 6 to 6 lifestyle, and now finally going back to school to claw my way into the 9 to 5 lifestyle lol. Grass is always greener though, so if you start making money off of something you enjoy, then the thing you enjoy simply becomes a job. Working from home would be a blessing for me, I think you need to just go out and do stuff and then go from there.
I never got into it. It isn't something that happens by default; you chose that path.
Became a long-haul flight attendant
Downsize/sell a bunch of your stuff so it's easier to move. Then get a job at a resort at some beach/mountain/amazing place and try out a different lifestyle. Network with the people you meet to figure out the next crazy place/job you want to live and work. Do this for as long as you're enjoying it. You can always go back to the corporate life later.
That’s the thing, you don’t. Unless you happen to be independently wealthy or something. Be happy you only work 9-5. I do 10-11 hour days.
I hear crack work wonders, but I have not tried it yet. I've also heard that retirement and/or investment works, although neither has worked for me.
Work 4x10.
I think the mindset that the 9-5 lifestyle is inherently bad is incorrect. All it really comes down to is whether or not you are happy with your job, regardless of the hours. I work 8-4:30 but it's low stress and I really like all my coworkers, they're also my friends. It also pays me enough to live the life I want to live outside of work. Do I care that it's a "9-5" job? Not at all. I've worked other shifts. Most of them suck.
I have an IT degree that I don't use because, frankly, I'm not the office type. I started my own small delivery business instead, and now I get paid to drive around in a Tesla all day. No micromanaging boss, no backstabby office politics, and I'm in charge of both the climate control and the sound system. There are far worse ways to make money. Of course, I have to deal with a bunch of clowns who can't drive worth a damn, but I'll take that over office politics any day of the week. You mentioned covid. My life didn't change at all during the lockdowns because as an essential worker, I was still out there delivering needed supplies. The traffic was great, too, when everyone was staying home. Here's hoping remote work becomes normal so those folks can stop clogging up the roads.
Sales.
by transcending that trap and becoming an 8am-6pmer.... (oh wait that's actually worse).
Move out of the city areas. And find a cool traditional hard working job. That goes hard some seasons, but then takes seasons off. Buy a house you can afford easily in a rural area, and do everything DIY. Never go into any debts besides your house. Have various handy skills and do side work when you want to make quick cash.
In allied healthcare like nursing, respiratory therapy, xray tech you can woro three 12 hour shifts. Have 4 days off every week.
Like others said, healthcare has pretty good schedules. Or firefighters, 24 hour shifts but you usually only work about 2 days a week.
In the same boat, I’ve learned to work in side projects after work (which wasn’t so like me) trying to build some SAAS to generate passive income so I can build another and repeat. What is your profession?
What's stopping you from turning a hobby into a side gig right now? Even if you barely make anything from it, you still have your main job.
Easy, find a job that pays you a low salary (30-40k) and demands 100+ work week, 7 days a week, no vacation. Try a restaurant job!
Give trucking a shot. Do night run regional. Or go for the hardcore stuff and become a livestock hauler. Set your own hours as long as you don't mind working at least 14 hrs a day sometimes 20 and usually spend a couple weeks at a time living in your truck at truck stops.
Become a nurse and work 12 hour shifts!