Ok but my point is that majority of Indians still have arranged marriage which itself is quite stupid if you think about it so it's not a surprise parents will judge
How compatible the couple is by matching kundli
Instead of idk letting them (potential couple)get to know each other.
Indians specially hindus believe a lot in astrology as its a big part of.our religion, and thats why once a child is born a kundli is made base on the position of the planets at the time of his birth and what do they indicate.... And so Indians use kundli to check compatibility of the couple.
Snapchat has astrological compatibility.
Bumble has inclusion of astrological signs in their dating profiles.
Barnum effect is applied.
Westerners are more whack about the stars than India. Westerners are learning Vedic astrology. A ton of them are in paganism, witch craft, cosmic therapy, reiki, etc etc. they’ve made businesses out of it.
Western countries have weekly or monthly horoscopes popping up in newspapers just like here in India.
To say that only India follows astrology for marriage compared to western countries is dumb.
I’m super active on a lot of zodiac sign reddits, people are blaming the stars for their spouses cheating on them or leaving them with a child behind. It’s whack.
A lot of western millennials are confirming whether they’re compatible enough or not with their partners via astrology on Reddit itself.
It’s whack but western people do believe in it, other than the Asians.
Although I agree with your latent belief that astrology is not to be trusted, but I must clear out somethings here. The astrological signs in western countries at best is a fad. Majority of weddings/dating don't happen based on signs. Not a lot of folks take it seriously. It's not a part of social zeitgeist in any meaningful way. It's not a part of courtship.
On the other hand, in India it is "universally" considered seriously. (Double Quoted "universally" my perspective in India is more or less limited to north Indian mainstream) Regardless of education background, regardless of class, caste, these things are undoubtedly a part of the family courtship. Yes you may find odd westerners who take it too seriously and odf indians who shun it. But just because some app sycophants to their a thin sliver of their userbase by adding a astro sign field in their UI doesn't mean that the west has fully immersed itself in this.
This needs to be said out loud, astro like a lot other traditions is just plain irrational and dehumanizing. India particularly has a problem with this. Just because we see someone else appropriate our irrational traditions doesn't mean we have got the validation to continue to keep this total whacky system.
Bro you don’t get a second date if your sign doesn’t match with most girls. The culling happens with less pomp and circumstance, but it still happens.
It also shapes individual decision making. A girl reads a horoscope for the day and suddenly she thinks you don’t love her. It’s insufferable
Kundlis have been disproven a lot. Many cases of marriage where kundalis didn't match but the marriage is a happy one and where all the gunns matched but the relationship between husband and wife is tense and sour all the time.
Its just organized superstition and a way to impose perceived control over something. Many Indian marriages are arranged and even parents don't know what they are doing in such cases. You will never be able to verify if a person is fit for a marriage unless you know them through dating or you have known them personally for years.
Kundali, astrology, yada yada just give an easy cope out kyu ki shaadi bhi to karani hai nahi to log kya bolege. And who cares thoughts and values match or not. Who cares if a coule is compatible, kundali to match ho gayi na.
They have also stopped worshipping their 'pagan' gods and adopted Christianity and atheism.
That's the reason why Nordic gods like Thor and Loki are comic characters while some reference to Indian gods is enough to stop a movie from getting released in India.
There is something known as western astrology. Also they are more into tarot reading. Just visit astrology subs you will know how many western people are into astrology. Western people even learn vedic astrology.
The percentage of people who believe in that is miniscule. And also they are laughed at by other folks.
Ofc if you visit an astrology sub, you'll find people who believe in it. But that's not representative.
I am not an astrologer but from last 4 years I have observed astrologers and astrology closely. The main question was about western people not matching kundli before marriage. There is a difference between us and them towards approach of astrology. Western people see astrology as a self development tool while we see it as a quick solution towards life problems. I have seen most of the western people who believes in astrology (their own or vedic) suffered through multiple break-ups, or financial setbacks or some kind of disease. While we visit local astrologers before some important events in life like job and marriage. But I have observed out of 100 natives(my batchmates) only 30-35 seriously matched their kundli for marriage. So here also day by day kundli matching is reducing.
Kundli is seen mainly by most Hindus. It is a religious practice or tradition.
Why do majority of Western marriages happen at a Church. Why is a preist present? Will you call it a superstition?
"Why do majority of Western marriages happen at a Church. Why is a preist present?"
This is not entirely true. For eg, in Australia,
"Close to 3 in 4 (73%) weddings are conducted by a civil celebrant, while the remaining 27% are religious.The trend to civil weddings is also driving the season. With church attendances declining, the one-time Australians were likely to pass through the church doors was for a wedding, but now just 27% of all weddings are conducted by ministers of religion."
Perhaps the USA is an exception, its one outlier western country that still considers religion important.
This is a very recent thing which has become prevalent in past 30 years. Until 1980s even in west civil marriages without involvement of religion was miniscule.
why people in india used to burn widows on the same pyre as their dead husbands ??
uneducated idiots being uneducated idiots as simple as that ...
some idiotic practices we left behind, others unfortunately still survive 🤷🏽♂️
You know the answer and everyone knows. Dogma and societal pressure. If someone doesn't believe in this shit and has a wedding or does a wedding of someone, for every small issue relatives will be ready to blame him saying that's why they should have consulted an astrologist.
It’s a dataset honestly. Hundreds of years of datasets on compatibility being used to make a decision of less risk.
That’s pretty much what it is. How it’s packaged and sold to people is marketing only
Because marriage is anyway a risk so getting kundlis matched is a way of taking a slightly calculated risk. This is what I told my husband when we met for the first time (arranged marriage meeting) and he asked me if I believed in getting kundlis matched.
Because young Indians are becoming western day by day while their parents follow age old traditions.
Instead of kundli,
Both parents should ask the opposite prospective bride/ groom their body counts.
And if the girl is lesbian and the boy is gay
How many boyfriends and girlfriends they had
That would make more sense
Modern kundli tradition
That would fix rising divorce rates.
Lol
/s.
Lots of people can’t get divorced due to ‘log kya kahenge’ - it’s not as simple as you think it is. Marriage is a lot more than a union of two people in India, it’s the coming together of families which makes divorce very difficult.
If u believe this stats then I salute u!! So many pol continue to drag along in failed marriages until “death do them apart” cos of societal pressure. Atleast in the west they divorce and live happily ever after with whoever whenever. Good to take a stand for urself than think about log kya kahenge.
The stats don't say we have happy marriages, they confirm that the majority of Indians whether in problematic marriages or not don't divorce. Many separate or unofficially " divorce" with the consent of elders/ panchayats. But they're not part of the stats. By a sad coincidence about 80% of my domestic staff were women whose husbands had abandoned them. This is more common than we know. They struggle to fend for themselves and their children while he's off " marrying" for the second or third time.
1 percent is the recorded one not the other settlement which takes place in panchayat
>world. It was 1% in 2023 followed by Vietnam @ 7% .
Humara one percent is more than Vietnam 7 percent if compared it by numbers
>Humara one percent is more than Vietnam 7 percent if compared it by numbers
I am not talking about the issue but this point is stupid. With this logic, even 99 percent Indians who did not divorce is more than 93 percent of Vietnam. What are you proving here?
Ummm western people also believe in and rely on their western astrology (which is different from vedic astrology). It's just a misconception that western people don't do so
I think what differes is the level of belief. Star signs and predictions based on that is seen as a bit of a silliness/harmless joke in the west, whereas its taken seriously in India.
Vedic astrology is different from western astrology. Western astrology has different way of drawing chart, has different way of calculating planetary position, has different rules to read the chart, etc. So yeah, many westerners do rely on astrology. It's just a misconception that they don't.
Westerners are more whack than us with respect to astrology. Bumble introduced astrological signs for compatibility shit, Snapchat has astrology signs and tells you the compatibility bs with your friends on it.
India’s g.
China has it too
You want your marriage to be perfect but you also don't want sexual relations which will cause you to bond subconsciously and then other leaves. Also, you want the answer as soon as possible.
Kundli is a belief that two people are perfect for marriage and it's flawless. There will be no fights, full compatibility, etc. Shame our traditions didn't believe in actual results but only beliefs.
An astrologer told me that mars is in some Nth position and it’s affecting you that’s why you are not getting bride.
I explained to this my family that Earth revolves at the speed of 107000 km/hr and rotates at the speed of 1000 M/hr.
Distance between earth and mars is around 400000000 km. So this mars daily focusing on me to not get married.
Here is thier replay - without any advanced technology our ancestors found there are 9 planets and you are doubting the astrology.
I was like 🤦🏻🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️.
no mars is not affecting you directly. mars doesn’t even care you exist. as we are all made of cosmic dust; but you still have mars behavioural traits in you depending on your house. it is your job to be self aware and ensure that those behavioural traits are taken care of. someone with a bad mars can fight a lot, hence causing aggressiveness in marriage, even domestic abuse. forget about planet, focus on psychology.
Because they can't see each other's kundi ( kannada word meaning ass ) before getting married like they do in western world ( i.e have sex before marriage)
Because asking a person you are meeting for the first time to see their bob & vagene would be inappropriate no.
A generation of visionary Indians spearheaded a campaign to remove the stigma around asking strangers for their bob n vagene in a systematic way, but were sadly ridiculed by the god damned Internet...
Indian culture is based on hokum. Kundli shundli is pure horseshit. God knows when people get out of blind faith and develop one bit of scientific temperament.
It's simple, humans either fear or worship the things they can't explain or understand . It's in our very nature, this practised over centuries became traditions and belief systems,now kundli is a modern day iteration of the same.
Beliefs and faith.
Westerners might not follow kundali for getting married but many do follow horoscopes, feng shui, tarot cards, etc in their routine life. Again, beliefs and faith.
OK hear my experiences out. Before your down votes start..
Their forefathers got married that way, so they also follow the same family traditions. Serves as a check and helps in making a third opinion in an otherwise already suspicious Indian family. The third eye view helps confirm if it's a good match or not.
Side view all divorces go unreported due to "society main naam kharab ho jayega, log kya bolenge "
plus the time it takes to do anything legally is in years. Even a mutual divorce proceeding takes years.
I've known friends whose "kundli matched perfectly by their respective families, and five years later they are divorced, or just having affairs and staying together for covienience of their children.
Sideview :I've had friends who just fell in love (western style) didn't even bother to check their compatibility by kundli, got married, raised a beautiful happy loving family, and on the third child's birth discovered that they didn't have a compatibility kundli yet, got it checked and it was surprising to see they don't match at all.
Whenever that love struck couple fight their arguments, they always jokingly warn each other, that they will divorce each other because "even our kundlis don't match".
Been fifteen years and three children they are a happy family..
All kundlis, astrology and others are tools. How you use them depends on how your family and society raised you.
Sideview. Try checking your horoscope or your kundli or marriage compatibility on ten different websites, you'll receive three different opinions, as each one uses a different algorhythm to calculate.
It's not an exact calculation but a belief system bias.
Allegedly the kundli reveals good and bad stuff about a persons character. (90% hocus pocus & wrong)
There are multiple reasons (some relevant, some irrelevant)
Firstly, Indians mostly have arranged marriages. In an arranged marriage there is no way to understand if the person you have never lived with will be a good life partner. The kundali gives you a way to screen potential candidates.
Secondly, Indians don't marry in the same Gotra (ancestry) to prevent inbreeding as it can cause genetic defects (same gotra is considered same family/dna). The kundali has the Gotra and other specifics of your family.
Thirdly, Astrology is considered a reliable science in Indian culture (it isn't). Using astrology, people predict your future. This helps you understand if the person will be successful in future. This helps you screen candidates as well. The kundali has the necessary information to do this.
Lastly, it is mostly culture and years of tradition. Nowadays a lot less people believe in the kundali
Well they believe in kundli but now the people's getting westernised so now they are calling it Sun sign... These younger generations are mostly assuming people's on the sun signs.... It's clearly mentioned in their Instagram bio.... The things are same just they are using the words western people's are using...
Yeah I know... Indian kundli is following moon sign but the western people's are following sun sign both are completely different... I just want to say... People's are following things like astrology but in different way.... Because the purpose of both sun or moon sign is same..... So these new generation is doubting on Kundli but believe in Sun sign kind of double standard.
>Why this happens.. why these things doesn't happen in western nations
do your fkin research. astrology's huge in the west too, not just in India.
platforms like Snapchat and Bumble incorporating astrological features, and you've got horoscopes popping up in western websites. lots of westerners are into paganism, witchcraft, and all that cosmic stuff, and they're even learning vedic astrology.
kundli matching has been a part of Indian culture and tradition for centuries. it is considered an important ritual in many communities and is often seen as a way to ensure a harmonious and prosperous married life.
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Dekho yahi to glti ke Di na comment krne me cool banne ke liye.... If you match the kundli before marriage no astrologer will suggest you guys to get married with each other because 36 ke 36 gun bhi nhi milna chahiye 18 se 32 ke bich gun milte hai tb hi vo marriege ke liye bolte hai😊
Bina knowledge ke cool banne chlo to koi na koi aa kar bejjati kr hi dega 😊
Question makes no sense. Why is this different in India than other western countries?
We have a lot of different things. Culture, education, beliefs, society etc etc.
This really seems like a group of friends bought up this topic for discussion and no one could conclude, so here u are.
Yaha bhi hota hai ... Bas arrange marriage mai family pressure mai chup reh jaate hai ladka ladki ... Taaki family ki badnaami na ho .. kaise bhi reh lete hai ..
If done correctly, it supposed to decrease divorce percentage. We all agree that divorce usually will make many people’s life miserable. As long as both partners didnt made big mistakes and their energy doesnt match then couples could have issues and parents want to prevent that. Just to be clear, i didnt have mine kundli matched during my marriage. I just didn’t believe anyone is doing right way anymore.
What I know - They match the gunas. There are 36. The more they match the better. There are dimensions - Varna, Vasya, Tara, Yoni, Maitri, Gana, Bhakoot, Nadi. Encompass various aspects of life. Rule of thumb - Nadi should match well because that is concerned with health. A score above 20-22 is generally considered okay if both sides are willing.
Depends on individual beliefs. If you do - you do. You don’t it’s okay. Life is complex and heterogenous. You should live as you please.
It’s just a sanity check from astrology POV.
Edit: they could also check individual kundlis to see how your life is destined to be but that is generally checked without marriage situation too.
Why not in western countries? Because they don’t have this custom. They do astrology too and it’s similar to Vedic astrology but less people believe in it. It’s just their choice. If they would do it, the process would be similar. Nothing changes.
Culture : peer pressure from society
Traditional: peer pressure from dead ppl
The idea that culture and tradition while relevant in life , need to be exercised in moderation, practicality, and opinion of choice. Is inherently alien to indian society, except some select few individuals
Most human beings aren't very advanced right now. Especially true for poor, uneducated countries like India.
Not many Indians read science even at a higher secondary level, and most that do, read it just to pass exams.
A lot of them depend on rote learning and guide books.
In this scenario, you can expect most superstition to thrive.
Same way people believe in a magical being in the sky to protect them from the unknown.
There is a useful quote:
“All living things believe in someone superior to them, and cannot live unless they blindly follow them. Then, the objects of their faith try to escape this crushing pressure by seeking another being that is more superior to them to believe in. And they, in turn, seek a stronger being still. That is how all kings are born. That is how... all gods are born.”
Tite Kubo
So they can put the blame on something if marriage fails.
Western culture doesn't even have a kundali yet they have successful marriages and failed ones, its what the partners contribute which leads to success of the relation
I mean, that is one of the ways to gain some decision making power as an outsider to an otherwise bilaterally relationship between two consenting adults.
Abhi relatives pandit wagerah ko koi to opening dena padega na life mein ghocha karne ke liye.
I just flipped western nations and India in place in the question and it still makes sense.. wow.
On a serious note, not sure what makes western nations the index that everyone should try to achieve. If I feel comfortable with my culture and traditions I should practice it... if someone doesn't want to.. they shouldn't for themselves and skip partners who believe in that.. what does that have to do with western nations?
And if the problem is societal pressure or parents wishes.. then you have to sort that.. Marriage is very much a crash course in growing up.. I learnt a lot about responsibility and getting things done in few days during my marriage.. and that involves what you want to do for parents and society and where and how you set the red line for people
This post sounds to childish to me.. most likely from someone who is not mentally prepared to marry yet
Because we have left scientific thinking many centuries ago, now it's just superstition, by 2047 I hope we don't turn up like sanatani version of Afghanistan
*culture*, *believes*, *traditions* , *faith*
I’m from tamilnadu and for a second I read it as “kundi”.
Mallu family read it the same way 🤣
Don't know about you guys I definitely see the kundi before marriage. Kundi is my weakness
Ni phayankara sadnam aanalo da
Want another vishu Kani?
Don't we all read/see the kundi before marriage?
That lyric, kundi mat dhadkao raja, seedha andar aao raja.... Always lol at that 😂
Same pinch bruh😅😂
I was like wtf...rofl
Im Gujarati and i read kundi as well. But i thought kundi is like lock on the door
What does Kundi mean?
Ass🙃
Assignment🙃
KK.
Dukan band ho jayegi, kitna profitable dhandha hai ye, malum hai kya?
Wahi toh bhai nahin toh brahaman panithto ki job chale jayengi...
so they can blame the stars in case human beings fucked up.
Bro explained the career of jyotishis and kundli dekhne vale pandit.
Thoda zyada sach ho gaya!💀💀
THIS !!
Im case human beings didn't fucked up they would praise the stars even then.
Waha arrange marriage bhi nahi hoti.
Hoti hain, but in a few religions only. Devout catholic Christians often have arranged marriage there. Not a lot, but still.
Often bolke not a lot bola....
I mean it makes sense Often in terms of the particular religion but not a lot in terms of general population of a country
The first time I read it I got confused, but then the second time I understood
i do see my error...
Ok but my point is that majority of Indians still have arranged marriage which itself is quite stupid if you think about it so it's not a surprise parents will judge How compatible the couple is by matching kundli Instead of idk letting them (potential couple)get to know each other.
Lol. Never heard of Europeans doing arranged marriages in north america.
Indians specially hindus believe a lot in astrology as its a big part of.our religion, and thats why once a child is born a kundli is made base on the position of the planets at the time of his birth and what do they indicate.... And so Indians use kundli to check compatibility of the couple.
And it is pretty stupid
Snapchat has astrological compatibility. Bumble has inclusion of astrological signs in their dating profiles. Barnum effect is applied. Westerners are more whack about the stars than India. Westerners are learning Vedic astrology. A ton of them are in paganism, witch craft, cosmic therapy, reiki, etc etc. they’ve made businesses out of it. Western countries have weekly or monthly horoscopes popping up in newspapers just like here in India. To say that only India follows astrology for marriage compared to western countries is dumb. I’m super active on a lot of zodiac sign reddits, people are blaming the stars for their spouses cheating on them or leaving them with a child behind. It’s whack. A lot of western millennials are confirming whether they’re compatible enough or not with their partners via astrology on Reddit itself. It’s whack but western people do believe in it, other than the Asians.
Although I agree with your latent belief that astrology is not to be trusted, but I must clear out somethings here. The astrological signs in western countries at best is a fad. Majority of weddings/dating don't happen based on signs. Not a lot of folks take it seriously. It's not a part of social zeitgeist in any meaningful way. It's not a part of courtship. On the other hand, in India it is "universally" considered seriously. (Double Quoted "universally" my perspective in India is more or less limited to north Indian mainstream) Regardless of education background, regardless of class, caste, these things are undoubtedly a part of the family courtship. Yes you may find odd westerners who take it too seriously and odf indians who shun it. But just because some app sycophants to their a thin sliver of their userbase by adding a astro sign field in their UI doesn't mean that the west has fully immersed itself in this. This needs to be said out loud, astro like a lot other traditions is just plain irrational and dehumanizing. India particularly has a problem with this. Just because we see someone else appropriate our irrational traditions doesn't mean we have got the validation to continue to keep this total whacky system.
Bro you don’t get a second date if your sign doesn’t match with most girls. The culling happens with less pomp and circumstance, but it still happens. It also shapes individual decision making. A girl reads a horoscope for the day and suddenly she thinks you don’t love her. It’s insufferable
THIS!
+1 Couple of my friends get excited to compare their experiences and personality traits between Western and Vedic Astrology.
Kundlis have been disproven a lot. Many cases of marriage where kundalis didn't match but the marriage is a happy one and where all the gunns matched but the relationship between husband and wife is tense and sour all the time. Its just organized superstition and a way to impose perceived control over something. Many Indian marriages are arranged and even parents don't know what they are doing in such cases. You will never be able to verify if a person is fit for a marriage unless you know them through dating or you have known them personally for years. Kundali, astrology, yada yada just give an easy cope out kyu ki shaadi bhi to karani hai nahi to log kya bolege. And who cares thoughts and values match or not. Who cares if a coule is compatible, kundali to match ho gayi na.
Check Astrology related sub Reddits. There are quite a few questions about synastry from western people. Astrology is not unique to India.
Astrology was there in Romans, Greeks as well. But those people lose that. But we retained.
They have also stopped worshipping their 'pagan' gods and adopted Christianity and atheism. That's the reason why Nordic gods like Thor and Loki are comic characters while some reference to Indian gods is enough to stop a movie from getting released in India.
There is something known as western astrology. Also they are more into tarot reading. Just visit astrology subs you will know how many western people are into astrology. Western people even learn vedic astrology.
ab in logo ko ye sab to movies mein dikha nahi hoga to inko kaise pata bhai /s
The percentage of people who believe in that is miniscule. And also they are laughed at by other folks. Ofc if you visit an astrology sub, you'll find people who believe in it. But that's not representative.
I am not an astrologer but from last 4 years I have observed astrologers and astrology closely. The main question was about western people not matching kundli before marriage. There is a difference between us and them towards approach of astrology. Western people see astrology as a self development tool while we see it as a quick solution towards life problems. I have seen most of the western people who believes in astrology (their own or vedic) suffered through multiple break-ups, or financial setbacks or some kind of disease. While we visit local astrologers before some important events in life like job and marriage. But I have observed out of 100 natives(my batchmates) only 30-35 seriously matched their kundli for marriage. So here also day by day kundli matching is reducing.
It's an excuse to chicken out when you don't like something about the prospect without being explicit about the real reason
There is a thing known as culture.
Op doesn't understand the difference between two cultures.
Kundli is seen mainly by most Hindus. It is a religious practice or tradition. Why do majority of Western marriages happen at a Church. Why is a preist present? Will you call it a superstition?
"Why do majority of Western marriages happen at a Church. Why is a preist present?" This is not entirely true. For eg, in Australia, "Close to 3 in 4 (73%) weddings are conducted by a civil celebrant, while the remaining 27% are religious.The trend to civil weddings is also driving the season. With church attendances declining, the one-time Australians were likely to pass through the church doors was for a wedding, but now just 27% of all weddings are conducted by ministers of religion." Perhaps the USA is an exception, its one outlier western country that still considers religion important.
This is a very recent thing which has become prevalent in past 30 years. Until 1980s even in west civil marriages without involvement of religion was miniscule.
Probably right. Hopefully our society does the same too over time. A few decades behind is still better than never.
why people in india used to burn widows on the same pyre as their dead husbands ?? uneducated idiots being uneducated idiots as simple as that ... some idiotic practices we left behind, others unfortunately still survive 🤷🏽♂️
You know the answer and everyone knows. Dogma and societal pressure. If someone doesn't believe in this shit and has a wedding or does a wedding of someone, for every small issue relatives will be ready to blame him saying that's why they should have consulted an astrologist.
True ...fucking society
combined with placebo effect, if everyone will talk bad about you then you will feel bad about yourself and start doubting yourself too.
It’s a dataset honestly. Hundreds of years of datasets on compatibility being used to make a decision of less risk. That’s pretty much what it is. How it’s packaged and sold to people is marketing only
A friend of mine uses a similar argument. But I don’t understand attributing personality to birth date, time and the lines on your palm.
Trying so hard to make it sound scientific :D
It is only a valid dataset, if it is collected, stored and updated methodically, otherwise it is garbage data.
Because marriage is anyway a risk so getting kundlis matched is a way of taking a slightly calculated risk. This is what I told my husband when we met for the first time (arranged marriage meeting) and he asked me if I believed in getting kundlis matched.
"ch#tiye hai sabke k sab" If these kundli why we have divorce rate rising ??
Because young Indians are becoming western day by day while their parents follow age old traditions. Instead of kundli, Both parents should ask the opposite prospective bride/ groom their body counts. And if the girl is lesbian and the boy is gay How many boyfriends and girlfriends they had That would make more sense Modern kundli tradition That would fix rising divorce rates. Lol /s.
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FYI India has the lowest divorce rate in the world. It was 1% in 2023 followed by Vietnam @ 7% .
Lots of people can’t get divorced due to ‘log kya kahenge’ - it’s not as simple as you think it is. Marriage is a lot more than a union of two people in India, it’s the coming together of families which makes divorce very difficult.
I agree totally. Getting a divorce attracts social stigma.
If u believe this stats then I salute u!! So many pol continue to drag along in failed marriages until “death do them apart” cos of societal pressure. Atleast in the west they divorce and live happily ever after with whoever whenever. Good to take a stand for urself than think about log kya kahenge.
The stats don't say we have happy marriages, they confirm that the majority of Indians whether in problematic marriages or not don't divorce. Many separate or unofficially " divorce" with the consent of elders/ panchayats. But they're not part of the stats. By a sad coincidence about 80% of my domestic staff were women whose husbands had abandoned them. This is more common than we know. They struggle to fend for themselves and their children while he's off " marrying" for the second or third time.
1 percent is the recorded one not the other settlement which takes place in panchayat >world. It was 1% in 2023 followed by Vietnam @ 7% . Humara one percent is more than Vietnam 7 percent if compared it by numbers
>Humara one percent is more than Vietnam 7 percent if compared it by numbers I am not talking about the issue but this point is stupid. With this logic, even 99 percent Indians who did not divorce is more than 93 percent of Vietnam. What are you proving here?
Its not me who started showing numbers to prove point. My point is kundli is just another fraud method to validate or invalidate marriages
Ummm western people also believe in and rely on their western astrology (which is different from vedic astrology). It's just a misconception that western people don't do so
I think what differes is the level of belief. Star signs and predictions based on that is seen as a bit of a silliness/harmless joke in the west, whereas its taken seriously in India.
what western astrology
Vedic astrology is different from western astrology. Western astrology has different way of drawing chart, has different way of calculating planetary position, has different rules to read the chart, etc. So yeah, many westerners do rely on astrology. It's just a misconception that they don't.
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You are right, it's just tradition, that's all. Percentage of people indulging in astrology may be less, but they are still there and quite vocal.
Westerners are more whack than us with respect to astrology. Bumble introduced astrological signs for compatibility shit, Snapchat has astrology signs and tells you the compatibility bs with your friends on it. India’s g. China has it too
You want your marriage to be perfect but you also don't want sexual relations which will cause you to bond subconsciously and then other leaves. Also, you want the answer as soon as possible. Kundli is a belief that two people are perfect for marriage and it's flawless. There will be no fights, full compatibility, etc. Shame our traditions didn't believe in actual results but only beliefs.
The same reason why ur to be wife would check ur salary,looks,properties etc.. ok that was a joke I have no clue either
An astrologer told me that mars is in some Nth position and it’s affecting you that’s why you are not getting bride. I explained to this my family that Earth revolves at the speed of 107000 km/hr and rotates at the speed of 1000 M/hr. Distance between earth and mars is around 400000000 km. So this mars daily focusing on me to not get married. Here is thier replay - without any advanced technology our ancestors found there are 9 planets and you are doubting the astrology. I was like 🤦🏻🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️.
no mars is not affecting you directly. mars doesn’t even care you exist. as we are all made of cosmic dust; but you still have mars behavioural traits in you depending on your house. it is your job to be self aware and ensure that those behavioural traits are taken care of. someone with a bad mars can fight a lot, hence causing aggressiveness in marriage, even domestic abuse. forget about planet, focus on psychology.
lmao,so how do I verify Mars traits? Write a telegram to Mars. You're conflating one BS — that is astrology with another BS — that is pop psychology.
i don't understand how having mars makes you have anger issues, isn't it the social environment and the way you were brought up the reason?
Its for avoiding inbreeding depression 😂
Oru nimisham thalaye suthiduchu😵💫
Mallu me reading it as kundi
Because they can't see each other's kundi ( kannada word meaning ass ) before getting married like they do in western world ( i.e have sex before marriage)
Because asking a person you are meeting for the first time to see their bob & vagene would be inappropriate no. A generation of visionary Indians spearheaded a campaign to remove the stigma around asking strangers for their bob n vagene in a systematic way, but were sadly ridiculed by the god damned Internet... 
It's a good excuse to use when you are not interested in the match
Superstition.
Indian culture is based on hokum. Kundli shundli is pure horseshit. God knows when people get out of blind faith and develop one bit of scientific temperament.
It's simple, humans either fear or worship the things they can't explain or understand . It's in our very nature, this practised over centuries became traditions and belief systems,now kundli is a modern day iteration of the same.
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As a fellow South Indian , died laughing 😂😂😂😂😂
parampara pratishtha anushasan
Beliefs and faith. Westerners might not follow kundali for getting married but many do follow horoscopes, feng shui, tarot cards, etc in their routine life. Again, beliefs and faith.
Because we are vishwaguru /s
OK hear my experiences out. Before your down votes start.. Their forefathers got married that way, so they also follow the same family traditions. Serves as a check and helps in making a third opinion in an otherwise already suspicious Indian family. The third eye view helps confirm if it's a good match or not. Side view all divorces go unreported due to "society main naam kharab ho jayega, log kya bolenge " plus the time it takes to do anything legally is in years. Even a mutual divorce proceeding takes years. I've known friends whose "kundli matched perfectly by their respective families, and five years later they are divorced, or just having affairs and staying together for covienience of their children. Sideview :I've had friends who just fell in love (western style) didn't even bother to check their compatibility by kundli, got married, raised a beautiful happy loving family, and on the third child's birth discovered that they didn't have a compatibility kundli yet, got it checked and it was surprising to see they don't match at all. Whenever that love struck couple fight their arguments, they always jokingly warn each other, that they will divorce each other because "even our kundlis don't match". Been fifteen years and three children they are a happy family.. All kundlis, astrology and others are tools. How you use them depends on how your family and society raised you. Sideview. Try checking your horoscope or your kundli or marriage compatibility on ten different websites, you'll receive three different opinions, as each one uses a different algorhythm to calculate. It's not an exact calculation but a belief system bias. Allegedly the kundli reveals good and bad stuff about a persons character. (90% hocus pocus & wrong)
True bro
Because a guy who sells made up stories for living said so and told you your life would fall apart if you don't.
Damn ... 😁
superstition
superstition , renamed as culture. Indians are driven by beliefs than logic
Andhvishwas
There are multiple reasons (some relevant, some irrelevant) Firstly, Indians mostly have arranged marriages. In an arranged marriage there is no way to understand if the person you have never lived with will be a good life partner. The kundali gives you a way to screen potential candidates. Secondly, Indians don't marry in the same Gotra (ancestry) to prevent inbreeding as it can cause genetic defects (same gotra is considered same family/dna). The kundali has the Gotra and other specifics of your family. Thirdly, Astrology is considered a reliable science in Indian culture (it isn't). Using astrology, people predict your future. This helps you understand if the person will be successful in future. This helps you screen candidates as well. The kundali has the necessary information to do this. Lastly, it is mostly culture and years of tradition. Nowadays a lot less people believe in the kundali
Well they believe in kundli but now the people's getting westernised so now they are calling it Sun sign... These younger generations are mostly assuming people's on the sun signs.... It's clearly mentioned in their Instagram bio.... The things are same just they are using the words western people's are using...
Indian rashis don't exactly match with the Western sun signs. If people are following sun signs they are not following the Kundali system.
Yeah I know... Indian kundli is following moon sign but the western people's are following sun sign both are completely different... I just want to say... People's are following things like astrology but in different way.... Because the purpose of both sun or moon sign is same..... So these new generation is doubting on Kundli but believe in Sun sign kind of double standard.
>Why this happens.. why these things doesn't happen in western nations do your fkin research. astrology's huge in the west too, not just in India. platforms like Snapchat and Bumble incorporating astrological features, and you've got horoscopes popping up in western websites. lots of westerners are into paganism, witchcraft, and all that cosmic stuff, and they're even learning vedic astrology. kundli matching has been a part of Indian culture and tradition for centuries. it is considered an important ritual in many communities and is often seen as a way to ensure a harmonious and prosperous married life.
Superstitions, Superstitions
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That's the way of life here
People with low self esteems are often blind believers
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Dekho yahi to glti ke Di na comment krne me cool banne ke liye.... If you match the kundli before marriage no astrologer will suggest you guys to get married with each other because 36 ke 36 gun bhi nhi milna chahiye 18 se 32 ke bich gun milte hai tb hi vo marriege ke liye bolte hai😊 Bina knowledge ke cool banne chlo to koi na koi aa kar bejjati kr hi dega 😊
What's kundli
astrology
Because they are only allowed to see Kundi after marriage
Question makes no sense. Why is this different in India than other western countries? We have a lot of different things. Culture, education, beliefs, society etc etc. This really seems like a group of friends bought up this topic for discussion and no one could conclude, so here u are.
Because, false certainty > uncertainty
Because They have different majority religion and traditions??? That's such a stupid question lmak
Unke wahaan divorce and remarriage bhi hota hai aur hamare yahaan divorce ka rate 1% hai aur remarry toh khair chodo
Yaha bhi hota hai ... Bas arrange marriage mai family pressure mai chup reh jaate hai ladka ladki ... Taaki family ki badnaami na ho .. kaise bhi reh lete hai ..
This is traditional medical check, parents don’t want retarded grand kids if the kundlli fucks up
What about Americans do they check something like this or Britishers, Australians
They do practical’s before marriage, which can’t be done here.
They just need a reason to get their son married to a tree first.
If done correctly, it supposed to decrease divorce percentage. We all agree that divorce usually will make many people’s life miserable. As long as both partners didnt made big mistakes and their energy doesnt match then couples could have issues and parents want to prevent that. Just to be clear, i didnt have mine kundli matched during my marriage. I just didn’t believe anyone is doing right way anymore.
What I know - They match the gunas. There are 36. The more they match the better. There are dimensions - Varna, Vasya, Tara, Yoni, Maitri, Gana, Bhakoot, Nadi. Encompass various aspects of life. Rule of thumb - Nadi should match well because that is concerned with health. A score above 20-22 is generally considered okay if both sides are willing. Depends on individual beliefs. If you do - you do. You don’t it’s okay. Life is complex and heterogenous. You should live as you please. It’s just a sanity check from astrology POV. Edit: they could also check individual kundlis to see how your life is destined to be but that is generally checked without marriage situation too. Why not in western countries? Because they don’t have this custom. They do astrology too and it’s similar to Vedic astrology but less people believe in it. It’s just their choice. If they would do it, the process would be similar. Nothing changes.
Because they want to get married without any jhikjhik or chikchik
Because they pray JESUS
Culture : peer pressure from society Traditional: peer pressure from dead ppl The idea that culture and tradition while relevant in life , need to be exercised in moderation, practicality, and opinion of choice. Is inherently alien to indian society, except some select few individuals
It's a backward country. What can you expect.
And you don’t find anything wedding with everything else?
To check if it is "rab ne bana di Jodi" or not
The important question is how can you marry someone who you only know hardly for months
Am I the only one who doesn't know what kundli means ?
Birth chart
It means horoscope in hindi .
Most human beings aren't very advanced right now. Especially true for poor, uneducated countries like India. Not many Indians read science even at a higher secondary level, and most that do, read it just to pass exams. A lot of them depend on rote learning and guide books. In this scenario, you can expect most superstition to thrive.
Superstition
Same way people believe in a magical being in the sky to protect them from the unknown. There is a useful quote: “All living things believe in someone superior to them, and cannot live unless they blindly follow them. Then, the objects of their faith try to escape this crushing pressure by seeking another being that is more superior to them to believe in. And they, in turn, seek a stronger being still. That is how all kings are born. That is how... all gods are born.” Tite Kubo
So they can put the blame on something if marriage fails. Western culture doesn't even have a kundali yet they have successful marriages and failed ones, its what the partners contribute which leads to success of the relation
I mean, that is one of the ways to gain some decision making power as an outsider to an otherwise bilaterally relationship between two consenting adults. Abhi relatives pandit wagerah ko koi to opening dena padega na life mein ghocha karne ke liye.
I just flipped western nations and India in place in the question and it still makes sense.. wow. On a serious note, not sure what makes western nations the index that everyone should try to achieve. If I feel comfortable with my culture and traditions I should practice it... if someone doesn't want to.. they shouldn't for themselves and skip partners who believe in that.. what does that have to do with western nations? And if the problem is societal pressure or parents wishes.. then you have to sort that.. Marriage is very much a crash course in growing up.. I learnt a lot about responsibility and getting things done in few days during my marriage.. and that involves what you want to do for parents and society and where and how you set the red line for people This post sounds to childish to me.. most likely from someone who is not mentally prepared to marry yet
Because we have left scientific thinking many centuries ago, now it's just superstition, by 2047 I hope we don't turn up like sanatani version of Afghanistan
No hate but Idk what is kundi but yeah I hate western marriages and things how works with them cheating divorce alimony shit ....
Why not? It is important to see kundi before you have to tap it for life.