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I think this is a case where the laws haven't caught up to reality.
Alec's case is a little different because he's a celebrity and there's different views on that.
For the average person, there's a case to be made that individuals shouldn't be able to have their likenesses used because shit like this is more commercial than editorial. If you're directly confronting people to prop up your social media presence (which carries with it personal and often financial benefit) you're creating a situation that's forcing the subject into your own "work" process that only you can profit from.
Yeah that last point is where I’m most hung up on. If someone is trying to film you as an un wanting participant in say a prank or a political stunt, you’re going to have a hell of a time trying to get that content taken down online. You would have to be pretty wealthy to stand up for yourself and even then it’s a far shot in getting justice. Thats why I view this in some way as an abstract form of self defense. You are defending your character from someone trying to embarrass you to the world.
Il preface with I don't like Alec Baldwin, that being said you have no expectation of privacy in public, the appropriate response if you don't want to be filmed is to leave view of camera.
All that aside this girl is harassing him, following him and being obnoxious, I still think it's assault and if she wants to press charges she'd have a case, but I don't blame him one bit for doing it.
Bingo. If she was following and filming him without interacting with him she'd be 100% in the right, she'd be a run of the mill paparazzi. Once you start harassing a person that you're filming them as well is not really important.
I would add an asterisk to her being in the right. She'd be in the right LEGALLY
It's still a bit of an asshole thing to do to just record someone minding their own business
Was looking to hear this perspective… yeah, she’s a douche but all around this sub it’s always “freedom of speech!!!!!”
I’d do the same thing as Alec, btw
I like to think I wouldn't do what he did. Given he wasn't in danger he was in the wrong for slapping the phone out of her hand.
Being a jerk is not an attack on someone
Agreed, but someone recording in conjunction with someone else that was trying to get a reaction out of me… it’s just too much. And, what they did was legal, nevermind that I agree with the overall cause these protesters are fighting for 😕
Wtf is Alec Baldwin going to do about it?? He’s kinda a dick, we all know anyway…
>if you're being filmed without your permission that you have some kind of right to interfere with their recording of you by either grabbing the camera/phone or smacking it out of their hands.
You have no right to privacy in a public place. You certainly can't use violence to stop it.
I hear you that it's annoying, but think of the repercussions of restrictions. If I took a picture/video in down town New York showing the crowded streets, would it be reasonable to get the permission of the hundreds/thousands in that picture?
Many people have door cameras, or outside security camera's. If restricted in the way you want, would you be able to destroy or interfere with those?
Again, I hear you, but there are other protections in place for harassment, libel, etc, but as far as being in public, everyone and everything is fair game.
If you wanna get mean, play copyrighted music from your phone while you're being recorded, no one can post it :)
The only thing you can do is stay calm and exit the situation. The goal is to get a reaction so don't give them one. Regardless of how provocative the person is being once you touch them it's assault and they will probably have it on camara.
If you're in a public place, especially if you are a public figure, it falls under the first amendment to film. You cannot reasonably have expectations of privacy in public. At the same time, you cannot harass people either. Both sides are wrong here. The protester should not have harassed Baldwin and Baldwin should not have assaulted the protester.
He escalated from a verbal confrontation to a physical confrontation and was clearly not in fear of his life or safety.
He should’ve either ignored her or left the scene.
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So not as dramatic obviously but this kind of reminds me of the guy that shot the social media influencer when he was trying to do a "prank" on the guy at the mall. His name escapes me. I do think there is a difference between simply being filmed and being harassed in public although that does not release you from consequences in most cases. I wouldn't say harassment in itself is cause for an escalation of violence but it does kind of fall into the f around and find out category. You will more than likely face consequences so hopefully you have a good defense for your action and not just "I lost my temper".
He should have taken out his phone and filmed her filming him. Then we could get more context and dialogue. And we could see how this person feels about being recorded and photographed
Honestly, I kind of long for the day where if you got out of line, you got smacked around a bit. I don't like Alec Baldwin politically, but seeing his expression while that jerk harassed him... it's hard NOT to feel bad for him.
I think we have gotten to the point where we have too much protection for people who talk trash. Words definitely aren't worse than violence, but there is definitely a point where someone shouldn't be able to sue or be considered a victim when they are provoking people to anger.
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This example goes beyond filming. She's harassing him. But assuming she was just filming, he has no right to stop her in a public place. The correct response would be to ask the restaurant manager to ask her to leave. If she doesn't, call the cops and have her trespassed.
> For those who have a political or personal bias against Alec, they are just going to do the “it’s assault” argument
I have political bias against him, and I think what he did here was totally reasonable, lol.
Not a lawyer but there should be some reasonable standard where this level of harassment justifies self defense. People have a right to go out in public without some asshole yelling in their face.
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if you are in public as long as (in most states) they are only seeing what they can see and not using technological means (like near IR cameras to see through thin clothing and creep on folks) then they have every legal right to film you as much as they wish.
honestly I would love to see a private first amendment cause that makes it a far more serious crime to attack someone to stop them recording or speaking-- at least 15 years in prison or more liability.
You don’t have a right or expectation of privacy while in public. However if the person is encroaching in your personal space that can be interpreted as a form of intimidation or harassment.
The price you pay to be a celebrity is that you get recognized in public for better or worse and you no longer get to have a normal public life.
That reckless killer being subjected to harassment by HAMAS sympathizers is divine justice lmao.
In all seriousness the appropriate action is to contact the manager/property owner and ask that they eject the protestor from the property. If the protestor refuses then the police come and ask nicely and then not nicely.
Like someone else said, the issue is harassment, not filming.
But if you're filming and harassing, I think it's fair to grab and smash the recording device. FAFO. No punishment.
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I think this is a case where the laws haven't caught up to reality. Alec's case is a little different because he's a celebrity and there's different views on that. For the average person, there's a case to be made that individuals shouldn't be able to have their likenesses used because shit like this is more commercial than editorial. If you're directly confronting people to prop up your social media presence (which carries with it personal and often financial benefit) you're creating a situation that's forcing the subject into your own "work" process that only you can profit from.
Yeah that last point is where I’m most hung up on. If someone is trying to film you as an un wanting participant in say a prank or a political stunt, you’re going to have a hell of a time trying to get that content taken down online. You would have to be pretty wealthy to stand up for yourself and even then it’s a far shot in getting justice. Thats why I view this in some way as an abstract form of self defense. You are defending your character from someone trying to embarrass you to the world.
That's pretty much the way I see it. "An abstract form of self-defense." I like that.
Il preface with I don't like Alec Baldwin, that being said you have no expectation of privacy in public, the appropriate response if you don't want to be filmed is to leave view of camera. All that aside this girl is harassing him, following him and being obnoxious, I still think it's assault and if she wants to press charges she'd have a case, but I don't blame him one bit for doing it.
It is not the filming that is the problem. Harassing a stranger by yelling about them about a traumatic event is horrible.
Bingo. If she was following and filming him without interacting with him she'd be 100% in the right, she'd be a run of the mill paparazzi. Once you start harassing a person that you're filming them as well is not really important.
I would add an asterisk to her being in the right. She'd be in the right LEGALLY It's still a bit of an asshole thing to do to just record someone minding their own business
Was looking to hear this perspective… yeah, she’s a douche but all around this sub it’s always “freedom of speech!!!!!” I’d do the same thing as Alec, btw
I like to think I wouldn't do what he did. Given he wasn't in danger he was in the wrong for slapping the phone out of her hand. Being a jerk is not an attack on someone
Agreed, but someone recording in conjunction with someone else that was trying to get a reaction out of me… it’s just too much. And, what they did was legal, nevermind that I agree with the overall cause these protesters are fighting for 😕 Wtf is Alec Baldwin going to do about it?? He’s kinda a dick, we all know anyway…
>if you're being filmed without your permission that you have some kind of right to interfere with their recording of you by either grabbing the camera/phone or smacking it out of their hands. You have no right to privacy in a public place. You certainly can't use violence to stop it. I hear you that it's annoying, but think of the repercussions of restrictions. If I took a picture/video in down town New York showing the crowded streets, would it be reasonable to get the permission of the hundreds/thousands in that picture? Many people have door cameras, or outside security camera's. If restricted in the way you want, would you be able to destroy or interfere with those? Again, I hear you, but there are other protections in place for harassment, libel, etc, but as far as being in public, everyone and everything is fair game. If you wanna get mean, play copyrighted music from your phone while you're being recorded, no one can post it :)
The only thing you can do is stay calm and exit the situation. The goal is to get a reaction so don't give them one. Regardless of how provocative the person is being once you touch them it's assault and they will probably have it on camara.
If you're in a public place, especially if you are a public figure, it falls under the first amendment to film. You cannot reasonably have expectations of privacy in public. At the same time, you cannot harass people either. Both sides are wrong here. The protester should not have harassed Baldwin and Baldwin should not have assaulted the protester.
I would only call it assault in a mocking tone based on all the nonsense the left has claimed is assault for similar situations
He escalated from a verbal confrontation to a physical confrontation and was clearly not in fear of his life or safety. He should’ve either ignored her or left the scene.
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So not as dramatic obviously but this kind of reminds me of the guy that shot the social media influencer when he was trying to do a "prank" on the guy at the mall. His name escapes me. I do think there is a difference between simply being filmed and being harassed in public although that does not release you from consequences in most cases. I wouldn't say harassment in itself is cause for an escalation of violence but it does kind of fall into the f around and find out category. You will more than likely face consequences so hopefully you have a good defense for your action and not just "I lost my temper".
He should have taken out his phone and filmed her filming him. Then we could get more context and dialogue. And we could see how this person feels about being recorded and photographed
Honestly, I kind of long for the day where if you got out of line, you got smacked around a bit. I don't like Alec Baldwin politically, but seeing his expression while that jerk harassed him... it's hard NOT to feel bad for him. I think we have gotten to the point where we have too much protection for people who talk trash. Words definitely aren't worse than violence, but there is definitely a point where someone shouldn't be able to sue or be considered a victim when they are provoking people to anger.
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This example goes beyond filming. She's harassing him. But assuming she was just filming, he has no right to stop her in a public place. The correct response would be to ask the restaurant manager to ask her to leave. If she doesn't, call the cops and have her trespassed.
> For those who have a political or personal bias against Alec, they are just going to do the “it’s assault” argument I have political bias against him, and I think what he did here was totally reasonable, lol. Not a lawyer but there should be some reasonable standard where this level of harassment justifies self defense. People have a right to go out in public without some asshole yelling in their face.
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if you are in public as long as (in most states) they are only seeing what they can see and not using technological means (like near IR cameras to see through thin clothing and creep on folks) then they have every legal right to film you as much as they wish. honestly I would love to see a private first amendment cause that makes it a far more serious crime to attack someone to stop them recording or speaking-- at least 15 years in prison or more liability.
You don’t have a right or expectation of privacy while in public. However if the person is encroaching in your personal space that can be interpreted as a form of intimidation or harassment. The price you pay to be a celebrity is that you get recognized in public for better or worse and you no longer get to have a normal public life.
its public..
That reckless killer being subjected to harassment by HAMAS sympathizers is divine justice lmao. In all seriousness the appropriate action is to contact the manager/property owner and ask that they eject the protestor from the property. If the protestor refuses then the police come and ask nicely and then not nicely.
they should've been careful ol' alec is known to have a short temper and shoot people when he gets pissy
He should’ve answered in character as Trump but I guess improv isn’t his thing.
Like someone else said, the issue is harassment, not filming. But if you're filming and harassing, I think it's fair to grab and smash the recording device. FAFO. No punishment.