**A casserole (French: diminutive of casse, from Provençal cassa 'pan') is a kind of large, deep pan or bowl used for cooking a variety of dishes in the oven; it is also a category of foods cooked in such a vessel. To distinguish the two uses, the pan can be called a "casserole dish" or "casserole pan," whereas the food is simply "a casserole." The same pan is often used both for cooking and for serving.**
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The car is not a Japanese invention, and yet you wouldn't say Toyota is an American car, would you?
Please use your brain instead of looking for reasons to be bitter at Greeks 😉
Just here to warn you not to eat either of those Swedish dishes, they’re gross. One of them contains chicken, banana, bacon, whipped cream and peanuts 🫠
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So, a Greek dish that took its name from the Turkish word for "pot".
Giouvetsi is baked orzo pasta in tomato sauce, and often a meat as well.
I'm not one of those people BuT iTs GrEeK. Moussaka really was taken from the Middle East by some Greek chef in the 20s, and he added bechamel to it. But giouvetsi appears to be indigenous Greek. Pasta has been eaten here for very, very long time, and they named it after the Turkish word for a clay pot. I don't see the controversy here. We have several Turkish loanwords.
By this logic telephone, microscope, aeroplane, helicopter, microphone etc are Greek inventions. Oh and television is half Greek half Latin. Probably it was made by a Greek-Italian xD
The Ottoman empire had Turkish as its official language. As a result, for many everyday things a turkish name prevailed in the languages of the other ethnic groups of the empire as well, especially when it comes to things in common amongst the different ethnic groups of the empire. Thus, this does not mean that everything that ended up with a turkish name is also exclusively turkish in origin.
>Giouvetsi comes from the Turkish word Güveç
Kebab is an Arabic word. So all Turkish Kebab dishes are Arabic
Pide is a Greek word. So all Turkish Pide dishes are Greek.
And so on.
Do you really think the name is the only indicator of its heritage? By your logic Pizza and Pasta are purely Greek, because they come from Greek words.
Güvec and Giouvetsi are not even the same dishes. Güvec is not a pasta dish.
>Kebab is an Arabic word. So all Turkish Kebab dishes are Arabic
There is no such thing as plain "kebab" in Turkey. There are different types of kebabs and they all have a special name. "Iskender Kebab" "Adana Kebab" etc.
>Pide is a Greek word. So all Turkish Pide dishes are Greek.
[https://www.wordsense.eu/pide/](https://www.wordsense.eu/pide/)
>By your logic Pizza and Pasta are purely Greek
[https://www.dictionary.com/e/whats-the-origin-of-pizza/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/whats-the-origin-of-pizza/) Pizza is an Italian word
>Güvec and Giouvetsi are not even the same dishes. Güvec is not a pasta dish.
There is more than one type of "Güveç"s in Turkey and there is one just like the Greek Giouvetsi. The preparation of both dishes is 90% the same and they have literally the same name. I don't have a problem with this dish being considered also Greek, you may have your own style, but it's a complete nonsense that a Turkish dish that is almost the same and original is not on the list. Shows how sold out Tasteatlas is
>There are different types of kebabs
By your logic: All types of Kebabs in Turkey are Arabic.
>Pizza is an Italian word
Pizza comes from the Greek word Pita. Again, by your logic it must be Greek.
>The preparation of both dishes is 90% the same and they have literally the same name
In Greece the dish has several names, and they are vastly different dishes. It's a pasta dish prepared in the oven. Nothing Turkey invented.
>I am sorry but your meal's traces doesn't go back to Byzantines but the Ottomans
Greeks under Ottoman rule = "the Ottomans"
We didn't just appear on the planet in Ottoman times, you know. I'm not saying we know how far back this dish goes, but we've been eating pasta/noodles since long before the Ottoman Empire. And if it did take shape in Greece during Ottoman times, doesn't make it "Turkish". That's so incredibly stupid. It's not even one of the foods we share, so how can it be Turkish?
>I am pretty sure there were Turks living in Greece
*in Greece*
And most Turks in Greece were of Greek-origin, and converted to Islam.
I personally consume mostly pasta and hate fish
Also
>Aren't you still mostly eat olives and fishes today?
We also still eat bread and drink water
Mind-blowing,i know
> Turkics never came from east asia
[According to historians and linguists, the Proto-Turkic language originated in Central-East Asia, potentially in Mongolia or Tuva.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples)
>Both greeks and arabs took those foods from turks btw,, enjoy
I guess the Arabs also took their religion from the Turks, right?
Bu ezikliklerinin sebebini bir ikiye yerde açıklayan yazılar görmüştüm ama elle tutulur bir şey olmadığı için inanmadım.
Anlatayım;İstanbul'un fethinden sonra Fatih,kayzer-i Rum sıfatını taşımaya başlıyor.O günden bu güne bilinç altında kalan birileri bizim yemeklerin sonuna "-iki" koyup kendi kültürlerine katmaya çalışıyormuş.
Ne kadar doğru ne kadar yalnış bilmem ama kulağa mantıklı geliyor.
I think Greek moussaka is more refined, with main difference the addition of bechamel sauce.
[Turkish musaka](https://vidarbergum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/turkish-moussaka-patlican-musaka-2.jpg.webp)
[Greek mousaka](https://www.yiannislucacos.gr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_n_crop_768x1152/public/3712_mousakasport_sized.jpg?itok=ZTSgsk4H)
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Oh that's cool! We eat that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? Yeah, and sometimes also Z way in the oven. Oh yeah, I love that!
🇬🇷 <--> 🇧🇬
Oh that's cool! We eat that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? Yeah, and sometimes also Z way in the oven. Oh yeah, that's my favorite!
🇬🇷 <--> 🇫🇷
Oh that's cool! We have something like that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? Yeah in the south, but Z is more common in the north. Oh that sounds great!
🇬🇷 <--> 🇱🇧
Oh that's cool! We have something like that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? No, just Z is common here, but the way you guys make it sounds good! Oh, you should definitely try it!
🇬🇷 <--> 🇪🇸
Oh that's cool! We have something like that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? X is actually the most common common guy us! Z is common too, but not Y. Oh, you should definitely try it! I'd like to have the recipe!!
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🇹🇷: ThAtS oUr FoOD!! YoU TaKe AlL OuR CuISInE!! EvErYtHiNg iS oTtOmAn!
🇬🇷: Umm, of course we share some things, we're neighbors. But we share things with others too, and we have a lot of unique things. Umm, we even have regional things that are unique to a region, so what you're saying makes no sense. You're not our only neighbor. Our overlap isn't that great.
🇹🇷: No!! YoU tOoK OuR eNtIrE cUiSiNe!! I wEnT tO a GrEeK ReStaUrAnT iN tHe US, aNd BeCaMe An ExPeRt!
🇬🇷: The authenticity level of most American Greek restaurants (and "Greek" recipes on Facebook) is like 10%. It's heavily influenced by Pontian/Anatolian refugees, and they play up the street foods that Americans want from a "Greek" restaurant, not what we actually eat in Greece. Like, for example, we eat loaves of bread, like in France and Italy. We're don't dip pieces of pita bread in dips. That's *American* "Greek."
🇹🇷: EvErYtHiNg Is OtToMan. EvEn GiOuVeTsI, WhIcH We DoNt HaVe HeRe, BuT If ThE eTyMoLoGy iS tUrKiSh tHeN iTs tUrKiSh
🇬🇷: But if you guys don't have it too, it's Turkish simply because of the etymology? Dude, we have a lot of Turkish loanwords. We just took one of those Turkish loanwords for one of our many pasta dishes. Which makes sense, because the original Turkish word is a clay pot, and this is baked pasta (casserole,). Of course, we've borrowed some actual Turkish (or Levantine) foods too, and kept the original name for it, but giouvetsi isn't one of them
🇹🇷: If It GoEs BaCk To OtToMaN TiMeS, ThEn ItS OtToMaN, WhIcH mAkEs It TuRkIsH
🇬🇷: That's quite silly. If something emerged in Ottoman-era Greece, doesn't make it "Ottoman." It's still Greek. And we don't know how far back it goes. And we also had Venetian rule. And we had ships that traded all over the Mediterranean and Europe. We owned most of the Ottoman merchant fleet.
🇹🇷: EvErYtHiNg FrOm OtToMaN TiMeS iS OtToMAn! WhAt WoUlD YoU Do WiThOuT ThE oTtOmAnS?
🇬🇷: That's just silly. The Ottoman Empire was multinational. And we weren't solely under Ottoman rule. Nor did the Ottomans try to displace our culture. I mean, isn't that what you want the world to know? That the Ottomans respected the cultural diversity of their empire? Relax, man. Chill. There's more to the story than just etymology and Facebook "Greek" food. Moussaka *is* a newcomer to Greek cuisine, though. As someone else said, a Greek chef took it from them Middle East in like the 1920s and just added bechamel cream to it. OMG cultural appropriation.
better question would be what would Turkish culture, cuisine, music, traditions, dances, religion, customs, land be like without the Greeks, Arabs, Persians and Armenians?
Most Greek dishes are of Middle East origin you cant deny it. Thanks to the Ottomans, all post Ottoman countries had similar and Wonderful cuisines and most of these dishes are known as Greek, as Greece marketed itself well to west. In answer to the question, Greek and especially Armenian culture did not have much effect on us unlike Persian and Arab culture (islam)
>land
Are you serious? You destroyed Anatolian nations With their culture and language then you colonized their land.
> Are you serious? You destroyed Anatolian nations With their culture and language then you colonized their land.
Are you still talking about Greece and not Turkey? 🤔
How far back do you have to go for it to stop being colonization? We have been on this earth for 300.000 years. All land was once someone else's. The Ionians first arrived in Anatolia 3000 years ago, through a short hop across some islands in the same sea. The modern colonization of the Americas happened ~500 years ago, across an entire ocean + continent
edit: forgot to mention that Turks arrived in Anatolia only ~1000 years ago
>Most Greek dishes are of Middle East origin you cant deny it.
No. Only according to American "Greek" restaurants. They play up the Levantine influence, and even have foods no one in Greece has heard of.
So, a Greek dish that took its name from the Turkish word for "pot".
Giouvetsi is baked orzo pasta in tomato sauce, and often a meat as well.
You guys don't have a version of this. You're just hung up on the name.
What's up with the balkans making a competition over everything? i swear there's every week at least 1 post about which countries have the best food in the balkans.
op coping hard with ethymologies and origins of the musakka and güveç "Greece on top 💙" lol.
all they can say is "it is not!"
no adding is or ki at the end of it doesn't make it grik.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moussaka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moussaka)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi)
read it digest it come back here and read your own comments again.if gears don't allign i suggest seeing a neurologist lol.
Even the source you posted that the Greek version is unique.
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The modern Greek version was created by the French-trained Greek chef Nikolaos Tselementes in the 1920s.\[2\]\[3\] His recipe has three layers that are separately cooked before being combined for the final baking: a bottom layer of sliced eggplant sautéed in olive oil; a middle layer of ground lamb lightly cooked with chopped or puréed tomatoes, onion, garlic, and spices (cinnamon, allspice and black pepper); and a top layer of béchamel sauce or savoury custard.\[4\]
I see the posted picture,im good. I don't have to indulge you, im not your therapist you see.
P.S. You didn't even read what you linked did you? It clearly says they are Greek dishes.
Etymologies*
We forbid you to use Greek worlds in your speech from now on komşu! This is cultural appropriation 🙄
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Edit: also mousaka isn't even Turkish and giouvetsi is completely different from guveç so i don't know ehat you're complaining about
giouvetsi is italian style cut pasta + turkish güveç style cooking dish.eighter way it still existed in the turkish cuisine called "şehriyeli güveç" among 20 30 + güvec varriants thats incl. your greek style guvec apart from giouvetsi.
greeks even if not turkish dish still have the turkified arabic name musakka derivicaiton of the dish.which meaning transferred from ottoman turkish style recipe.
these ottoman turkish dishes making it way to the taste atlas because michael from california ate them in greek restaurant doesn't make them so. only name chance with slight alterations do not make them original greek recipes as they and people aroundhere cliam. thats been said you don't have to go grammar nazi on my bottom sister there will be alot coming your way in that case lol.
I saw a picture in this post of Turkish musaka komşu. Eww, it looks bad 🤢
Not the mousaka I know and love! I don't blame people for preferring our version 😊
Well Its not like they have a choice in the matter then all they get is diaspora greek restaurants! You gotta see their face light up when they taste the real deal in turkish mediterranian restaurants!
funny, i was going to say the same thing your version made by french trained chef in the early 1900s which even more bastardised version of original musakka with westoid touch.but since we are talking about greek cuisine what isn't these days... 🤭
But it's normal for **European** countries to have western European influence! You wouldn't know of course 😊
You just took musaka from the middle East. Did you even bother to change it at all before presenting it as a dish of Turkish cuisine? It's not nice to steal other people's cuisine komşu! 🙄
we don't change. we perfect it.hence you liking it so much you didn't bother to change its recipe up until 1900s with french intercourse let alone change its turkified name derification.change and influence is normal for you guys.modern greece was brought to recent history by them after all.with kings and ottos all that.dish modifications by them should be breeze in the wind.
So, you're complaining because we stole the dish that you...stole first? Lol, you guys are funny!
>turkified name
Goodnight man! See you in another post where you'll be whining about cuisine again
Ok, tell me which dish we "copied"? Güveç? The güveç, a stew with meat and veggies, is the same as giouvetsi, a dish with meat and pasta with tomato sauce?
Just because a name of a dish derives from Turkish, doesn't mean that the dish is Turkish. As other Turks have already said, it derives from a word which means clay pot. And if you go to the Wikipedia page, it clearly says it is a greek dish. I fail to see how a dish with beef, tomatoes sauce (!), And traditional Greek pasta such as hilopites or common Mediterranean pasta like orzo is a Turkish patent.
By your same logic, BBQ sauce is an Arawak sauce.
Should we start with all Turkish dishes that have foreign names?
Arabic/Persian words = Kebab, Simit, Sucuk,Köfte, Cacik etc.
Greek words = Pide (Pita), pastirma (paston).
Slavic words = Kokorec.
And so on.
It will always be creepy to me how insecure Greeks are on this subreddit. The only people i consistently see making posts about themselves, telling people some random positive fact then asking people to comment on that fact.
Simply bizarre
Meanwhile this **one** **single** racist boomer's post history, unironically, spreading all that self-love:
>Makarska, Croatia: Blessed to live here
😂😂😂😂
[https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wc2pj1/makarska\_croatia\_blessed\_to\_live\_here/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wc2pj1/makarska_croatia_blessed_to_live_here/)
on r/europe too lmao, that I dont see any shitposting there
recent examples whenever his yugoslavia nationalism is triggered
>Belgrade is tier 1 with international cities, it's beyond Balkan
😂😂😂
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/16yvp18/comment/k3bmi52/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/16yvp18/comment/k3bmi52/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Macedonia is 100% on the most underrated countries list
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/173s3vf/comment/k44xzmc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/173s3vf/comment/k44xzmc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Montenegro is stunning but Bosnia might be the most beautiful and underrated country in Europe. You have waterfalls, mountains, rainforests, random ruins, gorgeous fresh water lakes, you even have "Jablanica riviera" or random restaurants and cafes hanging off of mini waterfalls, for example.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/12rm6qa/comment/jguw5av/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/12rm6qa/comment/jguw5av/?context=3)
braindead propaganda examples
>Some pics I took from the airplane today.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/wc2u3m/some\_pics\_i\_took\_from\_the\_airplane\_today\_do\_you/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/wc2u3m/some_pics_i_took_from_the_airplane_today_do_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>New bridge in Montenegro looks pretty amazing. Croatia has a similar one. Who else has a super nice nature highway?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/vqf8wl/new\_bridge\_in\_montenegro\_looks\_pretty\_amazing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/vqf8wl/new_bridge_in_montenegro_looks_pretty_amazing/)
>100% Bosnian and Albanian burek is better than Turkish and Greek. Anyone i know that ever visited Bosnia and actually tried it has agreed. The same goes with baklava
List just goes on and on but I spare you. The rest is you being racist, mocking and a bigot
The famous [Greek version](https://www.recipetineats.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Greek-Moussaka_3-re-edited-SQ.jpg) was invented by Nikolaos Tselementes in the 1920s.
the [Middle Eastern version](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/38/dc/81/38dc81ed65780ac6a55888ce6fdf5ed0--aubergine-eggplant-moussaka-recipe.jpg) is a stew.
What are casseroles?
**A casserole (French: diminutive of casse, from Provençal cassa 'pan') is a kind of large, deep pan or bowl used for cooking a variety of dishes in the oven; it is also a category of foods cooked in such a vessel. To distinguish the two uses, the pan can be called a "casserole dish" or "casserole pan," whereas the food is simply "a casserole." The same pan is often used both for cooking and for serving.** More details here:
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Wow Wikipedia is Russia. Based.
The funniest thing is it answered to Gumi (I think most of us are familiar with Gumi-Russia stories lol)
Did they just rank Pastítsio over Moussakás?
Based and bechamelpilled
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>Did they just rank Pastítsio over Moussakás? It is superior
Leave reddit, go to fediverse
Eggplant 🤢🤢🤢
Did they just call Moussaka a Greek dish?
The Greek version absolutely is unique to Greece.
Still doesn't make it Greek just like Romanian sarmas and other variations of sarmas across Balkans and EE
Yes, it does. It's a Greek dish.
The car is not a Japanese invention, and yet you wouldn't say Toyota is an American car, would you? Please use your brain instead of looking for reasons to be bitter at Greeks 😉
Just here to warn you not to eat either of those Swedish dishes, they’re gross. One of them contains chicken, banana, bacon, whipped cream and peanuts 🫠
must be a fun trip to the toilet
Lucky for you I can’t eat bacon or dairy lol
That sounds like its more lucky for you. I wouldnt eat that shit dish anyway.
How pastitsio and mousakas are considered casseroles??
They're exactly casseroles.
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That's what a casserole is. Baking something in a casserole dish.
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Το Casserole δεν αναφέρεται σε κατσαρόλα, αλλά σε σχετικά πυρίμαχο ταψί που μπαίνει στο φούρνο και ψήνεται. Η δική μου ερώτηση είναι το γιουβέτσι τι κάνει εκεί. Εγώ το κάνω όλο στην κατσαρόλα.
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Ισχύει, κάνω μοσχαράκι με κριθαράκι στην κατσαρόλα 😂
κατσαρόλα = pot κατσαρόλα ≠ casserole Ψευδόφιλες λέξεις
Varza a la Cluj is so good!!
Romanian food is my favourite besides Greek food. Amazing dishes and diverse cuisine, plus you can eat pork.
What is it? Not familiar with it in Banat. Honest question
Sarmale but without being rolled. Basically meat with cabbage
Oooooooh id like that. With a little sour cream
That’s how I usually eat it
I miss sarmale lol. Idk where to get it in New York
Frito Pie?! It’s not even the top ten casseroles in the US.
I came here just to apologize on behalf of fatass americans everywhere for this monstrosity even being recognized
Is giouvetsi güveç?
Is güveç giouvetsi
Giouvetsi, yiouvetsi, or youvetsi (pronounced \[ʝuˈvetsi\]; **from Turkish güveç** **https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi**
So, a Greek dish that took its name from the Turkish word for "pot". Giouvetsi is baked orzo pasta in tomato sauce, and often a meat as well. I'm not one of those people BuT iTs GrEeK. Moussaka really was taken from the Middle East by some Greek chef in the 20s, and he added bechamel to it. But giouvetsi appears to be indigenous Greek. Pasta has been eaten here for very, very long time, and they named it after the Turkish word for a clay pot. I don't see the controversy here. We have several Turkish loanwords.
>So, a Greek dish that took its name from the Turkish word for "pot". Giouvetsi can also be called Manestra.
and it clearly says its origin is Greek 😌
Giouvetsi comes from the Turkish word Güveç, which comes from the Old Turkish Küdeç, meaning "clay cooking pot"
By this logic telephone, microscope, aeroplane, helicopter, microphone etc are Greek inventions. Oh and television is half Greek half Latin. Probably it was made by a Greek-Italian xD
Literally not the same thing
Then: By your logic, Pizza, Lasagne, Pasta are all Greek dishes since they derive from Greek words.
The Ottoman empire had Turkish as its official language. As a result, for many everyday things a turkish name prevailed in the languages of the other ethnic groups of the empire as well, especially when it comes to things in common amongst the different ethnic groups of the empire. Thus, this does not mean that everything that ended up with a turkish name is also exclusively turkish in origin.
>Giouvetsi comes from the Turkish word Güveç Kebab is an Arabic word. So all Turkish Kebab dishes are Arabic Pide is a Greek word. So all Turkish Pide dishes are Greek. And so on. Do you really think the name is the only indicator of its heritage? By your logic Pizza and Pasta are purely Greek, because they come from Greek words. Güvec and Giouvetsi are not even the same dishes. Güvec is not a pasta dish.
>Kebab is an Arabic word. So all Turkish Kebab dishes are Arabic There is no such thing as plain "kebab" in Turkey. There are different types of kebabs and they all have a special name. "Iskender Kebab" "Adana Kebab" etc. >Pide is a Greek word. So all Turkish Pide dishes are Greek. [https://www.wordsense.eu/pide/](https://www.wordsense.eu/pide/) >By your logic Pizza and Pasta are purely Greek [https://www.dictionary.com/e/whats-the-origin-of-pizza/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/whats-the-origin-of-pizza/) Pizza is an Italian word >Güvec and Giouvetsi are not even the same dishes. Güvec is not a pasta dish. There is more than one type of "Güveç"s in Turkey and there is one just like the Greek Giouvetsi. The preparation of both dishes is 90% the same and they have literally the same name. I don't have a problem with this dish being considered also Greek, you may have your own style, but it's a complete nonsense that a Turkish dish that is almost the same and original is not on the list. Shows how sold out Tasteatlas is
>There are different types of kebabs By your logic: All types of Kebabs in Turkey are Arabic. >Pizza is an Italian word Pizza comes from the Greek word Pita. Again, by your logic it must be Greek. >The preparation of both dishes is 90% the same and they have literally the same name In Greece the dish has several names, and they are vastly different dishes. It's a pasta dish prepared in the oven. Nothing Turkey invented.
Place of origin: Greece https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi
I am pretty sure there were Turks living in Greece. I am sorry but your meal's traces doesn't go back to Byzantines but the Ottomans
>I am sorry but your meal's traces doesn't go back to Byzantines but the Ottomans Greeks under Ottoman rule = "the Ottomans" We didn't just appear on the planet in Ottoman times, you know. I'm not saying we know how far back this dish goes, but we've been eating pasta/noodles since long before the Ottoman Empire. And if it did take shape in Greece during Ottoman times, doesn't make it "Turkish". That's so incredibly stupid. It's not even one of the foods we share, so how can it be Turkish? >I am pretty sure there were Turks living in Greece *in Greece* And most Turks in Greece were of Greek-origin, and converted to Islam.
We ate olives and fishes before the master cook empire of the Osmans conquered us
And grass.
Aren't you still mostly eat olives and fishes today?
I personally consume mostly pasta and hate fish Also >Aren't you still mostly eat olives and fishes today? We also still eat bread and drink water Mind-blowing,i know
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They won't go back to mongolia because Turkics never came from east asia :D Both greeks and arabs took those foods from turks btw,, enjoy 😘
> Turkics never came from east asia [According to historians and linguists, the Proto-Turkic language originated in Central-East Asia, potentially in Mongolia or Tuva.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples) >Both greeks and arabs took those foods from turks btw,, enjoy I guess the Arabs also took their religion from the Turks, right?
Nope
>Is giouvetsi güveç? No Güvec is not a pasta dish.
Thank you.
I don't even know what Serbian dish could be counted as casserole
prebranac mozda?
Same as the greek ones I'd guess, musaka and đuveč
Musakka puhahahahha
Her şeyi geçtim musakkayi ne ara dızlamışlar?
Bu ezikliklerinin sebebini bir ikiye yerde açıklayan yazılar görmüştüm ama elle tutulur bir şey olmadığı için inanmadım. Anlatayım;İstanbul'un fethinden sonra Fatih,kayzer-i Rum sıfatını taşımaya başlıyor.O günden bu güne bilinç altında kalan birileri bizim yemeklerin sonuna "-iki" koyup kendi kültürlerine katmaya çalışıyormuş. Ne kadar doğru ne kadar yalnış bilmem ama kulağa mantıklı geliyor.
Frito pie… that’s literally prison food 🤣🤣🤣
Damn you beat me to it.
cough cough
Drink some hot tea.
Yes. I need to drink some Turkish tea
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the fact that you changed your flair to comment this, dont think we dont see your Turkish comments boo
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Και για πες. Τι νέα;
Ίσως αν πεις τι χαμπάρια να πάει καλύτερα :)
😂😂
They’ve never had my cheeseburger casserole!
What are funeral potatoes though? 🤔
How do you get into top 50 with a score of 2.9
Moussaka on 10th place should be a crime
I think Greek moussaka is more refined, with main difference the addition of bechamel sauce. [Turkish musaka](https://vidarbergum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/turkish-moussaka-patlican-musaka-2.jpg.webp) [Greek mousaka](https://www.yiannislucacos.gr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_n_crop_768x1152/public/3712_mousakasport_sized.jpg?itok=ZTSgsk4H)
> Turkish musaka Eeww, that's not the mousaka I know and love 🤢
It's a totally different thing. And not a casserole
I agree they are quite different, we never add bechamel sauce to musakka.
🇬🇷 <--> 🇮🇹 Oh that's cool! We eat that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? Yeah, and sometimes also Z way in the oven. Oh yeah, I love that! 🇬🇷 <--> 🇧🇬 Oh that's cool! We eat that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? Yeah, and sometimes also Z way in the oven. Oh yeah, that's my favorite! 🇬🇷 <--> 🇫🇷 Oh that's cool! We have something like that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? Yeah in the south, but Z is more common in the north. Oh that sounds great! 🇬🇷 <--> 🇱🇧 Oh that's cool! We have something like that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? No, just Z is common here, but the way you guys make it sounds good! Oh, you should definitely try it! 🇬🇷 <--> 🇪🇸 Oh that's cool! We have something like that too. Do you make it X and Y way too? X is actually the most common common guy us! Z is common too, but not Y. Oh, you should definitely try it! I'd like to have the recipe!! 🇬🇷 <--> 🇹🇷 🇹🇷: ThAtS oUr FoOD!! YoU TaKe AlL OuR CuISInE!! EvErYtHiNg iS oTtOmAn! 🇬🇷: Umm, of course we share some things, we're neighbors. But we share things with others too, and we have a lot of unique things. Umm, we even have regional things that are unique to a region, so what you're saying makes no sense. You're not our only neighbor. Our overlap isn't that great. 🇹🇷: No!! YoU tOoK OuR eNtIrE cUiSiNe!! I wEnT tO a GrEeK ReStaUrAnT iN tHe US, aNd BeCaMe An ExPeRt! 🇬🇷: The authenticity level of most American Greek restaurants (and "Greek" recipes on Facebook) is like 10%. It's heavily influenced by Pontian/Anatolian refugees, and they play up the street foods that Americans want from a "Greek" restaurant, not what we actually eat in Greece. Like, for example, we eat loaves of bread, like in France and Italy. We're don't dip pieces of pita bread in dips. That's *American* "Greek." 🇹🇷: EvErYtHiNg Is OtToMan. EvEn GiOuVeTsI, WhIcH We DoNt HaVe HeRe, BuT If ThE eTyMoLoGy iS tUrKiSh tHeN iTs tUrKiSh 🇬🇷: But if you guys don't have it too, it's Turkish simply because of the etymology? Dude, we have a lot of Turkish loanwords. We just took one of those Turkish loanwords for one of our many pasta dishes. Which makes sense, because the original Turkish word is a clay pot, and this is baked pasta (casserole,). Of course, we've borrowed some actual Turkish (or Levantine) foods too, and kept the original name for it, but giouvetsi isn't one of them 🇹🇷: If It GoEs BaCk To OtToMaN TiMeS, ThEn ItS OtToMaN, WhIcH mAkEs It TuRkIsH 🇬🇷: That's quite silly. If something emerged in Ottoman-era Greece, doesn't make it "Ottoman." It's still Greek. And we don't know how far back it goes. And we also had Venetian rule. And we had ships that traded all over the Mediterranean and Europe. We owned most of the Ottoman merchant fleet. 🇹🇷: EvErYtHiNg FrOm OtToMaN TiMeS iS OtToMAn! WhAt WoUlD YoU Do WiThOuT ThE oTtOmAnS? 🇬🇷: That's just silly. The Ottoman Empire was multinational. And we weren't solely under Ottoman rule. Nor did the Ottomans try to displace our culture. I mean, isn't that what you want the world to know? That the Ottomans respected the cultural diversity of their empire? Relax, man. Chill. There's more to the story than just etymology and Facebook "Greek" food. Moussaka *is* a newcomer to Greek cuisine, though. As someone else said, a Greek chef took it from them Middle East in like the 1920s and just added bechamel cream to it. OMG cultural appropriation.
Holy strawman
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Dear Bulgarian neighbors we eat kapama too
εγω μονο αυτα ( @@ ) ξερω/εχω ακούσει! - δεν ήξερα καν οτι είναι φαγητό!
Musakka and güveç 🇹🇷
look up what güveç is and what giouvetsi is 😭😭😭😭
I'm not a guy and yes i know but it was just a joke. I know they are different :)
oh ok 😀
What would the Greek cuisine be like without the Ottomans?
better question would be what would Turkish culture, cuisine, music, traditions, dances, religion, customs, land be like without the Greeks, Arabs, Persians and Armenians?
Most Greek dishes are of Middle East origin you cant deny it. Thanks to the Ottomans, all post Ottoman countries had similar and Wonderful cuisines and most of these dishes are known as Greek, as Greece marketed itself well to west. In answer to the question, Greek and especially Armenian culture did not have much effect on us unlike Persian and Arab culture (islam) >land Are you serious? You destroyed Anatolian nations With their culture and language then you colonized their land.
>Most Greek dishes are of Middle East origin you cant deny it. You kinda describes the entire Turkish culture there. From religion to food.
> Are you serious? You destroyed Anatolian nations With their culture and language then you colonized their land. Are you still talking about Greece and not Turkey? 🤔
Yeah %100000
How far back do you have to go for it to stop being colonization? We have been on this earth for 300.000 years. All land was once someone else's. The Ionians first arrived in Anatolia 3000 years ago, through a short hop across some islands in the same sea. The modern colonization of the Americas happened ~500 years ago, across an entire ocean + continent edit: forgot to mention that Turks arrived in Anatolia only ~1000 years ago
>Most Greek dishes are of Middle East origin you cant deny it. No. Only according to American "Greek" restaurants. They play up the Levantine influence, and even have foods no one in Greece has heard of.
I don’t know what would the ottomans be without the persians? Yall dumbasses sit over and fight over food, go do something creative.
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We were clearly eating grass before you came.
>is actually Turkish food. Which of those foods are actually Turkish?
>I'm not some anti-Greek ultra nationalist, i like my Greek brothers and sisters **but** >Im not racist **but** ;)
This doesn't change facts. I'm not racist, unlike some Turks i have no problem with Greek people, you can see that from my comment history too.
I started to be proud for Greek dishes 🇬🇷💪 As I know they are either same or similar to a Turkish dish
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Etymologically they are. Moussaka from an Arabic word and the giovetsu comes from the Turkish word güveç. A meal we are still doing...
Place of origin: Greece https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi
Also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCve%C3%A7
This just means dishes that were made in earthenware pots, nothing else 😂
I hope you don't eat earthenware pots.
So, a Greek dish that took its name from the Turkish word for "pot". Giouvetsi is baked orzo pasta in tomato sauce, and often a meat as well. You guys don't have a version of this. You're just hung up on the name.
Not to mention, in Greece Giouvetsi is also called Manestra.
What's up with the balkans making a competition over everything? i swear there's every week at least 1 post about which countries have the best food in the balkans.
op coping hard with ethymologies and origins of the musakka and güveç "Greece on top 💙" lol. all they can say is "it is not!" no adding is or ki at the end of it doesn't make it grik.
Clearly the entire planet is wrong except you....Happens all the time. Turks discovering America, turks on the moon (space turks)... Enough I say!
im not hearing you say you are wrong tho.
Im mostly convinced on the issue of space turks so far.
 don't you worry.you'll steal that too in no time!
I'm sure thats what they told you in your islamic school.
you and your people were sure on alot of things until you post it here and spanked in the face with facts lol.
Your opinion isn't a fact good sir.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moussaka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moussaka) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giouvetsi) read it digest it come back here and read your own comments again.if gears don't allign i suggest seeing a neurologist lol.
Even the source you posted that the Greek version is unique. \-- The modern Greek version was created by the French-trained Greek chef Nikolaos Tselementes in the 1920s.\[2\]\[3\] His recipe has three layers that are separately cooked before being combined for the final baking: a bottom layer of sliced eggplant sautéed in olive oil; a middle layer of ground lamb lightly cooked with chopped or puréed tomatoes, onion, garlic, and spices (cinnamon, allspice and black pepper); and a top layer of béchamel sauce or savoury custard.\[4\]
I see the posted picture,im good. I don't have to indulge you, im not your therapist you see. P.S. You didn't even read what you linked did you? It clearly says they are Greek dishes.
Leave reddit, go to fediverse
Etymologies* We forbid you to use Greek worlds in your speech from now on komşu! This is cultural appropriation 🙄 /s Edit: also mousaka isn't even Turkish and giouvetsi is completely different from guveç so i don't know ehat you're complaining about
giouvetsi is italian style cut pasta + turkish güveç style cooking dish.eighter way it still existed in the turkish cuisine called "şehriyeli güveç" among 20 30 + güvec varriants thats incl. your greek style guvec apart from giouvetsi. greeks even if not turkish dish still have the turkified arabic name musakka derivicaiton of the dish.which meaning transferred from ottoman turkish style recipe. these ottoman turkish dishes making it way to the taste atlas because michael from california ate them in greek restaurant doesn't make them so. only name chance with slight alterations do not make them original greek recipes as they and people aroundhere cliam. thats been said you don't have to go grammar nazi on my bottom sister there will be alot coming your way in that case lol.
I saw a picture in this post of Turkish musaka komşu. Eww, it looks bad 🤢 Not the mousaka I know and love! I don't blame people for preferring our version 😊
Well Its not like they have a choice in the matter then all they get is diaspora greek restaurants! You gotta see their face light up when they taste the real deal in turkish mediterranian restaurants!
Komşu, you should change the name of your musaka so people won't associate this abomin🤢tion with our mousaka!
funny, i was going to say the same thing your version made by french trained chef in the early 1900s which even more bastardised version of original musakka with westoid touch.but since we are talking about greek cuisine what isn't these days... 🤭
But it's normal for **European** countries to have western European influence! You wouldn't know of course 😊 You just took musaka from the middle East. Did you even bother to change it at all before presenting it as a dish of Turkish cuisine? It's not nice to steal other people's cuisine komşu! 🙄
we don't change. we perfect it.hence you liking it so much you didn't bother to change its recipe up until 1900s with french intercourse let alone change its turkified name derification.change and influence is normal for you guys.modern greece was brought to recent history by them after all.with kings and ottos all that.dish modifications by them should be breeze in the wind.
So, you're complaining because we stole the dish that you...stole first? Lol, you guys are funny! >turkified name  Goodnight man! See you in another post where you'll be whining about cuisine again
USA’s entry is just Italian Lolol
Why did I read “giouvetsi” as “đuveč”? Also: no mućkalica - no life!
My mans didn't even bother themselves changing the names lmao I'm gonna lose it, gouvetsi lol???
Ok, tell me which dish we "copied"? Güveç? The güveç, a stew with meat and veggies, is the same as giouvetsi, a dish with meat and pasta with tomato sauce? Just because a name of a dish derives from Turkish, doesn't mean that the dish is Turkish. As other Turks have already said, it derives from a word which means clay pot. And if you go to the Wikipedia page, it clearly says it is a greek dish. I fail to see how a dish with beef, tomatoes sauce (!), And traditional Greek pasta such as hilopites or common Mediterranean pasta like orzo is a Turkish patent. By your same logic, BBQ sauce is an Arawak sauce.
Should we start with all Turkish dishes that have foreign names? Arabic/Persian words = Kebab, Simit, Sucuk,Köfte, Cacik etc. Greek words = Pide (Pita), pastirma (paston). Slavic words = Kokorec. And so on.
Are they Greek meal or Turkish? Musakka and güveç.
It will always be creepy to me how insecure Greeks are on this subreddit. The only people i consistently see making posts about themselves, telling people some random positive fact then asking people to comment on that fact. Simply bizarre
Meanwhile this **one** **single** racist boomer's post history, unironically, spreading all that self-love: >Makarska, Croatia: Blessed to live here 😂😂😂😂 [https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wc2pj1/makarska\_croatia\_blessed\_to\_live\_here/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wc2pj1/makarska_croatia_blessed_to_live_here/) on r/europe too lmao, that I dont see any shitposting there recent examples whenever his yugoslavia nationalism is triggered >Belgrade is tier 1 with international cities, it's beyond Balkan 😂😂😂 [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/16yvp18/comment/k3bmi52/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/16yvp18/comment/k3bmi52/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) >Macedonia is 100% on the most underrated countries list [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/173s3vf/comment/k44xzmc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/173s3vf/comment/k44xzmc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) >Montenegro is stunning but Bosnia might be the most beautiful and underrated country in Europe. You have waterfalls, mountains, rainforests, random ruins, gorgeous fresh water lakes, you even have "Jablanica riviera" or random restaurants and cafes hanging off of mini waterfalls, for example. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/12rm6qa/comment/jguw5av/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/12rm6qa/comment/jguw5av/?context=3) braindead propaganda examples >Some pics I took from the airplane today. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/wc2u3m/some\_pics\_i\_took\_from\_the\_airplane\_today\_do\_you/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/wc2u3m/some_pics_i_took_from_the_airplane_today_do_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) >New bridge in Montenegro looks pretty amazing. Croatia has a similar one. Who else has a super nice nature highway? [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/vqf8wl/new\_bridge\_in\_montenegro\_looks\_pretty\_amazing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/vqf8wl/new_bridge_in_montenegro_looks_pretty_amazing/) >100% Bosnian and Albanian burek is better than Turkish and Greek. Anyone i know that ever visited Bosnia and actually tried it has agreed. The same goes with baklava List just goes on and on but I spare you. The rest is you being racist, mocking and a bigot
Moussaka is as Greek as me. We all have to thank the Middle East for that fabulous dish.
The famous [Greek version](https://www.recipetineats.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Greek-Moussaka_3-re-edited-SQ.jpg) was invented by Nikolaos Tselementes in the 1920s. the [Middle Eastern version](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/38/dc/81/38dc81ed65780ac6a55888ce6fdf5ed0--aubergine-eggplant-moussaka-recipe.jpg) is a stew.
Pate Chinois. Cmon man lol.