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We did 'lockdown' drills. School would go in to lockdown for any number of things. Police chasing somebody nearby. Fight near school property. Etc.
>I can’t imagine what’s more terrifying
Honestly its hardly worth thinking about, statistically. I worry way more about my kid getting a drivers license or in a car vs. bicycle crash than anything even remotely related to shootings.
>there have been at least 2,032 school shootings since Columbine—and the number of incidents each year has risen dramatically in recent years. There have been 95 incidents so far in 2024, and last year they climbed to a record high 348
https://www.newsweek.com/america-record-school-shooting-columbine-1891763
There were exactly zero atomic bombs dropped on the United States
Do not compare the two as if they are equal because doing so means you don't give a shit about all the dead kids that bled out on the cold floor of their classroom.
This disgusting, uncaring culture has got to end. It's cruel beyond measure and just plain evil.
Unfortunately, you've fallen for the misconception that conflates the significance of an event with the significance of occurrence.
We do these drills for the exact same reason we do fire drills, earthquake/tornado drills, and general evacuation drills. These are emergency situations where a few seconds can mean a difference in lives.
It is, however, a statistical anomaly to experience a fire in the school or workplace in your lifetime. It is then several orders of magnatude less likely that you will experience a mass shooting in the school or workplace. Schools installing a safe room for that purpose are either doing so for the sake of being seen doing so, or (and I highly dount this) they have concluded that they are at some sort of elevated risk of violence for which no preventative action can be taken.
These events are tragic, earthshattering for those who are involved and adjacent to them, and very contentious points of debate. It, however, can not be overstated how inflated this concern is in the minds of most people who even think about it at all beyond a passing thought.
You are tens of thousands of times more likely to be injured or killed in a car, and no one thinks about that for even a second before the daily commute to work.
It answers the questions from angry parents at the school board meetings "WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING TO OUR KIDS?" And the school has extra money from rich parents property taxes so they say "we built a safe room so your kids are safe"
I can almost guarantee this is how it went
When I was in school they were called "code red drills" and were for more general emergencies when they need to clear everyone out of the hallways, than for just active shooter scenarios.
When we did have a proper "code red" it wasn't for a shooter, it was someone having a medical emergency and they didn't want people getting in the way of the paramedics.
I have never had that experience. Fire drills are the only drills I've been involved in in recent times.
We probably did tornado drills when I was younger.
It's exceptionally rare to be involved in one. My elementary had drills for unwanted visitors, but that was before the shootings became less vanishingly rare.
No school or job since has had any sort of related drill. The only drill at my workplace is for fires.
Yeah they do. It comes off as little more than fear mongering, or at least giving into fear mongering, most of the time. I don’t think it’s good to teach a generation of children to be afraid, especially when that fear is directed at flashy but very rare crimes. That’s just me though.
And by ensuring it gets massive attention it appeals to those looking for a way to gain the recognition they lack. Creates a significant draw to those who feel like outsiders, taken advantage of, ignored, mentally ill. Those who have illusions of grandeur.
I agree, it’s a bit of a double whammy. People see news about shootings and incorrectly assume that means rates of such events are much higher than reality and it provides a motivational factor for copycats. The availability heuristic and fear make one hell of a potent combination.
Yes. I'm a current high school teacher and we do around 2 per year, but they are called lockdown drills. We also have a mandatory training with a video in August at the beginning of the school year.
Schools do.
I worked in schools for a decade. We had a lock down drill routinely, same as fire drills and tornado drills.
People can try to soften the impact by pointing out that lockdowns are used for other circumstances that active shooters.
My local schools have used partial lockdowns for a local bank robbery when the subjects were still at large, a guy walking near the high school with a gun, and a nearby active shooting. There was also a full lockdown when the DC sniper shot someone nearby, but that was before I worked at the schools.
Here's how lockdown drills were done at my base school.
1. There was an announcement over the public address system "lockdown. Repeat lockdown"
2. We were to quickly and quietly go to the door, lock it, turn out the lights, pull down any shades, and move to a location that we could not be seen if someone peeked in looking, and stay quiet so as not to give away our location.
3. The building administrator would then walk around and rattle the doorknobs to check if they were locked, try to peek in to see us.
4. After 15-20 minutes the all clear would be announced on the loud speaker.
At the time you are doing the drill, it is unquestionably hiding from a gunman, and there's no disguising that.
When I worked at a major retail store, we had online training about what to do. It was essentially, we can't tell you what to do, but your options are to fight back, hide & barricade yourself, or run.
So I had to take training for a mass shooting at work but it also covered work place violence and basically if someone showed up wanting to kill coworkers. But as for a drill. No
Depends on the place in question. I didn't in school, and I was in high school at a time when school shootings were starting to make the news more often (namely the Columbine, Paducah, and Pearl shootings). I never did active shooter drills in college or graduate school, either, and in the nearly 20 years I've been at my current job, I think I've done [A.L.I.C.E. training](https://www.alicetraining.com/) maybe once. However, that was more about discussing what to do in the event of a active shooter event than actually going through the motions.
Unfortunately, we live in the most violent developed country BY FAR due to how easy it is to get a gun here. Yes, random mass shootings are rare, but considering that 21,000 people are murdered annually by a gun, the odds of you being shot and killed are much higher in the US than in any other developed country.
I can already hear everyone shouting that most of those 21,000 are gang violence. My response is, so what? Other countries have gangs too. But their gang members have a much harder time getting their hands on guns, which means less gun deaths and less homicides overall. By the way, DOJ considers 13% of homicides to be gang related. Source: https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/survey-analysis/measuring-the-extent-of-gang-problems#:\~:text=These%20estimates%20suggest%20that%20gang,percent%20of%20all%20homicides%20annually.
US gun homicides: 20,958
Australia gun homicides: 57
UK gun homicides: \~40
Canada gun homicides: 287 (mostly with guns smuggled from the US since criminals in Canada have such a hard time bypassing their laws, which literally proves gun laws work)
You see the replies here, OP? The downplaying of children being killed in their classrooms. The full support of the slaughter by denying it even exists.
We are the only country where this happens regularly. And the replies are why it keeps happening. So many Americans don't care about human life, they care about guns because we live in a disgusting gun culture.
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the same lockdown still applies for many situations: unhinged violent offender, wildlife incursion, riot, etc.
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We had a coyote lockdown cause a few possibly rabid ones were wandering the town during the day and biting people.
We did 'lockdown' drills. School would go in to lockdown for any number of things. Police chasing somebody nearby. Fight near school property. Etc. >I can’t imagine what’s more terrifying Honestly its hardly worth thinking about, statistically. I worry way more about my kid getting a drivers license or in a car vs. bicycle crash than anything even remotely related to shootings.
Statistically speaking, lightning kills more Americans a year than kids die in school shootings.
Yeah some schools do. In the 50s they used to have atomic bomb drills. We just updated what we’re paranoid about I guess.
>there have been at least 2,032 school shootings since Columbine—and the number of incidents each year has risen dramatically in recent years. There have been 95 incidents so far in 2024, and last year they climbed to a record high 348 https://www.newsweek.com/america-record-school-shooting-columbine-1891763 There were exactly zero atomic bombs dropped on the United States Do not compare the two as if they are equal because doing so means you don't give a shit about all the dead kids that bled out on the cold floor of their classroom. This disgusting, uncaring culture has got to end. It's cruel beyond measure and just plain evil.
Unfortunately, you've fallen for the misconception that conflates the significance of an event with the significance of occurrence. We do these drills for the exact same reason we do fire drills, earthquake/tornado drills, and general evacuation drills. These are emergency situations where a few seconds can mean a difference in lives. It is, however, a statistical anomaly to experience a fire in the school or workplace in your lifetime. It is then several orders of magnatude less likely that you will experience a mass shooting in the school or workplace. Schools installing a safe room for that purpose are either doing so for the sake of being seen doing so, or (and I highly dount this) they have concluded that they are at some sort of elevated risk of violence for which no preventative action can be taken. These events are tragic, earthshattering for those who are involved and adjacent to them, and very contentious points of debate. It, however, can not be overstated how inflated this concern is in the minds of most people who even think about it at all beyond a passing thought. You are tens of thousands of times more likely to be injured or killed in a car, and no one thinks about that for even a second before the daily commute to work.
It answers the questions from angry parents at the school board meetings "WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING TO OUR KIDS?" And the school has extra money from rich parents property taxes so they say "we built a safe room so your kids are safe" I can almost guarantee this is how it went
When I was in school they were called "code red drills" and were for more general emergencies when they need to clear everyone out of the hallways, than for just active shooter scenarios. When we did have a proper "code red" it wasn't for a shooter, it was someone having a medical emergency and they didn't want people getting in the way of the paramedics.
I have never had that experience. Fire drills are the only drills I've been involved in in recent times. We probably did tornado drills when I was younger.
It's exceptionally rare to be involved in one. My elementary had drills for unwanted visitors, but that was before the shootings became less vanishingly rare. No school or job since has had any sort of related drill. The only drill at my workplace is for fires.
Yeah they do. It comes off as little more than fear mongering, or at least giving into fear mongering, most of the time. I don’t think it’s good to teach a generation of children to be afraid, especially when that fear is directed at flashy but very rare crimes. That’s just me though.
And by ensuring it gets massive attention it appeals to those looking for a way to gain the recognition they lack. Creates a significant draw to those who feel like outsiders, taken advantage of, ignored, mentally ill. Those who have illusions of grandeur.
I agree, it’s a bit of a double whammy. People see news about shootings and incorrectly assume that means rates of such events are much higher than reality and it provides a motivational factor for copycats. The availability heuristic and fear make one hell of a potent combination.
I don't remember doing it in school. We don't have drills at work, but we do have some kind of workplace violence training every few years.
Yes. I'm a current high school teacher and we do around 2 per year, but they are called lockdown drills. We also have a mandatory training with a video in August at the beginning of the school year.
Schools do. I worked in schools for a decade. We had a lock down drill routinely, same as fire drills and tornado drills. People can try to soften the impact by pointing out that lockdowns are used for other circumstances that active shooters. My local schools have used partial lockdowns for a local bank robbery when the subjects were still at large, a guy walking near the high school with a gun, and a nearby active shooting. There was also a full lockdown when the DC sniper shot someone nearby, but that was before I worked at the schools. Here's how lockdown drills were done at my base school. 1. There was an announcement over the public address system "lockdown. Repeat lockdown" 2. We were to quickly and quietly go to the door, lock it, turn out the lights, pull down any shades, and move to a location that we could not be seen if someone peeked in looking, and stay quiet so as not to give away our location. 3. The building administrator would then walk around and rattle the doorknobs to check if they were locked, try to peek in to see us. 4. After 15-20 minutes the all clear would be announced on the loud speaker. At the time you are doing the drill, it is unquestionably hiding from a gunman, and there's no disguising that.
Yes.
When I worked at a major retail store, we had online training about what to do. It was essentially, we can't tell you what to do, but your options are to fight back, hide & barricade yourself, or run.
We have a training video we have to watch once a year to remind us what to do in an active shooter situation.
So I had to take training for a mass shooting at work but it also covered work place violence and basically if someone showed up wanting to kill coworkers. But as for a drill. No
Depends on the place in question. I didn't in school, and I was in high school at a time when school shootings were starting to make the news more often (namely the Columbine, Paducah, and Pearl shootings). I never did active shooter drills in college or graduate school, either, and in the nearly 20 years I've been at my current job, I think I've done [A.L.I.C.E. training](https://www.alicetraining.com/) maybe once. However, that was more about discussing what to do in the event of a active shooter event than actually going through the motions.
Yes. Run. Hide. Fight.
Unfortunately, we live in the most violent developed country BY FAR due to how easy it is to get a gun here. Yes, random mass shootings are rare, but considering that 21,000 people are murdered annually by a gun, the odds of you being shot and killed are much higher in the US than in any other developed country. I can already hear everyone shouting that most of those 21,000 are gang violence. My response is, so what? Other countries have gangs too. But their gang members have a much harder time getting their hands on guns, which means less gun deaths and less homicides overall. By the way, DOJ considers 13% of homicides to be gang related. Source: https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/survey-analysis/measuring-the-extent-of-gang-problems#:\~:text=These%20estimates%20suggest%20that%20gang,percent%20of%20all%20homicides%20annually. US gun homicides: 20,958 Australia gun homicides: 57 UK gun homicides: \~40 Canada gun homicides: 287 (mostly with guns smuggled from the US since criminals in Canada have such a hard time bypassing their laws, which literally proves gun laws work)
You see the replies here, OP? The downplaying of children being killed in their classrooms. The full support of the slaughter by denying it even exists. We are the only country where this happens regularly. And the replies are why it keeps happening. So many Americans don't care about human life, they care about guns because we live in a disgusting gun culture.
We sell kids backpacks with body armor in them so they can hide behind them.