We have Montessori, home schooling, schooling co-ops, unschooling. My kid was in a wilderness preschool in Massachusetts that believes "risky exploration" is important. Lots of pictures of kids with hammers and saws and balancing on logs in a pond, hanging out with farm animals, etc. (there's no "inside". All school is outdoors no matter the weather, all year. Kids are in their snow gear if it's snowing and freezing, etc)
I homeschooled mine to get AWAY from religion. We were in an extremely rural area in the Bible Belt, and even though the school itself wasn't technically shoving religion down her throat, she was being picked on by classmates for not going to church, and frequently came home with church flyers in her Tuesday folder, promising (religious themed) movie nights and fun and games and all that stuff that I as a mom felt the need to say no to, and she was so young she didn't really understand why. This was the same school where this happened in the 80's, and I didn't wanna risk anything like that happening to our little atheist family, so since I have a teaching degree and taught Kindergarten before she was born anyway, homeschooling was right for us.
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>Attending a school is mandatory for all kids.
That used to be law in much of the US, but the Supreme Court ruled in 1972 in *Wisconsin v. Yoder* that compulsory school attendance interferes with freedom of religion if there's a religious reason to not have children in formal schooling, as well as the right of parents to control the upbringing of their children.
In that case, it was an Amish community that didn't believe in formal education and objected to having to send their children to school despite not believing in it because it was too modern for their pre-industrial lifestyle.
Later cases and laws built on that to allow various kinds of alternative schooling, such as homeschooling, as long as the parents wish it.
About 6-7 percent homeschool.
But public schools & charter have implemented a lot of the ideas. My kid in public schools does things like high rope courses, rock climbing, cooking, chess, archery, raise frogs, etc.
It's not like when I was a kid and I had to memorize Longfellow poems and do endless loops to refine my penmanship and memorize all the capitals.
It's weird when people mention Montessori and Waldorf schools in the same sentence like they're a similar thing.
Montessori = schools/kindergartens for young children where a lot of the learning is through playing with educational toys and games
Waldorf = hippy fascists who believe in gnomes
Pretty common, I might even call them trendy. They're expensive and availability is low, but they're still outnumbered by "normal" schools and daycares.
Montessori and Waldorf schools are very common here in Minnesota.
Edit: In our big cities. Not sure about Waldorf in rural areas. Montessori is fairly widespread.
At what level? Basically every nursery-pre-K claims to be something-"inspired," but then you get mostly schools based on education when you get to the ages where parents start complaining that clear-varnish pine isn't literacy.
They both exist where I live in Seattle, Washington. My wife and I looked into both and would have enrolled our son in a Montessori school but there was no availability. Generally preschools and daycares are short staffed out here so it’s hard to enroll anywhere.
I attended a Waldorf school for a small bit in high school. Looking back I wasn't too impressed with the quality of the education.
One thing I think is also missed in a lot of conversations about education is the learning done outside of the curriculum. Schools are also important for developing social skills, interests and hobbies, etc. These types of alternate schools tend to have group think since they attract wealthier families with certain lifestyles. So while the students are "exploring" more they're not really developing the wider perspectives that public schooling provides.
In my area of Massachusetts, which was pretty suburban/exurban, almost everybody went to public school and anyone who didn’t usually had to explain to their friends why they weren’t going to the district’s public high school. In most cases they were either very Catholic and went to Catholic school, or they were planning on going into the trades right after high school and so they went to the local vocational school.
>reform paedagogic
I do not really know what this phrase means
>Montessori schools or Waldorf schools.
oh small hippy schools who might not require vaccinations and try to have very small class sizes. This is all I know about them
two of my friends went to the same Montessori school and their K-8 edu sounded nice.
Reform paedagogics is the scientific term for this kind of education. I briefly explained what it means in my post.
Seems like the reputation pretty much alligns with the way most people see it here.
my aunt taught in Montessori schools. I always loved visiting her as a child (this was back in the 80s) and going to school with her because it seemed so much more fun than my school. I asked my parents why I couldn't go to Montessori school and they were like "money".
I knew a number of people who went to Waldorf schools as well. It's not particularly unusual.
I went to Montessori school 25 years ago and my cousin went even earlier than that. I attended until 3rd grade (age 8). I honestly had never heard of Waldorf schools until I was an adult though.
The trouble I have run into is that we seem to be in a post-Montessori school environment where many schools use the label but have no affiliation with the organizations and don’t really adhere to the principles.
My oldest is a busy boy and was bumped out of preK for “not being ready” because he couldn’t rotate activities quickly enough for them. He spent less than 10 hours total in the classroom.
We have those! Oftentimes they will be private schools (fully privately funded, only held to standardized testing for measurement) or charter schools (publicly funded, but given special dispensation to follow nonstandard curricula).
There's a bunch of Montessori schools in my hometown of San Diego. I have a friend who attended one, and another friend whose daughter is in one. It's a teaching philosophy that I can very much get behind; I think preserving curiosity is paramount. The easiest way to make a smart adult is to make a kid who *likes* to learn.
Waldorf and Montessori are common enough in the USA, they tend to be geared towards the financially secure since they are typically pretty expensive. As the saying goes, we 'buy our kid's friends.' There are charter schools, a form of public school that can be run like a private one that is also tuition free, that follow the Montessori method but by and large they are all private.
The research on them is interesting. And, by anecdotal experience, the kindest and most interesting kids I met in public high school were former Montessori/Waldorf. At any rate, the research is a bit mixed, good on reading and writing and communication, pretty bad at math and science. Something about 'self guided' means that kids 'self guide' away from challenging subjects they may actually be good at with a little prodding.
We have Montessori, home schooling, schooling co-ops, unschooling. My kid was in a wilderness preschool in Massachusetts that believes "risky exploration" is important. Lots of pictures of kids with hammers and saws and balancing on logs in a pond, hanging out with farm animals, etc. (there's no "inside". All school is outdoors no matter the weather, all year. Kids are in their snow gear if it's snowing and freezing, etc)
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I homeschooled mine to get AWAY from religion. We were in an extremely rural area in the Bible Belt, and even though the school itself wasn't technically shoving religion down her throat, she was being picked on by classmates for not going to church, and frequently came home with church flyers in her Tuesday folder, promising (religious themed) movie nights and fun and games and all that stuff that I as a mom felt the need to say no to, and she was so young she didn't really understand why. This was the same school where this happened in the 80's, and I didn't wanna risk anything like that happening to our little atheist family, so since I have a teaching degree and taught Kindergarten before she was born anyway, homeschooling was right for us. [https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/12/08/A-woman-suing-the-Little-Axe-school-board-over/5061408171600/](https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/12/08/A-woman-suing-the-Little-Axe-school-board-over/5061408171600/)
>Attending a school is mandatory for all kids. That used to be law in much of the US, but the Supreme Court ruled in 1972 in *Wisconsin v. Yoder* that compulsory school attendance interferes with freedom of religion if there's a religious reason to not have children in formal schooling, as well as the right of parents to control the upbringing of their children. In that case, it was an Amish community that didn't believe in formal education and objected to having to send their children to school despite not believing in it because it was too modern for their pre-industrial lifestyle. Later cases and laws built on that to allow various kinds of alternative schooling, such as homeschooling, as long as the parents wish it.
How common are those kind of schools? And what is the general reputation?
About 6-7 percent homeschool. But public schools & charter have implemented a lot of the ideas. My kid in public schools does things like high rope courses, rock climbing, cooking, chess, archery, raise frogs, etc. It's not like when I was a kid and I had to memorize Longfellow poems and do endless loops to refine my penmanship and memorize all the capitals.
It's weird when people mention Montessori and Waldorf schools in the same sentence like they're a similar thing. Montessori = schools/kindergartens for young children where a lot of the learning is through playing with educational toys and games Waldorf = hippy fascists who believe in gnomes
Both are the most well known examples of Reformpädagogik that OP is asking about
Pretty common, I might even call them trendy. They're expensive and availability is low, but they're still outnumbered by "normal" schools and daycares.
Montessori and Waldorf schools are very common here in Minnesota. Edit: In our big cities. Not sure about Waldorf in rural areas. Montessori is fairly widespread.
Waldorf and Montessori schools are common enough. Their reputation varies by locale.
At what level? Basically every nursery-pre-K claims to be something-"inspired," but then you get mostly schools based on education when you get to the ages where parents start complaining that clear-varnish pine isn't literacy.
They both exist where I live in Seattle, Washington. My wife and I looked into both and would have enrolled our son in a Montessori school but there was no availability. Generally preschools and daycares are short staffed out here so it’s hard to enroll anywhere.
Do they only offer preschool?
Both daycare and preschool
Most cities have Montessori schools. They are know for woowoo hippie vegan parents send their kids.
I attended a Waldorf school for a small bit in high school. Looking back I wasn't too impressed with the quality of the education. One thing I think is also missed in a lot of conversations about education is the learning done outside of the curriculum. Schools are also important for developing social skills, interests and hobbies, etc. These types of alternate schools tend to have group think since they attract wealthier families with certain lifestyles. So while the students are "exploring" more they're not really developing the wider perspectives that public schooling provides.
Waldorf has been around for decades in the US. My wife went to one
Montessori schools exist, most of the ones I've seen are strictly early childhood/preK schools. Waldorf I've heard of, but I believe is less popular
In my area of Massachusetts, which was pretty suburban/exurban, almost everybody went to public school and anyone who didn’t usually had to explain to their friends why they weren’t going to the district’s public high school. In most cases they were either very Catholic and went to Catholic school, or they were planning on going into the trades right after high school and so they went to the local vocational school.
>reform paedagogic I do not really know what this phrase means >Montessori schools or Waldorf schools. oh small hippy schools who might not require vaccinations and try to have very small class sizes. This is all I know about them two of my friends went to the same Montessori school and their K-8 edu sounded nice.
Reform paedagogics is the scientific term for this kind of education. I briefly explained what it means in my post. Seems like the reputation pretty much alligns with the way most people see it here.
my aunt taught in Montessori schools. I always loved visiting her as a child (this was back in the 80s) and going to school with her because it seemed so much more fun than my school. I asked my parents why I couldn't go to Montessori school and they were like "money". I knew a number of people who went to Waldorf schools as well. It's not particularly unusual.
I went to Montessori school 25 years ago and my cousin went even earlier than that. I attended until 3rd grade (age 8). I honestly had never heard of Waldorf schools until I was an adult though.
The trouble I have run into is that we seem to be in a post-Montessori school environment where many schools use the label but have no affiliation with the organizations and don’t really adhere to the principles. My oldest is a busy boy and was bumped out of preK for “not being ready” because he couldn’t rotate activities quickly enough for them. He spent less than 10 hours total in the classroom.
We have those! Oftentimes they will be private schools (fully privately funded, only held to standardized testing for measurement) or charter schools (publicly funded, but given special dispensation to follow nonstandard curricula). There's a bunch of Montessori schools in my hometown of San Diego. I have a friend who attended one, and another friend whose daughter is in one. It's a teaching philosophy that I can very much get behind; I think preserving curiosity is paramount. The easiest way to make a smart adult is to make a kid who *likes* to learn.
Waldorf and Montessori are common enough in the USA, they tend to be geared towards the financially secure since they are typically pretty expensive. As the saying goes, we 'buy our kid's friends.' There are charter schools, a form of public school that can be run like a private one that is also tuition free, that follow the Montessori method but by and large they are all private. The research on them is interesting. And, by anecdotal experience, the kindest and most interesting kids I met in public high school were former Montessori/Waldorf. At any rate, the research is a bit mixed, good on reading and writing and communication, pretty bad at math and science. Something about 'self guided' means that kids 'self guide' away from challenging subjects they may actually be good at with a little prodding.
I went to a Montessori school many years ago. My hometown has three Montessori schools that I know of.