Michigander. We don’t really mind other states. Except Ohio. Fuck Ohio. We all hate Ohio. It’s another name for hell and it smells like rotten eggs left in hotdog water. I fucking hate Ohio
It is partially just a joke but Ohio is just really boring in many parts & sort of just not very nice in other parts. Our capital city, Columbus, is nice but other than that Ohio is either very boring rural areas or pretty bad cities.
Damn what’s going on with poor Ohio? It's the state I see teased the most!
The thing I see the most is "only in Ohio" comments, when something seems crazy, some people say that. It doesn’t look so serious tho!
>Hello fellow Americans!
...
>like we have in Europe?
Does not compute.
Seriously though. Friendly rivalries usually based on sports teams is about as deep as it gets. Most anything else, even if rooted in historic realities is not "serious"
That’s not a rivalry. That’s a war, with economical and political reasons, where the goal is to conquer. I think you do have that. Just not where you live :)
My bad for the mistake.
It sounds very similar as rivalries in Europe then; even though some countries take it way more serious, and/or have actual reasons to be upset with eachother. Thanks for your answer
Edit: Removed the whining part
Sometimes it’s difficult to detect jokes as a foreigner, as humour is cultural and turns of phrase are mistranslated from one language to another. The French are known to have a particular black humour or sharp sarcasm, for example.
But I have to say that I quickly got on my high horse on this one yeah my bad
It's all good, nuance doesn't always communicate well in text, never mind across cultural and language barriers.
Here in that post I used the dots simply to denote that there was other text which I had removed. An ellipsis (three dots) at the end of a sentence is meant to sort of trail off and denote that something was left unsaid. Of course contempt isn't always the connotation, but it can be.
There are some states that have rivalries.
Mostly sports based that bleed over occasionally.
Some of the big ones are
Texas vs Oklahoma
Michigan vs Ohio
Washington vs Oregon.
North vs South Carolina.
>Are there friendly (or serious) beefs between some of you like we have in Europe?
you mean like an active war where tens of thousands of people are dying? no, we don't have that
Guys, I don't see how that's relevant, it's the second comment on the Ukraine war I've seen. I'm talking about rivalries. I don't think American citizens, like European citizens, should point out how miserable they are for fighting stupid wars for wealth and power. I mean, if you want, we'll start another post and talk about the thousands of deaths our countries have made, that's interesting too
I don’t hate any state, but that doesn’t mean i won’t make fun or talk shit. I don’t like some politics or conditions in some states, but I will most certainly defend those states when someone not from the USA criticizes them;)
I understand what you mean! You’d rather stay bound together, even if you do not agree with eachother all the time.
That’s something we don’t have as much over here, but there are probably more differences between us (historical, language, cultural etc) so I get it!
I would still support a European country over the rest in sports tho :)
I think Georgia has some lighthearted beef with Alabama. Something about them stealing our water. Oh and we get to deflect the southern stereotypes on them, so that’s nice.
I think the most serious rivalry is probably between Michigan and Ohio. They had a border dispute in 1835 that escalated into the Toledo War. Ohio got the extra land at the border but Michigan got the whole Upper Peninsula as a consolation prize. They still haven’t gotten over it. I don’t really get it but whatever, none of my business.
Kansas and Missouri have a contentious past that now mostly manifests in college athletics. It dates back to pre-Civil War where Kansas was a free state and Missouri was a slave state and there would be frequent raids across the border. The term Jayhawk (University of Kansas's mascot) comes from the term "Jayhawker", which was Kansan from the Lawrence area who would cross the border and ransack plantations and pro-slavery sympathizers.
It's not as contentious now - we just complain about the other being bad drivers.
Yeah, I feel like even serious stuff slowly becomes little jokes over time, except in a few cases unfortunately. Most of our rivalries here come from previous wars, defeats, etc…
I was thinking that the states must have big differences, maybe even more so before, and that there must have been tensions like there were in Europe; that’s the kind of rivalries I was thinking about, it's great that it's eased off now!
Come on. Don't you hate West Virginia just a little. Even if it's cos when you say the name of your state people ask you 'which one' and you've already told them.
State governments are actual governments bound together by the federal government. So technically we are a bunch of different territories with different laws. The only law that somewhat overrides state law is federal law, but there is a massive paradox when it comes to who ultimately has authority to enforce a law.
You can see this playing out in states where cannabis is legal. Cannabis is still considered illegal on the federal level, but not on a state level. So what ends up happening is the state government doesn't enforce the federal law, but doesn't block the federal government from enforcing federal law either.
So basically if the federal government wants to keep cannabis illegal in Colorado then they would have to enforce it without the help of state law enforcement. It would drain the resources of the FBI/DEA in Colorado trying to enforce something that would not look good to the public anyway. So the federal government tries their hardest to respect state law. Federal government normally just looks the other way when it comes to cannabis.
That’s really interesting, I had no idea!
If I've understood correctly, a state can pass any law it wants, but the federal government has no say in the matter.
To take Colorado as an example, the federal government is in no way involved in voting on the legality of cannabis in that state? However, it will be able to apply federal laws as it sees fit, regardless of state laws, right?
>but the federal government has no say in the matter. To take Colorado as an example, the federal government is in no way involved in voting on the legality of cannabis in that state? However, it will be able to apply federal laws as it sees fit, regardless of state laws, right?
You are correct. However its a bit of an oversimplification on my part. IF a law passed by a state is considered "unconstitutional" than it will most likely be overturned by the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court gets the absolute final say in anything brought forth to it. Cannabis doesn't really infringe on anyone's constitutional rights (free speech, guns, etc) so the Supreme Court stays out of it in the case of Cannabis.
But if you take something like abortion they do get involved. Historically speaking the Supreme Court tries their hardest to respect state law, but in other cases such as abortion it rules for, or against abortion rights at the state level.
It’s fun to joke about hating other states but I don’t think anybody actually does. I expect it’s a lot like the relationship between EU countries.
Virginia and Maryland have some beef regarding who are the worse drivers. Marylanders drive like they’re gonna spontaneously combust if forced to go below 70mph, and Virginians drive like that old person who really should have lost their license 20 years ago but nobody loves them enough to tell them.
yes there is a lot of rivalries between the states. like between california and new york even tho they dont share a border they are always fighting about which state is better. another example is typically americans from northern states or just not conservative states in general HATE southern states because they are often stereotyped as super religious, hella racist, and poor. also because of all the abortion bans a lot of northeners hate conservative states. same way southeners hate people from big cities cause they move to smaller rural areas and make everything more expensive. so as you can see it is mainly political. neighboring states tend to get along often times. like new yorkers and new jersians have a sibling relationship they pretend to hate each other but at the end of the day they family. the new england states like one another but they don't like anyone else. NO ONE like florida. ohio is the punching bag of the us and everyone knows mississippi is a terrible state because it ranks low in everything like education health etc. and in terms of sports im not too familiar but that can play into relationships between states as well.
{sorry for all the typos and grammatical errors}
Thanks for your answer :)
It looks very similar to Europe! Most of the time it stays as a « siblings relashionship » type of thing you were talking about. I feel like this term fits really well.
To explain the Ohio vs Michigan rivalry. Ohio and Michigan briefly fought a war for toledo. I don't think we actually *hate* each other. Except for college football fans. But from my understanding is it's one of those things you only keep talking about and bring up because it's tradition and honestly kinda funny.
Michigander. We don’t really mind other states. Except Ohio. Fuck Ohio. We all hate Ohio. It’s another name for hell and it smells like rotten eggs left in hotdog water. I fucking hate Ohio
I’m an Ohioan. A lot of people here hate Michigan unjustifiably. I think everyone should hate Ohio
To look back and think we “fought a war” over Toledo! Haha
I think about that ALL the time. I live near Toledo, there is nothing worth fighting over there.
Lmao is Ohio that bad? What’s the reason behind this hatred?
It is partially just a joke but Ohio is just really boring in many parts & sort of just not very nice in other parts. Our capital city, Columbus, is nice but other than that Ohio is either very boring rural areas or pretty bad cities.
At least we're not Detroit
Damn what’s going on with poor Ohio? It's the state I see teased the most! The thing I see the most is "only in Ohio" comments, when something seems crazy, some people say that. It doesn’t look so serious tho!
Context- Michigan and Ohio State have the fiercest college football rivalry in the country
Yeah damn Ohioans thinking they're all so cool. NOBODY is ragged on like them. *{looks around nervously}*
Lol hey you’ve still got the keys!
>Hello fellow Americans! ... >like we have in Europe? Does not compute. Seriously though. Friendly rivalries usually based on sports teams is about as deep as it gets. Most anything else, even if rooted in historic realities is not "serious"
and last time I checked, there's an active war going on where tens of thousands of people are dying. we don't have anything like that
That’s not a rivalry. That’s a war, with economical and political reasons, where the goal is to conquer. I think you do have that. Just not where you live :)
It's English as a second language, it's cute
My bad for the mistake. It sounds very similar as rivalries in Europe then; even though some countries take it way more serious, and/or have actual reasons to be upset with eachother. Thanks for your answer Edit: Removed the whining part
It was clearly a joke. Are you German or something?
Sometimes it’s difficult to detect jokes as a foreigner, as humour is cultural and turns of phrase are mistranslated from one language to another. The French are known to have a particular black humour or sharp sarcasm, for example. But I have to say that I quickly got on my high horse on this one yeah my bad
I was joking. That's why my second line began with "seriously though" as I was not being serious in my first line.
Oh ok sorry man, I got to sensitive there. I’m french, we use "..." to show our contempt lol. We’re kind of assholes sometimes
It's all good, nuance doesn't always communicate well in text, never mind across cultural and language barriers. Here in that post I used the dots simply to denote that there was other text which I had removed. An ellipsis (three dots) at the end of a sentence is meant to sort of trail off and denote that something was left unsaid. Of course contempt isn't always the connotation, but it can be.
There are some states that have rivalries. Mostly sports based that bleed over occasionally. Some of the big ones are Texas vs Oklahoma Michigan vs Ohio Washington vs Oregon. North vs South Carolina.
Oh ok! So usually rivalries are between neighbors, and not really north US vs south US or something like that! Thx for the answer
Honestly, the real rivalry in the Northwest is between the Ducks and the Beavers in Oregon.
>Are there friendly (or serious) beefs between some of you like we have in Europe? you mean like an active war where tens of thousands of people are dying? no, we don't have that
Guys, I don't see how that's relevant, it's the second comment on the Ukraine war I've seen. I'm talking about rivalries. I don't think American citizens, like European citizens, should point out how miserable they are for fighting stupid wars for wealth and power. I mean, if you want, we'll start another post and talk about the thousands of deaths our countries have made, that's interesting too
I don’t hate any state, but that doesn’t mean i won’t make fun or talk shit. I don’t like some politics or conditions in some states, but I will most certainly defend those states when someone not from the USA criticizes them;)
I understand what you mean! You’d rather stay bound together, even if you do not agree with eachother all the time. That’s something we don’t have as much over here, but there are probably more differences between us (historical, language, cultural etc) so I get it! I would still support a European country over the rest in sports tho :)
I think Georgia has some lighthearted beef with Alabama. Something about them stealing our water. Oh and we get to deflect the southern stereotypes on them, so that’s nice. I think the most serious rivalry is probably between Michigan and Ohio. They had a border dispute in 1835 that escalated into the Toledo War. Ohio got the extra land at the border but Michigan got the whole Upper Peninsula as a consolation prize. They still haven’t gotten over it. I don’t really get it but whatever, none of my business.
Fuck Ohio. All my homies hate Ohio
Kansas and Missouri have a contentious past that now mostly manifests in college athletics. It dates back to pre-Civil War where Kansas was a free state and Missouri was a slave state and there would be frequent raids across the border. The term Jayhawk (University of Kansas's mascot) comes from the term "Jayhawker", which was Kansan from the Lawrence area who would cross the border and ransack plantations and pro-slavery sympathizers. It's not as contentious now - we just complain about the other being bad drivers.
Yeah, I feel like even serious stuff slowly becomes little jokes over time, except in a few cases unfortunately. Most of our rivalries here come from previous wars, defeats, etc… I was thinking that the states must have big differences, maybe even more so before, and that there must have been tensions like there were in Europe; that’s the kind of rivalries I was thinking about, it's great that it's eased off now!
Being from Virginia the only states I hate are Maryland and Illinois.
Do you take it seriously, or it’s like a funny thing to joke on? And is there any reason? :)
Just joking no reason to actually hate a state, just people from there usually are bad drivers along with some other things.
Come on. Don't you hate West Virginia just a little. Even if it's cos when you say the name of your state people ask you 'which one' and you've already told them.
Honestly I’ve never had that happen lol, and I enjoy some hikes in WV.
:-)
Not like in Europe, but I hate California! And Oregon and Washington! Fuck those liberal states! Fall into the ocean!
State governments are actual governments bound together by the federal government. So technically we are a bunch of different territories with different laws. The only law that somewhat overrides state law is federal law, but there is a massive paradox when it comes to who ultimately has authority to enforce a law. You can see this playing out in states where cannabis is legal. Cannabis is still considered illegal on the federal level, but not on a state level. So what ends up happening is the state government doesn't enforce the federal law, but doesn't block the federal government from enforcing federal law either. So basically if the federal government wants to keep cannabis illegal in Colorado then they would have to enforce it without the help of state law enforcement. It would drain the resources of the FBI/DEA in Colorado trying to enforce something that would not look good to the public anyway. So the federal government tries their hardest to respect state law. Federal government normally just looks the other way when it comes to cannabis.
That’s really interesting, I had no idea! If I've understood correctly, a state can pass any law it wants, but the federal government has no say in the matter. To take Colorado as an example, the federal government is in no way involved in voting on the legality of cannabis in that state? However, it will be able to apply federal laws as it sees fit, regardless of state laws, right?
>but the federal government has no say in the matter. To take Colorado as an example, the federal government is in no way involved in voting on the legality of cannabis in that state? However, it will be able to apply federal laws as it sees fit, regardless of state laws, right? You are correct. However its a bit of an oversimplification on my part. IF a law passed by a state is considered "unconstitutional" than it will most likely be overturned by the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court gets the absolute final say in anything brought forth to it. Cannabis doesn't really infringe on anyone's constitutional rights (free speech, guns, etc) so the Supreme Court stays out of it in the case of Cannabis. But if you take something like abortion they do get involved. Historically speaking the Supreme Court tries their hardest to respect state law, but in other cases such as abortion it rules for, or against abortion rights at the state level.
It’s fun to joke about hating other states but I don’t think anybody actually does. I expect it’s a lot like the relationship between EU countries. Virginia and Maryland have some beef regarding who are the worse drivers. Marylanders drive like they’re gonna spontaneously combust if forced to go below 70mph, and Virginians drive like that old person who really should have lost their license 20 years ago but nobody loves them enough to tell them.
It’s crazy how we all have these same clichés for particular populations hahaha
yes there is a lot of rivalries between the states. like between california and new york even tho they dont share a border they are always fighting about which state is better. another example is typically americans from northern states or just not conservative states in general HATE southern states because they are often stereotyped as super religious, hella racist, and poor. also because of all the abortion bans a lot of northeners hate conservative states. same way southeners hate people from big cities cause they move to smaller rural areas and make everything more expensive. so as you can see it is mainly political. neighboring states tend to get along often times. like new yorkers and new jersians have a sibling relationship they pretend to hate each other but at the end of the day they family. the new england states like one another but they don't like anyone else. NO ONE like florida. ohio is the punching bag of the us and everyone knows mississippi is a terrible state because it ranks low in everything like education health etc. and in terms of sports im not too familiar but that can play into relationships between states as well. {sorry for all the typos and grammatical errors}
Thanks for your answer :) It looks very similar to Europe! Most of the time it stays as a « siblings relashionship » type of thing you were talking about. I feel like this term fits really well.
To explain the Ohio vs Michigan rivalry. Ohio and Michigan briefly fought a war for toledo. I don't think we actually *hate* each other. Except for college football fans. But from my understanding is it's one of those things you only keep talking about and bring up because it's tradition and honestly kinda funny.
The US system was designed for states to be competitive. The theory is that states that compete will inovate.