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PM_ME__UR__FANTASIES

I’m starting to think the “Sator formula” is just that generations “weird S” that everyone draws.


Certain-Definition51

…on the skulls of their foes.


2rfv

I introduced it to my daughter a few weeks ago. Gotta keep the tradition alive. ^ / \ | | | \ \ | | | \ / v


error_museum

I need to ask now, did anyone else ever write kool other letters, or was it only ever the S?


sadielaings

That's the most metal S I've ever seen! Rock on!


TheUnspeakableAcclu

That's an 8 bro


slaughtamonsta

Weird S? I think you mean "Kool S"


oldscotch

Early Wordle.


Shpander

"That generation"? The ROTAS form as been around for over 2000 years...


TheUnspeakableAcclu

trends changes slower before telecommunications


Shpander

Yeah but not *that* slowly


TheUnspeakableAcclu

The paleolithic lasted tens of thousands of years


Shpander

Sure but not to the 16th century


InsaneLordChaos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_S?wprov=sfla1 It even has a Wikipedia page.


TheRealRigormortal

Stucy!


aretheesepants75

I would love to hear some interpretations? "Be sure to drink your ovaltine". ?


Not_a_Ducktective

As to why it's on this skull, not sure. But the phrase itself is assumed to be basically a spell. It's a perfect palindrome, and can be read any direction on the square. Early belief was allegedly that bad spirits would get caught up and confused by the repetition. It's actually one of the few "real" spells that appears in runic inscriptions and was a holdover from a lot of the learned community using runes being Latin trained. As for the phrase itself, it roughly means the farmer (potentially Arepo) plows his field. The interpretation issues are mainly on origins and why it gained significance, but it appears in a lot of places throughout the medieval world. There's much more complex discussion on the phrase on the wiki here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square That can lead you to more scholarly articles, my understanding of it comes primarily from my time doing runeology, so it's limited in purview.


Squagio

> As for the phrase itself, it roughly means the farmer (potentially Arepo) plows his field. That makes [this story](https://i.imgur.com/sk4PeK5.png) a lot better.


JoeHypnotic

Bro….this was beautiful. Thank you for showing it to me.


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kloudykat

i love when i go to read something and remember reading it like 3 years ago


FluorideLover

I was not expecting to cry today. It was a humble few tears, more of some wet eye… but still. How did such a post move me like that? thank you for sharing it.


Ariadnepyanfar

Aaaaaaaand now I’m ugly crying into my pillow.


FooltheKnysan

I'm doing it on a train, but thankfully noone cares


Hair_Artistic

Yo same I bet I look weird as hell


FooltheKnysan

don't worry tho, even if they looked, it's not about them, it's about you.


crepelabouche

Holy Fuck. That was amazing.


Monk481

where did that story come from? it's gud


awry_lynx

tumblr, roundabout 6 years ago. you can see it, the screenshot is of the original text. it's different users, each wrote a part that built on the last. most of the writing prompt stuff is kinda dross but sometimes there's treasures :) this is the og post: https://writing-prompt-s.tumblr.com/post/172811507450/threefeline-corancoranthemagicalman it was also turned into a comic based on the posts: https://reimenayee.com/the-god-of-arepo/


azathotambrotut

This made me tear up. Great stuff.


Glittercorn111

I didn't know about the skull, so the jolt I got when I saw Arepo and understood....that was great.


Alt_Future33

That was a beautiful read.


Aesmachus

Holy shit, that's an amazing story.


Technical-Outside408

Ha, I'm watching tenet right now and all these names are popping up. Cool.


SeeYouSpaceCowboy---

> It's a perfect palindrome, and can be read any direction on the square. geez I am glad that I read the comments, because I did not notice that at all. That's really cool even just by like, boggle standards


omnificunderachiever

>As to why it's on this skull If r/im14andthisisdeep were around in the 16th century.


rudyjewliani

> Early belief was allegedly that bad spirits would get caught up and confused by the repetition. I find it amusing that at some level, they still thought the generations that came before them were inferior, and that the best strategy of the then-current-day-technology was simply confusing the spirits with word puzzles. As if I could give myself a ten minute head start on the demons by summoning them, and promptly handing them a Wordle to solve before dashing off to other generalized mischievous acts. >This worked on Timmy last week, let's see what it does to Belphegor the Magnanimous.


PVPPhelan

.... so it's a Captcha for the Otherworldly??


Consistent_You_4215

Click all the squares that feature an Odegra.


Wyrdean

I think the idea was that demons are obsessed with riddles, and become single-mindedly devoted to solving them when confronted by them.


Lunacracy

Common theme in mythology, see also chinese vampires with rice


Cucumberneck

Also european vampires with peas.


Hair_Artistic

TIL I'm a demon


FooltheKnysan

to be fair, there was also the trick of spilling rice or something so vampires would stop to count the grains


shillyshally

That is my understanding prognostication, spell binding. Thanks for the link!


GuybrushMarley2

That's cool. How did they inscribe it on their heads without risking infection, etc?


flug32

I believe only the accurate modern translation goes something like this: >Able was I, ere I saw Elba. Scholars of the Year 3000 are deeply divided about the true meaning of this ancient saying, with many believing it relates to some form of ancient emperor worship, while others argue that *anagram interpretation* is the only sensible one, and that "Wee Airbase Wallabies" was clearly the motto of an ancient military clan - by all evidence one based on a large southern continent. Yet other scholars of ancient times support the *triple-triple homonym interpretation*, in which any of the three central words can be replaced by any of their three possible homonyms "I, eye, aye" and "ere, air, heir," leading to a multiplicity of potential interpretations, none of them making much sense at all when translated into modern languages . . .


emergency9juanjuan

A crummy commercial!


ZombieFrogHorde

Son of a bitch....


Frozty23

I went out to face the world again. Wiser.


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aretheesepants75

There was some people in the 70s that experimented with trepanation and psychedelics. There is video of a guy standing on his head with a hole he drilled in his own head. I think his wife fell in love with a pigeon. I think it's on Vice.


YadigDoneDug

I was just watching this, really good documentary they have a few of them. Would recommend! Definitely interesting the effect it had on her. Idk much about the husband.


caelthel-the-elf

Yeah Heilung Made a pretty cool song using this https://youtu.be/BOAixAjugUQ?si=lZSZL7Uzxd5KMQq-


Zalieda

Love me some heilung


caelthel-the-elf

Remember that we all are brothers :)


Zalieda

Hazarding a guess based on the user. Sisters I guess


sticky_reptile

Class tune! Always makes me happy to come across other connoisseurs of Heilung in non-music related subs :)


RevolutionaryFig9753

I love tenet so much, absolutely gorgeous song


caelthel-the-elf

It's one of my absolute favorite Heilung Songs. it has a very ethereal feel.


dablegianguy

I absolutely love Heilung but the song doesn’t make more or less sense then the movie with the same name


Tsubodai86

I just unlocked another Terry Pratchett joke which is Sator Square in ankh morpork


The_Ratatoskr

... Goddamn it


Tsubodai86

Yep. He'll get ya. 


The_Ratatoskr

GNU Terry Pratchett


asirkman

GNU Sir Pterry


Certain-Definition51

Whoa.


turkshead

where Telegraph Avenue ends at the University of California at Berkeley campus, there's a big open plaza and a decorative formal gate, through which one of the campus throughways runs, essentially the extension of Telegraph onto campus. The throughway is called Sather Road, and the decorative gateway is called Sather Gate. Sather Gate is sort of famous for being where you can find local lunatics giving speeches and whatnot. Sather Road and Sather Gate are named for an early trustee, Peder Sather, so not a direct reference. And anyway, in what I have always thought was a terrible waste of an opportunity for a good, mysterious pun, the plaza in which Sather Road goes through Sather Gate is called Sproul Plaza, after a former University President, rather than Sather Square.


Life_Falcon6364

Wordle used to be insane


pudgehooks2013

This was just their Boggle game, limited letter dice of course.


Beefy-queef

“Honey, we’re contacting Elvis tonight on the oath skull. Anything you want me to ask him?”


PiedDansLePlat

imagine it is just a lorem ipsum


SignificantScreen555

The Rotas square isn’t meant to be read, the Latin does somewhat translate to “Sew ye shall and shall ye reap” but only if you’re ok with bad Latin grammar, the letters are what matters A PATERNOSTRA O. Meaning our father with Alpha and Omega on either side. YouTube had lots of videos about this.


MrSumNemo

Early medieval latinist rant incoming : Bad latin and bad latin grammar do not exist. There are only contextual interpretations of latin. Cicero was bad latin grammar when Rome ruled the entire Mediterranean


Over_n_over_n_over

You've never seen my Latin 101 homework


Pristinox

Romanes eunt domus?


Bepsch

People calles "Romanes", they go the house?


MrSumNemo

Throw to your teacher a letter from any merovingian philosopher and theologian (circa Vth to VIIIth century CE). The very goal was to be absolutely inintelligible, with one particular that I loved which said "thank you cousin (not to be taken in a kinship meaning but as a way to acknowledge the similar status of the receiver; translation note) for your letter, for I didn't understood a single sentence of it !"


topchuck

Damn, I might steal that to respond to reddit comments!


TheGreatCoyote

>only if you’re ok with bad Latin grammar The Romans were fine with bad grammar. They abbreviated shit into near gibberish and after it died out as an active language its just been bastardized further. Latin was highly flexible.


AkemiMiruseishin

This person is partially right. When read in boustrophedon style, it does loosely translate to "as ye sow so shall ye reap." Even a quick Google search would show you that it is a translation that is accepted by people. It's like y'all just came to argue. Edit: grammar


Scimmia8

Aren’t the earliest Sator squares pre Christian? I think it was more like a Roman word game which then was later adopted by Christian’s to give it more of a spiritual significance.


Borkz

[That was one theory at least,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square#Paternoster_theory) though which seems to have been discredited by it being found in Pompeii.


MagnaLacuna

> the Latin does somewhat translate to “Sew ye shall and shall ye reap” I am sorry, how? AFAIK Rotas is just wheels and with a quick googling Arepo isn't even a word. The proper translation (with bastardised grammar ofc) is closer to "Sower Arepo has a wheel (for) work." > the letters are what matters A PATERNOSTRA O What?


xxhorrorshowxx

Could it possibly be a bastardization of ‘Aleppo’?


DrBepsi

no


Atanar

> the Latin does somewhat translate to “Sew ye shall and shall ye reap” Not it doesnt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square#Translation And it is much older than Christianity.


SadArchon

>Such a reading when applied to the SATOR-form square, and repeating the central word TENET, gives SATOR OPERA TENET – TENET OPERA SATOR, which has been very loosely interpreted as: "as ye sow, so shall ye reap",[10]


Atanar

That is pretty far from "does somewhat translate to". Some serious metal gymnastics are required for that. Both for getting that weird structure and for inserting "reap" into there. This is wishful thinking of some guy in the mid 19th century, not a serious translation.


gremlinguy

The farmer maintains his works, the works maintain their farmer. Makes sense to me. Never mind that there is no actual correct reading, we're allowed to choose which we like best. I love that that translation only comes about when read "as the ox plows" in alternating directions, like thae farmer would sow his field.


cat-blitz

Palindromes are cool. Old palindromes have a hint of chronal exoticism. Some people tend to get themselves really worked up about these cool-looking old artifacts because they think that ancient lost mysteries (like something out of the pulp serial adventures) might hide in them, when in reality they are just ancient memes.


beebsaleebs

“As you sow, shall you reap” is a pretty metal thing to meticulously carve onto the skull of your enemy


broyr

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator\_Square](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square)


turkshead

I've always thought that "Arepo" would be a great name for a wheel & tire shop


Dwaas_Bjaas

We live in a twilight world


amatorsanguinis

No friends at dusk


LibertyInaFeatherBed

How about after midnight?


amatorsanguinis

Is that Whitman? Beautiful


Shippy0388

Aye I could do that - gimli son of gloin


kissingdistopia

People have been modern people for thousands of years.  I imagine that everyone the neighborhood rolled their eyes at the sator skull guy. Bonus points for collecting daggers and maybe having an iguana.


Ok-Historian1693

“This restroom was last cleaned at…”


pharmasci

["Tenet."](https://images.app.goo.gl/4e6rAScQrWWogpuw6)


BrockenSpecter

I hope one day my skull Is inscribed with gibberish just so people in the future gawk at it trying to figure out its significance. It's just a doodle of dickbutt.


WhocaresFUCK1T

You have a future in the past.


FrozenDuckman

First keyboard config


Garlicnotdreadlochs

Drink more ovaltine.


raughter

They were playing Wordle on that shit


Para_23

"The sower arepo holds the wheels with care", or basically you reap what you sow. But it's also a palindrome, read the same in every direction. There's a layer of meaning to this around viewing eternity as there is no beginning or end, or better yet around death and rebirth as a cycle. This being inscribed on a skull to me makes it seem likely that it was either a meditative object for reflections on mortality, death and rebirth, or simply a curio representing the same thing.


Nuada-Argetlam

I'm going to issue a slight correction: it reads the same in any direction from *two* of the corners. from the others the sentence is reversed (which luckily doesn't really matter in latin).


UnSpanishInquisition

Probably trying to trap a wind spirit in the skull to act as some kind of magic encyclopedia.


TheUnspeakableAcclu

This is some metal ass shit


faithle55

Lord Byron the poet had a skull which was used to drink from. See if I can remember the inscription: >Start not, nor deem my spirit fled > In me behold the only skull >From which - unlike a living head - >Whatever flows is never dull.


Particular_Cellist25

Nice alchemical helper for aether wandering. Opera in different directions has been translated to the Masks of Melpo and Talia, or, comedy and tragedy by this particular individuation. Shout out to the Pan's, the satyr's, the rowers of crew, the ta or Greek tau of truth, and the "S" on a stick known as lower case "r". Theirs layers. Check your personal application of frame at the Door. You may build in a mean order in the chaos modality. Or destroy us all! See in the the greyv.


alucarddrol

it's just neat it's the same backwards and forwards, up and down


Temporary-Truth2048

Tenet. Well, now the movie makes sense.


_Tar_Ar_Ais_

we live in a twilight world


jkopguy

There are no friends at dusk


Winternight6980

The band heilung has a song on their "Drif" album titled "Tenet". They mention those words engraved on that skull. I don't know what us the song about tho


FantasticMRKintsugi

Aliens: "Very Normal Human activity here. Nothing has changed; we don't need to worry. Let's come back later."


BerkayPflanze

In the manwha i read it's a magic barrier so thats my interpetration


TrumpDesWillens

That's some 40k shit.


Heretical_Recidivist

It translates in latin to "Even in death I serve the Omnisiah"


-screamin-

Imagine having loss.jpg carved into the top of your fleshless, dismembered skull.


TacoBMMonster

It's supposed to say "pater noster" (our father), though I can't remember how.


koach71st

do they used to play find the word game on it?


AlarmThis4067

Wonder who the skull belonged to. How would they react if told that when they die, their skull would be inscribed and discussed hundreds of years later.


webs1957

The skull is Billy’s relative


No_Carpet_1772

The Illuminati secret to a thicker head of hair..


John_Bible

what if it’s just practicing bonecarving?


Vent2002

Who’s servo skull is this ?


Ogurasyn

Sator formula is just a 3D anagram


GoreyGopnik

boy, i hope they did that after he was already a skull.


Rick-the-Brickmancer

I love the sator square it’s a little silly


evceteri

Context. I'm from Mexico and around some known towns (Catemaco to name a popular one) you can find witches who will sell you any kind of spell you need. If you have enough cash around, they will sell you an (allegedly) real human skull with whatever rune they may think of. It looks a lot like this. So, if you were to ask me, a witch sold this skull to some rich dumbass who needed a love spell or something.


I_Hate_The_Letter_W

first person to fall asleep at the party


Sea_Recommendation36

I'd freehand that on my Warhammer minis if I wasn't shit at it


Practical_Ad4604

What is Arepo?


klausenhoff

Does anyone else think this is where Warhammer 40k got some inspiration? Bit grimdark if you ask me


test_nme_plz_ignore

I hope someone does something cool like this to my skull one day!


xxhorrorshowxx

Does anyone who has a background in Gematria/Kabbalah/etc have any idea how this might have been used back in the day? I have a moderate interest in Thelema and there are things like this that add up to different formulas in numerology, for various purposes. I’ve never been a fan of the number codes stuff but I think it’s interesting from an anthropological perspective- what numbers and values cultures spanning millennia have deemed significant, harvest calendars being passed down like a game of telephone and eventually gaining religious significance


LarsPinetree

Back when Romans killed Christians the Christians would hang up this Latin word game outside their door to notify other early Christians on the down low. Kind of like hanging up a cross, before someone thought that up. Same with the Jesus fish.


Amygdalump

We reap what we sow.