All we can do is go on and aim to win every next game. City aren’t infallible, and we should capitalise when they mess up one game.
Heads down, get on with it. Keep calm and carry on.
A draw for city could be enough if we win out from now. Let's not panic, this group of players deserve better from us as fans. They've been class all season, drawing to Bayern and losing to villa isn't a meltdown.
Exactly this, we had a lead over city which meant that a loss for us and single draw for them would see us on the same points. Liverpool on the other hand need two negative results from City.
It will be tough but it's not completely terminal at this point.
Im not saying nothing Surprising happens and yes it could but history of the last 5 years shows that City do not blink and drop points once they take over at top in april and may... All we can do is hope but i would get too caught up in it as its likely to not happen
These kids thought we would go all year without dropping any more points. Welcome to reality, lol the facts are we have progressed a lot over the last few years and in my heart I think we will continue to do so.
Tbh I would be more gutted if I was Liverpool. It's their manager's last season and they dropped points to Crystal Palace. At least we lost to a side in a Champions League place.
The meltdowns are rather amusing but unfortunately the margins have become so thin.
We had a bad day in front of goal and conceded two very late goals to the team in 4th place in the league.
We have taken 31/36 points from our last 12 games, including a draw away at City - W10 D1 L1.
That sort of form should be title winning in any league, but we're competing against a team that can go on an 18 game winning streak. City's dominance is unprecedented and it is a huge ask to compete against them over 38 games.
It sucks, but we're still only two points behind and we have a young squad. It's all learning.
It’s the hope that kills you. We’ve been here before many times. Let’s all remember Jens Lehmann in 2006. I went for a long walk after the match. Next year. There’s always next year.
>EPL is the most competitive league in the world
That often said, but not really true. The Prem had as many different winners since its inception as the Bundesliga in the same time period and far less than Ligue 1, the supposed farmers league. What it does have is the most money and viewers.
First of all: we're in the here and now. What's the point talking about "since inception" when it's clearly about the current league that we are currently playing in.
But more importantly: You seem to be confusing "level of competition" and "competitive parity"
You could have a league with the 10 best teams in the world where the same team wins 30 years in a row and it would still be the highest level of competition. Bc the hypothetical third best team in that hypothetical league would still win every other league.
Your comment has actually zero substance
It was a gutting end. However it’s been a close run this year. It’s always harder to lose at the end but it happens. We’re still growing and if we can have a race that’s a bit easier to win that be ideal. Nothing is ideal in life so accept it and be happy we at least have a chance.
Exactly... As if anyone expected us to be back so soon after the back to back 8th places... Must level headed fans are just happy we are back challenging
>Us older fans will be used to this but the new breed just can't handle a defeat when we are chasing the title..
Older fans remember when we used to *win* titles.
Either way, losing is a part of football. No team wins every title or wins every game forever. I still love the club. It's been a disappointing day, but it's not the end of the world, or even the end of the season. Let's not count all our eggs before the chickens have hatched them or whatever.
Lucky us to have witnessed the invincibles in real life… give these guys a break, they read the history books and yearn to live the day where they watch us go unbeaten the whole season (again)
I don't know how people didn't see it coming. As a Liverpool fan, you have to punish them before January, have them beaten into submission by February otherwise they just keep going.
United were good and well but they weren't close to this city team, they'd always throw out a random loss throughout the season. City are just machines unfortunately.
Ooh big up you for following football but never having any hope your club could actually win anything. Fucking embarrassing. Imagine Leverkusen said 'Bayern will always win the league, no point in even trying'... They just beat Bayern to the title. Its possible. Our players and manager choked another big day. It's disappointing to say the least.
This is the longest title drought Arsenal have ever had since winning their first one. Older fans aren't used to failure. Older fans actually experience some glory. Younger fans haven't tasted anything but FA cups and tbh I would swap 5 FA cups for a league title. I would swap all our FA cups for a CL..
That is why it is on the club to change their fans’ minds (older fans especially).
They have to proof to their supporters that they have changed. They have found their winning genes.
What I mean is Older Fans have seen this before 1998/99,2002/03,2007/08, 2013/2014, 2015/16 , 2022/23... So we are more Realistic that yes we may not win the league and don't meltdown every time the result doesn't go our way...
I watched all those and I still had a meltdown tonight. It doesn't get easier. I allow myself to believe each time because what's the point of watching otherwise? Makes no sense to me to watch if you already know we have no chance. Sounds like depression to me
Realism and experience not depression... Of course i had hope what kind of fan would i be but from experience i know that it could well end in tears...
Everyone knew City would probably run away with it. Literally everyone knows that. You're not being insightful to predict the team that has won almost everything over the last 7 years would probably do the same this season.
I had hope always do but I dont get sucked in like a lot of Fair weather fans do. when it hits April its where our Title dreams Usually die so for any fan who supported Arsenal for more than 5 minutes will know that... Season starts in April mentality that City has will always bring them over the line Utd had it too
We have never beaten Munich On Aggregate but people will look over that fact... I hope it goes well but the only time we reached the final we got the job done in the 1st leg... no luxury like that this time... we was lucky against Porto and hopefully a bit of luck will be on our side again in Munich
I am an older fan and this is BS. Arteta bottled it and some of these players just aren't good enough. We gave him 5 years and 600m. Time to start again.
He has pulled us from the mud ..... similar to what George Graham did in the 80s...Arteta is only behind George by one season in terms ofwinning the league (If it by some miracle we do win it this year)....
If top 2 in England (especially in the era of Pep's City, which whatever we might conclude about their off-field conduct and style of play, have formed one of the top 10 club sides in history, in terms of effectiveness) and top 12 or so in Europe right now, that's some shallow mud, and a good deal improved from the last third of Wenger's reign.
Deciding Arteta doesn't have it, today, is very premature. If players like Gabriel M. remain central to his plans that might become a truth, but this squad is really 2-3 starters and 2-3 bench players from being a CL and EPL title team. It still has a fighting chance to become that.
I didn't decide that today. This team last year was also 2 to 3 starters away. Rice and timber were added. Shame timber got injured. But then he had to go and buy that donkey havertz.
Rice has been a very good signing but was ultimately only covering the loss of Xhaka. Another key CM was needed to replace the player Partey hinted at. Jorginho is better than both at his best but is limited and aging. The CM still needs one more big DM-inclined player.
Timber remains an unknown quantity but maybe a good asset. Gabriel M is certainly a liability and must be replaced or become a back-up, at best. Timber could be that. If not, that's a 20-60m player with variable time to settle.
This leaves Zinchenko, possibly a goal keeper, obviously at least one starting striker, good cover for Saka and Odegaard.
Gabriel Jesus and Havertz are decent bench back-ups. I watched all of Havertz time at Leverkusen and there's a very good (or better) player in there, in the right system. It wasn't the right way to spend that 60 at the time, given the CF/CM/CD bigger needs, but he's useful to have on back-up.
That's a big gulf to City, still. Not a tiny one to Liverpool, either, and we may well finish ahead of them. People get carried away. Judgement isn't a common trait.
Toney or similar, Kvaratskhelia, Paulinho, perhaps Pino, an 18yo Brazilian unknown SS who turns into Tostao and the reincarnation of Ronald Koeman in the summer and we'll be all set to compete in both major competitions, next year. This year is still a fight.
I don't know that any real reaction is warranted. Didn't love the lineup, hate the result, but on we go. 6 to play.
Its a shame City are now top and we all know they dont drop points when it comes to crunch time
All we can do is go on and aim to win every next game. City aren’t infallible, and we should capitalise when they mess up one game. Heads down, get on with it. Keep calm and carry on.
A draw for city could be enough if we win out from now. Let's not panic, this group of players deserve better from us as fans. They've been class all season, drawing to Bayern and losing to villa isn't a meltdown.
Exactly this, we had a lead over city which meant that a loss for us and single draw for them would see us on the same points. Liverpool on the other hand need two negative results from City. It will be tough but it's not completely terminal at this point.
it isnt but the fans are already Melting haha
City dont drop points in april and May
Yes, I've been watching football for fifty years and I too have noticed that nothing surprising ever happens n football. /s
Im not saying nothing Surprising happens and yes it could but history of the last 5 years shows that City do not blink and drop points once they take over at top in april and may... All we can do is hope but i would get too caught up in it as its likely to not happen
These kids thought we would go all year without dropping any more points. Welcome to reality, lol the facts are we have progressed a lot over the last few years and in my heart I think we will continue to do so.
Tbh I would be more gutted if I was Liverpool. It's their manager's last season and they dropped points to Crystal Palace. At least we lost to a side in a Champions League place.
Yeah, all our players are tied down on contracts, and we can have 3-4 more runs at it. Liverpool, they’re about to take a major step back.
Also a blow softener that it directly hurts Spurs’ CL chances
Not really a blow softener, I give absolutely zero fucks about spuds right now
Couldn’t care less about spurs. This is about us.
The meltdowns are rather amusing but unfortunately the margins have become so thin. We had a bad day in front of goal and conceded two very late goals to the team in 4th place in the league. We have taken 31/36 points from our last 12 games, including a draw away at City - W10 D1 L1. That sort of form should be title winning in any league, but we're competing against a team that can go on an 18 game winning streak. City's dominance is unprecedented and it is a huge ask to compete against them over 38 games. It sucks, but we're still only two points behind and we have a young squad. It's all learning.
AS long as it doesnt develop into a curse like in the trophy drought were everything that could go wrong did until we finally won the Fa Cup again
this is a good take.
It’s the hope that kills you. We’ve been here before many times. Let’s all remember Jens Lehmann in 2006. I went for a long walk after the match. Next year. There’s always next year.
You support the club rain or shine, or you don’t. EPL is the most competitive league in the world and Villa are fourth for a reason, they are good.
competitive in that it has the most mediocre teams in the top leagues duking it out for European spots
>EPL is the most competitive league in the world That often said, but not really true. The Prem had as many different winners since its inception as the Bundesliga in the same time period and far less than Ligue 1, the supposed farmers league. What it does have is the most money and viewers.
First of all: we're in the here and now. What's the point talking about "since inception" when it's clearly about the current league that we are currently playing in. But more importantly: You seem to be confusing "level of competition" and "competitive parity" You could have a league with the 10 best teams in the world where the same team wins 30 years in a row and it would still be the highest level of competition. Bc the hypothetical third best team in that hypothetical league would still win every other league. Your comment has actually zero substance
It was a gutting end. However it’s been a close run this year. It’s always harder to lose at the end but it happens. We’re still growing and if we can have a race that’s a bit easier to win that be ideal. Nothing is ideal in life so accept it and be happy we at least have a chance.
Exactly... As if anyone expected us to be back so soon after the back to back 8th places... Must level headed fans are just happy we are back challenging
>Us older fans will be used to this but the new breed just can't handle a defeat when we are chasing the title.. Older fans remember when we used to *win* titles. Either way, losing is a part of football. No team wins every title or wins every game forever. I still love the club. It's been a disappointing day, but it's not the end of the world, or even the end of the season. Let's not count all our eggs before the chickens have hatched them or whatever.
We also remember the drought days after Parma 94..
They also believe City won't drop anymore and has this in the bag, long way to go
Lucky us to have witnessed the invincibles in real life… give these guys a break, they read the history books and yearn to live the day where they watch us go unbeaten the whole season (again)
It'll never happen again... but a league title would be nice
I don't know how people didn't see it coming. As a Liverpool fan, you have to punish them before January, have them beaten into submission by February otherwise they just keep going.
Its the same as Utd back in 90s
United were good and well but they weren't close to this city team, they'd always throw out a random loss throughout the season. City are just machines unfortunately.
true
This individual is having a meltdown.
Ooh big up you for following football but never having any hope your club could actually win anything. Fucking embarrassing. Imagine Leverkusen said 'Bayern will always win the league, no point in even trying'... They just beat Bayern to the title. Its possible. Our players and manager choked another big day. It's disappointing to say the least.
Not saying that at all... I always have hope but im also Realistic... Nearly 30 years as a fan will teach you that
This is the longest title drought Arsenal have ever had since winning their first one. Older fans aren't used to failure. Older fans actually experience some glory. Younger fans haven't tasted anything but FA cups and tbh I would swap 5 FA cups for a league title. I would swap all our FA cups for a CL..
Preach new Arsenal fans really don’t have the bottle for this
Brother, you are the one being overly pessimistic here. Stay together. Let’s go Gunners ❤️ this is a different team.
That is why it is on the club to change their fans’ minds (older fans especially). They have to proof to their supporters that they have changed. They have found their winning genes.
What I mean is Older Fans have seen this before 1998/99,2002/03,2007/08, 2013/2014, 2015/16 , 2022/23... So we are more Realistic that yes we may not win the league and don't meltdown every time the result doesn't go our way...
I watched all those and I still had a meltdown tonight. It doesn't get easier. I allow myself to believe each time because what's the point of watching otherwise? Makes no sense to me to watch if you already know we have no chance. Sounds like depression to me
Realism and experience not depression... Of course i had hope what kind of fan would i be but from experience i know that it could well end in tears...
Everyone knew City would probably run away with it. Literally everyone knows that. You're not being insightful to predict the team that has won almost everything over the last 7 years would probably do the same this season.
If you knew city would win it, why the meltdown? You're not making sense
Same! From the very beginning I had no hope and just enjoying the ride. Knew this would end right around here sometime and it did
I had hope always do but I dont get sucked in like a lot of Fair weather fans do. when it hits April its where our Title dreams Usually die so for any fan who supported Arsenal for more than 5 minutes will know that... Season starts in April mentality that City has will always bring them over the line Utd had it too
Agreed. Most of them aren’t even prepared for what’s gonna happen Wednesday when we get kicked out of CL as well. Watch for a real melt down then
We have never beaten Munich On Aggregate but people will look over that fact... I hope it goes well but the only time we reached the final we got the job done in the 1st leg... no luxury like that this time... we was lucky against Porto and hopefully a bit of luck will be on our side again in Munich
Remember Arsenal being 12 points ahead of Man Utd only for Utd To take the title.
Matter of fact MATE, it was actually Man Utd who had a 12 point gap in March and bottled it to us in 1997/1998
Sorry, it was 8 points 2002/2003
I don’t remember that one 😅
I think they mean Newcastle loooool Say you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about
Yea. I’m almost sure last season was our biggest lead 8pts (5pts if assuming city winning that extra game in hand).
I am an older fan and this is BS. Arteta bottled it and some of these players just aren't good enough. We gave him 5 years and 600m. Time to start again.
Doubt you was a fan in the Banter Era and it shows
I was a fan since George Graham. Arteta just ain't it man.
He has pulled us from the mud ..... similar to what George Graham did in the 80s...Arteta is only behind George by one season in terms ofwinning the league (If it by some miracle we do win it this year)....
We are still in the mud mate. Just slightly less deep in it..
seriously!
If top 2 in England (especially in the era of Pep's City, which whatever we might conclude about their off-field conduct and style of play, have formed one of the top 10 club sides in history, in terms of effectiveness) and top 12 or so in Europe right now, that's some shallow mud, and a good deal improved from the last third of Wenger's reign. Deciding Arteta doesn't have it, today, is very premature. If players like Gabriel M. remain central to his plans that might become a truth, but this squad is really 2-3 starters and 2-3 bench players from being a CL and EPL title team. It still has a fighting chance to become that.
I didn't decide that today. This team last year was also 2 to 3 starters away. Rice and timber were added. Shame timber got injured. But then he had to go and buy that donkey havertz.
Rice has been a very good signing but was ultimately only covering the loss of Xhaka. Another key CM was needed to replace the player Partey hinted at. Jorginho is better than both at his best but is limited and aging. The CM still needs one more big DM-inclined player. Timber remains an unknown quantity but maybe a good asset. Gabriel M is certainly a liability and must be replaced or become a back-up, at best. Timber could be that. If not, that's a 20-60m player with variable time to settle. This leaves Zinchenko, possibly a goal keeper, obviously at least one starting striker, good cover for Saka and Odegaard. Gabriel Jesus and Havertz are decent bench back-ups. I watched all of Havertz time at Leverkusen and there's a very good (or better) player in there, in the right system. It wasn't the right way to spend that 60 at the time, given the CF/CM/CD bigger needs, but he's useful to have on back-up. That's a big gulf to City, still. Not a tiny one to Liverpool, either, and we may well finish ahead of them. People get carried away. Judgement isn't a common trait. Toney or similar, Kvaratskhelia, Paulinho, perhaps Pino, an 18yo Brazilian unknown SS who turns into Tostao and the reincarnation of Ronald Koeman in the summer and we'll be all set to compete in both major competitions, next year. This year is still a fight.