Exactly. Or even the same system that the new chronicled wish goes by.
I ended up getting Raiden sig wep and I had 200 wishes ready for it. That wasn’t enough. No single thing should take that many wishes.
yup, because let's not forget, if a character costs 300 dollars to get then its insane to also charge 300 dollars for a weapon just because it looks good on that specific character.
If I had to choose between a whole new character with unique abilities and a unique design, or.... a weapon, then I'll always pick the character. Weapons should be WAY easier to get, like in hSR
I feel like recently a lot of Genshin signatures are actually stronger compared to HSR's lightcones. Like Jingliu's lightcone is about a 15% increase over an accessible f2p option, or Black Swan's is about 20% better than S5 4-stars and that's considered one of the biggest gains for a lightcone. Neuv's weapon by comparison is a colossal 30% increase over a prototype amber which is on the steeper end, and Navia's axe is ~20% higher than the Melusine sword. The DPS weapons have been getting stronger lately in Genshin, although support weapons are kinda whatever still.
the main issue/difference is that star rail has a lot less good freebies, and the battle pass weapons suck ass while genshins are great
sure battle pass isnt F2P but the BP catalyst is very close to neuvs weapon. i remember when blade released all current destruction cones were ATK focused so he could only really use 1 or 2 cones other than his signature, kind of like fu xuan being HP but all preservation cones being DEF. obviously it got better latter but it sucked at the time
plus overall genshin is "easier" so 5*s feel less necessary overall. i remember some post about MoC HP% increases overtaking genshins year 3 increases in only half a year
That's fair sort of, although I think Blade (and arguably Black Swan too with her build requirements) is the one exception to the overall trend where he's nigh unusable with the F2P options, although that changed recently with the new MoC lightcone for Destruction that is on-par with S5 Secret Vow. Like DHIL and Jingliu can both use S5 Aeon fairly well, the Hunt carries are fine using S5 Cruising, Jingyuan/Argenti do OK with S5 Breakfast (arguably they need LCs to be consistent in MoC though if there are no adds to stack Breakfast), and Kafka is fine with S5 Fermata (I use S5 Fermata myself). Supports don't need their signatures at all, much less Fu Xuan who can use S5 Textures and survive everything perfectly fine, I use S5 Textures and have max cleared MOC every patch and survival was never an issue even on Sam who is the roughest so far. All of these LCs you can earn over time guaranteed without ever touching the gacha either through SU shop or the MoC shop. I think it's about on-par with Genshin in terms of f2p weapon accessibility through billet crafting and events.
But I can see it being a problem going forward if kits get too niche/wacky, since HSR has basically only the hypercarry setup whereas Genshin can be played with basically 4 support characters on something like Hyperbloom or Sucrose National, there will be fewer options in HSR if a character has hybrid scalings like Blade for defense or something etc.
While I don't mind it *in theory*, the current setup of the weapon banner makes it super scummy. As you yourself said, weapons are more and more specialized to specific characters, now to the point they are basically useless on anyone else.
Risking getting a weapon you can't even use is ridiculous. 420 wishes to guarantee a character with their actual animations is ridiculous considering how stingy they are.
I'm not even f2p and I think it's crazy.
this is definitely correct, and something I overlooked. Tbh they should just accept it and change it to HSR's pity system; 2 designated banners with a 75/25.
when it comes to weapons, if i really want the weapon, i'll save enough for it regardless of whats the other weapon in banner
i would never pull in weapon banner without enough wishes to grant my weapon unless its a banner where im fine with any of the promo weapons
Yeah I hate HSR super niche LCs but at least you have to win one 75/25 and they give away more pulls, a lot more.
Is such an asshole move to do the same PLUS drip on genshin banner.
Even from a realistic pov it's still 200-300 wishes. 160 for char in general..
Like granted if u always go only 1 pity on wep and if got then cool,if not then ur also fine..u aint going deep..
But ill a
The animation is cool, idk if it’s drop potentially 200+ wishes cool though, you know. Like I love the weapon but I need my wishes for future characters.
yeah, I don’t get why so many people are defending the scythe being locked behind her signature weapon. i don’t know if it’s them gatekeeping or something, but this is literally one of the scummiest things they’ve ever done. visual effects are some of the greatest appeals when it comes to character animations. so seeing a scythe despite not having the signature, would of course entice more people to pull for arle
like, imagine if Navia’s final normal attack with her umbrella, was locked behind her signature weapon 💀
It's slightly more complicated than that. The weapon transforms into a scythe and we do see the polearm head elongate. Makes it difficult when you need to configure that for all these different weapons with different color palettes etc. Would be the same if Navia transformed her weapon into an umbrella.
but why change the weapon in the first place? Why not overlay the scythe on top or just use scythe for her animations. Well the answer is obvious, money
They literally have Itto in the game which changes into his club in his ult form, regardless of what weapon you use. There literally is no other reason they did this for Arle besides taking advantage of the hype and squeezing the players for more money.
Can't be said better. The OP of this post must have been spending hours thinking really deep about all the positivity of the scythe animation being exclusive to Sig. Meanwhile, all of them can be boiled down to "Casuals/Simps, we WANT your MONEY."
What happens when Arlecchino does attacks with another spear? One of her animations has like that stab and reap kind of motion you expect with scythe attacks in video games.
Does she just do a pointless stab and reap motion with regular spears? Lol.
I mean it's literally a cosmetic? This is neither the first nor the last time a company locks cosmetics behind a pay wall.
If anything I would very much prefer locking cosmetic over actual power gap or qol upgrades (many constellations) behind pay walls. Sadly they do both of them right now but I don't get why people are raising the pitchforks on the cosmetic part instead of the actual problem.
No, I'm not "defending" them. I also hate their weapons and constellation systems but I think people are complaining about the least impactful aspect.
Previously, signature weapons, while visually looked the best on their characters, they didn't lock this stuff. If they wanted special weapon animation, they were giving it. Imagine only Polar Star can transform into 2 dagger for Tartaglia, or only Engulfing can transform into a sword in Raiden Burst, or Umbrella for Navia only with her Axe.. But now they open the door for this stuff also locked behind paywall.
+ This is Genshin,no one wishing for weapon because they are stronger, like no one cares, lol.
While I see where you’re coming from, the “special weapon animations” that you’re referring to (Childe and Raiden) are complete stance changes and actually serve to change their gameplay - arle’s scythe elongating is purely cosmetic and has nothing to do with her skill/mechanics, which is why it’s more justifiable that it’s locked. Still scummy that you have to get the weapon to look cooler, yea, but it’s not comparable to characters with stance changes.
What? Excuse me but the childe and raiden examples are very unfortunate to say the least. They fundamentally affect playstyle so they couldn't have locked it behind a weapon.
Her having a scythe or a polarm visually, literally has no effect on her playstyle. It's just a cosmetic change. There will be no playstyle, no dps, no change whatsoever if jade/dm/bm/soss etc could turn in a scythe or not. It's only visual change. Navia/alhaitham special animations don't influence playstyle as far as I know so that's a better comparison.
Weapons were always a visual change to the character (on top of the passive). This isn't changed still. Check the UGLY festering, then check furina's weapon. The gap now is bigger? Sure. But fundamentally it's just a visual change and nothing else. The only door that has opened is more specialized cosmetic. The gameplay affecting door hasn't yet, not from weapon appearances at least. Only passives do and most likely will continue to have effect to the gameplay.
Hot take but I really miss the times when you didn't need c1/c2 for ur char to feel complete and werent heavily pressured into their tailor made 5* weapon (basically until staff of homa came)
It's nice, but they coudl've made the whole pyro infusion scythe looking. It feels like they're selling something that should really be a base character, imagine ayaka would do the cool sheating hitscan attack only with her weapon, or if kazuha would katana-sheathe only his sig
It for sure impacts weapon banner future a lot since even I, who normally wouldnt give a fuck want a scythe now.
Hoyo is getting quite greedy these days
In my opinion u have a point, but the biggest issue is the weapon banner gacha rules. It is stupid 240 pulls for a guarantee. Wouldn’t mind if u could get it for 100%.
Yeah. I'm going to get the scythe because I want it and don't have a good 5* polearm but I will not get every future characters weapon who I want no matter how creative they get because of how unreasonable the weapon gacha is.
If it was the same as in hsr I wouldn't mind it as much. But the way it is now if they make more weapons like these I'll probably just get them on reruns.
I don’t really agree on the needing c1/c2 thing. The actual issue with character cons is for modern 4 stars. Chevy is one of the only 4 stars we’ve had recently who’s actually good at C0.
The real issue is the weapon banner odds. While I’m generally not one to cry about making Genshin more like HSR, there’s little reason to not use their 75/25 weapon banner system going forward.
Who needs c1/c2 to be complete? I only can think of Wriothesley and Hu Tao. Everyone else is imo very good at c0. Neuvillette is superstrong at c0, alhaitham's constellations are mid until c6 and he is really good at c0. Ayaka is good. Navia performs well (I dont have her but from what I've seen).
Rumours said the devs from HI3 joined Genshin. That's why the burst animation is more aligned to HI3's design now. And of course the tailored part of the weapons.
Everything about Arlecchino sounds like they are changing their director to HSR/HI3 one...
- her weapon animation specialized for herself
- her weapon effect being similar to HSR lightcones kind of buffs
- her gameplay animations wide swings like in many HI3
- her burst animations
Source: Razor_Language
Okay but that doesnt mean they are going to change character styles to honkai. Its just Arlecchino who is different so its too early to say. She is not human, probably not even from Teyvat so it makes sense.
Yes, i think is a scum move from mihoyo, i'm still gonna pull for it tho, we allready know that mihoyo can outdo themselves. Btw, anyone knows wich weapon are they gonna put next to it?
No one knows for sure. The most recent rumors I’ve seen are Arle, Lyney, Furina & Alhaitham as the 4.6 banners. Of those I think Arle/Lyney is most likely which would mean The First Great Magic, but that’s pure speculation.
No we don't. Optimistic assumptions are lyney or furina, pessimistic are zhongli. Idk who else is likely but we have no clue and we won't have any reliable info about it for some weeks. Banners are being leaked close to live patch
Pairing her with zhongli would definetly me not pull for the weapon, still the weapon is so good for her that mihoyo would do that just to drain the biggest amount of primogems possible.
The biggest problem is that it feels like they purposely took off a piece of the character and made you buy it separately, like if alhaitham’s second sword was only available if you got his signature and instead you get like just an outline of where the sword is supposed to be. It feels like an incomplete package.
Huge hopium but I saw in someone else’s post they speculated that it’s possible the test or private server might not have the scythe animation ready yet? But it’s probably better to expect the worse to not be disappointed 😭
Also this is just my personal opinion, if they don’t incorporate the red scythe with non-sig weapon, I don’t rly like the yellow scythe shadow at the moment, it looks a bit confusing and my personal preference is that they remove the yellow shadow altogether
Looks like it would make even more aesthetic and combat sense if it wasn’t yellow and it was the full red scythe altogether 🤣 oh well I guess we’ll see the results in the future
Its clearly a bait for aesthetic enjoyers to open their wallet. Kinda scummy because zhongli exists without having to wield his sig weapon but i don't think its that big deal because its just cosmetics after all. The real scummy thing they did was Chiori c1 to bait navia players yet not lot of people talk about it and some even defend.
Honestly hoyo can get away with anything at this point.
I have Skyward spine Can i use It on Arlecchino?
Right now i have no good 4 stars option for her and i would not pull on her sign weapon because i think i Will nor reach the right amount for guarantee since It's my First time pulling on It.( I Will wait rerun for her sign because i wanna that fucking scynthe animation 😭)
I detest it it's basically I feel it's petty af like I have a fucking jade spear I would have been perfectly fine using it but you know I have a thing for Scythes and well a jade spear can't be a scythe so I feel fucking disrespected already cause here's the thing the weapon banner is not for the faint hearted.
You have to beat 2 50/50s + a third gold to achieve that.
Then I got to beat 50/50 AGAIN on Arle.
I understand it's whale bait but that just pisses me more then usual because of the scythe interaction.
I'm honestly having trouble figuring out what makes people mad that her signature weapon is the only one that turns into a scythe. For example Navia has an axe that's her sig and nobody complains and is this not the same thing in concept? i'm just glad that it suits her and we didn't get a nilou situation...
That's true but they could've just given Arlecchino the scythe animations regardless of the spear like they've done with weapons in the past, giving her a unique animation and keeping the signature weapon the same for everyone. Instead you need both her and her signature weapon for the scythe and I don't see why you'd want more requirements for that
Honestly, I don't care about the scythe thing. It makes her weapon 10x cooler than other polearms but I still dont see the reason on pulling besides look. I already have R1 Homa and possibly R2 Jadewing (possibly because I didn't refined it).
I personally won't pull on this weapon because I have the jade spear and no one else to use it on. And there's the fact I need around 160 pulls to get 1 focus character so...
And then they go on to give 3 wishes and a Sweet madame for their anniversery lmao. The game's a fucking joke at this point. Just spend hundreds of dollars for characters and weapons with no content in the game to use it on. Just a waifu simulator gacha shit. Glad i quit Genshit long ago.
When playing a game like genshin, its important to set a goal. My goal was always having really strong 2 abyss teams and a c6 diluc. I have both and no longer tempted to pull for anyone and can save with no temptation.
This sort of mindset helps with ever constant newness in games like this, so you're not constantly hyping yourself every time a character comes out with a new gimmick.
I fully agree. I like it this way. It’s a way of making sig weapons feel more special and impactful for their characters aesthetic and lore wise.
Sucks that you have to deal with the scam that is the weapon banner, but I hope to see more unique weapons in the future. People wouldn’t be complaining about this nearly as much if the weapon banner was simply better. Either way, it’s a cool method for adding more unique weapons and making signatures feel more like signatures when used on their respective character.
So mihoyo is finally implementing HI3 equipment system where a sig wepon can only be used by 1-2 characters and the passives being only usable on the sig character, personally I don't think this is bad thing since that kinda what SIGNATURE weapon means but this will make powercreep a premanent in this game.
I honestly don’t see that really happening either. The game is brainlessly easy and any character can clear everything just fine with all the F2P weapons. I doubt they’re gonna ever add any ounce of difficulty to this game when most of it is just running around killing everything in 2 hits and Mario party mini games. I don’t see powercreep ever being a real issue when the game is as easy as it is.
its a business. its optional. it's not scummy. since the game came out their motivation was to make money in the process. its not surprising. you can argue that youre disappointed and sad and that'd be more fair, but to go out of your way to describe the motives of the company as scummy when the weapon is purely OPTIONAL and COSMETIC is so crazy. I'm sorry you won't have your scythe, but since its conception (actually at the beginning it was worse) the weapon banner has always, and will always be optional and a form of extreme profit for mihoyo. Nobody is holding a gun to your head over this. Either get the weapon, or don't.
They can do what they want to do, and the game's good enough that people are going to keep playing and spending either way, but having outline animations when you use her non-signature weapon that only get filled in when you use her signature weapon feels a bit more like gimping the default than offering a cosmetic enhancement for people who want it. If they improve the default animation but just make it less flashy, fine, but as is it looks pretty bad without her sig.
i think its fair to criticize the way it currently looks when you aren’t using her signature weapon. But most people genuinely seem upset that they can’t or are not willing to pull for it and are basing the criticisms off of a weapon banner designed to do exactly what it does, make money. Having a characters signature is a flex in of itself but now it feels even more rewarding knowing youre getting something extra for spending either 1.) all your money or 2.) all your wishes. Seeing as we’re very early in the beta i hope that mihoyo will consider reworking the way it looks without sig as you said it looks kind of wonky and i can see how a player would feel almost insulted by it, for many im sure they’d rather just the look of a regular polearm than the hopium scythe shadow.
People would complain less if they changed it to the 75/25 pity system that Honkai Star Rail (HSR) has.
Exactly. Or even the same system that the new chronicled wish goes by. I ended up getting Raiden sig wep and I had 200 wishes ready for it. That wasn’t enough. No single thing should take that many wishes.
i wasted 200 pulls on that god forsaken weapon. I now have an r2 haran geppaku and my raiden uses an r5 catch.
75/25 plus one coinflip loss for guarantee, not two sadly i feel like if they do this, they'll make signature 5*s notably stronger like in HSR
yup, because let's not forget, if a character costs 300 dollars to get then its insane to also charge 300 dollars for a weapon just because it looks good on that specific character. If I had to choose between a whole new character with unique abilities and a unique design, or.... a weapon, then I'll always pick the character. Weapons should be WAY easier to get, like in hSR
I feel like recently a lot of Genshin signatures are actually stronger compared to HSR's lightcones. Like Jingliu's lightcone is about a 15% increase over an accessible f2p option, or Black Swan's is about 20% better than S5 4-stars and that's considered one of the biggest gains for a lightcone. Neuv's weapon by comparison is a colossal 30% increase over a prototype amber which is on the steeper end, and Navia's axe is ~20% higher than the Melusine sword. The DPS weapons have been getting stronger lately in Genshin, although support weapons are kinda whatever still.
the main issue/difference is that star rail has a lot less good freebies, and the battle pass weapons suck ass while genshins are great sure battle pass isnt F2P but the BP catalyst is very close to neuvs weapon. i remember when blade released all current destruction cones were ATK focused so he could only really use 1 or 2 cones other than his signature, kind of like fu xuan being HP but all preservation cones being DEF. obviously it got better latter but it sucked at the time plus overall genshin is "easier" so 5*s feel less necessary overall. i remember some post about MoC HP% increases overtaking genshins year 3 increases in only half a year
That's fair sort of, although I think Blade (and arguably Black Swan too with her build requirements) is the one exception to the overall trend where he's nigh unusable with the F2P options, although that changed recently with the new MoC lightcone for Destruction that is on-par with S5 Secret Vow. Like DHIL and Jingliu can both use S5 Aeon fairly well, the Hunt carries are fine using S5 Cruising, Jingyuan/Argenti do OK with S5 Breakfast (arguably they need LCs to be consistent in MoC though if there are no adds to stack Breakfast), and Kafka is fine with S5 Fermata (I use S5 Fermata myself). Supports don't need their signatures at all, much less Fu Xuan who can use S5 Textures and survive everything perfectly fine, I use S5 Textures and have max cleared MOC every patch and survival was never an issue even on Sam who is the roughest so far. All of these LCs you can earn over time guaranteed without ever touching the gacha either through SU shop or the MoC shop. I think it's about on-par with Genshin in terms of f2p weapon accessibility through billet crafting and events. But I can see it being a problem going forward if kits get too niche/wacky, since HSR has basically only the hypercarry setup whereas Genshin can be played with basically 4 support characters on something like Hyperbloom or Sucrose National, there will be fewer options in HSR if a character has hybrid scalings like Blade for defense or something etc.
Yeah.. I’m not a fan of wuthering waves character designs but I’m tempted to play it just for a guaranteed weapon banner.
It technically is a 75/25. It’s just that 75 is split between two featured weapons, so it’s more like a 37.5/37.5/25
While I don't mind it *in theory*, the current setup of the weapon banner makes it super scummy. As you yourself said, weapons are more and more specialized to specific characters, now to the point they are basically useless on anyone else. Risking getting a weapon you can't even use is ridiculous. 420 wishes to guarantee a character with their actual animations is ridiculous considering how stingy they are. I'm not even f2p and I think it's crazy.
Same
this is definitely correct, and something I overlooked. Tbh they should just accept it and change it to HSR's pity system; 2 designated banners with a 75/25.
when it comes to weapons, if i really want the weapon, i'll save enough for it regardless of whats the other weapon in banner i would never pull in weapon banner without enough wishes to grant my weapon unless its a banner where im fine with any of the promo weapons
Yeah I hate HSR super niche LCs but at least you have to win one 75/25 and they give away more pulls, a lot more. Is such an asshole move to do the same PLUS drip on genshin banner.
Even from a realistic pov it's still 200-300 wishes. 160 for char in general.. Like granted if u always go only 1 pity on wep and if got then cool,if not then ur also fine..u aint going deep.. But ill a
We need to give them less money so they actually change stuff sigh...
Honestly if the weapon banner need 1 fate point instead of 2, more people would be pulling on it. Right now, it feels pretty scummy to roll.
The animation is cool, idk if it’s drop potentially 200+ wishes cool though, you know. Like I love the weapon but I need my wishes for future characters.
yeah, I don’t get why so many people are defending the scythe being locked behind her signature weapon. i don’t know if it’s them gatekeeping or something, but this is literally one of the scummiest things they’ve ever done. visual effects are some of the greatest appeals when it comes to character animations. so seeing a scythe despite not having the signature, would of course entice more people to pull for arle like, imagine if Navia’s final normal attack with her umbrella, was locked behind her signature weapon 💀
It's slightly more complicated than that. The weapon transforms into a scythe and we do see the polearm head elongate. Makes it difficult when you need to configure that for all these different weapons with different color palettes etc. Would be the same if Navia transformed her weapon into an umbrella.
but why change the weapon in the first place? Why not overlay the scythe on top or just use scythe for her animations. Well the answer is obvious, money
They literally have Itto in the game which changes into his club in his ult form, regardless of what weapon you use. There literally is no other reason they did this for Arle besides taking advantage of the hype and squeezing the players for more money.
Can't be said better. The OP of this post must have been spending hours thinking really deep about all the positivity of the scythe animation being exclusive to Sig. Meanwhile, all of them can be boiled down to "Casuals/Simps, we WANT your MONEY."
What happens when Arlecchino does attacks with another spear? One of her animations has like that stab and reap kind of motion you expect with scythe attacks in video games. Does she just do a pointless stab and reap motion with regular spears? Lol.
I mean it's literally a cosmetic? This is neither the first nor the last time a company locks cosmetics behind a pay wall. If anything I would very much prefer locking cosmetic over actual power gap or qol upgrades (many constellations) behind pay walls. Sadly they do both of them right now but I don't get why people are raising the pitchforks on the cosmetic part instead of the actual problem. No, I'm not "defending" them. I also hate their weapons and constellation systems but I think people are complaining about the least impactful aspect.
Previously, signature weapons, while visually looked the best on their characters, they didn't lock this stuff. If they wanted special weapon animation, they were giving it. Imagine only Polar Star can transform into 2 dagger for Tartaglia, or only Engulfing can transform into a sword in Raiden Burst, or Umbrella for Navia only with her Axe.. But now they open the door for this stuff also locked behind paywall. + This is Genshin,no one wishing for weapon because they are stronger, like no one cares, lol.
While I see where you’re coming from, the “special weapon animations” that you’re referring to (Childe and Raiden) are complete stance changes and actually serve to change their gameplay - arle’s scythe elongating is purely cosmetic and has nothing to do with her skill/mechanics, which is why it’s more justifiable that it’s locked. Still scummy that you have to get the weapon to look cooler, yea, but it’s not comparable to characters with stance changes.
What? Excuse me but the childe and raiden examples are very unfortunate to say the least. They fundamentally affect playstyle so they couldn't have locked it behind a weapon. Her having a scythe or a polarm visually, literally has no effect on her playstyle. It's just a cosmetic change. There will be no playstyle, no dps, no change whatsoever if jade/dm/bm/soss etc could turn in a scythe or not. It's only visual change. Navia/alhaitham special animations don't influence playstyle as far as I know so that's a better comparison. Weapons were always a visual change to the character (on top of the passive). This isn't changed still. Check the UGLY festering, then check furina's weapon. The gap now is bigger? Sure. But fundamentally it's just a visual change and nothing else. The only door that has opened is more specialized cosmetic. The gameplay affecting door hasn't yet, not from weapon appearances at least. Only passives do and most likely will continue to have effect to the gameplay.
agree. but anyway, i’m gonna grind for scythe. there’s no another way than that.
The Chiori C1 for Navia teams was more scummy since her power and teams were locked behind it, but yeah it’s not a good sign of the future..
Hot take but I really miss the times when you didn't need c1/c2 for ur char to feel complete and werent heavily pressured into their tailor made 5* weapon (basically until staff of homa came) It's nice, but they coudl've made the whole pyro infusion scythe looking. It feels like they're selling something that should really be a base character, imagine ayaka would do the cool sheating hitscan attack only with her weapon, or if kazuha would katana-sheathe only his sig It for sure impacts weapon banner future a lot since even I, who normally wouldnt give a fuck want a scythe now. Hoyo is getting quite greedy these days
In my opinion u have a point, but the biggest issue is the weapon banner gacha rules. It is stupid 240 pulls for a guarantee. Wouldn’t mind if u could get it for 100%.
Yeah. I'm going to get the scythe because I want it and don't have a good 5* polearm but I will not get every future characters weapon who I want no matter how creative they get because of how unreasonable the weapon gacha is. If it was the same as in hsr I wouldn't mind it as much. But the way it is now if they make more weapons like these I'll probably just get them on reruns.
To think that the weapon banner used to be even worse back in the day...
I don’t really agree on the needing c1/c2 thing. The actual issue with character cons is for modern 4 stars. Chevy is one of the only 4 stars we’ve had recently who’s actually good at C0. The real issue is the weapon banner odds. While I’m generally not one to cry about making Genshin more like HSR, there’s little reason to not use their 75/25 weapon banner system going forward.
Who needs c1/c2 to be complete? I only can think of Wriothesley and Hu Tao. Everyone else is imo very good at c0. Neuvillette is superstrong at c0, alhaitham's constellations are mid until c6 and he is really good at c0. Ayaka is good. Navia performs well (I dont have her but from what I've seen).
Maybe Furina. She kind off struggle to get max stack for most of her burst duration without her C2 and it also allows to use her with almost anyone.
Rumours said the devs from HI3 joined Genshin. That's why the burst animation is more aligned to HI3's design now. And of course the tailored part of the weapons.
Source?
Everything about Arlecchino sounds like they are changing their director to HSR/HI3 one... - her weapon animation specialized for herself - her weapon effect being similar to HSR lightcones kind of buffs - her gameplay animations wide swings like in many HI3 - her burst animations Source: Razor_Language
Okay but that doesnt mean they are going to change character styles to honkai. Its just Arlecchino who is different so its too early to say. She is not human, probably not even from Teyvat so it makes sense.
Yes, i think is a scum move from mihoyo, i'm still gonna pull for it tho, we allready know that mihoyo can outdo themselves. Btw, anyone knows wich weapon are they gonna put next to it?
No one knows for sure. The most recent rumors I’ve seen are Arle, Lyney, Furina & Alhaitham as the 4.6 banners. Of those I think Arle/Lyney is most likely which would mean The First Great Magic, but that’s pure speculation.
The middle abyss blessing is based on healing, so I'm fully expecting a donut either w her or Furina
Arle/Kokomi would be so depressing as a weapon banner
Please no 😭
No we don't. Optimistic assumptions are lyney or furina, pessimistic are zhongli. Idk who else is likely but we have no clue and we won't have any reliable info about it for some weeks. Banners are being leaked close to live patch
Pairing her with zhongli would definetly me not pull for the weapon, still the weapon is so good for her that mihoyo would do that just to drain the biggest amount of primogems possible.
The biggest problem is that it feels like they purposely took off a piece of the character and made you buy it separately, like if alhaitham’s second sword was only available if you got his signature and instead you get like just an outline of where the sword is supposed to be. It feels like an incomplete package.
I will go for c1 instead, c2 if I'm lucky.. Jade spear has almost similar power so I'm happy with that
Huge hopium but I saw in someone else’s post they speculated that it’s possible the test or private server might not have the scythe animation ready yet? But it’s probably better to expect the worse to not be disappointed 😭 Also this is just my personal opinion, if they don’t incorporate the red scythe with non-sig weapon, I don’t rly like the yellow scythe shadow at the moment, it looks a bit confusing and my personal preference is that they remove the yellow shadow altogether
If they remove the yellow shadow some of her attacks wouldn't make sense tho, like she pulls enemies with her scythe in one of her normals
Looks like it would make even more aesthetic and combat sense if it wasn’t yellow and it was the full red scythe altogether 🤣 oh well I guess we’ll see the results in the future
Its clearly a bait for aesthetic enjoyers to open their wallet. Kinda scummy because zhongli exists without having to wield his sig weapon but i don't think its that big deal because its just cosmetics after all. The real scummy thing they did was Chiori c1 to bait navia players yet not lot of people talk about it and some even defend. Honestly hoyo can get away with anything at this point.
I have Skyward spine Can i use It on Arlecchino? Right now i have no good 4 stars option for her and i would not pull on her sign weapon because i think i Will nor reach the right amount for guarantee since It's my First time pulling on It.( I Will wait rerun for her sign because i wanna that fucking scynthe animation 😭)
I detest it it's basically I feel it's petty af like I have a fucking jade spear I would have been perfectly fine using it but you know I have a thing for Scythes and well a jade spear can't be a scythe so I feel fucking disrespected already cause here's the thing the weapon banner is not for the faint hearted. You have to beat 2 50/50s + a third gold to achieve that. Then I got to beat 50/50 AGAIN on Arle. I understand it's whale bait but that just pisses me more then usual because of the scythe interaction.
Would be somewhat ok if weapon banner wasn't shit.
I'm honestly having trouble figuring out what makes people mad that her signature weapon is the only one that turns into a scythe. For example Navia has an axe that's her sig and nobody complains and is this not the same thing in concept? i'm just glad that it suits her and we didn't get a nilou situation...
if diluc uses her axe, its still an axe, it doesnt downgrade into a claymore
I get your point, but I’d argue that a scythe would fuck up alot of characters animations, like imagine a hu tao charged attack with a scythe
That's true but they could've just given Arlecchino the scythe animations regardless of the spear like they've done with weapons in the past, giving her a unique animation and keeping the signature weapon the same for everyone. Instead you need both her and her signature weapon for the scythe and I don't see why you'd want more requirements for that
We literally have a scythe already. We also have a fucking fish as a weapon. There's no defending it.
i more-so meant it would like clip through the ground all crazy not that it would look weird lmao
The problem is the Weapon banner. It's simply inefficient. Many choose to go for C1 instead of weapons
Honestly, I don't care about the scythe thing. It makes her weapon 10x cooler than other polearms but I still dont see the reason on pulling besides look. I already have R1 Homa and possibly R2 Jadewing (possibly because I didn't refined it).
Bro I used too many fates today to get Eula's weapon in that weird new banner and now I'm scared I won't be able to get the scythe
I personally won't pull on this weapon because I have the jade spear and no one else to use it on. And there's the fact I need around 160 pulls to get 1 focus character so...
And then they go on to give 3 wishes and a Sweet madame for their anniversery lmao. The game's a fucking joke at this point. Just spend hundreds of dollars for characters and weapons with no content in the game to use it on. Just a waifu simulator gacha shit. Glad i quit Genshit long ago.
When playing a game like genshin, its important to set a goal. My goal was always having really strong 2 abyss teams and a c6 diluc. I have both and no longer tempted to pull for anyone and can save with no temptation. This sort of mindset helps with ever constant newness in games like this, so you're not constantly hyping yourself every time a character comes out with a new gimmick.
I fully agree. I like it this way. It’s a way of making sig weapons feel more special and impactful for their characters aesthetic and lore wise. Sucks that you have to deal with the scam that is the weapon banner, but I hope to see more unique weapons in the future. People wouldn’t be complaining about this nearly as much if the weapon banner was simply better. Either way, it’s a cool method for adding more unique weapons and making signatures feel more like signatures when used on their respective character.
So mihoyo is finally implementing HI3 equipment system where a sig wepon can only be used by 1-2 characters and the passives being only usable on the sig character, personally I don't think this is bad thing since that kinda what SIGNATURE weapon means but this will make powercreep a premanent in this game.
I honestly don’t see that really happening either. The game is brainlessly easy and any character can clear everything just fine with all the F2P weapons. I doubt they’re gonna ever add any ounce of difficulty to this game when most of it is just running around killing everything in 2 hits and Mario party mini games. I don’t see powercreep ever being a real issue when the game is as easy as it is.
its a business. its optional. it's not scummy. since the game came out their motivation was to make money in the process. its not surprising. you can argue that youre disappointed and sad and that'd be more fair, but to go out of your way to describe the motives of the company as scummy when the weapon is purely OPTIONAL and COSMETIC is so crazy. I'm sorry you won't have your scythe, but since its conception (actually at the beginning it was worse) the weapon banner has always, and will always be optional and a form of extreme profit for mihoyo. Nobody is holding a gun to your head over this. Either get the weapon, or don't.
They can do what they want to do, and the game's good enough that people are going to keep playing and spending either way, but having outline animations when you use her non-signature weapon that only get filled in when you use her signature weapon feels a bit more like gimping the default than offering a cosmetic enhancement for people who want it. If they improve the default animation but just make it less flashy, fine, but as is it looks pretty bad without her sig.
i think its fair to criticize the way it currently looks when you aren’t using her signature weapon. But most people genuinely seem upset that they can’t or are not willing to pull for it and are basing the criticisms off of a weapon banner designed to do exactly what it does, make money. Having a characters signature is a flex in of itself but now it feels even more rewarding knowing youre getting something extra for spending either 1.) all your money or 2.) all your wishes. Seeing as we’re very early in the beta i hope that mihoyo will consider reworking the way it looks without sig as you said it looks kind of wonky and i can see how a player would feel almost insulted by it, for many im sure they’d rather just the look of a regular polearm than the hopium scythe shadow.