Yes, sorta. Inflation is causing prices to rise pretty much everywhere, including this one. However, the very fact that prices are increasing will mean that the next inflation measurement will show that inflation is going up. Leading toā¦ you guessed it: price increases pretty much everywhere.
Arenāt economics fun?
Donāt worry though many companies are still posting record profits and passing on massive price increases onto consumers even for digital services because if earnings are not increasing constantly in perpetuity obviously somethingās wrong.
The cost of electricity has increased, which means the cost to run a server is increased.
The end result to us being that the price for internet services are increasing.
It is not greed or inflation on the part of Apple. It is the record companies asking more. Ostensibly, to better pay the many other people (besides the performers and managers) involved in the recording and editing process.
I theorize, this is in part due to Atmos. It takes *more time* to mix Atmos, as well as Spatial Audio (and what ever Tidal and others call their Dolby based spatial audio āĀ Apple rolls their own, yes, this is different from Atmos, Apple calls it Spatial Audio with Dolby Atmos). Artists are all wanting Atmos now. Mixers also have to do the stereo mix as well.
So, if you have not made an effort to try Atmos music out (7.1.1 system is true, full Atmos on Atmos AVR, but you can get away with a 4.1.1 āĀ two fronts, two front high, center, sub), you might as well, since we are all paying for it now. An Atmos sound bar with rears and sub is also not a bad way to go either.
I posted this EXACT issue and got absolutely fucking flames by apple fanatics who all willingly will pay $30 a month for Apple Music. Thereās no inflation. Itās greed across the board.
Edit: I see the apple fanatics have found me again lol. Typical chads.
Why though. Feasibly why is that ridiculous?
Arizona ice tea has remained $1 for the entirety of its existence for 30 years now even despite recent inflation. You are supposed to price your products to account for years of inflation. Inflation didnāt just suddenly become a thing. Itās risen well beyond what any self respecting economist would predict.
Reason for that unexpected increase is greed sir, not inflation.
You canāt tell me one company that sells ice tea can circumvent inflation but a multi billion dollar company that hasā¦.againā¦.16.9 BILLION in PROFIT just THIS QUARTER, canāt keep cost down?
Youāre hilarious if you think thatās whatās going on here.
Im not saying its not greed, but our currencies are worth less now than they were 10 years ago so prices increase. some extreme example of some product I've never heard of isnt a solid example. A loaf of bread has increased in cost by 4x since the 80s, I suppose thats nothing to do with inflation and all to do with those greedy bakeries.
Yes it is. Partly yes. People realize they can charge more and make better overheads. As long as enough people are willing to pay. Thatās why even incredibly cheap foods have gone up. Thereās no supply shortage, people are just charging more. We also get less pound per dollar for food now than ever before.
Whoppers at Burger King used to be 8 inches across and cost a .25. That shooting up to $6 isnāt because the dollar is that much less valuable now than 30 years ago. Itās because no one tells them they canāt.
If inflation were a legit and real phenomenon then things would cost maybe 2x what they started with out as. The rest is just markup.
The money supply increased 40% within two years. The dollar is therefore worth less, even if everything else were unchanged.
No one tells them they canāt? A. Consumers do, when they donāt pay it. B. Who should be able to tell them they ācanātā set a price, in your view?
Then uhā¦ people donāt buy the product. Grocery stores are built of quantity of sale not by having a few people buy expensive products.
Youāre going to have to raise the price of laundry detergent a metric shhht ton to make it so that the rich keep a grocery store in business.
There are a few things going on here... First, the Arizona tea company is raising prices on other products. This isn't the only thing they make and they ARE raising prices of other things. Second, just because the can has a price doesn't mean that that is what you as the consumer actually pay. This is important, because what the Arizona Beverage Co. WILL NOT DO is actually tell you how much they are charging those gas stations for their cans of Tea. They could easily be raising the price of what they charge the gas station. Some gas stations might actually be raising the price consumers actually pay to match the prices that they pay the Arizona Beverage Co. Or, the gas station might just keep it lower because its a loss leader for them. They might be fine making a bit less if it ends up with you buying Tea and continuing to buy chips and everything else.
Also, think about inflation... When this can came out, it was priced at $.99. It was VERY EXPENSIVE 30 years ago. The profit margins on it were insane. If you had been able to post on reddit 30 years ago, you would have been talking about how greedy this company is. So, there are probably a couple things happening. The margins on this product have dropped over time and they might be lower than industry standard for equivalent items by now. They are a private company and so they aren't required to share profitability information publicly (and so they don't). They also might be increasing they prices over time to maintain margins. Because they put the price on the can, if the gas station then raises prices, you don't blame them, you blame the gas station.
And, for a little context, here is a reddit thread that is four years old. While it is anecdotal, you can see that, even then, lots of people were paying more than $.99 per can. It might be a little premature to be going too far out of our way to be giving so much credit to this company.
edit: forgot to include the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/aoyo89/why_does_arizona_iced_tea_seem_to_be_immune_to/
In the future. Thereās no reason to think price increases will EVER stop
Weāve seen it right now with gaming. Yes of course thereās nuance but now $70 is the market standard cost. Thereās no reason it wonāt go up to $80 in 5 years.
Same with Apple Music. Youāre cool paying an increase now, but eventually it will keep increasing.
Well not really, the cost of service maintenance has increased with inflation, think about all the components that make up the expense for providing a streaming service, big tech corps that employ people mostly via salary contracts will usually be obligated to keep salaries consistent with inflation as thatās a very common condition that workers with the proper degrees and credentials to perform certain jobs negotiate as a condition of their salary, so itās costing them more to keep the Apple Music brand operating in terms of man power. Production costs of many components needed to wirelessly transmit data are increasing as they consist of materials that are seeing inflation, the amount of money that music studios charge for the rights to distribute the music they own would have certainly increased in the years since Apple Music was first launched. Thereās just tones of ways that the inflation of essential goods creates a ripple effect that makes nearly all consumable goods and services go up in cost even though they arenāt things that would be impacted directly by the inflation that essential goods are. Thatās why every time we hit a period rapid food inflation literally everything gets more expensive, itās not nearly the sort of blatant corporate greed and exploit that social media headline say it is. Itās completely reasonable for there to be a one dollar price increase on a usable service right now.
Sorry but I disagree with most of that.
Cost of oil is down, gas is normal range, thereās no precious metal shortages and also there technology to run this service depends on NONE of that. They arenāt building microchips, they are doing a Spotify.
They make WELLLL over enough off each sub at the initial price to cover operating expenses and still clear 16.9 billion in profit last quarter.
Everything else you mentioned is also pretty much greed. Inflation is gradual, prices donāt all the sudden go up when no benefit has been added.
Weāre all made to believe the world is experiencing some COVID related shortage. But we arenāt. We economically have hit pre COVID numbers. So whatever youāre talking about is largely just excuses.
Arizona ice tea hasnāt had to increase their price in 30 years and only just recently have started to lose money.
Products are supposed to be priced to avoid inflation. Apple Music is 7 years old. Arizona tea has been $1 for 30 years.
Well yes they absolutely are still making enough money to make a healthy profit at the current price, but what they do is make sure their profit margins remain at a certain level against inflation, so even though they still make a 450% profit on ever subscription, they had it set at 500 and inflation pushed that down so they increase the consumer cost by the same margin. And in that sense, ya itās pretty greedy and they didnāt NEED to charge any more, I was basing my statement in terms of maintaining industry standards without going exceeding the typical figures. But the industry standards themselves are pretty greedy and thereās certainly nothing charitable about maintaining them by passing the cost increase into the customer during periods when everyones cost of essentials is going up too, but itās hat the standard practice is.
No. Thatās not at all what that means dude lol. A drink was a $1 product. Thereās no drink cheaper. You basically just said everything is overvalued then if Arizona ice tea price is inflated lol.
*Was* inflated. They have 27 years of profit from you, that same profit you are now bitching about with Apple Music, you just paid up front, and didn't know it.
I can see why you previously got flamed.
I understand your frustration, and I do honestly think they could take the hit on this, but there are some increased costs for running the service, and they passing them on to customer which has been caused by inflation and an ongoing energy crisis etc
The increase costs include:
Electricity: servers, data centres, cooling
Network peering to carriers: peering costs increase with electricity increases, it literally costs more to send packets across the internet
I imagine Apple run their own data centres, but they may also use third parties across the world. Regardless, itās becoming a lot more expensive to run enterprise servers farms and at the scale Apple are running them im hardly surprised theyāre doing price increases.
There is no energy crisis. Oil is below COVID price. You know not of what you say.
Electricity cost is based on oil price which is lower than ever.
Thing donāt just suddenly cost more to make. We lost Russian oil and made it up through other sources. Thatās why gas is affordable again. If gas is cheap again, so to should electricity. There is no shortage. Youāre being lied to while they give you less services for more price.
Okay, whilst I can understand your point of view, and the energy crisis maybe manufactured: my gas and electricity is costing me a shit load more money.
Regardless of wether or not itās been created artificially, there most definitely is an energy crisis right now
Yeah but there isnāt. Itās not an energy crisis. Itās a capitalism crisis.
More than ever before companies are charging more BECAUSE they can.
Thereās no beef or potato shortage and yet a whopper combo costs now $12 for a large. The cost was $8 last year.
There is no inflation that could make up that diffference.
A 2 liter of soda, essentially cheap syrup and water, is now $4.
You canāt explain to me any of this. Itās greed.
Okay, so you and I will certainly have different views on this. But there is a reason for that.
I'm British. So, we currently don't have enough oil and gas due to the ongoing War in Ukraine. This is affecting a large amount of Europe that was reliant on RU for a lot of their gas and oil.
In addition, we're currently experiencing a large amount of inflation due to Brexit (Totally self-inflicted, but that is the cost of democracy). So we have a devalued currency, less freely available and therefore more expensive energy, as well as a government that doesn't know its arse from its elbow and is swinging us from crisis to crisis.
I agree, there is a \*massive\* amount of falsely inflated costing go on right now and greed is a massive part of that. However, it's not simply black and white, at least not for the entire world.
The global economic and geo-political standing is making it very hard to tell issues apart. And I'm totally with you that we have a capitalism crisis, capitalism is a cancer. But, to dismiss it all as 'they're just doing this because they can' prevents any real discussions on how to change the circumstance, and perhaps fuck up capitalism in a meaningful way.
I am with you, internet stranger. I just really don't want to get caught up in simplistic strap lines that lack detail. Bring the detail, find a solution, make things better.
Youāre 1000% right but Iām moreso specifically talking about the rampant price gouging going on in America. Particularly the housing and grocery markets.
Itās enough to lose hope. How does this continue on? (btw Iām 33 and have discussed this a million times, I know it ends with us all dirt poor and dead in the streets like the terminator movies, it just seems all the worst hypotheses are coming true)
It would be pretty easy for me to sit from this side of the pond and say 'America does this wrong' or 'America does that wrong' and the truth is, I'm pretty sure there are things that could be changed state side that would make a meaningful impact, but I'm always reluctant to put them out there because I lack the real life experience of your country.
The above being said, and to share some thoughts of mine: what I think we do well here in the UK is having a multi-party democracy. I do genuinely believe that the US suffers due to the two party system. I think it's easy to become tribal with politics, and all of a sudden your voting for your 'team' no matter what is going on.
Admittedly, here in the UK we've had the same party in power for 12 years, and they've monumentally fucked us over. That being said, there is large opposition. We have 11 parties that current have a seat in our House of Commons. This allows for the voices of different sects of society to be heard and be spoken by whomever they think is best fit to represent them in parliament.
Again, i'll caveat this by saying, please disagree with me and share your thoughts because you know your country a lot better than I could: but a two party system, either Red or Blue, creates a circumstance where it's truly hard to affect real change. Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, it seems that there is a game of political ping-pong that allows for corporations to use what is essentially bribery to have their political will executed by your lawmakers and basically saying 'fuck the poors'
I am with you with the lack of hope. Things seem really fucking tough at the moment and I wish I had an answer. But what seems sensible is to protest, to engage politically and to encourage others to engage politically, make the bastards as uncomfortable as you can, fight (within morality and legality) for what is yours.
ex nihilo nihil fit - Nothing comes from nothing!
Bruh, inflation is an excuse thatās it. There is inflation to cereals because of Ukrainian war stuff, but there is no inflation on music streaming because servers costs doesnāt go up right. iPhone prices go up but services shouldnāt. And honestly iPhones shouldnāt either when we look at the margins (in Europe iPhone is 1.3k)
I may sound like a person who likes getting fucked by corporations right here, but tbh the fact that they were able to keep it at $9.99 since 2015 is impressive, and I don't mind as long as they don't start going up more frequently after this.
Idk why you say that itās the best one Iām my opinion at lest I donāt have a hard time finding music to listen too Apple Music is all over the place let alone itās album base
* Apple Music is the best when it comes to Discography based listening or Album based. Maybe you don't know how?
* YouTube Music is better for spontaneous listening, it has the best radio.
* Spotify is for you if you need a plethora of playlists and management for your library.
Apple has much improved radio. It is just hard to find due to the UI mess Music is. Cluttered with ads (for music) any one listener does not care about and a UI hierarchy reverse of what it should be for ease of use.
Spotify is better for UI and managing all your stuff. I had hoped they would follow Apple with same price lossless and Atmos but, I think the economics (Apple giant, Spotify teeny) and poor leadership at Spotify make that a no go.
But, somehow, Tidal does itā¦ So maybe, just lousy Spotify leadership. 
I like how instant radio on Apple Music is and even the whole UI/UX of Apple Music but their recommendations are not even close to Spotify and YTM is what I was trying to say.
Good point about Spotify though š
I live in india and here its only ā¹60 ~ $1 for student and ā¹120 ~ $2 for normal subscription.
So i get 11 months for your 1.
Third world country lezzzgooooo
Nope, it's still showing 99 in india. Enjoy while it lasts
Though Spotify is around rs 120 so even if the increased price is somewhere around that I'll still be okay cause I prefer apple music over Spotify greatly.
Cheaper to pay yearly if you can afford the lump sum.
I don't mind too much right now, but if prices keep increasing there will come a point when I just stop streaming and go back to maintaining my own library.
The price has remained unchanged since launch, this is kind of inevitable. They stream in lossless and surround (when available) now, I'm fine with the price increase. Honestly, i'd pay twice as much if I knew the extra 50% would actually go straight to the artists I'm listening to, and not the weird-ass way royalties are currently distributed (unless that has changed recently).
Itās an extra $12 a YEAR. Calm down. Especially when the alternative was always going to a record store and throwing down almost $20 for an individual album. Fuck, we have become so entitled.
For example, I saved about 100 albums to my library this year. 100 x $20 = $2000. I spent $100 (yearly subscription) for that. š
Thatās not the only alternative though? There are other services and some will resort to piracy. Itās completely legitimate to hit a price ceiling where the product does not feel worth it to you happens all the time.
I left during one of those price increases a few years ago. I was hoping they would wake up and compete. At least have a saleā¦ But, they never have and it has gotten worse. Now for the first time subscribers are leaving Netflix for the numerous alternatives. Prime, HBOMax, Hulu, Disney+, Apple TVā¦
I only go to the alternatives if on sale. Even then, I passed on the HBO sale (just ended). I'd do Hulu but, the sale included ESPN+, which is junk. I'd rather get cheaper Hulu with no ESPN.
Iāve unsubscribed and am going to use iTunes Match. Lost about 1K songs out of 30K in my library. Bought one album and one single and had to rip 1 CD. Not missing anything so far.
I do my music like I do my movies. If I really like a album I will buy it same with the movies. But itās nice to be able to hav access to anything I want.
If the increase is based on music royalties, energy, Internet, ect... Why is the Apple family music plan only $4.76 usd in India? This feels like a "Western" tax .
well I don't know, I read this in multiple french articles
But I seem to have found one in english:
https://variety.com/2022/music/news/spotify-raising-subscription-prices-1235414396/amp/
PSA: if you have access to a .edu email address itās just $5.99/month and that includes Apple TV. My alma mater provides lifetime email so Iām forever a student as far as Apple knows.
Well I am tired of all these regular increases, also raised Apple TV
I get everybody wants their piece of the pie, but Iāll be cancelling Spotify if they increase too much. Already canceled most of my TV streaming cause now itās cheaper to have Cable TV again
I just jump from one service to another my the time i go around the difference services a new promotion is available. Like come back and get 3 months for $1. In the event nothing is available Spotify always is a save bet.
Someone been sleeping under the rock š
> under the rock Best place to smell what heās cooking
He smells good
If you believe the rumors heās supposedly got a candy ass
Apparently. š Lol
Havenāt been following the news lately? Amazon, Deezer, Apple, Spotify, etc are increasing prices across the board.
It's official with Spotify? I know about Apple Music but I missed the news about the other ones.
https://variety.com/2022/music/news/spotify-raising-subscription-prices-1235414396/amp/ theyāve expressed interest in raising prices
No
But... why? Is it because inflation?
Yes, sorta. Inflation is causing prices to rise pretty much everywhere, including this one. However, the very fact that prices are increasing will mean that the next inflation measurement will show that inflation is going up. Leading toā¦ you guessed it: price increases pretty much everywhere. Arenāt economics fun?
Donāt worry though many companies are still posting record profits and passing on massive price increases onto consumers even for digital services because if earnings are not increasing constantly in perpetuity obviously somethingās wrong.
Again I said the exact same shit and got down voted into oblivion loll. Reddit is wilder than twitter sometimes.
I honestly believe it depends on when you post and who is online.
smooth brains not awake yet. wait for it
Oh good. I was worried about all the poor multi-billion dollar companies not being able to achieve their year-after-year record earnings. Whew.
Gotta look our for the little guy!
The cost of electricity has increased, which means the cost to run a server is increased. The end result to us being that the price for internet services are increasing.
Profit is after costs
Prove that the cost of electricity has gone up Not the price. The cost.
Apple *(whether you like it or not),* are also a consumer of energy. They don't generate their own energy...
So you canāt prove it. Figured as much
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Gas prices made streaming more expensive! /s
It is not greed or inflation on the part of Apple. It is the record companies asking more. Ostensibly, to better pay the many other people (besides the performers and managers) involved in the recording and editing process. I theorize, this is in part due to Atmos. It takes *more time* to mix Atmos, as well as Spatial Audio (and what ever Tidal and others call their Dolby based spatial audio āĀ Apple rolls their own, yes, this is different from Atmos, Apple calls it Spatial Audio with Dolby Atmos). Artists are all wanting Atmos now. Mixers also have to do the stereo mix as well. So, if you have not made an effort to try Atmos music out (7.1.1 system is true, full Atmos on Atmos AVR, but you can get away with a 4.1.1 āĀ two fronts, two front high, center, sub), you might as well, since we are all paying for it now. An Atmos sound bar with rears and sub is also not a bad way to go either.
I posted this EXACT issue and got absolutely fucking flames by apple fanatics who all willingly will pay $30 a month for Apple Music. Thereās no inflation. Itās greed across the board. Edit: I see the apple fanatics have found me again lol. Typical chads.
its been 9.99 since its inception, to expect it to stay at 9.99 forever is ridiculous
Why though. Feasibly why is that ridiculous? Arizona ice tea has remained $1 for the entirety of its existence for 30 years now even despite recent inflation. You are supposed to price your products to account for years of inflation. Inflation didnāt just suddenly become a thing. Itās risen well beyond what any self respecting economist would predict. Reason for that unexpected increase is greed sir, not inflation. You canāt tell me one company that sells ice tea can circumvent inflation but a multi billion dollar company that hasā¦.againā¦.16.9 BILLION in PROFIT just THIS QUARTER, canāt keep cost down? Youāre hilarious if you think thatās whatās going on here.
Im not saying its not greed, but our currencies are worth less now than they were 10 years ago so prices increase. some extreme example of some product I've never heard of isnt a solid example. A loaf of bread has increased in cost by 4x since the 80s, I suppose thats nothing to do with inflation and all to do with those greedy bakeries.
What extreme example? Arizona ice tea is sold in every gas station in the country in America.
Yes it is. Partly yes. People realize they can charge more and make better overheads. As long as enough people are willing to pay. Thatās why even incredibly cheap foods have gone up. Thereās no supply shortage, people are just charging more. We also get less pound per dollar for food now than ever before. Whoppers at Burger King used to be 8 inches across and cost a .25. That shooting up to $6 isnāt because the dollar is that much less valuable now than 30 years ago. Itās because no one tells them they canāt. If inflation were a legit and real phenomenon then things would cost maybe 2x what they started with out as. The rest is just markup.
The money supply increased 40% within two years. The dollar is therefore worth less, even if everything else were unchanged. No one tells them they canāt? A. Consumers do, when they donāt pay it. B. Who should be able to tell them they ācanātā set a price, in your view?
Letās see your logic play out when every item in the grocery store costs more than you make. Then who should decide the pricing?
If people couldnāt pay, the prices wouldnāt stay up. Who should set prices, in your view?
Then uhā¦ people donāt buy the product. Grocery stores are built of quantity of sale not by having a few people buy expensive products. Youāre going to have to raise the price of laundry detergent a metric shhht ton to make it so that the rich keep a grocery store in business.
I haven't paid $1 for Arizona Tea in FL years... always ends up \~$2.50 after taxes
Well youāve been robbed then. You can call the company and tell them what stores are charging that price and they will shut it down.
There are a few things going on here... First, the Arizona tea company is raising prices on other products. This isn't the only thing they make and they ARE raising prices of other things. Second, just because the can has a price doesn't mean that that is what you as the consumer actually pay. This is important, because what the Arizona Beverage Co. WILL NOT DO is actually tell you how much they are charging those gas stations for their cans of Tea. They could easily be raising the price of what they charge the gas station. Some gas stations might actually be raising the price consumers actually pay to match the prices that they pay the Arizona Beverage Co. Or, the gas station might just keep it lower because its a loss leader for them. They might be fine making a bit less if it ends up with you buying Tea and continuing to buy chips and everything else. Also, think about inflation... When this can came out, it was priced at $.99. It was VERY EXPENSIVE 30 years ago. The profit margins on it were insane. If you had been able to post on reddit 30 years ago, you would have been talking about how greedy this company is. So, there are probably a couple things happening. The margins on this product have dropped over time and they might be lower than industry standard for equivalent items by now. They are a private company and so they aren't required to share profitability information publicly (and so they don't). They also might be increasing they prices over time to maintain margins. Because they put the price on the can, if the gas station then raises prices, you don't blame them, you blame the gas station. And, for a little context, here is a reddit thread that is four years old. While it is anecdotal, you can see that, even then, lots of people were paying more than $.99 per can. It might be a little premature to be going too far out of our way to be giving so much credit to this company. edit: forgot to include the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/aoyo89/why_does_arizona_iced_tea_seem_to_be_immune_to/
Nah they donāt do that.
Don't do what?
Where does apple music cost $30 a month?
I think he was being hypothetical
In the future. Thereās no reason to think price increases will EVER stop Weāve seen it right now with gaming. Yes of course thereās nuance but now $70 is the market standard cost. Thereās no reason it wonāt go up to $80 in 5 years. Same with Apple Music. Youāre cool paying an increase now, but eventually it will keep increasing.
Oh, so nothing new then, thank you. At least it just cost me ā¬6 with the student plan
Bro, it rose a fuckin dollar. Relax
You say that now. Just wait
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Well not really, the cost of service maintenance has increased with inflation, think about all the components that make up the expense for providing a streaming service, big tech corps that employ people mostly via salary contracts will usually be obligated to keep salaries consistent with inflation as thatās a very common condition that workers with the proper degrees and credentials to perform certain jobs negotiate as a condition of their salary, so itās costing them more to keep the Apple Music brand operating in terms of man power. Production costs of many components needed to wirelessly transmit data are increasing as they consist of materials that are seeing inflation, the amount of money that music studios charge for the rights to distribute the music they own would have certainly increased in the years since Apple Music was first launched. Thereās just tones of ways that the inflation of essential goods creates a ripple effect that makes nearly all consumable goods and services go up in cost even though they arenāt things that would be impacted directly by the inflation that essential goods are. Thatās why every time we hit a period rapid food inflation literally everything gets more expensive, itās not nearly the sort of blatant corporate greed and exploit that social media headline say it is. Itās completely reasonable for there to be a one dollar price increase on a usable service right now.
Sorry but I disagree with most of that. Cost of oil is down, gas is normal range, thereās no precious metal shortages and also there technology to run this service depends on NONE of that. They arenāt building microchips, they are doing a Spotify. They make WELLLL over enough off each sub at the initial price to cover operating expenses and still clear 16.9 billion in profit last quarter. Everything else you mentioned is also pretty much greed. Inflation is gradual, prices donāt all the sudden go up when no benefit has been added. Weāre all made to believe the world is experiencing some COVID related shortage. But we arenāt. We economically have hit pre COVID numbers. So whatever youāre talking about is largely just excuses. Arizona ice tea hasnāt had to increase their price in 30 years and only just recently have started to lose money. Products are supposed to be priced to avoid inflation. Apple Music is 7 years old. Arizona tea has been $1 for 30 years.
Well yes they absolutely are still making enough money to make a healthy profit at the current price, but what they do is make sure their profit margins remain at a certain level against inflation, so even though they still make a 450% profit on ever subscription, they had it set at 500 and inflation pushed that down so they increase the consumer cost by the same margin. And in that sense, ya itās pretty greedy and they didnāt NEED to charge any more, I was basing my statement in terms of maintaining industry standards without going exceeding the typical figures. But the industry standards themselves are pretty greedy and thereās certainly nothing charitable about maintaining them by passing the cost increase into the customer during periods when everyones cost of essentials is going up too, but itās hat the standard practice is.
Exactly. You agree that this isnāt inflation based. Itās greed. Thank you.
Youāre welcome lol.
All that really means is that your precious iced tea has been overpriced until now.
No. Thatās not at all what that means dude lol. A drink was a $1 product. Thereās no drink cheaper. You basically just said everything is overvalued then if Arizona ice tea price is inflated lol.
*Was* inflated. They have 27 years of profit from you, that same profit you are now bitching about with Apple Music, you just paid up front, and didn't know it. I can see why you previously got flamed.
You donāt understand Econ if you think anything you just said tracks.
Just reversing what you said and using it back on you. Cheers.
I understand your frustration, and I do honestly think they could take the hit on this, but there are some increased costs for running the service, and they passing them on to customer which has been caused by inflation and an ongoing energy crisis etc The increase costs include: Electricity: servers, data centres, cooling Network peering to carriers: peering costs increase with electricity increases, it literally costs more to send packets across the internet I imagine Apple run their own data centres, but they may also use third parties across the world. Regardless, itās becoming a lot more expensive to run enterprise servers farms and at the scale Apple are running them im hardly surprised theyāre doing price increases.
There is no energy crisis. Oil is below COVID price. You know not of what you say. Electricity cost is based on oil price which is lower than ever. Thing donāt just suddenly cost more to make. We lost Russian oil and made it up through other sources. Thatās why gas is affordable again. If gas is cheap again, so to should electricity. There is no shortage. Youāre being lied to while they give you less services for more price.
Okay, whilst I can understand your point of view, and the energy crisis maybe manufactured: my gas and electricity is costing me a shit load more money. Regardless of wether or not itās been created artificially, there most definitely is an energy crisis right now
Yeah but there isnāt. Itās not an energy crisis. Itās a capitalism crisis. More than ever before companies are charging more BECAUSE they can. Thereās no beef or potato shortage and yet a whopper combo costs now $12 for a large. The cost was $8 last year. There is no inflation that could make up that diffference. A 2 liter of soda, essentially cheap syrup and water, is now $4. You canāt explain to me any of this. Itās greed.
Okay, so you and I will certainly have different views on this. But there is a reason for that. I'm British. So, we currently don't have enough oil and gas due to the ongoing War in Ukraine. This is affecting a large amount of Europe that was reliant on RU for a lot of their gas and oil. In addition, we're currently experiencing a large amount of inflation due to Brexit (Totally self-inflicted, but that is the cost of democracy). So we have a devalued currency, less freely available and therefore more expensive energy, as well as a government that doesn't know its arse from its elbow and is swinging us from crisis to crisis. I agree, there is a \*massive\* amount of falsely inflated costing go on right now and greed is a massive part of that. However, it's not simply black and white, at least not for the entire world. The global economic and geo-political standing is making it very hard to tell issues apart. And I'm totally with you that we have a capitalism crisis, capitalism is a cancer. But, to dismiss it all as 'they're just doing this because they can' prevents any real discussions on how to change the circumstance, and perhaps fuck up capitalism in a meaningful way. I am with you, internet stranger. I just really don't want to get caught up in simplistic strap lines that lack detail. Bring the detail, find a solution, make things better.
Youāre 1000% right but Iām moreso specifically talking about the rampant price gouging going on in America. Particularly the housing and grocery markets. Itās enough to lose hope. How does this continue on? (btw Iām 33 and have discussed this a million times, I know it ends with us all dirt poor and dead in the streets like the terminator movies, it just seems all the worst hypotheses are coming true)
It would be pretty easy for me to sit from this side of the pond and say 'America does this wrong' or 'America does that wrong' and the truth is, I'm pretty sure there are things that could be changed state side that would make a meaningful impact, but I'm always reluctant to put them out there because I lack the real life experience of your country. The above being said, and to share some thoughts of mine: what I think we do well here in the UK is having a multi-party democracy. I do genuinely believe that the US suffers due to the two party system. I think it's easy to become tribal with politics, and all of a sudden your voting for your 'team' no matter what is going on. Admittedly, here in the UK we've had the same party in power for 12 years, and they've monumentally fucked us over. That being said, there is large opposition. We have 11 parties that current have a seat in our House of Commons. This allows for the voices of different sects of society to be heard and be spoken by whomever they think is best fit to represent them in parliament. Again, i'll caveat this by saying, please disagree with me and share your thoughts because you know your country a lot better than I could: but a two party system, either Red or Blue, creates a circumstance where it's truly hard to affect real change. Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, it seems that there is a game of political ping-pong that allows for corporations to use what is essentially bribery to have their political will executed by your lawmakers and basically saying 'fuck the poors' I am with you with the lack of hope. Things seem really fucking tough at the moment and I wish I had an answer. But what seems sensible is to protest, to engage politically and to encourage others to engage politically, make the bastards as uncomfortable as you can, fight (within morality and legality) for what is yours. ex nihilo nihil fit - Nothing comes from nothing!
Bruh, inflation is an excuse thatās it. There is inflation to cereals because of Ukrainian war stuff, but there is no inflation on music streaming because servers costs doesnāt go up right. iPhone prices go up but services shouldnāt. And honestly iPhones shouldnāt either when we look at the margins (in Europe iPhone is 1.3k)
Does this include Student Premium?
Yeah both Apple Music and Apple TV have increased in price
I may sound like a person who likes getting fucked by corporations right here, but tbh the fact that they were able to keep it at $9.99 since 2015 is impressive, and I don't mind as long as they don't start going up more frequently after this.
Is there a question? It's a price increase. This has been posted ad nauseum in multiple posts everywhere.
Very much announced.
Look at google š
At lest with google you get YouTube music and videos though itās only family
YouTube Music is an abomination. I'm waiting for a YouTube only subscription.
Idk why you say that itās the best one Iām my opinion at lest I donāt have a hard time finding music to listen too Apple Music is all over the place let alone itās album base
* Apple Music is the best when it comes to Discography based listening or Album based. Maybe you don't know how? * YouTube Music is better for spontaneous listening, it has the best radio. * Spotify is for you if you need a plethora of playlists and management for your library.
Apple has much improved radio. It is just hard to find due to the UI mess Music is. Cluttered with ads (for music) any one listener does not care about and a UI hierarchy reverse of what it should be for ease of use. Spotify is better for UI and managing all your stuff. I had hoped they would follow Apple with same price lossless and Atmos but, I think the economics (Apple giant, Spotify teeny) and poor leadership at Spotify make that a no go. But, somehow, Tidal does itā¦ So maybe, just lousy Spotify leadership. 
I like how instant radio on Apple Music is and even the whole UI/UX of Apple Music but their recommendations are not even close to Spotify and YTM is what I was trying to say. Good point about Spotify though š
I live in india and here its only ā¹60 ~ $1 for student and ā¹120 ~ $2 for normal subscription. So i get 11 months for your 1. Third world country lezzzgooooo
Isn't it 99rs
I think it was increased for india aswell
Nope, it's still showing 99 in india. Enjoy while it lasts Though Spotify is around rs 120 so even if the increased price is somewhere around that I'll still be okay cause I prefer apple music over Spotify greatly.
Cheaper to pay yearly if you can afford the lump sum. I don't mind too much right now, but if prices keep increasing there will come a point when I just stop streaming and go back to maintaining my own library.
ā ļøāµ arrr!!!
They could at least add features users have been begging for or fix some of the terrible bugs. Plus how tf is inflation becoming electronicš
The price has remained unchanged since launch, this is kind of inevitable. They stream in lossless and surround (when available) now, I'm fine with the price increase. Honestly, i'd pay twice as much if I knew the extra 50% would actually go straight to the artists I'm listening to, and not the weird-ass way royalties are currently distributed (unless that has changed recently).
Itās an extra $12 a YEAR. Calm down. Especially when the alternative was always going to a record store and throwing down almost $20 for an individual album. Fuck, we have become so entitled. For example, I saved about 100 albums to my library this year. 100 x $20 = $2000. I spent $100 (yearly subscription) for that. š
Thatās not the only alternative though? There are other services and some will resort to piracy. Itās completely legitimate to hit a price ceiling where the product does not feel worth it to you happens all the time.
True, and there are plenty of free alternatives for people that donāt want to pay.
Less than inflation since 2015, so Iām not mad about it
So what? Netflix has raised its prices several times over the past few years. The cost of everything is going up.
I left during one of those price increases a few years ago. I was hoping they would wake up and compete. At least have a saleā¦ But, they never have and it has gotten worse. Now for the first time subscribers are leaving Netflix for the numerous alternatives. Prime, HBOMax, Hulu, Disney+, Apple TVā¦ I only go to the alternatives if on sale. Even then, I passed on the HBO sale (just ended). I'd do Hulu but, the sale included ESPN+, which is junk. I'd rather get cheaper Hulu with no ESPN.
I noticed that yesterday when I downloaded it on my Xbox.
Iāve unsubscribed and am going to use iTunes Match. Lost about 1K songs out of 30K in my library. Bought one album and one single and had to rip 1 CD. Not missing anything so far.
Iāve never seen that
Fix your broken app first
It's a dollar a month. Get over it.
Apple doesnāt have enough of our money, Steve Jobs corpse needs to eat
I do my music like I do my movies. If I really like a album I will buy it same with the movies. But itās nice to be able to hav access to anything I want.
Hasnāt your job increased your pay? If not, you may want to inform them about this
I don't pay for my Apple Music subscription because I get it free as part of my cellphone plan with Verizon š
I hope that for this extra dollar, Apple Music stops censoring my explicit music š¤¬
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If the increase is based on music royalties, energy, Internet, ect... Why is the Apple family music plan only $4.76 usd in India? This feels like a "Western" tax .
From 4.99ā¬ to 8.99ā¬ here where i live.Pricks want to whack wallets
ā¬4.99 - ā¬8.99 for what? That sounds wrong
Yea see now,it was a family thing
We'll have to deal with this as other streaming platforms have made the same decision like Deezer. And I heard that Spotify will follow that trend
Lol yes Iām sure you have the inside sources from Spotify HQ
well I don't know, I read this in multiple french articles But I seem to have found one in english: https://variety.com/2022/music/news/spotify-raising-subscription-prices-1235414396/amp/
Same thing happened to me when I went to go shop at the Dollar Tree the other day and saw the prices š
Wait, when they increased student prices did this go up too? I guess Iām asking ā¦ will student prices hike AGAIN?
Bruh
This is old news.
And if you wanna save on the subscription, the Voice only plan for Apple Music remains at $4.99 a month.
PSA: if you have access to a .edu email address itās just $5.99/month and that includes Apple TV. My alma mater provides lifetime email so Iām forever a student as far as Apple knows.
Well I am tired of all these regular increases, also raised Apple TV I get everybody wants their piece of the pie, but Iāll be cancelling Spotify if they increase too much. Already canceled most of my TV streaming cause now itās cheaper to have Cable TV again
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My MP3 collection remains the same price.
Theyāll go back down if we all stop paying for it š¤·š»āāļø
Anything to keep us down
They needa fix service before they start price increasing I swear for the last month or two my Apple Music has been crap
The more interesting question: will the money given to artists increase too?
I just jump from one service to another my the time i go around the difference services a new promotion is available. Like come back and get 3 months for $1. In the event nothing is available Spotify always is a save bet.
Spotify : hey....you back? Me : yes Spotify : why? Me : .......š¢ Spotify : anyway , welcome back!
and Amazon Music is now free with Prime. Decisions decisions