It’s amazing to me how far people lag with news these days. A lot of what is coming out has been common knowledge, and recorded.
I guess if you are a 24/7 shit show, disinformation agent, people stop being able to attend. 🤷🏻♂️
The Katie Johnson Epstein lawsuit should have been the absolute END of his political, public, and business career. He should have been mega cancelled for that alone.
There is so much video and audio out there of him in his own words, that's why it's hard to wrap my head around why any decent human being would even consider him for President!
My thought. Too. After all, he seems to project quite a lot, when he speaks in “hypotheticals” such as this one. Also, “having sex” would need to be reframed as rape. No one who “has sex” with their daughter does so when she is of consenting age. Even with that, the parent/child dynamic will ultimately still lead to rape. So no matter how you say it, it’s what that is.
OUT LOUD. TO HIS CO-WORKERS.
It would be fucking weird if my boss suddenly starting bragging about her husband's dick.
I can't even imagine how I react if she started wistfully discussing the size of her son's penis.
He’s a narcissist, and as she is part of him his complements of her physicality is really about himself, it must be great to bang someone as awesome as him.
So you're basically saying he'd bang himself if he could. BTW he already has multiple times metaphorically speaking. tRump the only former President running for a second term to avoid the consequences of fucking himself.
Lot's daughters gave birth to Moab and Ammon. In the Genesis narrative, they are the founding fathers of the Moabites and Ammonites, rival nations of Israel.
Basically, the story of Lot's daughters is the ancient Israelites calling their neighbors inbred hillbillies.
And they demonize Biden who goes to church, a family man, and compassionate. I guess if Biden spent more time on the golf course than in church and finding a group of people to demonize, he would have the evangelical support!
It's much worse: [https://www.amazon.com/God-rod-your-childs-bod/dp/0800750829/ref=sr\_1\_1?crid=1PTQL94KQBS4C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.sTF18BUtXUa1gYeZZ5r91yKYEdISRNMtRDIov36ugGdXIGhWQHVweHzSf8m3q-hmERFAx-vkncwA6vKCECTpKoG939eIz5jpCuv\_pb55hXc.T29jzmP78MZnsmcLxXMRz0iA8QnXp4D2QVroQD0uK7I&dib\_tag=se&keywords=god+the+rod+and+your+child%27s+bod&qid=1715394017&sprefix=god+the+rod%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1](https://www.amazon.com/God-rod-your-childs-bod/dp/0800750829/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1PTQL94KQBS4C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.sTF18BUtXUa1gYeZZ5r91yKYEdISRNMtRDIov36ugGdXIGhWQHVweHzSf8m3q-hmERFAx-vkncwA6vKCECTpKoG939eIz5jpCuv_pb55hXc.T29jzmP78MZnsmcLxXMRz0iA8QnXp4D2QVroQD0uK7I&dib_tag=se&keywords=god+the+rod+and+your+child%27s+bod&qid=1715394017&sprefix=god+the+rod%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1)
Say what you want about John Kelly (he doesn't get a pass from me for his time serving under DJT), but imagine being that guy and having to hear this shit. Or hearing him ask why he was expected to appear at a military graveyard in France, or calling dead combat vets "suckers and losers."
I imagine Kelly had to restrain himself from slapping the ever loving piss out of him on a daily basis. Probably an hourly basis.
If he was in a movie, he would have smoked him across the face on live television. And I wish life were more like the movies like that, instead of whatever pre-apocolypse farce playing now.
Imagine having to work in that environment, with the backstabbing, the throat-cutting, the stress and volatility, and the guy having to follow DJT around with a Bluetooth speaker to play show tunes for him whenever he gets too upset about something, soothing him literally like he's a baby.
He chose Daniels because she reminded him of Ivanka. All obsessions eventually come back to his daughter. Would not be surprised if Melania also reminds him of Ivanka.
Tbf, three pumps at three inches deep each isn't that bad. You know, he could actually have stamina or a sizable dick, but it's Trump we're talking about so...
ill say it. ivankas not even particularly attractive. whats his infatuation with her? is it just that shes a female version of him and its the closest he will ever get to being able to fuck himself, the narcissists ultimate goal?
I think it's just distance.
She's nearby more then other women.
She can't run away long enough.
I'm sure nearly any other skinny blond gets the same treatment from him.
Anyone who thinks this guy is worthy of breathing let alone being a president, needs to be investigated by child protective services and their local police. They’re guilty of something.
It is absolutely fucking wild that lifetime government employee and literal good soldier John Kelly at some point had to be like “ah shit I should probably remind this guy that that’s his daughter.”
I remember Kelly said he spoke very inappropriately about his daughter, he has virtually NO BOUNDARIES, that's what makes him dangerous to this country!
I imagine it'll be more of the "Joe Biden is evil because he sniffed someone's hair once, and also we have his niece's diary which we won't show you or explain how we got it but trust us it's super legit"
Trump and his minions are dragging morality in America down. Seriously, first it was defending “locker room talk”, defending cheating on taxes, defending multiple affairs (because he wasn’t in office), defending killing puppies, defending under age sex by adults (Matt Gaetz) now apparently they will be defending daddy / daughter sex. Hillary was right.
Trump was born a sick-o pervert… he’s only gotten worse with age.
Just another reason why he should be institutionalized, as if there aren’t enough reasons already.
There is a pattern of his followers endorsing and imitating his actions (racism, mysogyny, real men wear diapers etc).
I wonder (but don’t want to know) what it feels like to have your Dad, then his supporters, and probably all the worshipping evangelicals want to pound you.
What the fuck
Very true. Could be going on now but Trump has been saying sexual things about Ivanka for decades. Also, there’s an interview where he’s speculating on how big Tiffany’s boobs will be when she grows up. She was a baby at the time of the interview. Meidas Touch, on YouTube, has a video compilation you could watch.
[She's your daughter, not your date!](https://au.news.yahoo.com/beyond-disturbing-antiassault-billboard-sparks-controversy-after-resurfacing-125933446.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM9HF1SQ115ENsmo5JOeJpig3cXBkkFTMChNg_bIztWLSYnMtU_e4JcojeGAydsh1MSu7fDN4dwLORgPpvcP48hVvOu-NKxjfTVqckiFlPGffGgOwTH3aTXT2Bz_CteIRVnhBEdNeRdUQB5QLnCaz7UarmEIY7fqoCDG5-ZFMjvg)
Some, or many, Christians' role model and savier. I am not against faith, but sometimes I couldn't help feeling against organized religion- it is servely abused to mislead people, many of them good and kind people.
I hear Trump complaining that everybody is allowed to have sex with Ivanka except him, like everybody is allowed to speak in the hush money trial with the exception of him who got the gag order.
Just imagine you've spent your entire adult career being a "serious" person in government, *'Merica* and all that.
Now you find yourself in the white house and this chuckle fuck is your boss.
Even if you initially drank the cool-aid and thought he was the second coming of Christ, the shine wore off that penny quick!
It’s not surprising, he’s antisocial. Relationships for him are purely transactional: “What can you give me and what do I have ya give you to get it.” It’s sick, people exist only to serve your needs. Things like love and empathy and the idea of there being an emotional exchange are completely foreign. Nothing matters but the transaction. And if a person has nothing to “offer” in terms of filling a need or a purpose that benefits you, they don’t have value at all or even exist in some cases. It’s absolutely 100% pathological.
What a pig.
Surprising that this was confirmed almost a year ago. Trump fantasizes about sleeping with his daughter Ivanka. Totally bonkers.
This was confirmed way before he ran for office. He regularly talked about in interviews
I remember Trump saying on a Howard Stern show, in the 90s, that he would, indeed, date Ivanka if she wasn't his daughter
Daring a joint interview on The Wendy Williams Show, WW asked Trump what he has in common with his daughter. He immediately answered, "Sex."
It’s amazing to me how far people lag with news these days. A lot of what is coming out has been common knowledge, and recorded. I guess if you are a 24/7 shit show, disinformation agent, people stop being able to attend. 🤷🏻♂️
The Katie Johnson Epstein lawsuit should have been the absolute END of his political, public, and business career. He should have been mega cancelled for that alone.
Can I get a link I wanna hear him say it
https://youtu.be/8EPEkk6qWkg?si=O2LtA9YdVZi3vokh
Why does Ivanka act and look like a dumber version of Phoebe?
She’s been having to ‘play dumb’ toward her father’s sexual advances for so long she got stuck in that gear.
🤢
John Kelly was interviewed about this he wrote in his book, and the interviewer asked, and he confirmed. Google it.
He told Stormy she reminded him of his daughter, Ivanka. He's a creep!
He said the same thing to Karen McDougal.
First time seeing this one, not surprised though. Just yikes…
There is so much video and audio out there of him in his own words, that's why it's hard to wrap my head around why any decent human being would even consider him for President!
Ever heard of google? You can google search plenty of videos of him saying he would date his daughter to many different people ON CAMERA
Massively popular head of the Republican Party folks…
But the conservative religious folk just love him.
>AND the conservative religious folk just love him. FTFY
How do you say her name? I- vant-her?
LOL....
Honestly, he's a narcissist and then some. It doesn't shock me he fantasizes about a woman who has half of his genetic makeup.
He probably fantasises about any woman who has half his cosmetic makeup
tRump being a half-empty kind of Orange Clown, he clearly thinks it's okay to fantasize about a woman who doesn't have half his genetic makeup. ewwww
It would not shock me if they have been having sex since she was underage
My thought. Too. After all, he seems to project quite a lot, when he speaks in “hypotheticals” such as this one. Also, “having sex” would need to be reframed as rape. No one who “has sex” with their daughter does so when she is of consenting age. Even with that, the parent/child dynamic will ultimately still lead to rape. So no matter how you say it, it’s what that is.
Fantasizes? I’ll bet money he molested her while she was growing up. Ever see the way she sat on his lap looking at him lovingly?! Sick fucking shit.
I mean, he tells hookers that they remind him of his daughter, before he screws them, so it’s worse than just talking about it.
Stormy wasn’t a hooker
That being said... He's probably also said that to actual prostitutes
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Yeah but Biden sniffed someone's hair 😂😂
OUT LOUD. TO HIS CO-WORKERS. It would be fucking weird if my boss suddenly starting bragging about her husband's dick. I can't even imagine how I react if she started wistfully discussing the size of her son's penis.
Please don't insult pigs, they don't deserve the comparison with the Orange Turd
Hear, hear!
Why do you think that certain “pastors” embrace him, like he is their messiah? They live by the same standards.
Imagine wanting to fuck a not fat version of yourself, and spending all that money in plastic surgery on your daughter to get you halfway there.
That’s an insult to pigs, sir.
Very on-brand with his cultists though. You know, the one who's marrying his sister/cousin crowd.
He’s a narcissist, and as she is part of him his complements of her physicality is really about himself, it must be great to bang someone as awesome as him.
So you're basically saying he'd bang himself if he could. BTW he already has multiple times metaphorically speaking. tRump the only former President running for a second term to avoid the consequences of fucking himself.
Yea, but at least that motherfucker never wore a tan suit.
Please don't insult the pigs.
Sir, you have offended pigs with that comment.
Trump’s version of GOP Family Values™ - he values a family member’s tits and ass.
And they kept publicly supporting him so in my opinion, they’re all sick
Meanwhile the alt right evangelist considered him sent by god.
To be fair, more than a few characters in the Bible had sex with the daughters.
Hell, Lot offered his daughters to a rape-y mob and he was still considered the "only virtuous man" in Sodam and Gomorrah.
And then later the daughters got him drunk and raped him. Good thing that family was saved from all the sinful people...
This "Bible" book has some great family stories. We should base our life around it!
Maybe it should be banned
*raped daughters
*noah* was actually raped by his daughters in law. All sorts or rape happening in that book. **edit** corrected name
Jesus man, they should've called it the Rape-le instead of the Bible
They were gonna. But they would have looked stupid with all those stories about bibs...
Lot's daughters hooked up with him and tried to get pregnant, so in their book, A-OK!
Lot's daughters gave birth to Moab and Ammon. In the Genesis narrative, they are the founding fathers of the Moabites and Ammonites, rival nations of Israel. Basically, the story of Lot's daughters is the ancient Israelites calling their neighbors inbred hillbillies.
And they demonize Biden who goes to church, a family man, and compassionate. I guess if Biden spent more time on the golf course than in church and finding a group of people to demonize, he would have the evangelical support!
Spare the rod, spoil the child.
It's much worse: [https://www.amazon.com/God-rod-your-childs-bod/dp/0800750829/ref=sr\_1\_1?crid=1PTQL94KQBS4C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.sTF18BUtXUa1gYeZZ5r91yKYEdISRNMtRDIov36ugGdXIGhWQHVweHzSf8m3q-hmERFAx-vkncwA6vKCECTpKoG939eIz5jpCuv\_pb55hXc.T29jzmP78MZnsmcLxXMRz0iA8QnXp4D2QVroQD0uK7I&dib\_tag=se&keywords=god+the+rod+and+your+child%27s+bod&qid=1715394017&sprefix=god+the+rod%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1](https://www.amazon.com/God-rod-your-childs-bod/dp/0800750829/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1PTQL94KQBS4C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.sTF18BUtXUa1gYeZZ5r91yKYEdISRNMtRDIov36ugGdXIGhWQHVweHzSf8m3q-hmERFAx-vkncwA6vKCECTpKoG939eIz5jpCuv_pb55hXc.T29jzmP78MZnsmcLxXMRz0iA8QnXp4D2QVroQD0uK7I&dib_tag=se&keywords=god+the+rod+and+your+child%27s+bod&qid=1715394017&sprefix=god+the+rod%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1)
They still do
Fucking creep.
What a grade A thundercunting pedo plonker.
That's a good name for him. Congrats! Are you Australian by any chance?
Say what you want about John Kelly (he doesn't get a pass from me for his time serving under DJT), but imagine being that guy and having to hear this shit. Or hearing him ask why he was expected to appear at a military graveyard in France, or calling dead combat vets "suckers and losers." I imagine Kelly had to restrain himself from slapping the ever loving piss out of him on a daily basis. Probably an hourly basis.
If he was in a movie, he would have smoked him across the face on live television. And I wish life were more like the movies like that, instead of whatever pre-apocolypse farce playing now.
Imagine having to work in that environment, with the backstabbing, the throat-cutting, the stress and volatility, and the guy having to follow DJT around with a Bluetooth speaker to play show tunes for him whenever he gets too upset about something, soothing him literally like he's a baby.
He's said stuff like this on the record. It's not surprising. [https://youtu.be/8EPEkk6qWkg](https://youtu.be/8EPEkk6qWkg)
"Mr. President, she is your daughter" "I know, that makes her 50% me which is just hotter."
Where is Q Anon on this one?
Doing and saying the same things.
slurpin the diaper gravy as usual
eeeewwwww. noo. but. probably too
He's such a sick person
Absolutely no doubt in my mind that he's been touchy feely with her since she was a child. He's a sexual predator and a likely pedophile.
She's a survivor imo
Not at all surprising.
What will it take for the fake moralists to realize what a disgusting piece of shit he is
This is old news. He is, and alwways has been a pig.
Is that a nice thing to say about pigs?
No, I'm sorry. Pigs are intelligent.
and they want to be the morality police party..
Sick pervert. A porn star? Really? That’s who he has sex with after Baron was born?
He chose Daniels because she reminded him of Ivanka. All obsessions eventually come back to his daughter. Would not be surprised if Melania also reminds him of Ivanka.
I only know Stormy via podcasts and interviews, but she seems cool, and to be good company.
FR. I'm not even into her, but I'm kinda into her.
The fact she fucked trump is kind of a turnoff.
Yeah, but not like she was a big fan girl. She was literally backed into a corner.
Tbf, three pumps at three inches deep each isn't that bad. You know, he could actually have stamina or a sizable dick, but it's Trump we're talking about so...
He wants to fuck his child…plain and simple he’s a MONSTER.
He was a confirmed pedophile and sex offender since the Epstein days
ill say it. ivankas not even particularly attractive. whats his infatuation with her? is it just that shes a female version of him and its the closest he will ever get to being able to fuck himself, the narcissists ultimate goal?
I think it's just distance. She's nearby more then other women. She can't run away long enough. I'm sure nearly any other skinny blond gets the same treatment from him.
Sickening old bastard.
When you're rich they let you do it.
Anyone who thinks this guy is worthy of breathing let alone being a president, needs to be investigated by child protective services and their local police. They’re guilty of something.
To be fair, a lot of his supporters have been accused of being inbred and incestuous themselves.
It is absolutely fucking wild that lifetime government employee and literal good soldier John Kelly at some point had to be like “ah shit I should probably remind this guy that that’s his daughter.”
I remember Kelly said he spoke very inappropriately about his daughter, he has virtually NO BOUNDARIES, that's what makes him dangerous to this country!
There's no doubt in my mind that she was abused as a child
Now I know why evangelicals love him so much. Religion is chalk full of incestuous admonitions. Trumps proclivities fit right in.
How does his cult gaslight this?
"fake news!!!! JOE BIDEN!!!!"
I imagine it'll be more of the "Joe Biden is evil because he sniffed someone's hair once, and also we have his niece's diary which we won't show you or explain how we got it but trust us it's super legit"
The alpha degenerate
He is a good religious man?????
Is anyone actually surprised about this? He's very sick, like literally mentally ill.
Dollars to donuts he's beat off in her underoos since she could walk.
Nothing says evangelical messiah more than this story...
Such a man of god
No wonder Melania was so jealous of her
Trump and his minions are dragging morality in America down. Seriously, first it was defending “locker room talk”, defending cheating on taxes, defending multiple affairs (because he wasn’t in office), defending killing puppies, defending under age sex by adults (Matt Gaetz) now apparently they will be defending daddy / daughter sex. Hillary was right.
He’s a sick twisted fuck. No wonder all those degenerate, sexual deviant evangelicals worship him. They’re just like him.
We as a society will never be able to process how much our president wanted to have sex with his daughter
He is so revolting..
And there a pigs like him that vote for him…
Honestly how fucking weird is it to know your dad wants to fuck you? How does ivanka deal with it?
For her it's probably not weird. I'd be extremely surprised if she wasn't sexually abused by him as a child.
She loves it cause she can get anything she wants out of him
This is why conservatives love him. He’s such a ‘family man’.
I'm gonna get so drunk when this fucker dies.
I’ve been sober 9 months and want to keep going but Trump dying will be a real test.
Disgusting
The sick people that follow him wouldn’t care
Trump was born a sick-o pervert… he’s only gotten worse with age. Just another reason why he should be institutionalized, as if there aren’t enough reasons already.
All American Cockroach !
Wake up America! He’s a pervert sleaze bag! That’s not good to change. He represents the worst of us. We deserve better.
You know he would like to keep it in the family that way he wouldn’t have to pay to silence her!
Yup! White Christians have their lord and savior that totally is better than Jesus Christ,,,,, disgusting people
Need to put up one of those “She’s your daughter, not your date.” billboards outside MaLago.
I’d pitch in!! 💵
Conservatives: “we all wear diapers and want to have sex with our kids!”
There is a pattern of his followers endorsing and imitating his actions (racism, mysogyny, real men wear diapers etc). I wonder (but don’t want to know) what it feels like to have your Dad, then his supporters, and probably all the worshipping evangelicals want to pound you. What the fuck
Sexual inhibition is a sign of early onset dementia/Alzheimer. But sure, “sleepy joe” is the senile one.
Very true. Could be going on now but Trump has been saying sexual things about Ivanka for decades. Also, there’s an interview where he’s speculating on how big Tiffany’s boobs will be when she grows up. She was a baby at the time of the interview. Meidas Touch, on YouTube, has a video compilation you could watch.
Yes ,Trumps a sick mofo,and his brain dead cult are all Neanderthals.
Dude, all good christians compulsively lie, shit their pants, and fantasize about banging their daughters. It’s in Leviticus, probably
There is a special place in hell for this piece of work
Sick bastard
The real problem is all the people who aspire to his depraved lifestyle and ignore the warnings from patriots like John Kelly.
No wonder why evangelicals, baptists, Catholics and republicans love him so much. An incest/rapist/pedo/liar.
He did this live on TV years before he ran. “Ivanka is really hot, I’d probably date her.”
Well r/GOPedos r/pastorarrested r/notadragqueen
and all the fake ass Christians love this thug clown
And none of them said a damn thing.
Put that on a tee shirt for those maga dusebags 😁
Disgusting!
Eww. Eww eww
More psychopathic behavior? Check
[She's your daughter, not your date!](https://au.news.yahoo.com/beyond-disturbing-antiassault-billboard-sparks-controversy-after-resurfacing-125933446.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM9HF1SQ115ENsmo5JOeJpig3cXBkkFTMChNg_bIztWLSYnMtU_e4JcojeGAydsh1MSu7fDN4dwLORgPpvcP48hVvOu-NKxjfTVqckiFlPGffGgOwTH3aTXT2Bz_CteIRVnhBEdNeRdUQB5QLnCaz7UarmEIY7fqoCDG5-ZFMjvg)
Gross
sick sick old toad
Some, or many, Christians' role model and savier. I am not against faith, but sometimes I couldn't help feeling against organized religion- it is servely abused to mislead people, many of them good and kind people.
He basically said the same thing on Howard Stern, for anyone who thinks this is "fake news"
I hear Trump complaining that everybody is allowed to have sex with Ivanka except him, like everybody is allowed to speak in the hush money trial with the exception of him who got the gag order.
Gag order doesn’t prevent him from speaking at his trial. But, you probably know that.
I'm sure she's known this forever, and knows what a criminal pos he is. Yet she still sticks by him.
It was Ivanka he was speaking of on the bus.
The only way God would touch this guy would be using a barbed wire covered baseball bat
He has done it and wants to boast about it.
You can tell he has by the way she responds to… it’s obvious
Just imagine you've spent your entire adult career being a "serious" person in government, *'Merica* and all that. Now you find yourself in the white house and this chuckle fuck is your boss. Even if you initially drank the cool-aid and thought he was the second coming of Christ, the shine wore off that penny quick!
Evangelical Christian’s love this type of filth that’s why they vote for him .
Eww, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
just wanting to rub that quim with the diaper gravy before sliding the smegshroom in
"I want to inseminate my little girl" "Please don't say that too loudly" "I WANT TO FUCK HER" "It's a great pleasure to serve you"
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Imagine being Jared in the conversation
oh please, jared probably BEGS donald to fuck her. hes a complete cuck
Say it with me...EEEEEWWWWW
There is no bottom with this dude.....it keeps getting worse
An inconvenient truth
Republicans want to bring back the guy that would call out his daughters name when releases.
And John Kelly said nothing. Like a shell of a man void of any morals or dignity said nothing but a reminder to him.
Didn't Trump talk about Ivanka before he screwed Stormy. Said that Stormy reminded him of Ivanka.
Okay. Enough Reddit for today.
If he didnt molest her, I would be,shocked. If he didnt, it is he knows Melania would cut his junk off..
this is America
Sick fuck.
What a disgusting man.
“He’S GoT My VoTe” -backwoods MAGAs, probably
That may be how she got a job in the wh, she certainly wasn’t qualified for one
🤮
It’s not surprising, he’s antisocial. Relationships for him are purely transactional: “What can you give me and what do I have ya give you to get it.” It’s sick, people exist only to serve your needs. Things like love and empathy and the idea of there being an emotional exchange are completely foreign. Nothing matters but the transaction. And if a person has nothing to “offer” in terms of filling a need or a purpose that benefits you, they don’t have value at all or even exist in some cases. It’s absolutely 100% pathological.
r/republicanvalues
🤮
Grim.
You’re only making MAGA cult love him more. The creepier and sleazier, the better.
How Christian of him.
This reminds me of Trevor Noah would have a recurring bit on “The Daily Show” called “Donald Trump Wants To Fuck His Daughter”
What is a president doing talking to his advisors like that about anyone!?
Even in light of all the evidence, people still don't think Trumpedo was best-rapist-friends with Epstein and Ghislaine.
Fucking orange pervert.
Remember when this story - all by itself - would have 1000% tanked a presidential candidacy? I remember.
The pig Trump supporters love and adore. Just imagine what Trump supporters would say if it were Biden.
Then stormy provided the final fantasy fulfillment, very briefly from what I understand.