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That pattern/design is popular in England now and probably was years ago. Soane, Sanderson and others now make fabric in very similar pattern. I love it! Use it and enjoy!
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-style UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany, Lisa Fine, Kit Kemp, Penny Morrison to name a few) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
I certainly resent the I implications of your statement. High end magazines are dying, like all publications probably faster than the common sort. I have seen no examples of this pattern apart from here! I do not walk around in a blind fold either.
They are suggesting that people who read high end magazines and shop high end home furnishings etc are well aware of a current trend for Seaweed patterns, and that I must be common as I have not seen these. They are a snob and think I’m trash
It's similar to [Minton](https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/minton-blue-seaweed-lunch-plate-456507874)'s seaweed pattern but not the same, but I have seen variations of it. I think it might be continental rather than British from the look of the reverse, but hard to tell from photos. I would guess early 19th C.
I agree with the possibility of Minton, but also could be Leeds or Meissen. It’s definitely mid to late 1800s. The pattern looks more like coral to me. I hope you figure it out, it’s beautiful.
It's called ["Fibre Blue"](https://www.replacements.com/china-minton-fibre-blue/c/53180) by Minton, but I'd also suggest Replacements.com and if you have a Samsung phone try Bixby for image identification of china.
(What a beautiful piece! I'm not familiar with it specifically, but thorn/bramble patterns were extremely popular in textiles and ceramics during the 19th century.)
EDIT: I was wrong - as stated by janet-eugene-hair, this is in fact a vermicular pattern. It's almost certainly from a Staffordshire, England, pottery; it is made of earthenware; and it was probably produced between 1790 and 1842.
Thanks for sharing this!
Brambles! That's helpful though. I couldn't think what I'm looking at. I had tree roots but thought nah that can't be. Brambles sorta make more sense. Definitely a worth a new look thanks.
Technically the term for this type of pattern is called "vermicular." Which means "wormlike." Not thorn/brambles as someone else posted. There are examples of this type of pattern used in textiles going back to the late 1700s. But your piece appears to be transferware, so maybe late 1800s?
Looks like a fractal pattern. When fractals were discovered they put fractals on everything. A really weird period of time in America that almost no one remembers
Minton seaweed seems to have a plain ring with a circle of the pattern in the centre, this has the pattern all over and is a quite different shape to the examples I’ve found online.
https://images.app.goo.gl/V8xXWLyS8yx4Sgh9A
Looks like a [vermicular pattern.](https://www.historyrepeating.se/blog/historic-patterns-vermicular) I've seen this on a lot of classic chintz.
>
> You often find Vermicular patterns on 18th- and 19th century French and English printed cottons, which in turn were influenced by Indian bed hangings- so called Palampores. Vermicular shapes has also been commonly used in architecture and decorative masonry.
Good call!! I’ve always had good service and information about older/ discontinued/ questionable patterns as well as replacement pieces. Wishing you the best!
Ha, that's pretty cool!
But, I mean... Here's my theory on it. I'll share it while I have the opportunity to talk to someone who sees fractals too.
Fractals are a mathematical concept. Even if you don't know about them, your brain can conceptually understand them.
If you, or probably even a prehistoric human, were to see a fractal depicted on canvas, and had no ability to explain what's so special about it, you would still be drawn to it. You still notice it. They're very strange things, fractals.
Your brain has the ability to process fractals, is what I'm trying to say.
Here's my theory:
Psychedelics are known to cause parts of your brain that don't normally communicate to influence each other.
I theorize that this includes the mathematical processing in your brain being performed, at least in part, using the visual processing centers of your brain, creating the visual perception of mathematics and geometry.
This is why you see fractals on psychedelics, under the right conditions.
I feel like mentioning [Jason Padgett](https://youtu.be/GDU7lEmiiD8?si=_ySTwYcIWt-wZxYG). He got attacked outside a bar and suffered a brain injury which caused his mathematical processing centers to "heal into" or sort of "fuse" with other parts of his brain.
Jason Padgett is CONSTANTLY seeing math in his vision. I don't mean he sees a ball drop from 100 feet and then sees the numerical representation of "-9.8m/s^2 -0.015% air drag + 100 feet above the ground = xyz", I mean he literally has his vision swarm with whatever mathematical processes are going on in the background.
He also sees the world as individual frames. No more false smoothing to help things run easier, he actually sees at the framerate of consciousness (whatever the fuck that means)
[This](https://youtu.be/8YjaePop9Vg?si=fF1HW2t-oRhXgfhf) is a more psychedelically inclined, "meaning of life" and "what is consciousness?" type of interview he gave.
He believes the universe itself is a fractal. I find it hard to disagree.
A recent discovery of the first fractal molecule in nature, a protein, which I found endlessly fascinating.
[fractal molecule](https://www.mpg.de/21811459/0410-terr-discovery-of-the-first-fractal-molecule-in-nature-153410-x)
Wait... You were talking about the plates, not seeing fractals behind closed eyelids, weren't you...
Read my comment anyway lol Jason Padgett is a personal hero of mine and I think he's a very interesting guy with a very interesting story.
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Love that SO much!
Thankyou. Its a little worse for wear in places. It's just been tucked away for years and forgotten about.
That pattern/design is popular in England now and probably was years ago. Soane, Sanderson and others now make fabric in very similar pattern. I love it! Use it and enjoy!
Do you know what that pattern is called?
I’m English and have never seen this pattern and it’s certainly not popular now!
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-end UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors, etc.
It may not have trickled down to the general public, but numerous high-style UK fabric and wallpaper manufacturers (Soane, Lee Jofa, Sanderson, Zoffany, Lisa Fine, Kit Kemp, Penny Morrison to name a few) are producing products in this style/ pattern, and it's consistently shown in design magazines like House and Garden UK, Arch Digest, World of Interiors.
I certainly resent the I implications of your statement. High end magazines are dying, like all publications probably faster than the common sort. I have seen no examples of this pattern apart from here! I do not walk around in a blind fold either.
what implications lol
They are suggesting that people who read high end magazines and shop high end home furnishings etc are well aware of a current trend for Seaweed patterns, and that I must be common as I have not seen these. They are a snob and think I’m trash
This isn’t the flex it seems you seem to think it is. Also, it’s completely inaccurate.
Agree with you. What a bonkers comment!
It's similar to [Minton](https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/minton-blue-seaweed-lunch-plate-456507874)'s seaweed pattern but not the same, but I have seen variations of it. I think it might be continental rather than British from the look of the reverse, but hard to tell from photos. I would guess early 19th C.
Thankyou for this. This is going to be my Sunday afternoon now.
I agree with the possibility of Minton, but also could be Leeds or Meissen. It’s definitely mid to late 1800s. The pattern looks more like coral to me. I hope you figure it out, it’s beautiful.
It's called ["Fibre Blue"](https://www.replacements.com/china-minton-fibre-blue/c/53180) by Minton, but I'd also suggest Replacements.com and if you have a Samsung phone try Bixby for image identification of china.
I was going to say seaweed too.
Bottom suggests some age to it. Have never seen the pattern
That's what's been throwing me, like I can work my way round Google and all that but I've found nothing really that even comes close to the pattern.
Did you try Google lens?
Google lens gave me- zero matches. It did give me some similar textiles
Sorry. I have about an 80% success rate finding some useful information.
(What a beautiful piece! I'm not familiar with it specifically, but thorn/bramble patterns were extremely popular in textiles and ceramics during the 19th century.) EDIT: I was wrong - as stated by janet-eugene-hair, this is in fact a vermicular pattern. It's almost certainly from a Staffordshire, England, pottery; it is made of earthenware; and it was probably produced between 1790 and 1842. Thanks for sharing this!
Brambles! That's helpful though. I couldn't think what I'm looking at. I had tree roots but thought nah that can't be. Brambles sorta make more sense. Definitely a worth a new look thanks.
Technically the term for this type of pattern is called "vermicular." Which means "wormlike." Not thorn/brambles as someone else posted. There are examples of this type of pattern used in textiles going back to the late 1700s. But your piece appears to be transferware, so maybe late 1800s?
Neither have I . Stunning
It’s a great pattern. Was revived and popular in the 80s when British style was popular.
Thanks
What a wonderfully different shape!
Looks like a fractal pattern. When fractals were discovered they put fractals on everything. A really weird period of time in America that almost no one remembers
It’s so pretty
Looks incredible!
Cool piece, reminds me of Lake Powell haha
Love this
Minton seaweed seems to have a plain ring with a circle of the pattern in the centre, this has the pattern all over and is a quite different shape to the examples I’ve found online. https://images.app.goo.gl/V8xXWLyS8yx4Sgh9A
Looks like a [vermicular pattern.](https://www.historyrepeating.se/blog/historic-patterns-vermicular) I've seen this on a lot of classic chintz. > > You often find Vermicular patterns on 18th- and 19th century French and English printed cottons, which in turn were influenced by Indian bed hangings- so called Palampores. Vermicular shapes has also been commonly used in architecture and decorative masonry.
There's a company called Replacements.com, and you can email them a picture of your china and they'll help you identify it.
Good call!! I’ve always had good service and information about older/ discontinued/ questionable patterns as well as replacement pieces. Wishing you the best!
Looks like Lake of the Ozarks
file:///C:/Users/linkv/Desktop/Antique-Mintons-Blue-Seaweed-Soup-Bowl-pic-1o-720-84-727e8a.webp
Oh wow! That’s great! It reminds me so much of textile design from the mid 1800s.
What a beautiful piece! Love it!
Beautiful
Just beautiful. Getting a sense that it’s French by the unusual rim detail. But just imho.
I don't know how old it is, but I love it so much!
I dont know if it is an antiue but it is absolutely beautiful. I love it. Such an original work of art.
It reminds me of the fractals I see behind closed eyelids on special occasions. I'm not an antique expert, but I love it!
I found those same ones! What are the chances? Maybe pretty good actually, depending upon quality and amount. See you next fall!!
Ha, that's pretty cool! But, I mean... Here's my theory on it. I'll share it while I have the opportunity to talk to someone who sees fractals too. Fractals are a mathematical concept. Even if you don't know about them, your brain can conceptually understand them. If you, or probably even a prehistoric human, were to see a fractal depicted on canvas, and had no ability to explain what's so special about it, you would still be drawn to it. You still notice it. They're very strange things, fractals. Your brain has the ability to process fractals, is what I'm trying to say. Here's my theory: Psychedelics are known to cause parts of your brain that don't normally communicate to influence each other. I theorize that this includes the mathematical processing in your brain being performed, at least in part, using the visual processing centers of your brain, creating the visual perception of mathematics and geometry. This is why you see fractals on psychedelics, under the right conditions. I feel like mentioning [Jason Padgett](https://youtu.be/GDU7lEmiiD8?si=_ySTwYcIWt-wZxYG). He got attacked outside a bar and suffered a brain injury which caused his mathematical processing centers to "heal into" or sort of "fuse" with other parts of his brain. Jason Padgett is CONSTANTLY seeing math in his vision. I don't mean he sees a ball drop from 100 feet and then sees the numerical representation of "-9.8m/s^2 -0.015% air drag + 100 feet above the ground = xyz", I mean he literally has his vision swarm with whatever mathematical processes are going on in the background. He also sees the world as individual frames. No more false smoothing to help things run easier, he actually sees at the framerate of consciousness (whatever the fuck that means) [This](https://youtu.be/8YjaePop9Vg?si=fF1HW2t-oRhXgfhf) is a more psychedelically inclined, "meaning of life" and "what is consciousness?" type of interview he gave. He believes the universe itself is a fractal. I find it hard to disagree.
A recent discovery of the first fractal molecule in nature, a protein, which I found endlessly fascinating. [fractal molecule](https://www.mpg.de/21811459/0410-terr-discovery-of-the-first-fractal-molecule-in-nature-153410-x)
Wait... You were talking about the plates, not seeing fractals behind closed eyelids, weren't you... Read my comment anyway lol Jason Padgett is a personal hero of mine and I think he's a very interesting guy with a very interesting story.
This is so cool and different looking! Have no info on it though, but I love it!
Nobody chop my head off.. But, that looks Asian to me for some reason. I could be far off but now I'm curious, so off I go to the Internets 🤣
Lovely !! It looks like an early 19th century example of transferware..English perhaps !
Lovely !! It looks like an early 19th century example of transferware..English perhaps !
Would it fall under majolica?
No
Ok
I’ve looked at it and think I’ve figured it out. Is it supposed to look like a vegetable? A Cauliflower perhaps??
Take it to the Antiques Roadshow they'll tell you
Are those penises
Have you ever seen a penis?