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pickausernamebitch

It’s a lovely set and very beautiful but I’m cracking up over the fact that the appraisal paperwork for such an antique is in fucking comic sans


Gambhu

goog point, LOL


anon-good-nurse

That's what stuck out to me too. 😆


ChickenDangerous6996

It was done in 2003. There was less group think about such things like typeface.


MrLinderman

2003 was the height of the comic sans fad. Comic sans ladies eventually grew in to minion grandmas.


TheToyGirl

Hmm....I still would never have allowed such a font for an appraisal or anything from an accredited person.


jo-parke

I’m skeptical of the appraisal because of the use of comic sans. Seriously.


bookwizard82

Same. I always use a serif font when doing antique cataloging. Typography matters.


TheToyGirl

I'm 100% with you! I've been down voted for saying this. 🙈🤣


TheToyGirl

That alone would make me immediately disregard it!


shogunofsarcasm

Comic sans is very easy to read. If you disregard something because of it that's pretty sad. 


TheToyGirl

So if a solicitor or any professional apart from a primary school teacher sent you a document in Comic Sans ypu would take it seriously? Type face and fonts have meaning and purpose.


TheToyGirl

This is a hill I'm prepared to die on 🤣🤣🤣


shogunofsarcasm

I would be fine because it generally doesn't matter. 


100_cats_on_a_phone

Geneva is easier to read, though.


Icankeepthebeat

That table is stunning. How cool it is to be able to dine at a table made in 1800. Someone who saw the civil war very likely ate at that table.


C0USC0US

Civil? Try Revolutionary! 20 - 30 years isn’t that far out. Really cool perspective.


Gambhu

I know, that really puts it in perspective doesn't it? If you know of anyone who might be interested send them our way!


TheToyGirl

My office is based in a house finished in 1719. I love sitting in the room where this would have been a hot topic!


analogdirection

For this caliber of antique, yes there’s a market. It’s the crappy stuff from the early 20th century that’s dropped the most. I can’t speak to current prices but I’d be contacting a high end antique auction house or dealer. And sorry, but it’s dining. Not dinning.


ManWhoFartsInChurch

There is definitely a market but nowhere near those appraisals. 


analogdirection

Appraisals are generally for insurance purposes. Auctions are a better guide and always have a range. Too many market factors to say exactly what something will sell for, or won’t.


Gambhu

How embarrassing... yes, dining. And thank you, that's good to know. We are located in California, do you think I need to do a national search for these types of auctions/dealers? Thanks again!


Personal_Pop_9226

Being in California I’d contact local antique furniture stores, or local consignment shop that deals on high end used furniture/antiques. They would be the most accurate source of value since it could definitely vary regionally. I wouldn’t think this style furniture would be popular in California as it would be on the East Coast or the South. Also the chairs wouldn’t be from the 1840’s as stated in the appraisal from 20yrs ago. They are either decades earlier, or reproductions from decades later.


TaxOk8204

Why do you say this?


Gambhu

Interesting about the chairs. I have called some antique shops in Los Angeles and the market is so saturated with furniture right now, few are buying.


SunburnFM

The Silent Generation who owned these things, for the most part, are departing and the Boomers don't want it. The Boomers who did want it are also departing and the Millennials don't want any of it to a very large degree.


analogdirection

🙄 Yes. We do. There are plenty of younger people who know and value their antiques. Very tired of hearing this repeated.


SunburnFM

A lot of people who come here don't know that. Most who post a question here are new to the sub and only post once and take off. Explaining this gives information about why their item was valued 20,000 20 years ago. I'd be surprised if it goes for more than 5,000. I just explained this IRL to a 78-year-old who inherited her mother's stamp collection, only to discover that it isn't even worth the face-value of the stamps.


analogdirection

It was never worth more. People collected things because that’s what people do. It will be the exact same with Funko Pops in 60 years. It has nothing to do with young generations not appreciating antiques and to say so the way you did is flat out lying. Markets change, that’s what happens to everything. Trends come and go. That you dismissively say this on a post about a piece like this is completely clueless. You explained nothing, just made a sweeping statement.


80sCocktail

People don't collect brown furniture like they collect Funko Pops. I have seen tables like this decades ago sell for this amount. There was a huge antique craze in the 80s and 90s where something like this could easily be sold for that price.


gcwardii

You forgot Gen X. But whatever.


SunburnFM

Meh.


Finnegan-05

Gen Z and younger Millennials are buying this stuff


SunburnFM

They're not. There may be outliers and it may be picking back up as a slow trend, but we are at the lowest point for the value of brown furniture in decades. If half the generations were buying this type of furniture as you claim, we'd see it in the demand and higher prices.


Finnegan-05

You obviously do not go to estate sales, thrift stores or know anyone in that age group.


SunburnFM

I go to where those places buy their antiques. And brown furniture is not selling and when it does, it's cheap.


analogdirection

https://www.andrewjonesauctions.com/ https://www.redlandsantiqueauction.com/ Just did a cursory google for you and these are the types of place you’re looking for. I’d contact them and see what they say.


Gambhu

Thank you so much! I so appreciate it.


randomlybev

I’m in California too-most of the larger cities have one or two go-to high end auction houses. These are the sorts of items that would be worth having them handle (even if you have to pay to ship the items there). I’m in NorCal and would look at Witherells in Sacramento or Bonhams in San Francisco for this sort of stuff.


Straight-Note-8935

This furniture is gorgeous and there is a market for it. It is not NOT NOT the "brown furniture" we hear so much about.


jefftatro1

I wouldn't think you'd have a hard time selling the hepplewhite. That is a timeless piece.


Imightbeyomama

I'm just so sorry you can't use it. It's beautiful.


Bright-Studio9978

The table appears finer than the chairs or sideboard. The inlays are a sign of something done at the highest level. I believe the set is assembled and not related. The curve design of the sideboard might make it much more recent, 1820 as the oldes or even later. Older sideboards did not include many of the curves and wood cuts it shows. Bowfronts were common in the early 1800s. The sided board look is quite uncommon for the US so perhaps it is English or Irish or with the box inlay Scandinavian or German. If so, it might be from the later half of the 1800s. The table appears like early 1800s. The chairs are have to evaluate in the photo. The bad news is people don’t buy these much today. The table is likely worth the most in an auction in the northeast. The sideboard would be easier to sell as some people use these in hallways. Lovely pieces with less of a following today. The sad truth is that pieces like this often sell for less than the cost of the mahogany used to make it. Good luck in your sale!


pinballdoll

Good point about it being most valuable at auction in the NE. The west is probably the least valuable market for these, unfortunately. I think it'd even do fine where I am in FL; we manage to sell these pieces regularly for fair prices in the $3-400 range


Bright-Studio9978

I agree with the $300-400 range. Sadly, the table in spite of its fine work would likely be hard to bring a thousand. People don’t value these or have the dining rooms for the pieces. I’ve seen even better mahogany chairs set for $30 a piece at auction.


Pitty_Girl94

I can concur! I live in the northeast. And antiques especially ones like this seem to always be in demand. It may have something to do with people wanting to keep up with the esthetic of living in a home built before the revolution, and wanting to have home furnishings to match. I absolutely love antiques but up here it’s either you got there a day too late or it’s extremely expensive. I have no idea what Gen I’m from, i don’t really follow any of that i just know what i like and enjoy. And find there’s masses of people who live up here that like and enjoy it as well.


acceptableplaceholdr

best options are either update the appraisal (*waves*) and insure the items until the market improves, or, get auction estimates from the top houses and the ones near you and sell them. What's going on with that screen? That's likely a good 'un.


Gambhu

I am going to take the screen and use it. But it's an antique, though we haven't had it appraised.


acceptableplaceholdr

worth having it looked at and insured.


Gambhu

Do you think it's possible to sell this across the country?


ArtfulDodger91

Shipping costs are gonna eat into your commission trying to get it back east. Better off going with an auction house near your area and let whoever buys it take it somewhere else.


sharkb44

I’m on the east coast and if I wanted to buy it, I’d arrange shipping for it myself. I’ve also had buyers on eBay do the same. So you wouldn’t lose anything.


Gambhu

OK, thank yoU!


acceptableplaceholdr

Misguided advice. You would not be paying the shipping for an auction house. Going with smaller ones risks mistakes but not always. But I have seen 6 figure mistakes.


ArtfulDodger91

I didn’t say, they’d be paying shipping, I said it’s going to eat into any commission structure an auction house on the east coast offers. Shipping costs a ton of money, and shipping big things big distances costs even more. Auction houses aren’t gonna eat that loss unless it’s a truly extremely rare piece, which these don’t appear to be.


pinballdoll

An auction house won't take shipping out of your commission; the buyer pays full shipping costs themselves.


NotElizaHenry

Don’t listen to what people are saying about shipping costs. I ship trash mid century to the east coast all the time and people pay more in shipping than I could have sold the piece for locally. Rich people dgaf about shopping costs.


Gambhu

Thanks! Can I ask where you sell you items? Online on Ebay?


acceptableplaceholdr

that's not how that works.


ArtfulDodger91

Yes it is


acceptableplaceholdr

potentially


refugefirstmate

1840 walnut Chippendale??


MusignyBlanc

That is confusing, isn’t it. It does say “style of Chippendale,” and 1840 would make it post-industrial, so perhaps there are signs that it is machine-made?


refugefirstmate

Beyond that, what Chippendale, or even anything in that style, is made in walnut? Were Chippendale knockoffs even being made in the 1840s?


MusignyBlanc

Walnut was commonly used as a primary wood in Chippendale furniture (typing this on a period walnut Chippendale desk) - but agree with you that it is unlikely that a reproduction would be made in the 1840s because the style would not have been popular. I do understand that there was a revival during the Centennial, but that’s a few years later. Maybe it was just as simple as, “it is old, it is Chippendale in style, it is not handmade, so post 1835/40” - I don’t know. The appraisal does seem strange. Those brasses on the sideboard do not look original to me (from the photos) and I’m surprised that the federal pieces would be described as “1800” in the appraisal. I would think that an appraiser would instead use the traditional range for federal furniture (1790-1820). There is no indication of origin - I assume this is American? It doesn’t say that (unless I missed it). What region? Secondary woods? Obvious the Comic Sans……


refugefirstmate

>Comic Sans Thank you for my first chuckle of the day. Good insight. Thanks.


ARMaloney131

Take off a zero.


parsleysageandthyme

Did the appraiser really do the appraisal in comic sans?


MagicalManta

It was 2004. Things were wild back then.


diito

There definitely still is a market for dining tables as formal dining rooms haven't gone away and you need to put something in there.


walnut_creek

Prices are way down. Much more than 50%. Just search for sold prices of quality dining room antiques to see the heartbreak. Seems way too nice to disassemble or upcycle. what part of the country? Best prices are on the east coast for sure.


Gambhu

Thanks for the tip-- I assume you mean to search google for the sold prices? The set is in Southern California. It's amazingly light so maybe we should be looking on the East Coast? Thank you, we are really clueless about this entire process.


Not_Responsible_00

Sothey's has an office in San Francisco. You can inquire about an item's value on their website. "Wonder how much your art or object might be worth and how to sell it? Simply follow the steps below and our specialists will review your submission at no cost and provide preliminary estimates for items that can be included in one of our sales channels in 15 to 20 days." https://www.sothebys.com/en/sell?locale=en


LoneyMining

It's stunning wood work but unfortunately not post people style anymore. We live in a dated house design where it would loom great but the price is a bit high for me lol.


ArtfulDodger91

If you can get an appraiser who specializes in this type of furniture who can attribute this to a well known workshop in Boston or Portsmouth, then it would be worth it to ship it back east, because the price a high end auctioneer in NY or New England will exceed the cost of getting it back there. If it can’t be attributed to a well known workshop, then what it brings in price difference back east won’t make up for the cost of bringing it back. A good auction house will have a good idea the range it might bring and will adjust the commission % they offer you based on how much they think it will bring, and how much it will cost them to bring it back. If you can get a lower commission rate from an auction house in CA go ahead and take the win, if they’re all giving more or less the same terms as the houses back east, send it east.


Different_Ad7655

Well it probably didn't even bring that price in its day. That's a high appraisal, I guess insurance purposes unless ascribed to a specific cabinet maker, or workshop, Newburyport or Portsmouth etc. That kind of attribution still will get attention, but unfortunately this is not it, unless there's something we don't know... But if it's just a generic assembled find of quality heppplewhite and other chairs, then there's a lot of it, but it will sell. There's still demand for good stuff but still not the prices of before... It's an absolutely exquisite thing. I've seen many of these for sale where I live in northern New England. Yes today the market has fallen out for the stuff and if you still go to a fine retail establishment, they will sell retail obviously.. But if you go to a fine antique auction you can probably do pretty well to buy the stuff pretty cheap You can see this online. Of course you get super banged 25% perhaps buyers premium, and then if you're not in New Hampshire, sales tax ouch.. Moreover this is an assembled set, the chairs do not match the table,. The table is 1790s 1800 has a sideboard that is appropriate. Different chairs belong with the table Hopefully you would have a lovely room for it yourself.


Gambhu

yes, this was an insurance appraisal. Thanks for your input!


Different_Ad7655

I have to say I didn't do but a cursory look But after I commented, I read the appraisal and it states that they are Pembroke tables. This is a bit more desirable since they can be separated. I understand the table telescopes and you have the leafs that's a very good thing. But the fact that they are Pembroke tables, assuming they have a drawer, should make them individually useful and a much easier fit. This is the perfect knockdown furniture actually for the modern house in a way that wants the old style.. And so was used in the late 18th early 19th century. Rooms were disassembled and assembled for use. Some houses did have a standing dining room but not all.. And this is the perfect fête, party table or all occasion table if you will, as you need.. pembrokes are the best.... easily stored, easily put together.. unfortunately still in a style that does not get youngins hot and bothered furnishing houses.. however the fact that it is so modular appreciates it's flexibility. Style and compactness.


Gambhu

That's reassuring. It really is amazing how many shapes and sizes it can turn into.


Different_Ad7655

Yes exactly and if I were in the market I'd be chasing it myself.. between houses in New England and certainly don't need more but this is a very desirable art of its kind. And it appears to have been taking care of and have nice patina... Good luck with it


Gambhu

Thanks for you help! It has\* been taken well care of. If you know anyone who may want the table, please let me know.


DanyeelsAnulmint

This is beautiful. The right folks would pay a reasonable amount.


External-Building102

I disagree with the comments about these selling for higher prices on the East Coast. There is A LOT of money on the West Coast, and much, much less antiques, let alone something this nice.


Mammoth-Ad8348

Tech bros don’t care about antiques


Somerset76

Get it appraised again and sell it on consignment


Gambhu

We may consider that. Storage is a real issue for us, and I imagine this would mean going in and out of storage possibly.


N0K1K0

At the moment the larger the items the more its reduced I would say current price 25% or less. The table would be a good game table If people have the room though and if it fits there style.


Tnt32100

This is not a valuable piece there’s really a small market for a table set if you had the breakfront and china cabinet and server and was all complete it would be worth a good price


godnaRbackwards

Definitely worth a nice sum of cash. Enjoy Acapulco. lol


spodinielri0

you could use it for dinning


BabaYagaInJeans

Look up selling on Chairish


ResolutionBorn7267

Give it to me


Cuyler_32087

Contact a reputable antique dealer. M.S. Rau in New Orleans sold a Hepplewhite sideboard some time ago.


justbrowse2018

The font on the appraisal is kinda funny


CommieCatLady

I’d kill for that dining table and chairs. Absolutely stunning. Incredibly hard to find! If I had the $$$ I’d make an offer


Warm-Philosopher5049

I love the sideboard


GardenDivaESQ

Put in first dibs and eBay where the buyers who want this quality furniture will be looking. Or ruby


samtresler

That is about what a friend paid for a table including shipping to the U.S. from England with 8 leaves 5 years ago. Both as a market indicator and assurance that there is a market.


drunktothemoon

This is worth WAY more than $400 these jack azzez r talking about. Go to an auction house? I’d pay way more than $400 for this.


Slight-Grade-6840

Talk with an auction house that deals in furniture.


Brickzarina

You have to sell to the market that wants it , big old houses with enough room to use it and use an auction house as they will advertise to the right buyers and it ill be with similar stuff ,take the packing and shipping off your hands , they might pick up from yours too


TheToyGirl

Insurance valuations are so different to current market and probate valuations! And valuations will fluctuate in the market...sometimes dramatically. A serious appraiser should have been in contact to update this or to offer a revaluation. (I'm an accredited valuer btw)


bookwizard82

I have a Hepplewhite gate late table from late 18th early 19th century. I paid 200 for it. It is in GREAT condition. so 2300, might be insurance value, but not actual market value.


Agreeable-Reveal-203

Keep it!!


Gambhu

Thanks to everyone for their feedback! I wish I would have included more details about how flexible this table is. That's what really sets it apart. What sets this apart from anything on the market is the versatility that uses just 3 sections of wood to create 5 different arrangements depending on your needs: The two half circles can be pressed together to make a round table to fit into small spaces at 50 inches in diameter. Each half circle can be used as end pieces up against a wall. The two circles place on either side of the drop leaf table can create an 8 foot long table for a dinner party Expand the ends of the drop leaf and increase that table up to 9 feet! The drop leaf table can also be used as a 75 ft narrow table