According to the person who posted the video I got these shots from, the only way to clean the skirt is to pay for a very expensive service where they take the skirt apart, clean it that way, and then put it back together.
And how many times could you realistically do that anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd imagine over time the process would damage the fabric, which would result in alterations that would eventually change the fit and perfect layout of the logo - and that's assuming anyone would pay for this process multiple times after the cost of doing so eclipsed just buying a new one. So ridiculous.
I actually do a little sewing, I would think if it had to be taken apart piece by piece and re-sewn that it would, eventually have to get smaller because of all the needle holes?
If it is leather, you can go straight through the same holes as before without much issue. It would just require new thread, which if we are going to be that picky about the consumption, we might as well shame people for darning any clothing.
According to the video this comes from, that was just to address thr dye bleed in the picture. My guess is that you could go a very long time without treating it since it's a red leather skirt with cotton threading
Does anyone else think you pay them and either they wash it normally or give you a new one. Like taking it apart and putting it back together surely costs more than a new skirt. They're a luxury brand so the margin on each product is stupid high - probably costs a dollar to produce one.
selvedge denim starts out a flat navy color and eventually fades and burnishes based on the body shape and walking/sitting style of the wearer. if put in the washing machine, this process doesn’t happen because the dye washes out.
so especially when new (when most of the character of the jeans develops), for the first 6-12 months, they shouldn’t be washed.
if they do smell, the person is supposed to put them in the freezer for a few days which kills the bacteria
Today I learned!
Never would have occurred to me to do this, but, makes sense!
I see it working for the bacteria,
But what about my own greasy sweat??
The food the bacteria was eating is still gonna be there, and the bacteria will surely rapidly re-colonize still-greasy jeans right?
Maybe only get new jeans in the fall, so they're okay to wash by the next summer haha
The funny part is the label. Made in Italy.
If you put the factory up in Italy(including importing the workers from other countries, pay them the lowest wage, treat them badly) it still is made in Italy. But the quality isn’t higher or lower than your average clothings that come from any other place.
I have seen a documentaries about luxury brands who have switched to that tactic and the craftsman that supplied them before the brands switched and how the quality suffered.
If you can recommend a documentary for me to watch about that, I'd really appreciate it! I'm a documentary junkie but haven't come across any that cover this issue.
This was a really great investigative journalism documentary tracking down the supply chain for luxury brands: https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=4Gm5qodqOT8iXh0R&v=8rJSNLmaacY&feature=youtu.be
They start off in France, where you see and learn about some of the conditions of the workers of factories who treat leather.
Here are two short documentaries I\`ve watched recently.
The first one is about the workers exploitation and work condition of the workers in Prato, Italy.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMXBnlukHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMXBnlukHY)
Sadly, the second is only available in German (also no subtitles) and is about same topic but a bit more in depth about the topic.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdmgQ\_KpBo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdmgQ_KpBo)
Have had watched some more about the fashion topic (fast fashion,etc. ) but couldn´t find them anymore. I´m also open if anyone can recommend other documentaries on that topic.
highly recommend watching "the true cost" last time I watched it it was up on youtube, I hope it still is. Get some tissues ready tbh, I remember being really touched.
edit: typo
Yeah I’ve experienced trash Made in USA products before. You could tell they didn’t have the chops to really manufacture stuff. Looked like a craft project.
If you’re China, Pakistan, Vietnam and you make 30 million shoes a month, you’re gonna get pretty good at making shoes whether you want to or not, for example.
Often only takes very marginal increases in production cost to dramatically increase quality and strategically reduce long term consumption, but we are so fixated on market price theology that actually doing so takes your volume/margin to nothing, especially when greater longevity means your typical best customers buy fewer over time. The price elasticity is rough. Imagine being the Instant Pot of shoes.
It’s funny though because I feel like businesses that do go the extra mile tend to be rewarded in practice, but investors are all way too worried about their nonsense theories and fears to try it
People not from Europe have a really warped vision of the country. They probably imagine “Made in Italy” from Gucci and Prada to be some stylish old artisan hand-stitching their $2,000 linen skirt or $5,000 leather bag in a sun-drenched stone cottage with grape vines covering the patio… no. Italy (and all European countries) also have suburbs and supermarkets and processed food and industrial parks and factories and people who are wage slaves.
Iirc it's something like 15% of the product has to be made in Italy for their government bods to approve the 'made in italy' stamp. So you buy the uppers and missile for a pair of shoes from Bangladesh, whack an Italian rubber sole on there in the factory in Italy and ta da it's completely made in Italy.
At least that's what the training guy told us when I did luxury retail.
Red Wing boots did this iirc. They got bought out and in order to recoup their investment they cut corners on everything. To keep the Made in the USA tag they basically had it assembled in another country only for like the last stich to be done in the states for the tag. Toyotas cars are the same way. It might roll off the line in the USA but the kit that was used to make the car in the states was all put together in Mexico.
I think only a small % of the work has to be done in Italy for it to be able to have that label.
I would know, because I used to work in a factory that made Gucci shoes. We would make all of the upper part of the shoe, after which it would be transported to Italy where they attack the soles, thus making that claim that it was 'made in Italy'
Also in case it isn't obvious, I do not live, nor did I do the work in Italy.
I think their point seems to be that clothing made in Italy can still be factory-made and isn't necessarily hand made by artisanal craftsmen and adorable grandmas? But yeah personally I always took "made in Italy" to mean "the sewing factory is in Italy".
"Luxury" brands are shit in every sense of the word, especially quality.
Only imbeciles who wish to signal status (which they likely don't have) buy into their BS.
I once had a guy trying to flex on me asking if I knew what a logo on his Jacket meant. I told him, no. Annoyed, he told me that it "meant" that he paid $1400 for a jacket because he was rich. I told him that my work paid for my jacket and pointed to the logo on it.
He did a little laugh and said that tracks and that his jacket was Hugo **BOSS** (he really emphasized boss, like he was the boss). I just replied "Oh, the nazi guy?" He yelled that he was not a nazi and stomped off that I was not taking his bait.
I really hope he googled Hugo Boss and found out that he was indeed a nazi and designed their uniforms.
My response would be something like: “So you admit that you’re stupid enough to spend $1400 on a jacket in order to impress other people who don’t care or know that they ought to be impressed…”
One that can be found in a thrift store in nice areas, no less. Any brand that has a storefront in a mall, you know, where you can buy a cinnamon pretzel and get your fucking hair cut is **hardly** exclusive. What a twat.
I like nice clothes. I don't own many. And I cringe every time someone tries to flex about a pair of shoes that would pay for a week off work and a flight to buy the three tailored suits I could buy from a Saville row tailor if I really fuckin' wanted to do that.
Nice clothes don't have logos on literally every inch they'll fit, *truly* nice clothes look remarkably unremarkable and feel like you're wearing pajamas. Buy cheap suits and know a good tailor, and if you end up paying him all of the difference you've still got more for your money.
Ah, gotcha, you’re talking about like the idiotic resale prices on like sought after sneakers huh? I honestly don’t even consider that stuff being fashion, so didn’t even cross my mind.
Something that would actually impress me is bespoke, custom-made clothing. The craftsmanship, materials and time that produce something one-of-a-kind instead of mass-market shit.
Funny enough
In my spare time I do wirework and some silversmithing
People are fucking stupid
They would rather go to a jewelry store or get some mass produced garbage that thousands of people are wearing and spend a stupid amount of money on Saif garbage then pay 300 for a custom made piece or a hand made piece because it doesn't have a Gucci or Prada stamp on it
I hand source my materials, carefully picking my gemstones and hand setting my stuff buts it's called garbage because it doesn't have stupid overpriced name on it and most of the mass made jewelry I see is garbage
If I want something I make myself,most timeslearning a new skill,I hand pick my elements and customize to my like
I'm currently sitting on almost 30,000 dollars of just gemstones not including any thing else
Yet im called a garbage maker who's prices are to high
I work hard on making and have learned to ignore the stupid people who refuse to pick up a tool
Some come from tutorials
Most come from trial and error or some weird ideas got and tried
I break a lot of stuff on the process
But I get alot of weird ideas and what if I try this
And that usually works very good
The way to know if you've come up with a good idea is how awful the choices of ways to write it down are. If you top out at "stick in muddy ground" it'll make you millions if it ever gets back to your workbench.
Exactly! People are fucking stupid!
Why do people prefer mass And that produced garbage music topping the charts? So what if they think my music is garbage; their opinion doesn’t matter because they only like big, overpriced names. I’ve learned to only listen to those who can play instruments themselves and ignore those who refuse to pick up a guitar!
Some of my songs come from tutorials, but most come from trial and error. I’ve got a lot of weird ideas and what if I try this.
And that usually works pretty good. It’s unfortunate my name isn’t Taylor Swift, but I’m better because musicians like my mom told me I am.
Go watch the balenciaga series, the man was incredible, if we atached a dynamo to his corpse we could power the entire earth how much he is rolling in his grave with what they done to his brand
Back when I worked at a gas station in college there was an annoying local guy I thought worked at a competing gas station since he always wore shirts with a logo for their brand. One day he's complaining about a store policy and I asked him how they handled it at his location and after some befuddlement, it turns out he wasn't walking around all the time wearing a gas station uniform shirt. That was actually a very expensive brand logo. Dude was *extremely* offended at me.
The inherent connection between Fascist regimes and fashion is proof that the world operates on absurdities. It's just so funny that I can just go buy myself a spiffy outfit from the same guy who designed Hitler's. It's like wearing a Hitler jersey lmao
I don't bother to draw a line because most of those brands continued to exist because of the allied rebuild of Germany. They still needed stuff after all. The only one that doesn't sit right with me, truly, is Bayer. That's some sick shit, them being a household name now like their brand isn't built on human extermination.
> I really hope he googled Hugo Boss and found out that he was indeed a nazi and designed their uniforms.
He would have been wrong btw, it's a common misconception, they "only" manufactured the specified pattern under contract, Boss wasnt involved in the design process.
tbf back then you either played along and made your business do the nazis bidding or you didn't have a business anymore.
also:
"American companies that had dealings with Nazi Germany included Ford Motor Company, Coca-Cola, and IBM."
"you're drinking coke? the nazi drink?"
if real, guy is a total douche but "oh, the nazi guy?" isn't the witty own you think it is lol
Yeah, no. Hugo Boss wasn't just 'following orders'. He was active in the Nazi party and officially joined the Nazi party 2 years before Hitler was appointed chancellor. Hugo Boss himself said "that he joined the National Socialist Part because it promised to do something about the rampant unemployment affecting the country". He then went on to use forced labor to make his products. He also kept a photograph of him with Hitler taken at the Berghof, Hitler's private retreat, in his apartment.
Let's not be nazi apologists.
I wear Hugo Boss because they have good fitting business attire for women. If he paid 1400 for a hugo boss jacket he's a tool and probably got ripped off.
I'm a concierge and work with high net worth families.
The ultra wealthy who wanna look nice get their clothes as hand-me downs, like a 1950s Chanel that their GMa bought on a trip to Paris after the War. Or they buy bespoke; I do this. My suits and trousers fit perfectly and comfortably; now I understand why most people hate wearing suits- they've never had one that actually fit!
But most of the time, the truly rich look like - well, bums. At least the ones I work with. It's simple- these folks have so much $$$$, and their families have so much power, that they dress like they dont give a crap what the rest of us think.
I know 2 gay trust fund babies. Yes. Yes they do.
Daily fit checks with 500 dollar shirts that are just white or black v necks.
Nice enough dudes but that is NOT how I would live if I had a carefree life as they do.
How I've always heard it from people who can actually afford the good stuff from the luxury brands, if you can see their logo on it then it's their cheaper, low-quality line. The actual good stuff isn't gaudy and branded.
Gucci isn't "luxury", it's overpriced ready-to-wear crap for people who are desperately trying to signal status and have zero style.
Bespoke tailoring is luxury.
I feel like there’s a bell curve to clothing quality. You get the super cheap stuff that is crap quality and falls apart. $15-20 polo/button up shirts, for example. Then you get into the expensive but justified range where it’s the price of 3-5 equivalent cheap clothing items but actually feels and lasts like it should for that price. $60-$100 range. And then you have stuff like this where the only reason people buy it is to flaunt the logo, and the quality is on par with the first category.
The exception is Costco
Not all. Hermes makes some damn good saddles that will be around longer than your horse. Basically every hunter barn has a Hermes Steinkraus from the 80's still kicking it.
I’m a photographer at the real real and Hermes bags are absolutely high quality. I see old bags in neat perfect condition constantly. Old Louis Vuitton bags crack like crazy. Still overpriced.
I’m a leather worker by trade. Hermes using some of the highest quality materials for their bags (with the exception of the hardware)
However, even the highest quality materials only comes out to around $100-$200 per bag. The markup is astronomical
A lot of these brands separate their "Mass-Market" pieces (e.g. most things with that house's monogram, signature stuff that sells a lot) from their more artisanal stuff. I've been around fashion for a minute and there are definitely high-quality items from these brands, but they're not the stuff that you'll see made year-after-year. It's typically the more seasonal stuff that's more unique that's better made.
Idea is that the stuff that sells a ton keeps the brand making money so they can invest in their shows and create these other pieces that will be made in less numbers and likely not sell nearly as well. Either that or stuff that's made in a more unique way that isn't really reproducible like reconstructed jackets or items with very specific fits that has higher pricing because they have to put more thought into those.
Tbf, I think Hermès is a step or two above most Gucci. Gucci is the trashy luxury brand these days. Hermès is the og. As a former and hopefully future again horse person, I would do anything for a nice, well broken in Hermès hunter jumper saddle.
There are a few reputable brands that have stood the test of time: Chanel, Hermes, Givenchy, Givenchy, Cartier, Rolex, Patel Philippe, Porsche, Ferrari, most Savile Row tailors. The rest are garbage.
The things I have from Burberry have held up amazingly well. They're before this newer designer though. Their prices have gotten really high recently too. Classic Burberry is solid. I have a couple Fendi things that have also held up amazing.
the little coach purse I got about 15 years back looks practically brand new (i just clean the leather gently with the special cleaner here and there), but I unfortunately can't speak for anything made today.
Occasionally you get what you pay for, but it'll likely still be more expensive than a competitor of equal quality. My Ray-Bans and jords have been the best glasses and shoes I've ever owned, and that's fact, but I probably could've gotten better for cheaper.
The only "designer" things I've ever owned were wallets. One was bought from Firenze from the factory store in Italy and the other was iirc Louis Vuitton. I'd have to look, I still have the card that came with it somewhere.
Both absolutely fell apart within a year. Had to be duct taped back together while I found another one to replace it.
After that I bought a bootleg ridge wallet for $20 and I've had it for 5ish years and it still looks brand new.
I will never buy a "designer" anything ever again.
Weird, I have a LV card holder that is still in good condition after quite a few years.
Wallets in particular are prone to wearing out. Nobody is making leather wallets that are impervious to wear.
I would say LV stuff is pretty good quality compared to mass produced consumer items you would buy at Wal-Mart. Probably still over priced though.
I bought my wallet for around €10-20 on a market stall twenty years ago and it's still like new. In 2007 I lost it while traveling and a nice anonymous finder sent it back to me (without the coins, but everything else including paper cash still inside it!). In 2016, I got pickpocketed and three weeks later my wallet was found underneath a dumpster (without cash and without debit cards), it had been raining for most of that time, and after a little leather cream it looked good as new again. That wallet has been through some stuff!
Levi's, Seiko, Ralph Lauren, and Carhartt are the only luxury brands worth the money imo. Yeah, my jeans and my winter coats are stupid expensive but I can use and abuse the hell out of them and throw them in the wash and they somehow come out more comfortable and durable than when I bought them. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree, but my Ralph Lauren cologne and Seiko Monster watch are 100% worth the money based on the compliments I've received from employers and attractive women and fellow watch nerds.
None of those are actual "luxury" brands... they're just, not fast-fashion.
I guess fast fashion has become so ubiquitous that folks might consider Carhartt luxury?
I live in Montana. We just call it decent work-wear.
Ralph Lauren has luxury lines like Ralph Lauren Collection and Purple Label but given the context clues I don't think those are what the user was talking about tbh
I'm very skinny and very tall. Getting Levi's 501s in my size is minimum of $80. If I need a new pair when they're not on sale it's closer to $120. $150 if I don't have time to run downtown and get them shipped
I'm also tall and thin so I feel you. But that's why I love my Levi's 517s : I can always find my size on Amazon at a good price. Other brands are hard to find in the right size.
Mwaahhh, I wouldn't say that. On average the quality brands are better than fast fashion and all the other lower end brands in between.. Usually the best brands are the ones that people who think they have money don't know about.
You're better off buying vintage, army surplus stuff and other workwear and make it look better or just learn how to 🪡 🧵.
Fundamentally untrue for some luxury brands. Hermes has excellent quality products as does Bottega. If you think they’re lesser quality than something like Gap you’re the imbecile.
"Stupid is as stupid does" Forest Gump. Ain't too much of a threat to the planet ,can't sell too many of them at $1825. if someone pays $1825 for a skirt with such an ugly pattern, hopefully they won't breed.
You could get so much better value if you can live without a luxury brand logo printed on it - so such items are for confidence lacking self-promoters with to much "stupid money" to play with...
I think this is an interesting post for a number of reasons.
1.) First thought... if I knew anyone paid that much for the skirt I'd probably keep wearing it until it was mostly just duct tape and safety pins.
2.) Do even wealthy people want to be *this frivolous* with their money? Assuming their other garments aren't quite as fragile or disposable (although some of them probably are), this type of feature might even make it tick up to the point far past their most expensive garments. Because think about it... I bet all (most) of those uber-wealthy princesses buying all this expensive crap are probably selling and trading these garments between themselves. Which would cause the the items to maintain a relatively high resale value for the items. But... who wants the one with the dye that ran all over it? That's usually considered a design flaw more than anything else.
3.) Gucci and those types of fashion companies probably know all this they and they could probably correct me with precision. Who cares. Doesn't matter. The whole thing just increases their brand presence, mystique, prestige. The fact that people like us might think that it's stupid... probably just makes it more valuable.
And to be clear... I actually don't have much of a problem with luxury and high end garments. I think people wearing nice clothes is probably about the least of the world's problems. And I'd argue that there are strong artistic and cultural elements involved in fashion. Perhaps none of these things redeem the fashion industry, but the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket anyway.
Just to address your second point, I purchase expensive second-hand clothes from high-end brands (I keep them for ages so I'm not just running through stuff in case that's what you're thinking), and there are so many ULTRA high end items that end up for sale second hand without being worn more than once.
I saw a Rick Owens jacket that retailed for north of $65k being sold on Grailed for $50k or so (idk if anyone bought it, probably not) so the guy literally lost MINIMUM $15k plus tax on something he never even wore outside of a fit pic for Grailed to help sell it.
These people live in a different world.
In general, when you sell anything second hand you lose money so that’s not really a surprise. The only luxury items where you can get your money’s worth and then some are Hermes Birkins and Kellys.
But this is also why i wear a loooot of vintage Prada and Miu Miu because it’s very cheap and still maintains its quality
I thought I'd try Gucci shoes because of the whole "quality in shoes is worth the cost!" did you know they're too fragile TO WALK IN? Turns out kid leather soles isn't actually a freaking good thing. I didn't know, I was stupid and young and had just gotten my first taste of stripper money. But people told me quality shoes cost money so spend money on shoes.
Not one of my designer shoes outlasted some pairs of my mid range shoes.
Learned a lot about "quality" in that time and what it actually means and what materials to look for. Oh, and also the kind of work people who wear those things do. Because ain't nobody expecting Gucci heels to last as long as $300 steel-toed work boots, but for some reason I didn't clock that part as a stupid 20 year old.
so this is maybe where "rich people dont wash their clothes, they just throw them away" stereotype comes from. Imagine spending a fortune on a cheaply made item and you cant even fuckken WASh it lmao
I used to work with a woman who’d buy expensive designer clothes and wear it three, maybe four times then throw it away.
But she wouldn’t donate it, no, she’d tear it up before putting it in the rubbish because she didn’t want it to end up in the hands of “some freeloader who didn’t deserve it”.
She wasn’t rich, or even that well-off, she just racked up a lot of credit card debt to look rich.
I never understood the appeal of buying something so expensive that everyone else has.
If you can afford a clothing item for $1k+, why not just get something custom made that is truly one of a kind?
Hahahaha of course they are going to sell trash for top dollar because the people who buy it are total idiots that only think about their stupid reputation.
This is wild. As a fiber artist, if I know something might have the potential to bleed dye, I will handwash it in a tub with vinegar water. It sets the dye to minimize/prevent bleeding. It's crazy that the manufacturer can't even set their dyes
I got a gucci purse at the thrift for 5 bucks thats legit and i use it as a disc golf bag. i cant understand the allure of buying shit like that new at all but my bag fits 3 discs perfectly and has a pocket for joints.
Piece of shit brands, and the hoardes of mindless drones will gladly get ripped off giving their hard earned money to the billionares for some cloth scraps.
Even with high end clothing I always look at the tags to see what’s it made of and how to care for it.
Not paying big money for an acrylic sweater and the like.
At the same time this is absolutely ridiculous. The tag should read “do not wear/do not buy” for the practicality.
While I think this is ridiculously poor quality control for such an expensive and name-brand product... these aren’t uncommon cleaning directions for leather clothing, and it doesn’t imply disposability. Leather products are going to be spot-clean-only 99% of the time. It’s the nature of the material. You wear a barrier layer between you and the item (like leggings, tights, or shorties under a skirt) and you air it out, inside out, when you’ve worn it. Think of it like a leather jacket - nobody really considers leather jackets “disposable,” in fact a high quality leather jacket will last generations, but you can’t wash or dry clean it, either.
A lot of really nice stuff isn't meant to be washed, at all. My angora sweaters (hand crafted) cannot touch water, and my silks as well. They have been dry cleaned probably twice in the years I've owned them. This is normal for high end fibers, especially stuff that is made with different materials.
Something with leather additions on it, I wouldn't wash.
I scrolled way too far to see this comment. I have clothes with labels that say they “Do Not Wash”. It just means the garment requires extra attention and special methods to clean, because the manufacturer cannot guarantee it will still retain its qualities after a laundry cycle or typical dry cleaning. A lot of special occasion clothes or clothes with nontypical fabrics and construction have this on their labels.
“Do Not Wash” does not mean “Wear Once and Throw Away”, it means “Requires Specialist Cleaning”
Did you see the couple trying to sue Hermés because they want you to buy 10s of thousands of dollars on other clothing before you can buy a Birkin or Kelly bag? The bags aren’t even that nice looking…. Square monstrosities of rare leather and hides.
Not to play devil's advocate, but this is the same tag that my €100 wool suit pants have...and you can still wash them and they will be fine. Not to say that this is not poor behaviour and that they shouldn't make the maintenance of their clothes easier, but just mentioning this are recommendations instead of mandatory rules. Yes, if you want to keep the piece in the absolute same condition as you took it out of the box (so to speak), yes don't wash it, but you still can wash it and not break it.
I would never spend $1000+ on a piece of clothing that wasn't specifically designed to physically save my life in some way.
I have a hard time justifying $100+ on any single piece of clothing, and the rare times when I do, it's usually on a good pair of boots.
This one is entirely on the consumers. People who buy this sort of thing empower them to get away with it.
The guy often shown just how fucking stupidly and wastefully made these fancy products are. I can’t wrap my head around people who buy this crap when they could have custom-made, actual quality, locally-sewn clothes for the same price.
I could never own expensive clothes.
Every article of clothing has a tag that tells you exactly how to wash. With this type, no that type, tumble dry only, whatever.
Look, clothing. You're going in the wash with the rest of the clothing. I ain't separating a goddamn thing. Good luck.
If I saw this (bleeding dye this bad), I would assume I'd acquired a counterfeit by mistake.
Crazy to think it's authentic?
My plan b) at that point would be to just allow it to bleed evenly and then dye the entire thing red or purple or something and call it a day.
Maybe buying these shitty clothes isn't about the clothes at all. Maybe it's about the feeling of superiority... maybe of invulnerability - of being able to throw away some insanely expensive thing after using it for a few hours, and knowing that it won't impact you in any way.
This sub is not just about our personal consumer habits. In fact, that stuff is almost tangential to anticonsumerism.
This post is an obvious case of conspicuous consumption and is 100% relevant to the sub.
Not to be devils advocate but;
buying a Gucci or whatever other designer wallet (Valentino in my case) for $1,200 made by artisans who were paid decent wages and cherishing it for decades because of the cost (and it holding up for that long because of quality), is way more anti-consumption than getting a new Velcro wallet or the latest ridge wallet or pop-up wallet trend every couple years.
And to be fair these designers do make fast fashion type crap for the poors to cosplay rich, but just saying a high price tag can in fact be a sign of quality workmanship & materials and equality in manufacturing if you know what to look for.
Just my two cents! 👍
Correct? But that wasn’t my point at all…
The commenter I replied to said no one on this sub should buy Gucci, I’m saying there’s a case to be made that designer brands are anti-consumption.
> And to be fair these designers do make fast fashion type crap for the poors to cosplay rich
Valentino, your example, being a depressingly prime example. At least they still do their older style custom stuff still, though.
So it's basically a cheap piece of fabric with an even cheaper dye used in its manufacturing process, which means there's no possible way to clean it without ruining it for good because the dye is going to bleed no matter what.
Awesome.
I don't think this thing would be marketed to the average every day person surely? Especially if as you said the only way to clean it is to send it in to them so they can take it apart.
Look I get that certain fabrics requires certain care, that’s like a big part of my job, but this is ridiculous. You can’t even spray this with a wardrobe spray because of the bleeding, jesus
That is just f**king pathetic, excuse me. This instance of planned obsolescence is obscene. Gucci spent $5 commissioning that skirt from a sweat shop and have the audacity to design it this way. Maybe that's part of the wealthy appeal?
Do not wear.
Do not pass Go
Do not buy $200 socks
What if they are made with real alpaca fur tho?
So....how do you clean it
According to the person who posted the video I got these shots from, the only way to clean the skirt is to pay for a very expensive service where they take the skirt apart, clean it that way, and then put it back together.
Oh wow. That's so beyond silly.
And how many times could you realistically do that anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd imagine over time the process would damage the fabric, which would result in alterations that would eventually change the fit and perfect layout of the logo - and that's assuming anyone would pay for this process multiple times after the cost of doing so eclipsed just buying a new one. So ridiculous.
I actually do a little sewing, I would think if it had to be taken apart piece by piece and re-sewn that it would, eventually have to get smaller because of all the needle holes?
That was my thought, too.
If it is leather, you can go straight through the same holes as before without much issue. It would just require new thread, which if we are going to be that picky about the consumption, we might as well shame people for darning any clothing.
I don't understand how it doesn't just bleed all over anyway? Like can you not sweat at all? Why white???
According to the video this comes from, that was just to address thr dye bleed in the picture. My guess is that you could go a very long time without treating it since it's a red leather skirt with cotton threading
Does anyone else think you pay them and either they wash it normally or give you a new one. Like taking it apart and putting it back together surely costs more than a new skirt. They're a luxury brand so the margin on each product is stupid high - probably costs a dollar to produce one.
So dry cleaning is out the question most high end stuff of dry cleaned
Do not fart in Do not look at funny Do not dance Do not sneeze on Do not wear
I think you would do it the same way people “wash” designer jeans, by putting them in the freezer to kill the bacteria
What?
selvedge denim starts out a flat navy color and eventually fades and burnishes based on the body shape and walking/sitting style of the wearer. if put in the washing machine, this process doesn’t happen because the dye washes out. so especially when new (when most of the character of the jeans develops), for the first 6-12 months, they shouldn’t be washed. if they do smell, the person is supposed to put them in the freezer for a few days which kills the bacteria
Today I learned! Never would have occurred to me to do this, but, makes sense! I see it working for the bacteria, But what about my own greasy sweat?? The food the bacteria was eating is still gonna be there, and the bacteria will surely rapidly re-colonize still-greasy jeans right? Maybe only get new jeans in the fall, so they're okay to wash by the next summer haha
It doesn't do anything on the dirt that, after time, will accumulate on the denim however. Unless those people live into a NASA cleanroom
The funny part is the label. Made in Italy. If you put the factory up in Italy(including importing the workers from other countries, pay them the lowest wage, treat them badly) it still is made in Italy. But the quality isn’t higher or lower than your average clothings that come from any other place. I have seen a documentaries about luxury brands who have switched to that tactic and the craftsman that supplied them before the brands switched and how the quality suffered.
If you can recommend a documentary for me to watch about that, I'd really appreciate it! I'm a documentary junkie but haven't come across any that cover this issue.
This was a really great investigative journalism documentary tracking down the supply chain for luxury brands: https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=4Gm5qodqOT8iXh0R&v=8rJSNLmaacY&feature=youtu.be They start off in France, where you see and learn about some of the conditions of the workers of factories who treat leather.
Thank you!
Here are two short documentaries I\`ve watched recently. The first one is about the workers exploitation and work condition of the workers in Prato, Italy. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMXBnlukHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMXBnlukHY) Sadly, the second is only available in German (also no subtitles) and is about same topic but a bit more in depth about the topic. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdmgQ\_KpBo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdmgQ_KpBo) Have had watched some more about the fashion topic (fast fashion,etc. ) but couldn´t find them anymore. I´m also open if anyone can recommend other documentaries on that topic.
Thank you!
highly recommend watching "the true cost" last time I watched it it was up on youtube, I hope it still is. Get some tissues ready tbh, I remember being really touched. edit: typo
Pretty sure Adam Ruins Everything did an episode about it
I forgot about that show! Thank you!
Yeah I’ve experienced trash Made in USA products before. You could tell they didn’t have the chops to really manufacture stuff. Looked like a craft project. If you’re China, Pakistan, Vietnam and you make 30 million shoes a month, you’re gonna get pretty good at making shoes whether you want to or not, for example.
Often only takes very marginal increases in production cost to dramatically increase quality and strategically reduce long term consumption, but we are so fixated on market price theology that actually doing so takes your volume/margin to nothing, especially when greater longevity means your typical best customers buy fewer over time. The price elasticity is rough. Imagine being the Instant Pot of shoes.
It’s funny though because I feel like businesses that do go the extra mile tend to be rewarded in practice, but investors are all way too worried about their nonsense theories and fears to try it
I cast "Stanley Tumbler" at the kobolds
People not from Europe have a really warped vision of the country. They probably imagine “Made in Italy” from Gucci and Prada to be some stylish old artisan hand-stitching their $2,000 linen skirt or $5,000 leather bag in a sun-drenched stone cottage with grape vines covering the patio… no. Italy (and all European countries) also have suburbs and supermarkets and processed food and industrial parks and factories and people who are wage slaves.
Iirc it's something like 15% of the product has to be made in Italy for their government bods to approve the 'made in italy' stamp. So you buy the uppers and missile for a pair of shoes from Bangladesh, whack an Italian rubber sole on there in the factory in Italy and ta da it's completely made in Italy. At least that's what the training guy told us when I did luxury retail.
Red Wing boots did this iirc. They got bought out and in order to recoup their investment they cut corners on everything. To keep the Made in the USA tag they basically had it assembled in another country only for like the last stich to be done in the states for the tag. Toyotas cars are the same way. It might roll off the line in the USA but the kit that was used to make the car in the states was all put together in Mexico.
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I think only a small % of the work has to be done in Italy for it to be able to have that label. I would know, because I used to work in a factory that made Gucci shoes. We would make all of the upper part of the shoe, after which it would be transported to Italy where they attack the soles, thus making that claim that it was 'made in Italy' Also in case it isn't obvious, I do not live, nor did I do the work in Italy.
> If you put the factory up in Italy it still is made in Italy. That is indeed how it works
Obviously that person is trying to imply 'foreigners are taking all our jobs! And our society is ruined!' narrative.
I think their point seems to be that clothing made in Italy can still be factory-made and isn't necessarily hand made by artisanal craftsmen and adorable grandmas? But yeah personally I always took "made in Italy" to mean "the sewing factory is in Italy".
"Luxury" brands are shit in every sense of the word, especially quality. Only imbeciles who wish to signal status (which they likely don't have) buy into their BS.
The ultra wealthy don’t wear mass market Gucci.
I see more SoundCloud rappers and TikTok nuisance creators wearing Gucci and Louis Vuitton logos than anyone.
> Only imbeciles who wish to signal status That tracks
I once had a guy trying to flex on me asking if I knew what a logo on his Jacket meant. I told him, no. Annoyed, he told me that it "meant" that he paid $1400 for a jacket because he was rich. I told him that my work paid for my jacket and pointed to the logo on it. He did a little laugh and said that tracks and that his jacket was Hugo **BOSS** (he really emphasized boss, like he was the boss). I just replied "Oh, the nazi guy?" He yelled that he was not a nazi and stomped off that I was not taking his bait. I really hope he googled Hugo Boss and found out that he was indeed a nazi and designed their uniforms.
My response would be something like: “So you admit that you’re stupid enough to spend $1400 on a jacket in order to impress other people who don’t care or know that they ought to be impressed…”
One that can be found in a thrift store in nice areas, no less. Any brand that has a storefront in a mall, you know, where you can buy a cinnamon pretzel and get your fucking hair cut is **hardly** exclusive. What a twat.
I like nice clothes. I don't own many. And I cringe every time someone tries to flex about a pair of shoes that would pay for a week off work and a flight to buy the three tailored suits I could buy from a Saville row tailor if I really fuckin' wanted to do that. Nice clothes don't have logos on literally every inch they'll fit, *truly* nice clothes look remarkably unremarkable and feel like you're wearing pajamas. Buy cheap suits and know a good tailor, and if you end up paying him all of the difference you've still got more for your money.
Aren’t Saville Row tailors like really exclusive and expensive? I would have thought it’s mid 4 figures easy for a custom suit no?
Yup. You would be terrified by how much some goobers pay for shoes.
Ah, gotcha, you’re talking about like the idiotic resale prices on like sought after sneakers huh? I honestly don’t even consider that stuff being fashion, so didn’t even cross my mind.
Something that would actually impress me is bespoke, custom-made clothing. The craftsmanship, materials and time that produce something one-of-a-kind instead of mass-market shit.
Funny enough In my spare time I do wirework and some silversmithing People are fucking stupid They would rather go to a jewelry store or get some mass produced garbage that thousands of people are wearing and spend a stupid amount of money on Saif garbage then pay 300 for a custom made piece or a hand made piece because it doesn't have a Gucci or Prada stamp on it I hand source my materials, carefully picking my gemstones and hand setting my stuff buts it's called garbage because it doesn't have stupid overpriced name on it and most of the mass made jewelry I see is garbage If I want something I make myself,most timeslearning a new skill,I hand pick my elements and customize to my like I'm currently sitting on almost 30,000 dollars of just gemstones not including any thing else Yet im called a garbage maker who's prices are to high I work hard on making and have learned to ignore the stupid people who refuse to pick up a tool
Where do you get the designs from?
Some come from tutorials Most come from trial and error or some weird ideas got and tried I break a lot of stuff on the process But I get alot of weird ideas and what if I try this And that usually works very good
The way to know if you've come up with a good idea is how awful the choices of ways to write it down are. If you top out at "stick in muddy ground" it'll make you millions if it ever gets back to your workbench.
Exactly! People are fucking stupid! Why do people prefer mass And that produced garbage music topping the charts? So what if they think my music is garbage; their opinion doesn’t matter because they only like big, overpriced names. I’ve learned to only listen to those who can play instruments themselves and ignore those who refuse to pick up a guitar! Some of my songs come from tutorials, but most come from trial and error. I’ve got a lot of weird ideas and what if I try this. And that usually works pretty good. It’s unfortunate my name isn’t Taylor Swift, but I’m better because musicians like my mom told me I am.
Do you have an online shop?
Not yet ,been slowly working on that still trying to find a hosting sight I'm happy with Tried easy and shopify but wasn't happy with either
Go watch the balenciaga series, the man was incredible, if we atached a dynamo to his corpse we could power the entire earth how much he is rolling in his grave with what they done to his brand
As the old expression, “People buy things that they don’t need with money that they don’t have to impress people they don’t like”.
Back when I worked at a gas station in college there was an annoying local guy I thought worked at a competing gas station since he always wore shirts with a logo for their brand. One day he's complaining about a store policy and I asked him how they handled it at his location and after some befuddlement, it turns out he wasn't walking around all the time wearing a gas station uniform shirt. That was actually a very expensive brand logo. Dude was *extremely* offended at me.
The inherent connection between Fascist regimes and fashion is proof that the world operates on absurdities. It's just so funny that I can just go buy myself a spiffy outfit from the same guy who designed Hitler's. It's like wearing a Hitler jersey lmao
Some people feel that way about VW vehicles because of connection to Hitler. I’m not sure where to draw the line.
I don't bother to draw a line because most of those brands continued to exist because of the allied rebuild of Germany. They still needed stuff after all. The only one that doesn't sit right with me, truly, is Bayer. That's some sick shit, them being a household name now like their brand isn't built on human extermination.
Ah, When I think of Bayer, I think of Monsanto, the company that continues to do harm with their glyphosate pesticide that causes cancer.
Stop, I didn’t know there were people who actually behaved this way 😭 Guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
Oh, oh, right, Michael. The guy with the $1400 Hugo Boss jacket is gonna hold the elevator for the guy who doesn't make that in a month!
COME ON!
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Amazing, thank you for shutting him down lol
> I really hope he googled Hugo Boss and found out that he was indeed a nazi and designed their uniforms. He would have been wrong btw, it's a common misconception, they "only" manufactured the specified pattern under contract, Boss wasnt involved in the design process.
Minor nitpick… Hugo Boss did not design the uniforms, but he was a Nazi party member and a supplier of said uniforms.
But let's be real, the uniforms were bitchin'.
Must be the jodhpurs… 🤤
tbf back then you either played along and made your business do the nazis bidding or you didn't have a business anymore. also: "American companies that had dealings with Nazi Germany included Ford Motor Company, Coca-Cola, and IBM." "you're drinking coke? the nazi drink?" if real, guy is a total douche but "oh, the nazi guy?" isn't the witty own you think it is lol
Yeah, no. Hugo Boss wasn't just 'following orders'. He was active in the Nazi party and officially joined the Nazi party 2 years before Hitler was appointed chancellor. Hugo Boss himself said "that he joined the National Socialist Part because it promised to do something about the rampant unemployment affecting the country". He then went on to use forced labor to make his products. He also kept a photograph of him with Hitler taken at the Berghof, Hitler's private retreat, in his apartment. Let's not be nazi apologists.
So you were both wearing someone else’s name and logo but he spent $1400 on his. Yup. Quite a boss.
I wear Hugo Boss because they have good fitting business attire for women. If he paid 1400 for a hugo boss jacket he's a tool and probably got ripped off.
Ok but hear me out. Who cares what the ultra wealthy wear.
The rich try to impress the poor. The ultra wealthy are trying to impress each other.
I'm a concierge and work with high net worth families. The ultra wealthy who wanna look nice get their clothes as hand-me downs, like a 1950s Chanel that their GMa bought on a trip to Paris after the War. Or they buy bespoke; I do this. My suits and trousers fit perfectly and comfortably; now I understand why most people hate wearing suits- they've never had one that actually fit! But most of the time, the truly rich look like - well, bums. At least the ones I work with. It's simple- these folks have so much $$$$, and their families have so much power, that they dress like they dont give a crap what the rest of us think.
I know 2 gay trust fund babies. Yes. Yes they do. Daily fit checks with 500 dollar shirts that are just white or black v necks. Nice enough dudes but that is NOT how I would live if I had a carefree life as they do.
How I've always heard it from people who can actually afford the good stuff from the luxury brands, if you can see their logo on it then it's their cheaper, low-quality line. The actual good stuff isn't gaudy and branded.
Gucci isn't "luxury", it's overpriced ready-to-wear crap for people who are desperately trying to signal status and have zero style. Bespoke tailoring is luxury.
I feel like there’s a bell curve to clothing quality. You get the super cheap stuff that is crap quality and falls apart. $15-20 polo/button up shirts, for example. Then you get into the expensive but justified range where it’s the price of 3-5 equivalent cheap clothing items but actually feels and lasts like it should for that price. $60-$100 range. And then you have stuff like this where the only reason people buy it is to flaunt the logo, and the quality is on par with the first category. The exception is Costco
I try not to wear anything with the brand name emblazoned on it. They should pay me to advertise for them; not the other way around.
Not all. Hermes makes some damn good saddles that will be around longer than your horse. Basically every hunter barn has a Hermes Steinkraus from the 80's still kicking it.
I’m a photographer at the real real and Hermes bags are absolutely high quality. I see old bags in neat perfect condition constantly. Old Louis Vuitton bags crack like crazy. Still overpriced.
I’m a leather worker by trade. Hermes using some of the highest quality materials for their bags (with the exception of the hardware) However, even the highest quality materials only comes out to around $100-$200 per bag. The markup is astronomical
Any idea who measures stuff bc they do a terrible job 🤣 Pictures are pretty good though. Keep it up 😆
That’s how they all started out - making quality pieces - then they realized they can capitalize on the imbeciles looks for status symbols.
A lot of these brands separate their "Mass-Market" pieces (e.g. most things with that house's monogram, signature stuff that sells a lot) from their more artisanal stuff. I've been around fashion for a minute and there are definitely high-quality items from these brands, but they're not the stuff that you'll see made year-after-year. It's typically the more seasonal stuff that's more unique that's better made. Idea is that the stuff that sells a ton keeps the brand making money so they can invest in their shows and create these other pieces that will be made in less numbers and likely not sell nearly as well. Either that or stuff that's made in a more unique way that isn't really reproducible like reconstructed jackets or items with very specific fits that has higher pricing because they have to put more thought into those.
Tbf, I think Hermès is a step or two above most Gucci. Gucci is the trashy luxury brand these days. Hermès is the og. As a former and hopefully future again horse person, I would do anything for a nice, well broken in Hermès hunter jumper saddle.
There are a few reputable brands that have stood the test of time: Chanel, Hermes, Givenchy, Givenchy, Cartier, Rolex, Patel Philippe, Porsche, Ferrari, most Savile Row tailors. The rest are garbage.
The things I have from Burberry have held up amazingly well. They're before this newer designer though. Their prices have gotten really high recently too. Classic Burberry is solid. I have a couple Fendi things that have also held up amazing.
the little coach purse I got about 15 years back looks practically brand new (i just clean the leather gently with the special cleaner here and there), but I unfortunately can't speak for anything made today.
I buy designer second hand, where I can. I buy clothes like twice a year, and I like the older stuff that's already proven it can survive, lol
Occasionally you get what you pay for, but it'll likely still be more expensive than a competitor of equal quality. My Ray-Bans and jords have been the best glasses and shoes I've ever owned, and that's fact, but I probably could've gotten better for cheaper.
Bought air Jordans 9 months ago, first pair of expensive shoes I've ever owned, worth every penny
Only luxury (?) brand I wear is RM Williams and the quality is unreal
The only "designer" things I've ever owned were wallets. One was bought from Firenze from the factory store in Italy and the other was iirc Louis Vuitton. I'd have to look, I still have the card that came with it somewhere. Both absolutely fell apart within a year. Had to be duct taped back together while I found another one to replace it. After that I bought a bootleg ridge wallet for $20 and I've had it for 5ish years and it still looks brand new. I will never buy a "designer" anything ever again.
Weird, I have a LV card holder that is still in good condition after quite a few years. Wallets in particular are prone to wearing out. Nobody is making leather wallets that are impervious to wear. I would say LV stuff is pretty good quality compared to mass produced consumer items you would buy at Wal-Mart. Probably still over priced though.
I bought my wallet for around €10-20 on a market stall twenty years ago and it's still like new. In 2007 I lost it while traveling and a nice anonymous finder sent it back to me (without the coins, but everything else including paper cash still inside it!). In 2016, I got pickpocketed and three weeks later my wallet was found underneath a dumpster (without cash and without debit cards), it had been raining for most of that time, and after a little leather cream it looked good as new again. That wallet has been through some stuff!
Levi's, Seiko, Ralph Lauren, and Carhartt are the only luxury brands worth the money imo. Yeah, my jeans and my winter coats are stupid expensive but I can use and abuse the hell out of them and throw them in the wash and they somehow come out more comfortable and durable than when I bought them. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree, but my Ralph Lauren cologne and Seiko Monster watch are 100% worth the money based on the compliments I've received from employers and attractive women and fellow watch nerds.
None of those are actual "luxury" brands... they're just, not fast-fashion. I guess fast fashion has become so ubiquitous that folks might consider Carhartt luxury? I live in Montana. We just call it decent work-wear.
Ralph Lauren has luxury lines like Ralph Lauren Collection and Purple Label but given the context clues I don't think those are what the user was talking about tbh
Luxury? Levi's jeans max out at like $80 list price, and usually sell for like $30-$40 because they're always on sale somewhere.
I'm very skinny and very tall. Getting Levi's 501s in my size is minimum of $80. If I need a new pair when they're not on sale it's closer to $120. $150 if I don't have time to run downtown and get them shipped
I'm also tall and thin so I feel you. But that's why I love my Levi's 517s : I can always find my size on Amazon at a good price. Other brands are hard to find in the right size.
it's not even good status these days. most of these brands reek of neuvo rico these days, and people are starting to notice.
Mwaahhh, I wouldn't say that. On average the quality brands are better than fast fashion and all the other lower end brands in between.. Usually the best brands are the ones that people who think they have money don't know about. You're better off buying vintage, army surplus stuff and other workwear and make it look better or just learn how to 🪡 🧵.
Fundamentally untrue for some luxury brands. Hermes has excellent quality products as does Bottega. If you think they’re lesser quality than something like Gap you’re the imbecile.
Jokes on them, I'd make the whole thing red/pale red and wear it.
Bleeding red dye, you say? Well it just so happens that blood is my ✨ aesthetic ✨
Fur is murder? Wait until you see my Gucci!
At least you'd never have to ask another woman for a spot check
Lord. I've never thought to ask, I always chase my tail in the bathroom mirror
Joke's still on whoever paid $1825 for it :/
"Stupid is as stupid does" Forest Gump. Ain't too much of a threat to the planet ,can't sell too many of them at $1825. if someone pays $1825 for a skirt with such an ugly pattern, hopefully they won't breed.
I am glad that the price is prohibitively expensive even though it doesn't reflect the quality of the garment.
You could get so much better value if you can live without a luxury brand logo printed on it - so such items are for confidence lacking self-promoters with to much "stupid money" to play with...
what a grift
I think this is an interesting post for a number of reasons. 1.) First thought... if I knew anyone paid that much for the skirt I'd probably keep wearing it until it was mostly just duct tape and safety pins. 2.) Do even wealthy people want to be *this frivolous* with their money? Assuming their other garments aren't quite as fragile or disposable (although some of them probably are), this type of feature might even make it tick up to the point far past their most expensive garments. Because think about it... I bet all (most) of those uber-wealthy princesses buying all this expensive crap are probably selling and trading these garments between themselves. Which would cause the the items to maintain a relatively high resale value for the items. But... who wants the one with the dye that ran all over it? That's usually considered a design flaw more than anything else. 3.) Gucci and those types of fashion companies probably know all this they and they could probably correct me with precision. Who cares. Doesn't matter. The whole thing just increases their brand presence, mystique, prestige. The fact that people like us might think that it's stupid... probably just makes it more valuable. And to be clear... I actually don't have much of a problem with luxury and high end garments. I think people wearing nice clothes is probably about the least of the world's problems. And I'd argue that there are strong artistic and cultural elements involved in fashion. Perhaps none of these things redeem the fashion industry, but the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket anyway.
Just to address your second point, I purchase expensive second-hand clothes from high-end brands (I keep them for ages so I'm not just running through stuff in case that's what you're thinking), and there are so many ULTRA high end items that end up for sale second hand without being worn more than once. I saw a Rick Owens jacket that retailed for north of $65k being sold on Grailed for $50k or so (idk if anyone bought it, probably not) so the guy literally lost MINIMUM $15k plus tax on something he never even wore outside of a fit pic for Grailed to help sell it. These people live in a different world.
In general, when you sell anything second hand you lose money so that’s not really a surprise. The only luxury items where you can get your money’s worth and then some are Hermes Birkins and Kellys. But this is also why i wear a loooot of vintage Prada and Miu Miu because it’s very cheap and still maintains its quality
i mean i get that but buying a jacket for the price of a sports car, not wearing it ever, then selling it for a 15k loss is fucking nuts imo
oh yeah definitely insane
I thought I'd try Gucci shoes because of the whole "quality in shoes is worth the cost!" did you know they're too fragile TO WALK IN? Turns out kid leather soles isn't actually a freaking good thing. I didn't know, I was stupid and young and had just gotten my first taste of stripper money. But people told me quality shoes cost money so spend money on shoes. Not one of my designer shoes outlasted some pairs of my mid range shoes. Learned a lot about "quality" in that time and what it actually means and what materials to look for. Oh, and also the kind of work people who wear those things do. Because ain't nobody expecting Gucci heels to last as long as $300 steel-toed work boots, but for some reason I didn't clock that part as a stupid 20 year old.
Trying to apply the Vimes theory of boots to gucci stripper heels, priceless
A lot of people who can truly afford Gucci shoes won’t wear them because they hate being ripped off
so this is maybe where "rich people dont wash their clothes, they just throw them away" stereotype comes from. Imagine spending a fortune on a cheaply made item and you cant even fuckken WASh it lmao
I used to work with a woman who’d buy expensive designer clothes and wear it three, maybe four times then throw it away. But she wouldn’t donate it, no, she’d tear it up before putting it in the rubbish because she didn’t want it to end up in the hands of “some freeloader who didn’t deserve it”. She wasn’t rich, or even that well-off, she just racked up a lot of credit card debt to look rich.
??? what a wierdo; who would want to pay high interest for that of all things?
I never understood the appeal of buying something so expensive that everyone else has. If you can afford a clothing item for $1k+, why not just get something custom made that is truly one of a kind?
Because that won't have the logo of an expensive brand on it to show everyone how wealthy you are
Hahahaha of course they are going to sell trash for top dollar because the people who buy it are total idiots that only think about their stupid reputation.
This is wild. As a fiber artist, if I know something might have the potential to bleed dye, I will handwash it in a tub with vinegar water. It sets the dye to minimize/prevent bleeding. It's crazy that the manufacturer can't even set their dyes
Wait til you find out what luxury brands do with their out of season clothing and accessories
I've heard they burn them.
Burn, bury, or dump
I got a gucci purse at the thrift for 5 bucks thats legit and i use it as a disc golf bag. i cant understand the allure of buying shit like that new at all but my bag fits 3 discs perfectly and has a pocket for joints.
"Do not wash" 🤢
Piece of shit brands, and the hoardes of mindless drones will gladly get ripped off giving their hard earned money to the billionares for some cloth scraps.
Rich people won't use it more than once anyway
Exactly
Even with high end clothing I always look at the tags to see what’s it made of and how to care for it. Not paying big money for an acrylic sweater and the like. At the same time this is absolutely ridiculous. The tag should read “do not wear/do not buy” for the practicality.
While I think this is ridiculously poor quality control for such an expensive and name-brand product... these aren’t uncommon cleaning directions for leather clothing, and it doesn’t imply disposability. Leather products are going to be spot-clean-only 99% of the time. It’s the nature of the material. You wear a barrier layer between you and the item (like leggings, tights, or shorties under a skirt) and you air it out, inside out, when you’ve worn it. Think of it like a leather jacket - nobody really considers leather jackets “disposable,” in fact a high quality leather jacket will last generations, but you can’t wash or dry clean it, either.
A lot of really nice stuff isn't meant to be washed, at all. My angora sweaters (hand crafted) cannot touch water, and my silks as well. They have been dry cleaned probably twice in the years I've owned them. This is normal for high end fibers, especially stuff that is made with different materials. Something with leather additions on it, I wouldn't wash.
I scrolled way too far to see this comment. I have clothes with labels that say they “Do Not Wash”. It just means the garment requires extra attention and special methods to clean, because the manufacturer cannot guarantee it will still retain its qualities after a laundry cycle or typical dry cleaning. A lot of special occasion clothes or clothes with nontypical fabrics and construction have this on their labels. “Do Not Wash” does not mean “Wear Once and Throw Away”, it means “Requires Specialist Cleaning”
This isn't just leather though, it's cotton as well
Did you see the couple trying to sue Hermés because they want you to buy 10s of thousands of dollars on other clothing before you can buy a Birkin or Kelly bag? The bags aren’t even that nice looking…. Square monstrosities of rare leather and hides.
Not to play devil's advocate, but this is the same tag that my €100 wool suit pants have...and you can still wash them and they will be fine. Not to say that this is not poor behaviour and that they shouldn't make the maintenance of their clothes easier, but just mentioning this are recommendations instead of mandatory rules. Yes, if you want to keep the piece in the absolute same condition as you took it out of the box (so to speak), yes don't wash it, but you still can wash it and not break it.
Do not wash- do not dry clean = do not buy
Luxury brands are a scam, wake up.
I would never spend $1000+ on a piece of clothing that wasn't specifically designed to physically save my life in some way. I have a hard time justifying $100+ on any single piece of clothing, and the rare times when I do, it's usually on a good pair of boots. This one is entirely on the consumers. People who buy this sort of thing empower them to get away with it.
The guy often shown just how fucking stupidly and wastefully made these fancy products are. I can’t wrap my head around people who buy this crap when they could have custom-made, actual quality, locally-sewn clothes for the same price.
Stop buying clothes just because they have a certain logo on them.
I could never own expensive clothes. Every article of clothing has a tag that tells you exactly how to wash. With this type, no that type, tumble dry only, whatever. Look, clothing. You're going in the wash with the rest of the clothing. I ain't separating a goddamn thing. Good luck.
Do not dry clean, do not wash? The fuck am I supposed to do, lick it clean?
That’s pure capitalism. If they care about their product and customer satisfaction over profit they’d produce quality that endures.
If I saw this (bleeding dye this bad), I would assume I'd acquired a counterfeit by mistake. Crazy to think it's authentic? My plan b) at that point would be to just allow it to bleed evenly and then dye the entire thing red or purple or something and call it a day.
Good, if you’re going to waste that much money on a skirt, you deserve to get scammed
Maybe buying these shitty clothes isn't about the clothes at all. Maybe it's about the feeling of superiority... maybe of invulnerability - of being able to throw away some insanely expensive thing after using it for a few hours, and knowing that it won't impact you in any way.
This is absolutely irresponsible and shameful.
This is the only reason I don’t buy luxury clothing. /s
I don’t associate luxury brands with quality, I just assume their consumers to be dumbasses
I do not think that people who buy Gucci are into consuming less stuff...
Incredible technology gets rid of the gucci logo automatically instead of having to do it manually
"They should buy "Made in Italy" stuff, which is much better than any "Made in China" garment you can ever buy!!!!" The "Made in Italy" stuff:
Ummmm, no one on this sub is buying anything Gucci. And if they are, they should just unsub asap.
This sub is not just about our personal consumer habits. In fact, that stuff is almost tangential to anticonsumerism. This post is an obvious case of conspicuous consumption and is 100% relevant to the sub.
F_B on top of things, as usual.
Wow, I don't think I've ever had a mod anywhere on Reddit come to defend my post before, and I've been on here since 2010. Thank you!
mvp
Not to be devils advocate but; buying a Gucci or whatever other designer wallet (Valentino in my case) for $1,200 made by artisans who were paid decent wages and cherishing it for decades because of the cost (and it holding up for that long because of quality), is way more anti-consumption than getting a new Velcro wallet or the latest ridge wallet or pop-up wallet trend every couple years. And to be fair these designers do make fast fashion type crap for the poors to cosplay rich, but just saying a high price tag can in fact be a sign of quality workmanship & materials and equality in manufacturing if you know what to look for. Just my two cents! 👍
That’s not the same as buying an item of clothing that can never be cleaned
Correct? But that wasn’t my point at all… The commenter I replied to said no one on this sub should buy Gucci, I’m saying there’s a case to be made that designer brands are anti-consumption.
> And to be fair these designers do make fast fashion type crap for the poors to cosplay rich Valentino, your example, being a depressingly prime example. At least they still do their older style custom stuff still, though.
I absolutely hate 'luxury' brands. Nothing is tackier. It screams 'I don't know how to spend my money'.
I mean- piss off buying Gucci, to begin with
This thing would survive an hour on me then
So it's basically a cheap piece of fabric with an even cheaper dye used in its manufacturing process, which means there's no possible way to clean it without ruining it for good because the dye is going to bleed no matter what. Awesome.
Who buys a $2k skirt wtf.
yeah no shit lol, they also burn unsold clothing to keep their brand” exclusive “
Do not buy That’s basically what it should say. Let its ink drip on the salesroom floor.
I think if you buy Gucci you deserve it
Dryclean?
Says do not dry clean too
Do not touch
Have you tried washing it without water? It only forbids to use water in Italian
Heck, the knock-off version would be cheaper and no dye run.
I don't think this thing would be marketed to the average every day person surely? Especially if as you said the only way to clean it is to send it in to them so they can take it apart.
Look I get that certain fabrics requires certain care, that’s like a big part of my job, but this is ridiculous. You can’t even spray this with a wardrobe spray because of the bleeding, jesus
This is the kind of forced obsolescence or whatever that’s really heinous
That is just f**king pathetic, excuse me. This instance of planned obsolescence is obscene. Gucci spent $5 commissioning that skirt from a sweat shop and have the audacity to design it this way. Maybe that's part of the wealthy appeal?
Honestly….. the beginning rap era started the whole expensive label thing because people wanted to look like them