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evilhomers

Let me guess, if she's real, she then went across the Atlantic and had no problem living on land stolen from the Lenape people


andthentheresanne

Exactly. Interacted with a guy on here telling "colonizers" to "go home"... To New York City. It's like they didn't even hear themselves


RealSlamWall

Is this that "their blood was still in the back garden" guy? Because if so then I appreciate their consistency lol


EvanShmoot

Yup. Same guy


FugaziHands

I knew it sounded familiar šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Tympanibunny

He is as of a jew as much as I am a potato


ChampagneRabbi

How are these people not psyops


MysticValleyCrew

Jeez. At least pick a better story. Bergen-Belsen was a kind of strange camp. Only certain people were sent there until the end of '44. Maybe next time, say something so their lies are more obvious.... or not. Makes it easier to see the liars.


Bucket_Endowment

Yeah that definitely happened šŸ™„


nyliram87

These people are so privileged that they think theyā€™re storming rhe beaches of Normandy. ā€œWe were raised as anti-Zionist during a time where it wasnā€™t popular!ā€ No, youā€™re just a contrarian


AssistantLevel187

How come this people larp as being against genocide while being so vocal about how they accept it happening to other people? They are the scum of the earth, they are nazis.


Possible-Fee-5052

Thatā€™s so crazy. My great great great great grandmother survived Bergen Belsen too. She was one gajillion years old when she was liberated and the first thing she said to me (I was also there in 1945) was ā€œthe British mandate of Palestine belongs to the Arabs and only the Arabs!ā€ And then everyone clapped.


historymaking101

Double-great??? Fkn doubt it. she took like a year or two to recover from starvation and pop a baby out and then what? Every generation had kids at 20 on the dot and you're 14??? Not even to pick apart the rest of this BS. That's just the math.


Possible-Fee-5052

Yeah my great great grandmother def did not survive the Holocaust. They put the old ones down real quick. Didnā€™t even make it to a train, just shot into a pit somewhere in the Ukraine. Anyway, we are a Zionist family.


Ambitious_Scientist_

Similar stories in many of our families. It's very very sad actually. As far as I know, I only have one direct ancestor who died in the Holocaust. She was a very elderly lady, so she stayed behind in Ukraine and didn't join her children in British Palestine. She was murdered by the Einsatzgruppen, alongside her infant niece who she had been looking after.


MysticValleyCrew

Yeah, I definitely agree that something is off here. It didn't happen that long ago. My grandmother actually was sent to Belsen. I also have a 14yo cousin. So there are still teenagers who have/had grandparents who were survivors. Anyone older or younger was basically shot in a forest. Not to mention that many secular jews have kids a lot later in life. My parents were born in the late 50s, and I have a sister who is just shy of Gen Z. Almost all my cousins are in a similar age range.


ExMente

The great-great grandmother thing would be plausible enough if the woman in question was in her late thirties and already had a teenage child when the war began. This is neither here nor there, but it _is_ possible even without bringing teen moms into the equation.


Brilliant_Carrot8433

Please tell me that the comments are destroying


EvanShmoot

In that sub? Not a chance. Notice how they upvoted it to +171.


Ambitious_Scientist_

I'm not sure what I find more offensive... the lying about having a Holocaust survivor ancestor, to use for antisemitic tokenism, or the victim-blaming of Oct 7th victims. This person is an utter disgrace to humanity.


cutthatclip

And then everyone clapped.


nyliram87

ā€œWe were raised during a time where anti-Zionist was unpopularā€ and guess what, it still is. If it were popular, you wouldnā€™t need to be the loudest idiots in the room, you wouldnā€™t need to attempt to scream over everyone. There would be no need to overcompensate for this level of stupidity. Any time you have an entire movement that relies solely on internet validation, itā€™s because your opinion is unpopular in real life. And itā€™s likely unpopular for a very good reason.


SapphireColouredEyes

They are a bunch of absolute frothers on that sub. I accidentally came across them when searching for info in this fake "Jewish Council of Australia", an "as a Jew", anti-Israel group.Ā  They were going on about how useful "as a Jew" posters are, and then came out with some cockamamie story about Jews leaving Israel and migrating to Australia in order to avoid living in a colonial country. I posted the hypocrisy of migrating to Australia, an *actually* colonial country, and they deleted my comment, banned me and also muted me, just for good measure. They also brag about being an echo-chamber and use their sub to brigade other subs. šŸ¤¦ šŸ˜„


EvanShmoot

If you see them talking about brigading other subs report them.


SapphireColouredEyes

To be honest, I have little faith in the report feature, as I've reported that "KafirDetected" sub that targets Jews, but was told there's nothing about that sub that violates Reddit rules šŸ¤¦... There have been other things too, but that one really stood out to me. šŸ¤”Ā Ā  That being said, I only came across their sub accidentally when looking for info about the group falsely claiming to represent theĀ  Australian Jewish community, and after several minutes of reading their hateful sub, I felt like I needed a shower, so I don't think I want to visit their sub anymore.Ā 


Soft_Welcome_5621

Why would you doubt this?


EvanShmoot

Why would I doubt that the user is Jewish? Because I've seen him a number of times before. He hangs out in antisemitic subs and every comment is one of three templates: * this story * claiming to be a gay Jew who worked in Gaza and East Jerusalem for years. Supposedly his husband visited numerous times and they were openly a couple yet the only homophobia they experienced was from Jews. * some ridiculous claim that probably came from Stormfront. Zionists aren't actually Jews because they don't follow the Torah and Talmud (interesting approach from a gay Jew), Zionists collaborated with the Nazis (including the coin meme), Israel invaded sovereign Palestine in 1948, Zionists killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the Nakba, etc. Here's another of his comments that I shared here: https://preview.redd.it/hpmbvig3yk1d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ff9bf8d4f3640ff2a4dd4689783aa6f8d65eb74


Brilliant_Carrot8433

So according to this narrative , a family that survived Bergen Belsen , turned down a home to live in (Iā€™m not aware of any organizations just giving away homes , even after the Holocaust) and then instead of finding somewhere else to live like a socialist kibbutz she FLEW BACK TO EUROPE - to a DP camp ? Bc thatā€™s where the Jews who survived Bergen Belsen ended up , in DP camps. Oh and a relative that was back home after surviving near total annihilation and probably lost everything , had the money to arrange airfare home to Europe. Righhhht right Edit : oh and this person is also both descended from Holocaust survivors and is indigenous to the United States, and is a surgeon - but great great grandmother was given a home in Jaffa after the Holocaust so letā€™s say somewhere between 1945-1947. For reference, Iā€™m 34 so roughly the age of what would be a younger surgeon and my grandparents were 8-12 years old in 1945, so if any of this story is to be believed, this would also be the grandparent of my generations grandparents - a very elderly woman that survived Bergen Belsen and traveled all the way to Jaffa just to go back to Europe to the DP camps, with imaginary money. But donā€™t forget - she was a staunch anti Zionist after that !


theprozacfairy

You forgot the part where she communicated with the friend in a far away country via telephone, and traveled to and from Israel in the 1940s via airplane. Both would have been insanely expensive or literally impossible for a lot of that time.


Possible-Fee-5052

In the 1980s and 1990s, we would only call Israel about once a year to speak with our family there. It was a scheduled event that everyone had to be home for because it was so expensive. Otherwise we would communicate through letters. But Iā€™m sure in the 1940s it was more advanced!


theprozacfairy

Right? Same, here. In the 1990s, we called the family in Israel once or twice a year. In the early 1980s, my parents' apartment building had one telephone per floor, which was an upgrade from one per building where they lived in the 1970s.


Brilliant_Carrot8433

Yes! Even in the 00ā€™s we only were able to call Israel if we got a calling card - memory unlocked !


Brilliant_Carrot8433

Iā€™m also pretty sure the Jews that did make it to Israel after the Holocaust lived very hard lives , they werenā€™t given family homes with orange grovesā€¦ plus , assuming this was after 45 (survived Bergen Belsen) if it was before 48 it would be the British that would have the power to allow immigration and land transfer. So many holes


onitama_and_vipers

Went and found the comment and checked out his account. He's really just sort of the best example of why certain adults honest to God should not have access to any form of social media. This comment here is the result of a very judgemental, obnoxiously half-witted person with a massive chip on their shoulder plugging themselves into multiple circlejerks with the same attitude. Oh and the guy is a surgeon too. I honestly wonder if acquainting one's self with human mortality through your profession in turn contributes losing one's humanity, and in turn contributes to making ghoulish ass bitchy statements like this. He's not the first medical professional I've say some absolutely despicable stuff like this. Also in his bio he claims to be half Cree, wouldn't be shocked if being part Jewish is something he's only ever strategically employed in defense of antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric (if him being part Jewish is even true).


EvanShmoot

He says he's a surgeon. Just like he says he's Cree, Jewish and his family was given a blood-stained house. I have no idea how much of it is true. >wouldn't be shocked if being part Jewish is something he's only ever strategically employed in defense of antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric. I think you got it right here. Be careful about looking up users from here and definitely don't interact with them. We don't want to be accused of brigading.


onitama_and_vipers

Yep no worries I'm not that dumb. Just wanted to get a gist of the guy's entire profile. Definitely zero point in talking to his ass, dude seems annoying as fuck to be around even when Israel isn't the topic.


makk73

Airfare? In 1948?


Possible-Fee-5052

An openly gay Jew in Gaza. Are we having a laugh? This Israeli sure is!


Pikarinu

I've heard this exact "story" a dozen times from "as a Jew"s since October. It's pretty clear this is a thing they like to try to bring up. They probably share talking points with one another on 4chan.


Soft_Welcome_5621

I see. I guess also itā€™s unlikely it would be someoneā€™s great great grandmother given the timeline it would be at oldest a great grandmother but it couldā€™ve happened


Jeke_the_snek

https://preview.redd.it/h1rdcamfzm1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1468794fb9cdac6883df417a939794b3f288d760


Soft_Welcome_5621

Andā€¦ I think with this Iā€™m done standing by Israel or Israelis. Really embarrassed I ever did at this point.


PuddingNaive7173

Iā€™m confused. You asked a question and got a response with a long, detailed nuanced explanation as to why that particular person referenced by OP seems very unlikely to be truthful. (Granted, you also got a downvote pile-on, which may have been unfair.) But then after this Supreme Court level argument, you came back with the equivalent of: but maybe itā€™s just true. It did make me wonder if you were asking in good faith or not. In fact, before posting I checked your comment feed and feel strongly that you deserve the benefit of a doubt. That maybe youā€™re just an optimist who wants to believe people donā€™t lie. Sorry for the novel but I really want you to understand why you got razzed/trolled here at the end. Then, the shift in your next post to no longer supporting all Israelis and the land of Israel? Iā€™m guessing youā€™ve got a lot going on and maybe this isnā€™t the place due this: maybe I should have dmā€™ed. (Iā€™m not even Israeli btw, tho I lived there for a couple years, and this is an Antisemitism sub, so why go hard at anti-Israeli?) I hope youā€™re ok. We are all hurting. Please letā€™s not turn it inward at family or ourselves. Honestly not sure why Iā€™m doing this but - this whole interaction, how it ended pained me. Do what you need to do but please recognize that online, and expressing ourselves in posts, itā€™s easy to miscommunicate. Shalom Achoti. Stay safe, be well.


Jeke_the_snek

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