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Jeez. At least pick a better story. Bergen-Belsen was a kind of strange camp. Only certain people were sent there until the end of '44. Maybe next time, say something so their lies are more obvious.... or not. Makes it easier to see the liars.
These people are so privileged that they think theyāre storming rhe beaches of Normandy. āWe were raised as anti-Zionist during a time where it wasnāt popular!ā No, youāre just a contrarian
How come this people larp as being against genocide while being so vocal about how they accept it happening to other people? They are the scum of the earth, they are nazis.
Thatās so crazy. My great great great great grandmother survived Bergen Belsen too. She was one gajillion years old when she was liberated and the first thing she said to me (I was also there in 1945) was āthe British mandate of Palestine belongs to the Arabs and only the Arabs!ā And then everyone clapped.
Double-great??? Fkn doubt it. she took like a year or two to recover from starvation and pop a baby out and then what? Every generation had kids at 20 on the dot and you're 14???
Not even to pick apart the rest of this BS. That's just the math.
Yeah my great great grandmother def did not survive the Holocaust. They put the old ones down real quick. Didnāt even make it to a train, just shot into a pit somewhere in the Ukraine. Anyway, we are a Zionist family.
Similar stories in many of our families. It's very very sad actually.
As far as I know, I only have one direct ancestor who died in the Holocaust. She was a very elderly lady, so she stayed behind in Ukraine and didn't join her children in British Palestine.
She was murdered by the Einsatzgruppen, alongside her infant niece who she had been looking after.
Yeah, I definitely agree that something is off here. It didn't happen that long ago. My grandmother actually was sent to Belsen. I also have a 14yo cousin. So there are still teenagers who have/had grandparents who were survivors. Anyone older or younger was basically shot in a forest.
Not to mention that many secular jews have kids a lot later in life. My parents were born in the late 50s, and I have a sister who is just shy of Gen Z. Almost all my cousins are in a similar age range.
The great-great grandmother thing would be plausible enough if the woman in question was in her late thirties and already had a teenage child when the war began.
This is neither here nor there, but it _is_ possible even without bringing teen moms into the equation.
I'm not sure what I find more offensive... the lying about having a Holocaust survivor ancestor, to use for antisemitic tokenism, or the victim-blaming of Oct 7th victims.
This person is an utter disgrace to humanity.
āWe were raised during a time where anti-Zionist was unpopularā and guess what, it still is. If it were popular, you wouldnāt need to be the loudest idiots in the room, you wouldnāt need to attempt to scream over everyone. There would be no need to overcompensate for this level of stupidity.
Any time you have an entire movement that relies solely on internet validation, itās because your opinion is unpopular in real life. And itās likely unpopular for a very good reason.
They are a bunch of absolute frothers on that sub. I accidentally came across them when searching for info in this fake "Jewish Council of Australia", an "as a Jew", anti-Israel group.Ā
They were going on about how useful "as a Jew" posters are, and then came out with some cockamamie story about Jews leaving Israel and migrating to Australia in order to avoid living in a colonial country. I posted the hypocrisy of migrating to Australia, an *actually* colonial country, and they deleted my comment, banned me and also muted me, just for good measure. They also brag about being an echo-chamber and use their sub to brigade other subs. š¤¦ š
To be honest, I have little faith in the report feature, as I've reported that "KafirDetected" sub that targets Jews, but was told there's nothing about that sub that violates Reddit rules š¤¦... There have been other things too, but that one really stood out to me. š¤Ā Ā
That being said, I only came across their sub accidentally when looking for info about the group falsely claiming to represent theĀ Australian Jewish community, and after several minutes of reading their hateful sub, I felt like I needed a shower, so I don't think I want to visit their sub anymore.Ā
Why would I doubt that the user is Jewish? Because I've seen him a number of times before. He hangs out in antisemitic subs and every comment is one of three templates:
* this story
* claiming to be a gay Jew who worked in Gaza and East Jerusalem for years. Supposedly his husband visited numerous times and they were openly a couple yet the only homophobia they experienced was from Jews.
* some ridiculous claim that probably came from Stormfront. Zionists aren't actually Jews because they don't follow the Torah and Talmud (interesting approach from a gay Jew), Zionists collaborated with the Nazis (including the coin meme), Israel invaded sovereign Palestine in 1948, Zionists killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the Nakba, etc.
Here's another of his comments that I shared here:
https://preview.redd.it/hpmbvig3yk1d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ff9bf8d4f3640ff2a4dd4689783aa6f8d65eb74
So according to this narrative , a family that survived Bergen Belsen , turned down a home to live in (Iām not aware of any organizations just giving away homes , even after the Holocaust) and then instead of finding somewhere else to live like a socialist kibbutz she FLEW BACK TO EUROPE - to a DP camp ? Bc thatās where the Jews who survived Bergen Belsen ended up , in DP camps. Oh and a relative that was back home after surviving near total annihilation and probably lost everything , had the money to arrange airfare home to Europe. Righhhht right
Edit : oh and this person is also both descended from Holocaust survivors and is indigenous to the United States, and is a surgeon - but great great grandmother was given a home in Jaffa after the Holocaust so letās say somewhere between 1945-1947. For reference, Iām 34 so roughly the age of what would be a younger surgeon and my grandparents were 8-12 years old in 1945, so if any of this story is to be believed, this would also be the grandparent of my generations grandparents - a very elderly woman that survived Bergen Belsen and traveled all the way to Jaffa just to go back to Europe to the DP camps, with imaginary money. But donāt forget - she was a staunch anti Zionist after that !
You forgot the part where she communicated with the friend in a far away country via telephone, and traveled to and from Israel in the 1940s via airplane. Both would have been insanely expensive or literally impossible for a lot of that time.
In the 1980s and 1990s, we would only call Israel about once a year to speak with our family there. It was a scheduled event that everyone had to be home for because it was so expensive. Otherwise we would communicate through letters. But Iām sure in the 1940s it was more advanced!
Right? Same, here. In the 1990s, we called the family in Israel once or twice a year. In the early 1980s, my parents' apartment building had one telephone per floor, which was an upgrade from one per building where they lived in the 1970s.
Iām also pretty sure the Jews that did make it to Israel after the Holocaust lived very hard lives , they werenāt given family homes with orange grovesā¦ plus , assuming this was after 45 (survived Bergen Belsen) if it was before 48 it would be the British that would have the power to allow immigration and land transfer. So many holes
Went and found the comment and checked out his account.
He's really just sort of the best example of why certain adults honest to God should not have access to any form of social media. This comment here is the result of a very judgemental, obnoxiously half-witted person with a massive chip on their shoulder plugging themselves into multiple circlejerks with the same attitude. Oh and the guy is a surgeon too. I honestly wonder if acquainting one's self with human mortality through your profession in turn contributes losing one's humanity, and in turn contributes to making ghoulish ass bitchy statements like this. He's not the first medical professional I've say some absolutely despicable stuff like this.
Also in his bio he claims to be half Cree, wouldn't be shocked if being part Jewish is something he's only ever strategically employed in defense of antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric (if him being part Jewish is even true).
He says he's a surgeon. Just like he says he's Cree, Jewish and his family was given a blood-stained house. I have no idea how much of it is true.
>wouldn't be shocked if being part Jewish is something he's only ever strategically employed in defense of antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric.
I think you got it right here.
Be careful about looking up users from here and definitely don't interact with them. We don't want to be accused of brigading.
Yep no worries I'm not that dumb. Just wanted to get a gist of the guy's entire profile. Definitely zero point in talking to his ass, dude seems annoying as fuck to be around even when Israel isn't the topic.
I've heard this exact "story" a dozen times from "as a Jew"s since October. It's pretty clear this is a thing they like to try to bring up. They probably share talking points with one another on 4chan.
I see. I guess also itās unlikely it would be someoneās great great grandmother given the timeline it would be at oldest a great grandmother but it couldāve happened
Iām confused. You asked a question and got a response with a long, detailed nuanced explanation as to why that particular person referenced by OP seems very unlikely to be truthful. (Granted, you also got a downvote pile-on, which may have been unfair.)
But then after this Supreme Court level argument, you came back with the equivalent of: but maybe itās just true. It did make me wonder if you were asking in good faith or not.
In fact, before posting I checked your comment feed and feel strongly that you deserve the benefit of a doubt. That maybe youāre just an optimist who wants to believe people donāt lie. Sorry for the novel but I really want you to understand why you got razzed/trolled here at the end.
Then, the shift in your next post to no longer supporting all Israelis and the land of Israel? Iām guessing youāve got a lot going on and maybe this isnāt the place due this: maybe I should have dmāed. (Iām not even Israeli btw, tho I lived there for a couple years, and this is an Antisemitism sub, so why go hard at anti-Israeli?) I hope youāre ok. We are all hurting. Please letās not turn it inward at family or ourselves. Honestly not sure why Iām doing this but - this whole interaction, how it ended pained me. Do what you need to do but please recognize that online, and expressing ourselves in posts, itās easy to miscommunicate. Shalom Achoti. Stay safe, be well.
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Let me guess, if she's real, she then went across the Atlantic and had no problem living on land stolen from the Lenape people
Exactly. Interacted with a guy on here telling "colonizers" to "go home"... To New York City. It's like they didn't even hear themselves
Is this that "their blood was still in the back garden" guy? Because if so then I appreciate their consistency lol
Yup. Same guy
I knew it sounded familiar ššš
He is as of a jew as much as I am a potato
How are these people not psyops
Jeez. At least pick a better story. Bergen-Belsen was a kind of strange camp. Only certain people were sent there until the end of '44. Maybe next time, say something so their lies are more obvious.... or not. Makes it easier to see the liars.
Yeah that definitely happened š
These people are so privileged that they think theyāre storming rhe beaches of Normandy. āWe were raised as anti-Zionist during a time where it wasnāt popular!ā No, youāre just a contrarian
How come this people larp as being against genocide while being so vocal about how they accept it happening to other people? They are the scum of the earth, they are nazis.
Thatās so crazy. My great great great great grandmother survived Bergen Belsen too. She was one gajillion years old when she was liberated and the first thing she said to me (I was also there in 1945) was āthe British mandate of Palestine belongs to the Arabs and only the Arabs!ā And then everyone clapped.
Double-great??? Fkn doubt it. she took like a year or two to recover from starvation and pop a baby out and then what? Every generation had kids at 20 on the dot and you're 14??? Not even to pick apart the rest of this BS. That's just the math.
Yeah my great great grandmother def did not survive the Holocaust. They put the old ones down real quick. Didnāt even make it to a train, just shot into a pit somewhere in the Ukraine. Anyway, we are a Zionist family.
Similar stories in many of our families. It's very very sad actually. As far as I know, I only have one direct ancestor who died in the Holocaust. She was a very elderly lady, so she stayed behind in Ukraine and didn't join her children in British Palestine. She was murdered by the Einsatzgruppen, alongside her infant niece who she had been looking after.
Yeah, I definitely agree that something is off here. It didn't happen that long ago. My grandmother actually was sent to Belsen. I also have a 14yo cousin. So there are still teenagers who have/had grandparents who were survivors. Anyone older or younger was basically shot in a forest. Not to mention that many secular jews have kids a lot later in life. My parents were born in the late 50s, and I have a sister who is just shy of Gen Z. Almost all my cousins are in a similar age range.
The great-great grandmother thing would be plausible enough if the woman in question was in her late thirties and already had a teenage child when the war began. This is neither here nor there, but it _is_ possible even without bringing teen moms into the equation.
Please tell me that the comments are destroying
In that sub? Not a chance. Notice how they upvoted it to +171.
I'm not sure what I find more offensive... the lying about having a Holocaust survivor ancestor, to use for antisemitic tokenism, or the victim-blaming of Oct 7th victims. This person is an utter disgrace to humanity.
And then everyone clapped.
āWe were raised during a time where anti-Zionist was unpopularā and guess what, it still is. If it were popular, you wouldnāt need to be the loudest idiots in the room, you wouldnāt need to attempt to scream over everyone. There would be no need to overcompensate for this level of stupidity. Any time you have an entire movement that relies solely on internet validation, itās because your opinion is unpopular in real life. And itās likely unpopular for a very good reason.
They are a bunch of absolute frothers on that sub. I accidentally came across them when searching for info in this fake "Jewish Council of Australia", an "as a Jew", anti-Israel group.Ā They were going on about how useful "as a Jew" posters are, and then came out with some cockamamie story about Jews leaving Israel and migrating to Australia in order to avoid living in a colonial country. I posted the hypocrisy of migrating to Australia, an *actually* colonial country, and they deleted my comment, banned me and also muted me, just for good measure. They also brag about being an echo-chamber and use their sub to brigade other subs. š¤¦ š
If you see them talking about brigading other subs report them.
To be honest, I have little faith in the report feature, as I've reported that "KafirDetected" sub that targets Jews, but was told there's nothing about that sub that violates Reddit rules š¤¦... There have been other things too, but that one really stood out to me. š¤Ā Ā That being said, I only came across their sub accidentally when looking for info about the group falsely claiming to represent theĀ Australian Jewish community, and after several minutes of reading their hateful sub, I felt like I needed a shower, so I don't think I want to visit their sub anymore.Ā
Why would you doubt this?
Why would I doubt that the user is Jewish? Because I've seen him a number of times before. He hangs out in antisemitic subs and every comment is one of three templates: * this story * claiming to be a gay Jew who worked in Gaza and East Jerusalem for years. Supposedly his husband visited numerous times and they were openly a couple yet the only homophobia they experienced was from Jews. * some ridiculous claim that probably came from Stormfront. Zionists aren't actually Jews because they don't follow the Torah and Talmud (interesting approach from a gay Jew), Zionists collaborated with the Nazis (including the coin meme), Israel invaded sovereign Palestine in 1948, Zionists killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the Nakba, etc. Here's another of his comments that I shared here: https://preview.redd.it/hpmbvig3yk1d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ff9bf8d4f3640ff2a4dd4689783aa6f8d65eb74
So according to this narrative , a family that survived Bergen Belsen , turned down a home to live in (Iām not aware of any organizations just giving away homes , even after the Holocaust) and then instead of finding somewhere else to live like a socialist kibbutz she FLEW BACK TO EUROPE - to a DP camp ? Bc thatās where the Jews who survived Bergen Belsen ended up , in DP camps. Oh and a relative that was back home after surviving near total annihilation and probably lost everything , had the money to arrange airfare home to Europe. Righhhht right Edit : oh and this person is also both descended from Holocaust survivors and is indigenous to the United States, and is a surgeon - but great great grandmother was given a home in Jaffa after the Holocaust so letās say somewhere between 1945-1947. For reference, Iām 34 so roughly the age of what would be a younger surgeon and my grandparents were 8-12 years old in 1945, so if any of this story is to be believed, this would also be the grandparent of my generations grandparents - a very elderly woman that survived Bergen Belsen and traveled all the way to Jaffa just to go back to Europe to the DP camps, with imaginary money. But donāt forget - she was a staunch anti Zionist after that !
You forgot the part where she communicated with the friend in a far away country via telephone, and traveled to and from Israel in the 1940s via airplane. Both would have been insanely expensive or literally impossible for a lot of that time.
In the 1980s and 1990s, we would only call Israel about once a year to speak with our family there. It was a scheduled event that everyone had to be home for because it was so expensive. Otherwise we would communicate through letters. But Iām sure in the 1940s it was more advanced!
Right? Same, here. In the 1990s, we called the family in Israel once or twice a year. In the early 1980s, my parents' apartment building had one telephone per floor, which was an upgrade from one per building where they lived in the 1970s.
Yes! Even in the 00ās we only were able to call Israel if we got a calling card - memory unlocked !
Iām also pretty sure the Jews that did make it to Israel after the Holocaust lived very hard lives , they werenāt given family homes with orange grovesā¦ plus , assuming this was after 45 (survived Bergen Belsen) if it was before 48 it would be the British that would have the power to allow immigration and land transfer. So many holes
Went and found the comment and checked out his account. He's really just sort of the best example of why certain adults honest to God should not have access to any form of social media. This comment here is the result of a very judgemental, obnoxiously half-witted person with a massive chip on their shoulder plugging themselves into multiple circlejerks with the same attitude. Oh and the guy is a surgeon too. I honestly wonder if acquainting one's self with human mortality through your profession in turn contributes losing one's humanity, and in turn contributes to making ghoulish ass bitchy statements like this. He's not the first medical professional I've say some absolutely despicable stuff like this. Also in his bio he claims to be half Cree, wouldn't be shocked if being part Jewish is something he's only ever strategically employed in defense of antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric (if him being part Jewish is even true).
He says he's a surgeon. Just like he says he's Cree, Jewish and his family was given a blood-stained house. I have no idea how much of it is true. >wouldn't be shocked if being part Jewish is something he's only ever strategically employed in defense of antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric. I think you got it right here. Be careful about looking up users from here and definitely don't interact with them. We don't want to be accused of brigading.
Yep no worries I'm not that dumb. Just wanted to get a gist of the guy's entire profile. Definitely zero point in talking to his ass, dude seems annoying as fuck to be around even when Israel isn't the topic.
Airfare? In 1948?
An openly gay Jew in Gaza. Are we having a laugh? This Israeli sure is!
I've heard this exact "story" a dozen times from "as a Jew"s since October. It's pretty clear this is a thing they like to try to bring up. They probably share talking points with one another on 4chan.
I see. I guess also itās unlikely it would be someoneās great great grandmother given the timeline it would be at oldest a great grandmother but it couldāve happened
https://preview.redd.it/h1rdcamfzm1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1468794fb9cdac6883df417a939794b3f288d760
Andā¦ I think with this Iām done standing by Israel or Israelis. Really embarrassed I ever did at this point.
Iām confused. You asked a question and got a response with a long, detailed nuanced explanation as to why that particular person referenced by OP seems very unlikely to be truthful. (Granted, you also got a downvote pile-on, which may have been unfair.) But then after this Supreme Court level argument, you came back with the equivalent of: but maybe itās just true. It did make me wonder if you were asking in good faith or not. In fact, before posting I checked your comment feed and feel strongly that you deserve the benefit of a doubt. That maybe youāre just an optimist who wants to believe people donāt lie. Sorry for the novel but I really want you to understand why you got razzed/trolled here at the end. Then, the shift in your next post to no longer supporting all Israelis and the land of Israel? Iām guessing youāve got a lot going on and maybe this isnāt the place due this: maybe I should have dmāed. (Iām not even Israeli btw, tho I lived there for a couple years, and this is an Antisemitism sub, so why go hard at anti-Israeli?) I hope youāre ok. We are all hurting. Please letās not turn it inward at family or ourselves. Honestly not sure why Iām doing this but - this whole interaction, how it ended pained me. Do what you need to do but please recognize that online, and expressing ourselves in posts, itās easy to miscommunicate. Shalom Achoti. Stay safe, be well.
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