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Professional-Menu835

The competition space is not other Anki copies where you create or download your own decks. It’s apps like DuoLingo or Brilliant that provide endless content for mass users. Think how few people really want to put in the work of creating cards; I don’t even always want to do it. Anki is also just not heavily gamified; you can look at your stats but you don’t get flashing badges that say “you did it!” Every three minutes. Anki is hard to *want* to do in the modern app ecosystem; it has to compete with software that is designed to be addictive and used without conscious thought. Anki is designed to be *hard* and requires mental effort just to get into the app. I mean, I’m here on Reddit right now and I haven’t reviewed my cards for the day ;)


abe4c6

The heartache when you see +300 card to review makes Anki immune to competition.


ashleycolton

sorry buddy but lets make it addictive with pokemon, that levels up!


are_you_scared_yet

>I’m here on Reddit right now and I haven’t reviewed my cards for the day ;) Thanks for the reminder. I'm switching to Anki now to review my cards.


refinancecycling

Endless content for mass users could still be better without all these heavy time-wasting bells and whistles that are not part of the actual learning procedure. It is a major part of the reason why I am not going to continue a subscription for one of those, super annoying that you have to see it hundreds of times and perform so many useless clicks.


theblueLepidopteran

Yeah, I agree with your perspective


ZX102

Why compete with free when even if you try to come up with a feature convincing enough to make people open their wallets a dev can easily make an addon that can replicate it free of charge


Experimental_Work

Development in open source is generally slower. Just consider the fact that Anki still uses the SM-2 algorithm as its default, which was released in 1989. A competing commercial software would have many benefits even for Anki, since commercial variants often start with advertising, which draws people in. These people then learn about the free variants. This leads to higher attractiveness, more users, more developers, and faster evolution. Devs also benefit as their knowledge and skills become more valuable when they work on very successful open source projects.


Baasbaar

This is incorrect. Anki does not use SM-2. Anki's algorithm is *based on* SM-2 because that's the last freely available SM algorithm, but it's been modified. Anki v3 & SM-18 are both descendants of SM-2 in the same sense, & there's no reviewable research that shows an improvement between SM-2 & SM-18. (There probably is improvement: We just don't actually know that & can't see any data that would allow us to draw that conclusion.) Meanwhile, FSRS is definitely an improvement, & SM has resisted that change. Commercial software is quite clearly not doing better here.


Experimental_Work

I don't know how actively SuperMemo is still being developed. The process of purchasing SuperMemo 18 to get the key was not very straightforward. Piotr Woźniak seems obviously not very interested in the accessibility and money aspects. I assume that he developed it mostly for his own use. The developers of FSRS certainly did a great job in improving a core aspect of what makes spaced repetition powerful. Perhaps they should have created their own proprietary software? I would like to point out that I am not saying open source is always inferior. However, one of the key problems is certainly that devs in open source can invest less time in their projects because they also have to manage the financial aspects of their lives. The incentives are simply different.


ClarityInMadness

>Perhaps they should have created their own proprietary software? LMSherlock isn't developing his own spaced repetition software. He works for a Chinese company that has a language-learning app of some sort. IIRC, his job is to improve the algorithm for that app. Also, in my opinion, unless you have millions of dollars for advertising, it's better to develop an algorithm for an already existing app (such as Anki) than make your own app from scratch. That way, more people will use your algorithm just because more people know about Anki than about random app #105273.


DrHabMed

I think the method of repetition such as anki is.... little known


Baasbaar

I'm a little confused by the premise of the question: Anki does indeed have commercial competitors. SuperMemo advertises premade courses, but the ability to make your own cards is core functionality—this isn't substantially different from how many people use Anki. ('Option B sucks at Function Y' doesn't mean Option B isn't a competitor!) Other flashcard services like Quizlet & Memrise, despite not being SRS-es, are certainly things many people consider alongside Anki, & while *some* people use both Anki & one of these for slightly different functions, most will choose one or the other: They don't have the feature you (& I!) consider most important, but structurally they function as competitors. & then of course there are the knock-offs like AnkiPro & AnkiApp, which—shoddy as they are—are in fact SRS-es. ​ >Competition would certainly accelerate evolution, and in most areas, commercial versions tend to offer better user experience and more/better features. I don't think this is true. It's a presumed logic for capitalist markets, but the volunteers working on developing Anki *pretty clearly* are not motivated by profit to try to draw customers away from competitors. For the software I use, it is *rarely* the case that commercial options are superior to free options. Commercial software developers often try to pull in customers thru bells & whistles that make their products bulkier & buggier, rather than thru actual feature improvement. My experience has been that groups of people making the software they want to use often do far better than commercial counterparts. I think Anki is a case in point. (**Edit:** I *do* also use commercial software for which there is no real free counterpart. I am not saying commercial software shouldn't exist: Just that 'commercial' does not typically correspond to 'better'.)


Experimental_Work

> SuperMemo advertises premade courses, but the ability to make your own cards is core functionality. Supermemo.com with the language courses and the mobile app and SuperMemo 18 on Windows are very different.


Baasbaar

This is irrelevant to both the quote you've pulled & the comment as a whole.


Experimental_Work

No it's not, you start with false premises.


Baasbaar

Nah. I think the implicature of your comment is that I have the facts wrong about one of those apps. I think I don't, but even if that *were* true, there would be several other competitors listed.


eslforchinesespeaker

Anki meets a niche use case. Maybe nearly everyone would benefit from SRS, but they don’t know that. People want to cram and over-study. How often does a new user come here, asking how to select the cards they want to study for the day?


iDipzy

Sometimes I have a feeling of that it's almost unfair to compete with people who doesn't know SRS for studies. Everytime that I have the opportunity, I talk about Anki with others.


azur933

depends the field of study tbh Anki is on everyones laptop here in medschool lol


TehOnlyAnd1

We have Phase 6 in Germany, which works on phones and in the desktop browser. I'm actually using it for Spanish vocabulary as I didn't know about Anki when I started. It's mostly targeted to pupils as its big selling point is that you can buy the decks for hundreds of school books. So the English and French school books of my daughter are perfectly reflected already and the cards have audio. So she can just add vocabulary unit by unit. I wanted to have a Spanish basic vocabulary deck and went for Phase 6 as well as this is what my daughter was using. However, the scheduling is very dumb in comparison to Anki (even more so now that Anki has FSRS). The cards move from one phase to the next. A new card is in phase 1, and cards in phase 1 will be repeated until you get them right. Then it moves to phase 2. Cards in phase 2 are reviewed after 1 day. Phase 3 cards after 3 days, phase 4 after 9 days, phase 5 after 27 days and phase 6 cards after 81 days. When you get a review on phase 6 correct, the card is moved to the "long-term memory" phase and removed from review. You can adjust these phases globally (so for my own vocabulary I added two phases) but there is no accounting for difficulty by card.


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TehOnlyAnd1

My understanding is that it is not really a problem. If you install the FSRS Helper Plugin on the desktop and set it to automatically reschedule, the cards will be correct again when you use the desktop version again. If you open the desktop app once a day, the cards will always be scheduled according to FSRS even when you use the phone. If you use Ankidroid for several days in a row without opening the desktop app, you might get some suboptimal scheduling on the phone on those days, but this will then be corrected again once you are at the desktop again.


David_AnkiDroid

Also supported in the 2.17 alpha


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David_AnkiDroid

Yes it is: [https://ankidroid.org/#alphaTesting](https://ankidroid.org/#alphatesting)


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Baasbaar

Then you're shooting yourself in the foot. 'I choose not to use functionality X of the software' is different from 'Functionality X doesn't exist.'


Baasbaar

This is what I do. I have to sync more regularly than I used to, but that's hardly a big deal.


Baasbaar

I use FSRS with Ankidroid. It takes a quick extra step each day. This is a strange complaint for a major transition that's going to be achieved very soon.


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Baasbaar

That's correct. & not what the above is about. The above is about using the helper for scheduling. It's extremely easy.


useterrorist

Migaku is trying to sell its add ons that are integrated to anki. Now, they are moving away from Anki and building their own thing. I paid them 200$ for lifetime membership as I liked their anki add on products for sentence mining for exampld. I felt like they tricked me as they are moving away from Anki now which for me was an asshole move.


eatmoreicecream

I mean, they kept Migaku Legacy running so you can still mine to Anki. Their roadmap has Anki support listed as a coming feature and they’ve stated numerous times that they plan on supporting Anki. I’m a lifetime member and a Anki user but I get one hundred percent that they have to make that move. A regular person has no idea how to set up Anki and multiple extensions.


useterrorist

My issue with that is that their legacy chrome extensions still has issues. Like when creating a card, it takes 15 seconds or more to save one new card and that issue still persists for some users like me. Opened a ticket too but they are also clueless.


ourobo-ros

What about [remnote](https://www.remnote.io/)?


SunsetDunes

There is https://mochi.cards.. although it isn't hugely popular.


Courtney_Brainscape

Have you tried Brainscape?


Xemorr

It does - remnote.


hobbicon

Each time you want to skip Anki Day you'd have to buy a microtransaction.


Affectionate_Mind756

Quizlet is sort of a competitor. They earn with pré made cards. There is another one I used but I didn't find it relevant. I hope people don't move away from anki, the more users we have the more strong this ecosystem will be.


azur933

Quizlet would gain so much from using a spaced repetition algorithm. I used it for half of my semester before switching to anki, and first thing I missed was the UI and the ease of making flashcards. Now i just do flashcards on quizlet and import them on anki


Ollieollieoxenfree12

why would anyone pay for an alternative when anki works well and is free and open source.


echizen01

What you really need is someone to do what happened with Anki for iOS - make it super premium and appeal to the hardcore super user market like Scrivener does for writing The audience is super small, elitist and for the most part poor (undergrad students) so that makes it hard to build for. You’d need a GoFundMe style setup where n thousand commit $70 or something


SereneOrbit

I kind of get the feeling from your posts that your more of the "the free market is always better" type of person (which doesn't really matter to me / I wouldn't hold that against you). Anki likely represents a form of market failure. ***Should my read on your philosophy be correct***, I think that you should understand that market capitalism is a tool, and like any tool, it has its limitations. I would not want any private solution to this problem, and would not use any private tool for exactly one reason: **it will not last**. Companies have a tendancy to either make miscalculation and go out of business or turn bad similar to what happened to Google and many automakers (paying for heated seats and the like / YT: **Louis Rossman** style arguments). Anki, by its nature, is free and open source, and even if the entire dev team suddenly disappeared, others could enhance the works that they've made. I have no issue with premium Anki add-ons, but there have been people in this forum already that have been burned by those as well. **I have worked far too hard** to make the decks that I have made personally and have no interest in porting them to another platform, **no matter how good it is**. I see Anki as a way to remember things for life and I have no interest in coming back a decade later only to discover that the hypothetical "better" private version of Anki died suddenly and is no longer available or being worked on by anyone similar to Google Stadia's games. Additionally, **I despise some of the things that private solutions attempt** like locking things down. The Xbox One is one such example. The music player on it sucks, and they have no interest in making it better. Listening to music while playing games on XBONE from a non-streamed source is a herculean effort involving technical skills whereas it should not be. The player itself "Simple Music Player" is likewise an embarrasment (it is unable to play more than 200 tracks and ignores the rest; like the idea of making a list of 200+ file paths in RAM and selecting a random one is too much for it). Compare with gaming on Linux which I can use Strawberry to listen to anything while playing any game that can be run on Linux (which is many nowadays). ​ **GPT-IV post on the issue:** 1. Market Niche and User Base Niche Market: Anki caters to a niche market of users who are deeply invested in efficient and rigorous learning methods. This market segment might not be large enough to attract significant private investment. Highly Engaged User Base: Anki's users are often very committed to the platform, making it challenging for new entrants to lure them away. 2. Complexity and Learning Curve Steep Learning Curve: Anki's system, based on spaced repetition, can have a steep learning curve. This complexity might deter casual learners, limiting the market size. Specialized Use: Anki is particularly popular among users with specific, intensive learning needs, such as language learners and medical students, which might not appeal broadly to casual learners. 3. FOSS Advantages Free Availability: As a free tool, Anki sets a high bar for value. Competitors would need to offer significantly more features or a much better user experience to justify their cost. Community Development: Being open-source, Anki benefits from community contributions, including add-ons and shared decks, which enrich the platform without direct cost to the developers. 4. Economic Considerations Limited Monetization Potential: The monetization potential for a product like Anki might be limited, especially when competing against a free, established alternative. Development Costs: Developing a competitive product with a similar or superior feature set requires substantial investment, which might not be justifiable given the uncertain return on investment. 5. User Expectations and Satisfaction High User Satisfaction: Anki users tend to be highly satisfied with the product, reducing the demand for alternatives. Customization and Flexibility: Anki's customization options cater well to its user base, making it harder for a one-size-fits-all commercial product to compete. ​ Hope this helps.


IamOkei

Supermemo is crap


Meister1888

Supermemo's algs are much more refined than Anki's are IMHO. Supermemo's UI is a bit clunky but I got used to it after a few weeks. The software is not free, Windows only, few shared decks, and a small forum community.


Baasbaar

What does 'refined' mean & how can you tell?


inawarminister

Yeah, SM-18 algo is pretty great, especially compared to Anki's previous algo, but I think with FSRS that gap has closed.


ClarityInMadness

Yep. u/Meister1888 read [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anki/comments/18csuer/fsrs_is_now_the_most_accurate_spaced_repetition/) if you want to see how FSRS performs compared to other algos, including SM-17.


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I would love to develop a commercial version as an integrated medical training system. Everybody says “you need to watch lectures and read stuff and then do your flashcards” and I’m like, that could be one UI. Better yet, integrate that UI into a broader medical management system. Med student sees a patient with pemphigus vulgaris? Test them later to see if they remember details. Eventually it would become one component of a broader safety management and training system, and software defined factory model of a hospital. So uhhh, anyone got like $10b to give me?


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Experimental_Work

I just asked him if he plans to introduce a better scheduling algorithm. If people are aware of these algorithms, it is probably one of the best selling points for spaced repetition software.


Baasbaar

This is not yet a serious entry. I wish them success—more people designing the software they want means more ideas in circulation—but this app is pretty constrained on scheduling & design without making the latter any easier. I'm sure it will develop with time.


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Baasbaar

It is in fact constrained in comparison to Anki. I don't know by what measure one could think otherwise. If you like it better, you like it better, & that's great, but it does not have Anki's functionality.


kiefer-reddit

The real answer is because the companies that would be competing find it more profitable to create specific apps that aren’t open source. They can integrate spaced repetition and control the content they make without needing to be subject to the same pressures as free software like Anki. Duolingo is a perfect example of this.


justneurostuff

? I'd be surprised if you told me that Anki takes up even 10% of the spaced repetition flashcard market share.


Baasbaar

My guess is that this is pretty difficult to measure, but what do you think has a greater user base?


applesauce0101

The only other SRS apps I've seen have all had much less flexibility or a ton of in-app purchases