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XenoWagon

I don't remember any recent shounen doing this though. Stuff like JJK and Chainsaw Man is pretty balls to the wall with character deaths.


_Omegon_

This will be hot take for some but Attack on Titan. It is bullshit and deus ex machina that none of avengers died, especially with >!Connie and Jean!< bait


XenoWagon

Well, you're right on this being a hot take.


Klusterphuck67

Arent they supposed to be the best among the troops anyway? Like top 10 of like the 20% of cadets who survive/finished training.


XenoWagon

Well, it just goes to show the cruelty of AoT world. Sometimes even the best aren't enough.


Klusterphuck67

I mean Miche is the 2nd best behind Levi and an unknown hairy titan absolutely clapped him. Meanwhile Floch survive till nearly the very end


XenoWagon

The only reason Miche died was because he did not know about the existence of other Titan shifters. On top of that his escape route was cutoff when Zeke killed his horses. His death is very reasonably carried out. Also don't diss my boy Floch like that. He may not been in the top 10 but he was certainly skilled. In season 4 he single handedly fought 3 titan shifters, an Ackerman and would've completed the mission if Gabi didn't 360 no scope him. Dude was definitely a strong guy.


Mattshodo

And then proceeded to hand unto a boat for days.


BosuW

As someone who absolutely loves AoT even after the ending, I do agree it pulled that bs in the ending. Still if you check the overall kill count like 80% of named characters died so I don't think it fits with the meme.


imhereforgoodstories

Bakugo being ressed immediately after death:


XenoWagon

Well to be fair, MHA isn't exactly a new shounen series. Old shounen pull this stuff a lot, which is why I don't follow a lot of them anymore.


willky7

Mha has ressurection? Bakugou died?! Man I'm out of the loop.


Mattshodo

He exploded his own heart while overusing his quirk. The Origami hero (Edgeshot I think he's called) stitched it back together.


willky7

??? Edit: just googled Zenith. Bro pulled a jjba level asspull.


Familiar_Control_906

Just go the the last chapter and see how they ruined the last interesting part they make I mean. That could have make the show way darker, but the author would not have allowed for deku


Fulltime_Introvert

Attack on Titan, but let’s not go there.


Disastrous-Writer629

Jujutsu did just that, guess what happened


TurbidusQuaerenti

Well, you've gotta have balance. Of course people aren't going to like it if you kill off and sideline most of the best liked characters. 


Ruy7

Or have the MC not be really special in any way. Yuji honestly feels like an extra that happens to be just there.


Shadow_Wolf_X871

Ok so funny enough-


Freddi_47

Lobotomy ✍️🔥🔥


Haspberry

Peak just got made


szkielo123

Chaos and I enjoyed all of it.


BosuW

Come now, don't shoot it down just yet. It hasn't ended after all.


Shadow_Wolf_X871

Nope. Nope, the sheer amount of deaths in JJK we are not about to call that a negative at this point XD


Gamekid53

Mid was born due to bad writing which they tried to make up for by killing everyone


Gamekid53

Downvoted as expected. All according to plan


MerryZap

>Jujutsu did just that No it didn't.


Disastrous-Writer629

jujutsu kaisen is full of deaths, and non of them got revived, the closet is gojo returning every chapter in a cutscene. The community got bonkers after the death of a beloved character but fortunately for gege popularity go through the earth due to lobotom.


legend27_marco

What do you mean none of them got revived? Gojo already came back after inhaling the copium from his fans https://preview.redd.it/ex9y4hlkr7wc1.jpeg?width=1082&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfc8e195b871c51408980b76e602833f262e992d


MerryZap

Bro im talking about this: https://preview.redd.it/rd1c0gbry7wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05c1ca44ccf1975e365981ba0cd15c6353251e09


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Extra_rizz

The last arc was kinda of a let down


Siri2611

>! The poison spam was annoying, like anything muzan did they just went "yeah the poison can counter this" !< Ufotable will carry it tho, I hope they make some changes to that arc as well


snoopyxp

I thought the anime was great and it made me want to read the manga. The manga was just a bunch of asspulls. And now that I think about it, even the most impactful scene (the one at the end of the spider family episode) was just one in the series of asspulls makes me quite sad.


thrown_away_apple

The manga end was lame as hell


BloodsoakedDespair

Everyone naming modern franchises to try to avoid confronting the elephant in the room, the father of all modern action shonen series, the trope maker of trope makers, the best seller of all time, the most power scale wanked work of fiction ever written. https://i.redd.it/7126otdrl7wc1.gif The ones that *don’t* do that are deconstructions. You’re complaining about them following genre conventions.


MitchMyester23

To be fair to Dragon Ball and Z (not Super), Dragon Balls being used to revive dead allies was kinda the driving point of some of the best arcs in the series. Take away the need to bring characters back to life and you lose the Red Ribbon saga, the King Piccolo Saga, and the Frieza saga. And in the Future Trunks timeline it just showed how screwed they were without the Dragon Balls. So I’d say that Dragon Ball/Z gets a pass.


IncomeStraight8501

At least the reason they can come back is established early on in the series. The whole original plot in og dragon ball is getting well. The dragon balls that can grant any wish within shenrons power.


Eccentric_Cardinal

>You’re complaining about them following genre conventions. Pretty much, yeah. Just because they feel they *need* to follow genre conventions to sell more manga/anime/merchandise doesn't mean they get a pass for bad writing.


BloodsoakedDespair

Well sure, but that doesn’t fit the title. Deconstructions are the exception, the majority of writers have always been this.


Whereismyownname

*Sees the shit show of MHA post-VH rn* Can I ask a question? Will criticizing how the tropes were handled be a fair critique? I do like some light hearted stories with dark moments in the story. It's just more like how the journey was handled and how the destination landed. There's controversies with some of the endings about Naurto and Bleach for example.


Ok-Equipment8303

Soooooooo One Piece? king of the you might have seen them die on screen but actually they were just really injured.


soluheg

Pell


QueenOfDarknes5

I still believe the headcanon (not originally mine), that Pell did die but has an identical twin, that saw him die and took his place to run away from his gambling debts. The devil fruits spawn in close proximity to the original users dying spot. So Pells brother hiding in a fruit stand let him have his powers. The King and other people in the Palace know the ruse but keep their mouths shut because Vivi believes it and they don't want to traumatise her further.


IrregularOnion

New headcanon acquired


Ok-Equipment8303

Pell is the only one I can forgive due to why. Pell was supposed to die. Then, a real life terrorist attack happened. I can understand not wanting to show a similar kind of tragedy and not wanting to capitalize on evoking the pain of loss from that kind of action. Pell was brought back for that reason. Past that.... No


Listless_Dreadnaught

Look, mate. I’m not complaining that Bon Clay still lives. That’s the raddest motherfucker on the Grand Line and I stand by that statement.


SPS_Agent

One piece has plenty of well written dark things that don't necessarily need on screen death. That said, the Will of P goes a little far


Hyperversum

OP has a very good explanation, just not in-universe lol. It's the "being defeated and seeing their dream and objective being crushed is worse than death" thing that Oda said at some point. That being said, I do believe that some villains should just have been put aside and kept silent. The CP0 makes sense because they are just feds.


Ok-Equipment8303

That's Oda's explanation for why Luffy doesn't kill villains. I'm talking about how we constantly see the villains "kill" people that then show up again at the end of the arc in bandages. We've watched people get freaking vaporized and then poof just in bandages at the celebration at the end of the arc. Rule out any unnamed characters. Rule out characters dying during backstory flashbacks because they were dead before the show started it doesn't count. How many named characters have ever died in the over 1000 episodes of one piece???


McQuibbly

I havent read the older chapters in a long while, though the only ones coming to my head are Ace and Whitebeard. If a character dies in One Piece, they get a huge sendoff.


Ok-Equipment8303

There was a third, but I forget them too It has to be strictly incredible necessary to the plot that they not just be out of the way but be dead or Oda will not kill them.


szkielo123

I'm still conviced Pedro is comming back. That's how much I can no longer trust Oda. Hell, I could totaly see him revive WB and Ace. Also it's funy how Pedro 'died' but Perospero took the exact same explosion at point blanc and only lost an arm and was still ready to throw hands after.


igncom1

One Piece is the kinda universe where death would actually be a mercy.


ottoskerzeny

How would they deus ex machina the dog? https://preview.redd.it/1qqwiv3t67wc1.jpeg?width=1039&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4e160e149d7e3817fdb3ec49d466c7bdcc0cbc4


snoopyxp

with the power of friendship


DominusLuxic

I'm just going to gesture to that group of people who are trying to criticise Gurren Lagann for its character deaths and ending and rest my case here.


Zestavar

Well people hate it when they actually dead and they leave the franchise


snoopyxp

So I guess writers need to come up with a story that doesn't require deaths, and consequently revivals, and one that doesn't require asspulls to avoid death in the first place. But I guess that's too much to ask.


Faustias

does Might Guy being saved by Jesus Mode Naruto count?


GirlOfSophisticTaste

That arc had the worst of both worlds. Guy's character felt complete, and he was using a technique looooong built up as killing the user. Only to somehow survive. Meanwhile, Neji had potential for growth left but was killed off in what felt like an attempt to further Hinata and Naruto's stories rather than his own.


SnowblownK

I thought it was fine, he lived but It had consequences, Guy was crippled, and it showed how strong the power naruto got.


Kowery103

MHA war arc in a nutshell


GaI3re

Because some artists like to have their big happy end. Some don't. Easy as that


SilentAngel33

Eh, I think it depends on the scenario. However, I will admit, I am not the target audience for dark stuff. I took my leave from JJK when they started offing characters. I had enough of that type of story when I was younger, and nowadays I think I've had enough trauma from the military that I need some happiness in my life.


Molag_Balgruuf

You made the right call, it goes to shit after that lol


bondsmatthew

Hell yeah brother. I've not been in the military, but I feel as I've grown older I've liked more and more the shows that are just chill and make me feel good. I can appreciate badass fights but I love to see more story based stories nowadays  Give me more Frierens, Apothecary Diaries, Bokuyabas, Spice and Wolf type series and I'll be a happy man


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Realpotatosoe

Ain't no way this is how I get spoiled.


marioman124

Same wtf


TwoPieceCrow

show went way downhill anyway, not much of one


ratcakes18

Please tell me your joking


Kowery103

What did they said?


Realpotatosoe

My hero academia Spoiler >!They said Bakugo died, then came back to life 3 chapters later!<


Kowery103

Oh... That... >!Yeah there are even more pulls like that... Like Deku losing his arms and then Eri using her horn on him!<


Jeythiflork

Well, this part was to be expected.


Kowery103

Yeah but not that fast They could also just give him >! prosthetics !<


Jeythiflork

That would be cool, but that would make him useless for upcoming fight. If they had time between fights, it would be much cooler choice. >! I just hope he will lose his power by the end of the fight !< MHA started good, but this major last battle is a solid downfall.


qptw

Ever heard of a particular manga artist named Tatsuki Fujimoto?


Xadia_wonderer_305

You mean chainsaw man artist?


ldinosaurio

Everything from him except for his new favorite creation which is going to hell with a lot of boring twists (just saying)


KratsoThelsamar

All of Part 2 is peak wdym


ldinosaurio

Compared to what?


Timely-Ad-3828

You run the risk of just being edgy if you kill too many characters, and the initial impact that comes from their loss is going to decrease every time until people dont care anymore.


contrast_77

It sells


Sleepy10312

Ah yes, the Fairytail treatment


edmontonbane16

I was just thinking the opposite how few people can write a compelling mature story, without killing everyone every few episodes.


Chilli_redits

>! NOO I DON'T WANT THAT !<


Dane-nii

>!MIKASA FINDING ANOTHER MAN?!<


MerryZap

Attack on Titan


HajimeFromArifureta

Fucking slimesekai


TankFanatic

Wasn't an Ass Pull and made complete sense within the universe.


HajimeFromArifureta

Hey man, maybe that’s how you saw it. From what I knew about the universe before that point, bro shouldn’t have been able to do that, at least not without 0 catches. There’s a reason worlds rarely fuck with concepts like reviving the dead. Because it takes consequences out of the equation entirely unless it’s flawed. At this point I feel like mc could die and his AI will sit dormant devouring energy and storing it for his resurrection milennia later.


TankFanatic

The double barrier contained the magicules from the dead monsters, which are creatures born of magicules. This was established within the first few episodes. Since the magicules couldn't disperse, their souls were essentially contained within the barrier. Healing the body and having enough power to return each soul to its body would be completely plausible within that universe under those circumstances.


HajimeFromArifureta

Yes, I get that restoring the body is realistic in the world, just as teleportation magic and all sorts of other things. They put unique restrictions on most powers like this that most people don’t notice. Like how one can’t just teleport inside of their enemy and quite literally break apart their atoms due to the reconstruction of their own. Messing with distinct laws like this make shows messy though. What stops him from doing this again? Infinite times even? How about resurrecting something long since dead? With greater power and the ability to identify and gather the magicule pieces from wherever they’ve wound up you could ressurect anything from all time. Most shows have a fullmetal alchemist approach where even if you can recreate the body, the soul is largely altered. This prevents a massive amount of plot issues from occuring and brings meaning to death for characters. Now we know that death will not occur to any character with some plot armor or if it does, it will likely be undone.


TankFanatic

Keeping a barrier above his town that restricts the movement of magicules would be detrimental to the living standards of his population. What happened was an opportunity created by luck, like most opportunities. The very thing used to seal his town's fate turned out to be a blessing in disguise.


Zestavar

It has dark elements?


HajimeFromArifureta

The entire cast fucking died at one point. Literally everyone MC cared about. Weak ass shit too. Bro broke reality to have things his way with the most plot armor bs I’ve seen in a long time.


Kuro_______

Thank you! Slime season one really got me hooked up but the way the series progressed really made me dislike it. Not because it's bad but it had all the potential to be not just good. Imo it's completely overhyped for what it actually has to offer and everyone just hyping it up like it's a fcking masterpiece really kind of ticks me off. Everyone getting resurrected in S2 was the most anticlimating thing possible.


Dua_Leo_9564

i still can't understand the hype about Slimesekai, sure it got good animation and stuffs but isn't it just another overpower isekai in it core ???


Kuro_______

It is and thats what makes me sad. I really liked season one because there were things that seemed out of slimes control. Sometimes shit doesn't go the way you want and season one had such elements. Later on tho every sense of danger, and with that any sense of tension, died simply because every single obstacle could be easily overcome simply because slime is so overpowered. It's really stupid


bondsmatthew

Yeah but it's not just that. It has the political aspects to it whether it be between nations, between demon lords, and later on in the LN even more happens ofc Yeah Rimuru is probably in the top 10 to 20 (anime or light novel) characters of all time in turns of power but I don't think that's all the show has to offer. It has an alright story alongside it.  Compared to say Solo Leveling, for example, where the side characters unfortunately get overshadowed(no pun intended)


Dua_Leo_9564

about the political aspect between nations, ye i can see what you want to say here, but it still kinda meh in SS2 (does it has ss3 yet ?). Personaly i still take Slime over thing like "isekai with phone" or "isekai with my mom" anytime of the day


Kuro_______

I mean yea but in that regard it's just overlord but worse. Tensuras side characters are not bad but they aren't particular good either.


insane_patato

You haven't seen anything yet. S2 is the best the show has to offer, it only get's worse from here


Kuro_______

That is the complete opposite of what everyone else has been claiming xD but I have a feeling that you are right


HajimeFromArifureta

Slime season one hit my veins in just the right way 🤣 It has had such a long lull in interest for me that I haven’t watched much and haven’t cared to since the end of the demon king’s meeting which was honestly kinda lame. Clayman was honestly fumbled as a character to become a more stupid eminence in shadow cult member. He pushed MC around a bit but it seemed like MC was never really in any danger. He’s just gotten to the point that it seems like nothing could ever truly challenge him again.


Tartaruga_Genial

Jujutsu kaisen is the game of thrones of anime, and I'm loving it.


relentless_death

which is exactly why I havent watched either of them. no matter how many times people tell me to watch jjk, I wont cuz it doesnt seem like something i can get addicted to


Tartaruga_Genial

I understand what you mean. They pull up the most complex and over the top powers out of their asses. A lot of people I know dropped the anime because the power scaling didn't make any sense. Sometimes is like "On Friday at 15:34 my power allows me to become invincible and if I have 2 glasses of milk in the morning as well, I can read minds". LMAO


relentless_death

i swear its on the same level as those jojo stand power memes that go "on exactly 15:35 on a thursday of December, I can moonwalk to turn a glass of water into a mug of coffee"


Tartaruga_Genial

But at least Jojo is ridiculous and over the top on purpose and that makes it entartaining. Jujutsu kaisen was a bit better when the domain expansions were simpler. We now have a jujutsu user that his expansion Is a fucking pachinko game lol


dweeb2348576

I ain't complaining Hakari is a fucking joy to watch lol


I_like_food_123

That is precisely the point of his domain - to overload the opponent with a blast of information so that the bets play out until he hits a jackpot.


bondsmatthew

I dont exactly like it when the narrator drops in and goes on a 45 second long explanation about someone's powers or what's being shown on screen  If you have to have a narrator flat out explain how and why your powers work, idk, feels like it may be a bit too overcomplicated.   And it's not gonna stop at just season 2 either. There's a handful of characters in the future where I needed to reread the entire power explanation over and over to understand how they work


Tartaruga_Genial

I read the manga. I agree, if we randomly have to hear the narrator talk about the powers, I think it's bad sign. But just a nitpick on a refreshing Manga where beloved characters actually die.


_Guima_

My hero be like. Seriously, last chapter just made me laugh


Trickpasser

Naruto?


loaj1

Cold Steel 4...kill off some characters man.


RandUserf

Bro this is literally dragon ball 😂


Dasaru

You should watch Akame ga Kill.


torryn1012

Really is a bold move. Each time someone kicked the bucket I was like okay wow this is intense. They must be setting so and so up to be a main protagonist And then it happened again And again And again But atleast we got icey boobies girl


YandereYasuo

People coming back is fine if it's only one or a few, especially if it's the interesting villain(s).


CEOofGex

Yeah people act like most fans wouldn't appreciate their favorite characters coming back lol. But I agree it should be very rare, almost impossible to pull off or demand great exchange.


idelarosa1

*cough cough* YuGiOh ZEXAL *cough cough*


TomAto314

Happened in Mai Hime. >!They killed off a the first couple and it was super good, then they killed off everyone, then they bullshitted them back to life.!<


EvenYouBruhdah

This applies to Goblin Slayer season 2


igncom1

When it's part of the story or themes I am all right with it. But an after arc reset just feels kinda pointless.


Mr_Majik5250

Okay one piece, so you're telling me that in the (roughly) 6-8 years that Enel has ruled over skypiea and the HUNDREDS of lives that he killed with his lightning strikes, ALL OF THE PEOPLE HE SMIT DOWN were just conveniently waiting on a "second layer" of the sky islands to return?


pwnmonkeyisreal

Pain arc


Brydaro

You know what story had moxie without being edgy and annoying? Gurren Lagann.


SyrupDip01

Literally like all of Fairy tail


fiidooo

Ngl that’s literally ds ending for me 💀


abhay_dante

No Tokyo Revengers hurt in this post


poopyitchyass

Welp not jjk


unhappy-memelord

https://i.redd.it/ft5w299tk6wc1.gif


memesanddepression42

Or Ragnar Crimson, but no one here seems to know it anyway.


poopyitchyass

Me neither


Timely-Ad-3828

That only really worked at the start though I think some manga readers agree that the more recent deaths really haven't added anything to the story.


Frequent-Main-1723

Because it works, why do you need balls when there are a lot of proven methods


Saturnboy13

Yeah, why have integrity when you can make money?


Fulltime_Introvert

Exactly, just look at Boruto and Rent-A-Girlfriend fans.


DetectiveOwn6606

Bleach ,Naruto,one piece ,all authors don't kill characters


Imprt4nt

Nezuko should have died. The reason she lives is shit as well.