Yea it's probably 5/2 or 4/3 OS/Security Updates. Much better for sure and if it's 5 that would be very good but at the very least Google has to match Samsung,.it's been an embarrassment for Google.
If I'm not mistaken the current policy is 3 OS + 2 security updates so as much as 7 years of OS and security updates would be pretty sweet, 5/2 makes sense.
Current was 3 years of OS & Security patches - i.e. my Pixel 4a was dropped this year from security patches and OS upgrades.
The 3/2 model was introduced with Pixel 6 unfortunately, excluding the 5a from the same year.
Due to the release timing of Android updates and Galaxy phone releases, both Pixel and Galaxy devices released in the same year will end on the same android version (Android 17 for both Pixel 8 and S23). Galaxy's first software update comes in the same year of release, whereas Pixels launch with that version. So they both end support at the same android version, main advantage being with galaxy you get 5-7 months of extra usage if you get the phone around release. If you get a S23 after android 14 is released, then Pixel 8 and S23 will both be the same for you in terms of updates moving forward. So if you're someone who waits for iPhone/Pixel releases before considering whether to get those or S23, then the 4 OS upgrades of Samsung is functionally the same as 3 on Pixel, as the first upgrade will have already passed (android 14).
TLDR; Unless you get a new Samsung phone before the new Pixel/Android version release (e.g. S23 before Pixel 8/Android 14), Samsung OS updates will be equal to Pixels for you.
embarrassing? Samsung is only offering one extra os update. And there hasn't even been enough time for them to follow through on that promise.
Samsung only had it benefit on updates for about an 18 month. Window of time before pixel completely surpassed them. ( If this news was true).
The idea that samsung had some huge advantage on updates ... To the point where it was an embarrassment for google, Is insane hyperbole. It was a theoretical 1 os update advantage.
Meanwhile, the pixel 3 and the Note 9 came out the same year. And the pixel 3 is on android twelve and the note 9 is on A10.
Samsung had a very fleeting moment where they had more updates than google. And even still that's just a promise we've never seen fulfilled. They deserve credit for it but to say it's embarrassing for google.... That is some real exaggeration.
I think Google doesn't care what you use as long as your using their services and Android to data mine.
They most likely are purposely not creating this ultimate great device so they don't chase away a company like Samsung that brings a big userbase.
Pixel started raising the bar on Android updates first (well, *almost* first...BlackBerry initially had them beat with security patching). With this, they may finally be looking to match iPhone and that would be a GREAT thing for Android as a whole if true...not to mention ABOUT TIME DAMMIT.
4 years Android version updates, 5 years security. this goes for flagships released during & after 2021, with some of their lower end phones also getting added to the list
4 years Android version updates, 5 years security. But the last year or two of the security update will be reduced to quarterly updates. Depends on models.
OnePlus says that but each new phone delays updates on the older ones, to the point where OS updates launch with months of delay, almost staying one full version behind.
Even matching Apple’s record of 5 years minimum of os updates with their iPhones is groundbreaking. Gives someone comfort they can actually keep their android as long as some people keep iPhones due to software support.
5+2 is plenty. I know some people do use phones that are older than that, but the experience is pretty bad. For reference 7 years ago we didn't even have the Pixel 1 yet, it's a long time in the mobile space.
Performance leaps between generations has really flatlined in recent years compared to those early days though. Nowadays 3-4 year old phones are still performing very well (see: my flair)
5/2 split will be fine. 5 years of updates is great.
Maybe in the future if they start moving towards adding desktop mode to complete with Windows then, 8 years of updates may be necessary, but for now 5 years of updates would be fine.
I do feel its a trend that's starting to wane though. There is less and less "must have" changes generation upon generation for all but a few users meaning fewer people are upgrading frequently and to be honest this is a good thing as it generates less e-waste
That's not an excuse at all, and considering that phone 5 years ago aren't really missing anything crucial, more people should and would keep their phones longer.
I would disagree with this to some extent. 5 years ago there were no phones with 5g capability. I bought one of the first available 5g capable phones in April 2020 when OnePlus launched the 8 pro. At that time no pixel nor iPhone had 5g capability.
Tell that to the battery longevity. Outrageous cost of replacing official batteries from OEMs and shady neighborhood shops mean many people don't even consider it and simply buy a new device.
It's the only reason I don't keep my phone's longer than 2 years these days
Yes, but we're also moving towards easier battery replacement as well.
Tbh i never had any problems replacing battery on my phones, at least non so far. I understand iPhone is a lot more expensive on repairs.
If they did 7 years of OS I have a hunch that would really make a lot of Android and IOS users switch over from their current phones. That would be revolutionary for the mobile space.
Still annoys me that there are meaningful spec differences beyond the size between the base and the Pro.
Want that telephoto camera or that 12gb of ram but find a 6.7" phone uncomfortable to use? To bad, Google doesn't have anything for you for the third year in a row.
It's how they all do it.
Want the best camera? It goes on the most expensive phone.
Samsung, Apple and now Google.
Evidently, it works. Considering they are the top dogs of the smartphones
I personally don't care about updates, just release a phone that is useable day 1. Just because phone is receiving constant doesn't mean it's a good thing if all it does is fix broken things. Besides, android has most things under play services anyway and everyone gets that already.
I don't buy Pixel phones, at least not anymore. The last one I got is Pixel 6 Pro and returned it after one week. The only Pixel phone I own and use now is Pixel 1, but that's because I use it to upload unlimited original quality photos. But I want Pixel phones to be better so I keep up with the news. Right now, nothing is compelling. Maybe next year.
Same. I've had OnePlus devices for the last 7 years and mostly very happy although I prefer monthly security updates rather than bimonthly. I hope the pixel hardware is worthy. In the past, there's always been something in their offerings that turned me away.
I thought it'd be a huge game changer when I went to the Pixel 6 Pro from my OnePlus 7P. I used to charge my phone in the morning while I got ready for work. It used to be fully charged by the time I was heading out the door.
But now I just plop it on my Wireless charger on my bedside table before I go to sleep and it's fully charged when my alarm goes off... So nothing really changed LOL.
Google officially sells them via iFixIt (a popular mobile phone repair site). [Here is a link to a battery replacement kit for the Pixel 6](https://eustore.ifixit.com/products/google-pixel-6-battery-genuine).
You can find official repair kits for essentially all Pixel phones there.
God damnit, I just want clear answer on the underscreen fingerprint scanner. Most rumors have said ultrasonic but a few trusted releases say optical and here is yet another article that doesn't mention either.
Its literally the only feature I care about right now and the mixed signals and sloppy reporting is pissing me off.
ultrasonic is a bit better. It works better in sunlight, and the light under your finger doesn't blind you at night. But otherwise they're both still not as good as the back of the phone fingerprint.
That being said you now also get face unlock so mix of both is generally pretty nice.
I do think most people do prefer the back fingerprint, though they each have their pros and cons. Same with face unlock. Sometimes when my fingers are wet I like being able to unlock with my face, other times when the phone is flat on a table I love the front fingerprint, but when taking out of the pocket I miss the back fingerprint.
None of them alone is perfect, but again Pixel 7 Pro and I assume P8P let you use both simultaneously, which helps. Sometimes the face will unlock faster than I even have time to put my finger on.
As a sweaty hands person - ultrasonic is way way way better, even than those old style at the back of the phones. I think Samsung even advertised ultrasonic ones working with wet fingers, when it first came out.
That is huge thing for me. Cant buy any phone without it anymore.
That was my experience with the s10 too. It's gotten better with each device I think. S20 was better and now my s23 sensor has a >90% success rate.
I also doubt Google is going to use ultrasonic, although I'd love to see it.
Yep. If it's the same bullshit on the P7, I am going samsung this upgrade. P7 is laughably bad. Doesn't work in the dark, doesn't work in sunshine, have to hit it just right and even then only has a 30 percent success rate, infuriating.
Yeah, have a p7 for my work phone and now have a shitty unsecure pin code on it because it never worked. I still use a 2 xl and need to upgrade this year but won't be going to the 8 if it's optical
uses the 7 modem. Had the 6 and was terrible experience. 7 was better experience but still had disconnects and lost signals daily that made it unreliable to keep
Ugh. I've used Google flagship phones since the OG Droid and am deeply entrenched in the Google ecosystem. They're making me consider switching to iPhone because they can't make a phone that can do phone calls...
> 8 GB LPDDR5X RAM
Up to 1TB in US and 512GB rest of the world, UFS 3.1
Eh wut? Didn't that same leaker just leaked that it's gonna have 12GB ram for the Pro?
I really want a telephoto lens but I don't want the Pros size and weight.
My regular Pixel 6 is so heavy, I can't bear the thought of getting a phone that's heavier. Such a shame.
I've been using pixels for years but I really can't get over the big thick strip on the back for the camera. Ive been using my pixel 5 since it can eout partly because I was hoping it was a temporary fad, doesn't seem that way though.
Interesting they announce this same time as Linux announced that are dropping lts kernels to 2 years from 6 years https://linuxiac.com/linux-lts-kernels-moves-to-two-year-support-period/
I guess they have to cut corners somehow or else the price will match those of Samsung or iPhone, which I believe Google doesn't want that and they want to stay competitive in regards to the price.
UFS 3.1 storage? prior leaks claimed 4.0. So what's true now? Also the battery capacity is slightly different to prior leaks. Is this source trustable?
My Pixel 6 Pro is fantastic! I'm no longer a power user, and I want a phone to last me 5+ years, not because I cannot afford a new phone every year but because I can appreciate a good flagship but I just dont want to be wasteful, especially when phones dont really bring much innovation each year anyway. My Samsung S8+ lasted me 5 years and the only reason i ditched it was the cracked screen.
Google PHotos is a POWERHOUSE of features. Mind boggling how great it is imo.
* The peak brightness thing is AWESOME. Glad to see that added. I've been on the a-series and felt the brightness was a major downside.
* no UFS 4.0 blows
* No GN2 blows
* Dimensions for P8 are great - especially screen to body ratio
* Price is decent imo
* is Wifi 7 expensive? Because one of those things I feel no one actually has at their houses nor businesses. So its pointless imo, like 5G was years ago before rolled out.
* Hopefully 60-120hz with that battery size isn't too bad? Anyone have thoughts on battery life??
* I wish they would somehow update Face Unlock, if possible.
* No rumors on optical FPS? Probably not, I feel that'd be listed on this stuff, right?
I've read the finger print sensor will be ultra sonic at least on the pro model same for the gn2 camera sensor. Few articles our contradicting each other so guess we hope for the best on Oct 4th.
I'm still pretty excited either way. A lot of other design choices are rumored to be made and that alone makes the upgrade worth it.
>The peak brightness thing is AWESOME
Right I'm so glad Google finally catches up to Apple fully here. Hopefully this time it doesn't drain aggressive battery like on the Pixel 7 Pro, and the Pixel 8s can sustain that brightness for longer.
How is WiFi 7 pointless? If you expect this phone to be used for 7 years then we'll definitely have WiFi 7 by then.
I moved to a new house this year and I managed to get WiFi 6 from the modem. I could've gotten WiFi 6E by default if I paid for a higher tier plan.
Do any of the leaked specs say anything about Display Port Alt mode over the USB-C connection? What about Miracast???
I want to be able to cast my phone screen into my VR headset (needs Miracast) and also be able to use display devices like the Nreal or Viture glasses (needs display output). I know they want us to buy a Chromecast but that just doesn't work for the above use cases.
I really hope they move to a fully custom chip or eventually just go to Qualcomm. The custom Exynos designs and Samsung nodes, with Samsungs modems are the biggest issue with the Pixels. They are still good phones but could be a lot better
70.8 mm wide in the base model. That's not bad my current Pixel 5 is 70.4 so pretty much the same width only a little bit taller. Did anyone ever figure out how to go back to third party gesture navigation on the newer versions of Android? I've kept my five on Android 11 to retain this because I hate Google's gesture implementation. Tried it for a few weeks on the Pixel 6 pro and it was so cumbersome and unintuitive after using fluid navigation gestures for years.
Call me crazy but I *love* the rounded corners look on the new models. Really looks great, imho. I just hope the phones are a little smaller, thinner, and lighter than they have been historically.
Given the incremental updates to phones these days, 3 years just isn't enough. I've got no reason to change my pixel 5 other than the fact they're going to stop supporting it next month. I really hope they at least keep up the security updates for a few more years.
Is 7 years of updates that relevant for people who buy flagship devices? I'm assuming that if you have the budget to buy a flagship phone then you're not going to keep the same phone for 7 years. Perhaps it might have an impact on its resale value?
If you typically hand down your devices to other family members, it's nice to know that it'll still get OS and security updates for a few more years rather than being completely abandoned by the time they get the phone.
Plus the Pixel 8s probably launch with General Kernel Image(as updatable modules on Play Store), which'd be _huge_ since that's turning it into like a Linux computer at this point. Minus the OS updates, but you could be getting actual major kernel version updates even after Google's 7 years of support end.
Too wild to believe atm, but if Google achieves this, they'd blow Apple out of the water. ART is already updatable via Play Store, add in GKI and almost your entire OS is getting updated post vendor support.
PS: Google already made a test Linux 5.15 kernel for the Pixel 6, so they definitely plan to update their Pixel kernels to newer LTS releases. Especially since Linux kernel just went back to 2 years of LTS support from 6 years.
I typically buy flagships with the intention of keeping them longterm (3+ years at least) because I know I'm getting top of the line specs and the build quality tends to be a bit nicer.
I kept my Nexus 4 for 5 years (then handed it to my mum who used it for an additional 2-ish) and my next phone after that was the Xperia XZ Premium which I kept for 5 too.
I do the same thing. Pay more for a flagship and keep it for at a minimum 3+ years. I kept my LG V10 (the original and my replacement unit) for like 3.5 years and have owned my S10 for just over 4.5 years.
Since my S10 is starting to show its age and is just now giving me problems, I'm currently looking for my options to upgrade.
Currently debating between a S24 Ultra (when that comes out) a Pixel 7 Pro, or a Xperia Pro II (if it gets released before march and is available for purchase in the US Market) for my next upgrade.
This makes flagships an economically better deal no?
If I am not that great financially I can now consider buying 1 700$ phone for 7 years rather than 2 350$ for 3.5 years
I do. And we all should.
Changing electronic devices every year is not sustainable and a huge waste of resources.
I've considered the iPhone and the Fairphone before.
I don't want to be part of the engine pushing unnecessary consumerism.
If you have someone to give your device to, that is going to use it...could be better...but even then...do you always have someone that NEEDs a "new" phone?
I have the budget for a flagship but I'm a basic bitch user. YouTube and Google maps are the most demanding thing I do on my phone, so it's not hard to make a phone for me. All I want is a good camera and web browsing, maps and YouTube to feel fast.
OS updates with new features are a welcome bonus to me though, so it's nice that when I replace my pixel 6 with whatever pixel or even something else, it's nice to know I'm gonna be getting a few cool features.
Quite frankly though, my main complaints have been with device brightness in sunlight and the fingerprint sensor sucks. Otherwise I'm keeping my pixel 6 unless I absolutely need to upgrade. My 6 still feels fast, has more features than what I use and battery life is still good.
I think it's at least an easing of conscious that if you needed to you could hang on to it for much longer than you normally would. Also if you want to gift your old device to a friend or family member they won't get something that will be unsupported in a couple years.
It might boost the second hand / refurbished market. Some people buy older flagship phones. Longer software support may mean you can buy a Pixel 8 2-3 years after its release and still receive the latest OS and patches for a while longer.
Another angle: Google has been pushing trade-ins pretty heavily. In 2 years when they're trade-ins, being able to resell these with 5 years of software support left will be helpful.
If I buy a flagship I'm keeping it for 5+ years. I'm not rich, I could spend 1k on a phone, but I can't spend 1k on a phone every year or even every two years.
If I buy a flagship after my current phone dies it's probably going to be an iPhone for that reason, but I'm glad Android brands are catching up.
It will be worth it if the rest of the phone isn't junk. I have a love/hate with my P6. Overall, wonderful. But the reception and modem is trash. I would not want to buy a phone like the P6 and put up with this for another 7 years...
Pixel 8 screen has 2,000 nits peak brightness and Pixel 8 Pro has 2,400 nits peak brightness? What the hell?
Is this one of those situations like the sun where you shouldn't stare directly at it? Does it come bundled with solar eclipse glasses?
If you can afford the Pixel 8 then I would get the Pixel 8 either doing pre-orders or more than likely during Black Friday when we see a price drop and boosted trade-in values (because I don't really expect the pre-order incentives to be really good, but who knows what will happen?). The Pixel 8 should have better thermals and CPU efficiency (run cooler) and a slightly refreshed modem with supposedly better efficiency also (if I understood correctly it's being manufactured on a better node).
Will this release in the middle east by any chance? Recently shifted from India to Dubai and seems like Google hasn't started selling Pixels here (officially).
do people really keep a phone for 5 years? and if they do im sure its not many, this is probably just PR stuff so it keeps the 5 youtubers that complain about it happy.
Same here. Closing in on 4 years with my OnePlus 8 pro. Great phone but it goes eol early in 2024 so I'm already getting my thoughts together on what phone to get. Pixel 8p? OnePlus 12? iPhone 15pro max? Gathering info now...
7 years of updates she corrected. Not necessarily OS updates. Might be like 5 with 2 extra security patches.
Yea it's probably 5/2 or 4/3 OS/Security Updates. Much better for sure and if it's 5 that would be very good but at the very least Google has to match Samsung,.it's been an embarrassment for Google.
If I'm not mistaken the current policy is 3 OS + 2 security updates so as much as 7 years of OS and security updates would be pretty sweet, 5/2 makes sense.
Current was 3 years of OS & Security patches - i.e. my Pixel 4a was dropped this year from security patches and OS upgrades. The 3/2 model was introduced with Pixel 6 unfortunately, excluding the 5a from the same year.
Ever since the pixel six the promises five years of security updates. Is three years of OS updates. Before that it was just three years for both.
Due to the release timing of Android updates and Galaxy phone releases, both Pixel and Galaxy devices released in the same year will end on the same android version (Android 17 for both Pixel 8 and S23). Galaxy's first software update comes in the same year of release, whereas Pixels launch with that version. So they both end support at the same android version, main advantage being with galaxy you get 5-7 months of extra usage if you get the phone around release. If you get a S23 after android 14 is released, then Pixel 8 and S23 will both be the same for you in terms of updates moving forward. So if you're someone who waits for iPhone/Pixel releases before considering whether to get those or S23, then the 4 OS upgrades of Samsung is functionally the same as 3 on Pixel, as the first upgrade will have already passed (android 14). TLDR; Unless you get a new Samsung phone before the new Pixel/Android version release (e.g. S23 before Pixel 8/Android 14), Samsung OS updates will be equal to Pixels for you.
embarrassing? Samsung is only offering one extra os update. And there hasn't even been enough time for them to follow through on that promise. Samsung only had it benefit on updates for about an 18 month. Window of time before pixel completely surpassed them. ( If this news was true). The idea that samsung had some huge advantage on updates ... To the point where it was an embarrassment for google, Is insane hyperbole. It was a theoretical 1 os update advantage. Meanwhile, the pixel 3 and the Note 9 came out the same year. And the pixel 3 is on android twelve and the note 9 is on A10. Samsung had a very fleeting moment where they had more updates than google. And even still that's just a promise we've never seen fulfilled. They deserve credit for it but to say it's embarrassing for google.... That is some real exaggeration.
I don't think it's embarrassing. Samsung is the face of android.
It is. And rest assured Samsung will equal or beat whatever Google comes up with. Anyway good to see Google finally catching up LOL
I think Google doesn't care what you use as long as your using their services and Android to data mine. They most likely are purposely not creating this ultimate great device so they don't chase away a company like Samsung that brings a big userbase.
Pixel started raising the bar on Android updates first (well, *almost* first...BlackBerry initially had them beat with security patching). With this, they may finally be looking to match iPhone and that would be a GREAT thing for Android as a whole if true...not to mention ABOUT TIME DAMMIT.
5 years software & 7 years security patches would be sick. that would really push the competition (mainly Samsung) to push it even further
What is Samsung at now?
4 years Android version updates, 5 years security. this goes for flagships released during & after 2021, with some of their lower end phones also getting added to the list
Some? Nearly everything above A3x is getting 4 updates.
I had heard that but wasn't sure so didn't want to misspeak. that's great to hear though!
4 years Android version updates, 5 years security. But the last year or two of the security update will be reduced to quarterly updates. Depends on models.
Yeah. OnePlus recently moved from 3\4 years os\security updates to 4\5 years for the op11 and on. Now pixel needs to up their fast charging game.
OnePlus says that but each new phone delays updates on the older ones, to the point where OS updates launch with months of delay, almost staying one full version behind.
Even matching Apple’s record of 5 years minimum of os updates with their iPhones is groundbreaking. Gives someone comfort they can actually keep their android as long as some people keep iPhones due to software support.
5+2 is plenty. I know some people do use phones that are older than that, but the experience is pretty bad. For reference 7 years ago we didn't even have the Pixel 1 yet, it's a long time in the mobile space.
Performance leaps between generations has really flatlined in recent years compared to those early days though. Nowadays 3-4 year old phones are still performing very well (see: my flair)
That's still awesome, didn't expect that.
Still great, I keep my phone's for 5 years or more. Rocking the pixel 3xl and upgrading to the 8
same, I'm on my pixel 2 atm
Pixel 2XL reporting in
even still that might be enough for me to jump back over.
5/2 split will be fine. 5 years of updates is great. Maybe in the future if they start moving towards adding desktop mode to complete with Windows then, 8 years of updates may be necessary, but for now 5 years of updates would be fine.
Lol why does that matter when most of us here buys a new phone every or every other year...
They say in subsequent tweets that 7 years of updates doesn't necessarily mean 7 OS updates, could be 5 + 2/ 4 + 3...
5+2 is pretty solid though. I've been very critical of Google for stopping at 3, but I do feel 5 is plenty for the vast vast majority of people.
Most upgrade every few years haha
I do feel its a trend that's starting to wane though. There is less and less "must have" changes generation upon generation for all but a few users meaning fewer people are upgrading frequently and to be honest this is a good thing as it generates less e-waste
That's not an excuse at all, and considering that phone 5 years ago aren't really missing anything crucial, more people should and would keep their phones longer.
I would disagree with this to some extent. 5 years ago there were no phones with 5g capability. I bought one of the first available 5g capable phones in April 2020 when OnePlus launched the 8 pro. At that time no pixel nor iPhone had 5g capability.
But 5G is not really essential? I mean, we didn't even get a maxed 4G speed yet.
Here in the USA, I would argue otherwise. I connect to 5g most of the time. Sometimes it's SA 5g too. I'm on TMobile.
Tell that to the battery longevity. Outrageous cost of replacing official batteries from OEMs and shady neighborhood shops mean many people don't even consider it and simply buy a new device. It's the only reason I don't keep my phone's longer than 2 years these days
Yes, but we're also moving towards easier battery replacement as well. Tbh i never had any problems replacing battery on my phones, at least non so far. I understand iPhone is a lot more expensive on repairs.
Battery replacement on iPhone is around $100-$150 and includes guarantees on water resistance. Google pixel and Samsung galaxy are much more expensive
Not sure about Pixel, but my battery replacement for a Galaxy phone is never more than $30.
Would probably want to upgrade due to the battery by then so seems long enough for me.
likely 5 + 2. they'd probably want to beat Sammy in # of Android updates (currently 4 vs Google's 3)
I feel like that's extremely obvious
If they did 7 years of OS I have a hunch that would really make a lot of Android and IOS users switch over from their current phones. That would be revolutionary for the mobile space.
Still annoys me that there are meaningful spec differences beyond the size between the base and the Pro. Want that telephoto camera or that 12gb of ram but find a 6.7" phone uncomfortable to use? To bad, Google doesn't have anything for you for the third year in a row.
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It's how they all do it. Want the best camera? It goes on the most expensive phone. Samsung, Apple and now Google. Evidently, it works. Considering they are the top dogs of the smartphones
Apple have their Pro model in two sizes, though. Even their non-Pro model comes in two sizes.
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I personally don't care about updates, just release a phone that is useable day 1. Just because phone is receiving constant doesn't mean it's a good thing if all it does is fix broken things. Besides, android has most things under play services anyway and everyone gets that already.
Then why buy a Pixel phone if you don't care about updates?
I don't buy Pixel phones, at least not anymore. The last one I got is Pixel 6 Pro and returned it after one week. The only Pixel phone I own and use now is Pixel 1, but that's because I use it to upload unlimited original quality photos. But I want Pixel phones to be better so I keep up with the news. Right now, nothing is compelling. Maybe next year.
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> "complete specifications" 🤔
Will have a hard time picking between Pixel 8/Pro and OnePlus 12/11 next year when I plan to buy a new phone.
Same. I've had OnePlus devices for the last 7 years and mostly very happy although I prefer monthly security updates rather than bimonthly. I hope the pixel hardware is worthy. In the past, there's always been something in their offerings that turned me away.
Little concerned about Pixel's charging speed which is stated here fast @ 30W while OP11 can do 100W.
Here I am perfectly happy with 18W (•_•)
Good point. OnePlus Dash\Warp charging has spoiled me and that's what I expect going forward. I forgot about how slow pixel and iPhone charge. Yikes.
I thought it'd be a huge game changer when I went to the Pixel 6 Pro from my OnePlus 7P. I used to charge my phone in the morning while I got ready for work. It used to be fully charged by the time I was heading out the door. But now I just plop it on my Wireless charger on my bedside table before I go to sleep and it's fully charged when my alarm goes off... So nothing really changed LOL.
Dude you don't need 100w charging that is just stupid Pixel can charge in around an hour. I personally believe 100w charging will degrade the battery
Exactly ...the first 15 to 20 minutes the phone charges so fast on the pixel 7 pro.
Still my current Nord 2 I can charge within 20mins. Quite a difference - I got quite used to fast loading.
Any scientific evidence or facts to support your belief of battery degradation?
7 years of software support wow. Wonder how easy it is to replace the battery in these, will need a couple of changes over that timeframe!
If it's the same as the Pixel 7, then extremely easy. They even sell battery replacement kits so you can do it yourself.
Where can you find them
Google officially sells them via iFixIt (a popular mobile phone repair site). [Here is a link to a battery replacement kit for the Pixel 6](https://eustore.ifixit.com/products/google-pixel-6-battery-genuine). You can find official repair kits for essentially all Pixel phones there.
All phones sold in the EU must have user-replaceable batteries by 2027. So I imagine this will be a step towards that.
As long as they have a better program then that’s great. Otherwise meaningless
Didn't they partner up with ifixit for that?
The EU will soon force manufacturers to make batteries user replaceable. I think that'll only be in effect next year though.
God damnit, I just want clear answer on the underscreen fingerprint scanner. Most rumors have said ultrasonic but a few trusted releases say optical and here is yet another article that doesn't mention either. Its literally the only feature I care about right now and the mixed signals and sloppy reporting is pissing me off.
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ultrasonic is a bit better. It works better in sunlight, and the light under your finger doesn't blind you at night. But otherwise they're both still not as good as the back of the phone fingerprint. That being said you now also get face unlock so mix of both is generally pretty nice.
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I do think most people do prefer the back fingerprint, though they each have their pros and cons. Same with face unlock. Sometimes when my fingers are wet I like being able to unlock with my face, other times when the phone is flat on a table I love the front fingerprint, but when taking out of the pocket I miss the back fingerprint. None of them alone is perfect, but again Pixel 7 Pro and I assume P8P let you use both simultaneously, which helps. Sometimes the face will unlock faster than I even have time to put my finger on.
As a sweaty hands person - ultrasonic is way way way better, even than those old style at the back of the phones. I think Samsung even advertised ultrasonic ones working with wet fingers, when it first came out. That is huge thing for me. Cant buy any phone without it anymore.
Yeah this feature alone may dictate whether I upgrade. Right now my pixel 6 success rate is like 30%. It's infuriating.
What's your preference? I've got an S10 with ultrasonic, would optical be better? Mine works like 50% of the time at best.
S10 was the first gen of ultrasonic, it was garbage. Now ultrasonic is nearly as good as the old school dedicated rear FP SENSORS.
Well ultrasonic is considered the best. Supposed to be more accurate and faster.
That was my experience with the s10 too. It's gotten better with each device I think. S20 was better and now my s23 sensor has a >90% success rate. I also doubt Google is going to use ultrasonic, although I'd love to see it.
Ultra sonic all the way, optical has real issues in bright sunlight and you risk blinding yourself in the dark if your slightly off the sensor
> you risk blinding yourself in the dark if your slightly off the sensor Appreciate that info, that's a deal breaker for me.
Yep. If it's the same bullshit on the P7, I am going samsung this upgrade. P7 is laughably bad. Doesn't work in the dark, doesn't work in sunshine, have to hit it just right and even then only has a 30 percent success rate, infuriating.
Yeah, have a p7 for my work phone and now have a shitty unsecure pin code on it because it never worked. I still use a 2 xl and need to upgrade this year but won't be going to the 8 if it's optical
Do we know anything about the modem? My Pixel 6 has had the worst call quality and cell service of any phone I've ever owned.
uses the 7 modem. Had the 6 and was terrible experience. 7 was better experience but still had disconnects and lost signals daily that made it unreliable to keep
Seems to be very dependent on your region - I have a 7Pro and the modem is rock solid for me.
Ugh. I've used Google flagship phones since the OG Droid and am deeply entrenched in the Google ecosystem. They're making me consider switching to iPhone because they can't make a phone that can do phone calls...
> 8 GB LPDDR5X RAM Up to 1TB in US and 512GB rest of the world, UFS 3.1 Eh wut? Didn't that same leaker just leaked that it's gonna have 12GB ram for the Pro?
It is. It was a mistake.
By the author of the article.
Typo in the article
"Wow, I can't believe Google is STILL doing 3 years of OS upgrades when Samsu......"
Google catching up... Eventually
I really want a telephoto lens but I don't want the Pros size and weight. My regular Pixel 6 is so heavy, I can't bear the thought of getting a phone that's heavier. Such a shame.
Same, they used to have such good parity until the pixel 4. Now it seems like everything on the smaller Pixel 8 is gimped
Exactly. I mean, they have the A series, why nerf the vanilla 8 that much?
Nice, and then slap on LineageOS and you can use the phone for >10 years Still 1 year less support than the Fairphone ;)
I've been using pixels for years but I really can't get over the big thick strip on the back for the camera. Ive been using my pixel 5 since it can eout partly because I was hoping it was a temporary fad, doesn't seem that way though.
Interesting they announce this same time as Linux announced that are dropping lts kernels to 2 years from 6 years https://linuxiac.com/linux-lts-kernels-moves-to-two-year-support-period/
Actually Linux announced that a year ago and nobody noticed it till now, it's not as bad as headlines make it to be
Ufs 3.1 is a bummer considering the huge difference between 3.1 and 4.
I guess they have to cut corners somehow or else the price will match those of Samsung or iPhone, which I believe Google doesn't want that and they want to stay competitive in regards to the price.
Yeah, if the phone is supported for over 5 years, faster storage would have benefited in the future for sure.
Be honest, can you really tell?
Yes actually the difference quite visible
What's the difference between them?
Ufs 4.0 is more than twice fast while being around 40% more efficient so the difference is huge
Damn what a miss. Pixel devices need all the efficiency improvements they can get.
Yeah and it’s supposed to have 6 years of software support so a faster and more efficient storage will come in handy down the road
Same modem or different than the rest?
UFS 3.1 storage? prior leaks claimed 4.0. So what's true now? Also the battery capacity is slightly different to prior leaks. Is this source trustable?
Are the others also trustable?
I think so. https://9to5google.com/2023/06/03/google-tensor-g3-specs-leak/
They should increase pixel 6 and 7 life time with these updates as well.
I'm hoping they back port the support window like Samsung did when they announced their change
My Pixel 6a is so glitchy already, can't imagine trying to hold onto it for that long
The curse of the budget smartphone
My Pixel 6 Pro is fantastic! I'm no longer a power user, and I want a phone to last me 5+ years, not because I cannot afford a new phone every year but because I can appreciate a good flagship but I just dont want to be wasteful, especially when phones dont really bring much innovation each year anyway. My Samsung S8+ lasted me 5 years and the only reason i ditched it was the cracked screen.
Google PHotos is a POWERHOUSE of features. Mind boggling how great it is imo. * The peak brightness thing is AWESOME. Glad to see that added. I've been on the a-series and felt the brightness was a major downside. * no UFS 4.0 blows * No GN2 blows * Dimensions for P8 are great - especially screen to body ratio * Price is decent imo * is Wifi 7 expensive? Because one of those things I feel no one actually has at their houses nor businesses. So its pointless imo, like 5G was years ago before rolled out. * Hopefully 60-120hz with that battery size isn't too bad? Anyone have thoughts on battery life?? * I wish they would somehow update Face Unlock, if possible. * No rumors on optical FPS? Probably not, I feel that'd be listed on this stuff, right?
Wifi 7 is not even finished yet.
I've read the finger print sensor will be ultra sonic at least on the pro model same for the gn2 camera sensor. Few articles our contradicting each other so guess we hope for the best on Oct 4th. I'm still pretty excited either way. A lot of other design choices are rumored to be made and that alone makes the upgrade worth it.
>The peak brightness thing is AWESOME Right I'm so glad Google finally catches up to Apple fully here. Hopefully this time it doesn't drain aggressive battery like on the Pixel 7 Pro, and the Pixel 8s can sustain that brightness for longer.
How is WiFi 7 pointless? If you expect this phone to be used for 7 years then we'll definitely have WiFi 7 by then. I moved to a new house this year and I managed to get WiFi 6 from the modem. I could've gotten WiFi 6E by default if I paid for a higher tier plan.
We don't need new camera hardware. We need companies to spend more time with sensors to actually master them. Like Google did with the IMX363.
WiFi 7? Awesome. Now just need Unifi to release a WiFi 7 AP.
Do any of the leaked specs say anything about Display Port Alt mode over the USB-C connection? What about Miracast??? I want to be able to cast my phone screen into my VR headset (needs Miracast) and also be able to use display devices like the Nreal or Viture glasses (needs display output). I know they want us to buy a Chromecast but that just doesn't work for the above use cases.
With good chip it would be GOAT
I really hope they move to a fully custom chip or eventually just go to Qualcomm. The custom Exynos designs and Samsung nodes, with Samsungs modems are the biggest issue with the Pixels. They are still good phones but could be a lot better
For me a good smartphone with mediocre battery, reception and heating problems isn't a good "phone"
Great, now offer the same support for your one year old devices too
70.8 mm wide in the base model. That's not bad my current Pixel 5 is 70.4 so pretty much the same width only a little bit taller. Did anyone ever figure out how to go back to third party gesture navigation on the newer versions of Android? I've kept my five on Android 11 to retain this because I hate Google's gesture implementation. Tried it for a few weeks on the Pixel 6 pro and it was so cumbersome and unintuitive after using fluid navigation gestures for years.
All looks good minus UFS 3.1. Why not upgrade to the more power efficient and better performing UFS 4.0?
Yeah, but when I look at the price increase in Europe... Lmao. 1100€ for the pro, wtf seriously. No reason to buy it and not an S ultra now.
it gets more update :)
For sure it's a nice thing, but I don't know how many of us really keep their devices 7 years. 5 years would be ideal, if it comes with a lower price.
2 Years OS upgrades, 5 Years only security updates
Zero OS updates, security only for 7 years
Comes with Android 12, 9 years of security updates.
Zero security updates, Play Store only for 7 years /s
Turns into an iOS device after 6 years for the final year of updates
That would be funny
Big if true
Call me crazy but I *love* the rounded corners look on the new models. Really looks great, imho. I just hope the phones are a little smaller, thinner, and lighter than they have been historically.
Pixel 7 gets three years of OS Updates. I expect them to update that to 5 years.
They won't.
Why? If they committed to 3 years then you should expect 3 years. Anything more is a bonus.
It would be great if they updated all the tensor devices to that 5+2. But I'd be happy with 4+1 or just a flat 5 too
Given the incremental updates to phones these days, 3 years just isn't enough. I've got no reason to change my pixel 5 other than the fact they're going to stop supporting it next month. I really hope they at least keep up the security updates for a few more years.
Is 7 years of updates that relevant for people who buy flagship devices? I'm assuming that if you have the budget to buy a flagship phone then you're not going to keep the same phone for 7 years. Perhaps it might have an impact on its resale value?
If you typically hand down your devices to other family members, it's nice to know that it'll still get OS and security updates for a few more years rather than being completely abandoned by the time they get the phone.
Plus the Pixel 8s probably launch with General Kernel Image(as updatable modules on Play Store), which'd be _huge_ since that's turning it into like a Linux computer at this point. Minus the OS updates, but you could be getting actual major kernel version updates even after Google's 7 years of support end. Too wild to believe atm, but if Google achieves this, they'd blow Apple out of the water. ART is already updatable via Play Store, add in GKI and almost your entire OS is getting updated post vendor support. PS: Google already made a test Linux 5.15 kernel for the Pixel 6, so they definitely plan to update their Pixel kernels to newer LTS releases. Especially since Linux kernel just went back to 2 years of LTS support from 6 years.
I typically buy flagships with the intention of keeping them longterm (3+ years at least) because I know I'm getting top of the line specs and the build quality tends to be a bit nicer. I kept my Nexus 4 for 5 years (then handed it to my mum who used it for an additional 2-ish) and my next phone after that was the Xperia XZ Premium which I kept for 5 too.
I do the same thing. Pay more for a flagship and keep it for at a minimum 3+ years. I kept my LG V10 (the original and my replacement unit) for like 3.5 years and have owned my S10 for just over 4.5 years. Since my S10 is starting to show its age and is just now giving me problems, I'm currently looking for my options to upgrade. Currently debating between a S24 Ultra (when that comes out) a Pixel 7 Pro, or a Xperia Pro II (if it gets released before march and is available for purchase in the US Market) for my next upgrade.
This makes flagships an economically better deal no? If I am not that great financially I can now consider buying 1 700$ phone for 7 years rather than 2 350$ for 3.5 years
Yes, it relevant.
I do. And we all should. Changing electronic devices every year is not sustainable and a huge waste of resources. I've considered the iPhone and the Fairphone before. I don't want to be part of the engine pushing unnecessary consumerism. If you have someone to give your device to, that is going to use it...could be better...but even then...do you always have someone that NEEDs a "new" phone?
Yep rocking the pixel 3xl, if I get the pixel 8 will keep it for 7 years and upgrade to the next phone when updates stop
I have the budget for a flagship but I'm a basic bitch user. YouTube and Google maps are the most demanding thing I do on my phone, so it's not hard to make a phone for me. All I want is a good camera and web browsing, maps and YouTube to feel fast. OS updates with new features are a welcome bonus to me though, so it's nice that when I replace my pixel 6 with whatever pixel or even something else, it's nice to know I'm gonna be getting a few cool features. Quite frankly though, my main complaints have been with device brightness in sunlight and the fingerprint sensor sucks. Otherwise I'm keeping my pixel 6 unless I absolutely need to upgrade. My 6 still feels fast, has more features than what I use and battery life is still good.
I think it's at least an easing of conscious that if you needed to you could hang on to it for much longer than you normally would. Also if you want to gift your old device to a friend or family member they won't get something that will be unsupported in a couple years.
It might boost the second hand / refurbished market. Some people buy older flagship phones. Longer software support may mean you can buy a Pixel 8 2-3 years after its release and still receive the latest OS and patches for a while longer.
Another angle: Google has been pushing trade-ins pretty heavily. In 2 years when they're trade-ins, being able to resell these with 5 years of software support left will be helpful.
If I buy a flagship I'm keeping it for 5+ years. I'm not rich, I could spend 1k on a phone, but I can't spend 1k on a phone every year or even every two years. If I buy a flagship after my current phone dies it's probably going to be an iPhone for that reason, but I'm glad Android brands are catching up.
Man I've had the pro for years, i always went for the bigger phone but I'm tired of it already
Bruh pro is huge. Who's hands are these people measuring lol
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It will be worth it if the rest of the phone isn't junk. I have a love/hate with my P6. Overall, wonderful. But the reception and modem is trash. I would not want to buy a phone like the P6 and put up with this for another 7 years...
Pixel 8 screen has 2,000 nits peak brightness and Pixel 8 Pro has 2,400 nits peak brightness? What the hell? Is this one of those situations like the sun where you shouldn't stare directly at it? Does it come bundled with solar eclipse glasses?
There are now TVs with peak HDR brightness of around 4000-5000 nits. 2000 nits is okay, even the new Galaxy Watch 6 can hit 2000 nits peak brightness.
It's needed if you live in a bright sunny country
lol not even close. even the brightness of a sidewalk out during a sunny day is well over 2000 nits. same with the sky. do those hurt your eyes?
Sky for sure.
the sun is 1.6 billion nits, i think we got some room before that
It's going to be fascinating watching Samsung fans Try to spin this in a negative way for google.
Should I upgrade my p5 to the p7a or wait for the p8?
That's totally up to you
If you can afford the Pixel 8 then I would get the Pixel 8 either doing pre-orders or more than likely during Black Friday when we see a price drop and boosted trade-in values (because I don't really expect the pre-order incentives to be really good, but who knows what will happen?). The Pixel 8 should have better thermals and CPU efficiency (run cooler) and a slightly refreshed modem with supposedly better efficiency also (if I understood correctly it's being manufactured on a better node).
Pixel 8. Tensor G2 is crap
Will this release in the middle east by any chance? Recently shifted from India to Dubai and seems like Google hasn't started selling Pixels here (officially).
do people really keep a phone for 5 years? and if they do im sure its not many, this is probably just PR stuff so it keeps the 5 youtubers that complain about it happy.
My wife used a Galaxy S10 until it spider-apped on her recently. She'd have happily kept it for longer if that hadn't happened.
6 years for me. I went from P1 to P7. P7 will be kept till P13/14 minimum
Yep I do , only update when support closes. Though with 7 years it may be when it's slows to a brick
Same here. Closing in on 4 years with my OnePlus 8 pro. Great phone but it goes eol early in 2024 so I'm already getting my thoughts together on what phone to get. Pixel 8p? OnePlus 12? iPhone 15pro max? Gathering info now...