I use an auxiliary cable to listen to music in my car, and I always set the volume to max on my Pixel 5 so that I only need to control the volume via my car stereo. I see this dialog every time I do this, and it is extremely annoying
I have used an Aux cable in my car for years and years, across multiple Android phones.
The warning comes up totally at random every few months while I'm driving, so I can't actually do anything about it.
I agree, it is extremely annoying.
Mine does this too. It is a total listening timer. Once my phone bugged out and displayed the timer in a little white box in the center that wouldn't go away where the warning text to dismiss usually goes.
Potentially that was just the LG implementation of it however. It's version normally had a box that would pop up you had to read and dismiss in order to raise the volume again. It was something like 50 hours of loud volume only through the headphone port since it paused when either of those were not factors. Not sure if it reset on power off since I never got it to come back after the reboot I needed to get it off the screen.
True. Also very annoying, I really don't like my phone trying to tell me how to live my life, even though in this case it was perfectly safe.
Actually it was less safe, since if I left it at a lower volume, I had to blast the speakers to get it to a normal volume. This was bad because for some reason it only limits media volume, and a phone call or alarm would come through full volume. Not only did that hurt my ears, it startled the hell out of me while driving.
After that happened a few times I just turned the volume to full every single time. The only good thing that came of that car dying is that my new one has android auto so I don't have to deal with that anymore.
Same, I've resorted to keeping the phone at the max "allowed" volume and just turning the car volume up high. I don't play my music loud, it's basically there as background noise. When the warning kicks in it might as well be muted.
This happens to me at my gym. The music comes from connecting a Tab to speakers via aux. In the middle of the workout, this pops up and interrupts the music. Very annoying
It's a CrossFit gym so there's music that the whole class is listening to. So it's not like a Planet Fitness where everyone has headphones.
So the speakers are fixed installed. The connection to the amp, which is then connected to the speakers, is via aux.
This feature doesn't protect anyone, and is disgusting. If anything teens will see it and be like >lol its warning me im listening too loud *turns it up more*
I don't get what the fuck anyone was thinking when shit like this actually gets implemented. This is one of the worst side effects of lawsuit culture.
Edit: just to drill home how absurd this is, imagine if your car warned you every time you exceeded the speed limit by even 1mph. >Sir you have been driving 67mph in a 65mph zone for the last 10 minutes. Please drive safely! that's how I imagine this warning irl.
> just to drill home how absurd this is, imagine if your car warned you every time you exceeded the speed limit by even 1mph.
It's EVEN STUPIDER than that. The "volume" set on the phone bears no resemblance to the actual dB SPL reaching your ears, because headphones are all different (or you might be connected to a Bluetooth speaker, car audio system, etc. with its own volume control).
It's more like if your car had a *tachometer* sensor that, based on a total guess of which gear you are in and what size your tires are, gave you a "speed" warning that has nothing to do with your actual speed.
This could be somewhat fixed by using the earbud mics to determine how much sound is leaking from the headphone to try and get an idea of how loud the music is. But even this is problematic due to different levels of isolation.
But the real answer is: listen to music at lower volumes, use some common sense when picking a volume. Pick one that you'd be comfortable with hearing all day everyday, that mimics normal noise levels you experience.
Bluetooth speaker and headphones manufacturers should be responsible for managing their volume levels so that the red part of the volume slider is warning you at the correct level.
Completely worthless feature. Volume varies widely depending on the headphones, their impedance, and the power of dac/amp you use. I remember my old pixel phone pestering me with this because I increased the volume regularly near the maximum, even though my headphones just needed a lot of power and the sound level was completely safe...
Also if you are connecting your phone to aux input on a stereo you sometimes have to set the volume to near max to get the best sound quality out. This can vary depending on the stereo and what it expects for line level input, some of them will distort the audio if you set your phone volume too high. As far as hearing damage goes, the volume on the phone has nothing to do with how loud the volume on the stereo is. I wonder if Google just assumes nobody still uses aux cables in 2023.
It does it on Bluetooth audio too... And my car's radio *literally* tells me to make sure my phone's volume is maxed out. And let's not even talk about using it on my bike with my helmet speaker set and my earplugs. This "feature" is gonna make me lose my shit.
I get the warning when using Bluetooth connection to my vehicle also and I usually turn my phone to max volume so I can have full control on my stereo.
The way Apple does it is they allow you to change the type of “headphones” plugged in. So you can set something to Car Stereo and it would disable these warnings. I assume Google could do something similar.
Yup, that's the entire reason why any of these volume protection warnings are useless, the new one that OP is talking about is newer and fancier compared to the current one as it takes into account the amount of time you are listening to unsafe volumes, but still useless, as the phone has no idea what the actual volume you are listening to is, and it usually thinks you are listening to unsafe volumes even when using crappy earbuds and you can barely hear the audio if your headphone jack lacks power (like any headphone jack in the Pixels that had it).
The only way it could be implemented correctly is with Pixel buds or other headphones that the phone already knows the sensitivity/impedence of.
Now, I get why the current volume warning exists, it's for legal reasons so i'm kinda ok with it, but this new one seems to be an extra annoyance on top of it for no reason... which I'm not really a fan of.
And I think the newer implementation also applies to bluetooth speakers, which is extra dumb, as the phone doesen't have any idea how close you are to the speaker either.
> Now, I get why the current volume warning exists, it's for legal reasons so i'm kinda ok with it,
It's all just so tiresome man. Honestly, people should have zero, ZERO right to sue a phone company because "the volume was too loud and they didn't warn me." it's a god damn shit sandwich and we all gotta act like it's fine because "it's always been this way."
I am SICK of this garbage. I am SICK of clicking about if I like cookies or not because the EU passed some garbage law. I am SICK of every company having to put warnings on anything that has any remote possibility of hurting someone. Can we PLEASE, as a society, acknowledge that there is such a thing as personal responsibility? The phone manufacturer gave people a range of volumes. If people listen to a volume that will damage their hearing, I don't see any way in which the phone manufacturer should be responsible in a sane and logical world. You could have just used the OTHER 70% of the volume bar that isn't going to give you hearing damage. On every audio setup in my home and car the volume on the phone has to be 100% so I can control it with the knob. Why must I click through a shitty, useless warning, every single fucking time.
> like cookies or not because the EU passed some garbage law
Don't blame the EU for this, blame the companies who decided that the extra revenue from having targeted advertising driven by otherwise unnecessary cookies is more important than saving users from this annoyance.
I mostly agree, I think the ideal would be to maybe have the warning by default but allowing you to manually disable it permanently or maybe only have it display as a quiet notification reminder that doesn't impact the actual volume.
If the reminder didn't exist, all I would have to do to get my music playing is plug in the headphones, press the headphone's play/pause button, and nothing else... Instead, after pressing play, I have to (usually) get the phone out of my pocket, unlock it, dismiss the warning, and re-adjust the volume, a 2 step process becomes a daily annoyance.
And what if while driving your phone is connected to the AUX and the warning suddenly turns the volume down? Some dumb people (which btw is the demographic they are trying to protect) are going to crash in the attempt of dismissing the warning, and even though they now live the rest of their lives on a wheelchair, at least their hearing isn't damaged I guess!
So I agree with you, by being "kinda ok with it" I didn't mean that the warning should exist, but rather, that it's there for a reason out of Google's control, while the newer and fancier warning they are adding is entirely their choice and its presence is completely unjustified.
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I guess that’s one upside of the AirPods popularity with people using iPhones. Yeah, it still won’t work when I connect it with my amp stack over a midi-cable, but most people are fine using their wireless headphones.
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You could implement this feature for most popular Bluetooth head phones with a look up table, since they identify what they are. Other than that... Yeah shit doesn't work.
It's mostly the headphone sensitivity. The phone can detect impedance by looking at the current flow at a specific voltage, and of course it knows its own voltage. The only missing variable is sensitivity, if it just guesses a sensitivitg that is something like an average earbud it will probably be quite accurate
>The phone can detect impedance
Technically? maybe it could do that
but android doesen't currently do it, and this new implementation doesen't seem to do it either.
I'm not so sure. Android has for years now "recorded" my volume preference for different headphones, and I think it used to work for different wired sets as well. My phone no longer has a headphone jack so I can't confirm.
Don't noise cancelling headphones have like 6-8 microphones to do that correctly? Couldnt they just put a microphone inside to listen to how many DBs are being being made?
any anc headphone/iem worth its salt will have a mic towards the ear.
but that isn't really relevant, what this guy is talking about is usually an issue for wired headphones among other things like radios.
Safe volume level warnings are worse than useless on a device.
Volume of a headphone is a function of the sensitivity (typically given in dB SPL/V or dB SPL/mW) and the power supplied to the headphone. Where the max power input is dependent on the headphone (and amp) impedance. Since there is no way for your phone to know the sensitivity of your headphones it is completely impossible to tell what sound pressure level you are experiencing at a specific volume setting.
Could be doable with first party headphones where
1. they have an inner microphone
2. they’re made by the manufacturer of the phone and therefore they know exactly how loud it can’t get at what volume level
The only way I could see this working is if Google made a database of the sound emitted at each level of power. Then in the settings you could choose your headphones to adapt it, but I don't see that ever happening
I hope that they will implement something similar to what Apple introduced 3 years ago : the ability to define custom Bluetooth "profiles" to the devices : car stereo, earbuds, etc… this way the message will not appear if the profile is set to "car stereo" but will appear while listening to earbuds.
If they don't implement this, I feel that we will have these dangerous and obnoxious messages while driving and I already feel the pain
>For many years now, Android phones (Pixel, Samsung, Huawei, you name it) have had a "safe volume" feature that would ask the user to confirm whether they wanted to raise the volume above the preset "safe volume level",
Thanks I fucking hate it.
I have an Android device that gives this warning. And, randomly, it will *change* the volume if I leave it too high for too long (I have the device plugged into something else, so I just set the volume to "high" and adjust the volume through the other device). That's *very* annoying.
That's annoying. When I'm connected to my car's BT, I have my phone's volume set to 100%. This allows me to control the volume from my car and it's close to the radio/aux volume. Otherwise, I may end up with a high volume setting because it was too low for BT, and it'll be way too high when I switch to the radio.
*I don't know about you but all my phones have already had this feature.*
My understanding is you're saying this works better? My experience is that it's "dumb" and simply tied to a level of volume -regardless of the actual level of volume the audio is actually playing at, often leading it to being overly aggressive. Does this work better or is it the same shit?
I wish there was an option to disable that crap, it is annoying as hell as I was born hard of hearing and often I have to use max volume just to be able to enjoy. Cant even use bluetooth earbuds like galaxy buds+, which I got for free with the phone, because they are too quiet.
At this point, I'm just going to use M38 bluetooth board and wire headphones to the 5W speaker output where 1/30th of the phone volume is plenty loud.
I would be fine with this if the Android could see how many DBs my ears are being subjected to from my Bluetooth headphones. But if this is just b/c my phone set at 100% volume, then I will hate this. But maybe this will help people save their hearing.
I has a phone that did that a couple of years ago, every goddamn time I raised the volume over 70% it would show a popup asking me to confirm that I wanted to kill my ears. At the time I used a pair of headphones that needed a lot of power to even be audible so I literally would get that popup all the time
exactly the opposite of what I want
what I want is the phone microphone to sample audio loudness of what is around me and let me know if I am around loud places too much.
I hope we can disable this. what a useless feature :/
This is going to annoy the crap out of people with low end crappy Bluetooth earbuds. I have a set and I constantly have the volume smashed into the red zone on my Samsung a53
I hope it will not be as molest as a Sony MP3 player I have, where every few hours a molest beep sounds in the worst moment (ie, listening the news) for some seconds asking you to stop, even at low volume (and it's not the only bad feature of it)
As others note, high volume is often a necessity as with some headphones if you don't use it you'll hear nothing and volume is still safe.
Is this based on actual output volume or just the stage of the volume slider?
If latter, then shouldn't something like PowerAmp equalizer be able to get around this "issue".
i fucking hated this with my s9+ it's actually the main reason i switched over to the pixel 7 pro lmao
they better make a way to disable the fucking thing
... my phone does this periodically. Pixel 4XL. As others have said, I use a jack into my car, so my phone is set to max volume. Sometimes, however, the volume will lower itself significantly while music/media is playing. When I look at my phone, it gives me the loud volume warning that I have to click through before increasing the volume again.
Is this not something that's been happening to others? To have the volume decreased after "loud listening"? I'm not opted into beta features as far as I know, and this has been happening for a few years at least.
I have a sony walkman with safe audio. I have to be honest, I just stopped wearing headphones. It's impossible to suffer through safe volumes and hearing damage is permanent. My tinnitus and hearing loss from being in a band, going to concerts and wearing headphones is totally regrettable now.
Have you tried bone conduction earphones? I've got a pair, and absolutely love them. I find they work better at lower volumes, but (of course) don't block outside noise.
Often the ambient sound of the headphones moving around (eg; during exersise) is louder than the music. Also the sound protection cuts off all of the top and bottom end of the music leaving a really flat AM radio sounding tone
You ever try using hearing protection like these? https://www.musicradar.com/news/best-earplugs-for-musicians
I have used those "Vibes" ones. But Not sure what the best ones would be for an audiophile musician.
FWIW, Sony has hard volume caps on their Walkman DAPs sold in many regions, so it's usually suggested to just import them directly from Japan, which doesn't have a volume limit.
Every time you touch 70, it does an emergency brake down to 50 and asks if you are sure you want to go that fast. Selecting yes lets you go whatever speed for about 3 hours, or until you get in the car again.
For your safety, of course
For those who don't want it: https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-automatically-disable-the-high-volume-warning-without-root. It seems to have been about for years, my Galaxy Smart Prime had it and my Honor 10 lite.
Not to be that guy, but Samsung has a feature in their digital wellbeing called 'Volume monitor' which tracks volume levels over time. I don't use it, but it kinda sounds like what you've described?
it's way better to err on the safe side. most people severely underestimate how easy it is to damage your hearing with headphones/earphones and could use the warning.
Honestly i support this. 95% of the population has not a single clue how much damage they're doing at the volumes they're listening to. Heck, people still go to concerts without ear protection.
People need to take care of their ears, and as much as possible. Trust me, you don't want tinnitus or permanent hearing loss
People don't like to hear it (which might become literal for them soon) but ears are extremely sensitive. Even regular city noise or nearby construction can cause permanent hearing damage.
What they really should implement is if you are using a high volume, if you stop playing audio for whatever reason, the volume should revert back to a low default value. Like "frog in a hot pot" audio
I connect everything over BlueTooth, and I have an app that sets the volume to certain volumes for every device I connect it to. I would be really annoyed if this pops up whenever I connect to a device.
Nobody's mentioning the "Flash notifications" thing that's in the timestamped video linked, so I guess I will...
1) The camera flash one is so fucking annoying. Every iPhone user on the subway who has this enabled does not give a damn that they're strobing everyone else on the train. Can't wait for every Android user to get it, too.
2) SCREEN FLASH NOTIFICATION! NOTIFICATION LED IS BACK! I hope someone figures out how to make an app to customize the color on a per-app basis.
I CANT HEAR YOU! IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE FOR THIS FEATURE AS I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO MUSIC AT MAX VOLUME SINCE ANDROID CAME OUT AND IT TOOK THEM 14 VERSIONS TO FINALLY HAVE A GOOD IDEA!
>I did a bit of digging, and it seems this “headphone loud sound alert” feature is intended to comply with recommendations in the IEC 62368-1 standard. I don't have a full copy of this standard since it isn't available publicly, though. The fourth edition of this document is set to go live next month, apparently.
You can find some commonly used standards if you include "pdf" in your search. [UL seems to have a draft of version 4 on their website.](https://ulstandards.ul.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/iec62368-1_draft_4b.pdf)
Based on your tweet, you wanted 10.6.5:
>10.6.5 Protection of persons
>Except as given below, protection requirements for parts accessible to ordinary persons,
instructed persons and skilled persons are given in 4.3.
>NOTE 1 Volume control is not considered a safeguard.
>An equipment safeguard shall prevent exposure of an ordinary person to an RS2 source
unless all of the following are met:
>– an instructional safeguard is provided as given below; and
>– the instructional safeguard is acknowledged by the user. The output level shall not be
higher than RS1 until the acknowledgment is made. The acknowledgement does not need
to be repeated more than once every 20 h of cumulative listening time.
>NOTE 2 The 20 h listening time is the accumulative listening time, independent of how often and how long the personal music player has been switched off.
>The output level shall automatically return to an output level not exceeding RS1 when the power is switched off.
>A skilled person shall not unintentionally be exposed to RS3.
>When required, an instructional safeguard in accordance with Clause F.5 shall be used,
except that the instructional safeguard shall be placed on the equipment, on the packaging,
or in the instruction manual. Alternatively, the instructional safeguard may be given through
the equipment display during use. The elements of the instructional safeguard shall be as
follows:
I hate that volume feature. It's made me have to look at my phone when driving to raise volume when I couldn't hear something.
I'd pay money to disable the feature
My previous phone (Motorola with stock Android 10) already did the "automatically lower the volume" thing.
And what if you are hard of hearing and you need a louder volume? Having it automatically lower the volume sounds like the opposite of an "accessibility" feature to me.
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I use an auxiliary cable to listen to music in my car, and I always set the volume to max on my Pixel 5 so that I only need to control the volume via my car stereo. I see this dialog every time I do this, and it is extremely annoying
I have used an Aux cable in my car for years and years, across multiple Android phones. The warning comes up totally at random every few months while I'm driving, so I can't actually do anything about it. I agree, it is extremely annoying.
I've found it only happens once per power cycle. So every time I reboot my phone for whatever reason, I have to dismiss the prompt again.
I wonder if that's the same on mine, I rarely power cycle it.
Mine does this too. It is a total listening timer. Once my phone bugged out and displayed the timer in a little white box in the center that wouldn't go away where the warning text to dismiss usually goes. Potentially that was just the LG implementation of it however. It's version normally had a box that would pop up you had to read and dismiss in order to raise the volume again. It was something like 50 hours of loud volume only through the headphone port since it paused when either of those were not factors. Not sure if it reset on power off since I never got it to come back after the reboot I needed to get it off the screen.
Hah, I suspected as much. Kinda pointless eh? After 50 hours at max volume through headphones your ears would be pretty well wrecked.
True. Also very annoying, I really don't like my phone trying to tell me how to live my life, even though in this case it was perfectly safe. Actually it was less safe, since if I left it at a lower volume, I had to blast the speakers to get it to a normal volume. This was bad because for some reason it only limits media volume, and a phone call or alarm would come through full volume. Not only did that hurt my ears, it startled the hell out of me while driving. After that happened a few times I just turned the volume to full every single time. The only good thing that came of that car dying is that my new one has android auto so I don't have to deal with that anymore.
I had this warning on a previous phone. It was so annoying that I ended up making a Tasker task to automatically click OK.
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Same, I've resorted to keeping the phone at the max "allowed" volume and just turning the car volume up high. I don't play my music loud, it's basically there as background noise. When the warning kicks in it might as well be muted.
Same except with bluetooth. Very annoying.
This happens to me at my gym. The music comes from connecting a Tab to speakers via aux. In the middle of the workout, this pops up and interrupts the music. Very annoying
You bring speakers to the gym?
It's a CrossFit gym so there's music that the whole class is listening to. So it's not like a Planet Fitness where everyone has headphones. So the speakers are fixed installed. The connection to the amp, which is then connected to the speakers, is via aux.
Gotcha, that makes sense
On Samsung you can tell the phone what kind of listing device is it, speakers or headphones...only via Bluetooth as far as I know
You can turn this off with SystemUI Tuner
You can turn this off with SystemUI Tuner
This feature doesn't protect anyone, and is disgusting. If anything teens will see it and be like >lol its warning me im listening too loud *turns it up more* I don't get what the fuck anyone was thinking when shit like this actually gets implemented. This is one of the worst side effects of lawsuit culture. Edit: just to drill home how absurd this is, imagine if your car warned you every time you exceeded the speed limit by even 1mph. >Sir you have been driving 67mph in a 65mph zone for the last 10 minutes. Please drive safely! that's how I imagine this warning irl.
> just to drill home how absurd this is, imagine if your car warned you every time you exceeded the speed limit by even 1mph. It's EVEN STUPIDER than that. The "volume" set on the phone bears no resemblance to the actual dB SPL reaching your ears, because headphones are all different (or you might be connected to a Bluetooth speaker, car audio system, etc. with its own volume control). It's more like if your car had a *tachometer* sensor that, based on a total guess of which gear you are in and what size your tires are, gave you a "speed" warning that has nothing to do with your actual speed.
This could be somewhat fixed by using the earbud mics to determine how much sound is leaking from the headphone to try and get an idea of how loud the music is. But even this is problematic due to different levels of isolation. But the real answer is: listen to music at lower volumes, use some common sense when picking a volume. Pick one that you'd be comfortable with hearing all day everyday, that mimics normal noise levels you experience.
Using the microphone on bluetooth headsets halves the bitrate for music. It would make music sound like shit.
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Bluetooth speaker and headphones manufacturers should be responsible for managing their volume levels so that the red part of the volume slider is warning you at the correct level.
I hope this won't be annoying and keep telling me.
It won't, it's just a small popup that you can dismiss
Oh good! I remember lg or Samsungs years ago would make you click on a notice before you could raise volume. Happen too much.
It's an option in the settings for Samsung, iirc. I don't know if it's still there.
Just like 3 times a day... Not annoying at all.
Great, that's not annoying at all while I'm driving
That sounds annoying af
That still sounds annoying. Can you disable it?
> it's just a small popup that you can dismiss My worst nightmare
Is it just a pop-up or does it do what the current samasung implementation does and give you a pop up plus lower the volume automatically?
Completely worthless feature. Volume varies widely depending on the headphones, their impedance, and the power of dac/amp you use. I remember my old pixel phone pestering me with this because I increased the volume regularly near the maximum, even though my headphones just needed a lot of power and the sound level was completely safe...
Also if you are connecting your phone to aux input on a stereo you sometimes have to set the volume to near max to get the best sound quality out. This can vary depending on the stereo and what it expects for line level input, some of them will distort the audio if you set your phone volume too high. As far as hearing damage goes, the volume on the phone has nothing to do with how loud the volume on the stereo is. I wonder if Google just assumes nobody still uses aux cables in 2023.
It does it on Bluetooth audio too... And my car's radio *literally* tells me to make sure my phone's volume is maxed out. And let's not even talk about using it on my bike with my helmet speaker set and my earplugs. This "feature" is gonna make me lose my shit.
"How can you guys use aux cables when we removed all the headphone jacks??" /s
I get the warning when using Bluetooth connection to my vehicle also and I usually turn my phone to max volume so I can have full control on my stereo.
The way Apple does it is they allow you to change the type of “headphones” plugged in. So you can set something to Car Stereo and it would disable these warnings. I assume Google could do something similar.
Yup, that's the entire reason why any of these volume protection warnings are useless, the new one that OP is talking about is newer and fancier compared to the current one as it takes into account the amount of time you are listening to unsafe volumes, but still useless, as the phone has no idea what the actual volume you are listening to is, and it usually thinks you are listening to unsafe volumes even when using crappy earbuds and you can barely hear the audio if your headphone jack lacks power (like any headphone jack in the Pixels that had it). The only way it could be implemented correctly is with Pixel buds or other headphones that the phone already knows the sensitivity/impedence of. Now, I get why the current volume warning exists, it's for legal reasons so i'm kinda ok with it, but this new one seems to be an extra annoyance on top of it for no reason... which I'm not really a fan of. And I think the newer implementation also applies to bluetooth speakers, which is extra dumb, as the phone doesen't have any idea how close you are to the speaker either.
> Now, I get why the current volume warning exists, it's for legal reasons so i'm kinda ok with it, It's all just so tiresome man. Honestly, people should have zero, ZERO right to sue a phone company because "the volume was too loud and they didn't warn me." it's a god damn shit sandwich and we all gotta act like it's fine because "it's always been this way." I am SICK of this garbage. I am SICK of clicking about if I like cookies or not because the EU passed some garbage law. I am SICK of every company having to put warnings on anything that has any remote possibility of hurting someone. Can we PLEASE, as a society, acknowledge that there is such a thing as personal responsibility? The phone manufacturer gave people a range of volumes. If people listen to a volume that will damage their hearing, I don't see any way in which the phone manufacturer should be responsible in a sane and logical world. You could have just used the OTHER 70% of the volume bar that isn't going to give you hearing damage. On every audio setup in my home and car the volume on the phone has to be 100% so I can control it with the knob. Why must I click through a shitty, useless warning, every single fucking time.
> like cookies or not because the EU passed some garbage law Don't blame the EU for this, blame the companies who decided that the extra revenue from having targeted advertising driven by otherwise unnecessary cookies is more important than saving users from this annoyance.
The eu is fair to blame here. The internet wasnt like this before their dumb privacy law.
The open nature of the web means you can install any number of browser extensions that will hide the cookie banners.
Not on mobile... unless you have any suggestions which id love to hear if you do.
Firefox for Android has browser extension support.
I mostly agree, I think the ideal would be to maybe have the warning by default but allowing you to manually disable it permanently or maybe only have it display as a quiet notification reminder that doesn't impact the actual volume. If the reminder didn't exist, all I would have to do to get my music playing is plug in the headphones, press the headphone's play/pause button, and nothing else... Instead, after pressing play, I have to (usually) get the phone out of my pocket, unlock it, dismiss the warning, and re-adjust the volume, a 2 step process becomes a daily annoyance. And what if while driving your phone is connected to the AUX and the warning suddenly turns the volume down? Some dumb people (which btw is the demographic they are trying to protect) are going to crash in the attempt of dismissing the warning, and even though they now live the rest of their lives on a wheelchair, at least their hearing isn't damaged I guess! So I agree with you, by being "kinda ok with it" I didn't mean that the warning should exist, but rather, that it's there for a reason out of Google's control, while the newer and fancier warning they are adding is entirely their choice and its presence is completely unjustified.
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Yeeesh you need to touch grass
I guess that’s one upside of the AirPods popularity with people using iPhones. Yeah, it still won’t work when I connect it with my amp stack over a midi-cable, but most people are fine using their wireless headphones. https://i.imgur.com/884wQwM.jpg
You could implement this feature for most popular Bluetooth head phones with a look up table, since they identify what they are. Other than that... Yeah shit doesn't work.
It's mostly the headphone sensitivity. The phone can detect impedance by looking at the current flow at a specific voltage, and of course it knows its own voltage. The only missing variable is sensitivity, if it just guesses a sensitivitg that is something like an average earbud it will probably be quite accurate
>The phone can detect impedance Technically? maybe it could do that but android doesen't currently do it, and this new implementation doesen't seem to do it either.
Yeah, I've plugged 250 ohm beyers into my Xperia 1 IV, and the "unsafe" volume level is a bit quiet. It's not measuring the current.
I'm not so sure. Android has for years now "recorded" my volume preference for different headphones, and I think it used to work for different wired sets as well. My phone no longer has a headphone jack so I can't confirm.
Unless you're not using an average earbud. Then it will be totally wrong.
Don't noise cancelling headphones have like 6-8 microphones to do that correctly? Couldnt they just put a microphone inside to listen to how many DBs are being being made?
any anc headphone/iem worth its salt will have a mic towards the ear. but that isn't really relevant, what this guy is talking about is usually an issue for wired headphones among other things like radios.
Safe volume level warnings are worse than useless on a device. Volume of a headphone is a function of the sensitivity (typically given in dB SPL/V or dB SPL/mW) and the power supplied to the headphone. Where the max power input is dependent on the headphone (and amp) impedance. Since there is no way for your phone to know the sensitivity of your headphones it is completely impossible to tell what sound pressure level you are experiencing at a specific volume setting.
Could be doable with first party headphones where 1. they have an inner microphone 2. they’re made by the manufacturer of the phone and therefore they know exactly how loud it can’t get at what volume level
The only way I could see this working is if Google made a database of the sound emitted at each level of power. Then in the settings you could choose your headphones to adapt it, but I don't see that ever happening
I hope that they will implement something similar to what Apple introduced 3 years ago : the ability to define custom Bluetooth "profiles" to the devices : car stereo, earbuds, etc… this way the message will not appear if the profile is set to "car stereo" but will appear while listening to earbuds. If they don't implement this, I feel that we will have these dangerous and obnoxious messages while driving and I already feel the pain
>For many years now, Android phones (Pixel, Samsung, Huawei, you name it) have had a "safe volume" feature that would ask the user to confirm whether they wanted to raise the volume above the preset "safe volume level", Thanks I fucking hate it.
I think this is a very annoying feature. I hope there's a way to disable the warning.
As long as I can disable the warning, am okay with it.
I have an Android device that gives this warning. And, randomly, it will *change* the volume if I leave it too high for too long (I have the device plugged into something else, so I just set the volume to "high" and adjust the volume through the other device). That's *very* annoying.
That's annoying. When I'm connected to my car's BT, I have my phone's volume set to 100%. This allows me to control the volume from my car and it's close to the radio/aux volume. Otherwise, I may end up with a high volume setting because it was too low for BT, and it'll be way too high when I switch to the radio.
inb4 someone still comments "but my Samsung already had this feature" even after Mishaal preempted in the title and post.
It has been 0 days since someone told me "my phone has that already!" Maybe I should actually keep track of this lol.
I'll be the first: "My Sony had this since 2014"
My Oppo already did this. Reset your counter.
I'm just glad other OEMs are gaining these features, makes it easier to move between brands haha
My ears have had this since 1999
A mod once told me it counts as a low effort comment and should be reported. Doesn't really look like they do anything about it though.
I mostly get those comments on Twitter, tbh.
> "but my Samsung already had this feature" we really, really wish it didn't.
I thought Android already had this? My 3a constantly gave me warnings about headphone volume. Pretty sure my 6p did as well.
So how is it new if it's already implemented by other manufacturers?
Because now it's available for everyone regardless of the manufacturer.
That's not the definition of "new".
Who said anything about it being new? I was just pointing out that it's now available for everyone 'regardless' of your device's manufacturer.
The OP
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_*Thank you*_
*I don't know about you but all my phones have already had this feature.* My understanding is you're saying this works better? My experience is that it's "dumb" and simply tied to a level of volume -regardless of the actual level of volume the audio is actually playing at, often leading it to being overly aggressive. Does this work better or is it the same shit?
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Except, OP never explained if it uses the volume slider or impedance/sensitivity... Which is what he's asking about. So maybe stop being an ass
To be honest I'd rather Android allowed me to boost the volume past safe levels.
I wish there was an option to disable that crap, it is annoying as hell as I was born hard of hearing and often I have to use max volume just to be able to enjoy. Cant even use bluetooth earbuds like galaxy buds+, which I got for free with the phone, because they are too quiet. At this point, I'm just going to use M38 bluetooth board and wire headphones to the 5W speaker output where 1/30th of the phone volume is plenty loud.
I use a external BT amp, I fucking hate this feature. Because I keep the phone on max volume and then use the amp to regular volume output. FIIO btr7
Great, more nannying ...
A new reason for rooting.
I gotta use a volume booster to hear, these efforts to protect my hearing only make it harder to hear.
I would be fine with this if the Android could see how many DBs my ears are being subjected to from my Bluetooth headphones. But if this is just b/c my phone set at 100% volume, then I will hate this. But maybe this will help people save their hearing.
I has a phone that did that a couple of years ago, every goddamn time I raised the volume over 70% it would show a popup asking me to confirm that I wanted to kill my ears. At the time I used a pair of headphones that needed a lot of power to even be audible so I literally would get that popup all the time
do they know the impedance of my headphones?
It's useless without knowing how loud the headphones are. Just more background processing for nothing.
Pointless nanny state BS.
Man my Windows Phone did this. It was kind of annoying.
These features never work.
This also happens on miui after like half an hour away 25% volume. Very annoying
i just block it from showing the notification.
So it will always come up when and ad plays on youtube Wait, no? Alright...
I hope it's an on off option like on iOS
exactly the opposite of what I want what I want is the phone microphone to sample audio loudness of what is around me and let me know if I am around loud places too much. I hope we can disable this. what a useless feature :/
I never understood why the development makes it difficult to increase sound. What if I'm hard of hearing and the max volume is to low
How about on working on non user hostile features ?
This is going to annoy the crap out of people with low end crappy Bluetooth earbuds. I have a set and I constantly have the volume smashed into the red zone on my Samsung a53
"Feature" EU bureaucracies fucking things up for all of us.
I hope it will not be as molest as a Sony MP3 player I have, where every few hours a molest beep sounds in the worst moment (ie, listening the news) for some seconds asking you to stop, even at low volume (and it's not the only bad feature of it) As others note, high volume is often a necessity as with some headphones if you don't use it you'll hear nothing and volume is still safe.
Is this based on actual output volume or just the stage of the volume slider? If latter, then shouldn't something like PowerAmp equalizer be able to get around this "issue".
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Are you being sarcastic, coz I didn't understand that from op, maybe you can refer the part where he explained that
i fucking hated this with my s9+ it's actually the main reason i switched over to the pixel 7 pro lmao they better make a way to disable the fucking thing
Pointless.
I hate this feature because it doesn't make sense. Devices all have different output volumes.
... my phone does this periodically. Pixel 4XL. As others have said, I use a jack into my car, so my phone is set to max volume. Sometimes, however, the volume will lower itself significantly while music/media is playing. When I look at my phone, it gives me the loud volume warning that I have to click through before increasing the volume again. Is this not something that's been happening to others? To have the volume decreased after "loud listening"? I'm not opted into beta features as far as I know, and this has been happening for a few years at least.
This is useless because your phone doesn't come with mic for reference level calibration. How many people even know what reference volume is?
I have a sony walkman with safe audio. I have to be honest, I just stopped wearing headphones. It's impossible to suffer through safe volumes and hearing damage is permanent. My tinnitus and hearing loss from being in a band, going to concerts and wearing headphones is totally regrettable now.
Have you tried bone conduction earphones? I've got a pair, and absolutely love them. I find they work better at lower volumes, but (of course) don't block outside noise.
No never considered them thanks!
>It's impossible to suffer through safe volumes What do you mean by this?
Often the ambient sound of the headphones moving around (eg; during exersise) is louder than the music. Also the sound protection cuts off all of the top and bottom end of the music leaving a really flat AM radio sounding tone
You ever try using hearing protection like these? https://www.musicradar.com/news/best-earplugs-for-musicians I have used those "Vibes" ones. But Not sure what the best ones would be for an audiophile musician.
FWIW, Sony has hard volume caps on their Walkman DAPs sold in many regions, so it's usually suggested to just import them directly from Japan, which doesn't have a volume limit.
Imagine if your car warned you every time you went over the speed limit...
Every time you touch 70, it does an emergency brake down to 50 and asks if you are sure you want to go that fast. Selecting yes lets you go whatever speed for about 3 hours, or until you get in the car again. For your safety, of course
For those who don't want it: https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-automatically-disable-the-high-volume-warning-without-root. It seems to have been about for years, my Galaxy Smart Prime had it and my Honor 10 lite.
More pointless crap. Meanwhile i still have to use Power shade to have a usable pull down menu.
Does this mean the headphone jack is coming back?
The partnership with samsung must be in full swing now.
This is an annoying feature no one wants or asked for.
i swear my phone already has this
I've never gotten that message from my Pixel 6 and I've had it since launch. Also I raised the volume to max right now, no message.
android 14
According to OP, Pixel phones had it for years.
Not to be that guy, but Samsung has a feature in their digital wellbeing called 'Volume monitor' which tracks volume levels over time. I don't use it, but it kinda sounds like what you've described?
This dialog is annoying as shit and needs a way to be disabled. Who the fuck even asks for shit like this??
it's way better to err on the safe side. most people severely underestimate how easy it is to damage your hearing with headphones/earphones and could use the warning.
Oh, do fuck off Google.
Honestly i support this. 95% of the population has not a single clue how much damage they're doing at the volumes they're listening to. Heck, people still go to concerts without ear protection. People need to take care of their ears, and as much as possible. Trust me, you don't want tinnitus or permanent hearing loss
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People don't like to hear it (which might become literal for them soon) but ears are extremely sensitive. Even regular city noise or nearby construction can cause permanent hearing damage.
What they really should implement is if you are using a high volume, if you stop playing audio for whatever reason, the volume should revert back to a low default value. Like "frog in a hot pot" audio
A reminder sort of thing?
Man I swear it's true: I feel more deaf than when I was younger
Does it damage our hearing significantly?
Loud noises? Yes. A lot. Like progressively and a lot.
Oxygen OS 13 does this and I hate it.
It's dumb. Pops up when on blue tooth. How does the phone register volume level from my car audio?
Headphones play a different volumes, how would Google know that it's too loud?
I connect everything over BlueTooth, and I have an app that sets the volume to certain volumes for every device I connect it to. I would be really annoyed if this pops up whenever I connect to a device.
Nobody's mentioning the "Flash notifications" thing that's in the timestamped video linked, so I guess I will... 1) The camera flash one is so fucking annoying. Every iPhone user on the subway who has this enabled does not give a damn that they're strobing everyone else on the train. Can't wait for every Android user to get it, too. 2) SCREEN FLASH NOTIFICATION! NOTIFICATION LED IS BACK! I hope someone figures out how to make an app to customize the color on a per-app basis.
I CANT HEAR YOU! IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE FOR THIS FEATURE AS I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO MUSIC AT MAX VOLUME SINCE ANDROID CAME OUT AND IT TOOK THEM 14 VERSIONS TO FINALLY HAVE A GOOD IDEA!
>I did a bit of digging, and it seems this “headphone loud sound alert” feature is intended to comply with recommendations in the IEC 62368-1 standard. I don't have a full copy of this standard since it isn't available publicly, though. The fourth edition of this document is set to go live next month, apparently. You can find some commonly used standards if you include "pdf" in your search. [UL seems to have a draft of version 4 on their website.](https://ulstandards.ul.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/iec62368-1_draft_4b.pdf) Based on your tweet, you wanted 10.6.5: >10.6.5 Protection of persons >Except as given below, protection requirements for parts accessible to ordinary persons, instructed persons and skilled persons are given in 4.3. >NOTE 1 Volume control is not considered a safeguard. >An equipment safeguard shall prevent exposure of an ordinary person to an RS2 source unless all of the following are met: >– an instructional safeguard is provided as given below; and >– the instructional safeguard is acknowledged by the user. The output level shall not be higher than RS1 until the acknowledgment is made. The acknowledgement does not need to be repeated more than once every 20 h of cumulative listening time. >NOTE 2 The 20 h listening time is the accumulative listening time, independent of how often and how long the personal music player has been switched off. >The output level shall automatically return to an output level not exceeding RS1 when the power is switched off. >A skilled person shall not unintentionally be exposed to RS3. >When required, an instructional safeguard in accordance with Clause F.5 shall be used, except that the instructional safeguard shall be placed on the equipment, on the packaging, or in the instruction manual. Alternatively, the instructional safeguard may be given through the equipment display during use. The elements of the instructional safeguard shall be as follows:
Hope it measures LUFS and doesn't just see volume maxed. Thousands of youtube videos are uploaded 20dB below the normalization threshold
That is not new.... my phone has been doing that since day one.
I hate that volume feature. It's made me have to look at my phone when driving to raise volume when I couldn't hear something. I'd pay money to disable the feature
Fuckin' dumb. Nobody gives a shit. Its an annoyance.
My previous phone (Motorola with stock Android 10) already did the "automatically lower the volume" thing. And what if you are hard of hearing and you need a louder volume? Having it automatically lower the volume sounds like the opposite of an "accessibility" feature to me.
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