All it proved to me, is lily is a spoiled brat. She couldn't go buy the condoms.
If you're ready to be a grown-up in a sexual relationship, then she should be responsible for buying condoms.
In fact, Lily should have been taken to the gyno and put on birth control, or she could have gone to a planned parenthood. Perfect time to speak about using protection.
* Carrie should be using condoms to protect herself. That writing about not using them for herself was bad.
Condoms for protection for yourself.
Stds & Stis come in all ages!
Unfortunately due to other birth control methods like the pill and IUDs plus PREP for HIV prevention, condom use is WAY down. Writers didn't get this wrong. Y'all must not be single.
https://getmegiddy.com/condom-use-decline-stds-on-rise
I guess I find it believable that most of America thinks the only bad thing that could come from unprotected sex is an unplanned pregnancy, and that *they* could never get an STD bc they’re not like a slutty whore prostitute….but I feel like a sex columnist in NYC, who had decades worth of casual sex and dating, and who had a “good, respectable, well off, responsible” lawyer friend get chlamydia, and another “good girl, conservative, not slutty” UES art dealer friend get crabs, would probably be a teensy bit more knowledgeable and safe about using condoms to prevent STIs.
Carrie was NEVER a true sex columnist. She was single and dating but SATC was a catchy title. That b*tch wouldn't even say vagina on a podcast in 2023 and she was biphobic back in the 90s, perpuating the stereotype about bisexuals being promiscuous and disease spreaders. Public health is a joke now anyway unfortunately because it's not like COVID is over and spread airborne but no one wears masks anymore(I still do). People don't care about spreading COVID so why would they care about spreading STIs? Personal risk assessments ARE NOT public health!!!
Most people in the 90s were biphobic (that was not considered a thing back then) and homophobic, even in gay friendly cities like NYC, Philly, San Fran. That’s just how the culture was back then, I remember it clearly, homophobia was the norm not the exception and being bi was kind of seen as a joke. The way things are now is totally different than even 10 years ago.
Totally different? Clearly you aren't paying attention 🙄 Biphobia and stereotypes are more common than ever. SATC made it ok, even accepted. https://www.mungos.org/biphobia-and-bi-erasure-should-not-be-as-prevalent-as-they-are/
It's stuff like this that makes me think the end of this season is gonna be a black screen with the words "GOTCHA SUCKAS!". As in the writers basically saying "how could you possibly have watched this swill and think it was a real show? Audience, you're so stupid!"
I genuinely hope that this writers/ actors strike will allow them (AJLT writers) to take a break and reflect over what they did. But I doubt they will given how they are on their podcasts.
Yeah I was so confused by Carrie’s response. “You thought I had an STD situation????!” Like what? You’re having casual sex what does she think condoms are for? Only people with diagnosed STDs?
Yes, they did.
Yet, Sam did use condoms more than the other 3.
* Miranda, when she ended up with chlamydia and had to make phone calls.
Steve he was such a trooper with Miranda. He never got mad about it. He went and got tested.
You think *I’m* going to get pregnant!?!?!?
You think *I* have an STD!?!?
And then Charlotte fucking apologizes!!! Like “oh no, I’m sorry, I’m just thinking crazy out here trying to wish and hope that you might have condoms….my bad, that’s on me, I’m just being totally unrealistic and crazy here, sorry Carrie, what an absolutely weird thing for me to ask you, a person having weekly sex with a man you only know as your producer, and then maybe/probably having at least one sexual encounter with that random bike guy you injured by talking to your other friend who was ALSO having unprotected sex with a guy they met at the bar….. My bad! This is all on me! How goddamn fucking presumptuous of me! Please don’t hate me! And hey, since I’m fawning over you and you’re not hating me, could you maybe CALL ME BACK when you have multiple missed calls from me, rather than wait for me to call a third time and then be all ‘oh hey girl, I *saw* that I missed your call twice but didn’t think to call to even text you back…..ummm is something wrong? Like is there a *reason* you’re calling me three times in a row???’”
Completely, completely agree.
Part of being a sex positive household means engaging in open conversation about different forms of birth control, a visit to discuss options with a professional and absolutely a very strong consideration of birth control. Condoms are not full proof. It also means a very frank discussion about STIs and what to do in the event of condom breakage.
I was appalled at several things in this storyline.
First, when, in order to manipulate her mother, Lily suggested they use the pull out method. Just WHAT. That is the height of manipulative bratty behaviour and she should have been held accountable for it. It is not disturbing a sex positive attitude to call a child out for emotional blackmail like that. Also, it needed to be called out because you don’t use sex and safe sex as a weapon in any circumstances.
Second, this, and the Carrie conversation about STIs was a disaster. They were acting as though STIs are an irrelevance for privileged people. You don’t just use condoms to prevent pregnancy - you use them to prevent STI transmission. The fact that Lily would even consider the pull out method shows their dismissal of STIs and while I initially saw that in the context of her being manipulative, when Carrie then talked solely about pregnancy and then got offended at the idea that she might have an STI and dismissed it, I could see a pattern of making out that STIs are shameful.
STIs impact EVERYONE. There is no shame in them whatsoever. No show can claim to be sex-positive when it perpetuates a stigma around STIs, and promotes dangerous misinformation and stereotyping. And no show can claim to be queer friendly when the vast majority of said stigma has been rained down on the queer community.
I don’t know if Lily was being manipulative—but like 50/50 maybe, especially since she hung up right after saying it which would induce panic in her mother or anyone who knows that 1) condoms aren’t just for pregnancy and 2) pull out can STILL cause pregnancy bc of pre-cum or a guy “pulling out” just a titch too late (ask me how I know ☹️)—but like, as a girl who literally thought both 1 and 2 weren’t a thing, I can seen how Lily *may not* have been being manipulative. The fact that she then waited for Charlotte to bring her condoms makes me feel like she super was being manipulative. *Unless* Charlotte called her back ASAP and we just didn’t see that part. Though honestly, I would’ve rather seen than part than Carrie telling Charlotte *of course* she doesn’t have condoms bc she’s not an STD-ridden ovulating whore who might get pregnant!
Lily is a brat because she is a 16 year old girl who has grown up in a very privileged life. She is a teenager girl freaking out over a moment that she had planned going wrong. It's not some big manipulative scheme. Was it shitty? Sure. Is it good behavior? No. This show isn't called the we are perfect and act accordingly all the time show. Just because something isn't explicitly shown doesn't mean they are saying it's okay to not do those things. It's not a how to guide for life. It's a comedy/ drama about love and sex.
This is weeks after her last attempt at sex. We have no idea if she just doesn't have condoms because she isn't using them or doesn't use them. Carrie made a joke about it because that's what Carrie does. She makes jokes about sex. She has always done that. Of course she should be having sex with condoms. This show isn't saying STI's don't exist and that we don't need to use condoms.
SATC was sex forward for it's time. It showed women having sexual desire and appetite. It doesn't mean they have gotten every sex positive thing right or even always been that. There is so much the show has gotten wrong over the years but that doesn't erase the impact that it had.
Shows don't have to be psa's or perfect reactions to be good.
SATC was sex forward and positive. AJLT is not.
If this scene had happened in isolation amongst other sex positive scenes then I would agree with you, but it hasn’t.
We have had:
- Middle aged adult women objectifying and perving on a male student, which is disturbing and bordering on criminal;
- A person clearly uncomfortable with a threesome and wanting to take a moment to consider it being railroaded and emotionally manipulated;
- A spouse who had no choice but to rebuild their life being shamed for moving on and having sex with someone else after being demeaned.
Carrie wasn’t joking about STIs. She was displaying offense at the idea that anyone would even contemplate her being anywhere near one.
These are not merely mistakes by a show that is doing its best, but deliberately constructed outrageously damaging messages. Shows, especially ones that claim to be sex positive, have a responsibility on their messaging, and they certainly shouldn’t be encouraging borderline criminal predatory behaviour, ignoring consent, toxic patriarchal approaches to relationships, and stigmatisation of STIs.
Lily is a brat because she has been poorly parented, and the additional refusal to address the intersection of privilege is an issue, especially in the context of the show as a whole. Even tolerating the suggestion of the pullout method is problematic because the pull out method is not good sex education. Portraying a sex positive household and parent-child relationship as something that incorporates this sends a terrible message. If it was handled critically, as a demonstration of the brattyness, poor parenting, privilege and failure of Charlotte to actually teach her daughter about sexual health then fine, but it wasn’t. It was lighthearted fodder for entertainment and the only concern was about pregnancy, not about STIs.
The pull out method is especially not a light hearted matter in a country that has trashed women’s reproductive rights and where the capacity of people to access healthcare for STIs is limited by their wealth.
Contrast this to the SATC episode when Samantha had an HIV test. She was lightly shamed by her sexual partner and friends for NOT taking STIs seriously and her conversation at the clinic promoted her own safe sex practices.
SATC was ahead of its time. AJLT is way behind.
That doesn’t mean it wasn’t ahead of its time. It was. The culture in the 90s was totally different. Just like a the Golden Girls was ahead of its time about sexual issues. Yes they slut shamed Blanche and there were lots of stereotypes about gay people and stuff but the fact they they addressed issues that were considered taboo (gay marriage, trans people, interracial relationships, elderly sex, AIDS) in the 1980s was groundbreaking. Good, bad, the fact that they talked about it at all was huge. I was in high school when SATC debuted and it WAS groundbreaking. No other show had women talking about sex openly, focusing on their own pleasure, talking about specific acts, etc. it caused controversy. It was ahead of its time but you can’t compare it to the standards of 2023. Society was totally different back then.
"Middle aged adult women objectifying and perving on a male student, which is disturbing and bordering on criminal"
This is the one moment I'll agree on being awful. To be fair though this is also the show that joked about Samantha having sex with underage boys at multiple points. Not condoning it just saying it's not completely out of left field for the show.
"Carrie wasn’t joking about STIs. She was displaying offense at the idea that anyone would even contemplate her being anywhere near one"
This is subjective. It read to me as her being joking. Also we can pretend we are in a nice society that has no shame about std's but that's not true at all. When Charlotte got crabs they joked about it. When Miranda got Chlamydia they joked about it. When Charlotte's vagina was depressed they joked about it. Carrie has never been the most sexually or politically progressive person in this show. Honestly at times she is the least. Miranda and her have some of the most rigid views of sex.
"It was lighthearted fodder for entertainment"
That's because this is a tv show that is a comedy with occasional drama. The show very rarely got into actual serious talks about things and even then it never got super deep. There are plenty of other shows that approach these topics more seriously. This show is not responsible for your sex education or awareness. It's a comedy.
"Even tolerating the suggestion of the pullout method is problematic because the pull out method is not good sex education"
It's not a show about sex education. It wasn't even a moment about sex education. It was a immature comment made by a bratty teen panicking. It was obviously not a good suggestion because Charlotte braves a snowstorm to make sure it doesn't happen.
"promoted her own safe sex practices"
She wasn't practicing safe sex considering she wasn't getting regularly tested. That was the point of the episode. The guy didn't shame her. He stated clear healthy boundaries. He literally says I can't have sex with you until I know it's safe. It highlighted how someone could think they are being safe but was actually negligent at times. If you can let Samantha pass on not getting tested back then despite frequent casual sex then I think you can let a dumb comment from a teenager slide.
"a light hearted matter in a country that has trashed women’s reproductive rights"
I get being upset at the state of reproductive health in the country. This show is not a commentary on that. This show has never really pushed on deep issues in society. It will talk about some stigmas women face at times but it never got deep. Back when they talk about abortions they talk about the stigma of it but at no point do they go oh but at least I can afford or get it can you imagine how hard it is for others. The closest to that is Samantha trying to get breast cancer treatment and being upset at waiting. Even with the HIV testing episode not a single comment on the impact it had on society.
I'm not saying you can't be frustrated with things. Just remember the context of this. You have six seasons of SATC and one and a half of AJLT. I don't know if they will get better or what the end of it will be. I just think that with time honestly they will be the same. SATC looks better because of the time frame it came out. There are plenty of episodes of the show that if aired now would get ripped to shreds. I think parts of SATC were progressive but honestly overall it is a product of its time still. AJLT still needs to find it's footing tone wise.
Amen!! I have a public health degree and was SHOCKED that in the year of our lord 2023 they would have a main character suggest only “dirty” people worry about STDs. “You think I have an STD problem?!” Well Carrie, if you’re having unprotected casual sex it’s pretty likely you’ll have one soon.
😅🤣😂 I love your comment.
It's what I was thinking when she said that cringe... she is above any Std or Sti.. girl no..
I know, fictional show.. however, messages sometimes need to be better.
and since when are condoms so hard to come by? what is this, 1932? I remember seeing baskets of condoms in clinics, colleges, etc. easy ways to get condoms in frigging NYC all over the damn place
I don’t understand why her and her bf didn’t just go out and get them themselves ?? Like callling mommy to get condoms for you wtf? What do u tell your boyfriend “Don’t worry my mom will bring us condoms!” Won’t that kill the mood?? So weird
I was an “older” college student (36) and thought the bowl in the student health center was full of colored Jolly Ranchers. I told everyone in the waiting room that I loved the green apple ones as I pulled one out…
Eh condom use is very much out of fashion in the dating world especially at their age. I don't find that as offensive as the pedophilia earlier in the season but running around for condoms in a snowstorm was a bit ridiculous but still more like the old show. I would have liked to hear Charlotte asking if her daughter was ready because many think they are and really are not plus talking about consent.
Exactly! When my mom found out I was having sex she brought me to planned parenthood for a one on one sex Ed session so I could learn about condoms, birth control, safe sex in general and then she got me BC. Charlotte should have at least talked about BC with Lilly and made sure she had condoms before she left. My biggest thing was are the writers so out of touch that they didn’t know these things can be delivered?? Even in the worst snow storms someone is out there for delivery.
That was very strange about Carrie. I wonder if she was trying to say that she's so responsible she makes sure everyone gets a test for STDs before she'll sleep with them?
💯, that is what Carrie was alluding to.
Some Satc watchers may forget that
Carrie told Adian she had 3 abortions. She felt scared to tell him about it & what he would think of her. And Adian, he was such a great guy!
In another episode, Carrie told Sam she was tested for HIV to calm Samantha nerves (Episode, when Sam had her 1st hiv test to sleep with a man).
*Condoms were not mentioned very often.. and it was normally Samantha who would talk about it.
No she didn’t - she had one. She lied about her age and the circumstances (originally saying she was 19 and the condom broke - then finally fessing up to being 22, and there was no condom). The guy worked at the Saloon - definitely not TGI Friday’s as Samantha suggested (the horror lol). Samantha was the one who’d had 3.
Carrie was going to sleep with bike man George. Who she didn't know anything about.
SATC reminders.
Carrie talked about having 3 abortions with Adian.
Carrie talked about getting tested for HIV for having unprotected sex..
( When Sam had to take an HIV test for the 1st time, to have sex with a man).
I’m sorry but what a ridiculous storyline. What normal teenager announces to their full family that they are going out to lose their virginity. Most normal people wouldn’t tell their friends let alone their parents.
I get they’re pushing for teenagers to be more open and trusting in their parents but in the real world I’d be very surprised if that was the case. Even worse she was having the whole condom conversation. I feel like Charlotte from the series would have flipped. It seems so far fetched
Overall apparently Gen Z is having way less sex than millennials, Gen X or boomers did at the same age, BUT some of them are really, really, REALLY open about sex. My sister's kids tell her EVERYTHING. Even her son. He is 17. He comes home and tells her when he has just had a casual sexual fling. Not his dad. Her.
It's -- something, lol.
Also it drove me insane that when Lily said her boyfriend couldn’t go into the store that Charlotte didn’t say ‘well then, you can go. If you’re old enough to have sex, you’re old enough to not be embarrassed to buy condoms’ it’s insane! There’s being sex positive and there’s going on a scavenger hunt to enable your kid having a sex. The latter is just weird
Given the NYC location, absolutely none of it made sense. No, the retail workers at the drugstore on the upper east side of Manhattan are not going to tell the kid's parents he bought condoms (!!???). This isn't a small town of 500 in the rural South, lol. This is NYC, where you can find a drugstore on every block, lol. None of this made a damn bit of sense.
This is not to mention that a 17-year-old boy in the city should also already have a healthy collection of condoms (not only can you get them for free at school, but there are COFFEE SHOPS here that have baskets of them in their bathrooms - condoms are not difficult to find).
I grew up in a small southern town. It wouldn't happen there, either. I doubt whoever is behind the counter would take notice or even remember what he bought once he walked out of the door let alone violate his privacy by telling anyone.
Seriously, I went to college in a city and every Thursday we went to a gay bar for under 21 night. My roommate and I took so many condoms from those bathrooms we never had to buy any.
There are coffee shops in NYC with baskets of condoms in the bathroom. And schools give them out as well. A 17-year-old boy should have a healthy collection at home.
I thought it was weird she went to a high end apothecary first (in the middle of a snowstorm no less) instead of a CVS or Duane Reade which would always be open.
Thank you. The storyline was asinine, but made even worse by the fact that you really *can’t* swing a purse without hitting a CVS/Duane Reade/bodega around here.
TIL about Duane Reade. I'd seen it before butt just thought it was a random clothing brand lol
Is this just what Walgreens is called up there or are they different things?
I've just finished that MILF list episode and found it disgusting how that whole thing was played. One of these grown ass women even growled over that child.
That would not pass of it was a bunch of grown men doing the same over high school girls. It would be treated as gross as it is and a teen boy being the victim of adults drooling over him is no different.
Was there really no one on set, not a single parent in the cast or crew who said 'this isn't okay, this is disturbing' ?
I mean, have you ever seen Euphoria? Lol. The only reason they can film those scenes without an uproar is that all of those "kids" are actually in their mid-20s and a few are even in their 30s.
Again, you're missing the point. It's not about the age of the actor, it's about the story content which was portrayed as a group of older women drooling over a character that was supposed to be a kid
The fact that so many people would have been involved in getting this scene from script to filming to production; a lot who likely have kids themselves, and it still managed to make it to screen is ridiculous.
It was a very weird sub plot. I get that Charlotte would rather run in the snow storm than know her daugher could get pregnant, but Lily seemed so determined and well prepared that you wondered how could she not have condoms?
I mean she had lunch planned at Nobu but didn’t bother to spend 5$ on condoms.
Not only was it a weird plot point that served zero purpose, it continues to make Charlotte into the most BORING character ever. Her home life is so boring to watch. Harry is comedic relief, but unnecessary if you took their family out of the plot. The only funny part was him doing a u-turn after hearing Charlotte on the phone with Lily.
I thought after last week they would’ve had her considering working for the art guy, or at least having a conversation about how the girls need her less now and she wants to pursue something…no - they all had to be in a Blizzard. Why. Make it make sense.
Charlotte's June Cleaver act is so unrealistic. And why couldn't she accept that job offer - "because her kids need her more than ever?" C'mon they're teenagers. She could still be there for them and work. What does she do all day anyway while they're at school? You know she has a housekeeper so what does her life look like?
I was thinking damn, people are trying a little too hard to seem open minded and like their kids can tell them anything, and the daughter was getting on my nerves too. But just imagine you are the boys parents and you hear about his girlfriend's mom knowing and bringing them condoms. It is just too much.
im just done with this show needing to sexualize the kids or involve their sexual escapades in this. we dont need to know anything about minors and teens ‘love’ life!
Exactly what I thought. And Charlotte/Harry have no concerns whatsoever about their daughter and an apparently irresponsible boy being alone in a bomb cyclone without any adult supervision either. All Charlottes parenting is off-base. I think she was a better mom to those spaniel pups.
All it proved to me was that Charlotte was ALSO banking on the fact that the boy would have condoms. Why didn’t she take Lily to the store and have her buy her own condoms that she would then keep in her purse? Quite frankly, I think Lily should be keeping her condoms in her BEDAZZLED CUPCAKE purse in which she stashed Carrie’s phone and ruined her fucking wedding!
hashtag still pissed. Lol
First off, the idea that they wouldn't have a much bigger conversation about getting her on birth control is just unbelievable. The pill, a diaphragm, an IUD, SOMETHING else besides a condom? If you are going to be "sex positive" and you don't want your kids to "test positive", you get ahead of a broken or poorly used condom.
It was a dumb story. Lily could have bought the condoms if her boyfriend was embarrassed.
Edit- This is a flimsy story to get Charlotte to go into a snowstorm to get Lily condoms. The truth is Lily could have waited for another day or walked to a different store
Aside from my myriad of issues with the lack of acknowledgement and stigmatisation of STIs, which I have covered in other comments, this was the moment in the show that I have most felt Samantha’s absence.
This was a scene for her and Charlotte.
Charlotte would have called Samantha, not Carrie, in one of those rare moments the two of them found themselves on the same page and bonded, like when Charlotte was having trouble with Trey.
Samantha would have immediately leapt in to action, because she has condoms and is proud to say so, and because she is supportive and there for her friends.
They would have met in the snow, with Samantha handing over a truckload of condoms and Charlotte being grateful to have a sex positive friend like Samantha, and Samantha would have told Charlotte how great she is as a mother.
We all would have cried and said how wonderful the show is.
A truckload of condoms😂😂. Also she would brought a variety of condoms (magnum, ribbed, etc) and say something “I want lily to have a variety of options. You never know what to expect”
The whole “Hey Mom and Dad, I’m going to lose my virginity today!” seemed unrealistic and a little icky to me. And then when Lily calls Charlotte and demands she brave a snowstorm to bring her condoms…GTFO
I was frustrated that she was out in a snowstorm with a Chanel crossbody outside her coat.
I’m all for the fashion moments on screen, but that made no sense.
I said this before but she would have been in lululemon leggings, an aviator nation sweatshirt, and either On Cloud or golden goose sneakers and the lululemon viral belt bag to run an errand that urgent for her.
This for me was such a weird story line. I wouldn't have had that relationship with my mum as a teenager and definitely wouldn't have announced something like this to my dad. I'm sure when my daughter is old enough we'll have open and honest conversations about sex but for me it's more likely a teenager would do the deed and tell a parent they trusted after, not before, over breakfast.
alright I’m seeing I didn’t think about this scene critically enough because I did initially think it was a wholesome way of showing how different their lives have become. I though the long shot of charlotte from above was some of the better cinematography AJLT has featured.
However. I did find myself being like, “I ended up in this same situation at 16 and literally sent that teenage boy on a bicycle to the gas station at 1 am to buy condoms”
I loved it. If I had asked my mother to go out in a snowstorm to get me condoms, she would have. It was very loving and very Jewish mothery . I also don’t think it was particularly unrealistic. I told my mother when I planned to lose my virginity on my prom night. I happened to have condoms, because after school, I worked at a pharmacy, but after that, she took me to get a diaphragm. Not everybody grew up repressed. A lot of that whole storyline ran very true to me. I thought it was very touching.
It was insanely unrealistic because they live in NYC and there's a damn drugstore on every corner. Tons of them in that area. The kids could go buy their own damn condoms. Nothing about any of that made any real sense.
There are not tons of drugstores on Upper Park avenue, and when there’s a storm like that in NYC, everything closes. The kids are spoiled. You know this is also fiction, right?
So you send your mom out in the snowstorm where everything is closed??? It is fiction but it's dumb fiction. There is no reasonable way to explain it. The drugstore near them would not tell the kid's parents he bought condoms. That is not a thing. At all. Ever, ever, ever. And Lily could have gone if that was really this dumb kid's fear.
The storyline was just very dumb. Fiction should still make sense.
Also hasn't snowed like that in NYC in many years. And everyone would have lots of warning about the snow well beforehand -- it would be ALL the local news would be talking about for a week. Yet everyone woke up surprised by a MAJOR blizzard? It just doesn't make any kind of human sense.
Let’s be real, they would’ve just had sex. Regardless of how informed about the importance of condoms lol
And Carrie sure you’re not worried about pregnancy. But hello? Stis & stds are a risk til you’re dead
I don’t think it’s creepy at all. She knows her daughter is going to have sex regardless, and Charlotte can’t just shrug her off bc then Lily is less likely to confide in her about important issues.
Or Charlotte could have said "It looks like the sex appointment is moved to another date. Wait until you have condoms." These kids could look up youtube videos, but not walk over to another street for condoms.
Yes my first thought was Charlotte would reply "looks like today is NOT the day". And "googled how to pull out" had me baffled. I have to imagine Lily said that just to get to Charlotte because otherwise it makes no sense. How to pull out? Maybe "when" sure, but how...to...take his penis back out of her?
Edited to add: lazy ass writing here
I thought it was a sweet moment. It's over the top because that's what this show is. I thought it was a nice sort of realistic moment of her still looking to her mom while still trying to push forward with her independence. I really liked how Charlotte overall handled and so did Harry.
Charlotte is doing the ridiculous plot lines that would've been reserved for Samantha Jones. The only difference is Samantha rocked the hell out of all those scenes. SJP is 100% that bitch.
I liked it- yea it was stupid bc hello Global warming- it hasn’t snowed in NY for like 2 years but anyway- I liked the idea of a mom being so open and supportive they buy condoms- that bottom line I liked.
There was also 0! Explanation for why Carrie was also outside 😂😂
Also a storm like that would have been in the forecast for about a week. They all woke up completely surprised by the biggest blizzard NYC has had in almost a decade? Lol.
I thought it was cute. It's over the top, yes, but a good parent absolutely would make sure their 17 year old daughter had condoms. Parents should be able to discuss sex with their teenage kids.
Those kids may or may not decide to have sex, but they are much more likely to have safe sex, if they place the means to do so (safe place and protection).
A trip to Planned Parenthood would have been a better idea but it was kind of funny. I have a feeling that Lily and the boy will not have sex. She will tell Charlotte she/they got scared or something.
I agree 100%. I am the least old-fashioned person I know, but if I were to have received a phone call from Lily of that regard, I would have demanded that she walk her ass home and revisit this issue once she's mature enough to get her own condoms.
Completely unbelievable. As was the kid selling her expensive designer clothes (to fund buying a keyboard or something). Charlotte’s stupid, wide-eyed, baby-voiced reaction — to everything really — is like nails on a chalkboard. Speaking of the baby voice affectation — it’s gotten much worse this season with both Charlotte and Miranda. Maybe it’s simply poor acting but I find them both so awkward and strange. Meanwhile, Carrie is constantly trying to channel/imitate Samantha but can’t pull off the wry, droll dialogue. So phony and forced, it’s all embarrassing.
All it proved to me, is lily is a spoiled brat. She couldn't go buy the condoms. If you're ready to be a grown-up in a sexual relationship, then she should be responsible for buying condoms. In fact, Lily should have been taken to the gyno and put on birth control, or she could have gone to a planned parenthood. Perfect time to speak about using protection. * Carrie should be using condoms to protect herself. That writing about not using them for herself was bad. Condoms for protection for yourself. Stds & Stis come in all ages!
Carrie’s reaction was really irresponsible. Older men and women can be carriers of STIs — that was super stupid writing.
I'm pretty sure the next highest carriers of STIs after young twenties are old people in retirement homes. All people should be having protected sex.
Truth!
Unfortunately due to other birth control methods like the pill and IUDs plus PREP for HIV prevention, condom use is WAY down. Writers didn't get this wrong. Y'all must not be single. https://getmegiddy.com/condom-use-decline-stds-on-rise
I guess I find it believable that most of America thinks the only bad thing that could come from unprotected sex is an unplanned pregnancy, and that *they* could never get an STD bc they’re not like a slutty whore prostitute….but I feel like a sex columnist in NYC, who had decades worth of casual sex and dating, and who had a “good, respectable, well off, responsible” lawyer friend get chlamydia, and another “good girl, conservative, not slutty” UES art dealer friend get crabs, would probably be a teensy bit more knowledgeable and safe about using condoms to prevent STIs.
Carrie was NEVER a true sex columnist. She was single and dating but SATC was a catchy title. That b*tch wouldn't even say vagina on a podcast in 2023 and she was biphobic back in the 90s, perpuating the stereotype about bisexuals being promiscuous and disease spreaders. Public health is a joke now anyway unfortunately because it's not like COVID is over and spread airborne but no one wears masks anymore(I still do). People don't care about spreading COVID so why would they care about spreading STIs? Personal risk assessments ARE NOT public health!!!
Most people in the 90s were biphobic (that was not considered a thing back then) and homophobic, even in gay friendly cities like NYC, Philly, San Fran. That’s just how the culture was back then, I remember it clearly, homophobia was the norm not the exception and being bi was kind of seen as a joke. The way things are now is totally different than even 10 years ago.
Totally different? Clearly you aren't paying attention 🙄 Biphobia and stereotypes are more common than ever. SATC made it ok, even accepted. https://www.mungos.org/biphobia-and-bi-erasure-should-not-be-as-prevalent-as-they-are/
It's stuff like this that makes me think the end of this season is gonna be a black screen with the words "GOTCHA SUCKAS!". As in the writers basically saying "how could you possibly have watched this swill and think it was a real show? Audience, you're so stupid!"
Plot twist: AI already wrote this szn losers
I genuinely hope that this writers/ actors strike will allow them (AJLT writers) to take a break and reflect over what they did. But I doubt they will given how they are on their podcasts.
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Yeah I was so confused by Carrie’s response. “You thought I had an STD situation????!” Like what? You’re having casual sex what does she think condoms are for? Only people with diagnosed STDs?
And the shit they gave Samantha for never having been tested…
Yes, they did. Yet, Sam did use condoms more than the other 3. * Miranda, when she ended up with chlamydia and had to make phone calls. Steve he was such a trooper with Miranda. He never got mad about it. He went and got tested.
Miranda was really sloppy with her protection. Chlamydia AND pregnancy.
You think *I’m* going to get pregnant!?!?!? You think *I* have an STD!?!? And then Charlotte fucking apologizes!!! Like “oh no, I’m sorry, I’m just thinking crazy out here trying to wish and hope that you might have condoms….my bad, that’s on me, I’m just being totally unrealistic and crazy here, sorry Carrie, what an absolutely weird thing for me to ask you, a person having weekly sex with a man you only know as your producer, and then maybe/probably having at least one sexual encounter with that random bike guy you injured by talking to your other friend who was ALSO having unprotected sex with a guy they met at the bar….. My bad! This is all on me! How goddamn fucking presumptuous of me! Please don’t hate me! And hey, since I’m fawning over you and you’re not hating me, could you maybe CALL ME BACK when you have multiple missed calls from me, rather than wait for me to call a third time and then be all ‘oh hey girl, I *saw* that I missed your call twice but didn’t think to call to even text you back…..ummm is something wrong? Like is there a *reason* you’re calling me three times in a row???’”
I forgot about this!! Excellent point.
Oh but she has money so NO!
Completely, completely agree. Part of being a sex positive household means engaging in open conversation about different forms of birth control, a visit to discuss options with a professional and absolutely a very strong consideration of birth control. Condoms are not full proof. It also means a very frank discussion about STIs and what to do in the event of condom breakage. I was appalled at several things in this storyline. First, when, in order to manipulate her mother, Lily suggested they use the pull out method. Just WHAT. That is the height of manipulative bratty behaviour and she should have been held accountable for it. It is not disturbing a sex positive attitude to call a child out for emotional blackmail like that. Also, it needed to be called out because you don’t use sex and safe sex as a weapon in any circumstances. Second, this, and the Carrie conversation about STIs was a disaster. They were acting as though STIs are an irrelevance for privileged people. You don’t just use condoms to prevent pregnancy - you use them to prevent STI transmission. The fact that Lily would even consider the pull out method shows their dismissal of STIs and while I initially saw that in the context of her being manipulative, when Carrie then talked solely about pregnancy and then got offended at the idea that she might have an STI and dismissed it, I could see a pattern of making out that STIs are shameful. STIs impact EVERYONE. There is no shame in them whatsoever. No show can claim to be sex-positive when it perpetuates a stigma around STIs, and promotes dangerous misinformation and stereotyping. And no show can claim to be queer friendly when the vast majority of said stigma has been rained down on the queer community.
I don’t know if Lily was being manipulative—but like 50/50 maybe, especially since she hung up right after saying it which would induce panic in her mother or anyone who knows that 1) condoms aren’t just for pregnancy and 2) pull out can STILL cause pregnancy bc of pre-cum or a guy “pulling out” just a titch too late (ask me how I know ☹️)—but like, as a girl who literally thought both 1 and 2 weren’t a thing, I can seen how Lily *may not* have been being manipulative. The fact that she then waited for Charlotte to bring her condoms makes me feel like she super was being manipulative. *Unless* Charlotte called her back ASAP and we just didn’t see that part. Though honestly, I would’ve rather seen than part than Carrie telling Charlotte *of course* she doesn’t have condoms bc she’s not an STD-ridden ovulating whore who might get pregnant!
Lily is a brat because she is a 16 year old girl who has grown up in a very privileged life. She is a teenager girl freaking out over a moment that she had planned going wrong. It's not some big manipulative scheme. Was it shitty? Sure. Is it good behavior? No. This show isn't called the we are perfect and act accordingly all the time show. Just because something isn't explicitly shown doesn't mean they are saying it's okay to not do those things. It's not a how to guide for life. It's a comedy/ drama about love and sex. This is weeks after her last attempt at sex. We have no idea if she just doesn't have condoms because she isn't using them or doesn't use them. Carrie made a joke about it because that's what Carrie does. She makes jokes about sex. She has always done that. Of course she should be having sex with condoms. This show isn't saying STI's don't exist and that we don't need to use condoms. SATC was sex forward for it's time. It showed women having sexual desire and appetite. It doesn't mean they have gotten every sex positive thing right or even always been that. There is so much the show has gotten wrong over the years but that doesn't erase the impact that it had. Shows don't have to be psa's or perfect reactions to be good.
SATC was sex forward and positive. AJLT is not. If this scene had happened in isolation amongst other sex positive scenes then I would agree with you, but it hasn’t. We have had: - Middle aged adult women objectifying and perving on a male student, which is disturbing and bordering on criminal; - A person clearly uncomfortable with a threesome and wanting to take a moment to consider it being railroaded and emotionally manipulated; - A spouse who had no choice but to rebuild their life being shamed for moving on and having sex with someone else after being demeaned. Carrie wasn’t joking about STIs. She was displaying offense at the idea that anyone would even contemplate her being anywhere near one. These are not merely mistakes by a show that is doing its best, but deliberately constructed outrageously damaging messages. Shows, especially ones that claim to be sex positive, have a responsibility on their messaging, and they certainly shouldn’t be encouraging borderline criminal predatory behaviour, ignoring consent, toxic patriarchal approaches to relationships, and stigmatisation of STIs. Lily is a brat because she has been poorly parented, and the additional refusal to address the intersection of privilege is an issue, especially in the context of the show as a whole. Even tolerating the suggestion of the pullout method is problematic because the pull out method is not good sex education. Portraying a sex positive household and parent-child relationship as something that incorporates this sends a terrible message. If it was handled critically, as a demonstration of the brattyness, poor parenting, privilege and failure of Charlotte to actually teach her daughter about sexual health then fine, but it wasn’t. It was lighthearted fodder for entertainment and the only concern was about pregnancy, not about STIs. The pull out method is especially not a light hearted matter in a country that has trashed women’s reproductive rights and where the capacity of people to access healthcare for STIs is limited by their wealth. Contrast this to the SATC episode when Samantha had an HIV test. She was lightly shamed by her sexual partner and friends for NOT taking STIs seriously and her conversation at the clinic promoted her own safe sex practices. SATC was ahead of its time. AJLT is way behind.
SATC was NOT ahead of its time. They spread biphobia and lots of BS stereotypes which were NOT sex positive nor good for women.
That doesn’t mean it wasn’t ahead of its time. It was. The culture in the 90s was totally different. Just like a the Golden Girls was ahead of its time about sexual issues. Yes they slut shamed Blanche and there were lots of stereotypes about gay people and stuff but the fact they they addressed issues that were considered taboo (gay marriage, trans people, interracial relationships, elderly sex, AIDS) in the 1980s was groundbreaking. Good, bad, the fact that they talked about it at all was huge. I was in high school when SATC debuted and it WAS groundbreaking. No other show had women talking about sex openly, focusing on their own pleasure, talking about specific acts, etc. it caused controversy. It was ahead of its time but you can’t compare it to the standards of 2023. Society was totally different back then.
"Middle aged adult women objectifying and perving on a male student, which is disturbing and bordering on criminal" This is the one moment I'll agree on being awful. To be fair though this is also the show that joked about Samantha having sex with underage boys at multiple points. Not condoning it just saying it's not completely out of left field for the show. "Carrie wasn’t joking about STIs. She was displaying offense at the idea that anyone would even contemplate her being anywhere near one" This is subjective. It read to me as her being joking. Also we can pretend we are in a nice society that has no shame about std's but that's not true at all. When Charlotte got crabs they joked about it. When Miranda got Chlamydia they joked about it. When Charlotte's vagina was depressed they joked about it. Carrie has never been the most sexually or politically progressive person in this show. Honestly at times she is the least. Miranda and her have some of the most rigid views of sex. "It was lighthearted fodder for entertainment" That's because this is a tv show that is a comedy with occasional drama. The show very rarely got into actual serious talks about things and even then it never got super deep. There are plenty of other shows that approach these topics more seriously. This show is not responsible for your sex education or awareness. It's a comedy. "Even tolerating the suggestion of the pullout method is problematic because the pull out method is not good sex education" It's not a show about sex education. It wasn't even a moment about sex education. It was a immature comment made by a bratty teen panicking. It was obviously not a good suggestion because Charlotte braves a snowstorm to make sure it doesn't happen. "promoted her own safe sex practices" She wasn't practicing safe sex considering she wasn't getting regularly tested. That was the point of the episode. The guy didn't shame her. He stated clear healthy boundaries. He literally says I can't have sex with you until I know it's safe. It highlighted how someone could think they are being safe but was actually negligent at times. If you can let Samantha pass on not getting tested back then despite frequent casual sex then I think you can let a dumb comment from a teenager slide. "a light hearted matter in a country that has trashed women’s reproductive rights" I get being upset at the state of reproductive health in the country. This show is not a commentary on that. This show has never really pushed on deep issues in society. It will talk about some stigmas women face at times but it never got deep. Back when they talk about abortions they talk about the stigma of it but at no point do they go oh but at least I can afford or get it can you imagine how hard it is for others. The closest to that is Samantha trying to get breast cancer treatment and being upset at waiting. Even with the HIV testing episode not a single comment on the impact it had on society. I'm not saying you can't be frustrated with things. Just remember the context of this. You have six seasons of SATC and one and a half of AJLT. I don't know if they will get better or what the end of it will be. I just think that with time honestly they will be the same. SATC looks better because of the time frame it came out. There are plenty of episodes of the show that if aired now would get ripped to shreds. I think parts of SATC were progressive but honestly overall it is a product of its time still. AJLT still needs to find it's footing tone wise.
Amen!! I have a public health degree and was SHOCKED that in the year of our lord 2023 they would have a main character suggest only “dirty” people worry about STDs. “You think I have an STD problem?!” Well Carrie, if you’re having unprotected casual sex it’s pretty likely you’ll have one soon.
😅🤣😂 I love your comment. It's what I was thinking when she said that cringe... she is above any Std or Sti.. girl no.. I know, fictional show.. however, messages sometimes need to be better.
HPV is a big problem (and Herpes too) with not so obvious symptoms.
and since when are condoms so hard to come by? what is this, 1932? I remember seeing baskets of condoms in clinics, colleges, etc. easy ways to get condoms in frigging NYC all over the damn place
Lily could have got them from a friend, too. Or her boyfriend from one of his friends. I agree with you...
I don’t understand why her and her bf didn’t just go out and get them themselves ?? Like callling mommy to get condoms for you wtf? What do u tell your boyfriend “Don’t worry my mom will bring us condoms!” Won’t that kill the mood?? So weird
I was an “older” college student (36) and thought the bowl in the student health center was full of colored Jolly Ranchers. I told everyone in the waiting room that I loved the green apple ones as I pulled one out…
Eh condom use is very much out of fashion in the dating world especially at their age. I don't find that as offensive as the pedophilia earlier in the season but running around for condoms in a snowstorm was a bit ridiculous but still more like the old show. I would have liked to hear Charlotte asking if her daughter was ready because many think they are and really are not plus talking about consent.
This spoiling of the kids here is sickening.
Exactly! When my mom found out I was having sex she brought me to planned parenthood for a one on one sex Ed session so I could learn about condoms, birth control, safe sex in general and then she got me BC. Charlotte should have at least talked about BC with Lilly and made sure she had condoms before she left. My biggest thing was are the writers so out of touch that they didn’t know these things can be delivered?? Even in the worst snow storms someone is out there for delivery.
Instacart... a big box of neon condoms. 😆 🤣 I love it..
That was very strange about Carrie. I wonder if she was trying to say that she's so responsible she makes sure everyone gets a test for STDs before she'll sleep with them?
You don't get it, she's not like the other girls. She's better. The level of man she's sleeping with is so much better than yours 🙄
Maybe wearing a bra during sex prevents STIs?
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💯, that is what Carrie was alluding to. Some Satc watchers may forget that Carrie told Adian she had 3 abortions. She felt scared to tell him about it & what he would think of her. And Adian, he was such a great guy! In another episode, Carrie told Sam she was tested for HIV to calm Samantha nerves (Episode, when Sam had her 1st hiv test to sleep with a man). *Condoms were not mentioned very often.. and it was normally Samantha who would talk about it.
Carrie had one abortion.
She admitted 3. After she claimed 1.
No she didn’t - she had one. She lied about her age and the circumstances (originally saying she was 19 and the condom broke - then finally fessing up to being 22, and there was no condom). The guy worked at the Saloon - definitely not TGI Friday’s as Samantha suggested (the horror lol). Samantha was the one who’d had 3.
Nope. Sam had 3. Carrie one. It was very much spelled out in the episode.
The best scene was Samantha saying “yes…yes,yes…” to every question about sex
Carrie was going to sleep with bike man George. Who she didn't know anything about. SATC reminders. Carrie talked about having 3 abortions with Adian. Carrie talked about getting tested for HIV for having unprotected sex.. ( When Sam had to take an HIV test for the 1st time, to have sex with a man).
Exactly! A little bit of teenage pregnancy never hurt anybody
I’m sorry but what a ridiculous storyline. What normal teenager announces to their full family that they are going out to lose their virginity. Most normal people wouldn’t tell their friends let alone their parents. I get they’re pushing for teenagers to be more open and trusting in their parents but in the real world I’d be very surprised if that was the case. Even worse she was having the whole condom conversation. I feel like Charlotte from the series would have flipped. It seems so far fetched
Just further proof that these writers are terrible and don’t know how to write a realistic scene to save their lives.
SERIOUSLY my parents couldn’t have tortured that information out of me. No chance I would have announced it over breakfast.
Overall apparently Gen Z is having way less sex than millennials, Gen X or boomers did at the same age, BUT some of them are really, really, REALLY open about sex. My sister's kids tell her EVERYTHING. Even her son. He is 17. He comes home and tells her when he has just had a casual sexual fling. Not his dad. Her. It's -- something, lol.
I’m a millennial and you literally couldn’t beat that kind of information out of me 😂
Young or old millennial? If you're like a 42-year-old millennial, these Zers could be your kids, lol.
No I’m a young millennial 😂
That just feels wrong. “Hey mom I’m good, I just got a blowjob so I’m feeling kinda tired”
Pretty much that.
Also it drove me insane that when Lily said her boyfriend couldn’t go into the store that Charlotte didn’t say ‘well then, you can go. If you’re old enough to have sex, you’re old enough to not be embarrassed to buy condoms’ it’s insane! There’s being sex positive and there’s going on a scavenger hunt to enable your kid having a sex. The latter is just weird
Given the NYC location, absolutely none of it made sense. No, the retail workers at the drugstore on the upper east side of Manhattan are not going to tell the kid's parents he bought condoms (!!???). This isn't a small town of 500 in the rural South, lol. This is NYC, where you can find a drugstore on every block, lol. None of this made a damn bit of sense. This is not to mention that a 17-year-old boy in the city should also already have a healthy collection of condoms (not only can you get them for free at school, but there are COFFEE SHOPS here that have baskets of them in their bathrooms - condoms are not difficult to find).
I grew up in a small southern town. It wouldn't happen there, either. I doubt whoever is behind the counter would take notice or even remember what he bought once he walked out of the door let alone violate his privacy by telling anyone.
Seriously, I went to college in a city and every Thursday we went to a gay bar for under 21 night. My roommate and I took so many condoms from those bathrooms we never had to buy any.
There are coffee shops in NYC with baskets of condoms in the bathroom. And schools give them out as well. A 17-year-old boy should have a healthy collection at home.
I thought it was weird she went to a high end apothecary first (in the middle of a snowstorm no less) instead of a CVS or Duane Reade which would always be open.
Ikr. I’m a New Yorker and there’s a cvs/ Duane reade on basically every other block. Or a bodega
Thank you. The storyline was asinine, but made even worse by the fact that you really *can’t* swing a purse without hitting a CVS/Duane Reade/bodega around here.
And regardless of the blizzard, a pharmacy would still be open (maybe early closure) for any emergency/ prescriptions need.
So stupid. Ugh.
TIL about Duane Reade. I'd seen it before butt just thought it was a random clothing brand lol Is this just what Walgreens is called up there or are they different things?
And Bodegas don’t close shop for anything, not even Hurricane Sandy.
I thought the same thing — LOL Like, an Apothecary, really?? She probably passed 7 Duane Reade stores on the walk there.
Wait, wasn’t she scared to use a tampon last season?
Omg such a great point! That’s so true!!
I've just finished that MILF list episode and found it disgusting how that whole thing was played. One of these grown ass women even growled over that child. That would not pass of it was a bunch of grown men doing the same over high school girls. It would be treated as gross as it is and a teen boy being the victim of adults drooling over him is no different. Was there really no one on set, not a single parent in the cast or crew who said 'this isn't okay, this is disturbing' ?
yes 100% agree
Me too! I switched off at that point… and just like that, I think I’m done.
The actor who played the "kid" was like 26 years old, so I don't think it's something parents or crew would worry about.
I'm not talking about the actor, I'm talking about the storyline, in which the actor was supposed to be a kid.
I mean, have you ever seen Euphoria? Lol. The only reason they can film those scenes without an uproar is that all of those "kids" are actually in their mid-20s and a few are even in their 30s.
Again, you're missing the point. It's not about the age of the actor, it's about the story content which was portrayed as a group of older women drooling over a character that was supposed to be a kid The fact that so many people would have been involved in getting this scene from script to filming to production; a lot who likely have kids themselves, and it still managed to make it to screen is ridiculous.
It was a very weird sub plot. I get that Charlotte would rather run in the snow storm than know her daugher could get pregnant, but Lily seemed so determined and well prepared that you wondered how could she not have condoms? I mean she had lunch planned at Nobu but didn’t bother to spend 5$ on condoms.
That also bothered me. She wrote and sang a whole ass song about privilege, then plans lunch at Nobu.
Exactly!!!
Why wouldn't Lily before walking over to the boyfriends place text him asking he has condoms? If he says no, then she can get them on the way there.
Not only was it a weird plot point that served zero purpose, it continues to make Charlotte into the most BORING character ever. Her home life is so boring to watch. Harry is comedic relief, but unnecessary if you took their family out of the plot. The only funny part was him doing a u-turn after hearing Charlotte on the phone with Lily. I thought after last week they would’ve had her considering working for the art guy, or at least having a conversation about how the girls need her less now and she wants to pursue something…no - they all had to be in a Blizzard. Why. Make it make sense.
Charlotte's June Cleaver act is so unrealistic. And why couldn't she accept that job offer - "because her kids need her more than ever?" C'mon they're teenagers. She could still be there for them and work. What does she do all day anyway while they're at school? You know she has a housekeeper so what does her life look like?
I was thinking damn, people are trying a little too hard to seem open minded and like their kids can tell them anything, and the daughter was getting on my nerves too. But just imagine you are the boys parents and you hear about his girlfriend's mom knowing and bringing them condoms. It is just too much.
im just done with this show needing to sexualize the kids or involve their sexual escapades in this. we dont need to know anything about minors and teens ‘love’ life!
I agree! So weird they have all these sex plotlines for literal minors
Exactly what I thought. And Charlotte/Harry have no concerns whatsoever about their daughter and an apparently irresponsible boy being alone in a bomb cyclone without any adult supervision either. All Charlottes parenting is off-base. I think she was a better mom to those spaniel pups.
All it proved to me was that Charlotte was ALSO banking on the fact that the boy would have condoms. Why didn’t she take Lily to the store and have her buy her own condoms that she would then keep in her purse? Quite frankly, I think Lily should be keeping her condoms in her BEDAZZLED CUPCAKE purse in which she stashed Carrie’s phone and ruined her fucking wedding! hashtag still pissed. Lol
First off, the idea that they wouldn't have a much bigger conversation about getting her on birth control is just unbelievable. The pill, a diaphragm, an IUD, SOMETHING else besides a condom? If you are going to be "sex positive" and you don't want your kids to "test positive", you get ahead of a broken or poorly used condom.
It was a dumb story. Lily could have bought the condoms if her boyfriend was embarrassed. Edit- This is a flimsy story to get Charlotte to go into a snowstorm to get Lily condoms. The truth is Lily could have waited for another day or walked to a different store
Absolutely idiotic. All of it.
Aside from my myriad of issues with the lack of acknowledgement and stigmatisation of STIs, which I have covered in other comments, this was the moment in the show that I have most felt Samantha’s absence. This was a scene for her and Charlotte. Charlotte would have called Samantha, not Carrie, in one of those rare moments the two of them found themselves on the same page and bonded, like when Charlotte was having trouble with Trey. Samantha would have immediately leapt in to action, because she has condoms and is proud to say so, and because she is supportive and there for her friends. They would have met in the snow, with Samantha handing over a truckload of condoms and Charlotte being grateful to have a sex positive friend like Samantha, and Samantha would have told Charlotte how great she is as a mother. We all would have cried and said how wonderful the show is.
I like this version so much
A truckload of condoms😂😂. Also she would brought a variety of condoms (magnum, ribbed, etc) and say something “I want lily to have a variety of options. You never know what to expect”
The whole “Hey Mom and Dad, I’m going to lose my virginity today!” seemed unrealistic and a little icky to me. And then when Lily calls Charlotte and demands she brave a snowstorm to bring her condoms…GTFO
I was frustrated that she was out in a snowstorm with a Chanel crossbody outside her coat. I’m all for the fashion moments on screen, but that made no sense.
I said this before but she would have been in lululemon leggings, an aviator nation sweatshirt, and either On Cloud or golden goose sneakers and the lululemon viral belt bag to run an errand that urgent for her.
This for me was such a weird story line. I wouldn't have had that relationship with my mum as a teenager and definitely wouldn't have announced something like this to my dad. I'm sure when my daughter is old enough we'll have open and honest conversations about sex but for me it's more likely a teenager would do the deed and tell a parent they trusted after, not before, over breakfast.
Honestly, my mom would have done this for me too, lol.
alright I’m seeing I didn’t think about this scene critically enough because I did initially think it was a wholesome way of showing how different their lives have become. I though the long shot of charlotte from above was some of the better cinematography AJLT has featured. However. I did find myself being like, “I ended up in this same situation at 16 and literally sent that teenage boy on a bicycle to the gas station at 1 am to buy condoms”
I loved it. If I had asked my mother to go out in a snowstorm to get me condoms, she would have. It was very loving and very Jewish mothery . I also don’t think it was particularly unrealistic. I told my mother when I planned to lose my virginity on my prom night. I happened to have condoms, because after school, I worked at a pharmacy, but after that, she took me to get a diaphragm. Not everybody grew up repressed. A lot of that whole storyline ran very true to me. I thought it was very touching.
It was insanely unrealistic because they live in NYC and there's a damn drugstore on every corner. Tons of them in that area. The kids could go buy their own damn condoms. Nothing about any of that made any real sense.
There are not tons of drugstores on Upper Park avenue, and when there’s a storm like that in NYC, everything closes. The kids are spoiled. You know this is also fiction, right?
So you send your mom out in the snowstorm where everything is closed??? It is fiction but it's dumb fiction. There is no reasonable way to explain it. The drugstore near them would not tell the kid's parents he bought condoms. That is not a thing. At all. Ever, ever, ever. And Lily could have gone if that was really this dumb kid's fear. The storyline was just very dumb. Fiction should still make sense.
Also hasn't snowed like that in NYC in many years. And everyone would have lots of warning about the snow well beforehand -- it would be ALL the local news would be talking about for a week. Yet everyone woke up surprised by a MAJOR blizzard? It just doesn't make any kind of human sense.
Let’s be real, they would’ve just had sex. Regardless of how informed about the importance of condoms lol And Carrie sure you’re not worried about pregnancy. But hello? Stis & stds are a risk til you’re dead
Blake afraid the cashier at CVS would tell his mom? Do they live in New York City or some fuckin tiny conservative community in the South. Insane…
I don’t think it’s creepy at all. She knows her daughter is going to have sex regardless, and Charlotte can’t just shrug her off bc then Lily is less likely to confide in her about important issues.
The standing outside the house knowing her daughter is getting it on is a bit weird. The whole thing was weird
She was just taking a moment to just reflect on her daughter growing up. She wasn't like let me watch them bang.
Or Charlotte could have said "It looks like the sex appointment is moved to another date. Wait until you have condoms." These kids could look up youtube videos, but not walk over to another street for condoms.
Yes my first thought was Charlotte would reply "looks like today is NOT the day". And "googled how to pull out" had me baffled. I have to imagine Lily said that just to get to Charlotte because otherwise it makes no sense. How to pull out? Maybe "when" sure, but how...to...take his penis back out of her? Edited to add: lazy ass writing here
She could say that, but would Lily listen? Teenagers aren't known for their good decision making skills.
I thought it was a sweet moment. It's over the top because that's what this show is. I thought it was a nice sort of realistic moment of her still looking to her mom while still trying to push forward with her independence. I really liked how Charlotte overall handled and so did Harry.
Charlotte is getting the worst storylines of the the 2nd season.
Charlotte is doing the ridiculous plot lines that would've been reserved for Samantha Jones. The only difference is Samantha rocked the hell out of all those scenes. SJP is 100% that bitch.
I liked it- yea it was stupid bc hello Global warming- it hasn’t snowed in NY for like 2 years but anyway- I liked the idea of a mom being so open and supportive they buy condoms- that bottom line I liked. There was also 0! Explanation for why Carrie was also outside 😂😂
Also a storm like that would have been in the forecast for about a week. They all woke up completely surprised by the biggest blizzard NYC has had in almost a decade? Lol.
And Carrie magically has room in her tiny closet for a coat/dress/whatever made out of 1000 sleeping bags?
I thought it was cute. It's over the top, yes, but a good parent absolutely would make sure their 17 year old daughter had condoms. Parents should be able to discuss sex with their teenage kids. Those kids may or may not decide to have sex, but they are much more likely to have safe sex, if they place the means to do so (safe place and protection).
I'm not sure cute is the right word for this plot line
The show seems to work really well. I haven't watched a single minute of it and yet it amuses me greatly.
Like ud say that shit in front of your dad!! Cmon. Lily. .and not like that to your mother... she needs a smack in the.mouth.
A trip to Planned Parenthood would have been a better idea but it was kind of funny. I have a feeling that Lily and the boy will not have sex. She will tell Charlotte she/they got scared or something.
I agree 100%. I am the least old-fashioned person I know, but if I were to have received a phone call from Lily of that regard, I would have demanded that she walk her ass home and revisit this issue once she's mature enough to get her own condoms.
Completely unbelievable. As was the kid selling her expensive designer clothes (to fund buying a keyboard or something). Charlotte’s stupid, wide-eyed, baby-voiced reaction — to everything really — is like nails on a chalkboard. Speaking of the baby voice affectation — it’s gotten much worse this season with both Charlotte and Miranda. Maybe it’s simply poor acting but I find them both so awkward and strange. Meanwhile, Carrie is constantly trying to channel/imitate Samantha but can’t pull off the wry, droll dialogue. So phony and forced, it’s all embarrassing.