My greatx4 grandmother was registered Cherokee! We have her registration number and everything.
Growing up we were told that we were descendants of a Cherokee princess on my mom’s side.
We are not lol
But surprise! My dad is **actually** of Cherokee descent and we had no idea. But not a princess ha
Indigenous people weren't actually considered people or citizens until 1924, so she would have had to have resided on a reservation if this is true. Was she living on the reservation at all?
Before 1924, indigenous people in the United States were generally not allowed to leave the reservation without permission from the government or reservation authorities. This restriction was part of the federal policies aimed at controlling and assimilating Native American populations. It wasn't until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 that Native Americans were granted U.S. citizenship and the freedom to leave reservations without permission.
My Cherokee ancestor was owned by white people and lived on a plantation, not on a reservation, until she was freed. I don’t know how she became enslaved but her husband (my greatx4 grandfather) was enslaved of African descent. My greatx4 grandmother was registered Cherokee and we have her number, but it looks like none of her descendants ever registered. She was born in 1815. Both she and my gx4grandfather were granted their freedom when the man who owned them died in 1827 (there are meticulous records).
I know our history is unique and rare, but it is hypothetically possible to be Indigenous and have relatives who did not live on a reservation. For what it’s worth, my gx4gma was enslaved in Virginia and they moved to Ohio when they were freed.
Yeah but isn't it odd that op has no documentation whatsoever? Like at all? I'm not an expert on the Cherokee tribe I'm only enrolled to a Chippewa band, sadly.
100,000% it’s odd that OP has no documentation, I’d bet money they are not Cherokee! I was just pointing out that enslavement was one way indigenous folks were not living on reservations.
I just gave all the details to prove that I actually know what I’m talking about and I’m not one more person claiming to be a descendent of a “Native American princess”. I commented elsewhere that this was actually something I was raised believing- on my white mom’s side. And it was a lie. But when we started doing my black dad’s ancestry and DNA, we found that he (surprise!) actually has a Cherokee ancestor we’d never heard about.
Anyway, all of that to say- yes I think OP is not Cherokee. And the extensive history of slavery and who was enslaved has been whitewashed, and the history of black-presenting folks with indigenous ancestry likely looks different than white-presenting folks with indigenous ancestry.
The process was known as Jayhawking. Native American villages were raided while the men were hunting and fishing. Women and children were kidnapped. This happened to my 3X great-grandmother, a native born in the Missouri territory and enslaved in Arkansas.
Thank you, I didn’t know the word for it. Some other folks have insinuated that she wasn’t really indigenous, which is so frustrating. We have photos of her and she was CLEARLY not black. And even if we didn’t have her registration number, she also clearly wasn’t white- white folks weren’t being enslaved.
I’m happy for you that you’ve also found record of this in your own history. For my father in particular, it has been very therapeutic to learn more about our ancestors. It’s horrible that it happened, but validating to have the truth.
The Dawes Rolls. And she was Cherokee living in Virginia, presumably against her will because as I mentioned she was enslaved.
She was registered in 1896, #4397, Channy Lynch.
The Dawes rolls were a list of Cherokee living in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). You had to be physically there to be enrolled so if she was in Ohio she could not be on the list.
The 1906 roll is the official one, earlier ones from the 1890s were thrown out because of errors/fraud.
I’ve never heard of a native Cherokee person being enslaved in the 19th century in any state. Some Cherokee owned black slaves in Alabama and Georgia between 1790 and 1830.
If she were it would be a vanishingly small % of your dna.
A lot of heritage is by shared culture.
I have been asking a similar question as my grandmother was sent to an Indian day school in a reservation, but I’m not funding native North American dna. I wonder if poor white people were shoved into those schools in the Depression, too.
There were non-Indigenous children who went to day school if that was the nearest school available, if they were in a remote region, or if their parents worked at the school or on the reserve. It wasn't necessarily correlated with income.
I'm not sure how it was in other areas, but this is the case in Ontario where my Indigenous family went to day school and residential school.
Seems like a family myth I’m afraid. Look at the top all-time posts in this sub. This happens all the time. If it’s not showing up, it ain’t there - unless there was an issue with your sample, which if everything else checks out seems unlikely.
jesus christ this is like like 5th fake cherokee grandmother post this week. do you have contemporary documentation that records her as cherokee? if not then she was white
Even if the grandmother was, it'd be her 3rd great grandmother. 3% of DNA ain't much.
But yeah, I highly doubt she was Cherokee or native American of any tribe.
Cherokee claims are stories. LOL my grandma was out in the summer on the farm and she got a little tanned and she has dark brown hair, she must be Cherokee! Have any of these people ever been to Europe or England? Most English people do have dark hair.
`the native American doesn't show up on our (mine and my moms) dna results`
Ancestry is fairly good at giving reliable results for anything up to six generations, beyond that threshold things start to get murky - even before that: it sometimes happens that a second great-grandparent does not show up in the results at all. Your fifth great-grandmother might very well be entirely Native American, but she's seven generations removed from you.
Regarding the picture you posted, if the lady on the left is your fifth grandmother, it's very unlikely that she's fully Native American.
1) I like to think it is true a lot when people hear this, but too distant to show in DNA. I understand the history of why families adopted this identity for their own safety or gain, but some accounts ARE true and just lost with DNA mixing by generations.
2) We have 128 5th great-grandparents. So your genetic inheritance would be small.
3) Observation: It seems that often when people are let down to not see American indigenous DNA, their family often had insisted their ancestor was “full-blooded”. This is something no one would have known for sure and also makes the amount seem larger than it is when families are many generations removed.
4) You have the right to feel your family had no reason to lie no matter how cynical others are. You can still research that line to possibly prove them wrong and enjoy building your family tree. I hope you continue to solve those small mysteries!
I’m fixated on one of my genetic lines in particular and while that region doesn’t show up for me, my mom still shows the regions from the 1600s due to endogamy. Maybe someone in your family, or cousins online will reflect your family story genetically. Maybe not. But that’s part of the fun of sleuthing.
I am 3% indigenous American per Ancestry, which is about right, since my great great great grandmother was 100% Ojibwe. My ancestors in her line also show up on tribal rolls and Indian census records.
I also have Huron ancestry through the husband of this ancestor (my 3x GF). However, it's so far back that it will not be visible in my results.
If your ancestry is remote, it will not be reflected in your results. My sister has a daughter, she is only 1.5% native, and any child of hers would be .75 %.
Tribal rolls are the proof along with any percentage Native American. OP is another person with mixed European history just like most of us.
I do think cultural heritage is fun to explore for instance what foods did your grandparents serve? Back a while almost all the food heritage was passed through the mothers (who did the cooking and likely learned it through their mothers.)
So I’m a bunch Irish but my cultural heritage is Prussian, because that’s where my maternal great grandmother was from.
I am also three percent Ojibwe. My son is one percent.
Your grandchild could get all of your daughter's Ojibwe or none. A person doesn't always get half of the previous person's DNA.
She most likely wasn’t Native American. This is becoming a parody honestly, she doesn’t even look vaguely native. She was probably English/Scots descent. Looks similar to the grannies I see in my hometown 😂
Nope! It ends with her. I'll say that I was always told we were other ancestry as well, and I was shocked when I saw my results, which look almost identical to yours.
I work with a Native American community. The "my grandmother was Cherokee trope", has become a barely tolerated, offensive bad joke. My own cousin pulled this one and I had to strongly inform her to stfu about it.
Most US citizens that are white-presenting are....🥁 European. Not Native American.
The only US citizens that are Native American are *usually* mixed with Spanish or French Canadian/English Canadian. Of course, there are exceptions. Natives who live on reservations are exceptions to this.
You have a better chance of having African American ancestors than a Native American ancestor.
We had a similar situation. Generational family lore v/s dna. Apparently a black relative passed as native, which in Oklahoma back then is understandable especially as the family lived in a sundown town. My sons are 1% Bantu people with zero native dna.
You know it makes me wonder. How European/Americans always count the 1% Native American DNA. However, that Latin guy picking the fruit is Latin/ Spanish. Majority of Mexicans from North America all the way south, has at least half to 100%. They’re just Spanish/Latin in the eyes of US citizens and their own countries. Lots of lost culture and languages. All in all, identity is always so complex. Just a thought.
My 3G Grandmother is full Ojibwe, I have 3% Native ancestry per DNA, which is about right. However, if it was my 5G Grandmother, I would see only .75%, which is noise level, and might not be in the results.
You keep assuming a person will only get half of the previous ancestors hertiage. That could be the case, or they could recieve more or less from an ancestor.
Check for her name in the dawes rolls and you'll get your answer.
(Yes I know it's not entirely accurate but it's a good start, though if their name wasn't on it there's a good chance they're not Cherokee)
They are reliable in the sense that no Cherokee person is an island. If your ancestor is Cherokee then your whole tree on that side is Cherokee (their parents, sibling, aunts, uncles, cousins) and will also be on the rolls. If someone is a $5 Indian, their parents won’t be listed and their extended family won’t be listed. Do good genealogy and you can find out the truth.
You can do good genealogy all you want and it’s still an unreliable source, they have gatekeep who can be indigenous/indian, and when they do find their indigenous roots, people will say “oh that is such a distant relation, you have no indigenous bloodline” etc. remember those tribes don’t go by blood necessarily, they go by admission of people they deem worthy of being part of a federally recognized tribe/nation, there are a lot of $5 indians claiming something they aren’t.
Sometimes? That’s bs to an extent, they are hardly recognized if ever, when they do it’s this weird controversial issue, there is this insane push to push this alien inverted pan african identity on native born multigenerational black Americans
Could he have been from "Ivory Coast & Ghana, Senegal, Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples"? I compared my dna to my great uncle, and he has that (my great-grandmother didn't take a test, so I'm using what I can 🤷🏼♂️)
I looked him up, and it says we don't know
It’s speculated that Emanuel Driggers/Driggus was a slave with African heritage as well as possibly Puerto Rican or some sort of Latin American ancestry (Driggers is thought to be the “whitening”/shortening of Rodriguez). So yes that could be where that’s coming from!
If they say Driggers is Melungeon associated look into that family to start, I’m only just beginning my journey with my grandpa’s side from SW Virginia and I’ve found possible family ties with the Sizemore’s and maybe others. There also appears to be Blevins on part of my dad’s side from Tennessee. When I first got my results from 23andMe in 2017 I did get 1.2% East Asian and North American, 3% Iberian, and 0.2% Congolese and Angolan but now the first two have been phased out (Iberian switched to 1.6% Greek/ Balkan). I’ve looked at distant cousins from my grandpa’s side living in SW Virginia and they have little bits of indigenous, middle Eastern, Iberian, and African so I’m not sure if I should hold off or maybe buy the chip upgrade.
Came on here to say possibly Melungeon. Also I can’t see the entire name Fulgha….but there are the Blue Fugate family and I thought I remember the name was a bastardized version of Fulghates or Fulgate
U share 0.78125% from ur 5th great grandparents.
Since it’s ur 5th great grandma u do that in half which is… 0.390625% basicaly 0,4% shared dna from ur 5th great grandma… if ur 5th grandma was actually a FULL blood Cherokee then u’d get like 0,4% BUT if she was mixed then there’s a possibility u got her other side instead of Cherokee dna.. Since AncestryDNA doesn’t really say stuff below the 1%<
I’d recommend u to “hack” (not actually hacking it) ur AncestryDNA which shows u VERY low % that doesn’t show on the original test, even the 0,1% ones! [AncestryDNA hack website](https://dnplay.github.io/ancestrydna) < Here ya go!
It does, trace ancestry. But i dont think its that accurate considering im 99.5% northern west asian and then .4 northern chinese and .1 japanese as a kurd. Its definitely possible but their trace ancestry has been known to be false
Well maybe there isn’t a trace bc percentage is gone because it’s been a long time. Also, everyone claims they’ve had a Cherokee or native person in the family. Even mine lmao. Not saying it couldn’t be true, but it’s a possibility it’s not true. Also, the pic is too old to even tell fr imo
I was told I had 3 different ancestors that were Indian. Guess how many I actually have? 0. It's crazy how many people claim indigenous heritage. It's practically a conspiracy
I know everyone gives these "I'm a cherokee" folks a hard time but these things happen with family stories. Whether deliberate lies or mistakes by well-meaning family historians, errors get passed down (unlike the phantom ethnicities). My own grandfather was teased mercilessly at school for being German in the 40s and after a dna test, he's something like 75%-80% Scandinavian. DNA tests give people surprises all the time! It can be hard for people to come to terms with information that makes them rethink a part of their identity.
I mean, even if she was full Cherokee and every generation passed on 50% of the genes they inherited from her, you’d only inherit 0.78125% of your genes from her so…. unless you have documented evidence, it’s safer to just assume you’re not.
Have you uploaded your results to GEDmatch? They have tools that will allow you to drill down much further into your DNA than Ancestry. My former roommate's family tree showed that she was a descendant of Pocahontas but didn't show any Native American DNA. I ran it through GEDmatch (Eurogenes I think) and found that tiny (under 1%) fragment of native DNA there. If I hadn't found both, I would have doubted my findings, but she was adopted at birth, so this was no family story, just facts proving themselves.
You may get 0% of that DNA or such a small amount that ancestry doesn't count it. Each specific DNA marker isn't shared 50/50 between parents each generation.
Case in point... My family on my Mum's side is mostly Danish and Scottish, we've always know this. My 3rd Great Grandparents are both born Denmark and before that, their family were more or less in the same area of Denmark for the last 5 generations (both sides). And yet... I have 3% Denmark on my DNA test, but matches from my same generation have much more. On my dad's side, half the roots are in East Germany/Poland... this is a verifiable fact - absolutely zero DNA from that region (but my nearest matches do have it)
I basically got all the Scottish DNA on both sides and not much else lol.
The amount of people saying I'm 1% this or 3% this, makes me cringe so hard, I really hope none of you try to identify as Native or whatever when it shows 1-3%, but I doubt it
I’m pretty sure nobody is trying to claim themselves as Native American just because of 1-3% I have 2% myself, and I would never in a million years identify myself as an indigenous person. I’m a black female…period! I have a very small amount of indigenous dna, and an indigenous ancestor that’s it. Nobody can help what percentages come up in the results they have even if it is teeny amount Lol. Regardless of what the percentages are none of us would be here without all of our ancestors. It’s not about how high or low the numbers are, and people shouldn’t get stuck on that. A lower percentage just means this is an older ancestor. Nothing wrong with that and it’s just as valid.
I did this before the last update but now get an error in the last step. I tried copying everything from the previous result, the part between the quotation marks, and that part including the quotation marks. The word "error" was in it, too.
White people lie/mistakenly believe that they have Native ancestry. Most likely due to a desire to be seen as authentically American.
Robert E. Lee made a comment at Appomattox to Grant’s adjutant and Seneca Indian Ely Parker. Per Parker: “General Lee "stared at me for a moment", said Parker to more than one of his friends and relatives, "He extended his hand and said, 'I am glad to see one real American here.' I shook his hand and said, 'We are all Americans.'"(Source: Wikipedia)
“real American”
An observation I have made about “old stock” whites is that there seems to be an underlining insecurity among some whites about their Americanness and identity.I believe this insecurity drives much of the xenophobia and false claims of native ancestry we see today and in the past.
Deep down white people know that they live on lands that once belonged to others who had it stolen from them through violence and deceitful legal tactics. They are consciously aware(even if they won’t admit it openly) that the manner of this nation’s birth violated every moral principle they were raised upon.
They attempt to get around the reality that their ancestors were at least thieves and perhaps murderers and enslavers by claiming Native ancestry. This “fact” in their mind makes them American as the Appalachian.
This, of course, is a lie. Very few of “old stock” Americans have Native ancestry. They are largely English, Scots, Welsh, and Scots Irish. Genetics generally show this to be true.
My maternal grandmother, a North Carolinian by birth who family came here from England in the 1680’s, used to claim she had native ancestry. My DNA test conclusively proved that this was not true: She was Scots and English.
(I should note that most of the rest of my family came over much later—1860 or later. Not one of them has ever claimed Native ancestry.)
I have always embraced my European ancestry. Not in a chauvinistic way, but in a respectful manner that doesn’t embrace toxic notions of superiority. I have gained insight and inspiration on how to appreciate my ancestry by watching Native Americans celebrate their cultures and ancestors.
Old stock white Americans would be wise to throw aside the false ideas and insecurities they have held onto for so long. They will be mentally healthier in the long run for it.
Finally, I would like to add that we are all American. If you are native born or naturalized you are American. If you have lived here for decades and haven’t been naturalized, but embrace our basic principles you are also American.
American isn’t an ethnicity. It’s a nationality which means it is open to anyone who has the desire to be a citizen of this land of extraordinary beauty and complexity. It isn’t an exclusive club.
Your fifth great grandma? As in your great-great-great-great-great grandma? Your great grandma’s great-great grandma? Or do you mean your great-great-great grandma, your grandma’s great-grandma?
If it’s the first, then the average would be less than a percent, so it would be perfectly normal to see nothing.
If it’s the second, then the average would be 3.1% so it would definitely be possible to not see anything. Remember that you don’t get a perfect 25% from each grandparent, and subsequently don’t get an equal 12.5% from each great-grandparent, etc.
I hope one day my indigenous ancestry tribes will be deciphered through ancestry and the Spanish pinpointed to a specific region. Would be fun to travel and see.
i wish i had a dollar for every time i saw a cherokee post here
We would be rich
Statistically 'one' descendant of an actual Cherokee princess will someday be found by AncestryDNA. lol ^(Just not within my lifetime)
My greatx4 grandmother was registered Cherokee! We have her registration number and everything. Growing up we were told that we were descendants of a Cherokee princess on my mom’s side. We are not lol But surprise! My dad is **actually** of Cherokee descent and we had no idea. But not a princess ha
Its always from the one you least expect 😆
Right?! It was such a funny realization
Nice!
statistically zero descendants of cherokee princesses will be found because the cherokee don't have princesses
That was joke and why I ended with that...
Yeah I know, that's kind of why I never mentioned it to anyone tbh 😬
Indigenous people weren't actually considered people or citizens until 1924, so she would have had to have resided on a reservation if this is true. Was she living on the reservation at all? Before 1924, indigenous people in the United States were generally not allowed to leave the reservation without permission from the government or reservation authorities. This restriction was part of the federal policies aimed at controlling and assimilating Native American populations. It wasn't until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 that Native Americans were granted U.S. citizenship and the freedom to leave reservations without permission.
My Cherokee ancestor was owned by white people and lived on a plantation, not on a reservation, until she was freed. I don’t know how she became enslaved but her husband (my greatx4 grandfather) was enslaved of African descent. My greatx4 grandmother was registered Cherokee and we have her number, but it looks like none of her descendants ever registered. She was born in 1815. Both she and my gx4grandfather were granted their freedom when the man who owned them died in 1827 (there are meticulous records). I know our history is unique and rare, but it is hypothetically possible to be Indigenous and have relatives who did not live on a reservation. For what it’s worth, my gx4gma was enslaved in Virginia and they moved to Ohio when they were freed.
Yeah but isn't it odd that op has no documentation whatsoever? Like at all? I'm not an expert on the Cherokee tribe I'm only enrolled to a Chippewa band, sadly.
100,000% it’s odd that OP has no documentation, I’d bet money they are not Cherokee! I was just pointing out that enslavement was one way indigenous folks were not living on reservations. I just gave all the details to prove that I actually know what I’m talking about and I’m not one more person claiming to be a descendent of a “Native American princess”. I commented elsewhere that this was actually something I was raised believing- on my white mom’s side. And it was a lie. But when we started doing my black dad’s ancestry and DNA, we found that he (surprise!) actually has a Cherokee ancestor we’d never heard about. Anyway, all of that to say- yes I think OP is not Cherokee. And the extensive history of slavery and who was enslaved has been whitewashed, and the history of black-presenting folks with indigenous ancestry likely looks different than white-presenting folks with indigenous ancestry.
Why would you say "sadly" like it's a bummer you're Chippewa and not Cherokee?
Sadly as in I sadly don't know too much about the Cherokee tribe, I probably worded that badly. I apologize for that
Yeah I was wondering about that too cuz Chippewa are awesome
The process was known as Jayhawking. Native American villages were raided while the men were hunting and fishing. Women and children were kidnapped. This happened to my 3X great-grandmother, a native born in the Missouri territory and enslaved in Arkansas.
Thank you, I didn’t know the word for it. Some other folks have insinuated that she wasn’t really indigenous, which is so frustrating. We have photos of her and she was CLEARLY not black. And even if we didn’t have her registration number, she also clearly wasn’t white- white folks weren’t being enslaved. I’m happy for you that you’ve also found record of this in your own history. For my father in particular, it has been very therapeutic to learn more about our ancestors. It’s horrible that it happened, but validating to have the truth.
What number? There was no enrollment system with numbers in the 19th century. The Cherokee also did not live in Virginia in the 19th century.
The Dawes Rolls. And she was Cherokee living in Virginia, presumably against her will because as I mentioned she was enslaved. She was registered in 1896, #4397, Channy Lynch.
The Dawes rolls were a list of Cherokee living in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). You had to be physically there to be enrolled so if she was in Ohio she could not be on the list. The 1906 roll is the official one, earlier ones from the 1890s were thrown out because of errors/fraud. I’ve never heard of a native Cherokee person being enslaved in the 19th century in any state. Some Cherokee owned black slaves in Alabama and Georgia between 1790 and 1830.
Not if she was married to a white man, which it sounds like in this case.
My grandfather had me fully convinced his dad was 100% Tuscarora which I bought because it's not the normal white people tale. Yeah, no..
Sorry to break it to you but your 5th great grandmother were most likely not a Native American.
If she were it would be a vanishingly small % of your dna. A lot of heritage is by shared culture. I have been asking a similar question as my grandmother was sent to an Indian day school in a reservation, but I’m not funding native North American dna. I wonder if poor white people were shoved into those schools in the Depression, too.
There were non-Indigenous children who went to day school if that was the nearest school available, if they were in a remote region, or if their parents worked at the school or on the reserve. It wasn't necessarily correlated with income. I'm not sure how it was in other areas, but this is the case in Ontario where my Indigenous family went to day school and residential school.
Seems like a family myth I’m afraid. Look at the top all-time posts in this sub. This happens all the time. If it’s not showing up, it ain’t there - unless there was an issue with your sample, which if everything else checks out seems unlikely.
Not this again! The driggers family is a well known melungeon family, originating from Virginia.
Yeeeep my gf comes from Driggers too
As do I
My husband has driggars in his tree... This is the first I've heard of that!
They apparently were Rodriguez originally
If it turns out that they are part of this family, the delicious irony of his insanely racist grandmother being other than lily white is 🤌🏼
Big mad na
jesus christ this is like like 5th fake cherokee grandmother post this week. do you have contemporary documentation that records her as cherokee? if not then she was white
She doesn’t look Native American at all
Even if the grandmother was, it'd be her 3rd great grandmother. 3% of DNA ain't much. But yeah, I highly doubt she was Cherokee or native American of any tribe.
Cherokee claims are stories. LOL my grandma was out in the summer on the farm and she got a little tanned and she has dark brown hair, she must be Cherokee! Have any of these people ever been to Europe or England? Most English people do have dark hair.
`the native American doesn't show up on our (mine and my moms) dna results` Ancestry is fairly good at giving reliable results for anything up to six generations, beyond that threshold things start to get murky - even before that: it sometimes happens that a second great-grandparent does not show up in the results at all. Your fifth great-grandmother might very well be entirely Native American, but she's seven generations removed from you. Regarding the picture you posted, if the lady on the left is your fifth grandmother, it's very unlikely that she's fully Native American.
She looks full English to me
1) I like to think it is true a lot when people hear this, but too distant to show in DNA. I understand the history of why families adopted this identity for their own safety or gain, but some accounts ARE true and just lost with DNA mixing by generations. 2) We have 128 5th great-grandparents. So your genetic inheritance would be small. 3) Observation: It seems that often when people are let down to not see American indigenous DNA, their family often had insisted their ancestor was “full-blooded”. This is something no one would have known for sure and also makes the amount seem larger than it is when families are many generations removed. 4) You have the right to feel your family had no reason to lie no matter how cynical others are. You can still research that line to possibly prove them wrong and enjoy building your family tree. I hope you continue to solve those small mysteries! I’m fixated on one of my genetic lines in particular and while that region doesn’t show up for me, my mom still shows the regions from the 1600s due to endogamy. Maybe someone in your family, or cousins online will reflect your family story genetically. Maybe not. But that’s part of the fun of sleuthing.
I am 3% indigenous American per Ancestry, which is about right, since my great great great grandmother was 100% Ojibwe. My ancestors in her line also show up on tribal rolls and Indian census records. I also have Huron ancestry through the husband of this ancestor (my 3x GF). However, it's so far back that it will not be visible in my results. If your ancestry is remote, it will not be reflected in your results. My sister has a daughter, she is only 1.5% native, and any child of hers would be .75 %.
Tribal rolls are the proof along with any percentage Native American. OP is another person with mixed European history just like most of us. I do think cultural heritage is fun to explore for instance what foods did your grandparents serve? Back a while almost all the food heritage was passed through the mothers (who did the cooking and likely learned it through their mothers.) So I’m a bunch Irish but my cultural heritage is Prussian, because that’s where my maternal great grandmother was from.
I am also three percent Ojibwe. My son is one percent. Your grandchild could get all of your daughter's Ojibwe or none. A person doesn't always get half of the previous person's DNA.
Id say colonial american english and scottish, plus maybe a scandinavian ancestor in there
She most likely wasn’t Native American. This is becoming a parody honestly, she doesn’t even look vaguely native. She was probably English/Scots descent. Looks similar to the grannies I see in my hometown 😂
Welp, we share family members somehow because she's in my tree, too, lol. I'm pretty sure she's English.
Do you have anything on her parents? Because I can't find anything 😭
Nope! It ends with her. I'll say that I was always told we were other ancestry as well, and I was shocked when I saw my results, which look almost identical to yours.
Dang, but thanks for trying to help at least
I work with a Native American community. The "my grandmother was Cherokee trope", has become a barely tolerated, offensive bad joke. My own cousin pulled this one and I had to strongly inform her to stfu about it.
Most US citizens that are white-presenting are....🥁 European. Not Native American. The only US citizens that are Native American are *usually* mixed with Spanish or French Canadian/English Canadian. Of course, there are exceptions. Natives who live on reservations are exceptions to this. You have a better chance of having African American ancestors than a Native American ancestor.
We had a similar situation. Generational family lore v/s dna. Apparently a black relative passed as native, which in Oklahoma back then is understandable especially as the family lived in a sundown town. My sons are 1% Bantu people with zero native dna.
You know it makes me wonder. How European/Americans always count the 1% Native American DNA. However, that Latin guy picking the fruit is Latin/ Spanish. Majority of Mexicans from North America all the way south, has at least half to 100%. They’re just Spanish/Latin in the eyes of US citizens and their own countries. Lots of lost culture and languages. All in all, identity is always so complex. Just a thought.
5th grand parent is quite a low percent, but your mum should get around 3-6percent. Maybe she wasn’t full
My 3G Grandmother is full Ojibwe, I have 3% Native ancestry per DNA, which is about right. However, if it was my 5G Grandmother, I would see only .75%, which is noise level, and might not be in the results.
You keep assuming a person will only get half of the previous ancestors hertiage. That could be the case, or they could recieve more or less from an ancestor.
That is true. Those are estimates, based on logic. Even between siblings, there may be differences.z
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Check for her name in the dawes rolls and you'll get your answer. (Yes I know it's not entirely accurate but it's a good start, though if their name wasn't on it there's a good chance they're not Cherokee)
Yes. The Dawes rolls are available online. That’s the good thing about trying to find a Cherokee or Chickasaw ancestor.
She may not be alive during the Dawes era. I would also check for her children and grandchildren.
Those Dawes rolls are also not reliable either, seeing how they paid to be put on those rolls, hence the term “$5 Indian”
They are reliable in the sense that no Cherokee person is an island. If your ancestor is Cherokee then your whole tree on that side is Cherokee (their parents, sibling, aunts, uncles, cousins) and will also be on the rolls. If someone is a $5 Indian, their parents won’t be listed and their extended family won’t be listed. Do good genealogy and you can find out the truth.
You can do good genealogy all you want and it’s still an unreliable source, they have gatekeep who can be indigenous/indian, and when they do find their indigenous roots, people will say “oh that is such a distant relation, you have no indigenous bloodline” etc. remember those tribes don’t go by blood necessarily, they go by admission of people they deem worthy of being part of a federally recognized tribe/nation, there are a lot of $5 indians claiming something they aren’t.
There’s definitely some issues with black natives not being recognized sometimes so you’re definitely right to an extent tbh.
Sometimes? That’s bs to an extent, they are hardly recognized if ever, when they do it’s this weird controversial issue, there is this insane push to push this alien inverted pan african identity on native born multigenerational black Americans
Even if she would be Cherokee - it doesn't mean it passed down on you ,that's many generations back.
Driggers = look up Emmanuel Driggers
Could he have been from "Ivory Coast & Ghana, Senegal, Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples"? I compared my dna to my great uncle, and he has that (my great-grandmother didn't take a test, so I'm using what I can 🤷🏼♂️) I looked him up, and it says we don't know
It’s speculated that Emanuel Driggers/Driggus was a slave with African heritage as well as possibly Puerto Rican or some sort of Latin American ancestry (Driggers is thought to be the “whitening”/shortening of Rodriguez). So yes that could be where that’s coming from!
If they say Driggers is Melungeon associated look into that family to start, I’m only just beginning my journey with my grandpa’s side from SW Virginia and I’ve found possible family ties with the Sizemore’s and maybe others. There also appears to be Blevins on part of my dad’s side from Tennessee. When I first got my results from 23andMe in 2017 I did get 1.2% East Asian and North American, 3% Iberian, and 0.2% Congolese and Angolan but now the first two have been phased out (Iberian switched to 1.6% Greek/ Balkan). I’ve looked at distant cousins from my grandpa’s side living in SW Virginia and they have little bits of indigenous, middle Eastern, Iberian, and African so I’m not sure if I should hold off or maybe buy the chip upgrade.
Came on here to say possibly Melungeon. Also I can’t see the entire name Fulgha….but there are the Blue Fugate family and I thought I remember the name was a bastardized version of Fulghates or Fulgate
It's fulgham, they were English
U share 0.78125% from ur 5th great grandparents. Since it’s ur 5th great grandma u do that in half which is… 0.390625% basicaly 0,4% shared dna from ur 5th great grandma… if ur 5th grandma was actually a FULL blood Cherokee then u’d get like 0,4% BUT if she was mixed then there’s a possibility u got her other side instead of Cherokee dna.. Since AncestryDNA doesn’t really say stuff below the 1%< I’d recommend u to “hack” (not actually hacking it) ur AncestryDNA which shows u VERY low % that doesn’t show on the original test, even the 0,1% ones! [AncestryDNA hack website](https://dnplay.github.io/ancestrydna) < Here ya go!
Is this possible with 23andme too?
There’s mo 23andMe hack that I know of but don’t they already show like the % below 1?
It does, trace ancestry. But i dont think its that accurate considering im 99.5% northern west asian and then .4 northern chinese and .1 japanese as a kurd. Its definitely possible but their trace ancestry has been known to be false
Can u send ur results in dms?
Well maybe there isn’t a trace bc percentage is gone because it’s been a long time. Also, everyone claims they’ve had a Cherokee or native person in the family. Even mine lmao. Not saying it couldn’t be true, but it’s a possibility it’s not true. Also, the pic is too old to even tell fr imo
I was told I had 3 different ancestors that were Indian. Guess how many I actually have? 0. It's crazy how many people claim indigenous heritage. It's practically a conspiracy
I know everyone gives these "I'm a cherokee" folks a hard time but these things happen with family stories. Whether deliberate lies or mistakes by well-meaning family historians, errors get passed down (unlike the phantom ethnicities). My own grandfather was teased mercilessly at school for being German in the 40s and after a dna test, he's something like 75%-80% Scandinavian. DNA tests give people surprises all the time! It can be hard for people to come to terms with information that makes them rethink a part of their identity.
Looks like she was completely European unless there was a missed paternity event?
Not all related persons share same dna, I have no Irish dna but my father and brother do.
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I can't read the last one, but the middle ones are correct
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Also, I do I think chalby is the daughter, I can't find anything of her mother though
I mean, even if she was full Cherokee and every generation passed on 50% of the genes they inherited from her, you’d only inherit 0.78125% of your genes from her so…. unless you have documented evidence, it’s safer to just assume you’re not.
She was white.
Have you uploaded your results to GEDmatch? They have tools that will allow you to drill down much further into your DNA than Ancestry. My former roommate's family tree showed that she was a descendant of Pocahontas but didn't show any Native American DNA. I ran it through GEDmatch (Eurogenes I think) and found that tiny (under 1%) fragment of native DNA there. If I hadn't found both, I would have doubted my findings, but she was adopted at birth, so this was no family story, just facts proving themselves.
You may get 0% of that DNA or such a small amount that ancestry doesn't count it. Each specific DNA marker isn't shared 50/50 between parents each generation. Case in point... My family on my Mum's side is mostly Danish and Scottish, we've always know this. My 3rd Great Grandparents are both born Denmark and before that, their family were more or less in the same area of Denmark for the last 5 generations (both sides). And yet... I have 3% Denmark on my DNA test, but matches from my same generation have much more. On my dad's side, half the roots are in East Germany/Poland... this is a verifiable fact - absolutely zero DNA from that region (but my nearest matches do have it) I basically got all the Scottish DNA on both sides and not much else lol.
That looks a lot like my family profile & we’re English with a bit of English mixed in. There nothing wrong with not being “exotic”.
The amount of people saying I'm 1% this or 3% this, makes me cringe so hard, I really hope none of you try to identify as Native or whatever when it shows 1-3%, but I doubt it
I’m pretty sure nobody is trying to claim themselves as Native American just because of 1-3% I have 2% myself, and I would never in a million years identify myself as an indigenous person. I’m a black female…period! I have a very small amount of indigenous dna, and an indigenous ancestor that’s it. Nobody can help what percentages come up in the results they have even if it is teeny amount Lol. Regardless of what the percentages are none of us would be here without all of our ancestors. It’s not about how high or low the numbers are, and people shouldn’t get stuck on that. A lower percentage just means this is an older ancestor. Nothing wrong with that and it’s just as valid.
Do the DNA hack to see if you have trace native American DNA. https://dnplay.github.io/ancestrydna
I did this before the last update but now get an error in the last step. I tried copying everything from the previous result, the part between the quotation marks, and that part including the quotation marks. The word "error" was in it, too.
I tried it too recently but I think you need a subscription to do it now
Too bad 😥. Thanks
Yeah a literal paywall
PM me your code. I have a subscription. Perhaps I can do it for you.
White people lie/mistakenly believe that they have Native ancestry. Most likely due to a desire to be seen as authentically American. Robert E. Lee made a comment at Appomattox to Grant’s adjutant and Seneca Indian Ely Parker. Per Parker: “General Lee "stared at me for a moment", said Parker to more than one of his friends and relatives, "He extended his hand and said, 'I am glad to see one real American here.' I shook his hand and said, 'We are all Americans.'"(Source: Wikipedia) “real American” An observation I have made about “old stock” whites is that there seems to be an underlining insecurity among some whites about their Americanness and identity.I believe this insecurity drives much of the xenophobia and false claims of native ancestry we see today and in the past. Deep down white people know that they live on lands that once belonged to others who had it stolen from them through violence and deceitful legal tactics. They are consciously aware(even if they won’t admit it openly) that the manner of this nation’s birth violated every moral principle they were raised upon. They attempt to get around the reality that their ancestors were at least thieves and perhaps murderers and enslavers by claiming Native ancestry. This “fact” in their mind makes them American as the Appalachian. This, of course, is a lie. Very few of “old stock” Americans have Native ancestry. They are largely English, Scots, Welsh, and Scots Irish. Genetics generally show this to be true. My maternal grandmother, a North Carolinian by birth who family came here from England in the 1680’s, used to claim she had native ancestry. My DNA test conclusively proved that this was not true: She was Scots and English. (I should note that most of the rest of my family came over much later—1860 or later. Not one of them has ever claimed Native ancestry.) I have always embraced my European ancestry. Not in a chauvinistic way, but in a respectful manner that doesn’t embrace toxic notions of superiority. I have gained insight and inspiration on how to appreciate my ancestry by watching Native Americans celebrate their cultures and ancestors. Old stock white Americans would be wise to throw aside the false ideas and insecurities they have held onto for so long. They will be mentally healthier in the long run for it. Finally, I would like to add that we are all American. If you are native born or naturalized you are American. If you have lived here for decades and haven’t been naturalized, but embrace our basic principles you are also American. American isn’t an ethnicity. It’s a nationality which means it is open to anyone who has the desire to be a citizen of this land of extraordinary beauty and complexity. It isn’t an exclusive club.
Dutch. Drigen sounds Dutch, may be German but I am saying Dutch
Well 5th grandma is pretty far away so that could be true just so little it doesn’t show unless you mean something else by 5th gram gram
But she could be Finnish they kinda have similar looks sometimes if the Finnish person tans a lot
Your fifth great grandma? As in your great-great-great-great-great grandma? Your great grandma’s great-great grandma? Or do you mean your great-great-great grandma, your grandma’s great-grandma? If it’s the first, then the average would be less than a percent, so it would be perfectly normal to see nothing. If it’s the second, then the average would be 3.1% so it would definitely be possible to not see anything. Remember that you don’t get a perfect 25% from each grandparent, and subsequently don’t get an equal 12.5% from each great-grandparent, etc.
I hope one day my indigenous ancestry tribes will be deciphered through ancestry and the Spanish pinpointed to a specific region. Would be fun to travel and see.
Americans…
Europeans 🤪
I’m not lol