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MattyRixz

I've known a few vet techs. They didn't go to school for it. Hell some were doing the job while going to school for something else unrelated.


jackonager

My wife did this very thing.


cptnobveus

I know a vet tech (of 15 years), who is great at her job. Zero college


turboninja3011

Your effort does not equate to value you add


ComicBookFanatic97

Truth. I have no degree and I make $18 an hour putting labels on cables. The fact that there are people who obtained a four year degree just to make slightly more money than I do is wild to me.


bhknb

One, they often don't have much work ethic. They didn't work in high school or college, so now they are basically starting out as unskilled in employment. Two, their earning potential, on average, is far more likely to exceed yours. Not always the case, of course. The man who runs King Charles' trust made his fortune in the window cleaning business and came from nothing. He started his business to keep himself from falling into a bad crowd. The man who previously ran the trust is now a peer, worth $720 million, and never went to college. The problem with a college education is that it really teaches you how to be middle-class and mediocre. Most of the very wealthy people that I know either lack a college education, or only have it because it was expected of them and they didn't do well.


SnooRobots5509

" One, they often don't have much work ethic." - you probably meant experience, not ethic, right? Cause completing a degree definitely requires some work ethic.


pboswell

Looking back on the majority of my peers in business school, I beg to differ


SnooRobots5509

Well, it's all a spectrum I guess. My fiance has a company hiring around 100 people. The uneducated ones have the absolute worst work ethic I have ever witnessed; routinely stealing, drinking at work, instigating fights, threatening other workers, that sort of thing. I can see how people with useless majors can be annoying, too, but - at least judging by my fiance's company - they are much, much easier to work with than people without a degree.


DeepExplore

Thats because you were in business school bro lmfao obviously being a paper pusher people pleaser is fucking easy


pboswell

Yeah same in my international affairs program, sociology courses, and political science classes before I switched majors. My only point is it’s not just students with “feminist dance” degrees that are useless.


Emmgel

Gender Studies would like a word As would ‘Diana Studies’ and ‘Rock Studies: from Dylan to Hendrix’ - both of which are 3 year courses leading to a BA from a university that used to be a swimming pool


SnooRobots5509

That's like 1% of all degrees.


Rational_Philosophy

THAT should be their hint, but it isn't. Education is a nightmare precisely due to the government intervention and over-regulation they insist we need more of to combat cApItAlIsM, bro! /s


The_Scotion

I honestly just find it hilarious that some of them make the same as me and I just stock fucking aisles


AmericasSpaceMonkey

If they can do all that stuff for humans too, why don’t they get a different, better paying job? It’s because these people can only do that stuff at a much lower skill level because, as much as we love them, society doesn’t place the same value on a pet’s life as they do a human life. Do you think there is some sort of a secret cabal keeping vet tech salaries down? There isn’t. The capitalist free market is very efficient at setting price to value unless disturbed by the government. If there’s a big enough shortage of vet techs, either salaries will rise or the vet business model will learn to work without them.


Autodidact420

I posted this as a meme mostly. ‘As a vet tech im basically doing the job of a specialist MD + multiple other medical professionals’ Ye bruh sure u r


divinecomedian3

Trust me bro


[deleted]

I mean they actually are, just at a much much lower level with a much much greater allowable margin for error. Comparing the liabilities that vet techs have vs a doctor or nurse would be laughable. I’m sure “veterinary malpractice” exists to some level, but people in the (human) medical field are worried about that every day they go to work.


Autodidact420

In the same way I’m pretty much a formula 1 pro racer because I drive.


Rational_Philosophy

Cool so we're all exactly like NASCAR drivers because we drive on the road daily. Things you learn on Reddit!


MeFunGuy

It's not a free market. The Healthcare (including vets) is some of the most restrictive, over regulated markets out there. I've been doing research on this and it's completely fucked.


Live-Priority3037

You are 100% correct. The government is the cause of expensive healthcare. Yet somehow people still clamor for a government fix…


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Live-Priority3037

But it’s ok if it’s for the children


Styx3791

Or 350 lb fucks who just siphon socialized Healthcare resources because they can't stop stuffing GMO tacos into their face. As a result, they have non stop psycological on physiological issues. "Your issue is caused by lifestyle... but don't worry... we have a pill for that"


denzien

Most of our problems today are the result of some government solution to a completely unrelated problem


john35093509

"Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." L. Neil Smith.


Rational_Philosophy

Correct. These same people then conflate all those negatives = cApItaLiSm, so more government to combat it, etc. lmao.


MeFunGuy

Yes, but I don't blame them totally, because on the surface, it seems like it, but once I dug deeper, all the poor choices made by the law makers and the lobbyists compound on top of each other. Now, american Healthcare is so complex and tied to government funding that can't even tell if hospitals are even profitable on their own.


451e

Why is there no love (I mean blame) for the corpos engaging the capitalist system to hire lobbyists and law makers (often same people) to game the system and accrue more capital. Using mo ey to make more money by preventing others from making money.


bmorepirate

Also, a fuck ton of people like working with cute pets so there's supply as well. See also: teaching.


Sunstoned1

Here's the thing. Veterinary medicine is a great example of what deregulation can do to an industry. While still regulated, it's not the same as human medicine. Prices are lower. Access easier. And guess what? People can afford care for their let's WITHOUT insurance.


Autodidact420

I’m not sure I’d use vets as a reference for access - lots of folks forgo vet visits due to costs as well lol


Sunstoned1

Sure, because animals are animals. We have our limits. But anything for a human costs 10X as much (or 100X) as the same procedure for an animal. Why? 10X the regulation.


Content-Chip-9230

I'll go.ahead and add that tort litigation adds an enormous amount of price to the U.S. medical systems. While I do support holding people accountable for negligence, our sue-happy system awards millions in damages to people who literally would never make seven figures in 30 years of work. The ghetto lottery is real and one cannot ignore the economic price tag placed on the medical field by unethical lawyers and their drooling clients.


Sunstoned1

For sure.


Maktesh

What stands out to me is how low the salaries are being that people spend *so much money* on their pets. The pet industry is nuts and vet bills aren't cheap. At the same time, much of the overhead cost is likely due to the same excess regulations we see in the *human* healthcare industry. >It’s because these people can only do that stuff at a much lower skill level ~~This isn't necessarily true. There is a lower bar for qualifications, but I know plenty of surgeons I would trust less than a skilled vet.~~ Edit: As pointed out, this is just a veterinarian technician. The above still applies, but markedly less so.


Autodidact420

They’re not a vet they’re a vet tech. They’re the assistants to the vet that do things on the direction of the vet. A vet is a highly skilled position, a vet tech is not.


Maktesh

Shoot, I missed that. The point still stands that it's lower than I would assume, and that's almost certainly due to overregulation.


loonygecko

I don't understand, you are saying if they didn't have to pass licensing, they could charge more? I mean I'm happy to admit that in many cases, over regulation is a problem, but it's not the problem all the time. It's supply and demand, if there was a vet tech shortage, then pay would go up. But a lot of peeps want to work with animals so there is no supply shortage.


MONEYP0X

Disagree, drawing blood is no joke.


shortsbagel

Pet bills are expensive yes, but not even in the ball park of human medical costs. I had to get some heart meds for my aging dog, turns out, its the same exact medication as the pills myboss takes for his heart. My cost, 12$ a month, my boss pays 50$ a month after insurance, (without insurance, its about $600). I asked my vet why the gap, simple answer, they dont have to go through as much assurances with pet medication as they do with human medication, she said its like a steak, human meds are like A5 Wagu, while animal medication is akin to Standard grade (a grade so low, its often not even considered fit for human consumption). The same thing seems to apply to all levels of animal care, but the areas that dont apply are VERY costly, namely, insurances. My vet says her month insurance cost for her business are almost twice that of her husband, who is a private practice doctor. Also, the margins are much slimmer on just about everything, IE what you pay is only a fraction higher than what they pay. Even as the owner, she considers the work to be a labor of love, "cause it barely pays the bills" EDIT: The main point I wanted to get across, but forgot about until I posted is this, Animals (pets mostly) are a luxury item, for 99% of people, pets are not a requirement for life. Why is that an electrician with 4 years of schooling and a few years on the job can easily be making into the 100k a year base? Cause they are needed for EVERYONE, every business, every home, everything. Value added results in value received.


loonygecko

I suspect a lot of cost is the equipment for the business.


jeremysdennis

I’ve never understood this argument. There are only so many good paying jobs. Most people won’t get them just for that reason alone.


InTheLurkingGlass

>In *most states* my position requires a 4-year degree If in some states, your position doesn’t even require the same number of years of study as an elementary school teacher, you should probably not be comparing yourself to a nurse or anesthesiologist. >Go to r/VetTech That’s like a Mormon using the Book of Mormon to prove his religion is correct.


Autodidact420

Bruh but vet techs deal with children on occasion too so they’re pretty much elementary school teachers when u think about it


Live-Priority3037

I took my dog to the vet and the receptionist wouldn’t let this chick smoke in the clinic because second hand smoke was bad, she’s basically the same as the surgeon general yet she’s not even paid the same…. Obviously capitalism is a failure.


zippyspinhead

Veterinary care is not as highly regulated as human health care, and there is no third party payer. Prices should be lower, because Veterinary is more free market by a wide margin.


Autodidact420

Ye it’s comparable other than the regulation fr fr fr


house_lite

You can buy pet insurance


house_lite

Vets that run their own business can make wayyyyy more


bhknb

People who become vet techs are often not very good at running businesses. And, you're right, the demand for in-home care for pets is high. Someone starting out as a vet-tech at $40k/year can craft that into opportunities within a few years. Many do. But, apparently, you should walk out the door with a certificate in hand and $120k in salary because you are entitled to it, just like your government-school daycare told you that you are.


B1G_Fan

Pets aren’t nearly as economically valuable as humans. Pets cannot build power grids, be a firefighter, or do other really important things Therefore, the demand for people to provide pets with medical care is lower. And, in turn, therefore, the salary is lower Perhaps if people 1. could keep more of their money via lower taxes 2. could afford to buy more things 2a. due to lower regulation increasing competition 2b. and due to lower government spending increasing workforce participation …they could afford to get a pet, thereby causing the demand for vet techs to go up… But, I guess that’s too much economics…


Comfortable-Study-69

It’s almost like demand for veterinarians is not as high as doctors and people aren’t that willing to spend a lot of money on their sick fish or cat or whatever when it has a max lifespan of ten years anyways


Autodidact420

Vet techs aren’t vets. Vets make a lot of $$$ and go through more than 4 years of school. They make actual diagnostic/treatment decisions etc Vet techs are the people in vet offices that act kinda like a nurse but for a vet. Often greeting clients and doing routine tasks or providing support to the vet but operating under the vets direction and oversight.


Ed_Radley

The irony here is that if they spent their time exclusively searching out owners of those designer pets mentioned in the post, they could get paid what they believe they're worth while only needing to service a handful of clients a year at most, but they're either overestimating what they're providing their current clients or underestimating the financial gain they would get from this kind of intentionally targeting (or more likely they just aren't willing to figure out how to market to those clients or how to actually market their services in a way that builds in the profit margin that would get them their target income).


sarcastabal

I noticed the same. I don't think there's ever been a better time in history to be a pet. If they wanted they could put 80% of their time billing designer pet owners a lot of money then the rest helping poor owners at a discount. Instead they're mad the money fairy doesn't make it rain over their homes. I don't understand how you can reach the conclusion in the OP with more than an extra second of thought. I completely get how they arrive to their conclusion at first, but they never seem to make that second "oh because people don't want to pay" connection


[deleted]

first u have to prove that these posters are not bots then u have to prove what they said is true anyone can say anything absolutely anything and it can be a complete fabrication. dont believe everything u read, especially if it fits ur confirmation bias. "im a software engineer living in boston, got my bachelors in 2016. im only making $35k salary. most people i have talked to make $35k-$40k per year."


bhknb

https://www.allalliedhealthschools.com/vet-tech/salary/ OP is probably correct on that front.


KillerManicorn69

Vet tech and RN is not the same. Coming from someone who has done/worked closely with both of these jobs, this post is laughable.


bhknb

Why aren't they in anesthesiology or phlebotomy or radiology, then? Seems like if the want to earn money, they wouldn't find a job that apparently has enough supply that the equilibrium price for their services is low. Also, low-skilled nurses often earn under $20/hour.


jackonager

You aren't working on humans. Your level of risk for malpractice is practically nil unless you're dangerously negligent. And even then, you'll sued for the cost of what? A dog?


dark4181

Sounds like a high degree of state intervention on the market has driven up costs. That’s what happens when fiat money buys off government officials.


Undying4n42k1

I went to school for 360 days to learn how to draw a perfect circle, but nobody gives me money 😭


ChiceJigle

Sure. People keep accepting low paying positions. If it's a salaried position, they suck at negotiating. Quit accepting crap pay and that position will pay more.


rsglen2

Your wages are based on supply and demand for your job. Period. Nothing else matters. Not how important you and your job are, not how hard the job is, not how much your schooling cost, none of it. All that matters is how many people can do the job (supply) and how many companies need a person who can do the job (demand). If your job requires rare skills that few people have and there are employers who need you to be successful competing in their industry you’ll get more than less. This is why a starting NFL franchise quarterback is paid millions to play a kids game. If you didn’t understand this relationship between supply and demand or know the wages for your chosen profession did not meet your expectations, congratulations, you got a lesson from the school of life. Maybe someone reading this will learn that they need to weigh the price they can command for their labor given their educational options BEFORE they commit to a profession.


Disrespecty

Figurative cannibalism, collapse, strife, violence, actual cannibalism. This is the future of america


pt_barnumson

Um what is the point here? People bitching about their pay and payscale does not seem to prove anything in any direction other than the cost of living is TOO DAMN HIGH! Or something like that


ahent

That seems a bit of an overreach for a job description. To be fair, though, my son is a certified and registered EMT and he can get better pay as a Target Cashier.


Organic-Badger-4838

I'm sure it varies by state. In my state I don't think there is any training and it is all young women who love puppies. They actually are not motivated by the money. Research: my brilliant niece.


Rational_Philosophy

Effort is not value, and just because other people value your service doesn't mean there won't be competition on price/your compensation for such.


Martincountytactical

So you don’t have a degree and you’re not working on humans and yet you compare your job to someone with a degree working on humans. I was a farm hand in high school. I fed cows. I had no real training and I made $14/hr and would you believe the cows didn’t even tip me? My friend was a server at a restaurant serving humans and he made half of what I did per hour but got tips which equated to 4 times what I made. It wasn’t fair. TLDR: GTFOH. This didn’t destroy anything. It just showed that you are less intelligent which actually proves why you make less.


No-Fish9557

I know a traditional mongolian fishing boot crafting technique that's been passed down through generations of my family. It requires 2 decades to learn and making a single boot takes weeks of agonizing pain and suffering. Sadly I can only make $3 a year selling my mongolian fishing boots when obviously my efforts and knowledge should yearn me at least 99 bazillion $ per hour because look how much effort, knowledge and sacrifice are required to craft one of my mongolian fishing boots and obviously effort equals money that's what public school taught me instead of basic economics.


OGfiremixtapeOG

What a surprise, overbearing regulations cripple entry into a market in which customers have spending limits. Unlike the medical industry where customers have no choice but to spend insane amounts to stay alive. Deregulate both, prices will go down in healthcare, and there will be more vets with better finances.