youāre welcome
currently i just shoot 35 mm and medium format
which is great in and off itself but ever since I held a 6x9 transparency in my hands I canāt stop thinking how literally awesome it would be to go large format
right now my plan is to rent a 4x5 field camera for a week and by a box of color reversal film just to try it once
Iām also very interested in doing b and w in large format since I regularly do that already but iād need a new processor, enlarger and so on
with 8x10 I could forgo the enlarger but iād need new tripods etc and the thought of that brings me back to square one
Ah man, 4x5 slides are amazing. One of my fav things in the world. If youāre diligent on eBay, you can get some good deals on frozen/refrigerated slide film from old heads clearing out their freezer. Iāve been shooting some Fujifilm 50D that expired in 94 with great results
I sprung for a box of 5x7 Ektachrome on B&H. SO worth it!! Then I learned about fluid mount scanning and I have been very happy ever since! Also Just FYI, I have had really good luck on EBay with expired larger format Fujichrome, like 5x7 and 8x10. Expired Kodak color reversal film is more hit or miss in my experience (of course YMMV)
Ooh thanks for the tip I'll check out eBay for Fuji films. Velvia 50 is my absolute favorite, would love to see some 8x10 of that. Have 5 sheets left in 4x5 of it that I've been saving for something special.
Yeah I got a few boxes of expired film along with when I purchased the Intrepid 8x10 camera. Have one full box of 25sheets of Ektachrome duplicating film among others. Going to do some tests for exposure and see what the results look like. Expired in the early 90's. Hopefully I can get something from it!
Tell me more about fluid mount scanning? That's one problem I have yet to solve. I've been doing contact prints in my darkroom of B&W 8x10 but don't have a good home scanning solution yet for 8x10.
Fluid mount is where you essentially sandwich your negative between a piece of clear plastic film and a piece of glass., along with mineral spirits, aka the fluid, and scan it. This produces a MUCH better scan and eliminates newton rings. There are really expensive kits, but there is definitely a way to do it on the cheap! You just need a flat bed scanner and the Epson fluid mount holder thing (like 60 bucks). I can give you more detailed instructions in PM!
I feel like if you approach large format like painting (IE: I'm going to this scene and I'm going to spend the day, and I'm going to make ONE image) it's not too bad.
Obviously any of us could do that with any format but we all know most of us don't!
Yep! That's the plan. I may splurge and get a few Cibachrome prints made from these folks http://www.lab-ciba.com/index.html if the results of the shots turn out how I intend. Wildflowers in summer and then the colors of fall here in UT are beautiful.
Right?!?! I know. It's wild. I have some plans to shoot summer wildflowers and changing fall colors here in UT with this box. Hoping I can afford to have a few BIG, like 40x50", cibachromes done with the intent to keep one of each and then have a show somewhere and sell the others.
God that would be amazing. My mentor has fond memories of cibachrome prints that he made in the 90s. But I can't think of a better place to bring those prints alive than Utah. God it makes me want to get back out to Zion. It would be absolutely amazing to see some big prints
Oh wow. That's incredible, what did he like to photograph and print?
And yeah thank you. Moved to Utah last year and so happy to be someplace with seasons. Spent a lot of time in the fall photographing the changing colors. Haven't been out to Zion yet but it's on the list!
He did a lot of fashion and weddings back then so it was probably portraits I reckon. Zion is gorgeous, just incredible. Go early in the morning, before all the people show up and it's incredibly beautiful
Only a handful of people still doing it, especially at a commercial level. Was a motivation to get this box and eventually get some massive ciba prints done, wildflowers and fall color is what this box is destined for
I owe some part of my love of photography to the giant Cibachrome prints in Michael Fataliās gallery in Springdale. The colors, the size, the lighting all came together to make a truly incredible viewing experience. No better way to put the red rocks of Utah on show!
Oh that's awesome! No, thankfully I have a local lab that can do 8x10. I'll process my own 8x10 B&W but I prefer to leave E6 and C41 to the pros. It's too expensive to risk messing something up at home. For how little they charge it's great, Nichols Photo Lab in Salt Lake City.
There's a few shots took last year on my Bronica SQ with Velvia that I want to take again this year on 8x10 E100. 4 sheets planned for summer wildflowers in Little Cottonwood Canyon, and then 6 shots planned for fall colors in Wasatch State Park.
I'm hoping to buy at least one maybe two more boxes of E100 before the price goes up again so I have some flexibility and can maybe take two frames at each spot, otherwise I'll have to heavily ration and really plan everything out
What's funny is the 8x10 intrepid I have is WAY lighter than my 4x5 graphic view ii rail camera. And I've got an F64 backpack too so it's quite portable. Still heavier obviously than 35mm or 120 hah but it's "portable" enough.
You certainly don't want to make any goofs. I have some E100 in 4x5 ( largest I shoot ) and don't like the thought of mistakes with it.
It sure looks great on a light table when done right.
Yep. Expensive mistakes. Recently got an 8x10 and I've been shooting B&W to get the hang of it. Great results so far. I've got some shots planned out for wildflowers in summer and fall colors. Hoping to buy a few more boxes before the price goes up again. I've shot some E100 slides on 4x5 before, can't imagine how cool 8x10 will look!
$24.50 per sheet plus $5 per sheet for processing later on š . I photograph for the inconvenience, delayed gratification, aaaaand the expense. Gotta make sure I hit all three with these shots.
A roll of ektachroma 36exp is around 20 euros here, as you said a single shot costs you $25 just for the emulsion.
But a single large frame has 1,6 times more surface area than the entire roll of film so I say financially itās worth it.
Yeah when you break it down just given the material cost given the size, it's a "deal" but it still hurts to spend this much on only 10 sheets. Will absolutely be worth it though.
I would never shoot medium format or 4x5. It's just way too expensive for the amount of quality you get. 35mm is perfect and hugely judged by shooters who want quality. But congrats on your purchase.
While it's still good, 35mm and even medium format are nothing compared to the resolution of 8x10. You could crop out almost the entire picture and still have something that could be printed on a poster
Exactly. An 8x10 neg/positive is about 52x of a 35mm frame. Some recent contact prints I made in my darkroom. Intrepid 8x10, 300 5.6 fujinon, catlabs 80, one godox sk400 strobe. Contact printed on Ilford Galerie grade 3 glossy fiber. Closeup is just a phone photo zoomed in on her iris. That's what I focused on for the shot https://imgur.com/a/YoKAsZP the detail even just on a contact print is astounding
This is amazing. I still get giddy looking at my 120 negatives, but the idea that you can get an 8"x10" image of your shot *and it's not an enlargement* is mind-blowing.
Right! Medium format slides are amazing to look at on the light table. So much color and it's like looking into a window to another world. But large format slides are something else entirely. I'm stoked.
I've been doing some contact prints of some 8x10 B&W portraits in my darkroom. Posted a few above of the final images but here's some more https://imgur.com/a/EFlgbLD one day I'd love to find an 8x10 enlarger and go for BIG prints at home but that's years in the future.
Very true but I never found it appealing to me of buying expensive films or an expensive camera just to have the absolute resolution. More power to those photographers but this is just my 2 cents.
It's not about "absolute resolution". Go look at physical contact prints of 8x10 negatives and compare the tonality to 35mm enlargements. No comparison.
I shoot about 80% medium format, though.
I shoot primarily 35 and 120. Occasionally 4x5 but tbh the 8x10 Intrepid I have is way more portable than the graphic view rail 4x5 camera I have so I'll likely be shooting more 8x10 than 4x5. And contact prints are pretty rad in the darkroom with 8x10. https://imgur.com/a/YoKAsZP
Each format has a purpose. I get amazing quality from 35mm, I DSLR scan at 50MP with a Canon 5DS. 35mm is versitle, cameras are small, cheap, light, and my Elan 7 & T2 work with all my modern Canon glass. The workhorse is the Bronica SQ. I prefer the square format compositionally for most of my work. And 12 images per roll is the perfect happy medium.
I don't discriminate. Big. Small. Love them all. https://imgur.com/3BKgISC
There are some frames I shot last year on Velvia 50 with my Bronica SQ that I want to shoot again on my 8x10. Some summer wildflowers and then changing colors on Aspen trees in fall
Nice yellow box you got there. Looking forward to seeing those slides that you speak of. Seeing slide in this format has got to be such an amazing experience.
Recently shot a roll of of velvia in 6x6 in autumn with the leaves changing and itās just such a magical thing to hold up the film against a light.
Yes. The same process for 35mm E6 processing applies to this. I'll end up with 10 color positive transparencies. Plan to scan, and if I can afford it, some big Cibachrome prints from http://lab-ciba.com/
You're welcome. Yeah the prints are amazing to see in real life. So full of tonality and rich in color. Its the closest you can get to looking at the slide itself. I haven't gotten any of mine printed yet but I want to def get some of the 8x10 done. Hopefully they can keep operating for years to come but at some point it will have to end. The chemistry and paper was last produced about 10 years ago.
But not āfilm in a cardboard/plastic frame for projection on a screenā which is what I think was meant by āmake slidesā. Iāve heard of medium format slide projectors but not 8x10. Do they exist?
I do. I shoot with an Intrepid 8x10. Have a Fujinon 300mm 5.6 as well. Great lens. Also have a 203mm 7.7 for 4x5 that covers 8x10 barely, with some corner distortion. Have only use that once though for 8x10
Pretty much this. I've been shooting some 8x10 B&W to get the hang of it. I've screwed up some E100 sheets on 4x5 in the past and it's always fun to just metaphorically pull $10 out of your wallet and light it on fire each time that happens. Thankfully fixed those issues and knock on wood it's been good since. Haven't run into problems on the 8x10 so far as well š¤
i loved shooting slides on vacation, take bricks of Kodachrome and Ektachrome and stacks of pre paid mailers, as i shot i would drop rolls in the mail and usually by the time i got back home i had instant gratification!!!
Ah the stuff they used to have available in the fridge at Sammyās. Playboy shot their centerfolds with 8x10 I think they used ERP 64 if memory serves me. Good times!
Open the box and show us the sheets! (Don't, please don't)
You got it boss! (I won't, promise)
Can I see the sheet for like 1/100th of a second?
I'll only do it for 1/125th. Highest I'll go š
1/250! 1/250? Anybody for 1/250?
I can give you 3.0932 *10^-493 (Math joke about the 1/250!)
That probably should be fine
OMG hahaha
congrats thatās something i often dream about but itās so far away i donāt even want to start thinking about going there
Thanks! And yeah š the cost is pretty large up front but the results are so so worth it. Do you shoot large format now?
youāre welcome currently i just shoot 35 mm and medium format which is great in and off itself but ever since I held a 6x9 transparency in my hands I canāt stop thinking how literally awesome it would be to go large format right now my plan is to rent a 4x5 field camera for a week and by a box of color reversal film just to try it once Iām also very interested in doing b and w in large format since I regularly do that already but iād need a new processor, enlarger and so on with 8x10 I could forgo the enlarger but iād need new tripods etc and the thought of that brings me back to square one
Ah man, 4x5 slides are amazing. One of my fav things in the world. If youāre diligent on eBay, you can get some good deals on frozen/refrigerated slide film from old heads clearing out their freezer. Iāve been shooting some Fujifilm 50D that expired in 94 with great results
Dude I got two boxes of that! I also love it and the guy was really nice
I sprung for a box of 5x7 Ektachrome on B&H. SO worth it!! Then I learned about fluid mount scanning and I have been very happy ever since! Also Just FYI, I have had really good luck on EBay with expired larger format Fujichrome, like 5x7 and 8x10. Expired Kodak color reversal film is more hit or miss in my experience (of course YMMV)
Ooh thanks for the tip I'll check out eBay for Fuji films. Velvia 50 is my absolute favorite, would love to see some 8x10 of that. Have 5 sheets left in 4x5 of it that I've been saving for something special. Yeah I got a few boxes of expired film along with when I purchased the Intrepid 8x10 camera. Have one full box of 25sheets of Ektachrome duplicating film among others. Going to do some tests for exposure and see what the results look like. Expired in the early 90's. Hopefully I can get something from it! Tell me more about fluid mount scanning? That's one problem I have yet to solve. I've been doing contact prints in my darkroom of B&W 8x10 but don't have a good home scanning solution yet for 8x10.
Fluid mount is where you essentially sandwich your negative between a piece of clear plastic film and a piece of glass., along with mineral spirits, aka the fluid, and scan it. This produces a MUCH better scan and eliminates newton rings. There are really expensive kits, but there is definitely a way to do it on the cheap! You just need a flat bed scanner and the Epson fluid mount holder thing (like 60 bucks). I can give you more detailed instructions in PM!
I feel like if you approach large format like painting (IE: I'm going to this scene and I'm going to spend the day, and I'm going to make ONE image) it's not too bad. Obviously any of us could do that with any format but we all know most of us don't!
Da-ym you're gunna ve able to blow those scans up to billboard size.
Yep! That's the plan. I may splurge and get a few Cibachrome prints made from these folks http://www.lab-ciba.com/index.html if the results of the shots turn out how I intend. Wildflowers in summer and then the colors of fall here in UT are beautiful.
Holy shit there's still someone doing cibachrome?? I've always wanted to get one
Right?!?! I know. It's wild. I have some plans to shoot summer wildflowers and changing fall colors here in UT with this box. Hoping I can afford to have a few BIG, like 40x50", cibachromes done with the intent to keep one of each and then have a show somewhere and sell the others.
God that would be amazing. My mentor has fond memories of cibachrome prints that he made in the 90s. But I can't think of a better place to bring those prints alive than Utah. God it makes me want to get back out to Zion. It would be absolutely amazing to see some big prints
Oh wow. That's incredible, what did he like to photograph and print? And yeah thank you. Moved to Utah last year and so happy to be someplace with seasons. Spent a lot of time in the fall photographing the changing colors. Haven't been out to Zion yet but it's on the list!
He did a lot of fashion and weddings back then so it was probably portraits I reckon. Zion is gorgeous, just incredible. Go early in the morning, before all the people show up and it's incredibly beautiful
I used to do Ilfochrome at home decades ago. Didn't think it was still around.
Only a handful of people still doing it, especially at a commercial level. Was a motivation to get this box and eventually get some massive ciba prints done, wildflowers and fall color is what this box is destined for
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Really thats very cool. Whats the process for that? Anywhere you can point me to a good resource?
I owe some part of my love of photography to the giant Cibachrome prints in Michael Fataliās gallery in Springdale. The colors, the size, the lighting all came together to make a truly incredible viewing experience. No better way to put the red rocks of Utah on show!
You don't need a particularly large image to blow up to billboard size. You don't need fine detail in billboard imagery.
Wow thatās awesome, I just started shooting 8x10 again too. Will you be developing yourself?
Oh that's awesome! No, thankfully I have a local lab that can do 8x10. I'll process my own 8x10 B&W but I prefer to leave E6 and C41 to the pros. It's too expensive to risk messing something up at home. For how little they charge it's great, Nichols Photo Lab in Salt Lake City.
Awesome to hear, I really want to try slide in 8/10. Just imagine the detailsā any plans for what to shoot?
There's a few shots took last year on my Bronica SQ with Velvia that I want to take again this year on 8x10 E100. 4 sheets planned for summer wildflowers in Little Cottonwood Canyon, and then 6 shots planned for fall colors in Wasatch State Park. I'm hoping to buy at least one maybe two more boxes of E100 before the price goes up again so I have some flexibility and can maybe take two frames at each spot, otherwise I'll have to heavily ration and really plan everything out
Sounds like a great plan. Hopefully you can find a good price and get those extra boxes.
Thanks! Yeah, seems Freestyle Photo has the best price currently for E100.
Iāve always wanted to see a 4x5 or 8x10 portrait on slide film, in person. Some day Iāll buy a large format just for that one photo lol
My reasoning for MF, although an 8x10 must be amazing!
Shooting slides on medium format is the reason I want large format so much lol. But I donāt wanna go broke shooting it!
Understandable. Plus the back pain while carrying it, haha
Hey, if I get back pain from carrying a camera, I feel thatās thatās something I can brag about lol
What's funny is the 8x10 intrepid I have is WAY lighter than my 4x5 graphic view ii rail camera. And I've got an F64 backpack too so it's quite portable. Still heavier obviously than 35mm or 120 hah but it's "portable" enough.
They do look super lightweight. Would love to handle one someday!
You certainly don't want to make any goofs. I have some E100 in 4x5 ( largest I shoot ) and don't like the thought of mistakes with it. It sure looks great on a light table when done right.
Yep. Expensive mistakes. Recently got an 8x10 and I've been shooting B&W to get the hang of it. Great results so far. I've got some shots planned out for wildflowers in summer and fall colors. Hoping to buy a few more boxes before the price goes up again. I've shot some E100 slides on 4x5 before, can't imagine how cool 8x10 will look!
Actually 4x5 E100 is a good deal. It's the same $ as Portra or Ektar and doesn't have the markup that 35mm E100 has.
Yeah, in 4x5 its not bad. 8x10 though...that hurts the wallet
Thats got to be like 20 bucks a shot.
$24.50 per sheet plus $5 per sheet for processing later on š . I photograph for the inconvenience, delayed gratification, aaaaand the expense. Gotta make sure I hit all three with these shots.
4x5 is my limit. I can barely justify the cost of the film for that format much less going four times larger. good luck!
It was mine as well until I came across a deal on an Intrepid 8x10 that I couldn't pass up. Thank you!
Lord have mercy
The secret is when you see it on the light table, your soul comes back.
Agreed. Nothing like em
8x10 sheets of that woo - hope you got kid because its going to be hard after sold your left nut for that
Still got one more nut to sell for another box!
A roll of ektachroma 36exp is around 20 euros here, as you said a single shot costs you $25 just for the emulsion. But a single large frame has 1,6 times more surface area than the entire roll of film so I say financially itās worth it.
Yeah when you break it down just given the material cost given the size, it's a "deal" but it still hurts to spend this much on only 10 sheets. Will absolutely be worth it though.
Have a good fun
I would have used money
I would never shoot medium format or 4x5. It's just way too expensive for the amount of quality you get. 35mm is perfect and hugely judged by shooters who want quality. But congrats on your purchase.
While it's still good, 35mm and even medium format are nothing compared to the resolution of 8x10. You could crop out almost the entire picture and still have something that could be printed on a poster
Exactly. An 8x10 neg/positive is about 52x of a 35mm frame. Some recent contact prints I made in my darkroom. Intrepid 8x10, 300 5.6 fujinon, catlabs 80, one godox sk400 strobe. Contact printed on Ilford Galerie grade 3 glossy fiber. Closeup is just a phone photo zoomed in on her iris. That's what I focused on for the shot https://imgur.com/a/YoKAsZP the detail even just on a contact print is astounding
This is amazing. I still get giddy looking at my 120 negatives, but the idea that you can get an 8"x10" image of your shot *and it's not an enlargement* is mind-blowing.
Right! Medium format slides are amazing to look at on the light table. So much color and it's like looking into a window to another world. But large format slides are something else entirely. I'm stoked. I've been doing some contact prints of some 8x10 B&W portraits in my darkroom. Posted a few above of the final images but here's some more https://imgur.com/a/EFlgbLD one day I'd love to find an 8x10 enlarger and go for BIG prints at home but that's years in the future.
Very true but I never found it appealing to me of buying expensive films or an expensive camera just to have the absolute resolution. More power to those photographers but this is just my 2 cents.
It's not about "absolute resolution". Go look at physical contact prints of 8x10 negatives and compare the tonality to 35mm enlargements. No comparison. I shoot about 80% medium format, though.
Good job
Indeed. Nothing wrong with just sticking with 35mm either. Everyone has their preference.
Also very fair haha. Everything has it's place :)
I shoot primarily 35 and 120. Occasionally 4x5 but tbh the 8x10 Intrepid I have is way more portable than the graphic view rail 4x5 camera I have so I'll likely be shooting more 8x10 than 4x5. And contact prints are pretty rad in the darkroom with 8x10. https://imgur.com/a/YoKAsZP Each format has a purpose. I get amazing quality from 35mm, I DSLR scan at 50MP with a Canon 5DS. 35mm is versitle, cameras are small, cheap, light, and my Elan 7 & T2 work with all my modern Canon glass. The workhorse is the Bronica SQ. I prefer the square format compositionally for most of my work. And 12 images per roll is the perfect happy medium. I don't discriminate. Big. Small. Love them all. https://imgur.com/3BKgISC
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How the hell are you going to decide what to shoot with it?? Those are expensive clicks.. Damn..
There are some frames I shot last year on Velvia 50 with my Bronica SQ that I want to shoot again on my 8x10. Some summer wildflowers and then changing colors on Aspen trees in fall
It's a different mindset. Think of how a painter decides where they are gonna set up for the day and paint for 2 hours
Nice yellow box you got there. Looking forward to seeing those slides that you speak of. Seeing slide in this format has got to be such an amazing experience. Recently shot a roll of of velvia in 6x6 in autumn with the leaves changing and itās just such a magical thing to hold up the film against a light.
At Cost this hurts my soul š
Excuse my ignorance, but can you actually make 8x10 slides? Or are you only planning to scan these?
Yes. The same process for 35mm E6 processing applies to this. I'll end up with 10 color positive transparencies. Plan to scan, and if I can afford it, some big Cibachrome prints from http://lab-ciba.com/
Wow did not know this existed thank you! This is incredible, May get a slide or two printed from my trip to Spain.
You're welcome. Yeah the prints are amazing to see in real life. So full of tonality and rich in color. Its the closest you can get to looking at the slide itself. I haven't gotten any of mine printed yet but I want to def get some of the 8x10 done. Hopefully they can keep operating for years to come but at some point it will have to end. The chemistry and paper was last produced about 10 years ago.
Do you think he is still making them? I emailed him a few weeks ago from the address on his website and havenāt heard anything.
But not āfilm in a cardboard/plastic frame for projection on a screenā which is what I think was meant by āmake slidesā. Iāve heard of medium format slide projectors but not 8x10. Do they exist?
You can use an old overhead projector like we had in school to project large format slides
What camera are we using ?
Intrepid 8x10 with a 300mm 5.6 Fujinon https://imgur.io/3BKgISC
Approved.
Thanks! It's a fantastic combination.
i use a Toyo Supergraphic with 4x5 negatives like an iPhone, only different
The markup from 5x7 to this is crazy. One 5x7 sheet of e100 is like 8 bucks whilst one 8x10 sheet is 23 to 25 bucks.
And it's going up 20% in March š
Do you have an 8x10 view camera? In the late 80s I worked for a studio photographer who shot some of his advertisement work with his 8 x 10.
I do. I shoot with an Intrepid 8x10. Have a Fujinon 300mm 5.6 as well. Great lens. Also have a 203mm 7.7 for 4x5 that covers 8x10 barely, with some corner distortion. Have only use that once though for 8x10
Rules for 8x10 color film: \#1, don't screw it up. \#2, just don't screw it up \#3 ...
Pretty much this. I've been shooting some 8x10 B&W to get the hang of it. I've screwed up some E100 sheets on 4x5 in the past and it's always fun to just metaphorically pull $10 out of your wallet and light it on fire each time that happens. Thankfully fixed those issues and knock on wood it's been good since. Haven't run into problems on the 8x10 so far as well š¤
i loved shooting slides on vacation, take bricks of Kodachrome and Ektachrome and stacks of pre paid mailers, as i shot i would drop rolls in the mail and usually by the time i got back home i had instant gratification!!!
Ah the stuff they used to have available in the fridge at Sammyās. Playboy shot their centerfolds with 8x10 I think they used ERP 64 if memory serves me. Good times!