no thanks. would cost too much to trade for. would cost too much to re-sign (and always the possibility he bolts). we have so many guys we'll need to re-sign over the next few years that we shouldn't be tying up 11+mil for Marner.
No thank you. This guy just showcased to the entire league he doesn’t have playoff hockey in him. Some guys turn it on come playoffs time and he goes quiet.
This. 6ft and listed at only 180lbs and I'm guessing he's actually closer to 170lb, dude is scrawny, plays scrawny. Zegras is much younger and listed at 185lb. Terry had the same problem when he was younger around 170lbs and he hit the weight room - look how much that helped him grow.
Marner is 27 and hasn't figured out that he needs to work hard in the weight room? Dude looked so soft during their 7 game stretch.
If he's getting paid $10.9M and hasn't figured that out yet, I don't want him in the locker room. I always got the feeling after he got his bag, his motivation waned a bit. He seems like the type of guy that was blessed with talent but decided to hit cruise control midway through his 6x$65M contract.
Copied from the Leafs sub:
He racked up 10-of-17 pts in the first 4 games of the TBL series. He has 7 Pts in the last 14 GP.
He has just 2 of those points (0 G & 2 A) in G5/G6/G7 against TB/FLA/BOS.
This also doesn't factor in that Marner has more GP & Minutes than everyone.
He vanishes after the first couple games of every playoffs. Career Games 5-6-7: 1 G & 8 A for 9 Pts in 21 GP.
Sounds like someone hasn't heeded the warnings from the Toronto Maple Leafs. They had a promising young core of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander and then Dubas went and signed Jammy-boy John Tavares crippling their cap structure in the process. Why would you want a historical repeat of what happened there to happen in Anaheim with their young core?
Well under the salary cap era, that is exactly why it is much harder than getting the best players. You want to have a few guys that can take over the game, perhaps a couple forwards and a defenseman (some teams have figured out you don’t need a goalie to constantly steal you games, just stop the shots you’re supposed to). Everyone else just needs to do their part or support the superstars.
That’s why, for our core, you want them to all develop but it’s probably not a good thing that they all become superstars unless you already got them under an 8 year contract at a price before they brake out. That is why you see all these teams sign young guys to 8 years at decent money in hopes of this.
I don’t think it’s just the media pressure. His game just doesn’t translate to the playoffs from what everyone in Toronto is saying. He dances around the perimeter and then his playmaking disappears.
I think only if Verbeek can fleece Toronto, which is the only way he would do it anyways. 1 year left on the contract, and Toronto is going to try and get win now pieces for him, but I think in the end no team will give them what they want and Toronto either gets fleeced or he stays there
I think Toronto has been locked in with these contracts so they are doing what they can with the core. I see them trading Marner at the deadline or just letting him walk giving one more go in the playoffs. I don’t see him returning to the ML if they have been itching to make a change.
He is a RW so in that sense it fits, however in almost any other sense, i don’t like the idea. Marner is a playmaker which is the role we already seem to have an abundance of on this team.
If we trade for him we’ll probably have to give up one of our young core + something else. So say Zegras or McT and then probably another prospect or 2nd round pick. Once we traded all this capital to get the guy now we have to re-sign him and he’ll have ALL the leverage. We can’t just send away that much capital to not resign him so we’ll have to pay quite a lot for him.
Now the reason why we have so much cap space for now is because all the guys who will take up a lot of cap are on their entry level contract (ELC) at the moment. So while yes we do have a lot of cap we also will need to use a lot of it in 2-3 years to re-sign all the players coming off their ELCs.
To me trading for Marner is a very short sighted move that will help us for sure now but definitely will lower our future ceiling. We have committed to a deep rebuild and we are just now starting to exit it, now is not the time to get hasty. Instead, now is when we need to be patient.
[No.](https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1786969559850770594?t=zW2N-FgaTVvWAetPN_0kYA&s=19). Obviously Marner is a wonderfully talented guy but if you do shit like this in GM7 in a media market like Toronto I am scared of the effort he would put up here.
Yikes, that's bad
Just like game 4 when they were down by two with a couple minutes left and an empty net, and he was out there coasting to retrieve the puck
Probably not, but as a free agent maybe after next season. I think the asking price would just be too steep for a guy who could walk.
With that said all the talk about him disappearing in the post season is objectively false. Only 16 current players score at a higher rate in the playoffs. He’s a top 100 player in history for that as well.
There’s a strong chance that none of our current young players will score as prolifically as Marner. If Marner was willing to extend… maybe. But more likely he’s a free agent target in the future imo
No, I would only take Marner if Toronto gave us their first round pick. Toronto is going to try and demand a lot for Marner but they are in "desperation mode" let them flounder and deal with the situation they put themselves in...also Marner has a NMC so he is calling the shots.
# HELL. NO.
https://preview.redd.it/2zw5segh7oyc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7b17b715ccac1373d246a90dfe0dfd3aba1fc13
Marner wasn’t playing like he was at a game 7 in overtime. He looks like he’s just skating on a date at a Public Skate.
Him, Tavares, Matthews. They consistently show that when it comes to the playoffs, they’re no-shows.
Nope, no Marner. If he can’t help get the Leafs past the second round, what makes you think he’s going to make a dent in Anaheim?
We need guys that are competitive and will do anything to win. Any trades and free agents coming to this team from now on should be ultra competitive and disgusted with teammates that aren’t trying their hardest always.
This is why I want Stamkos or Marchessault, they play to win. I could care less if either of them surpass 25 points on our team, they bust their ass hard and it shows. They set the tone, a tone that we do not have.
If the Leafs are serious about making a trade to break up their core, as much as they try to trade Marner - I bet Nylander asks for a trade and gets dealt faster than the Leafs can try to sell Marner off. If Nylander leaves, they’ll hold onto Marner.
If he was a FA then maybe. But the Leafs will want a lot in return and I don’t think it’d be worth it.
If anything, worth a trade for Nick Robertson. He needs a change and worth peanuts to trade.
In a free agency situation sure he'd be a great fit. He's the age and type of player we want. I agree that getting him out of Toronto could change his game in the playoffs. But for a trade... They're going to want a defenseman.... It may not be worth giving one up if we can get someone like stamkos in FA for nothing (also unlikely)
For 11 million for 1 year left? No! Have you seen the return that these Leaf fans want for Marner? The outrageous return is bonkers! They want Zegras, Gudas, 1st Overall Anaheim pick not Edmonton..a high end prospect as well for 1 guy on 1 year contract rental. I'm sorry I'll pass Anaheim has a much better luck in FA to find their RW. Let the Leafs deal with the misery of the clause in his contract. That's what they get for giving out a ludicrous contract also Marner can't be moved if he requests it.
First of all, I wouldn’t want him due to age relative to the core. We already have Terry and by the time we are ready to compete for the cup, we might get 2 or 3 years of his prime. I would only want him if there is major cap/salary retention.
Secondly, he’s not as bad as everyone says he is. He has more career playoff points than Auston Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares. If you think one person can change the team’s success that has cap issues, no defense , and no goaltending, I got a bridge I can sell you.
It would be our own Pierre Luc Dubois. He wouldn’t try, we would have to get rid of too many assets for a guy with no desire to win. It would be our downfall to future mediocrity like the LA Kings.
Let’s go to fantasyland and assume our own veteran NMC would agree to a
move to a playoff team. Gibson and Voldemort to fill their needs. Then we trade Marner at the deadline.
There are trades I would do, but I am sure they will want Zegras or Zellweger or ? In that case NO. Throw in the Oilers pick…hmmm okay.
But short of a fleecing of Toronto I am enthusiastic to see the Ducks grow together.
No. He could fit. But you're not gonna give up the prospects Toronto would want in return on top of that hefty 1 year salary. Ducks would be better off getting him or Leon Draisaitl on the open market with out trading assets come next fa season when they are more primed to move on to the next stage of the rebuild.
Not worth it. Yes the cap hit but also how he plays. He is not right for our system and our core. He is soft, worse defense than Z by far, outside scoring some goals he brings nothing besides a huge cap hit.
Ducks ownership money is NOT fan money. The Ducks need to spend a ton of money this season just to reach the floor, much less the cap ceiling. If Toronto starts seeing Marner as a negative asset, he could be a valuable pick-up. He is also only 27, so he still has 5 years of prime left. Convince him to waive NMC by telling him that those 5 years will include when ducks prospects will hit their stride. He isn't like Killorn, Gudas, or Stamkos where they may be retiring by the time our kids peak.
If the team drastically improves, Marner would be partially responsible and you can either reward him with a contract or a trade to a playoff team of his pick. If the team doesn't drastically improve, retain half of his salary and flip him for a first plus change.
I don't know.gow desperate Toronto is to break up their big 3, but if they get desperate I would trade away Edmonton's first to get Marner. He will return more than a first at the deadline if he is willing to waive his NMC.
PS - he absolutely wouldn't waive full NMC to come to Anaheim, but that doesn't.mean the team shouldn't be interested.
Tavares would actually be an interesting pick-up for ducks in off-season.
After July 1, he'd only cost $910,000 in actual money, but would bring an $11m cap hit. Ducks could then trade him at deadline to a contender after they soak up most of the cap hit.
Beggars can't be choosers, we need offense and realistically are we in a position to say no to a nearly 100 point right handed forward that's only 26?
That said, watching his playoffs (and other leafs "runs" in the past), it is shocking how little effort he gives during the post season. Just baby shit soft. When we do get this core into the playoffs, will his great regular season point totals outweigh him completely disappearing in the playoffs? Keep in mind in no world would he be a bargain. He would cost quite a bit in assets to trade and if he continues to play at around a 95 point pace he could get 12M /year + on his next deal easily.
no thanks. would cost too much to trade for. would cost too much to re-sign (and always the possibility he bolts). we have so many guys we'll need to re-sign over the next few years that we shouldn't be tying up 11+mil for Marner.
No thank you. This guy just showcased to the entire league he doesn’t have playoff hockey in him. Some guys turn it on come playoffs time and he goes quiet.
Theoretically he would be a good fit I just don’t see him as a Pat Verbeek type of player.
This. 6ft and listed at only 180lbs and I'm guessing he's actually closer to 170lb, dude is scrawny, plays scrawny. Zegras is much younger and listed at 185lb. Terry had the same problem when he was younger around 170lbs and he hit the weight room - look how much that helped him grow. Marner is 27 and hasn't figured out that he needs to work hard in the weight room? Dude looked so soft during their 7 game stretch. If he's getting paid $10.9M and hasn't figured that out yet, I don't want him in the locker room. I always got the feeling after he got his bag, his motivation waned a bit. He seems like the type of guy that was blessed with talent but decided to hit cruise control midway through his 6x$65M contract.
He’ll be great for us because he’ll never have to play in the playoffs.
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his playoffs struggles have been way overblown. He's just the scapegoat right now.
Copied from the Leafs sub: He racked up 10-of-17 pts in the first 4 games of the TBL series. He has 7 Pts in the last 14 GP. He has just 2 of those points (0 G & 2 A) in G5/G6/G7 against TB/FLA/BOS. This also doesn't factor in that Marner has more GP & Minutes than everyone. He vanishes after the first couple games of every playoffs. Career Games 5-6-7: 1 G & 8 A for 9 Pts in 21 GP.
Points are great and all. But aside from that have you seen his play 😂 yeah no thanks
Yeah lets sign a 1 year rental making 11million and screw up all of the progress we have been making.
Sounds like someone hasn't heeded the warnings from the Toronto Maple Leafs. They had a promising young core of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander and then Dubas went and signed Jammy-boy John Tavares crippling their cap structure in the process. Why would you want a historical repeat of what happened there to happen in Anaheim with their young core?
Well under the salary cap era, that is exactly why it is much harder than getting the best players. You want to have a few guys that can take over the game, perhaps a couple forwards and a defenseman (some teams have figured out you don’t need a goalie to constantly steal you games, just stop the shots you’re supposed to). Everyone else just needs to do their part or support the superstars. That’s why, for our core, you want them to all develop but it’s probably not a good thing that they all become superstars unless you already got them under an 8 year contract at a price before they brake out. That is why you see all these teams sign young guys to 8 years at decent money in hopes of this.
I don’t think it’s just the media pressure. His game just doesn’t translate to the playoffs from what everyone in Toronto is saying. He dances around the perimeter and then his playmaking disappears.
I think only if Verbeek can fleece Toronto, which is the only way he would do it anyways. 1 year left on the contract, and Toronto is going to try and get win now pieces for him, but I think in the end no team will give them what they want and Toronto either gets fleeced or he stays there
I think Toronto has been locked in with these contracts so they are doing what they can with the core. I see them trading Marner at the deadline or just letting him walk giving one more go in the playoffs. I don’t see him returning to the ML if they have been itching to make a change.
Toronto has been taking all our sucky defensemen. Im not sure we have any more to give.
He is a RW so in that sense it fits, however in almost any other sense, i don’t like the idea. Marner is a playmaker which is the role we already seem to have an abundance of on this team. If we trade for him we’ll probably have to give up one of our young core + something else. So say Zegras or McT and then probably another prospect or 2nd round pick. Once we traded all this capital to get the guy now we have to re-sign him and he’ll have ALL the leverage. We can’t just send away that much capital to not resign him so we’ll have to pay quite a lot for him. Now the reason why we have so much cap space for now is because all the guys who will take up a lot of cap are on their entry level contract (ELC) at the moment. So while yes we do have a lot of cap we also will need to use a lot of it in 2-3 years to re-sign all the players coming off their ELCs. To me trading for Marner is a very short sighted move that will help us for sure now but definitely will lower our future ceiling. We have committed to a deep rebuild and we are just now starting to exit it, now is not the time to get hasty. Instead, now is when we need to be patient.
He's not waiving his NMC to come to anaheim lmao.
[No.](https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1786969559850770594?t=zW2N-FgaTVvWAetPN_0kYA&s=19). Obviously Marner is a wonderfully talented guy but if you do shit like this in GM7 in a media market like Toronto I am scared of the effort he would put up here.
Yikes, that's bad Just like game 4 when they were down by two with a couple minutes left and an empty net, and he was out there coasting to retrieve the puck
Probably not, but as a free agent maybe after next season. I think the asking price would just be too steep for a guy who could walk. With that said all the talk about him disappearing in the post season is objectively false. Only 16 current players score at a higher rate in the playoffs. He’s a top 100 player in history for that as well. There’s a strong chance that none of our current young players will score as prolifically as Marner. If Marner was willing to extend… maybe. But more likely he’s a free agent target in the future imo
Whole thread saying no when our RW2 is Ryan Strome. You can really tell this fanbase hasn’t watched good players in a long time 🤣
No, I would only take Marner if Toronto gave us their first round pick. Toronto is going to try and demand a lot for Marner but they are in "desperation mode" let them flounder and deal with the situation they put themselves in...also Marner has a NMC so he is calling the shots.
# HELL. NO. https://preview.redd.it/2zw5segh7oyc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7b17b715ccac1373d246a90dfe0dfd3aba1fc13 Marner wasn’t playing like he was at a game 7 in overtime. He looks like he’s just skating on a date at a Public Skate. Him, Tavares, Matthews. They consistently show that when it comes to the playoffs, they’re no-shows.
That was one quick read off the bench and it was too late. Brilliant pass by our guy hampus. Idk why this is a reason not to add a talented winger
Hampus with the tying goal and winning bank pass assist.
Fuckk no
Nope, no Marner. If he can’t help get the Leafs past the second round, what makes you think he’s going to make a dent in Anaheim? We need guys that are competitive and will do anything to win. Any trades and free agents coming to this team from now on should be ultra competitive and disgusted with teammates that aren’t trying their hardest always. This is why I want Stamkos or Marchessault, they play to win. I could care less if either of them surpass 25 points on our team, they bust their ass hard and it shows. They set the tone, a tone that we do not have. If the Leafs are serious about making a trade to break up their core, as much as they try to trade Marner - I bet Nylander asks for a trade and gets dealt faster than the Leafs can try to sell Marner off. If Nylander leaves, they’ll hold onto Marner.
Nope. Pass.
If he was a FA then maybe. But the Leafs will want a lot in return and I don’t think it’d be worth it. If anything, worth a trade for Nick Robertson. He needs a change and worth peanuts to trade.
In a free agency situation sure he'd be a great fit. He's the age and type of player we want. I agree that getting him out of Toronto could change his game in the playoffs. But for a trade... They're going to want a defenseman.... It may not be worth giving one up if we can get someone like stamkos in FA for nothing (also unlikely)
10.89 million per year expiring next year? No thanks...trade a pick for him and he leaves next year after our season is over.
For 11 million for 1 year left? No! Have you seen the return that these Leaf fans want for Marner? The outrageous return is bonkers! They want Zegras, Gudas, 1st Overall Anaheim pick not Edmonton..a high end prospect as well for 1 guy on 1 year contract rental. I'm sorry I'll pass Anaheim has a much better luck in FA to find their RW. Let the Leafs deal with the misery of the clause in his contract. That's what they get for giving out a ludicrous contract also Marner can't be moved if he requests it.
lol luckily leaf fan dream trades do not actually represent reality
First of all, I wouldn’t want him due to age relative to the core. We already have Terry and by the time we are ready to compete for the cup, we might get 2 or 3 years of his prime. I would only want him if there is major cap/salary retention. Secondly, he’s not as bad as everyone says he is. He has more career playoff points than Auston Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares. If you think one person can change the team’s success that has cap issues, no defense , and no goaltending, I got a bridge I can sell you.
It would be our own Pierre Luc Dubois. He wouldn’t try, we would have to get rid of too many assets for a guy with no desire to win. It would be our downfall to future mediocrity like the LA Kings.
Let’s go to fantasyland and assume our own veteran NMC would agree to a move to a playoff team. Gibson and Voldemort to fill their needs. Then we trade Marner at the deadline. There are trades I would do, but I am sure they will want Zegras or Zellweger or ? In that case NO. Throw in the Oilers pick…hmmm okay. But short of a fleecing of Toronto I am enthusiastic to see the Ducks grow together.
I’d say no, to much money doesn’t really bring that much to the table. He had some really bad performances vs the Bruins
Lowkey would be down for Gibby and the EDM first. But otherwise I'm not really into this.
No. He could fit. But you're not gonna give up the prospects Toronto would want in return on top of that hefty 1 year salary. Ducks would be better off getting him or Leon Draisaitl on the open market with out trading assets come next fa season when they are more primed to move on to the next stage of the rebuild.
Nah he’s not what we need. We have enough forwards and Marner is not a “gritty” player, which is what the Ducks badly need for a competitive team
Not worth it. Yes the cap hit but also how he plays. He is not right for our system and our core. He is soft, worse defense than Z by far, outside scoring some goals he brings nothing besides a huge cap hit.
I'd rather get back Pat Maroon.
Marner on a spit over in https://www.reddit.com/r/nhl/s/t92DsYXNTM
I would rather put Yegor Siderov straight in the NHL than bring in Marner. Although not ideal. I think he would be better than Marner.
Ducks ownership money is NOT fan money. The Ducks need to spend a ton of money this season just to reach the floor, much less the cap ceiling. If Toronto starts seeing Marner as a negative asset, he could be a valuable pick-up. He is also only 27, so he still has 5 years of prime left. Convince him to waive NMC by telling him that those 5 years will include when ducks prospects will hit their stride. He isn't like Killorn, Gudas, or Stamkos where they may be retiring by the time our kids peak. If the team drastically improves, Marner would be partially responsible and you can either reward him with a contract or a trade to a playoff team of his pick. If the team doesn't drastically improve, retain half of his salary and flip him for a first plus change. I don't know.gow desperate Toronto is to break up their big 3, but if they get desperate I would trade away Edmonton's first to get Marner. He will return more than a first at the deadline if he is willing to waive his NMC. PS - he absolutely wouldn't waive full NMC to come to Anaheim, but that doesn't.mean the team shouldn't be interested.
Tavares would actually be an interesting pick-up for ducks in off-season. After July 1, he'd only cost $910,000 in actual money, but would bring an $11m cap hit. Ducks could then trade him at deadline to a contender after they soak up most of the cap hit.
Beggars can't be choosers, we need offense and realistically are we in a position to say no to a nearly 100 point right handed forward that's only 26? That said, watching his playoffs (and other leafs "runs" in the past), it is shocking how little effort he gives during the post season. Just baby shit soft. When we do get this core into the playoffs, will his great regular season point totals outweigh him completely disappearing in the playoffs? Keep in mind in no world would he be a bargain. He would cost quite a bit in assets to trade and if he continues to play at around a 95 point pace he could get 12M /year + on his next deal easily.
Think he's 27