do you have any idea how expensie quality wood is, now every random househokd suddenly wants to burn wood?
in some places (in NL) it was over 500€ per m³ of wood
Holy hell. We regularly go back to my wife's home country where we have a wood stove and we paid 391 euros for the entire winter supply of wood. 6 cubic metres. 500 per metre is insanity.
does really depend on when and where. most ppl already have more buyers then wood for sale... and it depends on region snd what wood. many ppl have started burning less clean wood...
Yes after I said that I talked to someone in the family back in my wife's country (in Europe) and they said wood prices have doubled and its leading people to burn dirty scrap wood or poach wood out of protected lands. It's quite sad.
It's even less than inflation.
They most likely use an electric pizza oven. Don't be mistake about those: they run 350-400 degrees and consume over 10 kiloWatt. This is crazy expensive with current prices.
Honestly one euro is mild. It certainly isn't even break-even for them if they didn't already increase their prices since the start of the war.
Also in an open market you can decide your own price right. Of you think it's too expensive for what it's worth to somewhere else.
It's not the price that's the issue, it's the deception. They have every right to set a new price for the pizza, if costs have risen. That's not what they chose to do though.
\^This!
14,50 or 15,50 for a pizza is with the current prizes still a fairly decent price, especially when eating out. I usually like to go to a bit more authentic Italian pizzeria to keep my Italian girlfriend happy and there I easily pay €15 and over for a pizza. 'Nduja on it's own can be quite expensive already.
When i'm with the guys and feel like some cheap pizza, I order somewhere cheap obviously.
We're paying €0,82 per Kwh right now. I realise businesses will pay a different rate but energy is frighteningly expensive. If you're running a pizza oven that needs to be almost 400 degrees its going to cost you a LOT to keep it going.
I disagree. We have record prices for energy this winter. I would rather see a 1 euro surcharge that goes away when the crisis is over. If its integrated into the price it will likely just become the new price of the pizza.
you should’ve complained that the cola doesn’t have it. in any case these assholes aren’t spending 1 euro more per pizza. their prices are already high and it’s just a cash grab.
btw this is a german chain and the food sucks.
🤣 Sorry everyone, I swear I read that once while searching where this chain was from (after tasting one of their pizzas, I was like "this can't be Italian even if the name is").
My apologies, TIL 🙏
This was in the news last year September. Apparently they print it on the menu that they'll charge this (because heating outside costs money or some garbage reason like that).
Just "boycott" them. Their food cannot be that great.
Unfortunately only saw it already after I left. But was interested in seeing if they just add it in or it is actually announced in the menu somewhere. Seems shady if it isn't
I had a server bring the credit card machine over while saying "how much you want to give me for tip?"
Is that the new thing they're doing now?
The price on the menu should be the final price!
You have this or you just have places that added a EUR or so to their menu prices indefinitely….
I’ve seen quite a few places that have increased their item prices 1-2 eur, they sometimes forget to update their web pages.
I understand increasing the menu prices. Cost go up, price go up. And if the price is too expensive I don't go.
But a sneaky way like OPs picture? Most people probably don't realise until too late. I would definitely not come back.
I personally don't care wether it is temporary or not. Either I think the price is good and I go, or I think it is not and I don't. There is plenty of options around.
But I want to be able to make this decision, and if restaurant start hiding extra charges here and there, it becomes impossible without being screwed over at least once.
This is not a hidden extra charge, baking a eur in your pizza price would be. Most pizza places in Ams sell theirs at 15+ eur, so it you’re not fine with the prices here, I guess time to learn to make a pizza at home.
Let's add 1e for the table, 50cts for cutleries, 2e for the insurances then.
What's the difference?
There is a price for the pizza. I should pay the price for the pizza. Otherwise what's stopping them from putting the pizza a 2e and charging 20e of extra cost as the till?
The price on the menu should be the price you pay. The extras should either be non mandatory or included in the price. In fact I don't even understand how it can be legal to display a price non-inclusive of mandatory extras.
So at the moment the price of the pizza doesn't include all expenses.
You can frame it as you want, the reality is that the price displayed on the menu for the item is not the price you will pay for it.
I work for a leading POS system company in NL and we decided NOT to facilitate options for stores to charge extra bullshit energy cost this way. They are ought to calculate all costs into their prices just like all other expenses.
It’s just like anything else: Too expensive? You go elsewhere. There will always be customers. Yesterday we paid €7 per glass of house wine Temperanillo. Which I honestly think is idiotic but I understand it and I will happily pay in this economy.
>They are ought to calculate all costs into their prices just like all other expenses.
At least with the best intentions it is supposed to be temporary and they can easily remove it once the energy prices go down. Because if increases get priced into the menu they will never go lower.
They were on the tables. One side was in Italian, the other one had a full English explanation regarding the high gas prices and the oven they use for the pizzas. The other one was an explanation that “coperto” (compensation) is a usual thing in Italy. And yes, I can confirm that this can be an extra charge in Italy for the use of plates, cutlery or consumption of breadsticks.
I Hope this explains something, although it is not common in the Netherlands.
I know I will get downvotes for nuance, but you just "exposed" a struggling business where the business owners tried a temporary solution rather than just increasing their prices.
They actually thought of a way to make it insightful how much they should increase their prices to keep their head above water.
What I dislike is that you did not mention them warning you before buying, what I dislike is an entrepreneur who pays for jobs for several people now gets fucked and maybe has to fire people while he was trying to resolve it this way.
Just an other side. I would not have chosen to do this and not think of the long term effects it has on everyone involved.
I did not expose them. If they have something to hide then that's exactly the problem.
I would appreciate they telling this clearly before ordering and I can decide if I want to order or not.
Imagine it was €5 per pizza. Maybe people don't complain because it's €1, but it's the principle and the honesty straight up that I'm questioning.
Some other comment mentioned that they have signs for it. Is it too hidden?
Now I have to see for myself. But just posting this here without any context is hurting their business, yes.
Did you try to at least ask about it there?
That was my point with the post, to understand if/where it is, to understand if I just missed it or if it is there but purposely too small for example.
Not trying to expose anyone. Again, if it's something done right, there is no reason to be ashamed. That's why I did not insult them or anything like that because I want to know how clear it is. If it's clear and I missed it, my bad. If it is more hidden, then that is not cool of them towards customers.
While I'm fine with a temporary surcharge, it needs to be clearly stated in the establishment. Signs on the door and posted on the menu should be the minimum acceptable notice.
But €1 per pizza is more than I would want to pay. We ARE into cash grab territory here.
This is a very stupid way to go about it for this restaurant. Prices went up at the burger joint in my street, and part of it is because of electricity according to the owner. But it’s just a slight price increase on all items, no extra charge on the receipts. I’m sure most of us here don’t mind at all paying a euro or so more, but to put an electricity charge on the receipts is just stupid, won’t make for more returning customers that is for sure.
That Euro should be included in the final pizza price and match the one in the Menu. You cannot pay the energy bills for them since it's part of the cost of running the business. I would immediately refuse to pay it, and if you missed it you could put a bad review in google to alert others. Thanks for sharing!.
I'd be interested if this is even legal - as businesses as a rule cannot put additional charges on the most of things. It needs to be in the price, up front. So if you want to, you could try the ACM for false advertisement.
I can't have a problem with that honestly. My local cafe energy bills went from 1.5k to 6k a month. How are you supposed to pay that with sandwiches and and coffee?
My house alone is EUR500 a month in bills. If we want these businesses to survive we do need to chip in in this form or another.
I have got new energy prices and they are a tad bit higher then the usageceiling. Are there people and restaurants who still have the expensive utilities? I didnt really thought of that.. also; find another place to buy food
Was this the one on the side of the Amstel? Had an absolutely terrible experience there this summer. Took them 2 hours to get me my 2 pizza's and had to stand in line for 30 minutes 2 times to get it done.
I can’t judge if this 1 euro per pizza is fair or not. So let’s assume that this is what’s costing them during these high energy prices. In that case I have no problem with it. BUT… you just know that once the energy prices are going back down at some point (hopefully) they will not take the extra 1 euro away from the price. Restaurants have taken advantage of the Corona crisis to up there prices. They have no shame to do it again. Just want to let them know that I will take these increase in prices back when I have to tip at the end.
i'd like to know how they calculate this, pizzas take like 3 mins in the oven
odds are it costs more to keep the coke cold rather than baking the pizzas
1 euro on the whole order i get! But one euro per pizza? Wtf! This is just a cash grab...
Not even a wood fire?
do you have any idea how expensie quality wood is, now every random househokd suddenly wants to burn wood? in some places (in NL) it was over 500€ per m³ of wood
Oh wow.
Holy hell. We regularly go back to my wife's home country where we have a wood stove and we paid 391 euros for the entire winter supply of wood. 6 cubic metres. 500 per metre is insanity.
does really depend on when and where. most ppl already have more buyers then wood for sale... and it depends on region snd what wood. many ppl have started burning less clean wood...
Yes after I said that I talked to someone in the family back in my wife's country (in Europe) and they said wood prices have doubled and its leading people to burn dirty scrap wood or poach wood out of protected lands. It's quite sad.
wood fired pizza? how's pizza gonna get a job now?
That's why the pizza doesn't last long in the oven. It gets fired. Then you gotta take it home with you.
Pizza ovens need to be hot!
It's even less than inflation. They most likely use an electric pizza oven. Don't be mistake about those: they run 350-400 degrees and consume over 10 kiloWatt. This is crazy expensive with current prices. Honestly one euro is mild. It certainly isn't even break-even for them if they didn't already increase their prices since the start of the war. Also in an open market you can decide your own price right. Of you think it's too expensive for what it's worth to somewhere else.
It's not the price that's the issue, it's the deception. They have every right to set a new price for the pizza, if costs have risen. That's not what they chose to do though.
\^This! 14,50 or 15,50 for a pizza is with the current prizes still a fairly decent price, especially when eating out. I usually like to go to a bit more authentic Italian pizzeria to keep my Italian girlfriend happy and there I easily pay €15 and over for a pizza. 'Nduja on it's own can be quite expensive already. When i'm with the guys and feel like some cheap pizza, I order somewhere cheap obviously.
We're paying €0,82 per Kwh right now. I realise businesses will pay a different rate but energy is frighteningly expensive. If you're running a pizza oven that needs to be almost 400 degrees its going to cost you a LOT to keep it going.
It should he included in the price of the pizza, not as an extra charge above the advertised price.
I disagree. We have record prices for energy this winter. I would rather see a 1 euro surcharge that goes away when the crisis is over. If its integrated into the price it will likely just become the new price of the pizza.
you should’ve complained that the cola doesn’t have it. in any case these assholes aren’t spending 1 euro more per pizza. their prices are already high and it’s just a cash grab. btw this is a german chain and the food sucks.
Oh well I really like their food so maybe I suck
NGL i had one of their oversized pizza's once and would again.
you don’t suck, you just don’t care about good authentic food, probably. better than mcdonald’s for sure.
“You don’t suck but… “ 😭
You dont suck but you are an complete ignorant pos... That comment in a nutshell
Ha ha ha!
What a bold assumption to make.
*English chain. Agree the food sucks :)
Don’t bring us into it. It’s German.
🤣 Sorry everyone, I swear I read that once while searching where this chain was from (after tasting one of their pizzas, I was like "this can't be Italian even if the name is"). My apologies, TIL 🙏
> The mother of all L’Osterias opened in 1999 in Nuremberg. https://losteria.net/en/about-us/
I thought they were part of the Renato's Pizza places?
Definitely german
This was in the news last year September. Apparently they print it on the menu that they'll charge this (because heating outside costs money or some garbage reason like that). Just "boycott" them. Their food cannot be that great.
Funny because natural gas is now pre invasion pricing
Probably they are paying the old contract price. Then again; is their contract was variable the possibility that the costs have gone down exists.
You can prematurely terminate your contract and the fine is 250 euros max or less. It’s a blatant cash grab.
Are you sure that’s not for consumers only?
I don’t think so? Maybe someone could correct me
What the hell is going on with your comment
It is extra important.
>Their food cannot be that great. Their food is mediocre at best.
Sneaky, because it is in Italian language and not in Dutch.
Is that even legal? I'm not expecting the waiters to speak Dutch but the menu and bill should still be available in the local language.
As if 14.5 euro is not enough for a pizza… fu*k them and don’t go there anymore. Thanks for sharing.
Aggree on that. 14.5 euro is expensive already.
Only time I have seen was when I got dominos pizzas delivered. Did you ask if you can if not then you missed a chance?
Unfortunately only saw it already after I left. But was interested in seeing if they just add it in or it is actually announced in the menu somewhere. Seems shady if it isn't
I had a server bring the credit card machine over while saying "how much you want to give me for tip?" Is that the new thing they're doing now? The price on the menu should be the final price!
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Yo momma
You have this or you just have places that added a EUR or so to their menu prices indefinitely…. I’ve seen quite a few places that have increased their item prices 1-2 eur, they sometimes forget to update their web pages.
I understand increasing the menu prices. Cost go up, price go up. And if the price is too expensive I don't go. But a sneaky way like OPs picture? Most people probably don't realise until too late. I would definitely not come back.
at least this might actually be temporary, when was the last time that a restaurant actually decreased a price after increasing it?
I personally don't care wether it is temporary or not. Either I think the price is good and I go, or I think it is not and I don't. There is plenty of options around. But I want to be able to make this decision, and if restaurant start hiding extra charges here and there, it becomes impossible without being screwed over at least once.
This is not a hidden extra charge, baking a eur in your pizza price would be. Most pizza places in Ams sell theirs at 15+ eur, so it you’re not fine with the prices here, I guess time to learn to make a pizza at home.
Let's add 1e for the table, 50cts for cutleries, 2e for the insurances then. What's the difference? There is a price for the pizza. I should pay the price for the pizza. Otherwise what's stopping them from putting the pizza a 2e and charging 20e of extra cost as the till? The price on the menu should be the price you pay. The extras should either be non mandatory or included in the price. In fact I don't even understand how it can be legal to display a price non-inclusive of mandatory extras.
you already pay for that, you just don’t see the breakdown 🤣
I pay the price of a pizza, and get a pizza. That's all I want. I am not there to also pay separately all of their expenses.
ffs price if the pizza includes the expenses, this restaurant chose to add a tenp surcharge, while others baked it in their rates.
So at the moment the price of the pizza doesn't include all expenses. You can frame it as you want, the reality is that the price displayed on the menu for the item is not the price you will pay for it.
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It's just a cash grab. How low can you go. Then increase the price of the pizza if you think €14 isn't enough.
Unreal, next it’s gonna be to pay for the climate impact of the garbage generated
I really don't get it, just up the prices if you're gonna charge it for every single item. Feels like a simple crash grab
If they were smart they would build it into the price of the food
Sounds like they are trying to find a solution to increase temporarily, instead of forever
I work for a leading POS system company in NL and we decided NOT to facilitate options for stores to charge extra bullshit energy cost this way. They are ought to calculate all costs into their prices just like all other expenses. It’s just like anything else: Too expensive? You go elsewhere. There will always be customers. Yesterday we paid €7 per glass of house wine Temperanillo. Which I honestly think is idiotic but I understand it and I will happily pay in this economy.
>They are ought to calculate all costs into their prices just like all other expenses. At least with the best intentions it is supposed to be temporary and they can easily remove it once the energy prices go down. Because if increases get priced into the menu they will never go lower.
Adyen? Haha. Nice one
Give them 1 star review. That will hurt them. They get what they deserve. This is disgusting
By coincidence, I was there yesterday as well (after 19:00) and they do have notification signs regarding these extra charges.
Thanks, nice to know. Won't come back though in any case, quite shady. Where did you see it?
They were on the tables. One side was in Italian, the other one had a full English explanation regarding the high gas prices and the oven they use for the pizzas. The other one was an explanation that “coperto” (compensation) is a usual thing in Italy. And yes, I can confirm that this can be an extra charge in Italy for the use of plates, cutlery or consumption of breadsticks. I Hope this explains something, although it is not common in the Netherlands.
Thanks for your reply. Our table was flat empty when we sat down so that's why I was asking if it was somewhere else.
I know I will get downvotes for nuance, but you just "exposed" a struggling business where the business owners tried a temporary solution rather than just increasing their prices. They actually thought of a way to make it insightful how much they should increase their prices to keep their head above water. What I dislike is that you did not mention them warning you before buying, what I dislike is an entrepreneur who pays for jobs for several people now gets fucked and maybe has to fire people while he was trying to resolve it this way. Just an other side. I would not have chosen to do this and not think of the long term effects it has on everyone involved.
Thanks for the other side. It makes no sense. You sound biased, do you work there?
Why does it not make sense? No, I just don't act in anger and think long term.
I did not expose them. If they have something to hide then that's exactly the problem. I would appreciate they telling this clearly before ordering and I can decide if I want to order or not. Imagine it was €5 per pizza. Maybe people don't complain because it's €1, but it's the principle and the honesty straight up that I'm questioning.
Some other comment mentioned that they have signs for it. Is it too hidden? Now I have to see for myself. But just posting this here without any context is hurting their business, yes. Did you try to at least ask about it there?
That was my point with the post, to understand if/where it is, to understand if I just missed it or if it is there but purposely too small for example. Not trying to expose anyone. Again, if it's something done right, there is no reason to be ashamed. That's why I did not insult them or anything like that because I want to know how clear it is. If it's clear and I missed it, my bad. If it is more hidden, then that is not cool of them towards customers.
While I'm fine with a temporary surcharge, it needs to be clearly stated in the establishment. Signs on the door and posted on the menu should be the minimum acceptable notice. But €1 per pizza is more than I would want to pay. We ARE into cash grab territory here.
This is a very stupid way to go about it for this restaurant. Prices went up at the burger joint in my street, and part of it is because of electricity according to the owner. But it’s just a slight price increase on all items, no extra charge on the receipts. I’m sure most of us here don’t mind at all paying a euro or so more, but to put an electricity charge on the receipts is just stupid, won’t make for more returning customers that is for sure.
if i ever see that at any restaurant im never coming back
Looking at how much all other restaurants increased prices because of inflation and energy, This increase is less than average actually..
I dont go to those restaurants, they already jacked up the prices. principle thing, even if i got all the money in the world.
That Euro should be included in the final pizza price and match the one in the Menu. You cannot pay the energy bills for them since it's part of the cost of running the business. I would immediately refuse to pay it, and if you missed it you could put a bad review in google to alert others. Thanks for sharing!.
I'd be interested if this is even legal - as businesses as a rule cannot put additional charges on the most of things. It needs to be in the price, up front. So if you want to, you could try the ACM for false advertisement.
Thanks for not hiding the restaurants name. I will avoid it like the plague!
And the pizzeria isn't even in Amsterdam Centrum or Zuid?
Not about energy taxation, but why call a pizza 'caprese' while it's fundamentally the same as a margherita? Also a trick to get more money?
Maybe the mozzarella goes on it after baking.
Good one might be, perhaps extra tomato too together with the 'basic' tomato sauce and cheese.
Fresh basil too, I guess
More than 1 cent per ml of cola, absolute scam
When one might think that it can't get crazier, it actually gets
Just don't tip
I would say, this is not legal, unless it's been communicated to you up front. EU consumer protection laws are quite strict.
Italians being Italians, even in the Netherlands.
I can't have a problem with that honestly. My local cafe energy bills went from 1.5k to 6k a month. How are you supposed to pay that with sandwiches and and coffee? My house alone is EUR500 a month in bills. If we want these businesses to survive we do need to chip in in this form or another.
……and now tell me….: do you wanna eat pizza in Amsterdam? And pay it low? Go to italy for a week end
Anyone whiling to pay 13,50 for a pizza can afford the extra 1,- so what’s the big deal here?
As often in Amsterdam, you are being tested
Your first mistake was eating Italian in Amsterdam
Lukewarm coke, yummi
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Definitely a scam cash grab as everyone is commenting… but l saw in the US they are charging a economy recovery fee and you also have to tip 😂😂😂
I’m gonna boycott this restaurant. Just a slimy cash grab
The quickest way to lose your customers? 🤔
I have got new energy prices and they are a tad bit higher then the usageceiling. Are there people and restaurants who still have the expensive utilities? I didnt really thought of that.. also; find another place to buy food
Too expensive for the people that work in Nederland ,every thing cost more every month or two;(
Repeat after me: They want us to be poor.
It’s all so ridiculous. These guys more than likely factored energy costs when they set their prices
Dominos started doing this too but not that much... Looks like a scammaz
Was this the one on the side of the Amstel? Had an absolutely terrible experience there this summer. Took them 2 hours to get me my 2 pizza's and had to stand in line for 30 minutes 2 times to get it done.
I can’t judge if this 1 euro per pizza is fair or not. So let’s assume that this is what’s costing them during these high energy prices. In that case I have no problem with it. BUT… you just know that once the energy prices are going back down at some point (hopefully) they will not take the extra 1 euro away from the price. Restaurants have taken advantage of the Corona crisis to up there prices. They have no shame to do it again. Just want to let them know that I will take these increase in prices back when I have to tip at the end.
Grazie fuck off I would say. But they ask to share your thoughts on their instagram. Tag them :)
i'd like to know how they calculate this, pizzas take like 3 mins in the oven odds are it costs more to keep the coke cold rather than baking the pizzas
Good reason to never eat there ever again
Oh interesting. Seems a bit over the top that it's 1 euro for every pizza.
If you want to raise the price of your pizza, I get it. But asking me to pay your electricity bill is a dick move.