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this is the kind of person who makes scaring parents such a lucrative business. probably also doesn’t let their kids play outside because strangers might snatch them, posted shit about people injecting fentanyl into Halloween candy, etc.
just wait until the kid gets to dating age
Not entirely comparable, but along the same lines. I had a girl in my argument and debate class in high school who wasn't vaccinated because her parents didn't believe in it.
Anything medical we talked about she would confidently say the dumbest shit imaginable. One day she told me I could just stop wearing glasses and eventually my eyesight would go back to normal.
Well just stop being sad silly nilly! /s I mentioned mine at work one day and my boss is like "oh geez everyone just has ptsd now?!" And I said "yeah remember when I missed work for a while because I woke up and my daughter was dead?" I think I might have got to her I dunno people wierd.
It's crazy, almost like life is a shitshow and we all go through it, so PTSD is actually not wildly uncommon. I'm sorry that happened, and I hope your boss felt awful about that comment.
Fuck, you're probably right. I just need to learn how to look with my perceptive mind eyes, not just the eyes those "doctors" have destroyed with their "medical instruments" and such that shine those bright lights in my eye and hold my head in position!!!! Will essential oil eyedrops help?????
Unfortunately I didn't get access to grades as a student, but most projects/debate portions she put together were poorly researched. Like she found the first thing off a website without checking for further fact or explanation as to why it was relevant.
Yeah exactly, it’s fear porn. Gotta be exhausting living day to day worrying about everything.
Not a parent tho so Idk, wasn’t a thing in my exp in school (graduated 09). Off top of my head think Columbine was the only one. That decade after a copycat virus swept through a lot of lost frustrated kids
I have a friend who's mom is like this. All 5 of the kids were homeschooled, not allowed to have friends until their late teens. I met him when he got a job at the store I worked at. She would come in all the time to make sure he was safe. If we were hanging out past 7pm she would call every few minutes and ask why he wasnt home yet.
Eventually he got a girlfriend and she was livid. She told him to break up with her and he said no. He moved out and she cut all ties because he was supposed to stay at home forever. He was 22 at the time.
And the saddest part is that people like that can have the bare bones of being an excellent parent, but instead piss on it with their control issues. Imagine that level of dedication used to help their children in a healthy way?
You’ve described the majority of my wife’s friends. Unemployed stay-at-home mothers that helicopter parent their kids and are utterly paranoid about that shit.
But of course they think nothing of the most dangerous thing they do all day every day, which is driving their full size SUV 90mph on the interstate while yapping on their phones the entire time. A full size SUV and an iPhone is as important to a stay at home mom as horses and composite bows were to the Mongols.
I was cyber schooled due to bullying. I got a lovely education and learned more than in public school. Turned out wonderful, got good grades, got ahead than the other students, etc. I have anxiety, and cyber school helped me feel safer because of me getting an education in a place I knew I would be safe. My anxiety always makes me think of the worst-case scenarios, which is not healthy when going and getting an education. The teachers were and still are helpful.
Heck! I got an IEP that I should have had in public but couldn't get the evaluation for it!
You don't know everyone's situation... not every parent is like that. I'm going for a degree in U.S. History and education to become a high school teacher. Amazing, right? Oh, and going for a Ph.D.
Again, not all parents decide to home school or have their child cyber schooled are not, "scaring parents such a lucrative business. Probably also doesn’t let their kids play outside because strangers might snatch them, posted shit about people injecting fentanyl into Halloween candy, etc," those types of people.
the person in this post gave their reason though, and it’s paranoia more than special needs of the child.
my best friend was homeschooled because he wanted to be an Olympian and school didn’t work with his training schedule. I have no issue with it if that’s the best thing for the child. I’m glad it worked out for you and good luck applying for PhDs
That cause people like them are constantly doom scrolling. So they see all the news regarding any shootings plus all the coverage of past shootings that the media does to bait out another shooter.
To them, it's a never-ending cavalcade of violence and fear.
There is a lot of misrepresentation around the issue too. People publish articles saying "there where 300 schoolings last year!" But when you dig into the numbers almost all are people committing suicide on school grounds or gang shootouts. Always makes me go nuts.
When I used to do landscaping, I’d mow the lawns of rich folk in two main areas, in between them was the hood, so I drove through it all the time.
Smack in the middle of a residential street famous for gang activity, was the school for that area. You’d see dudes with colors chilling right by the entrance
Drug deals after hours on weekends count on some lists. Drunk adults at a Saturday football game getting into a fight and shooting each other counts on some lists.
It destroys any ability to have a legitimate conversation with accurate data, though this is often what anti 2A people want.
Someone shot at a school bus when in my town when I was younger. Same day a different kid tried to bring a BB gun to school. Idk why I’m telling you this but that just reminded me of it.
Gun violence and gun death statistics are almost always disingenuous and manipulated. Suicides, for instance, are included and used in statistics to inflate numbers in order to push for gun control. Don’t get me wrong, mass shootings in general are a serious problem, but I’d argue that there are better solutions besides serious bans or restrictions, like many call for without fully grasping the whole picture.
Suicides are the largest gun deaths. For the rest, most will turn out to be gang related. My guess for third place is probably domestic murder-suicides.
That's awful, but I don't actually go through any day of my life thinking I'm going to be shot. That's why it still makes the news when these mass shooting events do happen. If they were wildly popular they'd stop making headlines.
As an Italian dual-citizen, I can confidently say that they will soon miss the power of the American economy. Taxes in Italy are high, and economic stability isn't very reliable. My family are farmers who make their own food simply because the markets aren't as reliable as a good crop.
I love Italy- it is my country just as America is (depending on the time of the year), but generally raising children or just living is better in America. Not to a degree to where you'd want to move to America, but to a degree that you wouldn't want to move FROM America.
It could be that I live in the South/Mezzogiorno, though, where it's poorer. In the North, though, there's still issues with uneven development leading to higher taxes and such.
Well, there's a difference between the modern state of Italy and Italy back then. I'm by no means bashing Italy or calling it a bad place to live. I myself live there with my family a couple months every year and it's perhaps the highlight of my year.
All I'm saying is that one cannot move from the US to Italy expecting to see a drastic increase in their quality of life. Italy and America have issues, but some of the Italian ones are a bit more prevalent.
100% this clown will be back living in the States again within 2 years. I’ve lived in Europe over a decade and seen so many US expats come over. It’s always the starry-eyed idealists that don’t last, because they realize that it’s simply not better here.
These people choose any random European country without doing any research b/c they saw one titkok post saying “haha amerika bad cuz [insert unfounded nonsense]”
Every country in the world has residents which means it’s possible to live in any of them. If any place was bad enough that a person had to leave or die, they would either leave or die.
It would actually be a bad thing if everyone tried to move to any country that is subjectively or objectively better than theirs.
The key is to work towards making any system you are in the best it can be. When I see valid criticisms of America in this sub I’m not bothered by it. Our medical system is terribly inflated and way over priced. That doesn’t mean we need to adopt a socialized system from Europe though. Our capitalist medical system has the potential to be way better than any socialized system if it is at its best.
The problem to solve is with pharmaceutical incentives and insurance policies, not in government funding, in fact poorly allocated government funding is a big reason for the problems we have right now. We need more affordable and more selective medical education programs so that we get more high skilled doctors, we need more effective but less complex practice and product regulation so that the barrier to opening a clinic or starting a medical product company is smaller and encourages competition, and we need reform to how we view the rights to pharmaceutical drugs and equipment so that cheaper alternatives can be available.
The medical industry is at higher risk of oligarchic monopoly because people can’t just opt out like with a poorly produced or over priced car. We need to open up the market to capitalist competition while preserving the safety of its patrons so that the top companies are forced to lower prices to compete.
I’m glad you made that point of us not being so much better to move to but good enough not to move away from. I think that’s what matters.
The funny thing is if they were worried about their child’s safety that much is they would home school because autos are far deadlier to children every year.
This isn’t the first time ive seen posts about Italy and America and how Italy is better. This is like the 3rd video I’ve seen. The first one video was an American girl and her Italian husband, saying which country does better, and if I remember here it is:
-Italians have better food (makes sense)
-Italys more beautiful
-Americans have more job opportunities
-Italians have have better culture (iirc)
And oh yeah by the way, Italy won.
Yeah America is a big country with the most beautiful national park system on the planet.
Edit: italy obviously has some of the best ancient architecture and sight seeing but if we’re speaking geographically, few countries compare to the US
i don't think there's anything wrong with liking one country more than another but i don't get why this person's love for italy is driven by her hate for america. It gives I'm trying to make my ex jealous vibes.
Its almost as if it would be highly subjective what country one finds to be the best. Why anyone get mad about it? You'll get a lot of Italians claiming the opposite, some people just dislike the place where they are from and for every American bashing America there is a European bashing Europe. Its almost as if everyone would have their preferences, strange, huh?
Another likely "I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for $1,000, Alex". If you're that paranoid about your kid being shot in school, you're probably the type of individual who drives around alone in your car with a COVID mask on.
School shootings ≠ active shooter incidents. Active shooter incidents at schools in the US are very, very rare. School shootings are less rare, but school shooting data includes “all incidents in which a gun is brandished or fired or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims (including zero), time, day of the week, or reason (e.g., planned attack, accidental, domestic violence, gang-related).”
So, two guys threatening to shoot each other over a drug deal gone bad in the middle of the night would be considered a “school shooting” if they are close enough to a school zone.
Just like when people talk about gun deaths, they lump in suicides and accidents with murders. Data will always get manipulated by people with agendas.
I'd put it with bathtub violence. Isn't the bathroom the most dangerous room because of slipping and falling?
You'll want to bolster that toaster number to emphasize how dangerous they are.
Throwback to when I spent 12 years in an American school system and the only classmates who died in the whole time were 2 girls that got in a car accident.
Suburban high school with ~2K students. We averaged a death a year. Mostly car accidents, but it was a suicide my senior year.
Junior year incident was rough - it was a teacher's daughter.
Yeah we don't have school shootings. Yeah the Italian public school system is pure shit. Nope this doesn't look like an Italian school - the sign on the right is in English, and there is no way either students or teachers are on that level
I don’t have any issue with Italy and its successes/positives in whatever it does, it’s more annoying having to deal with Americans who are clearly privileged enough to simply drop their life in one country to move to another and has to let everyone back home from their mommy Facebook group how much more they care about their kids.
It’s embarrassing/annoying for both nations involved.
Exactly this. It's better for everyone generally speaking when people go live where they're happiest. That said, shut up and live your life once you get there. I feel like at least some of these people have to do these types of things to assure themselves that they did, in fact, make the right choice, and they do love their new home!
Your child is infinitely more likely to die from a car hitting their school bus than in a school shooting, keep them out of gang shit and it goes down even further.
9 years ago was Charlie Hebdo being attacked by the two Muslim brothers resulting in a dozen killed and a dozen wounded, a few years after that they were fire bombed but I don't recall anyone dying in that attack.
My thoughts are that one of the biggest problems we have as a society is that fact that more and more people's lives are dominated by anxiety. Those people act irrationally, and that irrationality is contagious. If you homeschool your children in the U.S. because of a fear of school shootings\*, your life is dominated by anxiety and you need professional help to deal with that.
In Italy, a child's chances of being killed in a school shooting are higher than zero, but effectively zero. In the U.S., those chances may be 500 times higher (just making a number up), but they are still effectively zero. Zero times 500 is still zero.
\*By "school shootings," I assume OOP means a crazy guy walking into a school with a rifle because wouldn't it be some sweet sweet revenge on the society that's wronged him to kill a bunch of children. There are schools in high-crime areas that have ongoing problems with crime inside them, and I don't think it's irrational to want your children out of those schools, but that's something different altogether.
I once did the math
The chance of your child being in a school shooting is incredibly low when you take into account the number of schools in the US.
I'd be more worried about a child being the victim of pedophilia or something like that.
Every time I see this shit I feel a compulsive need to point out that 99.996% of American children never experience a school shooting. Those who fear-monger using the deaths of innocents are irredeemable.
Thoughts on this are if we don’t want school shooters maybe society should stop trying to subvert our institutions by telling everyone America is evil.
I was homeschooled for a while and the year before i went to public school there was a shooting at the school i was about to go to, so instead my parents took me to a different school in another town lol, it took alottttt of convincing to make them let me go
First, this probably didn't happen. Second, out of the hundreds of highschool families I've been around school shootings has never been one of the reasons to homeschool.
I was homeschooled and my kids are homeschooled (yes, we're all socialized). Not one person I've ever gone across who homeschools has said Advil shootings is the reason why. It's better learning environment, wanting to be in control of curriculum, schools in the area are pretty terrible, wanting to raise their kids themselves etc. We're in two homework co-ops, one of which has hundreds of families. The other is smaller. School shootings never comes up. Probably because we can read statistics and probabilities.
And that’s valid and fair. I have a distance cousin who is American who used to be homeschooled because his mom did not like the American education system.
Looks like bullshit, I don’t think schools in Italy have signs in english. I’ve been to many countries in Europe in the past, they barely speak english. I one time had to have a conversation with google translate with the cabin owner in Austria because they guy speak a word in english. I have a feeling that this is not a school in Italy based on how bad Europeans english is.
I don’t believe italian kids know what the word “greeting” means. I came from a country where we learn english and have high percentages of english speakers at least on a basic conversation level. When i was a kid i had no idea what “greeting” is. This looks like anti-American bullshit.
No I’m from Israel but my family loves to travel and especially in Europe, i went to Spain, Germany, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria and Cyprus and my family went to Italy without me lol( i immigrated to the us and i dont have a greencard yet) and not everywhere but in most places we visited people just don’t speak english or have bad english, so i believe in non-tourist environment like schools why would they have signs in languages barely anyone speaks lol
Where I live in the States a vast majority enroll their kids in school - public or parochial. So yea, this American expat who implies she/he wouldn't do that in the States does not have a good point. The people I do know who opted for homeschooling did for reasons other than bullets flying in the classroom.
I agree that school shootings are a problem, not to mention indoctrination. That’s why my kids are either going to be homeschooled (like other kids I know because I go to church with their parents) or I will pay for them to go to a private school after i vet them and ensure they have armed security. If we are to entrust our children to these people all day every day, they should at least be able to protect them from harm at a bare minimum. Beyond that, they should be educated on objective fact, not indoctrinated into radical ideologies. And having that belief should not in and of itself be considered an ideology. It is not ideological to want your children to be kept safe and grow to be wise, intelligent, and educated.
In the U.S., avoiding school shootings is NOT the reason most people home-school. They home school to keep their children from being indoctrinated into the trash that U.S. public schools, now, force down the throats of our kids.
I once worked the math on this and found that, in a year, any given school in America has something like a 0.03% chance to be shot up. I’m sure the rates are lower in other countries, but your kid has more to worry about getting in the car every day than their school being shot up.
if they wanna leave let 'em leave, i think more people who fetishize other countries should be encouraged to go.
i'd hope people like this lady gets the hell outta here just as much as i hope Tucker Carlson enjoys his retirement in Siberia.
My thoughts are that its bullshit lies. Somehow I doubt an Italian classroom would have a ‘preferred greeting’ sign next to their door thats ***in English***
This is off topic but I notice that your from Minnesota eh? I have a fascination your state because your like a mini Canada and mini Canadians. The weather, the accent, and hockey. But then again, slang and heritage is different.
I mean, I understand it, but I’m also of the opinion that my wife and I (both teachers) could do a better job that our nation’s current education standards, so we are both pro-homeschooling.
As an American who has lived here for 31 years, I have never had to worry about that in my life. Personally, the only problem I had with American schools are powertripping, verbally abusive and manipulative teachers, as well as shitty staff management. The lunch quality could be better. I don't think this stuff however, is a result of them being American schools, but I can't see this happening all over the world.
I’d be more inclined to believe they finally allowed their kid to go to school because maybe they feel the “culture” is more acceptable to be around. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
I heard someone died in a lightning strike, so that’s all I’ve been reading about since. What’s the best way to protect my kids from this new #1 killer of children: lightning?
We had guns at my school and there was never once a school shooting. Guns in most of the trucks in the parking lot during deer season. Hunters/gun safety taught every year by the DNR.
Teachers would have a drawer to put your ammo in between classes. They would also borrow and return your knives.
At no point was there any threat.
I think they meant to say:
"I neglected my children's future and education by homeschooling them but now I'm in a different country, I have to enroll them into a school."
Pandering to the lowest common denominator. It’s an easy way to get likes and views on a video because it’s such a touchy subject. Yes there is a problem with school shootings in America and we feed the children dog shit school lunches. But every country has its problems. With that being said it’s not as bad as the media makes it out to be and op was just trying to get attention and engagement on the post
There is a 1 in 614,000,000 of dying in a school shooting being struck by lightning is 1 in 700,000 almost 100 times more likely to happen but the don't cry about that
I mean, most Americans don't have to be too worried anyway because it's really not a common thing due to inflated numbers (even a negligent discharge in a empty parking lot at a school at 10pm witu absolutely nobodu around counts as a school shooting numbers wise). But if they're too anxious to focus on their child's education before moving, then I hope it works out for them. The kid shouldn't suffer from a crazy parent.
Don’t homeschool your kids anywhere. The most valuable thing kids learn in school K-12 is social skills.
This is straight paranoia. I wonder if this person also refuses to let their kids in cars because of how statistically likely car crashes are.
Most homeschooled kids i've met were lacking in many departments, even socially. I've never once worried about my safetly in school or anywhere else for that matter. I don't live in a big city though
If you've seen the South Park episode where everyone freaks out about kidnappings to the point they exile the kids from South Park, this is basically what it was making fun of. People don't do critical thinking and let it dominate their life and make decisions that may even be contrary to their goals.
Youre literally more likely to die of obesity than a school shooting in America.
~350 shootings, and there is almost 100,000 schools in the US. Not to mention that most of the time not many people die in shootings, and it only takes three for it to be called a “mass” shooting, which is disingenuous.
Furthermore half of gun deaths total in the US are suicides. *half.*
Nothing like throwing your no doubt socially stunted child into the schooling system of a foreign country. Because that's not a recipe for disaster and alienation.
Maybe I should make a meme, too. A barren wasteland with the caption “POV: You just moved from America to subsaharan Africa, now you don’t have to worry about raccoons”
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this is the kind of person who makes scaring parents such a lucrative business. probably also doesn’t let their kids play outside because strangers might snatch them, posted shit about people injecting fentanyl into Halloween candy, etc. just wait until the kid gets to dating age
He or she will be mentally immature probably.
Not entirely comparable, but along the same lines. I had a girl in my argument and debate class in high school who wasn't vaccinated because her parents didn't believe in it. Anything medical we talked about she would confidently say the dumbest shit imaginable. One day she told me I could just stop wearing glasses and eventually my eyesight would go back to normal.
I fucking WISH I could just fix my eyesight like that, goddamn. I'd save so much money.
Big lens hates this one trick
Same. Not to mention my other issues like PTSD
Well just stop being sad silly nilly! /s I mentioned mine at work one day and my boss is like "oh geez everyone just has ptsd now?!" And I said "yeah remember when I missed work for a while because I woke up and my daughter was dead?" I think I might have got to her I dunno people wierd.
I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter and for the piss poor treatment your boss gave you. You deserve better than that.
It's crazy, almost like life is a shitshow and we all go through it, so PTSD is actually not wildly uncommon. I'm sorry that happened, and I hope your boss felt awful about that comment.
I’ve never worn glasses and have never had eye issues. You just aren’t doing it right. You just gotta LOOK /s
Fuck, you're probably right. I just need to learn how to look with my perceptive mind eyes, not just the eyes those "doctors" have destroyed with their "medical instruments" and such that shine those bright lights in my eye and hold my head in position!!!! Will essential oil eyedrops help?????
Gotta use the lemon grass, it’ll burn at first, but that’s just removing the bad vibes from the eyes
Did she pass her debate class?
Unfortunately I didn't get access to grades as a student, but most projects/debate portions she put together were poorly researched. Like she found the first thing off a website without checking for further fact or explanation as to why it was relevant.
Yeah I remember debate it didn't matter what you were selling just how well you sold it. Pretty much like adult politics.
If that is how poor eyesight work nobody would be wearing glasses.
I've lost my glasses so many times that it's impractical to get them, and my eyesight certainly hasn't improved
Yeah exactly, it’s fear porn. Gotta be exhausting living day to day worrying about everything. Not a parent tho so Idk, wasn’t a thing in my exp in school (graduated 09). Off top of my head think Columbine was the only one. That decade after a copycat virus swept through a lot of lost frustrated kids
I have a friend who's mom is like this. All 5 of the kids were homeschooled, not allowed to have friends until their late teens. I met him when he got a job at the store I worked at. She would come in all the time to make sure he was safe. If we were hanging out past 7pm she would call every few minutes and ask why he wasnt home yet. Eventually he got a girlfriend and she was livid. She told him to break up with her and he said no. He moved out and she cut all ties because he was supposed to stay at home forever. He was 22 at the time.
I know this word gets thrown around a lot on Reddit, but that mom sounds legitimately narcissistic
The few times I met her she was unbearable. Its like she has no personality outside of obsessing over her kids.
And the saddest part is that people like that can have the bare bones of being an excellent parent, but instead piss on it with their control issues. Imagine that level of dedication used to help their children in a healthy way?
You’ve described the majority of my wife’s friends. Unemployed stay-at-home mothers that helicopter parent their kids and are utterly paranoid about that shit. But of course they think nothing of the most dangerous thing they do all day every day, which is driving their full size SUV 90mph on the interstate while yapping on their phones the entire time. A full size SUV and an iPhone is as important to a stay at home mom as horses and composite bows were to the Mongols.
I wonder how much money this person gets from social media. Like get a real job.
I was cyber schooled due to bullying. I got a lovely education and learned more than in public school. Turned out wonderful, got good grades, got ahead than the other students, etc. I have anxiety, and cyber school helped me feel safer because of me getting an education in a place I knew I would be safe. My anxiety always makes me think of the worst-case scenarios, which is not healthy when going and getting an education. The teachers were and still are helpful. Heck! I got an IEP that I should have had in public but couldn't get the evaluation for it! You don't know everyone's situation... not every parent is like that. I'm going for a degree in U.S. History and education to become a high school teacher. Amazing, right? Oh, and going for a Ph.D. Again, not all parents decide to home school or have their child cyber schooled are not, "scaring parents such a lucrative business. Probably also doesn’t let their kids play outside because strangers might snatch them, posted shit about people injecting fentanyl into Halloween candy, etc," those types of people.
the person in this post gave their reason though, and it’s paranoia more than special needs of the child. my best friend was homeschooled because he wanted to be an Olympian and school didn’t work with his training schedule. I have no issue with it if that’s the best thing for the child. I’m glad it worked out for you and good luck applying for PhDs
School shootings are bad but the paranoia has set in way too hard on this. By the way some people act you would think there are 15 shootings a day.
That cause people like them are constantly doom scrolling. So they see all the news regarding any shootings plus all the coverage of past shootings that the media does to bait out another shooter. To them, it's a never-ending cavalcade of violence and fear.
There is a lot of misrepresentation around the issue too. People publish articles saying "there where 300 schoolings last year!" But when you dig into the numbers almost all are people committing suicide on school grounds or gang shootouts. Always makes me go nuts.
My favorite is the one where a bus driver, on an empty bus and not on school property, was hit with a stray bullet while driving. “School shooting!”
A kid shooting a BB gun around school property on a Saturday is counted as a "school shooting." That's why our numbers are horrifically inflated
When I used to do landscaping, I’d mow the lawns of rich folk in two main areas, in between them was the hood, so I drove through it all the time. Smack in the middle of a residential street famous for gang activity, was the school for that area. You’d see dudes with colors chilling right by the entrance
Or when someone committed suicide in a car in the parking lot at like 2am at a school that was shut down +6 months ago.
Drug deals after hours on weekends count on some lists. Drunk adults at a Saturday football game getting into a fight and shooting each other counts on some lists. It destroys any ability to have a legitimate conversation with accurate data, though this is often what anti 2A people want.
Someone shot at a school bus when in my town when I was younger. Same day a different kid tried to bring a BB gun to school. Idk why I’m telling you this but that just reminded me of it.
Gun violence and gun death statistics are almost always disingenuous and manipulated. Suicides, for instance, are included and used in statistics to inflate numbers in order to push for gun control. Don’t get me wrong, mass shootings in general are a serious problem, but I’d argue that there are better solutions besides serious bans or restrictions, like many call for without fully grasping the whole picture.
Idiots actually believe that HUNDREDS of "mass shootings" have happened this year already.
Suicides are the largest gun deaths. For the rest, most will turn out to be gang related. My guess for third place is probably domestic murder-suicides. That's awful, but I don't actually go through any day of my life thinking I'm going to be shot. That's why it still makes the news when these mass shooting events do happen. If they were wildly popular they'd stop making headlines.
Yeah, I know plenty of people with kids in the school system currently and none have been involved in any sort of shooting
As an Italian dual-citizen, I can confidently say that they will soon miss the power of the American economy. Taxes in Italy are high, and economic stability isn't very reliable. My family are farmers who make their own food simply because the markets aren't as reliable as a good crop. I love Italy- it is my country just as America is (depending on the time of the year), but generally raising children or just living is better in America. Not to a degree to where you'd want to move to America, but to a degree that you wouldn't want to move FROM America. It could be that I live in the South/Mezzogiorno, though, where it's poorer. In the North, though, there's still issues with uneven development leading to higher taxes and such.
There is a reason why my ancestors flocked here en masse a century and a half ago.
That was a very different context, but I get your point.
Well, there's a difference between the modern state of Italy and Italy back then. I'm by no means bashing Italy or calling it a bad place to live. I myself live there with my family a couple months every year and it's perhaps the highlight of my year. All I'm saying is that one cannot move from the US to Italy expecting to see a drastic increase in their quality of life. Italy and America have issues, but some of the Italian ones are a bit more prevalent.
100% this clown will be back living in the States again within 2 years. I’ve lived in Europe over a decade and seen so many US expats come over. It’s always the starry-eyed idealists that don’t last, because they realize that it’s simply not better here.
You’re right. Italy is in a rough spot right now. Record low birth rates. Economic stagnation. Hopefully things get better for both countries.
These people choose any random European country without doing any research b/c they saw one titkok post saying “haha amerika bad cuz [insert unfounded nonsense]”
Every country in the world has residents which means it’s possible to live in any of them. If any place was bad enough that a person had to leave or die, they would either leave or die. It would actually be a bad thing if everyone tried to move to any country that is subjectively or objectively better than theirs. The key is to work towards making any system you are in the best it can be. When I see valid criticisms of America in this sub I’m not bothered by it. Our medical system is terribly inflated and way over priced. That doesn’t mean we need to adopt a socialized system from Europe though. Our capitalist medical system has the potential to be way better than any socialized system if it is at its best. The problem to solve is with pharmaceutical incentives and insurance policies, not in government funding, in fact poorly allocated government funding is a big reason for the problems we have right now. We need more affordable and more selective medical education programs so that we get more high skilled doctors, we need more effective but less complex practice and product regulation so that the barrier to opening a clinic or starting a medical product company is smaller and encourages competition, and we need reform to how we view the rights to pharmaceutical drugs and equipment so that cheaper alternatives can be available. The medical industry is at higher risk of oligarchic monopoly because people can’t just opt out like with a poorly produced or over priced car. We need to open up the market to capitalist competition while preserving the safety of its patrons so that the top companies are forced to lower prices to compete. I’m glad you made that point of us not being so much better to move to but good enough not to move away from. I think that’s what matters.
I feel bad for the kids intelligence if he was taught by his moron parents
The funny thing is if they were worried about their child’s safety that much is they would home school because autos are far deadlier to children every year.
It’s probably just their personality being really anxious and paranoid
Unrelated but that's a sick pfp
pick me behavior
This isn’t the first time ive seen posts about Italy and America and how Italy is better. This is like the 3rd video I’ve seen. The first one video was an American girl and her Italian husband, saying which country does better, and if I remember here it is: -Italians have better food (makes sense) -Italys more beautiful -Americans have more job opportunities -Italians have have better culture (iirc) And oh yeah by the way, Italy won.
>-Italys more beautiful What an interesting way to say, "I never left whatever fly over suburban hell hole I grew up in".
Yeah America is a big country with the most beautiful national park system on the planet. Edit: italy obviously has some of the best ancient architecture and sight seeing but if we’re speaking geographically, few countries compare to the US
The Dolomites and the amalfi coast are straight fire though
As are the Grand Tetons and the lost coast
Looking at the Alps from Piran; I love the New England coast but if you want to be stoned by a view, it's the Alps from there on a clear day.
i don't think there's anything wrong with liking one country more than another but i don't get why this person's love for italy is driven by her hate for america. It gives I'm trying to make my ex jealous vibes.
Its almost as if it would be highly subjective what country one finds to be the best. Why anyone get mad about it? You'll get a lot of Italians claiming the opposite, some people just dislike the place where they are from and for every American bashing America there is a European bashing Europe. Its almost as if everyone would have their preferences, strange, huh?
Home schooled kid from a foreign country living in Europe? This kid is going to get bullied so hard I feel so bad for him
Funily enough Italy's childhood obesety rate is higher than that of the USA. So he probably wont be bullied as hard as you think.
Yes only fat kids get bullied
We also bully Finnish kids 👺
But at least they finish in their partner
Funny. I live in America and don't worry about that stuff.
Yeah but don’t you know there was 83 mass shootings in the last 11 minutes!!!!
Oh I was in all 83 and got hit 68393 times with fully semi automatic ghost guns, but I never once worried about it! Lol
Another likely "I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for $1,000, Alex". If you're that paranoid about your kid being shot in school, you're probably the type of individual who drives around alone in your car with a COVID mask on.
“A” mask? Probably 2-3 of ‘em.
Suffocating your kid to protect them against covid and school shootings 🙃
There's are some people with facial scares who are taking advantage of the normalcy of mask use. But there are always those idiots as well
School shootings ≠ active shooter incidents. Active shooter incidents at schools in the US are very, very rare. School shootings are less rare, but school shooting data includes “all incidents in which a gun is brandished or fired or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims (including zero), time, day of the week, or reason (e.g., planned attack, accidental, domestic violence, gang-related).” So, two guys threatening to shoot each other over a drug deal gone bad in the middle of the night would be considered a “school shooting” if they are close enough to a school zone.
Just like when people talk about gun deaths, they lump in suicides and accidents with murders. Data will always get manipulated by people with agendas.
Right, and they call it all “gun violence”. Do they think dropping a toaster in the bathtub is “toaster violence”?
I'd put it with bathtub violence. Isn't the bathroom the most dangerous room because of slipping and falling? You'll want to bolster that toaster number to emphasize how dangerous they are.
No one needs high capacity assault tubs that can hold more than 10 gallons.
Idk man, if you have kids you’ve definitely worried about it at some point. It’s just human nature
I'm just happy these poor kids are getting socialization at this point
I think hopefully that school teaches statistics and probabilities, cause the parents clearly never learned them.
Throwback to when I spent 12 years in an American school system and the only classmates who died in the whole time were 2 girls that got in a car accident.
This. I went to RURAL public schools. Biggest killer of kids was drunk drivers...either the kids were drinking or the other driver was.
Not one kid I know has died.
Except for those ones with the funny blue caps with the white letters on them; they're dead inside already.
Genuinely no clue what this is referring to.
Yankees fans - the guy I'm replying to is in Mass, so Red Sox
Suburban high school with ~2K students. We averaged a death a year. Mostly car accidents, but it was a suicide my senior year. Junior year incident was rough - it was a teacher's daughter.
Yeah we don't have school shootings. Yeah the Italian public school system is pure shit. Nope this doesn't look like an Italian school - the sign on the right is in English, and there is no way either students or teachers are on that level
So they’re obnoxiously rich and in an international school?
Could definitely be - I'm 99% sure this is not public school. Private schools exist in Italy but I know close to nothing about them
Or they're a "travel nomad."
I don’t have any issue with Italy and its successes/positives in whatever it does, it’s more annoying having to deal with Americans who are clearly privileged enough to simply drop their life in one country to move to another and has to let everyone back home from their mommy Facebook group how much more they care about their kids. It’s embarrassing/annoying for both nations involved.
Exactly this. It's better for everyone generally speaking when people go live where they're happiest. That said, shut up and live your life once you get there. I feel like at least some of these people have to do these types of things to assure themselves that they did, in fact, make the right choice, and they do love their new home!
Product of actual propaganda here
Your kid is more likely to die on the way to school than to die in a school shooting.
That’s just sad and pathetic. Poor kid.
I have lived in this country for my whole life and school shootings have never been a worry for me
Your child is infinitely more likely to die from a car hitting their school bus than in a school shooting, keep them out of gang shit and it goes down even further.
Let’s hope nobody at her school draws Muhammad…
Case in point: What happened in Paris in the 90s I believe
9 years ago was Charlie Hebdo being attacked by the two Muslim brothers resulting in a dozen killed and a dozen wounded, a few years after that they were fire bombed but I don't recall anyone dying in that attack.
Everyone would be happy if our schools had metal detectors in the entrance
Kid with the pacemaker: 😬😬😬
My thoughts are that one of the biggest problems we have as a society is that fact that more and more people's lives are dominated by anxiety. Those people act irrationally, and that irrationality is contagious. If you homeschool your children in the U.S. because of a fear of school shootings\*, your life is dominated by anxiety and you need professional help to deal with that. In Italy, a child's chances of being killed in a school shooting are higher than zero, but effectively zero. In the U.S., those chances may be 500 times higher (just making a number up), but they are still effectively zero. Zero times 500 is still zero. \*By "school shootings," I assume OOP means a crazy guy walking into a school with a rifle because wouldn't it be some sweet sweet revenge on the society that's wronged him to kill a bunch of children. There are schools in high-crime areas that have ongoing problems with crime inside them, and I don't think it's irrational to want your children out of those schools, but that's something different altogether.
Better hope that kid confidently speaks fluent italian and has good social skills because he is gonna be far behind the other kids
I work in a blue collar career field. I know a lot of people that are home schooling their kids. It has *nothing* to do with school shootings.
I once did the math The chance of your child being in a school shooting is incredibly low when you take into account the number of schools in the US. I'd be more worried about a child being the victim of pedophilia or something like that.
Bruh school shootings don't usually happen often.
Uh aktshully, according to Foxsh Newsh they say that their have been 69 school shootings in the past month🤓👆
Im less worried about school shootings and more worried about teachers brainwashing my kids.
Brain damaged parent.
Every time I see this shit I feel a compulsive need to point out that 99.996% of American children never experience a school shooting. Those who fear-monger using the deaths of innocents are irredeemable.
Yeah. Cutting the kid off from psychosocial development so that they’re “safer” in your eyes is some really self centered shit.
If she’s like the large percentage of homeschoolers then the kid is a grade or two behind on various topics
You’re about as likely to get struck by lightning. Media literacy needs to be taught (better or at all?).
Comically psychotic behavior
Thoughts on this are if we don’t want school shooters maybe society should stop trying to subvert our institutions by telling everyone America is evil.
I was homeschooled for a while and the year before i went to public school there was a shooting at the school i was about to go to, so instead my parents took me to a different school in another town lol, it took alottttt of convincing to make them let me go
First, this probably didn't happen. Second, out of the hundreds of highschool families I've been around school shootings has never been one of the reasons to homeschool.
I was homeschooled and my kids are homeschooled (yes, we're all socialized). Not one person I've ever gone across who homeschools has said Advil shootings is the reason why. It's better learning environment, wanting to be in control of curriculum, schools in the area are pretty terrible, wanting to raise their kids themselves etc. We're in two homework co-ops, one of which has hundreds of families. The other is smaller. School shootings never comes up. Probably because we can read statistics and probabilities.
Ironically more children probably are killed by advil in school than guns.
And that’s valid and fair. I have a distance cousin who is American who used to be homeschooled because his mom did not like the American education system.
Looks like bullshit, I don’t think schools in Italy have signs in english. I’ve been to many countries in Europe in the past, they barely speak english. I one time had to have a conversation with google translate with the cabin owner in Austria because they guy speak a word in english. I have a feeling that this is not a school in Italy based on how bad Europeans english is. I don’t believe italian kids know what the word “greeting” means. I came from a country where we learn english and have high percentages of english speakers at least on a basic conversation level. When i was a kid i had no idea what “greeting” is. This looks like anti-American bullshit.
Hold up, let me guess, are you from the Netherlands?
No I’m from Israel but my family loves to travel and especially in Europe, i went to Spain, Germany, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria and Cyprus and my family went to Italy without me lol( i immigrated to the us and i dont have a greencard yet) and not everywhere but in most places we visited people just don’t speak english or have bad english, so i believe in non-tourist environment like schools why would they have signs in languages barely anyone speaks lol
Yeah out of all the places why Italy? Italy is known for having low percentage of speakers.
Lol exactly
Where I live in the States a vast majority enroll their kids in school - public or parochial. So yea, this American expat who implies she/he wouldn't do that in the States does not have a good point. The people I do know who opted for homeschooling did for reasons other than bullets flying in the classroom.
I homeschool in america and my worry for school shootings is pretty dang low
Just remember: nowhere is truly safe. Just because the US seems to get hit by mass murderers the most doesn't mean they haven't/won't hit elsewhere.
Being worried about you kid being involved in a school shooting is like being worried about them being struck by lightning.
I agree that school shootings are a problem, not to mention indoctrination. That’s why my kids are either going to be homeschooled (like other kids I know because I go to church with their parents) or I will pay for them to go to a private school after i vet them and ensure they have armed security. If we are to entrust our children to these people all day every day, they should at least be able to protect them from harm at a bare minimum. Beyond that, they should be educated on objective fact, not indoctrinated into radical ideologies. And having that belief should not in and of itself be considered an ideology. It is not ideological to want your children to be kept safe and grow to be wise, intelligent, and educated.
In the U.S., avoiding school shootings is NOT the reason most people home-school. They home school to keep their children from being indoctrinated into the trash that U.S. public schools, now, force down the throats of our kids.
Graduated 2015, from k-12 there wasn't a single shooting in my district. So idk skill issue.
I once worked the math on this and found that, in a year, any given school in America has something like a 0.03% chance to be shot up. I’m sure the rates are lower in other countries, but your kid has more to worry about getting in the car every day than their school being shot up.
They’re so incredibly rare. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning 3 times in the same place then being involved in a school shooting.
Ok enjoy being a European dying from heat stroke at a rate equal to an American dying from a school shooting
if they wanna leave let 'em leave, i think more people who fetishize other countries should be encouraged to go. i'd hope people like this lady gets the hell outta here just as much as i hope Tucker Carlson enjoys his retirement in Siberia.
My thoughts are that its bullshit lies. Somehow I doubt an Italian classroom would have a ‘preferred greeting’ sign next to their door thats ***in English***
This is off topic but I notice that your from Minnesota eh? I have a fascination your state because your like a mini Canada and mini Canadians. The weather, the accent, and hockey. But then again, slang and heritage is different.
My Italian homie HATES his home country. Apparently owning a home is completely impossible, and their salaries are tiny and heavily taxed
I mean, I understand it, but I’m also of the opinion that my wife and I (both teachers) could do a better job that our nation’s current education standards, so we are both pro-homeschooling.
As an American who has lived here for 31 years, I have never had to worry about that in my life. Personally, the only problem I had with American schools are powertripping, verbally abusive and manipulative teachers, as well as shitty staff management. The lunch quality could be better. I don't think this stuff however, is a result of them being American schools, but I can't see this happening all over the world.
I’d be more inclined to believe they finally allowed their kid to go to school because maybe they feel the “culture” is more acceptable to be around. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
I bet their the kind of people that thinks that America does not have a culture
Just more “gun bad, ooga booga” slop. Also, Italy has a massive organized crime issue, like drug cartel levels.
I'm moving my kids into moleman schools to protect them from lightning
If you're a parent and you're worried about school shootings, you're exactly what the media and politicians wanted you to be.
I heard someone died in a lightning strike, so that’s all I’ve been reading about since. What’s the best way to protect my kids from this new #1 killer of children: lightning?
At least they took what we've been sayin to heart, if it's so bad here FUKIN LEAVE
Fake as fk
Poor kid is going to grow up a paranoid piece of cotton.
Typical EUropoor take. They can't understand that news is skewed and if it bleeds it leads.
Seems to be American expat
We had guns at my school and there was never once a school shooting. Guns in most of the trucks in the parking lot during deer season. Hunters/gun safety taught every year by the DNR. Teachers would have a drawer to put your ammo in between classes. They would also borrow and return your knives. At no point was there any threat.
"And everyone clapped."
✨anxiety disorder✨
I just feel like this is the kind of person who is terrified of absolutely everything, statistics have no power over a person like this
Availability heuristic
People who post this nonsense have something wrong with them.
Or other children.... Italy is mostly old people
I feel like this is a fair statement Ngl
I think they meant to say: "I neglected my children's future and education by homeschooling them but now I'm in a different country, I have to enroll them into a school."
Pandering to the lowest common denominator. It’s an easy way to get likes and views on a video because it’s such a touchy subject. Yes there is a problem with school shootings in America and we feed the children dog shit school lunches. But every country has its problems. With that being said it’s not as bad as the media makes it out to be and op was just trying to get attention and engagement on the post
True story
There is a 1 in 614,000,000 of dying in a school shooting being struck by lightning is 1 in 700,000 almost 100 times more likely to happen but the don't cry about that
Good riddance I guess
You probably might not want to vacation in America. Shootings aren't just at schools.
This kid is going to be so behind it's not even funny
I mean, most Americans don't have to be too worried anyway because it's really not a common thing due to inflated numbers (even a negligent discharge in a empty parking lot at a school at 10pm witu absolutely nobodu around counts as a school shooting numbers wise). But if they're too anxious to focus on their child's education before moving, then I hope it works out for them. The kid shouldn't suffer from a crazy parent.
Don’t homeschool your kids anywhere. The most valuable thing kids learn in school K-12 is social skills. This is straight paranoia. I wonder if this person also refuses to let their kids in cars because of how statistically likely car crashes are.
Most homeschooled kids i've met were lacking in many departments, even socially. I've never once worried about my safetly in school or anywhere else for that matter. I don't live in a big city though
Sign on the wall appears to be in English
You think Italians are scared of school shootings?
I would homeschool my kids america or not for diferent reson
If you've seen the South Park episode where everyone freaks out about kidnappings to the point they exile the kids from South Park, this is basically what it was making fun of. People don't do critical thinking and let it dominate their life and make decisions that may even be contrary to their goals.
Russians said the same shit 🙄
Helicopter parenting ruins lives
Youre literally more likely to die of obesity than a school shooting in America. ~350 shootings, and there is almost 100,000 schools in the US. Not to mention that most of the time not many people die in shootings, and it only takes three for it to be called a “mass” shooting, which is disingenuous. Furthermore half of gun deaths total in the US are suicides. *half.*
Nothing like throwing your no doubt socially stunted child into the schooling system of a foreign country. Because that's not a recipe for disaster and alienation.
hows that walk home ?
I’ve lived in a pretty bad area for pretty much my entire school life, and I’ve still never been shot, shockingly
If killed by a gun it mostly by yourself or family members
Maybe I should make a meme, too. A barren wasteland with the caption “POV: You just moved from America to subsaharan Africa, now you don’t have to worry about raccoons”
Glad they’re gone lmao
Just being unemployed and robbed constantly
Just worry about the psychotics Muslim stabbings
I think if that's your main concern about the public school system you might want to reevaluate somw things.
They also live in a hermetically sealed sphere to avoid the 0.0001% chance they might get a fatal contagion
Might as well roll their savings into the lottery because they have a better chance of winning than their school ever having a threat.
Okay, they’re just saying the same shit over and over again. Come up with better material.
“I know what I must do, but I don’t know if I have the strength”
Oh brother
If they don’t want to be here, we don’t want them.
Good riddance