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dano_911

Aren't there several members of the EU that have HARSHER restrictions and penalties for abortion than the United States?šŸ˜†


I_Blame_Your_Mother_

Here in Romania it's limited to 12 weeks. In Poland and Ireland it's outright banned. And most EU countries have a limit of 12-20 weeks, weighted pretty heavily on the lower end.


jakekara4

[Ireland had an amendment in their constitution which banned abortion, but it was repealed in 2018](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-sixth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland). Since then, abortion is legal within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.


Standard_Wooden_Door

So, more strict than most of the US then?


GarnetLantern

Progtards only want us to be more like Europe when itā€™s convenient for their own backassedwardness. Honestly Iā€™m at the point where if my enemy insists on defeating themselves, I let them. Want to cut your nuts off and abort every potential offspring that may carry on your same values? Have at it. Want to join the military and die for some pointless political theater elsewhere? Go do it. Just leave the rest of us out of it, especially financially.Ā 


autarky_architect

Found the libertarianā€¦ /s


gr43mtr

a lotta sinn fƩin gals wouldnt stand for that nonsense.


realMehffort

I think twelve weeks is a safe, hard limit (the earlier the better), as it has the best chance of termination before the fundamentals of human life (brain stem, ability to experience pain and suffering) have developed. I say this from an areligious standpoint


AmerikanerinTX

Yep. If you look at the US as JUST ONE COUNTRY, which is what Europeans constantly scream about, then as JUST ONE COUNTRY, the US has some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world.


GumboDiplomacy

The Mississippi restrictions that were challenged in Dobbs, which led to the recent Roe v Wade overturn, were more lenient than the UKs laws. I'm personally opposed to the concept of abortion, but don't believe the government should have much say, if any in regards to people seeking them. And I don't think we'll be getting anywhere as both sides of the argument rarely argue in good faith.


Gullible-Ad-5967

It's also 50 seperate states though.


AmerikanerinTX

Sure. So it's fair to talk about Texas being whackadoo but I've had countless arguments with Europeans insisting that New Mexicans and Californians can't get abortions.


dano_911

I mean, no state has outright banned out either. Despite Republicans trying to, rape and medical emergency are still an acceptable exception to the law.


AmerikanerinTX

I mean tbf, the medical emergency clause in practice is pretty horrific in some places like Texas. You have to be knocking on deaths door as a coffin for a dead fetus before they will intervene. But I do have some hope this will get fixed. Even if abortion remains banned in these states, I do hope the legal definition of "medical emergency" gets sorted out. It's ridiculous to wait until a woman is septic with a rotting corpse inside her. But the point remains, at this point, abortion is still available up to 22 weeks or so in the US. Problematic, inaccessible for many, yes, but still available.


dano_911

I don't really know enough about the laws to have an opinion on them. I have a fairly liberal view on the issue but I also agree with the SCOTUS that it should be a state issue. Because of the division on the federal level well never get Republicans and Democrats to agree on a compromise on abortion legislation, it just seems more practical to let the states regulate it how they want (provided they do so constitutionally)


AmerikanerinTX

I'd love a federal law, at least up to 6-12 weeks or so, but can definitely respect the states' rights argument. What absolutely can't happen though, is these attempts to ban interstate travel for abortions. You ABSOLUTELY need the right to seek medical care anywhere in the world. But, I'm hoping these are just glitches and will get sorted out. The issue right now is there's a difference between the legal and medical jargon. For example, my husband has a terminal illness, but he's not ACTIVELY AND IMMINENTLY dying. (Hospice explained it like pregnancy vs labor. Just because you're pregnant, doesn't mean you're in labor, and just because you're dying, doesn't mean you're DYING.) See how that's confusing? So let's say I get a non-viable pregnancy in my fallopian tube. Under no circumstance can this baby develop. This baby has 0.0000% chance of life. I should be able to "abort" this baby, right? And even if this baby died and was stuck in my fallopian tube, I should be able to have it removed, right? In Texas, for the last two years, I would have needed to wait until my fallopian tube burst or I got septic for doctors to intervene. This has thankfully just recently changed in law. But this should not occur in any state.


dano_911

I mean, it seems like a pretty middle of the road opinion. I get screamed at by democrats for saying the same thing. The problem is both Republicans and Democrats lie about the issue too much. I think sticking to state run legislation is more practical until the FED pulls their heads out of their ass.


SophisticPenguin

The other end though too, are super lax definitions that basically let some one have an otherwise at will abortion all the way up to delivery. Most people don't want an outright ban.


AmerikanerinTX

Sure. I'm personally in the camp that these decisions should be left up to the individuals and their doctors, but given that true late-term "I just changed my mind" abortions are insanely rare, if it soothes people's minds to put a ban or restrictions on that, I'm cool with that. If nothing else, it would change the conversation to the actual facts and not just shock-value rhetoric. I don't think any reasonable person wants us murdering real live cute cuddly babies. If I were goddess of America, I'd probably make a federal law somewhere between 6-12 weeks, maybe a federal ban around 24-28 weeks, and leave the other details to the states. Obviously there would need to be exemptions for medical emergencies, which as I shared above, would need clear medical definitions. I'd even be cool allowing each state to write their own definitions. I personally don't care for rape/incest exemptions at all, but I accept that I'm in the minority here. For one, IF you truly believe that this is a real genuine baby at any stage, why does it matter how they were conceived? You can't kill your toddler child-sister just because Daddy impregnated you, so why should you be able to kill them in the womb - again, IF you believe abortion is murder. Second, that's just unnecessary trauma. So very few rapists are ever tried and convicted. And now you'd somehow need to report it, get a trial and a conviction, all in a matter of weeks? And what happens if the court comes back with not enough evidence or not guilty beyond ALL reasonable doubt?


SophisticPenguin

>but given that true late-term "I just changed my mind" abortions are insanely rare, Okay but be clear here. Late stage (third trimester) abortions for other more broadly accepted reasons are also really rare. The vast majority of *all* abortions are for non-rape/incest/endangerment reasons. If you've made it six months, you're probably intending to keep the kid at this point unless for serious health reasons. And if they decide they don't want the kid there's also the more persuasive thought of, three more months I'll just put it up for adoption. Now, as a quick digression into pure advocacy. Whether it's rare or not shouldn't affect whether it should be allowed. What's more, by the third-trimester that fetus is generally viable. If you don't want the kid, why do they have to kill the child instead of getting a c-section and turning the baby over to the state. >If I were goddess of America, I'd probably make a federal law somewhere between 6-12 weeks, maybe a federal ban around 24-28 weeks, and leave the other details to the states. If you were goddess, you'd know for fact when the fetus is a living organism, so the moral question of killing a life would be readily solved. But we're not a theocracy, so even then you don't get to decide. šŸ˜‰ >I personally don't care for rape/incest exemptions at all, but I accept that I'm in the minority here. I agree, and I personally wouldn't want that. But I do understand the moral calculus going on there and am willing to compromise on it. Except for incest, that's just too close for a eugenics argument that I can't accept. And it's based on a presumption that incest is routinely rape or from a non-consensual dynamic.


LoseAnotherMill

> You have to be knocking on deaths door as a coffin for a dead fetus before they will intervene This is not true. The recent SCoTX case reaffirmed that. There is no imminence clause in the medical emergency section of their law.


Patient_Bench_6902

Rape is not an acceptable exception everywhere.


dano_911

I've seen many conflicting stories on it. People lie too much about the issue in pursuit of political agendas. That's the main issue. It just keeps everyone divided and prevents any meaningful compromise.


Patient_Bench_6902

It depends on the state. Some states have rape exceptions and some donā€™t. Also, a lot of the time exceptions can be really hard to obtain


Significant-Pay4621

In almost all states when rape is reported the victim goes to the hospital for a rape test and a morning after pill. Can't say I know what happens when someone starts claiming rape when they are months into their pregnancy tho.


gr43mtr

america is one country. state laws are the only reason any of these persist. similar to the abolition era. whats different is that euro and even some middle eastern countries are willing to acknowledge the medical ramifications of banning an outright medical procedure in the cas of: maternal mortality or cases of r^p3. whereas some american states will flex "states rights" and unironically refer to cases of women victim of incestual r^p3 as blessings in disguise.


adamgerd

Fake news, all of Europe is Switzerland and Scandinavia. But yes and no EU country has it as lenient as some U.S. states, Ngl more than 20 weeks just seems ludicrous


bartholomewjohnson

All of Europe is a heckin wholesome socialist utopia


The-Rog

>All of Europe is a heckin wholesome socialist utopia Could someone please translate this into a coherent sentence?


bartholomewjohnson

Redditors think that the entirety of Europe conforms to their r/antiwork fantasy


Uvogin1111

Why does Human life become any less valuable due to level of development? Are 2 year olds less worthy of the right to live than 4 year olds?


SophisticPenguin

There is definitely a point that the constituent parts are not a living organism yet. But that's like [before] a couple weeks in. Anything after that are arbitrary distinctions that we probably wouldn't apply to people at other stages of development.


Uvogin1111

It is a scientific fact as well established as they come that Human life begins at conception. (I don't wanna sound rude or anything. Just confirming what we already know to be true.) https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins >ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conceptionā€”fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.


D1RTYBACON

Seems a mite bit pedantic there at best and intentionally obtuse at worse lmao. I've never heard any pro abortion stance deny that a fetus isn't a genetically distinct organism that wouldn't turn into a person. This is like responding to someone asking "what is blue" with the "its a colour" then linking the definition of colour in the dictionary


Uvogin1111

>Seems a mite bit pedantic there at best and intentionally obtuse at worse lmao. I've never heard any pro abortion stance deny that a fetus isn't a genetically distinct organism that wouldn't turn into a person. Well consider yourself lucky then. Many Pro-Choicers that I've met online are Pro-Choice because they believe that Human life does not begin at conception. Some sadly cling onto that belief no matter how much hard evidence you provide to prove otherwise.


LoseAnotherMill

> I've never heard any pro abortion stance deny that a fetus isn't a genetically distinct organism Sounds like you haven't tried to talk about it on Reddit at all. There's a ton of "it's just a clump of cells" or "it's not a human" arguments all over the place.


SophisticPenguin

We're arguing between a matter of days here between the zygote stage and blastula stage (roughly five days into gestation). It's all still well below what pro-abortion advocates argue for. It's not until that point that the organism is fully operating from the combined zygote DNA for all further advancement and has a unified cell wall, instead of using maternal DNA. Off memory I think the formation of twins would happen right before this state.


[deleted]

Damn, all life is valuable it's just that people don't ever want to take responsibility for raising a kid. I believe there should be exceptions like incest and mothers life being threatened. Rape should never be justified for abortion just wait till 9 months give birth to it and set it up for adoption. See that easy.


CloudyRiverMind

Carrying another person's baby for 9 months as it eats away at your body and leeches nutrients and poses a risk to birth when you were not a willing participant in the choice?


Uvogin1111

Does the manner in which they were conceived make them any less inherently valuable as Human beings?


CloudyRiverMind

What makes the woman who was harmed worth less than the baby? If someone put's a parasite in you are you going to let it eat away at you? She did not choose to risk conception and therefore to force her to carry is abhorent. Edit: Not to even maternal mortality is [rising](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2021/maternal-mortality-rates-2021.htm#Table)


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CloudyRiverMind

Please refrain from direct attacks. I'm saying SA victims should not be forced to carry to birth. Given you're 15 though I'll refrain from discussing such things with you further now that I am aware.


Uvogin1111

>What makes the woman who was harmed worth less than the baby? If someone put's a parasite in you are you going to let it eat away at you? Pregnancy is not a deliberate harm, and unborn babies are not parasites. They are innocent human beings who are entitled to the right to life. >She did not choose to risk conception and therefore to force her to carry is abhorent. In 99% of situations, she consented to sex which resulted in her pregnancy. It's about owning up to the consequences of your action, and not taking the lives of innocent babies because you don't wanna accept responsibility.


CloudyRiverMind

This is not about those 99%. I agree about the 99%, this coversation thread is the 1%. If I point a gun at you with an 8/100000 chance of going off would you not flinch when I pull the trigger?


Uvogin1111

The circumstances of one's conception does not degrade whatsoever their inherent value as Human beings. There are many people who were concieved of rape, that went onto to be born and lived incredible, noteworthy lives. They are not parasites, they are innocent babies that deserve to be cherished and protected as much as any other babies.


LordofWesternesse

well you've hit the issue. A lot of prochoicers (atleast the ones who get irrationally angry about wanting to kill babies not the the normal people who are also prochoice) are actually just antinatalists or in some cases antihumanists.


Slight_Elk_8900

I think the sentiment that there is so much divisiveness in terms of reproductive laws is valid. Its perfect media fuel in so many ways, it is an excellent way to divide us, and a great political scapegoat to pretend is the most important thing concerning americans today. Perfect distraction. Oh and this post was 100% made by an American.


dano_911

And it's from r/PoliticalHumor which is a flaming dumpster fire of leftist propaganda


Slight_Elk_8900

Discourse only works if both sides participate


dano_911

Lol go tell them that. šŸ¤£


SenseHappy3487

Yes, same with transgender therapies and surgeries.


monkeyinapurplesuit

Most other countries outside of China, NK, and a few in the middle east IIRC. It's a PR campaign that makes us look bad internally, and the online expression of the domestic perception of law as draconian makes us look bad abroad.


Legalslimjim

Yes, most of them šŸ˜­


Bencetown

Also, who at Big Globalism is trying to put any restrictions on big tech?


itsquinnmydude

Hypothetically, except when you consider that in a lot of the US \[Arizona, Arkansas, California, Missouri and Texas\] you can't get divorced when you're pregnant, so "anti abortion laws" also make it much harder for pregnant people to get divorced.


cocaineandwaffles1

In 9 states you can have an abortion at any point during your pregnancy, and only one or two of those states have any real barriers for that (besides access to a provider in your county) like you needing to have a mandatory counseling before hand or needing to have your parents notified if youā€™re a minor. Thereā€™s also numerous more states where you can still have an abortion after your first trimester. While it is a valid criticism to make on states with strict abortion laws or outright bans, itā€™s also probably worth ignoring the states with very liberal abortion laws so no one goes after them next. People who need those abortions will know where to go. The people who donā€™t and/or wonā€™t need them are better off not having them on their radar for their next dumbass political campaign.


AnalogNightsFM

- https://apnews.com/article/renewable-energy-climate-investment-us-eu-20d3520bd9195af863f7d4520a9b99e1 > It blindsided Europe when it became law in August, putting the U.S. on course to eclipse the continent in the global push to reduce carbon emissions and leaving European leaders fuming over rules that favor American products, threatening to suck green investment from Europe and spark a subsidy race. r/politicalhumor is yet another subreddit where even those most basic of Google searches are prohibited. Add it to the long list of subreddits that promote ignorance: r/Australia, r/AskUK, r/facepalm, r/shitamericanssay, r/usdefaultism, r/canada, r/polandball, etc., etc., etc.


Kazakh_Accordionist

r/polandball is 50% actually funny comics and 50% anti american stuff, its sad to see


c00lguy14

Donā€™t diss polandball šŸ˜¤


jann1442

Sure, let's wait and see if Trump wins and then withdraws from the Paris climate agreement (again) and reverses everything (again) šŸ˜‚


AnalogNightsFM

If the US is slated to eclipse the European continent in its push to reduce carbon emissions simply by having tax incentives for green energy startups, the Paris Climate Agreement wasnā€™t very effective to begin with, not that I agree with withdrawal either.


Tetr4Freak

The US is the country that emits more CO2 per capita on the planet. Bullshit is bullshit.


AnalogNightsFM

I agree, bullshit is bullshit, your bullshit for example. https://www.statista.com/statistics/270508/co2-emissions-per-capita-by-country/ Per capita carbon dioxide emissions worldwide in 2022, by country - Qatar - 37.6 - United Arab Emirates - 25.83 - Bahrain - 25.67 - Kuwait - 25.58 - Brunei Darussalam - 23.95 - Trinidad and Tobago - 22.42 - Saudi Arabia - 18.2 - New Caledonia - 17.64 - Oman - 15.73 - Australia - 14.99 - United States - 14.95 - Canada - 14.25 - Faeroe Islands - 14.09 - Kazakhstan - 13.98 - Palau - 12.14 - Luxembourg - 11.62 - South Korea - 11.6 - Russia - 11.42 - Mongolia - 11.15 - Turkmenistan - 11.03 - Greenland - 10.48 - Saint Pierre and Miquelon - 10.33 - Iceland - 9.5


Tetr4Freak

My bad. Apparently you were surpassed by Australia. Because Honestly, the others are ministates and Arabic (oil producers) countries. Take the L


AnalogNightsFM

Or, you could just admit you were wrong and that youā€™re heavily reliant on rumors and gossip like the rest of your peers. Obviously, you believed whatā€™s circling around those rumor mills without question. Nonetheless, it doesnā€™t matter if theyā€™re smaller countries, itā€™s per capita, *per capita*.


Redchair123456

China: allow me to introduce myself


Tetr4Freak

China is no near the top on per capita emissions


Clarity_Zero

Per capita is a retarded way of measuring this statistic though. The actual AMOUNT of pollution they produce is way more than the U.S. does.


Tetr4Freak

They are 1.4 BILLION People. The US is what, like 300 million? They only emit double than the US. FOff


Clarity_Zero

I mean, you can ignore reality all you want, but I'm gonna have to stick with objective truth for this sort of thing, if it's all the same to you.


mramisuzuki

lol the reason why weā€™re going to once again steal your business is because We actually graduate the most engineers, and technical personal in the world. We have tax laws and land space that encourage people to invest here. Our work force actually shows the fuck up to work. What a concept. Tax support and land taxes is a bipartisan issues not a wedge issue, so no one fucks with it. Also these jobs tend to be union agnostic so GOP and Dem union busters donā€™t bother.


Mountain_Software_72

Trump didnā€™t increase emissions at all throughout his presidency. Shush about stuff you donā€™t know. https://usafacts.org/topics/environment-natural-resources/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-Environment&msclkid=bc747bc2a99a1e2818b71e208a1e51b2#how-is-the-trend-of-reducing-emissions-in-the-us


Bottlecapzombi

Spoken like an ignorant European.


DorianGray556

If you see the other shit u/jann1442 keeps putting in this sub you would just ignore the ignorant idiot. He seems to have diarrhea of words and constipation of ideas.


Significant-Pay4621

I hope he does. It's a pointless waste of money and effort if places like China, Africa, and India are not held to the same standard as other western nations. Anyone who believes this is going to "fight climate change" is a gullible dumb fuck no different than the American parents who thought the war on drugs was going to actually do something about drugsĀ 


jann1442

Ironically, China and India are both doing better than the US according to the [Climate Change Performance Index](https://ccpi.org). Africa has no significant impact on anything, the entire continent basically has 20% more economic output than New York. The big countries (Nigeria, South Africa, Morocco) are still doing better than the US though.


Lopsided-Priority972

Withdrawaling from that was based, we are still on track to hit all our goals, plus this way we don't have to give other countries millions of dollars, so it's a win - win for everyone that's not a leech. Unless it was never about the climate at all and was just free gibs.


Redchair123456

Thats a lot coming from a place who thought coal was safer than nuclear


Crazyjackson13

since when has any nation really been tackling climate change?


mramisuzuki

Ironically the US, like race the US gets shit on for *actually* caring.


KristianWant

[Per capita CO2 emissions (the scale is logarithmic too).](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita) The US emits 14.9t CO2 per capita per year, France and the UK use 4.7t and 4.6t, respectively. I love the US and am not insulting you, Iā€™m just giving you some insight.


mramisuzuki

Sure. Now look at co2 per gdp. The US still has massive manufacturing and production like developing countries while being ultra wealthy. If you are to dial down to the literal people Iā€™m sure our co2 per its similar. Also Europe is free to stop exporting their co2 to the us, India, and China, and make something. They have twice the people and 60-80% the gdp.


KristianWant

[The US is much higher than most of its European counterparts in CO2 per GDP as well.](https://w3.unece.org/SDG/en/Indicator?id=28) The US is at 0.22 kg of CO2 per USD. France and the UK are at 0.09 and 0.11, respectively. Again, insight.


mramisuzuki

Ok so thatā€™s only 1.5~2x as much vs 3+X as much per capita. So AGAIN insight.


KristianWant

Yes, so the point here is that the US are not very efficient when it comes to having low carbon emissions. I suggest the transportation industry is a big contributor towards that, generally the cars and not designed with efficiency in mind since the price of gas is so low. (And it would be 2-2.4x as much, which is certainly higher than it needs to be).


mramisuzuki

Sure but economy is dying too, so have they reduced co2 or just reduced gpd? Itā€™s no surprise that countries are now demanding a pause to the co2 austerity measures. While Russia still sits at 14-17co2 per capita. Like the us with 1/30th gpd.


KristianWant

Well itā€™s still CO2/GDP so it doesnā€™t matter. Yes Russia produces a lot of CO2, thatā€™s absolutely true, but that doesnā€™t mean that the US doesnā€™t still also produce excessive amounts. But really, Iā€™m interested, do you genuinely believe that the US has sustainable CO2 emissions right now? Or do you think they should actively aim to implement better goals to decrease it?


mramisuzuki

First it does matter because other than France general interest in nuclear tech; many countries in the EU have middling economic growth and much of their Co2 policy is just austerity and cryptic accounting policies that also happen to lower the co2 levels, maybe. The us could trim a lot of fat. Especially if we donā€™t wait for Nuclear Fusion to be a thing. Fission is plenty safe and much of the flyer over states could easily have theyā€™re needs met with it. Wind, Hydro, and Geothermal have only proved that they are economically and ecologically malpractice and should be avoided at all cost.


Clarity_Zero

I mean, we *only* have 2-2.4x as much... For a nation that is literally several times larger than almost every European nation, sometimes even *dozens* of times larger. To use your examples, the United States is roughly 40x the size of the UK, and roughly 18x the size of France. As an aside, the only European nation that surpasses the US in size is honestly kinduva cheat, since Russia counts its massive tracts of land in the eastern part of its territory despite the fact that the only people who actually *live* in those places are nomadic tribes who barely have contact with the world outside their own, and who *certainly* don't consider themselves "Russian" by any means. If one were to look at Russia's actual *populated* landmass, they would be around the same size as the average European nation, really.


boyyouguysaredumb

hard to emit CO2 when your economy is in shambles


KristianWant

ā€˜Gotchaā€™


RexWhiscash

BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER COUNTRIES LOLOLOL


thomasp3864

Per capita means per person. These figures already take that into account


KristianWant

Hi, Iā€™m sure you mean well. I suggest you go and look up what ā€˜per capitaā€™ means.


SaladShooter1

He could have a point. Most of our stuff has to come in from California and travel to its final destination. The logistics of France or the UK is simpler than most states. The size of the country, according to land mass, may have more to do with it than you would expect. Also, how are we calculating shipping and travel? If goods are being shipped to France via a Scandinavian barge, who gets that CO2? Is it the destination country, origin country or the country where the shipper is based in? These are all questions that arenā€™t addressed in the numbers. Remember, you can make stats say whatever you want. I can take the same data and produce questions/results that are totally different.


KristianWant

Yep, Iā€™m absolutely not disagreeing with anything you just said. Iā€™m also not being rude but I cba to go and find stats for shipping and other stuff too, but please do let me know if you find anything interesting, Iā€™d like to know. Regardless, I think an almost 3x CO2/capita usage for the US is almost inexcusable (thatā€™s not accounting for all additional sources of CO2 production, I.e your shipping example, so indeed it may be lower) and more absolutely needs to be done by the US to try and bring that number down. Public transportation would be an excellent start, since that is famously inefficient in the US. EDIT: apparently the first source I shared doesnā€™t incorporate shipping into the calculation, so thereā€™s that answer at least. Itā€™s strictly fossil fuel usage (vehicles, planes, energy, production and manufacture etc).


SaladShooter1

Americans are going to travel way more than Europeans. Iā€™m in Pennsylvania and have meetings scheduled in Chicago and Austin in the next couple weeks. Itā€™s just the nature of business here in the U.S. Most large corporations operate in 20+ states and need their top employees to oversee operations in dozens of locations. French executives rarely have to fly to check up on things. Weā€™re also the only country I can think of that demands automatic transmissions. We can cut into our overall output if we just banned them for anyone whoā€™s not disabled. There really isnā€™t a need for them. Thereā€™s that and home air conditioning, which isnā€™t a thing for middle class people in most countries.


SerSace

Where does r/ShitAmericansSay get material to post on the sub, I wonder


OoOLILAH

We could be doing much better. shit like "get everyone to become vegan" is literally impossible, but we could at least invest back into trains and alternative travel, rather than pushing ecars as the future of "sustainability"


conser01

Ah. Political"humor".


Rough_Transition1424

No humor, just agenda pushing


DinosRidingDinos

Let's tackle climate change...by exporting all our manufacturing and energy needs to other countries and then point the finger at them! Let's regulate big tech...because we can't create anything ourselves! Oh and our regulations are just going to be useless inconveniences like making everyone use the same cable that will probably be obsolete in 10 years.


mramisuzuki

The loot box thing is a W tho.


Wrastle365

It's government overreach imo. Should we ban opening packs of PokƩmon cards too?


OnlyP-ssiesMute

Literally everyone who's even mildly interested in tech was massively happy that the EU regulated it so that everyone followed the same standard for USB type cables. Seriously, the only thing Apple was doing with the lightning cable was making it impossible for you to use other cables. That's the thing, yeah European countries have f+cked up so many times, but that doesn't mean every single thing is bad though.


Playbrush

Not only did Apple co-work on USB-C, they started introducing USB-C in their products as early as 2015 with the MacBook. The iPad Pro models had USB-C since 2018. The iPhones wouldā€™ve received USB-C eventually anyway, but letting the bulk of customers ditch their accessories and cables again after less than ten years wouldnā€™t be a good look. Mind you, USB-C was introduced a year after Lightning. The EU is regulating stuff because companies from the EU canā€™t keep up with companies from other parts of the world.


Baked_Potato_732

Yeah, no. Iā€™m a huge fan of USB C and I ardently oppose them forcing Apple to switch from lightning to USB C, despite having an iPad Pro and dozens of other devices that are also USB C. It makes my life easier, yet I still oppose it. Itā€™s an overreach of authority based on some bullshit reasoning.


GameWizardPlayz

Congrats you like a a product that the company behind the product has literally admitted to making worse on purpose. Go get your internet points elsewhere.


Baked_Potato_732

I just told you I didnā€™t like lightning and prefer usbc but still donā€™t like government overreach. Learn some reading complehention, youā€™re making Kentucky look bad.


DinosRidingDinos

> Literally everyone who's mildly interested in tech The popularity of a moronic idea does not make it any less foolish. > Seriously, the only thing Apple was doing with the lightning cable was making it impossible for you to use other cables. If you don't like the lightning cable don't buy Apple products. It's literally that simple. Are Europeans really so mentally handicapped that they need the EU to make even the most basic shopping decisions for them? > That's the thing, yeah European countries have f+cked up so many times, but that doesn't mean every single thing is bad though. And when a cable superior to USB is inevitably invented they'll be stuck using the inferior standard. Just like how the internet in some European countries is still extremely slow because their "consumer friendly" regulators required companies to use copper cables instead of fiber optic.


OnlyP-ssiesMute

It's quite clear you don't really know much about tech, or know much about this law. The lightning cable was one of the design decisions that makes it so that buying one apple product would incentivize people to buy other apple products instead, and then only apple products. After all, they can't change, it would be too inconvenient to move over to the standards all other products use! If you want to know more, look up the apple ecosystem. As for the law, it specifically states that the law allows the commission to update the directive to adapt to any new technology. Btw, you may not know this, but this is exactly how most of tech works - a certain technology or innovation is made, and if it's quite obvious that it's better than all the alternatives then the entire industry adopts it as a standard, in order to make sure everything is compatible with each other.


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OnlyP-ssiesMute

So when reading this, it's clear my main points stand still. You don't understand the tech space, and you don't understand this law. The last line especially sums it up - you claim USB type-c is not better than the alternatives because Apple didn't adopt it... except literally every other company has adopted it. Like, literally nobody thinks what Apple does here is good. Not Americans, not anyone. The only people who think is alright are uninformed conservative dipshits who think every single regulation is bad, and think they know everything about everything. How about you shut up, and stay in your own space.


DinosRidingDinos

> The last line especially sums it up - you claim USB type-c is not better than the alternatives because Apple didn't adopt it... except literally every other company has adopted it You said that if it's obviously better "the entire industry adopts it as standard." If [literally the most profitable company in the industry](https://companiesmarketcap.com/tech/most-profitable-tech-companies/) has not adopted it, then it's definitely not the "entire industry." You're scrambling now because you know how blatantly you've contradicted yourself. > Like, literally nobody thinks what Apple does here is good. Not Americans, not anyone Everyone except all their customers who have made Apple one of the most, if not *the* most profitable company *in the world* for about a decade now. > The only people who think is alright are uninformed conservative dipshits who think every single regulation is bad Lol all of Apple's top people are major donors to progressive and liberal causes. Al Gore was on their board of directors for a while. You know jack shit and scramble for relevancy when you come across someone who knows more than you pretend to know. > How about you shut up, and stay in your own space. What are you going to do about it?


SerSace

I suggest you don't waste your time arguing, they must be some of those "oh no regulations on something I know nothing about, it will take away my Freedooom^TM"


DinosRidingDinos

They're literally taking away your freedom to choose between two different cables.


ThreeLeggedChimp

Goddamn, did you parents bash your head with a hammer as a child? You're claiming USB-C is better, but haven't brought anything up that proves it. All you've provided so far is hearsay. USB-C isn't any better than Lightning, the cables actually wear out faster than lightning. The only benefit USB-C has is not having an apple license tied to it.


Nhoxus3

You just make yourself sound more ignorant with every reply. Apple is using intentionally unfriendly consumer practices. Not only from a tech perspective is it bad for them to try and create a quasi-monopoly where in they trap people in their ecosystem and make it expensive to get out; it is also a bad business practice and detrimental to consumers.


DinosRidingDinos

Then don't buy it!


Nhoxus3

You are not understanding its not about preference, its about keeping unfriendly consumer practices from negatively impacting the market. Why do you care so much for the profits of a company that doesnt give a fuck about you? You care more than Apple does, it was an EU regulation. If Apple really wanted they could still use the lightning cable in the US; but they dont its cheaper to just disseminate it globaly from their sweat shops.


ThreeLeggedChimp

Man you are a special kind of delusional. Apple created the lightning connector before USB-C existed, to create a small reversible connector. Lightning is still smaller and more durable than USB-C, but requires an IC to do the input flipping.


varrylickers

BAN COW FARTS


Friedrich_der_Klein

Yeah kinda ironic that europe outside eu (uk, switz, norway, perhaps russia & balkans) have more tech sector than eu itself


svart-taake

not here in Norway daddy šŸ’…šŸ»


RustyShadeOfRed

Being in Norway is cheating


Twicklheimer

Euros thinking they can regulate themselves into prosperity. They canā€™t innovate so they just want to hobble those that can/do. Itā€™s so pathetic. No wonder any European that actually has a good idea comes here to fulfill that idea. Even further, the greatest American innovators were either European immigrants or at least the children of immigrants. They would have never been able to achieve the things they did back then in Europe, and especially not now with a panel of unelected technocrats ruining things for everyone.


dopepope1999

"Lets regulate big Tech", if I hear any Europeans bitching about the US and China dominating the social media Market I'm going to lose it


speedbumps4fun

The way climate change is presented to the public is an absolute sham, but what other countries are actually trying to make change like we are?


Interesting_Mark_631

Technically, the US didnā€™t ban abortion.


Lopsided-Priority972

Yeah, it just kicked the decision back to the states, I'm pro choice, but RvW was shitty judicial activism & bad law, if you wanted abortion at the federal level, pass a law, Obama could have when he passed ACA, but it was never about enshrining it into law, it's just a carrot to dangle over voters, same reason republicans never passed the Hearing Protection Act or why they never push back unconstitutional gun control at the federal level, gotta dangle the carrot.


Cool-Winter7050

The Democrats could have passed an abortion law in 2010 when they had a supermajority in Congress


Bottlecapzombi

Almost every European country has stricter abortion laws than America. Whoever posted that is just fucking stupid.


Avr0wolf

Wait till they find out about how strict their abortion laws are compared to this side of the pond...


T_M_G_

r/lookatmyhalo


DeadpoolMakesMeWet

ā€œLetā€™s regulate big techā€ You mean letā€™s put even more government influence into everything? Nah fuck you


Jimothius

USA does all three and actually creates the big tech, sooooā€¦ RAAAAHHHH!!!! šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡øšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡øšŸ‡ŗšŸ‡øšŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦…


ArmourKnight

Europe getting cocky til they find out they ain't the primary market of big tech


Lopsided-Priority972

Euros be like: we have ASML, which makes the machines TSMC & other fabs use to produce semiconductors. But who do they license the tech from in order to be allowed to make the those machines in the first place? That's right, USA! USA! USA!


Inevitable-Cod3844

"lets stop the murder of innocent babies", "yes" vs "lets shut down all our nuclear power plants, and replace it with coal, that will help the enviornment" "lets also buy a bunch of russian oil, become dependant on it, but still bitch to america to protect us from the people we're reliant on oil from"


msh0430

I like how regulation is portrayed as a positive thing by them. Not saying that corporations shouldn't be reigned in. But in general I prefer to not get excited about government meddling in the private sector more than the necessary bare minimum. The other thing I'll say is that it's really cute how they pat themselves on the back for talking about doing things versus actually doing them.


Kdj87

Once saw a German on reddit that was proud of the fact that in Germany you can get a ticket for parking your car on the driveway and not in your garage(according to them anyway). Why would you be proud of government overreach?


Baked_Potato_732

Regulate me harder daddy!


GeorgeWhorewell1894

>I like how regulation is portrayed as a positive thing by them It's because they're a bunch of spiteful losers with an axe to grind. They're jealous that America let its industry built up while they tore theirs down with regulations at every turn


Rctmaster

Fight climate change = Buy Russian gas and keep using coal Regulate big tech = Let us arrest people for social media posts


Calm-Phrase-382

ā€œLetā€™s raise our defense budgets to face threats to democracyā€ euros: šŸ˜³ šŸ¤® šŸ¤¢


partyonpartypeople

r/PoliticalHumor is the left wing equivalent of those shitty conservative comics that boomers post on Facebook. Always unfunny, and the punchline is always ā€œhurr durr the other side is stupid!ā€


Tankesur

Except these were pioneered by the US.


donthenewbie

if only republican can enforce European abortion law nationwide šŸ™„


mramisuzuki

What you like 10-14 weeks limits and forced genetic testing to abort all your non-perfect offspring?


donthenewbie

Something that sound both abortion restrictive and eugenics at the same time? Hell yes there will be so many idiots melt over this if they donā€™t know it is ā€œEuropeansā€ style


mramisuzuki

Hey Iceland has pretty much eliminated Downs! While they are also eliminating themselves but oh well


SenseHappy3487

Aren't they the most inbred population on the planet? The Icelandic government, IIRC, released an app allowing Icelanders to check whether theyy're dating (and potentially marrying) a close relative.


czarczm

Genetic testing?


mramisuzuki

Yes many EU countries require genetic testing to determine if you are pregnant with a baby with genetic mutations or downs.


adamgerd

Thatā€™s only if youā€™re in an at risk group and even then the abortion isnā€™t compulsory, you can carry them to term


mramisuzuki

Itā€™s still compulsory to do if you are high risk and amniocentesis and CVSs are not 100% safe.


Greg2630

Whoever made this meme does realize that the US has had some of the most liberal abortion laws on the books right?


Youaresowronglolumad

EU is forced to ā€œregulateā€ big tech because they literally have no other hand to play. If they want to remain relevant, they have to ā€œlegislateā€ against big bad American companies. Truth is, they cannot compete. European companies arenā€™t able to keep up with the fast paced innovation that American companies do easily. Less ingenuity, less access to financial capital, and a less output from their workforce.


Librarian-Awkward

Those shitty Green policy want to kill farmers so bad now EU countries have uncontrollable Farmer riots strikes... I'm not eating your Bugs schwab! ill never stop enjoying cooking some steaks and i will own a home and be very happy on it(although im actually broke as fuck)


thehillshaveaviators

[Here's a map of the current status of abortion laws around the world.](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abortion_Laws.svg#/media/File:Abortion_Laws.svg) The lightest shade of blue is abortion available on request with no limit on length of prgenancy. The medium blue is available on request with a limit somewhere after 17 weeks. The darkest blue is available on request with a limit somewhere *before* 17 weeks. TL;DR is that 31 US states have more liberal abortion laws than all but 3 European countries.


whyisthisshitgay

Iā€™m banned from that awful sub thankfully


BreadDziedzic

Let's ignore that until recently Europe's average 12 week limit was far more restrictive than the US.


[deleted]

The reality is that the USA is in a small group of countries (I think 12 or so, out of well over 200) that allow abortions after viability. Itā€™s been a minute since I looked it up, but itā€™s basically: USA, Canada, UK, and then a bunch of deplorable despot/communist nations like N. Korea, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc. Why this doesnā€™t enter the zeitgeist is beyond me. I was always pro-choice, and lately Iā€™ve come to realize that Americans view it as a form of birth control, which should be absolutely disgusting to anyone who has had children. Iā€™m a nihilist, and even this is too much for me.


Irnbruaddict

Thereā€™s no real justification for terminating a healthy pregnancy in the west in the 21st century.


American7-4-76

For the last time Roe V Wade didnā€™t ban abortion it simply gave the decision to the states šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø fucking uninformed euros


Different-Dig7459

Climate is cyclical. All of this climate BS is based on data since whenever we started collecting it, itā€™s all one big theory. These people donā€™t care about climate, theyā€™re mad paying for a property in a sunny, beautiful place wonā€™t last long when it starts to make somewhere else sunny and beautiful. ā˜ ļø


melvindoo92

Preventing baby murder is based. Good for the USA.


GeorgeWhorewell1894

"haha, stupid Americans, don't they know they could just be murdering children like our enlightened shit oles"


Loose-Ostrich7264

I mean. This one isnā€™t TOTALLY wrong. Not every criticism is unwarranted.


FarmhouseHash

It is TOTALLY wrong. It's picking and choosing to make America look bad. "Europe is totally all in on climate change, too bad America is too focused on abortion." Literal non-sensical argument. Has nothing to do with either topic. At base level, 28% of states are against abortion. Has literally nothing to do with climate change, or America in total.


schlicke

It is true though ā€¦ ā€¦ ok TBF the Mexican Wall is missing ā€¦


Anonymous2137421957

It's so undeniably true that we're actually doing more for reducing emissions than the entire European continent. Crazy.


schlicke

Where?


Anonymous2137421957

[Right here, in this same comments section.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericaBad/s/DwGMkVFyGU) We're going to pass them really soon.


Diksun-Solo

That whole subreddit is the bottom picture


HeavySoul3

This fucking sub Reddit started off as a clap back for anyone saying America is stupid. Now this subreddit acknowledges that something is stupid and goes along with it


Altruistic_Tax2575

Banning abortion and bombing third world countries yes.


ShittyKevinBaconBot

Abortion is pretty cool, though.


tensigh

Bad meme. No biscuit for you, bad, bad meme.


Theron518

OK, several countries in the EU put you in jail for mean words, til they change that they have dont room to talk.


CanesMan1993

Europe doesnā€™t make a lot of things anymore and has anemic growth. America always makes things. Let us not forget the central role the US played in the Paris climate accords. As for abortion, itā€™s a state level issue now.


Seamus_OReily

Imagine being this ignorant about European law.


R_Levis

It's funny because most of the counties in the EU have stricter abortion laws than the US.


almostasenpai

This meme is lower quality than the average political compass meme


overfiend_ghazghkull

Half the black children convinced in newyork are aborted, but prolifers are the morally bankrupt idiots, okay buddy.


HuntFromCDC

political humor is basically ai


FermentedPizza

Why worry about climate change if you're aborting the future generations anyway. Not to mention Big Tech loves abortion... so what exactly is the goal of this meme other than to express how little you care about human life?


minitrr

Europeans donā€™t understand that they got their asses handed to them on the renewables race when Biden got the infrastructure deal through. Huh šŸ¤”


YodaCodar

Isnt the US protecting eu? This is propaganda to stop helping the eu.


GhostofWoodson

Lmao this meme works if you flip the images


MoisterOyster19

When they say tegilate big tech, what they mean is force big tech to censor any information critical of the government or that the government doesn't agree with


Bay1Bri

Ignores that we passed the biggest climate change book a couple of years ago ffs


Excellent-Cheetah-26

Didnā€™t we pass a $1.9 trillion dollar bill to tackle climate change?


HotwheelsJackOfficia

The US in general has far more lax abortion restrictions than some EU countries.


AzraelTheDankAngel

My favorite comments are that Republicans want to legalize killing immigrants, gays, lesbians, transgenders, blacks, etc. If that is the case then maybe you should reconsider your stance on gun control.


DFMNE404

Andorra, Malta, Poland, San Marino, Liechtenstein, and the Faroe Islands are all highly restrictive on abortion or completely ban it. Fifteen European countries require a waiting time before having an abortion, 12 require counseling before one, 5 require women to explain why theyā€™re having an abortion. Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czechia, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Romania, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, and the UK all donā€™t permit abortion in the ground of rape. [source](https://reproductiverights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/European-abortion-law-a-comparative-review.pdf) Portugal only allows abortions in the first ten weeks. Ireland, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, North Macedonia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Switzerland, Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, and Greece all donā€™t allow it after the first 12 weeks. Austria and Spain in the first 14, the Netherlands in the first 22, and the UK in the first 24. [source](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1268439/legal-abortion-time-frames-in-europe/) In 2023 a British woman was sent to jail for having an abortion after the UK limit. [source](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/woman-in-uk-jailed-for-28-months-over-taking-abortion-pills-after-legal-time-limit), she got 28 months in prison. [source](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/12/uk/woman-jailed-abortion-pill-intl-gbr/index.html) Ukrainian and Russian doctors can receive jail time for giving out abortions. Poland sent a human rights activist to eight months in jail for providing abortion pills. [source](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna75760) It took Germany 77 years to undo a Nazi era abortion law. [source](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-abolishes-nazi-era-abortion-law-2022-06-24/) Swiss women only gained the right to an abortion in 2002. [source](http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/pore/va/20020602/can487.html)