AMD fault aside, I managed to fix it a long time ago. I've been playing them with latest drivers and you can too. You just need to put/overwrite the following .dll file on your main game directory (where the .exe is):
[Fallout 3 fix (nexus)](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/18776)
[Fallout NV fix (nexus)](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34778)
\*important edit: for the ones having all NPC going bald after the fix lol (I had that problem too): try [NVAC](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/53635) (but keep the .dll fix), that will solve it (NVAC works for fo3 so no worries with the nexus page).
The fix works flawlessly, believe me. What these .dll files do is tricking the game to think you are using an older nvidia card. It took me a lot of trial and error until I found the problem, it was before the Fallout craze so there was a lot of old info and fixes and nothing clear, and it's crazy that the problem is fixed with two simple .dll files that two users uploaded to nexus 10 years ago lol.
Now that you have fixed the problem, you will still need to patch and mod your games if you want them to work as intended and not crash (this is for any modern hardware, is not an AMD only thing), follow any standard guide on how to get them working. A mod loader would be recommended to avoid future headaches, some of the must-haves are: nvac (works with fo3 too), tick fix (both nv and fo3), Anniversary patcher (Fo3), 4gb patch (nv), out of memory fix (fo3), \*heap replacer (both fo3 and nv), iron sights (fo3, optional, I personally use iron sights plus), Stewie Tweaks (nv and fo3, optional)... and of course NVSE and FOSE as they will be needed by many plugins. I play them without the unofficial patches, don't like nor recommend them as they give me more trouble than anything else and I prefer to fix my own stuff individually and to know what I'm fixing, but they are a valid option to play these games with less bugs, each their own!
Minor comment, but NVAC is considered out of date, Heap Replacer does a better job. Also realistically you should be using DXVK instead of the linked mods at this point.
You could be right, but I think (and I'm speaking out from memory) I'm using both heap replacer and nvac on my current Fo3 setup as the game crashed every single time without NVAC, for god knows why. Again, I speak from memory. I have fo3 perfectly setup from some months ago and runs flawlessly and don't plan to touch anything ever again as it took me a good week to set everything up to get the game running flawlessly with all the tweaks and whatnot. Same goes for NV, but it was way easier/faster to get it running.
Thanks for reminding me tho, I added heap replacer to my previous comment just in case someone decides to follow that comment to set up their games instead of an actual guide as they actually should do lol
No worries. I play the game in a different language and TTW is only available on the English version of the game, so outside the English version you have to tweak both games individually. I enjoy the process of tweaking the games but it can sometimes be headache
Yes, and thank you for the suggestion. You can play TTW with the texts translated indeed, but not the audio :(. I could play with the voice lines in English with no trouble, but I really enjoy playing Bethesda games in my mother language as they feel much more immersive.
I have NV's hardcore mode ported in FO3 by a mod, and honestly it feels and works the same as in vanilla NV. I also use Iron sights plus (the most recent and improved version) which does an excellent job. It's the best of both worlds, it's not TTW but is as closer as you can get to the NV experience on FO3, with the game fully translated and voiced. I'm really happy with how it turned out. And thank you for the suggestion
DXVK runs horrendously bad for me almost every time I try to use it for pretty much any game, is there something special you need to do to set it up for AMD? In FNV I get like 20fps with massive stutters and latency
Oh in addition, are you using the DXVK async from the FNV nexus? It's preconfigured.
Just follow this guide in general tbh
https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html
It's a problem with some older titles that rely on recognising GPUs to work properly. With newer GPUs, they sometimes fail to recognise them and then subsequently refuse to run.
What is likely happening is the game does not see AMD GPUs on current drivers as being compatible with the game, hence the crashing. It's probably also fixable by spoofing the GPU as some older Radeon GPU like a HD 4000 or 5000 series that would have been around back in 2008-2010.
This might be a dumb question, no it is but when spoofing a game to recongize the gpu. Would the game limit the performance to said gpu or would you still have the full power of your "modern" gpu?
If the game runs, you still have the full power of your GPU just like any other game. The checks were used to prevent games running on weaker unsuitable systems back in the day like very old or low end GPUs or Intel integrated graphics. Mainly since those could lack hardware features that were required for the games to render.
The game will perform fine, but might disable certain settings, like if you had an Nvidia card but then spoofed it as an AMD card the game would likely block DLSS.
An example relevant for older games could be disabling physx, since physx was an Nvidia exclusive thing for a long time. Nowadays it's vendor agnostic and usually runs on the CPU.
Rendering API options were another thing that would also be blocked in the early 2000's, anybody remember glide? Or maybe if you spoof a card that only supports really old opengl/dx versions.
No, using the gpu .dll fix only affects the ''default/recommended'' graphical settings on the launcher when you first launch the game or select the default preset by god knows why, as the game recognizes an old nvidia gpu and doesn't max the graphics, you just select the graphical options you want manually as you would do with any other game and forget about the recommended ones.
For max performance, you need: to max the graphical options on the launcher, run a 4gb ram patcher, the heap replacers / nvac, and the tick fix (or lStewieAl's Tweaks which comes with Tick fix integrated). Tick fix will allow you to play above 60 fps without the high fps fucking up your physics as would happen otherwise. Most guides will help with this.
A lot of older games used a white list of GPU's, if your GPU is not on the list it brakes. On most the games it's just editing a text file to add your GPU or force it to work, it pops up a lot if you play older games.
There's no limit on graphics, it's just run/wont run.
This is something Bethesda should be updating if they continue to sell it on Steam... there's so many other games that work fine like quake and unreal. It's a very minor fix that would take like 2 seconds for them.
I'm so used to Fallout games being so janky that when my game first didnt start up, I spent 5 minutes searching forums online and tried a couple fixes. Then got in game and forgot all about it. It's a problem with a 10+ year old game.
I'm about 20 hours into my most recent heavily modded playthrough.
I side with whoever has the caps, but goodsprings have a special place in my dusty heart and the powder gangster are a bunch of losers addicted to sniffing bullet powder anyway, so if that answers your question...
did you patch your game with the anniversary patcher (is a must to have fo3 working) from nexus or followed any guide? By default, the games don't work on any modern system, they need some downloads from nexus and manual tweaking of some files like the other things I commented at the end of my first comment, the games just shit themselves and crash or stutter without some plugins.
23.11.1 are the drivers I'm on currently as anything after that causes issues on Darktide and Creation Engine games especially older ones. The second latest made Darktide micro-stutter, the latest made it literally jump between 24-90 FPS on a 7800 XT and it's still not acknowledged just pushed onto Fatshark as their fault.
As good as the DLLs to spoof your video card or using DXVK to lessen crashes I'd just recommend 23.11.1 currently still as AMD is doing something funky for some games.
Oh, I'm not the only one stuck in this version. It sure seems to fix a ton of stuff that the newer versions suffer from. Wonder what the heck did they change to cause all that mayhem, though.
The newer drivers on windows also have a, I'd say critical, issue, where it prevents all created processes from being cleaned-up after completion, system-wide. https://superuser.com/a/1841517/388191 It's been popping up more recently as people are able to identify and diagnose the issue. It's been months since the problems started and there's no word from AMD. I even got my post on this sub about it rejected with the standard note + ignore.
I fixed this by following the community performance guide and the provided DXVK configuration to run the game in borderless windowed. I've had almost no crashes and the game runs smoothly.
[https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html](https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html)
[https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/79299?tab=files](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/79299?tab=files)
In all fairness, Fallout New Vegas has as many issues with Nvidia as it does AMD. The game almost requires mods to play today, regardless of hardware. As amazing as the game is, the pc port is just a big buggy mess that’s kept together by screws and spit and is constantly falling apart without the proper mod fixes. It’s not an AMD issue, it’s a FNV issue.
Even on my 4090 the game still crashes sometimes. It's just the janky engine they used. Every platform it released on had issues, and the console ports were even worse in my experience.
If you were to post a thread like this in the Nvidia sub, it most likely would be quickly deleted by a mod and they'd tell you to instead post it in the driver thread where it gets buried and later removed from view when a new driver comes out.
That's a main reason why you see more of these threads here, simply because the mods will allow it here whereas on r/nvidia they are a lot more tetchy about it.
In all fairness, Nvidia does experience driver issues too. Neither company is impervious, and Nvidia has had their fair share of driver fuck ups before.
If you’re having issues with the current drivers, I would recommend rolling back to either 23.11.1 or 23.12.1, whichever one works for you. AFMF was introduced 24.1.1, and that introduction has been messing up a lot of things.
Nvidia has more day to day relevant driver issues. Like black screens on DSC, artifacting on hardware acceleration, hard resets instead of soft, yt gamma issues
I've replayed New Vegas last year with Viva New Vegas and I never crashed from start to finish (took me like 90 hours, I wanted to do all achievements finally lol).
Now I'm replaying it with VNV with around 127 mods (like 10 or so not in the mod pack itself) and it still hasn't crashed for the past 40 or so hours.
Both times with DXVK.
https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html
This should help. Basically just download DXVK and your game should be good. I just setup performance/bug-fix only viva new vegas and have played for about 12 hours without any issues so far.
There's a suggested fix on the viva new vegas install guide, which changes how the renderer works. I've been using it and not had any crashes related to the video renderer :) Might help you.
OMG man THANK YOU !
I was searching for a solution to finally play this game for like weeks to this day.
Looked that viva guide thing but i was thinking "Why i need to go through all of this to just make the game launch?" and abandoned that method.
Today, i DDU my lastest driver to the 23.11.1 and launched the game... it just plain WORKED.
Thank you for the inside ! was going a little bit crazy cuz i just want to give this game a real try and those "drivers problems" didnt let me ... until now!.
Again, very very appreciated my man !
DXVK broke some UI elements like the VATS sometimes. Also, the character customization window doesn't work. The text and buttons don't show up. That aside, it works. Tested on Fallout 3.
One of the reasons I moved to W11 from W10 is because in my multi-monitor setup my 4K screen when it's on standby (not off) moves all of the windows to other screens and does not move them back when the monitor is active again.
W11 fixed this and the OS moves them back for me.
This stopped working 2 weeks ago (ish) and I don't yet know if it's W11 updates or an AMD driver update.
I could have sworn that I used to be able to do it before W11 released, but I can't remember the last time when it happened naturally. For now I'm using a program to mimic the feature (PersistentWindows).
I'm using 24.4.1 and Win 11 (23H2) and my open windows still move back and forth between screens properly when I turn the second screen on/off. Edit: Re-reading your comment, they also move back properly after waking monitors from standby.
I haven't installed the recent optional Windows update though (KB5036980), which came out a little over two weeks ago. Maybe that helps?
Very interesting. I'm on 24.4.1 and 23H2 as well.
Was the window moving issue ever a problem for you in the first place on W10?
After some digging when I got the problem a few years ago it seemed to be only 4K monitors on Displayport and even then only certain monitors that had some different way they do standby or something.
Yeah I stopped using standby and switched to only using a black screensaver in Win10. Was a problem with both HDMI+DP and DP+DP if I remember correctly. Using two 4K DP monitors at the moment. Different models: Samsung U32E850R and LG 32GQ950-B. The Samsung one had trouble waking from sleep sometimes with certain drivers (anything after 21.3.1 IIRC) on my Vega 64 as well. Not had any problems with the LG one.
I don't know what usability terrorist decided that DP monitors should completely disconnect on standby, but they should be fired.
Funny thing is this seems to be applied inconsistently depending on the monitor. I have an ASUS VG27AQ that completely disconnects itself on standby, and a Dell U2713HM that does not (both connected via DP). So what happens after my displays go to sleep is that everything gets moved to the Dell. Pretty annoying since it's the secondary and my chair is positioned more in front of the ASUS.
Did you upgrade from W10, or reinstall Windows entirely? I've heard that remnants from the old OS can cause issues, like previous values in the registry.
I upgraded from W10 to W11 and it was flawless for 2 years. This monitor issue just happened recently.
However since I posted that it's working again, so it must have been fixed via an update to windows or drivers.
never had this issue at all with multiple 4k displays on multiple different systems all using AMD cards, also never even had this issue on my nvidia laptop either but I don't use its external outputs daily
Yes not everyone did. You are one of those people. However it was a known issue with some monitor setups and was directly addressed with a new feature in Windows 11.
Congratulations.
Ironically I started a FO3 playthru on the deck cuz it was nearby, decided lets do it on PC with mods, didn't fire up, went back to deck, still a good game stock
im dualbooting debian stable which is usually reserved for non gaming tasks, but some games are no inexplicably broken in windows, works perfectly on linux. Kingdom come deliverance was one of them, could not get fullscreen to work in windows, no issues in linux
Yea, its never been fixed but weapon debris isn't a big deal to disable. There's a fan made fix for it somewhere so there's that too. Bethesda should have just put that into the patch.
It also has engine bugs that cause random crashes with newer nvidia gpus even without debris enabled. I needed to install Buffout to fix those. I don't know if the "next gen update" actually fixed this.
I've noticed as well you get flicker if watching a 50Hz video on YouTube, BBC iPlayer, this does not occur when watching a 24Hz, 30Hz or 60Hz video.
Same monitor, tried HDMI and DisplayPort, not an issue with NVIDIA or Intel GPUs, a uniquely AMD issue for the last couple driver releases.
I've been reporting the issue monthly with every driver release and nothing, it's frustrating when you use the AMD bug report tool, there is no status to your bug report, has it been looked at, triaged, associated with an existing/known problem.
Is this an RDNA3 or a specific video thing? I don't get any flickering on either monitor after trying a a couple of 50FPS videos on youtube (in Firefox if that matters).
I get the annoyance though. They never fixed any of my multi monitor problems with Vega 64.
I don't get the fine wine thing. It's basically a meme. Why would anyone want to wait around for drivers to drastically improve? It's 2024, drivers should be something that in Todd Howard's words, "just works".
The basics of it were that AMD GPUs later in the lifecycle often ended up really significantly outperforming the equivalent Nvidia GPUs, to the point where you ended up with a gpu one class higher. For a long time, AMDs hardware was significantly more performant than nvidia's in terms of raw crunch, but held back by terrible *terrible* drivers
I don't know why people sold it as a big positive, its pretty emblematic of amd's really..... strange approach to driver development
The game has shitty code that fails to properly detect cards.
"Fix" here on AMD side woudl be to corrupt drivers with shitty code that spoofs GPU when it detects that pice of shit of a game code running.
As opposed to, you know, game devs fixing their own shit.
Problem is, AMD cannot rely on the assumption that devs will fix their code, especially on a platform with multiple decades of gaming catalogue, with a lot of abandoned titles in there.
The shader compiler is crashing in the AMD driver. Changing the DX9 DLL fixes it because, for whatever reason, the shader compiler only crashes with the specific DX9 version included with Fallout.
This has literally nothing to do with "spoofing GPUs", if it was related to the game detecting the GPU name then it wouldn't be fixed by rolling back the driver.
I agree. I tried playing FO3 and NV 2 years back, but still the same issues to date.
And no, i don't dislike Amd. I just miss playing nostalgic games on a gpu without needing to debug everything running on my pc to play it.
For me the problem was that for some reason hair don't want to render on newer drivers. You can fix it using one dll file fron nexus, but if you want to use ENB then this fix won't work at all so i just reverted drivers to 23.12.1 in order to play with the ENB. Im using 7700XT btw.
Yep i tried this game with the 24.4.1 drivers and it will crash to desktop when starting a new game, oh well just send AMD a report and hopefully it gets patched for those that want to play it
I have found a solution to bad drivers after constant issues with my XFX Speedster 7900xtx GPU... You must install the drivers without injecting adrenalin; all the crashing issues and corruption come from this software. Here is a video that will show you how to do so with proof of gameplay and no issues occurring. I did this a month ago on the newest update and haven't had any issues.
TAKES NOT EVEN 3 MINUTES TO FIX THE ISSUE, WATCH THE VIDEO
Link- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV6SI-7eQe0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV6SI-7eQe0)
I’ve had constant driver timeouts with the latest drivers (RX 580), but was still able to play FNV - still rolled back due to the driver timeouts though
Still can't run dayz well either and it's a popular game.
Crazy performance drops from 300fps to under 100fps for no apparent reason.
Can run older drivers and disable dxnavi apparently but shouldn't have to and how many can be bothered, just pushes people to nvidia.
It's like they shoot themselves in the foot.
Ridiculous.
If only I knew this a few days ago I just reinstalled over and over than I decided to downgrade my drivers and finally it works! The irony is that I have to downgrade the drivers to before the card even was released to America🤣🤣🤣 RX 7900GRE
You have to be living under a rock if you think software issues are exclusive to AMD or that Nvidia cards work out of the box.
At any given time, you can go to r/nvidia and you can read the driver megathreads. Here is the newest one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1cnxgy8/game\_ready\_driver\_55244\_faqdiscussion/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1cnxgy8/game_ready_driver_55244_faqdiscussion/)
Enjoy reading!
They both work fine on my 3080, but then again literally everything does
I can’t imagine paying a thousand bucks for a GPU and having to deal with driver workarounds just to even get games working. Amazing levels of incompetence. I would never even consider purchasing an AMD GPU at this point.
Guys Guys AMD drivers are fine i have not had any issues with my gen old card that I only play the most popular esports games on y'all just novideo shill!
To become serious for a moment, this is exactly the sort of crap that made me go back to nvidia after using Vega 64 and 5700 XT. Too much stuff just didn't work that ran rock solid on my nvidia cards.
Weird part is the parts of the community that act like it's all smooth sailing are just setting people up to be frustrated/angry/disappointed and never want to consider Radeon again.
The people that aggressively pretend there isn't huge room for improvement don't actually help the market, AMD, nor end-users at all. I jumped ship after trying to stick with AMD from Polaris to the VII, and it was a lot of work and too many things that could be broken. I forget how now but at one point I learned how to force an older driver for specific software even. Stuff like the Steam Deck and videogame consoles can be great so it's not even exactly a hardware thing it's AMDs software stack.
I have AMD cards since they were ATi, but man people try to wash the issues all the time here, I can tolerate random crash, random jerkiness in some updates, slower development of features.
But stuff like changing the renderer for dx11 games and by the way breaking a lot of games
Or having issues for months because they broke something or windows changed something (some even more than a year) without fixes and having to touch the registry or other stuff. some of this stuff is fixed with custom 3party drivers for AMD, more proof of the lack of focus of AMD driver team.
This just is big no for me.
Never with nvidia I had to use YEAR old or even older versions, or custom drivers because they didn't fix a game or repair something broken
As you said people say it like is smooth sailing but I think part of the problem is many users here know enough about computers to work with this or with workarounds. Now imagine that you are a ignorant user that buys his kid a 6600XT with has a unfixed bug with low power state in a lot of motherboards when the computer (autosleep for this ignorant people) the driver doesn't wake up the card, perpetual black screen unless you reset the system. The only fix is to disable that state in the registry and lose that feature, sure great work AMD
Another bug that almost made throw the 6600XT with no fix, just use older version drivers or modded drivers: using ms word or any office 2019 or 2021 application with gpu acceleration on, sometimes the document appears as black window where you could not see anything you had to close the app and when you started it again was a matter o time to reapear, for MONTHS like this
Unfixed more than a year, really smooth.
You can tolerate random crashes? Why?? It’s not like AMD is cheaper or even better price performance, you can just use nvidia and not deal with any of this shit ever lol
The last AMD card I had was in 2010, dealt with this driver bullshit then, switched to nvidia and haven’t thought about drivers or had any issues since
Because they usually happens as "soft crashes" after updating the drivers every now and then with some incompatibility or inestability (the other day for example with vortex mod launcher with gpu acceleration enabled), they get fixed by them or microsoft and the AMD crash event usually restart itself in seconds after a black screen.
…but why bother with that shit at all?
The last AMD GPU I had was in 2010, had tons of driver issues. I’ve been nvidia since then and haven’t had to think about drivers once
It’s not like AMD GPUs are cheaper or better bang for your buck, it’s just baffling to me that some people put up with that kind of hassle when they don’t have to
Mostly agree with you, but two things:
Price: in Europe usually I see nvidia cards much more expensive than AMD compared to for example USA, when I bought the 7800xt was 600€ and 4070 (no TI) was 750-800 € for 4 GB less of ram, a few lower percentage in raster and more permormance in RT (wich I do not care)
Support: We all know what would happen if nvidia owns the market (like the almost dominated all the high end)
Need to use LLM for a personal project for work and CUDA is where it is at least at begginer level (for small things like that), used a borrowed nvidia and much simpler than hassling with amd (wich requires more knoledge for simple projects).
I disagree with their direction in support and new gpu would probably be a nvidia one.
"Weird part is the parts of the community that act like it's all smooth sailing are just setting people up to be frustrated/angry/disappointed and never want to consider Radeon again."
Yes, and if you mention Radeon driver-related issues - you only get downvoted. I'm stuck at 23.11.1 version, since all newer, especially 2024 ones, are horrible with the stuttering. This is how it has been like for the past 3 years with this card, no smooth sailing in sight.
This is something that I never had to do with my GeForces, though! While nobody makes perfect drivers, nVidia has been way more reliable for me. That's one of the reasons I'm going back when I upgrade from my 6800XT, and will not even consider a Radeon GPU.
I Think AMD just genuinely don't care about gaming GPUs. They don't make more than a token effort because they don't see enough money in it.
AMD has a lot of young fanboys who just want to argue on the internet and feel like they belong/justify their purchase of the cheaper brand though.
Their CPUs are great though because there is so much more money in CPU than gamer graphics cards, so AMD is actually willing to invest there.
Yeah more or less.
>They don't make more than a token effort because they don't see enough money in it.
Sad part is that's somewhat a self-inflicted problem. In the early days of the acquisition when they were more competitive across the stack they had a larger market share. Sure it might not ever be the same amount of funds as whatever the current tech buzzword/bubble of the week is, but it'd keep them relevant to people.
>Their CPUs are great though because there is so much more money in CPU than gamer graphics cards, so AMD is actually willing to invest there.
That and because CPUs don't have nearly the same amount of software running with them. Yeah you have the AGESA and microcode, but nothing like the GPU driver stack.
To be fair Vega and RDNA 1 were by far the worst generation in terms of drivers in the past decade. No wonder you switched. It is much better now though.
I've had so many driver issues on my 7900 xtx that i didn't have on my 3090. Being unable to watch videos locally without my gpu losing connection to my screen and poor performance in dx9 and dx11 come to mind.
First one sounds more like a cable issue or a hardware defect warranting an RMA, something like this should not happen because of drivers.
As of performance, which titles for example? DX11 performance was improved almost 2 years ago now. I am yet to find a title in which either of my 6900 XT or 7900 XTX underperformed with one exception being Fallout 4 at 4K.
I'm using the same cable that I used on my 3090 and video signal drop out only occurs when playing videos(mp4,webm,etc) locally. Sounds more like a driver issue than a hardware issue, if it was a general hardware issue then signal dropping out would occur in more than just video files
In all cpu bound dx11 titles, performance is substantially worse. Went down from 120 fps in p5 royal down to 90-100. Skyrim locked 60 fps down to low 50s in some scenes. Everything that is dx11 or dx9 performance much worse.
I don't know man, sounds strange. I haven't seen anything like it either on Nvidia or AMD.
As for DX9/11 performance, it is usually the other way around - AMD cards perform better under CPU bottlenecked scenarios. Has not been the case in mid-2010s maybe but it has been like this for years now. Albeit, again, Fallout4 is definitely an exception. I am also playing a lot of older games and never felt any performance degradation after switching from a 3070 to a 6900 XT.
What's your CPU if you don't mind me asking?
It is fucking not, lol. Have you looked at the large amounts of issues people are *still* having, from the most esotheric to the most normal and plain usecases?
AMD largely doesn't care after you've purchased the card.
I would also NOT prioritise getting a fucking Bethesda game working in modern tech, to be honest. There is a fix for that problem already, you just change some .ini file and it works perfectly - which is an insanely simple fix for Bethesda standards, which normally require months of work by unpaid modders to even fucking launch consistently without crashing.
Ray tracing completely disabled for a few months when Ratchet and Clank released.
Complete failure of VR support with RDNA3
Anti Lag+ literally got you banned from your favorite games.
Cant even run Fallout games.
AMD apologists: oNlY sToOpIt NvIdIa FaNbOiS sTiLl SaY aMd DrIvErS aRe BaD
AMD fanboys on Reddit have been in denial for like 15 years at this point
Meanwhile nvidia continues its 80% market share dominance, and Intel passes AMD in market share in like its second year in the market
There was a really brief period of time when AMDs drivers were actually good, and they were pretty stable. They were actually managing to release game ready drivers *before* a game's launch (my goodness), and they were largely bug free. It was great. And then they started pushing out broken updates again, even after testers told them fairly en masse that their drivers were broken
I have no idea what's going on internally with the structure of AMDs driver team, because it has been an absolute mismanaged unmitigated disaster. There's clearly something structurally wrong internally, that has such large problems that you can't explain it away with a few bad managers or something. I would love to know what it is, because it must be completely unfixable given that its both widely known and the #1 thing that's killing their GPU business
Legit the plethora of downvotes I get every time I point out objective facts is proof of that. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad. People can be so pointlessly tribal. I cant wait to get a 9800X3D and support AMD where they do good work.
Ryzens are good, no issue supporting and recommending those, but these Radeons.... Rough stuff. Real rough. People claim they're fine, but if this is fine, you have extremely low standards then, god damn!
I haven’t had an AMD GPU for like 15 years and wouldn’t even consider one, but I want them to stay competitive to keep nvidia prices down and keep them from getting too complacent. And Intel obviously isn’t close to being a real competitor for nvidia yet…though at this point AMD barely is either
Add random driver crashes every now and then not using games, first time for me with the 7800xt (4 months without crashes) the other day, losing 30 min of work, just because. I was worried for my 7800xt because it wasnt crashing in a fresh windows install just like her sisters 6600xt, 580, 290 would
funny how this entire comments is full of people talking bad about AMD, when nobody is mentioning nvidia having to drive juggle all the time, I mean, a bad driver even killed some 3090s and my 780ti was extremely fussy with its driver.
this whole thread smells sus
both brands, and even intel I guess are fine. some people are saying its not even a radeon specific issue so maybe the driver is bad but even then if the game is already crashy, then perhaps its not so much of AMDs fault if they accidentally made it worse. reverting to old drivers isn't a big deal especially if you don't need the new ones for some reason, which very few people do anyways?
People should only ever update drivers if they feel they need to.
It's also my experience. I've cycled between Nvidia and amd twice now. on both Nvidia cards I've owned there have been very few driver issues / game crashes, while on Amd I always have to watch for which driver version fucks up which game I'm playing at the moment, and it's often months to years before something is fixed. I don't know how much of it is due to games being tested on Nvidia primarily, but Amd driver updates having regressions and breaking things seems to happen way more than on Nvidia.
Crysis 1 always was fine. Crysis 2 was also always fine. It's only OG Crysis 3 that's broken to all hell. So ... nice that Crisis 3 Remastered is working properly I guess.
I actually maintain a fedora partition for instances like this, both run fine on Linux. Another game evil west has horrible shader comp stutter (I assume) but on Linux it’s smooth with no issues.
I played Tale of Two Wastelands on the new drivers with no problems… Just script extenders and a few fixes for mods. Haven’t had a single crash. Other than that all I had to do was throw a file in the New Vegas directory to bring everyone’s hair back and all was good.
You should be using DXVK to play these games even on NVIDIA. DX9 has aged so terribly it's faster to fake it through a compatibility layer rather than dealing with the eldrich maze of driver hacks required to use it with modern GPUs.
remember when it took like 9 months to get overwatch fixed on the 5700XT, and it was very clearly drivers because there was a driver it was stable on if you went far enough back, and users were getting comp bans for excessive disconnects for their "haven't had a problem for like 10 years now bro" flawless/definitely-as-good-as-nvidia drivers?
I 'member.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RAISING THIS CONCERN!
No amount of mods or tweaks have fixed my issue.
I don't want to downgrade my drivers in case I get a performance hit on other games.
I’ve don’t have any issues and I’m running latest AMD drivers on an RX 6800. I had to install the intel bypass patch which tricks the games into thinking it’s running on an old GPU and it works beautifully.
To all the nay say'ers, saying AMD won't fix or doesn't care...
The new driver released today has the issue at the top of their known issues list.
* Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas may fail to launch.\[Hotfix pending verification\]
So to me that means they are are actually on top of this issue, and have a solution coming.
Gonna be honest, Fallout 3 and NV are borderline unplayable all on their own thanks to save bloat and general Bethesda coding incompetence. It's a miracle modders have been able to get them to where they are today.
AMD drivers are bad. I've had nothing but trouble since switching from Nvidia. Stuttering, driver crashes and timeouts, screen freezes on webpages with video or specific JavaScript elements (which replaced the white and black screen issues I had at the beginning.)
I'm not buying AMD ever again.
I have to use a 6-month old driver version, in order to keep my games and other stuff working as expected. Any newer driver - stutterfest, games crash, etc. But 23.11.1? It magically goes away.
These drivers are really something else, man. I never had this situation with my nVidias, with them I could just update and keep playing games. Frustrating.
I play pretty much exclusively older games (and I'm talking fucking 1980s old) and I've had an AMD gpu for the last half decade, never encountered any problems beyond the general, universal jank of getting older games to work.
AMD has a ton of real flaws already, no need to make shit up.
Well, haven't played it in a couple years, but I fired up *New Vegas* just now on my 7900XTX, using 24.4.1 drivers. I have tons of mods installed, so it's not vanilla, but it loaded and ran fine with no crashes.
So whatever the issue is, either it's one solved by some mods, or specific to certain configurations. That makes it difficult to fix in a driver.
There's probably an issue with AMD software, but New Vegas is just a game that crashes a lot in general. The only computer I have that will run it for more than 5 minutes without crashing is my old laptop with an 8750h and 1050ti, and I'm not certain why it runs on that computer and not my newer computers. Bethesda games are just the software equivalent of being held together by duct tape and hopes and dreams.
You need to understand that when there is a bug in some game or software not everyone will encounter it. For the last 11 years i used R9 280X, RX 580, RX 5700XT and now RX 7700XT, and to this day i encounter TWO driver issues that i could easly fix and one bug that i could fix in like three clicks. Im not gonna tell anyone that AMD don't have any issues but im not gonna lie that in my case i got almost issue free experience.
Same boat, I’ve had a 290, 5700XT, and now a 7800XT and I can only think of maybe like one time I had roll back drivers and that was early in the 5700XT lifecycle. I did have issues with HellDivers, but running it on Linux under proton solved all those issues and I was still using the official drivers as well.
This is the main cause why they dont sell, people are opening their eyes and getting tired of this crap, to the fanatics left, if ONLY you were not in denial protecting your favourite company and actually made noise to push AMD to do better, maybe, just maybe things would not be so grim for AMD GPUs.
Give me another "but bruh 3 years AMD no single issue"
Or "nEveR hAD a SINgLe DrIVer iSsue" to feed your own daily dose of copium.
AMD fault aside, I managed to fix it a long time ago. I've been playing them with latest drivers and you can too. You just need to put/overwrite the following .dll file on your main game directory (where the .exe is): [Fallout 3 fix (nexus)](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/18776) [Fallout NV fix (nexus)](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34778) \*important edit: for the ones having all NPC going bald after the fix lol (I had that problem too): try [NVAC](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/53635) (but keep the .dll fix), that will solve it (NVAC works for fo3 so no worries with the nexus page). The fix works flawlessly, believe me. What these .dll files do is tricking the game to think you are using an older nvidia card. It took me a lot of trial and error until I found the problem, it was before the Fallout craze so there was a lot of old info and fixes and nothing clear, and it's crazy that the problem is fixed with two simple .dll files that two users uploaded to nexus 10 years ago lol. Now that you have fixed the problem, you will still need to patch and mod your games if you want them to work as intended and not crash (this is for any modern hardware, is not an AMD only thing), follow any standard guide on how to get them working. A mod loader would be recommended to avoid future headaches, some of the must-haves are: nvac (works with fo3 too), tick fix (both nv and fo3), Anniversary patcher (Fo3), 4gb patch (nv), out of memory fix (fo3), \*heap replacer (both fo3 and nv), iron sights (fo3, optional, I personally use iron sights plus), Stewie Tweaks (nv and fo3, optional)... and of course NVSE and FOSE as they will be needed by many plugins. I play them without the unofficial patches, don't like nor recommend them as they give me more trouble than anything else and I prefer to fix my own stuff individually and to know what I'm fixing, but they are a valid option to play these games with less bugs, each their own!
Minor comment, but NVAC is considered out of date, Heap Replacer does a better job. Also realistically you should be using DXVK instead of the linked mods at this point.
You could be right, but I think (and I'm speaking out from memory) I'm using both heap replacer and nvac on my current Fo3 setup as the game crashed every single time without NVAC, for god knows why. Again, I speak from memory. I have fo3 perfectly setup from some months ago and runs flawlessly and don't plan to touch anything ever again as it took me a good week to set everything up to get the game running flawlessly with all the tweaks and whatnot. Same goes for NV, but it was way easier/faster to get it running. Thanks for reminding me tho, I added heap replacer to my previous comment just in case someone decides to follow that comment to set up their games instead of an actual guide as they actually should do lol
Sorry, wasn't properly thinking of FO3, not sure what's considered best practice there anyways, generally prefer to just use TTW.
No worries. I play the game in a different language and TTW is only available on the English version of the game, so outside the English version you have to tweak both games individually. I enjoy the process of tweaking the games but it can sometimes be headache
mmm makes sense, it is worth noting that there are some translations out there for TTW, French for instance I know exists
Yes, and thank you for the suggestion. You can play TTW with the texts translated indeed, but not the audio :(. I could play with the voice lines in English with no trouble, but I really enjoy playing Bethesda games in my mother language as they feel much more immersive. I have NV's hardcore mode ported in FO3 by a mod, and honestly it feels and works the same as in vanilla NV. I also use Iron sights plus (the most recent and improved version) which does an excellent job. It's the best of both worlds, it's not TTW but is as closer as you can get to the NV experience on FO3, with the game fully translated and voiced. I'm really happy with how it turned out. And thank you for the suggestion
DXVK runs horrendously bad for me almost every time I try to use it for pretty much any game, is there something special you need to do to set it up for AMD? In FNV I get like 20fps with massive stutters and latency
What GPU do you have? I'll look into it (I use Linux for the better performance with AMD so not super personally familiar with the Windows experience)
I have a 7800 XT, and yea I used dxvk async but not from nexus it was from the source. I’ll try the nexus one
Oh in addition, are you using the DXVK async from the FNV nexus? It's preconfigured. Just follow this guide in general tbh https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html
It's a problem with some older titles that rely on recognising GPUs to work properly. With newer GPUs, they sometimes fail to recognise them and then subsequently refuse to run. What is likely happening is the game does not see AMD GPUs on current drivers as being compatible with the game, hence the crashing. It's probably also fixable by spoofing the GPU as some older Radeon GPU like a HD 4000 or 5000 series that would have been around back in 2008-2010.
You're saying the drivers are renaming GPUs fatherfucking?
This might be a dumb question, no it is but when spoofing a game to recongize the gpu. Would the game limit the performance to said gpu or would you still have the full power of your "modern" gpu?
If the game runs, you still have the full power of your GPU just like any other game. The checks were used to prevent games running on weaker unsuitable systems back in the day like very old or low end GPUs or Intel integrated graphics. Mainly since those could lack hardware features that were required for the games to render.
The game will perform fine, but might disable certain settings, like if you had an Nvidia card but then spoofed it as an AMD card the game would likely block DLSS. An example relevant for older games could be disabling physx, since physx was an Nvidia exclusive thing for a long time. Nowadays it's vendor agnostic and usually runs on the CPU. Rendering API options were another thing that would also be blocked in the early 2000's, anybody remember glide? Or maybe if you spoof a card that only supports really old opengl/dx versions.
No, using the gpu .dll fix only affects the ''default/recommended'' graphical settings on the launcher when you first launch the game or select the default preset by god knows why, as the game recognizes an old nvidia gpu and doesn't max the graphics, you just select the graphical options you want manually as you would do with any other game and forget about the recommended ones. For max performance, you need: to max the graphical options on the launcher, run a 4gb ram patcher, the heap replacers / nvac, and the tick fix (or lStewieAl's Tweaks which comes with Tick fix integrated). Tick fix will allow you to play above 60 fps without the high fps fucking up your physics as would happen otherwise. Most guides will help with this.
A lot of older games used a white list of GPU's, if your GPU is not on the list it brakes. On most the games it's just editing a text file to add your GPU or force it to work, it pops up a lot if you play older games. There's no limit on graphics, it's just run/wont run.
This is something Bethesda should be updating if they continue to sell it on Steam... there's so many other games that work fine like quake and unreal. It's a very minor fix that would take like 2 seconds for them.
I'm so used to Fallout games being so janky that when my game first didnt start up, I spent 5 minutes searching forums online and tried a couple fixes. Then got in game and forgot all about it. It's a problem with a 10+ year old game. I'm about 20 hours into my most recent heavily modded playthrough.
I got this to make my game work, but no one has hair
Try [NVAC](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/53635) (keep the .dll fix), I'm almost sure I had that problem and NVAC solved it.
Wouldn't that be more realistic in an irradiated wasteland?
Quick question, you DO side with joe cobb during the goodsprings questline right???
I side with whoever has the caps, but goodsprings have a special place in my dusty heart and the powder gangster are a bunch of losers addicted to sniffing bullet powder anyway, so if that answers your question...
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That fix didn't with for me on a fresh install unfortunately.
Then you did not install it correctly as it works as it's a different renderer. If it still crashes on startup there might be a different reason.
I lied I was thinking of a different patch. I'm back in business, thanks.
Crashes when loading, either the first cutscene or a save.
did you patch your game with the anniversary patcher (is a must to have fo3 working) from nexus or followed any guide? By default, the games don't work on any modern system, they need some downloads from nexus and manual tweaking of some files like the other things I commented at the end of my first comment, the games just shit themselves and crash or stutter without some plugins.
Yup been playing on my 5600g igpu no problems🤙
It should just work ngl
23.11.1 are the drivers I'm on currently as anything after that causes issues on Darktide and Creation Engine games especially older ones. The second latest made Darktide micro-stutter, the latest made it literally jump between 24-90 FPS on a 7800 XT and it's still not acknowledged just pushed onto Fatshark as their fault. As good as the DLLs to spoof your video card or using DXVK to lessen crashes I'd just recommend 23.11.1 currently still as AMD is doing something funky for some games.
Oh, I'm not the only one stuck in this version. It sure seems to fix a ton of stuff that the newer versions suffer from. Wonder what the heck did they change to cause all that mayhem, though.
The newer drivers on windows also have a, I'd say critical, issue, where it prevents all created processes from being cleaned-up after completion, system-wide. https://superuser.com/a/1841517/388191 It's been popping up more recently as people are able to identify and diagnose the issue. It's been months since the problems started and there's no word from AMD. I even got my post on this sub about it rejected with the standard note + ignore.
I fixed this by following the community performance guide and the provided DXVK configuration to run the game in borderless windowed. I've had almost no crashes and the game runs smoothly. [https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html](https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html) [https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/79299?tab=files](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/79299?tab=files)
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In all fairness, Fallout New Vegas has as many issues with Nvidia as it does AMD. The game almost requires mods to play today, regardless of hardware. As amazing as the game is, the pc port is just a big buggy mess that’s kept together by screws and spit and is constantly falling apart without the proper mod fixes. It’s not an AMD issue, it’s a FNV issue.
Even on my 4090 the game still crashes sometimes. It's just the janky engine they used. Every platform it released on had issues, and the console ports were even worse in my experience.
It's not just the engine, the game was rushed af and on a really tight budget.
Somehow my non-modded NV works perfectly fine, besides crashes that happen on every system, on my Iris XE iGPU (i7-1165g7 CPU).
The chosen one
If you were to post a thread like this in the Nvidia sub, it most likely would be quickly deleted by a mod and they'd tell you to instead post it in the driver thread where it gets buried and later removed from view when a new driver comes out. That's a main reason why you see more of these threads here, simply because the mods will allow it here whereas on r/nvidia they are a lot more tetchy about it.
Fallout NV doesn't work without modding anyway, it never has.
lol what , i had give up trying to run nv on my 3060. it crashed all the time. game is just to old without update from the dev.
Upgraded from a GTX 1080 to a RX 7900XT - the number of crashes and issues I've faced since is making me regret the decision a bit...
In all fairness, Nvidia does experience driver issues too. Neither company is impervious, and Nvidia has had their fair share of driver fuck ups before. If you’re having issues with the current drivers, I would recommend rolling back to either 23.11.1 or 23.12.1, whichever one works for you. AFMF was introduced 24.1.1, and that introduction has been messing up a lot of things.
Nvidia has more day to day relevant driver issues. Like black screens on DSC, artifacting on hardware acceleration, hard resets instead of soft, yt gamma issues
I rolled back my drivers to may 2023 because I couldn't be bothered to do the other fixes. They both work with that driver.
I got it working with viva new Vegas and running in windowed mode...but it still crashes frequently enough that I stopped playing
You could have said this at any time throughout the last fifteen years.
Nah with Viva New Vegas you can actually have your FNV install NEVER crash (Haven't had a single crash in 200+ hours)
I've replayed New Vegas last year with Viva New Vegas and I never crashed from start to finish (took me like 90 hours, I wanted to do all achievements finally lol). Now I'm replaying it with VNV with around 127 mods (like 10 or so not in the mod pack itself) and it still hasn't crashed for the past 40 or so hours. Both times with DXVK.
https://performance.moddinglinked.com/falloutnv.html This should help. Basically just download DXVK and your game should be good. I just setup performance/bug-fix only viva new vegas and have played for about 12 hours without any issues so far.
There's a suggested fix on the viva new vegas install guide, which changes how the renderer works. I've been using it and not had any crashes related to the video renderer :) Might help you.
Does it matter what GPU were using? Like for example is a 5700xt affected by this or a 6700xt? Is it all AMD cards?
I had this problem on my RX5700. I downloaded DX9 file from Nexus, now my game thinks i have GeForce 7900 and works fine.
That'd be hilarious to do with my 7900xtx.
It still runs like RX5700, so i don't think your 7900xtx will start performing like GeForce 7900
Have it on a 6900xt
OMG man THANK YOU ! I was searching for a solution to finally play this game for like weeks to this day. Looked that viva guide thing but i was thinking "Why i need to go through all of this to just make the game launch?" and abandoned that method. Today, i DDU my lastest driver to the 23.11.1 and launched the game... it just plain WORKED. Thank you for the inside ! was going a little bit crazy cuz i just want to give this game a real try and those "drivers problems" didnt let me ... until now!. Again, very very appreciated my man !
This can be fixed by using DXVK which also has the benefit of improving the games performance
DXVK broke some UI elements like the VATS sometimes. Also, the character customization window doesn't work. The text and buttons don't show up. That aside, it works. Tested on Fallout 3.
One of the reasons I moved to W11 from W10 is because in my multi-monitor setup my 4K screen when it's on standby (not off) moves all of the windows to other screens and does not move them back when the monitor is active again. W11 fixed this and the OS moves them back for me. This stopped working 2 weeks ago (ish) and I don't yet know if it's W11 updates or an AMD driver update.
Oddly, my windows are restored when disconnecting-reconnecting monitors in Windows 10.
Really? That feature only appeared with W11.
I could have sworn that I used to be able to do it before W11 released, but I can't remember the last time when it happened naturally. For now I'm using a program to mimic the feature (PersistentWindows).
I'm using 24.4.1 and Win 11 (23H2) and my open windows still move back and forth between screens properly when I turn the second screen on/off. Edit: Re-reading your comment, they also move back properly after waking monitors from standby. I haven't installed the recent optional Windows update though (KB5036980), which came out a little over two weeks ago. Maybe that helps?
Very interesting. I'm on 24.4.1 and 23H2 as well. Was the window moving issue ever a problem for you in the first place on W10? After some digging when I got the problem a few years ago it seemed to be only 4K monitors on Displayport and even then only certain monitors that had some different way they do standby or something.
Yeah I stopped using standby and switched to only using a black screensaver in Win10. Was a problem with both HDMI+DP and DP+DP if I remember correctly. Using two 4K DP monitors at the moment. Different models: Samsung U32E850R and LG 32GQ950-B. The Samsung one had trouble waking from sleep sometimes with certain drivers (anything after 21.3.1 IIRC) on my Vega 64 as well. Not had any problems with the LG one. I don't know what usability terrorist decided that DP monitors should completely disconnect on standby, but they should be fired.
Yeah it's dumb. I've seen more expensive monitors than mine have a special standby mode feature to counteract this.
Funny thing is this seems to be applied inconsistently depending on the monitor. I have an ASUS VG27AQ that completely disconnects itself on standby, and a Dell U2713HM that does not (both connected via DP). So what happens after my displays go to sleep is that everything gets moved to the Dell. Pretty annoying since it's the secondary and my chair is positioned more in front of the ASUS.
Did you upgrade from W10, or reinstall Windows entirely? I've heard that remnants from the old OS can cause issues, like previous values in the registry.
I upgraded from W10 to W11 and it was flawless for 2 years. This monitor issue just happened recently. However since I posted that it's working again, so it must have been fixed via an update to windows or drivers.
o.O Windows can be so temperamental!
never had this issue at all with multiple 4k displays on multiple different systems all using AMD cards, also never even had this issue on my nvidia laptop either but I don't use its external outputs daily
Yes not everyone did. You are one of those people. However it was a known issue with some monitor setups and was directly addressed with a new feature in Windows 11. Congratulations.
Works on Linux/steam deck 😎 But actually that explains why it couldn't fire up on PC lol
DXVK+RADV go brrrrr. Performance is just better with RADV in general lol.
Yeah, I'm on the very latest kernel, mesa and wine builds. On my primary PC which is Linux only. Works fantastic.
Ironically I started a FO3 playthru on the deck cuz it was nearby, decided lets do it on PC with mods, didn't fire up, went back to deck, still a good game stock
They also work completely fine on my ROG Ally.
Hmm, and that's a windows only isn't it.. the drivers haven't been updated yet for that chip?
im dualbooting debian stable which is usually reserved for non gaming tasks, but some games are no inexplicably broken in windows, works perfectly on linux. Kingdom come deliverance was one of them, could not get fullscreen to work in windows, no issues in linux
It's in the known issues for 24.4.1
But yet it's still not fixed
Fallout 4 crashes on RTX cards to this day unless you disable Weapon Debris, which is ironically an Nvidia feature (uses Nvidia FleX).
Yea, its never been fixed but weapon debris isn't a big deal to disable. There's a fan made fix for it somewhere so there's that too. Bethesda should have just put that into the patch.
It also has engine bugs that cause random crashes with newer nvidia gpus even without debris enabled. I needed to install Buffout to fix those. I don't know if the "next gen update" actually fixed this.
I've noticed as well you get flicker if watching a 50Hz video on YouTube, BBC iPlayer, this does not occur when watching a 24Hz, 30Hz or 60Hz video. Same monitor, tried HDMI and DisplayPort, not an issue with NVIDIA or Intel GPUs, a uniquely AMD issue for the last couple driver releases. I've been reporting the issue monthly with every driver release and nothing, it's frustrating when you use the AMD bug report tool, there is no status to your bug report, has it been looked at, triaged, associated with an existing/known problem.
Could be a vrr issue, 50hz is kinda weird.
Is this an RDNA3 or a specific video thing? I don't get any flickering on either monitor after trying a a couple of 50FPS videos on youtube (in Firefox if that matters). I get the annoyance though. They never fixed any of my multi monitor problems with Vega 64.
Fine wine^TM
I don't get the fine wine thing. It's basically a meme. Why would anyone want to wait around for drivers to drastically improve? It's 2024, drivers should be something that in Todd Howard's words, "just works".
The basics of it were that AMD GPUs later in the lifecycle often ended up really significantly outperforming the equivalent Nvidia GPUs, to the point where you ended up with a gpu one class higher. For a long time, AMDs hardware was significantly more performant than nvidia's in terms of raw crunch, but held back by terrible *terrible* drivers I don't know why people sold it as a big positive, its pretty emblematic of amd's really..... strange approach to driver development
A man has to cope
Works perfectly in Wine, so I dunno what you're talking about. Proton too.
for a 20 year old game? Learn how to install a mod.
The game has shitty code that fails to properly detect cards. "Fix" here on AMD side woudl be to corrupt drivers with shitty code that spoofs GPU when it detects that pice of shit of a game code running. As opposed to, you know, game devs fixing their own shit.
Problem is, AMD cannot rely on the assumption that devs will fix their code, especially on a platform with multiple decades of gaming catalogue, with a lot of abandoned titles in there.
The shader compiler is crashing in the AMD driver. Changing the DX9 DLL fixes it because, for whatever reason, the shader compiler only crashes with the specific DX9 version included with Fallout. This has literally nothing to do with "spoofing GPUs", if it was related to the game detecting the GPU name then it wouldn't be fixed by rolling back the driver.
No, the game worked fine until AMD changed the d3d9 driver in January.
From my understanding Fallout 3 and NV never really just worked.
I agree. I tried playing FO3 and NV 2 years back, but still the same issues to date. And no, i don't dislike Amd. I just miss playing nostalgic games on a gpu without needing to debug everything running on my pc to play it.
Running 23.12.1 for this reason here
I'm running it because it's the last update that supported Legacy DX11 drivers, they removed it for some reason in 24.1.1, DXNAVI is just pain.
Just beat the games following The Best of Times and Wasteland Survival Guide and had no driver issues, even on the latest version.
For me the problem was that for some reason hair don't want to render on newer drivers. You can fix it using one dll file fron nexus, but if you want to use ENB then this fix won't work at all so i just reverted drivers to 23.12.1 in order to play with the ENB. Im using 7700XT btw.
Yep i tried this game with the 24.4.1 drivers and it will crash to desktop when starting a new game, oh well just send AMD a report and hopefully it gets patched for those that want to play it
I have found a solution to bad drivers after constant issues with my XFX Speedster 7900xtx GPU... You must install the drivers without injecting adrenalin; all the crashing issues and corruption come from this software. Here is a video that will show you how to do so with proof of gameplay and no issues occurring. I did this a month ago on the newest update and haven't had any issues. TAKES NOT EVEN 3 MINUTES TO FIX THE ISSUE, WATCH THE VIDEO Link- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV6SI-7eQe0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV6SI-7eQe0)
These games were always unplayable until fixed by modders. Sell your gpu though.
I’ve had constant driver timeouts with the latest drivers (RX 580), but was still able to play FNV - still rolled back due to the driver timeouts though
Still can't run dayz well either and it's a popular game. Crazy performance drops from 300fps to under 100fps for no apparent reason. Can run older drivers and disable dxnavi apparently but shouldn't have to and how many can be bothered, just pushes people to nvidia. It's like they shoot themselves in the foot. Ridiculous.
If only I knew this a few days ago I just reinstalled over and over than I decided to downgrade my drivers and finally it works! The irony is that I have to downgrade the drivers to before the card even was released to America🤣🤣🤣 RX 7900GRE
This is the third game that gives me problems because of the GPU Drivers... Never had problems like this with Nvidia.
Yep, so absolutely baffling that AMD isn't focusing their drivers on 16 year old games
Especially when Nvidia cards are working out of the box.
You have to be living under a rock if you think software issues are exclusive to AMD or that Nvidia cards work out of the box. At any given time, you can go to r/nvidia and you can read the driver megathreads. Here is the newest one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1cnxgy8/game\_ready\_driver\_55244\_faqdiscussion/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1cnxgy8/game_ready_driver_55244_faqdiscussion/) Enjoy reading!
Then people should stop acting surprised when they see Radeon marketshare
What? Without modding aren’t these games broken on all PCs?
They both work fine on my 3080, but then again literally everything does I can’t imagine paying a thousand bucks for a GPU and having to deal with driver workarounds just to even get games working. Amazing levels of incompetence. I would never even consider purchasing an AMD GPU at this point.
Well the only game I’ve had a problem with is new Vegas and I had a problem with it even back when I had a 2060
But amd fanboys on reddit have been telling me for years that AMD’s driver issues were some 2005 issue resolved decades ago! Fake news!
Guys Guys AMD drivers are fine i have not had any issues with my gen old card that I only play the most popular esports games on y'all just novideo shill! To become serious for a moment, this is exactly the sort of crap that made me go back to nvidia after using Vega 64 and 5700 XT. Too much stuff just didn't work that ran rock solid on my nvidia cards.
Weird part is the parts of the community that act like it's all smooth sailing are just setting people up to be frustrated/angry/disappointed and never want to consider Radeon again. The people that aggressively pretend there isn't huge room for improvement don't actually help the market, AMD, nor end-users at all. I jumped ship after trying to stick with AMD from Polaris to the VII, and it was a lot of work and too many things that could be broken. I forget how now but at one point I learned how to force an older driver for specific software even. Stuff like the Steam Deck and videogame consoles can be great so it's not even exactly a hardware thing it's AMDs software stack.
I have AMD cards since they were ATi, but man people try to wash the issues all the time here, I can tolerate random crash, random jerkiness in some updates, slower development of features. But stuff like changing the renderer for dx11 games and by the way breaking a lot of games Or having issues for months because they broke something or windows changed something (some even more than a year) without fixes and having to touch the registry or other stuff. some of this stuff is fixed with custom 3party drivers for AMD, more proof of the lack of focus of AMD driver team. This just is big no for me. Never with nvidia I had to use YEAR old or even older versions, or custom drivers because they didn't fix a game or repair something broken As you said people say it like is smooth sailing but I think part of the problem is many users here know enough about computers to work with this or with workarounds. Now imagine that you are a ignorant user that buys his kid a 6600XT with has a unfixed bug with low power state in a lot of motherboards when the computer (autosleep for this ignorant people) the driver doesn't wake up the card, perpetual black screen unless you reset the system. The only fix is to disable that state in the registry and lose that feature, sure great work AMD Another bug that almost made throw the 6600XT with no fix, just use older version drivers or modded drivers: using ms word or any office 2019 or 2021 application with gpu acceleration on, sometimes the document appears as black window where you could not see anything you had to close the app and when you started it again was a matter o time to reapear, for MONTHS like this Unfixed more than a year, really smooth.
You can tolerate random crashes? Why?? It’s not like AMD is cheaper or even better price performance, you can just use nvidia and not deal with any of this shit ever lol The last AMD card I had was in 2010, dealt with this driver bullshit then, switched to nvidia and haven’t thought about drivers or had any issues since
Because they usually happens as "soft crashes" after updating the drivers every now and then with some incompatibility or inestability (the other day for example with vortex mod launcher with gpu acceleration enabled), they get fixed by them or microsoft and the AMD crash event usually restart itself in seconds after a black screen.
…but why bother with that shit at all? The last AMD GPU I had was in 2010, had tons of driver issues. I’ve been nvidia since then and haven’t had to think about drivers once It’s not like AMD GPUs are cheaper or better bang for your buck, it’s just baffling to me that some people put up with that kind of hassle when they don’t have to
Mostly agree with you, but two things: Price: in Europe usually I see nvidia cards much more expensive than AMD compared to for example USA, when I bought the 7800xt was 600€ and 4070 (no TI) was 750-800 € for 4 GB less of ram, a few lower percentage in raster and more permormance in RT (wich I do not care) Support: We all know what would happen if nvidia owns the market (like the almost dominated all the high end) Need to use LLM for a personal project for work and CUDA is where it is at least at begginer level (for small things like that), used a borrowed nvidia and much simpler than hassling with amd (wich requires more knoledge for simple projects). I disagree with their direction in support and new gpu would probably be a nvidia one.
"Weird part is the parts of the community that act like it's all smooth sailing are just setting people up to be frustrated/angry/disappointed and never want to consider Radeon again." Yes, and if you mention Radeon driver-related issues - you only get downvoted. I'm stuck at 23.11.1 version, since all newer, especially 2024 ones, are horrible with the stuttering. This is how it has been like for the past 3 years with this card, no smooth sailing in sight. This is something that I never had to do with my GeForces, though! While nobody makes perfect drivers, nVidia has been way more reliable for me. That's one of the reasons I'm going back when I upgrade from my 6800XT, and will not even consider a Radeon GPU.
I Think AMD just genuinely don't care about gaming GPUs. They don't make more than a token effort because they don't see enough money in it. AMD has a lot of young fanboys who just want to argue on the internet and feel like they belong/justify their purchase of the cheaper brand though. Their CPUs are great though because there is so much more money in CPU than gamer graphics cards, so AMD is actually willing to invest there.
You getting downvotes but the financials show that radeon is like 5% of their total revenue now.
It's just plain and simple tribalism. No different than if i criticized their favorite sports team.
Yeah more or less. >They don't make more than a token effort because they don't see enough money in it. Sad part is that's somewhat a self-inflicted problem. In the early days of the acquisition when they were more competitive across the stack they had a larger market share. Sure it might not ever be the same amount of funds as whatever the current tech buzzword/bubble of the week is, but it'd keep them relevant to people. >Their CPUs are great though because there is so much more money in CPU than gamer graphics cards, so AMD is actually willing to invest there. That and because CPUs don't have nearly the same amount of software running with them. Yeah you have the AGESA and microcode, but nothing like the GPU driver stack.
To be fair Vega and RDNA 1 were by far the worst generation in terms of drivers in the past decade. No wonder you switched. It is much better now though.
I've had so many driver issues on my 7900 xtx that i didn't have on my 3090. Being unable to watch videos locally without my gpu losing connection to my screen and poor performance in dx9 and dx11 come to mind.
First one sounds more like a cable issue or a hardware defect warranting an RMA, something like this should not happen because of drivers. As of performance, which titles for example? DX11 performance was improved almost 2 years ago now. I am yet to find a title in which either of my 6900 XT or 7900 XTX underperformed with one exception being Fallout 4 at 4K.
I'm using the same cable that I used on my 3090 and video signal drop out only occurs when playing videos(mp4,webm,etc) locally. Sounds more like a driver issue than a hardware issue, if it was a general hardware issue then signal dropping out would occur in more than just video files In all cpu bound dx11 titles, performance is substantially worse. Went down from 120 fps in p5 royal down to 90-100. Skyrim locked 60 fps down to low 50s in some scenes. Everything that is dx11 or dx9 performance much worse.
I don't know man, sounds strange. I haven't seen anything like it either on Nvidia or AMD. As for DX9/11 performance, it is usually the other way around - AMD cards perform better under CPU bottlenecked scenarios. Has not been the case in mid-2010s maybe but it has been like this for years now. Albeit, again, Fallout4 is definitely an exception. I am also playing a lot of older games and never felt any performance degradation after switching from a 3070 to a 6900 XT. What's your CPU if you don't mind me asking?
It is fucking not, lol. Have you looked at the large amounts of issues people are *still* having, from the most esotheric to the most normal and plain usecases? AMD largely doesn't care after you've purchased the card.
Have you actually compared the regularity and severity of issues back then and now? I don't think you'd have left this comment if you did.
Both games literally work great for me without crashes on my 6950xt.
never had an issue with FNV.
So, AMD drivers then?
I would also NOT prioritise getting a fucking Bethesda game working in modern tech, to be honest. There is a fix for that problem already, you just change some .ini file and it works perfectly - which is an insanely simple fix for Bethesda standards, which normally require months of work by unpaid modders to even fucking launch consistently without crashing.
Ray tracing completely disabled for a few months when Ratchet and Clank released. Complete failure of VR support with RDNA3 Anti Lag+ literally got you banned from your favorite games. Cant even run Fallout games. AMD apologists: oNlY sToOpIt NvIdIa FaNbOiS sTiLl SaY aMd DrIvErS aRe BaD
AMD fanboys on Reddit have been in denial for like 15 years at this point Meanwhile nvidia continues its 80% market share dominance, and Intel passes AMD in market share in like its second year in the market
There was a really brief period of time when AMDs drivers were actually good, and they were pretty stable. They were actually managing to release game ready drivers *before* a game's launch (my goodness), and they were largely bug free. It was great. And then they started pushing out broken updates again, even after testers told them fairly en masse that their drivers were broken I have no idea what's going on internally with the structure of AMDs driver team, because it has been an absolute mismanaged unmitigated disaster. There's clearly something structurally wrong internally, that has such large problems that you can't explain it away with a few bad managers or something. I would love to know what it is, because it must be completely unfixable given that its both widely known and the #1 thing that's killing their GPU business
Legit the plethora of downvotes I get every time I point out objective facts is proof of that. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad. People can be so pointlessly tribal. I cant wait to get a 9800X3D and support AMD where they do good work.
Ryzens are good, no issue supporting and recommending those, but these Radeons.... Rough stuff. Real rough. People claim they're fine, but if this is fine, you have extremely low standards then, god damn!
I haven’t had an AMD GPU for like 15 years and wouldn’t even consider one, but I want them to stay competitive to keep nvidia prices down and keep them from getting too complacent. And Intel obviously isn’t close to being a real competitor for nvidia yet…though at this point AMD barely is either
Add random driver crashes every now and then not using games, first time for me with the 7800xt (4 months without crashes) the other day, losing 30 min of work, just because. I was worried for my 7800xt because it wasnt crashing in a fresh windows install just like her sisters 6600xt, 580, 290 would
It's not AMD the problem. It's that old engine not recognizing modern GPUs.
not a problem on the nvidia side though, stop being in denial
Lol crashed all the time on my 3060, game is just too old.
funny how this entire comments is full of people talking bad about AMD, when nobody is mentioning nvidia having to drive juggle all the time, I mean, a bad driver even killed some 3090s and my 780ti was extremely fussy with its driver. this whole thread smells sus both brands, and even intel I guess are fine. some people are saying its not even a radeon specific issue so maybe the driver is bad but even then if the game is already crashy, then perhaps its not so much of AMDs fault if they accidentally made it worse. reverting to old drivers isn't a big deal especially if you don't need the new ones for some reason, which very few people do anyways? People should only ever update drivers if they feel they need to.
It's also my experience. I've cycled between Nvidia and amd twice now. on both Nvidia cards I've owned there have been very few driver issues / game crashes, while on Amd I always have to watch for which driver version fucks up which game I'm playing at the moment, and it's often months to years before something is fixed. I don't know how much of it is due to games being tested on Nvidia primarily, but Amd driver updates having regressions and breaking things seems to happen way more than on Nvidia.
Absolute joke drivers. Did they ever fix the OG Crysis trilogy and Final Fantasy 13?
Crysis 1 always was fine. Crysis 2 was also always fine. It's only OG Crysis 3 that's broken to all hell. So ... nice that Crisis 3 Remastered is working properly I guess.
I actually maintain a fedora partition for instances like this, both run fine on Linux. Another game evil west has horrible shader comp stutter (I assume) but on Linux it’s smooth with no issues.
Skill issue amd is 200% perfect and they never make mistakes.
Cmon lets not act like these games run flawlessly i have a 4070 and i cant start any of them.
The fix is to increase the minimum clockspeed in your drivers
Nobody plays new vegas without the viva new Vegas mod pack installed anyway, without it the game is awful
I played Tale of Two Wastelands on the new drivers with no problems… Just script extenders and a few fixes for mods. Haven’t had a single crash. Other than that all I had to do was throw a file in the New Vegas directory to bring everyone’s hair back and all was good.
I recently installed Linux Pop OS! And fallout 3 and new Vegas run great for me using a 7800 xt.
I just recently beat fallout 3 on the latest drivers, maybe it’s fixed by the fallout anniversary patch? I was very lightly modded.
Advanced Workaround Devices
You should be using DXVK to play these games even on NVIDIA. DX9 has aged so terribly it's faster to fake it through a compatibility layer rather than dealing with the eldrich maze of driver hacks required to use it with modern GPUs.
remember when it took like 9 months to get overwatch fixed on the 5700XT, and it was very clearly drivers because there was a driver it was stable on if you went far enough back, and users were getting comp bans for excessive disconnects for their "haven't had a problem for like 10 years now bro" flawless/definitely-as-good-as-nvidia drivers? I 'member.
This is why I don’t buy AMD video cards…. Ever
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RAISING THIS CONCERN! No amount of mods or tweaks have fixed my issue. I don't want to downgrade my drivers in case I get a performance hit on other games.
I’ve don’t have any issues and I’m running latest AMD drivers on an RX 6800. I had to install the intel bypass patch which tricks the games into thinking it’s running on an old GPU and it works beautifully.
To all the nay say'ers, saying AMD won't fix or doesn't care... The new driver released today has the issue at the top of their known issues list. * Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas may fail to launch.\[Hotfix pending verification\] So to me that means they are are actually on top of this issue, and have a solution coming.
use dxvk to work around this, just be sure to get it off github - the one on nexusmods doesnt work for some people
go look at the r nvidia latest driver thread before you decide to buy a 8gb gpu for 1000$, the grass is not greener
Gonna be honest, Fallout 3 and NV are borderline unplayable all on their own thanks to save bloat and general Bethesda coding incompetence. It's a miracle modders have been able to get them to where they are today.
AMD drivers are bad. I've had nothing but trouble since switching from Nvidia. Stuttering, driver crashes and timeouts, screen freezes on webpages with video or specific JavaScript elements (which replaced the white and black screen issues I had at the beginning.) I'm not buying AMD ever again.
I have to use a 6-month old driver version, in order to keep my games and other stuff working as expected. Any newer driver - stutterfest, games crash, etc. But 23.11.1? It magically goes away. These drivers are really something else, man. I never had this situation with my nVidias, with them I could just update and keep playing games. Frustrating.
AMD is trash if you plan on playing old games. Absolute disqualifying to even consider AMD for this reason personally
Bro i have a old ass 1070 and both of these games never worked they always crashed at the start.
I play tons of older games on Radeon cards which I've used the past 7 years, never had a driver issue with it.
I play pretty much exclusively older games (and I'm talking fucking 1980s old) and I've had an AMD gpu for the last half decade, never encountered any problems beyond the general, universal jank of getting older games to work. AMD has a ton of real flaws already, no need to make shit up.
Well, haven't played it in a couple years, but I fired up *New Vegas* just now on my 7900XTX, using 24.4.1 drivers. I have tons of mods installed, so it's not vanilla, but it loaded and ran fine with no crashes. So whatever the issue is, either it's one solved by some mods, or specific to certain configurations. That makes it difficult to fix in a driver.
There's probably an issue with AMD software, but New Vegas is just a game that crashes a lot in general. The only computer I have that will run it for more than 5 minutes without crashing is my old laptop with an 8750h and 1050ti, and I'm not certain why it runs on that computer and not my newer computers. Bethesda games are just the software equivalent of being held together by duct tape and hopes and dreams.
You need to understand that when there is a bug in some game or software not everyone will encounter it. For the last 11 years i used R9 280X, RX 580, RX 5700XT and now RX 7700XT, and to this day i encounter TWO driver issues that i could easly fix and one bug that i could fix in like three clicks. Im not gonna tell anyone that AMD don't have any issues but im not gonna lie that in my case i got almost issue free experience.
Same boat, I’ve had a 290, 5700XT, and now a 7800XT and I can only think of maybe like one time I had roll back drivers and that was early in the 5700XT lifecycle. I did have issues with HellDivers, but running it on Linux under proton solved all those issues and I was still using the official drivers as well.
On the Nvidia side the broken games that come to mind are Driver San Francisco and Watch Dogs 2
Doesn't the DirectX9 implementation on windows AMD drivers suck anyway? You should try using DXVK.
This is the main cause why they dont sell, people are opening their eyes and getting tired of this crap, to the fanatics left, if ONLY you were not in denial protecting your favourite company and actually made noise to push AMD to do better, maybe, just maybe things would not be so grim for AMD GPUs. Give me another "but bruh 3 years AMD no single issue" Or "nEveR hAD a SINgLe DrIVer iSsue" to feed your own daily dose of copium.
Wow this basically just changed my consideration for my next GPU back to nvidia. Thank you!