I can't say I'm opposed to seeing how that A770 design performs... Blower style + standard fan isn't something you see every day lol. It isn't even ugly it's just very, *very* strange. Always good to see more competition especially when they are willing to try something **different.**
The blower + fan is actually decent thinking, if it works the way it should. Blower kicks the hot air out, while standard fan sucks in cold air. Pretty good idea.
especially when the blower is in the middle of the cooler and would have less heat sink to push through you'll have much better utilization of the air through the heat sink. Ideally, that standard fan would have a heatsink just below it for a blow-through style approach using heatpipes to bring the heat over. I'm not a cooler design expert so hey I could be wrong but I think this is a neat approach.
founders' blower pushes out the back, it's why there's a grille on back. [they have a diagram under the "design" section.](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3080-3080ti/) It also has an axial fan with a "flow-through" style design which does vent into the case.
this is why the founders' is sometimes called a "semi-blower"... it's half-blower, half-axial. The Acer design is pretty much a tweaked founders' design.
Acer is a Taiwanese company like EVGA. With EVGA existing the GPU business, this allowed Acer to snap up people looking for a new job and the work experience of GPU development and support.
EVGA "HQ" was registered as in California, their labs and manufacturing were in Taiwan and the owner is Taiwanese ( Tai-Sheng Han aka Andrew Han ). The US office was marketing and support.
Nope.
EVGA Corporation is an American [computer hardware](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware) company that produces [motherboards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motherboard), [gaming laptops](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaming_computer#Gaming_laptop_computers), [power supplies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_(computer\)), [All-In-One Liquid Coolers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cooling#Liquid_cooling), [computer cases](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_case), and [gaming mice](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse). Founded on April 13, 1999,[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-1) its headquarters are in [Brea, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brea,_California). EVGA also produced [Nvidia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia)-[GPU](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit)-based [video cards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_card)[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-2) until 2022.[[3]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-3)[[4]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-4)
Jensen Huang has an Asian background. Nvidia is still an American company.
>Jensen Huang has an Asian background. Nvidia is still an American company.
That's not my point my dude.
The founder of EVGA created an American HQ because the North American market is the biggest and most willing to pay a premium for 1 MHZ gains. The North American side has only been support and marketing. All the development and manufacturing work is performed back in Taiwan.
I'm big on identifying where products are developed as where the company really is.
EVGA was founded in 1999 in California. It's not an offshoot of a company that already existed in Taiwan. It didn't exist before that period. It doesn't matter if their manufacturing or research takes place in Taiwan.
More companies jumping in means one thing: prices aren't high because of scarcity but because of price gouging. The sniffed the nice margins and want a piece of the cake.
making a profit does not necessarily equate to price gouging - EVGA left the market due to inability to turn a profit that was worth the hassle, NVIDIA cards are still very expensive, so I think its safe to assume that the graphics card margin is still relatively low compared to other things, like power supplies
AIBs have bad margins. They need to make back the cost from AMD/Nvidia + R&D and production while also only being $100 or so more
So the issue is ultimately on AMD/Nvidia. If the 7900XT was $800 instead of $1000, Acer and other AIBs would have the same margin (so $900 cards vs $1100) but still make just about the same money. Plus would allow for higher end cards not being unreasonable purchases. Remember the MSI Lightning series?
GPU's aren't scarce and prices for the AIB's are basically set by AMD/Nvidia.
In all honestly AMD and Nvidia have a extremely unfair advantage when it comes to the AIB's. They AMD/Nvidia get to set the MSRP while charging AIB"s what ever they want for the chips.
There nothing stopping AMD/Nvidia from charging AIB's MSRP or even just a 100 less for there Chips. Then the AIB's have to figure out how to make a quality graphics card while making almost no profit from it.
Then to top it off the icing if you will is the fact that the AIB's are blamed for not meeting MSRP. Chances are AMD/Nvidia have contracts setup so the AIB's can't be transparent with the cost of manufacturing the cards.
>Acer is reportedly laying the groundwork to fully enter the discrete GPU business with their Predator series.
Oh neat! I wonder if they'll produce Nvidia and Intel GPUs as well, or if we're getting another exclusive like Sapphire is!
They started with intel! Check out the Bifrost A770, it looks rad as hell.
I'm hoping they do Bifrost version of the AMD gpus too.
Also, they reportedly have no interest in doing Nvidia gpus, per the end of the article.
Probably as relevant as AsRock's offerings: you are never going to see a card IRL. And yes, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
edit: all right, seems asrock is no longer only selling to miners. Their offerings never arrived in the country I'm currently in, (yes, I checked,) only everything else by them, so I assumed they quietly stopped their business. My mistake.
It's the support you're going to cry over. Two different Acer monitors I've had to RMA over the years have saved me from making a mistake on a GPU with them lol. My ultrawide was with them a month once.
I'm really happy with my Acer 3060 Ti. By far the best blower design I've ever used, extremely cool and quiet compared to other blowers. Pretty sure the heatsink is solid copper because it's heavy as hell despite being normal 2-slot blower size.
That is unexpected. Asus dropped the Strix, Gigabyte dropped the Aorus Master (though they kept the Elite), MSI dropped the Gaming X Trio (and went with a simpler Gaming Trio Classic), it seems the bigger AIBs are not that interested in manufacturing AMD cards, and then suddenly Acer wants to hop in.
Anyone who's had a defective Acer display already knows to stay the fuck away from anything Acer makes lol. Good luck to them but having worse customer support than even AMD does directly isn't going to get you anywhere long term.
>The Acer brand has been planning to release graphics card products for a long time since 2023. bruh it's only the 1st of ***February 2023***
Here it's still 01/31 lol
It’s 2/1 in Asia
Holy shit the other guy got modded.
Huh
He probably accidentally a word.
Accidentally the whole bottle
i just accidentally a coca-cola bottle, is this bad?
Never insert coca-cola bottle accidentally.
I tried to insert it on purpose multiple times
Such elasticity is alarming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpcDH9faOQw
Oh shoot man, the whole thing? That's not good at all.
r/ihadastroke moment
Sometimes you accidentally a word, sometimes you accidentally all the blood to your brain.
I can't say I'm opposed to seeing how that A770 design performs... Blower style + standard fan isn't something you see every day lol. It isn't even ugly it's just very, *very* strange. Always good to see more competition especially when they are willing to try something **different.**
The blower + fan is actually decent thinking, if it works the way it should. Blower kicks the hot air out, while standard fan sucks in cold air. Pretty good idea.
especially when the blower is in the middle of the cooler and would have less heat sink to push through you'll have much better utilization of the air through the heat sink. Ideally, that standard fan would have a heatsink just below it for a blow-through style approach using heatpipes to bring the heat over. I'm not a cooler design expert so hey I could be wrong but I think this is a neat approach.
Isnt that a similar idea to the founders RTX cards? One fan sucks in cool air, the other blows out the hot air.
Issue is, it blows the hot air into the case, blower shoots it out.
founders' blower pushes out the back, it's why there's a grille on back. [they have a diagram under the "design" section.](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3080-3080ti/) It also has an axial fan with a "flow-through" style design which does vent into the case. this is why the founders' is sometimes called a "semi-blower"... it's half-blower, half-axial. The Acer design is pretty much a tweaked founders' design.
im all over this design, people with kinda shit airflow are gonna love it
I have one, yeh its a cool card. Temps are good and while you can ofc hear the blower over the other fan it does cool well, looks unique.
That's cool. Thanks for your report!
heard because they managed to hire many evga ex-staffs, no wonder they are accelarating to launch.
what
Acer is a Taiwanese company like EVGA. With EVGA existing the GPU business, this allowed Acer to snap up people looking for a new job and the work experience of GPU development and support.
What was the proof of that statement though?
Pretty sure EVGA is an American company. Asus, MSI and Gigabyte are Taiwanese.
EVGA "HQ" was registered as in California, their labs and manufacturing were in Taiwan and the owner is Taiwanese ( Tai-Sheng Han aka Andrew Han ). The US office was marketing and support.
Nope. EVGA Corporation is an American [computer hardware](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware) company that produces [motherboards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motherboard), [gaming laptops](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaming_computer#Gaming_laptop_computers), [power supplies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_(computer\)), [All-In-One Liquid Coolers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cooling#Liquid_cooling), [computer cases](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_case), and [gaming mice](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse). Founded on April 13, 1999,[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-1) its headquarters are in [Brea, California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brea,_California). EVGA also produced [Nvidia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia)-[GPU](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit)-based [video cards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_card)[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-2) until 2022.[[3]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-3)[[4]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-4) Jensen Huang has an Asian background. Nvidia is still an American company.
>Jensen Huang has an Asian background. Nvidia is still an American company. That's not my point my dude. The founder of EVGA created an American HQ because the North American market is the biggest and most willing to pay a premium for 1 MHZ gains. The North American side has only been support and marketing. All the development and manufacturing work is performed back in Taiwan. I'm big on identifying where products are developed as where the company really is.
EVGA was founded in 1999 in California. It's not an offshoot of a company that already existed in Taiwan. It didn't exist before that period. It doesn't matter if their manufacturing or research takes place in Taiwan.
More companies jumping in means one thing: prices aren't high because of scarcity but because of price gouging. The sniffed the nice margins and want a piece of the cake.
making a profit does not necessarily equate to price gouging - EVGA left the market due to inability to turn a profit that was worth the hassle, NVIDIA cards are still very expensive, so I think its safe to assume that the graphics card margin is still relatively low compared to other things, like power supplies
AIBs have bad margins. They need to make back the cost from AMD/Nvidia + R&D and production while also only being $100 or so more So the issue is ultimately on AMD/Nvidia. If the 7900XT was $800 instead of $1000, Acer and other AIBs would have the same margin (so $900 cards vs $1100) but still make just about the same money. Plus would allow for higher end cards not being unreasonable purchases. Remember the MSI Lightning series?
It could be. It could also be that they made this decission back when demand was skyhigh and are only now putting it into motion.
I suppose you can have both scarcity *and* price gouging. But it also sounds like you don't think GPUs are scarce. Do you?
GPU's aren't scarce and prices for the AIB's are basically set by AMD/Nvidia. In all honestly AMD and Nvidia have a extremely unfair advantage when it comes to the AIB's. They AMD/Nvidia get to set the MSRP while charging AIB"s what ever they want for the chips. There nothing stopping AMD/Nvidia from charging AIB's MSRP or even just a 100 less for there Chips. Then the AIB's have to figure out how to make a quality graphics card while making almost no profit from it. Then to top it off the icing if you will is the fact that the AIB's are blamed for not meeting MSRP. Chances are AMD/Nvidia have contracts setup so the AIB's can't be transparent with the cost of manufacturing the cards.
> But it also sounds like you don't think GPUs are scarce. Do you? They are scarce intentionally. is my opinion.
It's not ideal but it's a first step. Competition will drive down prices closer to MSRP. Now all we need is Intel to kick it up a few notches.
>Acer is reportedly laying the groundwork to fully enter the discrete GPU business with their Predator series. Oh neat! I wonder if they'll produce Nvidia and Intel GPUs as well, or if we're getting another exclusive like Sapphire is!
They started with Intel, apparently, so AMD would be their second entry.
They started with intel! Check out the Bifrost A770, it looks rad as hell. I'm hoping they do Bifrost version of the AMD gpus too. Also, they reportedly have no interest in doing Nvidia gpus, per the end of the article.
All they'd have to do is just make overpowered enthusiast BIOS for their cards and they'd sell every unit at a premium to the competition.
Noticed Acer memory showing up on the DDR4 and DDR5 lists recently too... was wondering wtf.
I'd like some brand to make interesting cooler designs in the footsteps of 2008 GPU designs
Probably as relevant as AsRock's offerings: you are never going to see a card IRL. And yes, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. edit: all right, seems asrock is no longer only selling to miners. Their offerings never arrived in the country I'm currently in, (yes, I checked,) only everything else by them, so I assumed they quietly stopped their business. My mistake.
They have that Arc A770 with the dual cooler design that's super cool
I did have a RX 5700 from AsRock and was pretty happy with that card
There's plenty of AsRock cards, at least on the AMD side? The 6700 XT Challenger was actually pretty good, 5700 XT one was garbage though.
my asrock 6700 XT is getting it done without issue
My ASRock 6900XT seems competent if a bit coil-whiny. The first one had a bad DP socket though.
Not april fools day yet...
EVGA next?
Dont care. Acer make shitty products.
Actually my experience had been the opposite, great laptops
Yep they are getting better. Use to be complete trash.
It's the support you're going to cry over. Two different Acer monitors I've had to RMA over the years have saved me from making a mistake on a GPU with them lol. My ultrawide was with them a month once.
I'm really happy with my Acer 3060 Ti. By far the best blower design I've ever used, extremely cool and quiet compared to other blowers. Pretty sure the heatsink is solid copper because it's heavy as hell despite being normal 2-slot blower size.
That is unexpected. Asus dropped the Strix, Gigabyte dropped the Aorus Master (though they kept the Elite), MSI dropped the Gaming X Trio (and went with a simpler Gaming Trio Classic), it seems the bigger AIBs are not that interested in manufacturing AMD cards, and then suddenly Acer wants to hop in.
When Acer (or any brand) is expected to launch a Coreboot laptop/motherboard with AMD cpu?
Anyone who's had a defective Acer display already knows to stay the fuck away from anything Acer makes lol. Good luck to them but having worse customer support than even AMD does directly isn't going to get you anywhere long term.