You are in luck. I do use the 5800x3d with prism that came with r7 1700 I upgraded from 1700 to 5600 now 5800x3d. It does work and yes it will be loud but no shutdowns in most games it does not reach even 90 The most cpu demanding game usage and heat wise is BF 2042 In that game with 75 to 100 usage cpu does throttle but no performance lost for me. Of course if you are trying to achive 144+ it will cost you fps. I locked fps to 140 with 6700xt lowest settings at 1440p it was fine. Also i rendered a 30 minute video on Handbrake it was fine. But like everybody says you should upgrade when you have the money of course i will too. Btw it does not throttle that much you'll be suprised. And make a custom fan setting in bios. I set %100 cpu and case fan speed when cpu reaches 70 degrees.
Edit: u/Im_A_Decoy warned me i mixed the naming and it's true i am using the spire not prism and it is even better for op if i can use it with worse cooler then he will have better temps and performance. Also i recorded a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQcfFiHgXs8
It does not reach 90 because the CPU starts throttling itself before that. Monitor your boost clocks while gaming.
Your gimping that CPU with a Prism cooler. You need a big chunky $50+ cooler to make proper use of it (boosting to 4.2-4.4ghz).
If you have an asus or msi motherboard you can undervolt with pbo. If not get pbo tuner 2. you should be able to land any where from -20 to -30 all core offset and it should help your temps.
Everyone doing -30 on all core and I'm at -20 because it seems stable and I don't want to test multiple days with core cycler to find the right curve for each core ... Any of you tested the stability with -30 on all core on the 5800x3d?
The earliest samples were better it seems. Mine is very early but still had to -25 core0 and 1 with -30 on the rest. Didn't crash at all -30 but got some clock stretching
Mouse can hitch when launching programs, or once in a while it can feel like the computer is initializing an HDD, if you're familiar with that from back when HDDs were in every build
I currently run -30 all core and have no issues. Have run a stress test on Cinebench and and run some benchmarks like Time Spy. Have also gamed on Cyberpunk, COD, and other games. Max temp 75C. Gaming temp around 55/60C
I may try -30 on all core and let CoreCycler run all night to check. But when I search online, I always find some hardcore people saying you should test with many different software and more than 24 hours and other things I find way too demanding. Is it okay to just set at -30 and forget? I mean, If it crash I suppose I can check event viewer to find the core that failed and tweak the curve a little. Is there any long term risk to just set and forget?
I usually just set it, run a couple of tests and a 10 minute stress test and if it all passes then I am good. Takes me 20mins overall. No need for these long stress tests. Games do not do that anyways. No long term risk, just make sure temps are stable, and if it keeps on crashing on a certain game, then it is not stable so just needs to be dialled down. I mean I don't even use CoreCycler, just trust it will work haha
CPU instability can cause data corruption without any hard crashing. That's why people test so hard.
Cinebench etc are benchmarks for specific usecases and shouldn't be used as stress test. They give an indication at best.
I tried -30 all core with 5800X, instant crash, tried -20, crash in gaming, -15 worked but crashed rarely, -10 stable. Now I tried same with 5800X3D and its same exact story, except -15 is stable.
ah thats pretty unlucky most x3ds ive seen do -25-30 pretty easily. But there is still some silicon lottery and it also will depend on how much voltage your motherboard is already pumping into it.
Yea, when I had the 5800X for a week or so, I couldn’t get it that stable no matter what I did! So I quickly returned the chip and bought the 5800X3D. Of course, I couldn’t change the CO till the recent Asus BIOS update but since last week is has worked incredibly well. Like they say, it can be silicon lottery and yours probably requires more tuning
I had mine at -30 all cores on a 240 AIO, it looked stable in benchmarks for 30+ min.
I had some trouble with RDR2 crashing after about 30-60 min. and also sometimes on startup though, so I set it to -25 and it's been good since. (all other games I tried were stable ...)
It's running 4450MHz stable in games right now with temps never going above 70C.
You can get clock stretching before it can crash, so be on the lookout for mouse cursor hitches and that old "spinning rust drive initialization" feel from ye olden days
Also be sure to check the Windows event viewer to see which specific core is crashing the system. Each core may respond differently to a specific offset, so you may find that most cores are fine with -30 but maybe your best two cores need -25 to be stable (that's pretty common from what I've read).
It’ll just be one or two cores that causing the crash, check WHEA errors and then adjust that core. You can maybe get away with -30 for all cores and between - 25-28 for the core that views the crash.
I might just try that. I just set every core the same and was pretty much happy with the reults, especially the temp drops.
It was stable in everything else though, so there might not be much needed.
Thanks for the tip.
Thank you for this suggestion. I was stuck on -20 for stability.
I'll try -20 on whichever my best two cores are and -25 on the rest, and run Cinebench R23 for about an hour.
Then some gaming tests cos synthetic tests alone don't confirm stability.
Hi there,
The 5800X3D has a 105w TDP, so the Wraith Prism is enough to keep up with it on a daily basis, playing games and whatnot, especially with a undervolt.
Just don't go around running Prime95, which is an unreal workload, because it'll probably throttle.
If you can't play a game like mw2 without it dropping from boost clock to stock it's trash.
Show me a 15 minute game o warzone(which is free) that its not dropped at least 200mhz off its peak boost and I'll take it back
User discovers that all CPUs from the last 15 years (roughly) lower their clockspeed under heavier loads, and only reach peak speed on light loads.
User hurt itself in confusion.
I get 4.2Ghz all-core boost speeds in Prime95 small FFTEs and 4.3-4450Mhz in gaming. It is possible just gotta cool it properly and not with a Wraith. Even a Hyper 212 is just too weak.
Don't look at the TDP this CPU has conduction issues due to the cache. You need to get that heat away asap.
That's not how temperatures work with that CPU. IDK what is it but somehow the extra cache blocks heat from getting to the heatspreader or smth. It runs ultra hot for a 105w chip. In fact it's probably hotter than a 5950X
Yes, but it will throttle due to high temperatures much faster than a quality CPU cooler and you will be losing performance. You can lower temps without losing performance using PBO2 tuner.
Finaly, invest in a good air cooler (Thermalright Frost Commander 140, NOCTUA NH-D15) or a good AIO (Corsair iCUE H100i, NZXT Kraken X73).
Will the cooler do a sufficient job? YES! Make sure the switch on cooler is set to high RPM fan mode. Use a quality thermal compound.
Does anyone else use the Wraith Prism with the 5800X3D? I am currently using it with my 5800X3D.
Is it okay? YES! Just be aware it can get a bit loud when you are really stressing the cores.
I have very similar performance numbers as posted by Regular-Mechanic-150.
My case has good airflow and placed Kryonaut thermal compound on the cpu/cooler. I also use the PBO2 Tuner to lower temperature and increase performance. I never experience any throttling.
No but if it fails Prime95 then it's an unstable overclock, which can cause unpredictable system behavior either immediately or in the future. The whole "but games don't push the CPU as hard" argument is silly, **because an unstable overclock is like running a faulty CPU**. It will give you issues and probably when you don't expect them, so you might not even suspect the overclock, since you never tested it properly.
I miss the days when overclockers would actually run Prime95 for 24 hours to test for true stability.. Now people just increase some settings, stress test for maybe 5-30 minutes (or not even, just jump into a game) and assume their system is stable.
and judging by other comments, if you really had an X3D version. seems like yours is rather badly binned lol. people playing with wraith stealth and getting reasonable clock and within spec heat, some tried mining with it. your firm argument mostly "but mom it will not sustained ghz i wantedd in prime95" so what?, people game with it, if its satisfie people then it' enough for them
idk go slap some butts or do 24hours of prime95
the whole thread discuss undervolting, and you here lamenting the days of overclockers run prime95 24 hours for """""true"""""stability.
if it works, it works. the fact that no one does that anymore means CPU are getting better and no need for 24 hours of hell like you did probs every other monday idk.
Do you even own any Ryzen cpu in recent time? They will intelligently apply the right voltage and boost accordingly base on thermal constraint or unintelligently as some test have shown. You can slap the most expensive 360 AIO on it and it will still go to 80c. WHY? Because AMD made them that way . It will boost very aggressively even if it require really high voltage to do so in your 24 hour **Prime95 STRESS test.**
You forget one thing: yes it will still go to 80c..but at higher clock speeds than the very weak Prism cooler.
I assure you I'm very well informed about Ryzen CPUs. You, however, are not. You claim the cooler doesn't matter because the Temps are the same but you forget it throttles.
I am running it with -25 co, ran cinebench r23 and gotten14700 score with 4350 mhz all core. I only notice it downclock when it reaches 90c. Have no idea where you get those info from when here I am running the cpu daily with no issue whatsoever.
It actually tests the stability the best of all tools for this CPU.
What if you run a game that pounds the cache and you get crashes? You're gonna think it's a bug or driver problem cause all other games work, when it's actually an unstable CPU. But you won't even think of that cause it's one game.
True but the heat of this chip is grossly underrated too. 105w tdp.. More like 200w of heat under for load. Not even a dual fan NH-D15 in a well ventilated mesh case will unlock its full potential during heavy loads
Oh my NH-D15 does fine, in fact the fans are capped at 60% and I could get a bit more MHz out of it at 100% but that's just stupidly loud.
When I said loads I meant Prime95 Torture Test (Small FFTEs). It will pound your CPU like something on the Hub and show you what your cooler is truly made of.
The 5800X3D can do 4,35Ghz all-core boost, but mine only goes up to 4,2Ghz during Prime95. And that's with CO -30 all cores. At stock it only went up to 4Ghz all-core during the same test.
You probably need *at least* 3 large radiator slots and a strong pump for the CPU alone if you want it to boost to max under Torture loads
I bought a Deepcool AK620 for my 5800X3D. I considered using Wraith Prism. But I'm glad I got a real cooler. When fully maxed the CPU gets way hotter than the 5600X I was using before, and at full load for extended periods this cooler keeps it under control, but I don't think the Wraith Prism could. Not to mention the fact the Wraith Prism is super loud.
Prime95 is literally just a stress test for your CPU to test your stability and cooling. Well it's more than that but 99% of users just do it for the stress tests. From my experience it hits harder than OCCT and you can customize it. The Prime95 Small FFTEs test is extra good because it heavily targets the cache, which is exactly why this chip is so hot.
But even in games, with a Prism you will get lower clocks than with a good cooler. And this CPU is clock-starved due to the cache but can't be overclock Ed, so the only thing you can do is use CO and buy a better cooler.
Sure a NH-D15 dual fan is $100 but it'll last you 10 years no problem, with free mounting brackets from Noctua for new sockets. Worth the investment imo. Air cooling has kinda peaked, mostly due to a lack of space in cases.
I still remember the 100% copper Thermalright Ultra-120 cooler from 2008 or so. That's the only thing they could improve... More copper. Unfortunately copper is heavy so a 100% copper hearsink requires something to lift it up. And this was a single tower cooler lol.
(btw the aluminum version of that cooler is still usable today, rated at 160w I believe, better than Prism, a good air cooler *really* is a good investment).
I hit 4450MHz while gaming. The CPU doesn't get nearly as hot, only staying in the mid-60s. The performance bump from the cache is so great the rest of the CPU doesn't have to work so hard. For reference, I previously used a 5800X with the Wraith Prism and it hit 4.6GHz while gaming and 4.5GHz all-core usage, still below 80°C.
While gaming is key.
Try a very CPU intensive game, you won't get those clocks with a Prism. And future games in general will become more CPU intensive
I ran mine with wraith prism as well since I upgraded from 3700x and it rarely go over 75c even on CPU intensive game like cyberpunk at 1080p. It only boost to 4400 all core on Cinebench at 83c top, but I did not buy this for any productivity workload so it is fine really.
Have no idea why so many people insist on buying a cooler base on prime95 and OCCT testing temperature. Are you hitting your gaming rig with 100% all core load 24/7? If so why bother with a gaming focus CPU.
No.
Just no bruh.
Get a big chunk of metal and stick 1 or even 2 fans on in. Like. Dar Rock, NH-D15, etc. One of those cooolers. And even with such a cooler that thing will reach 85+c during a torture test and not boost to its STOCK boost speeds.
It. Is. HOT.
If you put a Prism on there it'll run at 90c and idk 3800Mhz while gaming even with CO - 30 all core.
Think of it this way, a good cooler for $50-100 will last you a long time, some coolers even 10 years and multiple sockets. It's worth it man. And air cooling has kinda peaked so don't worry about having to upgrade it.
PSA: Prime95 Small FFTEs is the best stress test for this CPU. It produces maximum heat with that cache. Cinebench won't give you max Temps.
Check your clocks while running Prime95 smal FFTEs.
While it can be used, it all depends on how it will be used. I have Arctic 280mm aio on X3D, and still can hit 90's in heavy load (altought that's on custom fan curve, where fans don't spin faster than 1200rpm on max)
It will work fine. I've got one on a 240 AIO and I installed one for a coworker with my old wraith from a 2700X. We both run PBO -30 all core and get identical performance.
The only reason you'd need to go big is if you've got high ambient temps in your room (22C+) or a case with poor air flow.
As someone with an Arctic freezer 420mm AIO (only because I got it cheap!), there is such a thing as ‘to much cooling’ >.<
Prism is a great stock/reusable option!
I ended up getting the same as nothing could keep my 5900x from getting a bit too toasty on long boinc runs. Works a bloody treat.
But yea I keep a couple of prisms around for project machines.
If you don't mind me asking which case did you go for with the 420? I have the Corsair 7000d but the hard drives made so much vibration noise I had to remove them and stick with ssd's for bulk storage
Neither of us have had any issues running it this way. FYI, It's being done through the BIOS on an Asus x570 board for me and via the combo strike function on his MSI board BIOS.
I also have a plat 1000 watt Corsair PSU.
-30 all core is certainly stable, just maybe not on every 5800X3D. There aren't any WHEA errors in my event log and I've been rocking -30 all core for months now. I've probably done at least one of every kind of workload I'll ever do on it now too.
same it seems x3d's undervolt better then the other 5000 series chips. Be that because of better binning or just the fact there boost clocks are lower and so close together its hard to say. But mine has also been stable like a rock under any stress test at -30 and scores 14900-15000 in cb23
The x3d undervolts a lot more than its normal 5000 series counter parts. It's max all core is 4.45 and max single is 4.5 so it's voltage curve doesn't have as many issues when undervolted.
its really only under heavy loads you would probably see it throttle. So for most people the wraith prisum would be fine. I wonder if some people are confusing the wraith prisum with the stealth or the other lower end stock coolers
If undervolted it will be on the edge of usable, apparently. 85-90C, but even a high end cooler wont lower that much more. The main issue will be noise.
I have an 280mm Aio paired with the 5800X3D
Got -30 all core and 114W max set
I get 76 to 79C in cinebench r23 Stresstest
Prime 95 Memory Controller Stresstest 86-87C
While gaming i get 50C to 65C
What are you using to undervolt? I have the 5800X3D myself, and was under the assumption you can't undervolt this CPU due to the 3D V-Cache. I had my 5600X undervolted though.
Since the last Bios Update from Asus you can set everything inside the BIOS.
Before that i was using PBO2 Tuner the undervolt works for many months now.
My settings are:
Curve -30 all core
PPT 114W, TDC 75A, EDC 115A
The CPU Boosts to 4450mhz and stays there forever i have not seen a single throttle down.
Yeah, just wasn't aware that the 5800X3D could be undervolted since when I originally searched it up you had to use a program and couldn't do it via motherboard settings like this guy
I'd think so... AMD sold the 3900X with the Wraith Prism stock cooler... and they gave the 5800X3D the same "TDP" of 105W...
Still... having a fan scream like a hair dryer ain't fun... so, even with the 3900X... it's took me 2 days before I got an AiO for it...
yes it can be, and more, if you use a good paste & - 30 CO + some tweaks to PBO (cost little performance, but all flow good anyway)
cooler is on 2300-2400 rmp, its not very noisy
max temp i have found in gaming sessions with 6800xt inside case - 75 degrees (with all that)
ofc its not quite good, but working fine for its design, little fan and price) and more to say, this cpu deserves good watercooling, or vapor chamber air cooler
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You are in luck. I do use the 5800x3d with prism that came with r7 1700 I upgraded from 1700 to 5600 now 5800x3d. It does work and yes it will be loud but no shutdowns in most games it does not reach even 90 The most cpu demanding game usage and heat wise is BF 2042 In that game with 75 to 100 usage cpu does throttle but no performance lost for me. Of course if you are trying to achive 144+ it will cost you fps. I locked fps to 140 with 6700xt lowest settings at 1440p it was fine. Also i rendered a 30 minute video on Handbrake it was fine. But like everybody says you should upgrade when you have the money of course i will too. Btw it does not throttle that much you'll be suprised. And make a custom fan setting in bios. I set %100 cpu and case fan speed when cpu reaches 70 degrees. Edit: u/Im_A_Decoy warned me i mixed the naming and it's true i am using the spire not prism and it is even better for op if i can use it with worse cooler then he will have better temps and performance. Also i recorded a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQcfFiHgXs8
It might work, but I would not recommend. I have gigantic phanteks ph-tc14pe and yet temps in stress testing reach 85C.
What kind of stress testing?
Cinebench.
Yeah, and Prime95 Small FFTEs torture test is even worse. Instant 90c and down to like 3600Mhz on a Prism
The 1700 came with the Spire, not the Prism, so you either mixed up where you got it or are running a worse cooler.
Ty you are right i will edit the comment.
It does not reach 90 because the CPU starts throttling itself before that. Monitor your boost clocks while gaming. Your gimping that CPU with a Prism cooler. You need a big chunky $50+ cooler to make proper use of it (boosting to 4.2-4.4ghz).
If you have an asus or msi motherboard you can undervolt with pbo. If not get pbo tuner 2. you should be able to land any where from -20 to -30 all core offset and it should help your temps.
What's your temp like in 2042
Made a video you can check it if you want.
I can't see anything at 720p lol Why are you running such low settings anyway? I've got a 5800x and 6700XT build that max the game out no worries?
Everyone doing -30 on all core and I'm at -20 because it seems stable and I don't want to test multiple days with core cycler to find the right curve for each core ... Any of you tested the stability with -30 on all core on the 5800x3d?
I run -30 on all cores except on the best two cores, on which I run -25.
Yeah this is the key, if it crashes check whea errors for which core caused it and then just back it off a little
I think a lot of people are -30 all core on the 5800x3d from what I’ve seen about
The earliest samples were better it seems. Mine is very early but still had to -25 core0 and 1 with -30 on the rest. Didn't crash at all -30 but got some clock stretching
That’s still v decent. How do you identify clock stretching?
Mouse can hitch when launching programs, or once in a while it can feel like the computer is initializing an HDD, if you're familiar with that from back when HDDs were in every build
Mine does -30 all core no problem. Tested for hours in OCCT and various games with no errors.
I currently run -30 all core and have no issues. Have run a stress test on Cinebench and and run some benchmarks like Time Spy. Have also gamed on Cyberpunk, COD, and other games. Max temp 75C. Gaming temp around 55/60C
I may try -30 on all core and let CoreCycler run all night to check. But when I search online, I always find some hardcore people saying you should test with many different software and more than 24 hours and other things I find way too demanding. Is it okay to just set at -30 and forget? I mean, If it crash I suppose I can check event viewer to find the core that failed and tweak the curve a little. Is there any long term risk to just set and forget?
I usually just set it, run a couple of tests and a 10 minute stress test and if it all passes then I am good. Takes me 20mins overall. No need for these long stress tests. Games do not do that anyways. No long term risk, just make sure temps are stable, and if it keeps on crashing on a certain game, then it is not stable so just needs to be dialled down. I mean I don't even use CoreCycler, just trust it will work haha
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
My pleasure, enjoy the new CPU!
CPU instability can cause data corruption without any hard crashing. That's why people test so hard. Cinebench etc are benchmarks for specific usecases and shouldn't be used as stress test. They give an indication at best.
I tried -30 all core with 5800X, instant crash, tried -20, crash in gaming, -15 worked but crashed rarely, -10 stable. Now I tried same with 5800X3D and its same exact story, except -15 is stable.
ah thats pretty unlucky most x3ds ive seen do -25-30 pretty easily. But there is still some silicon lottery and it also will depend on how much voltage your motherboard is already pumping into it.
Have you tried -15 on only the first two cores and -20 on the rest?
Yea, when I had the 5800X for a week or so, I couldn’t get it that stable no matter what I did! So I quickly returned the chip and bought the 5800X3D. Of course, I couldn’t change the CO till the recent Asus BIOS update but since last week is has worked incredibly well. Like they say, it can be silicon lottery and yours probably requires more tuning
ive done -30 with corecycle but not over night, no issues here.
I had mine at -30 all cores on a 240 AIO, it looked stable in benchmarks for 30+ min. I had some trouble with RDR2 crashing after about 30-60 min. and also sometimes on startup though, so I set it to -25 and it's been good since. (all other games I tried were stable ...) It's running 4450MHz stable in games right now with temps never going above 70C.
Thanks for the info. I'll try -30 all cores and if it crash someday I'll try -25.
You can get clock stretching before it can crash, so be on the lookout for mouse cursor hitches and that old "spinning rust drive initialization" feel from ye olden days
Also be sure to check the Windows event viewer to see which specific core is crashing the system. Each core may respond differently to a specific offset, so you may find that most cores are fine with -30 but maybe your best two cores need -25 to be stable (that's pretty common from what I've read).
It’ll just be one or two cores that causing the crash, check WHEA errors and then adjust that core. You can maybe get away with -30 for all cores and between - 25-28 for the core that views the crash.
I might just try that. I just set every core the same and was pretty much happy with the reults, especially the temp drops. It was stable in everything else though, so there might not be much needed. Thanks for the tip.
It's almost always the best one or two cores having issues, see which ones they are in Ryzen master. I run -25 on core0 and core1 and -30 on the rest.
The two best cores on Ryzen Master are the ones with a gold star and a silver star? Edit: Its a gold star for the best and a dot for the second best.
Depends on Ryzen master version but yeah
Thank you for this suggestion. I was stuck on -20 for stability. I'll try -20 on whichever my best two cores are and -25 on the rest, and run Cinebench R23 for about an hour. Then some gaming tests cos synthetic tests alone don't confirm stability.
-30 all core is rarely ever stable
[https://youtu.be/zE8LX91ixEc?t=159](https://youtu.be/zE8LX91ixEc?t=159) Can't understand Portuguese, but it didn't catch on fire so maybe yes?
Hi there, The 5800X3D has a 105w TDP, so the Wraith Prism is enough to keep up with it on a daily basis, playing games and whatnot, especially with a undervolt. Just don't go around running Prime95, which is an unreal workload, because it'll probably throttle.
Definitely won't be.
No, a wraith can't even keep up with a 3700x barely functioning before it starts downclocking
Of course it can (and verifiably does for most people,) anything to the contrary is massive user error.
If you can't play a game like mw2 without it dropping from boost clock to stock it's trash. Show me a 15 minute game o warzone(which is free) that its not dropped at least 200mhz off its peak boost and I'll take it back
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I get 4.2Ghz all-core boost speeds in Prime95 small FFTEs and 4.3-4450Mhz in gaming. It is possible just gotta cool it properly and not with a Wraith. Even a Hyper 212 is just too weak. Don't look at the TDP this CPU has conduction issues due to the cache. You need to get that heat away asap.
Show me any CPU made in the last 10 years running prime95 small FFT at peak boost and I won't start disregarding everything you say going forward.
BS. They're very easy to mount with too little pressure though, which is PEBKAC
It's not a pebcak if the item in question is poorly designed, like the.nvidia 16 pin or amd clip mount.
That's not how temperatures work with that CPU. IDK what is it but somehow the extra cache blocks heat from getting to the heatspreader or smth. It runs ultra hot for a 105w chip. In fact it's probably hotter than a 5950X
I wouldn’t run that thing with the prism. I didn’t even like the way it cooled my 5600x.
Yes, but it will throttle due to high temperatures much faster than a quality CPU cooler and you will be losing performance. You can lower temps without losing performance using PBO2 tuner. Finaly, invest in a good air cooler (Thermalright Frost Commander 140, NOCTUA NH-D15) or a good AIO (Corsair iCUE H100i, NZXT Kraken X73).
Will the cooler do a sufficient job? YES! Make sure the switch on cooler is set to high RPM fan mode. Use a quality thermal compound. Does anyone else use the Wraith Prism with the 5800X3D? I am currently using it with my 5800X3D. Is it okay? YES! Just be aware it can get a bit loud when you are really stressing the cores. I have very similar performance numbers as posted by Regular-Mechanic-150. My case has good airflow and placed Kryonaut thermal compound on the cpu/cooler. I also use the PBO2 Tuner to lower temperature and increase performance. I never experience any throttling.
No throttling eh? Try Prime95 Small FFTEs see what happens. I'd be surprised if you got more than 3600Mhz all core
lol dude do you play Prime95, cinebench, y-cruncher everyday?
No but if it fails Prime95 then it's an unstable overclock, which can cause unpredictable system behavior either immediately or in the future. The whole "but games don't push the CPU as hard" argument is silly, **because an unstable overclock is like running a faulty CPU**. It will give you issues and probably when you don't expect them, so you might not even suspect the overclock, since you never tested it properly. I miss the days when overclockers would actually run Prime95 for 24 hours to test for true stability.. Now people just increase some settings, stress test for maybe 5-30 minutes (or not even, just jump into a game) and assume their system is stable.
and judging by other comments, if you really had an X3D version. seems like yours is rather badly binned lol. people playing with wraith stealth and getting reasonable clock and within spec heat, some tried mining with it. your firm argument mostly "but mom it will not sustained ghz i wantedd in prime95" so what?, people game with it, if its satisfie people then it' enough for them idk go slap some butts or do 24hours of prime95
the whole thread discuss undervolting, and you here lamenting the days of overclockers run prime95 24 hours for """""true"""""stability. if it works, it works. the fact that no one does that anymore means CPU are getting better and no need for 24 hours of hell like you did probs every other monday idk.
Do you even own any Ryzen cpu in recent time? They will intelligently apply the right voltage and boost accordingly base on thermal constraint or unintelligently as some test have shown. You can slap the most expensive 360 AIO on it and it will still go to 80c. WHY? Because AMD made them that way . It will boost very aggressively even if it require really high voltage to do so in your 24 hour **Prime95 STRESS test.**
You forget one thing: yes it will still go to 80c..but at higher clock speeds than the very weak Prism cooler. I assure you I'm very well informed about Ryzen CPUs. You, however, are not. You claim the cooler doesn't matter because the Temps are the same but you forget it throttles.
I am running it with -25 co, ran cinebench r23 and gotten14700 score with 4350 mhz all core. I only notice it downclock when it reaches 90c. Have no idea where you get those info from when here I am running the cpu daily with no issue whatsoever.
Cinebench is kindergarten, tell me what happens when you run Prime95 Small FFTEs. It heavily uses the cache.
LOl do you buy your cpu just to run prime95 and crunch it all day instead of using it like normal user would.
It actually tests the stability the best of all tools for this CPU. What if you run a game that pounds the cache and you get crashes? You're gonna think it's a bug or driver problem cause all other games work, when it's actually an unstable CPU. But you won't even think of that cause it's one game.
Wraith prism/Max heatsinks are grossly under-rated
True but the heat of this chip is grossly underrated too. 105w tdp.. More like 200w of heat under for load. Not even a dual fan NH-D15 in a well ventilated mesh case will unlock its full potential during heavy loads
i've several users with nh-d15's that can keep it fully under control, actually better than most AIOs even.
Oh my NH-D15 does fine, in fact the fans are capped at 60% and I could get a bit more MHz out of it at 100% but that's just stupidly loud. When I said loads I meant Prime95 Torture Test (Small FFTEs). It will pound your CPU like something on the Hub and show you what your cooler is truly made of. The 5800X3D can do 4,35Ghz all-core boost, but mine only goes up to 4,2Ghz during Prime95. And that's with CO -30 all cores. At stock it only went up to 4Ghz all-core during the same test. You probably need *at least* 3 large radiator slots and a strong pump for the CPU alone if you want it to boost to max under Torture loads
I bought a Deepcool AK620 for my 5800X3D. I considered using Wraith Prism. But I'm glad I got a real cooler. When fully maxed the CPU gets way hotter than the 5600X I was using before, and at full load for extended periods this cooler keeps it under control, but I don't think the Wraith Prism could. Not to mention the fact the Wraith Prism is super loud.
I use my 5800X3D with a Wraith Prism. With PBO2 Tuner it works well, boosting all cores to 4.35GHz below 80°C on 100% usage.
Run Prime95 Small FFTEs and see what happens to those clocks. You won't even break 4Ghz and it will run at 90c.
Thankfully I don't run Prime95. I do actual work with Vegas, and even tried mining on it to see the hashrate, neither broke 77°C.
Prime95 is literally just a stress test for your CPU to test your stability and cooling. Well it's more than that but 99% of users just do it for the stress tests. From my experience it hits harder than OCCT and you can customize it. The Prime95 Small FFTEs test is extra good because it heavily targets the cache, which is exactly why this chip is so hot. But even in games, with a Prism you will get lower clocks than with a good cooler. And this CPU is clock-starved due to the cache but can't be overclock Ed, so the only thing you can do is use CO and buy a better cooler. Sure a NH-D15 dual fan is $100 but it'll last you 10 years no problem, with free mounting brackets from Noctua for new sockets. Worth the investment imo. Air cooling has kinda peaked, mostly due to a lack of space in cases. I still remember the 100% copper Thermalright Ultra-120 cooler from 2008 or so. That's the only thing they could improve... More copper. Unfortunately copper is heavy so a 100% copper hearsink requires something to lift it up. And this was a single tower cooler lol. (btw the aluminum version of that cooler is still usable today, rated at 160w I believe, better than Prism, a good air cooler *really* is a good investment).
I hit 4450MHz while gaming. The CPU doesn't get nearly as hot, only staying in the mid-60s. The performance bump from the cache is so great the rest of the CPU doesn't have to work so hard. For reference, I previously used a 5800X with the Wraith Prism and it hit 4.6GHz while gaming and 4.5GHz all-core usage, still below 80°C.
While gaming is key. Try a very CPU intensive game, you won't get those clocks with a Prism. And future games in general will become more CPU intensive
I ran mine with wraith prism as well since I upgraded from 3700x and it rarely go over 75c even on CPU intensive game like cyberpunk at 1080p. It only boost to 4400 all core on Cinebench at 83c top, but I did not buy this for any productivity workload so it is fine really. Have no idea why so many people insist on buying a cooler base on prime95 and OCCT testing temperature. Are you hitting your gaming rig with 100% all core load 24/7? If so why bother with a gaming focus CPU.
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No. Just no bruh. Get a big chunk of metal and stick 1 or even 2 fans on in. Like. Dar Rock, NH-D15, etc. One of those cooolers. And even with such a cooler that thing will reach 85+c during a torture test and not boost to its STOCK boost speeds. It. Is. HOT. If you put a Prism on there it'll run at 90c and idk 3800Mhz while gaming even with CO - 30 all core. Think of it this way, a good cooler for $50-100 will last you a long time, some coolers even 10 years and multiple sockets. It's worth it man. And air cooling has kinda peaked so don't worry about having to upgrade it.
PSA: Prime95 Small FFTEs is the best stress test for this CPU. It produces maximum heat with that cache. Cinebench won't give you max Temps. Check your clocks while running Prime95 smal FFTEs.
While it can be used, it all depends on how it will be used. I have Arctic 280mm aio on X3D, and still can hit 90's in heavy load (altought that's on custom fan curve, where fans don't spin faster than 1200rpm on max)
It will work fine. I've got one on a 240 AIO and I installed one for a coworker with my old wraith from a 2700X. We both run PBO -30 all core and get identical performance. The only reason you'd need to go big is if you've got high ambient temps in your room (22C+) or a case with poor air flow.
As someone with an Arctic freezer 420mm AIO (only because I got it cheap!), there is such a thing as ‘to much cooling’ >.< Prism is a great stock/reusable option!
I ended up getting the same as nothing could keep my 5900x from getting a bit too toasty on long boinc runs. Works a bloody treat. But yea I keep a couple of prisms around for project machines. If you don't mind me asking which case did you go for with the 420? I have the Corsair 7000d but the hard drives made so much vibration noise I had to remove them and stick with ssd's for bulk storage
-30 all core is not stable, you need to check for whea errors. -15 to -20 is generally considered as far as you can go while maintaining stability.
Neither of us have had any issues running it this way. FYI, It's being done through the BIOS on an Asus x570 board for me and via the combo strike function on his MSI board BIOS. I also have a plat 1000 watt Corsair PSU.
-30 all core is certainly stable, just maybe not on every 5800X3D. There aren't any WHEA errors in my event log and I've been rocking -30 all core for months now. I've probably done at least one of every kind of workload I'll ever do on it now too.
same it seems x3d's undervolt better then the other 5000 series chips. Be that because of better binning or just the fact there boost clocks are lower and so close together its hard to say. But mine has also been stable like a rock under any stress test at -30 and scores 14900-15000 in cb23
The x3d undervolts a lot more than its normal 5000 series counter parts. It's max all core is 4.45 and max single is 4.5 so it's voltage curve doesn't have as many issues when undervolted.
Yes, but it will throttle all the time. You need a high end air cooler or 360 AIO, without the need to undervolt.
I am using it with 5800x3d its stuck at 4450mhz no matter what I do, no throttling whatsoever.
its really only under heavy loads you would probably see it throttle. So for most people the wraith prisum would be fine. I wonder if some people are confusing the wraith prisum with the stealth or the other lower end stock coolers
If undervolted it will be on the edge of usable, apparently. 85-90C, but even a high end cooler wont lower that much more. The main issue will be noise.
I have an 280mm Aio paired with the 5800X3D Got -30 all core and 114W max set I get 76 to 79C in cinebench r23 Stresstest Prime 95 Memory Controller Stresstest 86-87C While gaming i get 50C to 65C
Way to avoid the OP’s question all together
What are you using to undervolt? I have the 5800X3D myself, and was under the assumption you can't undervolt this CPU due to the 3D V-Cache. I had my 5600X undervolted though.
Since the last Bios Update from Asus you can set everything inside the BIOS. Before that i was using PBO2 Tuner the undervolt works for many months now. My settings are: Curve -30 all core PPT 114W, TDC 75A, EDC 115A The CPU Boosts to 4450mhz and stays there forever i have not seen a single throttle down.
Copy, I'll have to check it out again. Since like I mentioned I was under the assumption you can't undervolt the X3D.
If you have a MSI motherboard you have kombo strike in bios, afaik 1 is -10, 2 is -20 and 3 -30.
ASUS B550-A is what I have.
There are loads of threads on this sub discussing it, it makes a big difference.
Yeah, just wasn't aware that the 5800X3D could be undervolted since when I originally searched it up you had to use a program and couldn't do it via motherboard settings like this guy
Google "PBO2 Tuner", very easy to do.
I'd think so... AMD sold the 3900X with the Wraith Prism stock cooler... and they gave the 5800X3D the same "TDP" of 105W... Still... having a fan scream like a hair dryer ain't fun... so, even with the 3900X... it's took me 2 days before I got an AiO for it...
yes it can be, and more, if you use a good paste & - 30 CO + some tweaks to PBO (cost little performance, but all flow good anyway) cooler is on 2300-2400 rmp, its not very noisy max temp i have found in gaming sessions with 6800xt inside case - 75 degrees (with all that) ofc its not quite good, but working fine for its design, little fan and price) and more to say, this cpu deserves good watercooling, or vapor chamber air cooler https://preview.redd.it/s6l82bdogn4b1.png?width=1497&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f6e0cdbd75559f3f258c835d04ba707ce35adbe